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Someone root and unlock dis bish

Save me from having to get the Nexus 6 monstrosity.

LifeAsADroid said:
Save me from having to get the Nexus 6 monstrosity.
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this only factor its keeping me from over hype myself to this phone, if someone roots and unlocks bootloader this beast. will be the android phone of the year on size specs and battery.

That's where I am. N6 is too big. I have a Moto X and Nexus 7 (both 2013), and the N6 is just too big, based on the PhoneArena size comparisons. I need root, so the N6 has a slight advantage right now.
I love the idea of a Nexus phone, but the Turbo has most of the features I would want, like Moto Apps (same/similar to Moto X), wireless charging, amazing battery, and it's not so big. I know the N6 will be easy to root/unlock, but I don't if that is enough to outweigh the size.
Price is still an unknown on the Turbo, too. I have to think it's less than the $649 of the N6.
Semi-related.. Another thing I was thinking about the other day.. the Turbo has capacative buttons, with no menu button. My Moto X has on-screen buttons and does show the three dots from time to time that works as a menu button on the right side of the nav bar. How would the Turbo handle such a situation? Would the developer be forced to make a menu button somewhere in their app?

Don't forget about the note 4
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I'm confident we'll get root. Almost every phone out there has gotten root, most without much delay.
Time will tell though

This might be the first phone I might not care about root. I don't use hotspots. Its 90% pure Android with actually useful extra features. With 3 gigs of ram and that battery, do I really care about bloat apps? I think maybe unicon and xposed might be my only reasons. And there not just haves. Of course I want root. Its my phone. But it won't be a deal breaker for me.

I've been spoiled by Xposed, and do use hotspot for my N7. I also use some Tasker profiles that need root, so it's kind of a must for me. I agree with @rajuabju, at the rate things have been going, it won't be more than a few months. Who knows, maybe this latest Moto exploit will work. Or maybe the middleman will have codes for the Turbo. We'll know in a few weeks, I guess.

fury683 said:
I've been spoiled by Xposed, and do use hotspot for my N7. I also use some Tasker profiles that need root, so it's kind of a must for me. I agree with @rajuabju, at the rate things have been going, it won't be more than a few months. Who knows, maybe this latest Moto exploit will work. Or maybe the middleman will have codes for the Turbo. We'll know in a few weeks, I guess.
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Lol, exactly why I won't get a phone without root. Xposed and the hacked hotspot app for VZW. Also why I would like it "permanently" unlocked (like the RAZR HD was - a blown fuse that can't be fixed or "patched" once destroyed), easier to flash SuperSU.zip onto the phone after every update without worrying about "is it safe to take the update or not? Will I lose root?"

How much success has there been unlocking bootloaders on these Verizon Motorola devices in the past year or two?

grin0048 said:
How much success has there been unlocking bootloaders on these Verizon Motorola devices in the past year or two?
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My Verizon Moto Maker Moto X is unlocked. The Chinese middleman was unlocking Moto X and another Moto phone.. Maxx or Ultra, maybe?
And SunShine seemed to work on most Droids.
Unless you were being sarcastic, in which case, you got me.

fury683 said:
My Verizon Moto Maker Moto X is unlocked. The Chinese middleman was unlocking Moto X and another Moto phone.. Maxx or Ultra, maybe?
And SunShine seemed to work on most Droids.
Unless you were being sarcastic, in which case, you got me.
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No, wasn't trying to be sarcastic at all. I've been rolling with my S3 for the past 2.5 years and haven't been paying very much attention outside of that. I was somewhat aware that it was possible to pay some...one...thing...idk to get some of these Motorola devices unlocked--what a strange situation that is.

grin0048 said:
How much success has there been unlocking bootloaders on these Verizon Motorola devices in the past year or two?
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I would say there are probably equal odds that SunShine works for Turbo, or that Moto patched it. But given the propensity to root/unlock devices, it will happen rather quickly.

Sunshine won't work for the Droid Turbo, yet.
It only works for 4.4.3 and below, the Turbo will undoubtedly be released on 4.4.4 or 5.0, but that doesn't mean it won't eventually work. It's the only hope though.

I've been out of the CDMA loop for years and years and years now. Don't these phones use SIMs now? Is it just a matter of software unlocking GSM frequencies or is it still completely different hardware?
I was a phablet user for 2 years but went back to a N5 and am actually liking the smaller form factor, and would get this over the N6. A stock 5.0 port making this GPe would sure be sweet.
This phone looks geeat, but I'm on TMo.

Poi25 said:
I've been out of the CDMA loop for years and years and years now. Don't these phones use SIMs now? Is it just a matter of software unlocking GSM frequencies or is it still completely different hardware?
I was a phablet user for 2 years but went back to a N5 and am actually liking the smaller form factor, and would get this over the N6. A stock 5.0 port making this GPe would sure be sweet.
This phone looks geeat, but I'm on TMo.
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The SIM is for LTE only, I believe. The rest is done over CDMA. I believe the N6 has a US edition and a world edition, so the US edition will work with all major carriers on all bands and won't really be "different". The Droid line is Verizon exclusive, so it will be locked to CDMA and Verizon's LTE bands.

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No, wasn't trying to be sarcastic at all. I've been rolling with my S3 for the past 2.5 years and haven't been paying very much attention outside of that. I was somewhat aware that it was possible to pay some...one...thing...idk to get some of these Motorola devices unlocked--what a strange situation that is.
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you could pay a middle man to send you an unlock code but you needed to pass along your IMEI number to get it...now, sunshine seems to unlock just about all of the Moto phones from 2013 afaik...
i HIGHLY doubt sunshine will work out of the box on a Turbo..but heres to hoping...

Metfanant said:
you could pay a middle man to send you an unlock code but you needed to pass along your IMEI number to get it...now, sunshine seems to unlock just about all of the Moto phones from 2013 afaik...
i HIGHLY doubt sunshine will work out of the box on a Turbo..but heres to hoping...
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I used the MiddleMan for my Moto G while I was on a prepaid Verizon plan. $45 well spent.
I was VERY lucky to have gotten my Verizon HTC One M7's bootloader unlocked the first day it came out Verizon blundered and didn't turn off that capability through HTC right away.

Will this beast be available worldwide or only in the US ?
PLEASE say worldwide.

roddem said:
Will this beast be available worldwide or only in the US ?
PLEASE say worldwide.
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PLEASE don't troll threads with your stupid questions that have nothing to do with the topic.

Metfanant said:
you could pay a middle man to send you an unlock code but you needed to pass along your IMEI number to get it...now, sunshine seems to unlock just about all of the Moto phones from 2013 afaik...
i HIGHLY doubt sunshine will work out of the box on a Turbo..but heres to hoping...
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If you're going to comment on a dev forum, at least understand the terminology before you use it... otherwise it makes you seem ignorant. "UNLOCKED" and "UNLOCKING THE BOOTLOADER" are two very different things that have ZERO to do with one another.
All LTE CDMA phones for the past 2 years that use a SIM are "unlocked", as this refers to the carrier lock that is placed on the device when it is sold in bulk to network providers (which is why you have three network settings in your phones setting menu - LTE, GSM, and Global). Don't use terminology you don't understand, as you're adding to the ignorance too many seem to have about what unlocking is and what unlocking a bootloader is. It makes it only that much harder for other individuals to get the correct information, and is the reason why a VZW rep tried to tell me I don't need a developer edition to unlock my phone, because all LTE devices are unlocked when I tried to explain I was looking for a developer edition so I could unlock the bootloader.
Very few Verizon phones have the capability to unlock the phone's bootloader, which allows for rooting without an exploit and the ability to flash custom ROMs (firmware), such as Cyanagenmod. Those of you believing root will appear on any new Motorola phones are not well versed in Motorola phones sold by Verizon. Dan Rosenberg, who is the person anyone with a Motorola device on Verizon has to to thank for the last half decade of being able to root your Motorola VZW phones, has repeatedly posted on numerous threads for over a year to not expect for your Motorola devices to be rooted and if you want root, either buy a Nexus or buy a Developer Edition (if VZW is going to release any more editions after the S5 is not known and information about Developer Editions for the Note 4 Droid Turbo have been repeatedly ignored by VZW's Public Affairs office). This is due to the fact VZW has wizened up and made finding an exploit on anything past 4.4.4 nigh impossible. Exploits that allow root access are not easy to find (taking several months for most VZW Moto root exploits) and as soon as one is found, within a matter of weeks, if not days, VZW will push an automatic update, forcing your phone to update to patch the exploit. This is why when you root your phone you're told to disable OTA updates at the apk level by freezing the update apk or removing it all together after making a backup of it.
Many Motorola users got a surprise in late Spring when a Moto employee "accidentally" included the exploited code that allowed you to blow the fuse and unlock the bootloader of devices running 4.4.2. That was a once in a billion opportunity that will probably never happen again. Every time an exploit has been found that allowed root access or the ability to unlock the bootloader (which was only recently cracked in the past year, possibly two... to put that in perspective, it took over half a decade for Dan Rosenberg to find the exploit that allowed the internal fuse to be blown, unlocking the bootloader). Exploits are not easy things to find, especially in Motorola devices running on VZW's network.
To all of those that like to post root bounties... BUY A DEVELOPER EDITION. You'll pay $300 for a device and then offer $300+ for a root bounty... which is the cost of developer edition device... considering VZW offers Edge, you no longer have to pay full retail in one go for a DE. From this point forward, VZW customers need to comprehend the fact that rooting will continue to be increasingly difficult to perform, most especially on Moto phones running on VZW's network. If you want root access, buy the S5 developer edition or wait until the first week of december to see if a developer edition for the Note 4 will be released (if a Note 4 DE is going to be released, it will occur within the 4 - 6 weeks following it's RTM on 10/23 [Thursday]).

*Dead end conversation with AT&T about unlocking bootloader. Thought I'd share.

AT&T: Hello! How may I help you today?
Chris: Hello thank you for chatting in how can I help?
Tim: hello I have a question about my phone
Tim: Verizon recently allowed it's customers to unlock their bootloaders via the motoroloa site. When will this happen for at&t
models of this phone? (moto x 2014)
Chris: Let me look into this Tim.
Tim: Verizon did it because you all we'rent pushing the marshmellow update
Tim: I would really like to install a custom rom and have complete control over my device.
Chris: We are currently prepping for sending out the Marshmallow update to our Android customers. For unlocking the bootloaders I believe that is done through Motorola in general, we just unlock devices through the network.
Chris: I cannot assist with setting up a custom OS/Rom on the device, for liability reasons, this would have to be done from your end, I apologize.
Tim: it was announced that this device would not get the update
Tim: will at&t allow motorola customers to unlock their bootloaders?
Tim: on this model
Chris: Unlocking bootloaders is handled on Motorolas end, we do not have access to that information on our end, I apologize.
Tim: but you could look into if this specific model has any unlocking info to be sent to motorola
Tim: right?
Chris: The only unlocking information I am aware of is unlocking the device for use with other networks/international use
Tim: Motorola is telling me that it is at&t that will not allow the unlocking
Tim: No no, unlocking bootloader. at&t specifically told motorola to not let customers unlock bootloader on this phone. Verizon just gave in, and I was curious if I can get any info
Chris: Not that I am aware of. I apologize for this inconvenience Tim. I was told by my supervisor this is only handled from Motorolas end, if applicable
Tim: that is unfortunate.
Chris: From what I read into the Moto X 2014 model may get the marshmallow update, from what I read it's still up in the air.
Tim: can you link me to where you read this?
Chris: I don't have the ability to send that article to you - this is on our database.
Tim: I've read many articles about how the moto x 2014 would not get it on either verizon or att.
Tim: strange that your database would say that
Chris: It's not finalized. At any rate I think Android would know whether or not the moto x 2014 model will get it and which carriers would have it.
Tim: ok, thank you

He doesn't seem very knowledgeable about the situation.

Seem like you was talking to a brick wall

seems like part bot, part trainee.
We all need to message ATT on Social Media to get a proper response.
Sent a Tweet @att & @attCares regarding this very subject.

Do it guys. Lets show them the potential of power users who want their bootloaders unlocked.

well i just asked twiter: @att @lenovo @motorola now that the @verizon moto x 2014 has an official unlock for the bootloader when will the att version?

Doing this right now. I've only messaged them on fb but these are all good ideas.
Thanks brother!
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Great man. Still hoping att will release Marshmallow for the X (the last true Moto/ not Lenovo).

I've had conversation with AT&T and Motorola. Both are pointing at each other for unlocking. Not sure where should I bang my head.

"At any rate I think Android would know whether or not the moto x 2014 model will get it and which carriers would have it." Proves they don't know much lol. How could Android know if a phone will be updated? Lmao.

chris23445 said:
"At any rate I think Android would know whether or not the moto x 2014 model will get it and which carriers would have it." Proves they don't know much lol. How could Android know if a phone will be updated? Lmao.
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That's when I realized this person knew nothing and ended the conversation. Idiots.
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timmypbass said:
That's when I realized this person knew nothing and ended the conversation. Idiots.
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I just received amazon order of moto X Pure 2014, same condition as mine except the AT&T logo. Swap and return might be a faster way? Lol.

wangminh12 said:
I just received amazon order of moto X Pure 2014, same condition as mine except the AT&T logo. Swap and return might be a faster way? Lol.
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Surely, you are joking.
For one thing, the IMEI on the device won't match one on the box, which a good seller (if it wasn't Amazon directly) would have denoted, prior to shipping it out.

dirtykimchi said:
Surely, you are joking.
For one thing, the IMEI on the device won't match one on the box, which a good seller (if it wasn't Amazon directly) would have denoted, prior to shipping it out.
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Lol.I bought directly from Amazon Warehouse deal- used. Haven't noticed a different between Marsmallow and Lollipops even battery life.
For $160 used- like new still in warranty, it is a nice thing too keep as a backup. Probably among the last devices with Motorola's badge on it ( Lenovo about to kill the brand tho).
Nexus 6 is pretty cool but it's size really bothers me.
ATT truely suck, will never buy any phone with att on it.

It would make sense if they benefitted some how from our inability to unlock but they don't. What the he11 is the issue here.?
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timmypbass said:
It would make sense if they benefitted some how from our inability to unlock but they don't. What the he11 is the issue here.?
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For a crazy privacy reason I'm sure +
For each update rolling out, phone maker has to pay a certain amount $$$ to Carrier and in this case Motorola ain't paying--> bang the X.:angel:

wangminh12 said:
For a crazy privacy reason I'm sure +
For each update rolling out, phone maker has to pay a certain amount $$$ to Carrier and in this case Motorola ain't paying--> bang the X.:angel:
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The Device is End of Life already for AT&T. These devices are not under warranty anymore. All 2 year subsidies should complete later this year on these devices as well. AT&T is grasping at straws at this point; looking for reasons to deny all owners of a bootloader unlock.

dirtykimchi said:
The Device is End of Life already for AT&T. These devices are not under warranty anymore. All 2 year subsidies should complete later this year on these devices as well. AT&T is grasping at straws at this point; looking for reasons to deny all owners of a bootloader unlock.
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ATT: want security ,buy new phone
Att and moto did the same thing with the moto X 1st gen.
BTW, moto X 2014 is barely 1 year old flagship ( even younger than Galaxy S5 and LG G3)...6months ago, people paid 499 for the X and Motorola is still selling it now.
I read somewhere that Netherland's consumers filling lawsuit against SamSung for not updating that Galaxy S2/3??? Lol. I hope same thing happens to Att and MotoLenovo.

wangminh12 said:
ATT: want security ,buy new phone
Att and moto did the same thing with the moto X 1st gen.
BTW, moto X 2014 is barely 1 year old flagship ( even younger than Galaxy S5 and LG G3)...6months ago, people paid 499 for the X and Motorola is still selling it now.
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FYI, The Moto X 2014 was released in September 26, 2014 as per this press release; it's more than One Year Old. The Moto X 2015 (Style & Play) was announced in July 2015 & released between August and September 2015, replacing the 2nd generation Moto X.
End of Life @ AT&T has nothing to do with Motorola's continued sale of the device.
I read somewhere that Netherland's consumers filling lawsuit against SamSung for not updating that Galaxy S2/3??? Lol. I hope same thing happens to Att and MotoLenovo.
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Yes, there is a lawsuit in the works in the Netherlands pertaining to recent Samsung devices only, not devices as old as the S2/3.

Had a conversation with AT&T after ATTCares directed their DMs on twitter there:
AT&T: Hello! How may I help you today?
Brett: Hello! My name is Brett. I hope you are having a great day! How may I help you today?
Me: Been instructed to chat with one of y'all via the @ATTCares twitter account.
Brett: Sounds good to me How can I assist you?
Me: Have a Moto X2/ X 2014/X 2nd Gen, which is SIM Unlocked & already out of warranty that was recently bought second hand. Require the bootloader to be unlocked. Motorola's site states that the carrier is restricting the unlocking via their site, so is there a form or some kind of consent that AT&T can forward to Motorola to bypass this restriction?
Brett: Right! So AT&T's phones are locked at the time of purchase. but you can process an unlock on att.com/deviceunlock which will process the device itself to be unlocked from the carrier and usable with other carrier's SIM cards
Me: As stated, the device is already SIM unlocked. Bootloader is completely different.
Brett: Gotcha! Give me just a moment to check into that process for you
Me: Sure.
Brett: Alright so AT&T does not actually support unlocking the Bootloader. You can factory reset the device to load the default software.
Me: That doesn't help me at all. This device is owned outright (no subsidy remains on it), and as its owner, there should be no restrictions on the device as the obligation to the provider has lapsed.
Brett: I can definitely understand that, however AT&T does not support those therefore we would not be able to unlock that for you
Me: The device is out of warranty as well, so there is no chance of any warranty service at this point on it.
Me: Is there a link/page on your site that specifically states what you are stating here?
Me: Would like concrete clarification, moving forward.
Brett: Currently I am not showing any specific Esupport articles on the Bootloader and I do understand that I am checking to find the proper article to help you with this matter
Brett: https://www.att.com/global-search/s...st=FALSE&tabPressed=FALSE&q=bootloader#!/All/ There is Multiple Forums on the subject however and our policy and procedures to prevent us from doing that process for you.
Me: As a app developer, this is quite restrictive. As the device is owned outright & out of warranty, it is not consumer-centric to restrict what can and cannot be done to the handset. Especially since there is no expectation of Marshmallow on this particular handset. Despite its young age, AT&T doesn't seem to be allowing it to get the OS upgrade.
Me: Sending a search for the Bootloader is not providing a clear Company Issued Statement on this matter.
Brett: I do apologize for that, Software updates are sent to the provider and then the provider send those out to the devices capable for them.
Me: Had already did the appropriate searches on AT&T's site for this info.
Me: All global versions of the Moto X 2014 have received or are receiving Marshmallow, other than AT&T and Verizon variants. Verizon has made the concession and allowed users to unlock their bootloader, but AT&T remains the restrictive provider here.
Brett: Using that search, there is not any article pertaining to that subject.
Me: Guess, getting a Consumers' Rights Association involved in possible legal action is the next logical step for any user that has a fully owned device that is out of warranty.
Brett: While there are no legal repercussions for customers who choose to root their devices, AT&T does not support rooting devices, nor do our partner OEMs. In addition, rooting a device is a violation AT&T's wireless terms of service.
Me: Rooting has nothing to do with unlocking the bootloader.
Me: AT&T hasn't made a clear statement pertaining to OS upgrades for this device. It is globally upgraded thus far as well as domestically (the Pure Edition is already on Marshamallow), so what is the holdup via AT&T?
Brett: The Bootloader is there to keep the device from using unrecognized versions of Android that have not been approved from the carrier.
Brett: As for what is currently preventing that measure, I would not know if there is any plans for that device currently
Me: Where is the Company Statement to this?
Brett: The source of my information on this matter is from the Internal policies and procedures.
Me: Alright, thank you for walking the company line. Guess developers are not welcome on AT&T. Duly Noted.
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How to find Moto G4 Play with unlockable bootloader

I've been doing research for the past two days looking for an inexpensive device that will still give me complete control to mod and customize. Naturally, I was drawn to the moto lineup, and particularly the G4 Play because it's old enough to find good deals, and the form factor I actually appreciate.
Scrolling through eBay listings of Moto G4 Play's for sale I'm frustrated though because there doesn't seem to be any way to discern between locked and unlocked bootloader devices.
As I understand it:
Carrier Unlocked Moto Store Purchases - Always bootloader unlockable.
Carrier Unlocked Best Buy Store Purchases - Always bootloader unlockable.
Carrier Unlocked Amazon Purchases - Very Questionable if bootloader unlockable.
Verizon Carrier locked - Almost always bootloader locked.
ATT Carrier locked - Almost always bootloader locked.
Please correct me if I'm wrong about some of the items in my breakdown, I'll admit some of these may be inaccurate.
My biggest problem, however, is that the variant for USA Moto G4 (XT1607) seems to be the same across all these making it impossible to know what phones are locked, and which come with amazon prime ads.
If I could ask advice from the members of xda, what are some tips or rules for finding used bootloader unlockable devices? Or is it truly cellular roulette?

ch3ddar said:
I've been doing research for the past two days looking for an inexpensive device that will still give me complete control to mod and customize. Naturally, I was drawn to the moto lineup, and particularly the G4 Play because it's old enough to find good deals, and the form factor I actually appreciate.
Scrolling through eBay listings of Moto G4 Play's for sale I'm frustrated though because there doesn't seem to be any way to discern between locked and unlocked bootloader devices.
As I understand it:
Carrier Unlocked Moto Store Purchases - Always bootloader unlockable.
Carrier Unlocked Best Buy Store Purchases - Always bootloader unlockable.
Carrier Unlocked Amazon Purchases - Very Questionable if bootloader unlockable.
Verizon Carrier locked - Almost always bootloader locked.
ATT Carrier locked - Almost always bootloader locked.
Please correct me if I'm wrong about some of the items in my breakdown, I'll admit some of these may be inaccurate.
My biggest problem, however, is that the variant for USA Moto G4 (XT1607) seems to be the same across all these making it impossible to know what phones are locked, and which come with amazon prime ads.
If I could ask advice from the members of xda, what are some tips or rules for finding used bootloader unlockable devices? Or is it truly cellular roulette?
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Almost all carrier agnostic XT1607 variants are bootloader unlockable. The only notable exception are those sold through Amazon at a discount.

B&H Pixel 4 unlocked bootloader?

It says unlocked for CARRIER, but you think it will be unlockable bootloader too, like the one from Google?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1507485-REG/google_ga01184_us_pixel_4_xl_128gb.html
Comes with $100 gift card + 3 months free Mint + no tax in many states, so there is some reason to get it from here instead. Anyone have experience buying carrier-unlocked Pixels from B&H before, if they had unlockable bootloaders?

itiskonrad said:
It says unlocked for CARRIER, but you think it will be unlockable bootloader too, like the one from Google?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1507485-REG/google_ga01184_us_pixel_4_xl_128gb.html
Comes with $100 gift card + 3 months free Mint + no tax in many states, so there is some reason to get it from here instead. Anyone have experience buying carrier-unlocked Pixels from B&H before, if they had unlockable bootloaders?
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As I know all devices should be bootloader unlocked, so you can choose any device, it just doesn't matter, so go for you choice.

riyan65 said:
As I know all devices should be bootloader unlocked, so you can choose any device, it just doesn't matter, so go for you choice.
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That wasn't the case with the Pixel 3 at launch, though. Back then, to get unlockable bootloader, you had to order from Google directly. Is it different now?

itiskonrad said:
That wasn't the case with the Pixel 3 at launch, though. Back then, to get unlockable bootloader, you had to order from Google directly. Is it different now?
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After the release of pixel 3a it should be unlockable to all devices, like verizon, best-buy,......, So it should be unlockable.

riyan65 said:
As I know all devices should be bootloader unlocked, so you can choose any device, it just doesn't matter, so go for you choice.
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riyan65 said:
After the release of pixel 3a it should be unlockable to all devices, like verizon, best-buy,......, So it should be unlockable.
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The OP is asking about bootloader unlock (developer and root friendly). Everything you've said screams carrier unlock.
The bootloader is the low level piece of software on your device that loads the OS (Android) and everything else. It comes locked on every device for security and prevents unauthorized OS code from loading. This is completely separate from being carrier unlocked which allows you to use the device on any cellular carrier. Being able to unlock it and load any OS code has meant purchasing the device directly from Google in the past. Verizon devices for example never allowed the bootloader to be unlocked.
For the OP, since very few people understand the difference between those two things (even Google support), it will likely be a case where people will need to buy the device from B&H to find out.

l7777 said:
The OP is asking about bootloader unlock (developer and root friendly). Everything you've said screams carrier unlock.
The bootloader is the low level piece of software on your device that loads the OS (Android) and everything else. It comes locked on every device for security and prevents unauthorized OS code from loading. This is completely separate from being carrier unlocked which allows you to use the device on any cellular carrier. Being able to unlock it and load any OS code has meant purchasing the device directly from Google in the past. Verizon devices for example never allowed the bootloader to be unlocked.
For the OP, since very few people understand the difference between those two things (even Google support), it will likely be a case where people will need to buy the device from B&H to find out.
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If you search a little bit, you will able to unlock bootloader in verizon model too, verizon bootloader unlock is available for all pixel device and it going to be continued, so buying the device from Google is bootloader unlock for sure, buying from others buyers is just need a little time to get unlock the bootloader.
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l7777 said:
The OP is asking about bootloader unlock (developer and root friendly). Everything you've said screams carrier unlock.
The bootloader is the low level piece of software on your device that loads the OS (Android) and everything else. It comes locked on every device for security and prevents unauthorized OS code from loading. This is completely separate from being carrier unlocked which allows you to use the device on any cellular carrier. Being able to unlock it and load any OS code has meant purchasing the device directly from Google in the past. Verizon devices for example never allowed the bootloader to be unlocked.
For the OP, since very few people understand the difference between those two things (even Google support), it will likely be a case where people will need to buy the device from B&H to find out.
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If you search a little bit, you will able to unlock bootloader in verizon model too, verizon bootloader unlock is available for all pixel device and it going to be continued, so buying the device from Google is bootloader unlock for sure, buying from others buyers is just need a little time to get unlock the bootloader.
And I also mean bootloader unlock not carrier unlock.

riyan65 said:
If you search a little bit, you will able to unlock bootloader in verizon model too, verizon bootloader unlock is available for all pixel device and it going to be continued, so buying the device from Google is bootloader unlock for sure, buying from others buyers is just need a little time to get unlock the bootloader.
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If you search a little bit, you will able to unlock bootloader in verizon model too, verizon bootloader unlock is available for all pixel device and it going to be continued, so buying the device from Google is bootloader unlock for sure, buying from others buyers is just need a little time to get unlock the bootloader.
And I also mean bootloader unlock not carrier unlock.
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Verizon Pixel 3 XL still has a locked bootloader and is still not unlockable:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-3-xl/how-to/bounty-unlock-bootloader-vzw-pixel-3-xl-t3856605

riyan65 said:
If you search a little bit, you will able to unlock bootloader in verizon model too, verizon bootloader unlock is available for all pixel device ...
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Since you're so sure this is true, please go help all of the Verizon device owners who post looking to unlock the bootloader. You could start with this recent Pixel 3XL post.
Of course, there is also the history that dates back to at least Nexus 6 days where the Verizon bootloader is locked.
Where people have really gotten bitten, is replacement devices that have come back after repairs with a unlockable bootloader like the Verizon devices have.

ktmom said:
Since you're so sure this is true, please go help all of the Verizon device owners who post looking to unlock the bootloader. You could start with this recent Pixel 3XL post.
Of course, there is also the history that dates back to at least Nexus 6 days where the Verizon bootloader is locked.
Where people have really gotten bitten, is replacement devices that have come back after repairs with a unlockable bootloader like the Verizon devices have.
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This. Verizon Pixel 2 official and any RMA Pixel 2 is not bootloader unlockable. As someone who has been through 4 until Google finally sent me a brand new Google-made Pixel 2, non Verizon, non RMA.
I haven't seen any reason to say Pixel 4 Verizon is easily unlockable.

riyan65 said:
If you search a little bit, you will able to unlock bootloader in verizon model too, verizon bootloader unlock is available for all pixel device and it going to be continued, so buying the device from Google is bootloader unlock for sure, buying from others buyers is just need a little time to get unlock the bootloader.
And I also mean bootloader unlock not carrier unlock.
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You have clearly never tried to bootloader unlock a Verizon device or you have some significantly different tools to do so and should share them with the community.
As others have pointed out, plenty of devices across the Pixel generations remain bootloader locked to this day. There are certainly smatterings of success stories with specific firmware versions but these are quickly patched.

There was recently some people that were able to unlock their Verizon Pixel 3a/XL modes after getting Verizon to carrier unlock them. But it has been attributed to a batch of MEID# that were likely incorrectly made available to bootloader unlock. Those people basically won the lottery. It certainly does not signal a change in Verizon's policy.
The best strategy is to have this mentality - if you buy a phone from Verizon (or any Verizon model phone) plan on it being permanently bootloader locked.

l7777 said:
You have clearly never tried to bootloader unlock a Verizon device or you have some significantly different tools to do so and should share them with the community.
As others have pointed out, plenty of devices across the Pixel generations remain bootloader locked to this day. There are certainly smatterings of success stories with specific firmware versions but these are quickly patched.
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I just unlock the bootloader as the given guide and it got unlocked, I didn't done anything to get it unlocked, I just use the guide how to unlock the bootloader and it got unlocked.so I thought it is available for all devices to unlock the bootloader.

riyan65 said:
I just unlock the bootloader as the given guide and it got unlocked, I didn't done anything to get it unlocked, I just use the guide how to unlock the bootloader and it got unlocked.so I thought it is available for all devices to unlock the bootloader.
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On non carrier specific devices, it's easy. On Verizon Google devices, it's rarely possible, and any vulnerability that's found is patched fast.
An authoritative statement like your post was is a problem. It has the potential to confuse the issue for people who come here for information, find an erroneous post and think they can safely buy a carrier device, still getting the bootloader unlocked.

Verizon was always a **** regarding unlocking bootloaders, they still haven't changed unfortunately.

thesebastian said:
Verizon was always a **** regarding unlocking bootloaders, they still haven't changed unfortunately.
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Yes. One does have to wonder what the bootloader unlock situation will look like now that the Pixel will be available from all carriers directly rather than just Verizon. Google still only lists Verizon as the only carrier specific option on their store. We will likely have to wait and see if the other carriers get unlockable bootloaders or not.

Motorola no longer allowing bootloader unlocking?

When I bought my Moto E4 I unlocked it through Motorola's website. I was happy with the phone and bought a second one as a backup but didn't unlock it at the time. Both phones were purchased brand new.
I've dropped the first phone which cracked the screen and now I'm trying to setup the second phone. But I've found that Motorola no longer allows this model to be unlocked with an error message on the website:
Your device does not qualify for bootloader unlocking.
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To verify whether or not the process had changed, I also tried the unlock data for the old phone which previously worked fine but it too now is reported as "not qualifying".
It seems as though Motorola has completely revoked any ability to unlock these phones despite them being fully paid for.
Is there any other way to unlock the bootloader this phone?
Both phones are USA Qualcomm model perry XT1766 which I have verified on the bootloader screen. There should be no issue unlocking these.

The phone I purchased was sold by Boost Mobile. I spoke with Motorola Level III technical support and was told that I can't unlock this phone because it is a carrier phone.
They have changed their policy. This phone was previously unlockable and either by the request of Boost or planned obsolescence by Motorola this phone's bootloader can no longer be unlocked.
I paid for this phone but Motorola has asserted that I don't own it. I can't unlock the phone anymore due to a change of policy. This is disgusting.