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I think my fire tablet just updated on its own despite having the adb hide stuff done

Ive just rebooted my fire tablet after installing some minecraft mods, when I turnt it back on it came up with a promt saying it was installing the latest software or what ever it does when doing the ota, I knew this from upgrading to 5.0.1.
is it possible it was just doing what happens when normal android optimises apps on boot. is there a app to check the installed software version as im not near my pc to unhide and go in and check what firmware im on. I put this in general as it wasnt a question but just to inform that my tablet possibly had a update despite the proper steps taken to hide the ota and updates.

Saw Same Message But No Update (whew)!
For a split second I saw that same message too when first starting the Fire up. But nothing happened and nothing updated. So I think it's still blocked. Even checking for updates still fails.
So I think we're OK!

dubliner52 said:
For a split second I saw that same message too when first starting the Fire up. But nothing happened and nothing updated. So I think it's still blocked. Even checking for updates still fails.
So I think we're OK!
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Have you tried unhiding to see the software version
Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk

I didn't unhide it, but it says I'm still on 5.0.1. There was no update.

I saw the same thing but it didn't seem to update. I know the method i provided works for 5.0.0 to 5.0.1. Until there is a bump to 5.0.2 or whatever we don't know for sure if the "fix" works under 5.0.1.

Same thing happened to me but it was 3 days ago. I had been trying all day to install my adb drivers without success and switched off the device. When I restarted it immediately went into an update and I went into a panic that the new update would block the ability to access google play but immediately after the assumed "update" I successfully installed the adb drivers and google play without problem. I also checked the version and it still showed 5.0.1 so I wondered if my initial update on switching on the fire for the 1st time had somehow been unsuccessful and that had been what had been causing the inability to load the adb drivers although the tablet hadn't seemed to have any other problems and I had already downloaded and used several apps from Amazon.

I let it update upon first booting my Fire to 5.0.1. I was still successful in installing Google Playstore and hiding ads on lockscreen.

I'm not sure but i think that 'installing the latest software' screen is the android OS updating the dalvik runtime files after rebooting when an apk is modified. nothing to do with an ota.

julianpaul said:
I'm not sure but i think that 'installing the latest software' screen is the android OS updating the dalvik files after rebooting when an apk is modified. nothing to do with an ota.
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That is my conclusion also.

I had this happen to me also. Considering amazon patched a root method I made sure to root and nuke any chance of a future OTA unless I wanted it too. That was a cheap move, Amazon.

Kindle fire HDX 8.9 (Saturn) got updated to 5.0.0 and then to 5.1.1 todayy

updated to fire os 5 and followed quickly to updating to 5.1.1.1 today
this is a saturn 8.9 hdx i tried the http://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/orig-development/root-t3272362
root method for 5.1.1.1 but this command
fastboot oem append-cmdline "androidboot.unlocked_kernel=true"
came as invalid command for me so the boot loaders are still configured differently for the new hd6 and the older hdx because we don't have this cmdline parameter

Hello,
was there a possibility to prevent updating to 5.1.1 after 5.0 was installed or was it 1 update process?
Did you have sideloaded Apps installed and have there been any problems during installation?
Are the settings still the same or was there any kind of reset?
How about the speed of the system so far compared to OS4?

massiveseige said:
updated to fire os 5 and followed quickly to updating to 5.1.1.1 today
this is a saturn 8.9 hdx i tried the http://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/orig-development/root-t3272362
root method for 5.1.1.1 but this command
fastboot oem append-cmdline "androidboot.unlocked_kernel=true"
came as invalid command for me so the boot loaders are still configured differently for the new hd6 and the older hdx because we don't have this cmdline parameter
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For others still waiting for an update: try to avoid the 5.0 -> 5.1 update as there *may* be additional flexibility to boot (not flash) a custom recovery from fastboot environment. This would offer the potential for custom roms on a 4th gen device. All TDB.

I haven't received the OTA so I checked the amazon website. It's not there either. Am I stuck waiting on the OTA?

Vc027708 said:
I haven't received the OTA so I checked the amazon website. It's not there either. Am I stuck waiting on the OTA?
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Has anyone else got the ota yet? this is the first guy I seen has got 5.0 as of yet.

Hey sorry for the late reply
It updated to 5.0.0 first it was possible to stop the update to 5.1.1 by keeping WiFi off but I din't bother
I installed gapps and they work fine on 5.1.1 play store works fine all google apps like mail and maps and hangouts work solid no glitches the new version is smooth and way better YouTube app can play 1440p videos also I had to do the adb permission command to get play store to work

The way the ota is being rolled out is weird I know people who haven't received it yet on there kindle and it's been over 2 weeks since I got my update

lol... WOT?
Fire OS OTAs are usually Canary Releases [0]... or Narrow-OTAs (aka NOTAs): Rolled out to a small percentage of the populace initially after which these devices are monitored for stability and user-feedback. If all looks right, the OTAs are gradually rolled out to everyone (aka WOTAs).
[0] http://martinfowler.com/bliki/CanaryRelease.html

Any body else received OS5 yet? I'm still on 4.5.5.1

I'm in the US, still no joy here!
Got it last night, updated, lost root in update but regained after with Kingroot no problem.

Been checking daily, just now got the update!
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Just checked as well, amazon has the 5.1.1 update posted now.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_left_v4_sib?ie=UTF8&nodeId=201596890

In the US also. OS 5.1.1 is posted on Amazon for update NOW. 2 choices, select the OTA method or the manual way. The OTA didn't work for me as it couldn't find any updates; did download the file & use USB to copy the file to the internal storage (not into a folder) of the Fire HDX 8.9 4th gen.

Guys,
Sorry for noob question, how to mount system.new.dat (from update-kindle-22.5.4.1_user_541113320.bin)?
mount -o loop=/dev/loop0 system.new.dat /mnt
EXT4-fs (loop0): bad geometry: block count 393216 exceeds size of device (311922 blocks)

@ApokrifX http://forum.xda-developers.com/and.../how-to-conver-lollipop-dat-files-to-t2978952
extracted /system here - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2twXJIOgv-UbjZMZzFoTUhidVU/view?usp=sharing

My 8.9 updated at last.

Installed 5.1.1 manually on HDX Saturn and Google play store afterwards. Much better experience than OS4. Cleaner look and settings and more mature.
The only loss I found so far that the ability for VPN networks has been completely removed. I do not understand why Amazon did this?

epionier said:
Installed 5.1.1 manually on HDX Saturn and Google play store afterwards. Much better experience than OS4. Cleaner look and settings and more mature.
The only loss I found so far that the ability for VPN networks has been completely removed. I do not understand why Amazon did this?
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What method did you use to obtain the play store?

This method:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/installing-google-framework-playstore-t3216122

epionier said:
This method:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/installing-google-framework-playstore-t3216122
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Thanks, had to run it twice as first time didn't take for some reason.

[PSA] FireOS 5.1.2.1 [5.1.2, Mar 30, 2016] is available, exercise caution !!!

Amazon has posted the 5.1.2.1 version on the website :
https://kindle-fire-updates.s3.amaz...Wt5/update-kindle-20.5.4.2_user_542169020.bin
Kingroot probably does not work ...
I'll take it for a spin, to make sure the update via TWRP works smoothly, and report back.
Exercise caution until we know if downgrading 5.1.2.1 to the earlier versions is safe or not. The 2015 Fire forums report that the downgrade works fine. But the 2014 Fire HDs is a different beast ...

The bad news, the great news
bibikalka said:
Amazon has posted the 5.1.2.1 version on the website :
https://kindle-fire-updates.s3.amaz...Wt5/update-kindle-20.5.4.2_user_542169020.bin
Kingroot probably does not work ...
I'll take it for a spin, to make sure the update via TWRP works smoothly, and report back.
Exercise caution until we know if downgrading 5.1.2.1 to the earlier versions is safe or not. The 2015 Fire forums report that the downgrade works fine. But the 2014 Fire HDs is a different beast ...
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5.1.2.1 definitely can't be rooted with Kingroot. Tried multiple times, using all suggestions I've read, like clearing recents, clearing data/cache, standing on head (FWIW, there's a weird message: "Research requests is not enough (1 ppls)" Wonder if ppls is people and if more tried Kingroot on HD 7s (and 2015s) running OS 5.1.2.1 the KR folks might try to get us root. IDK, the msg may mean something else entirely.) Anyway . . .
OS 5.1.2.1 downgrades to 5.1.2 just fine!!! In stock recovery I factory reset, adb-sideloaded 5.1.2, and cleared cache. It booted into 5.1.2 purring like a kitten. Rooted with Kingroot no problem!
I have a nice little Windows tool that installs kingroot and as soon as user tells it tablet is rooted (hits Enter), it blocks OTA installation, looks for downloaded updates (and finds them!) and lists them for user to delete. Very handy. I've used it after several downgrades and haven't been caught with my OTAs down yet. Upgrades don't install until device is idle, so just have to hit enter as soon as rooted and you're safe. Will post it tomorrow. Needs testing on other (non-Win7) systems.

DoLooper said:
OS 5.1.2.1 downgrades to 5.1.2 just fine!!! In stock recovery I factory reset, adb-sideloaded 5.1.2, and cleared cache. It booted into 5.1.2 purring like a kitten. Rooted with Kingroot no problem!
I have a nice little Windows tool that installs kingroot and as soon as user tells it tablet is rooted (hits Enter), it blocks OTA installation, looks for downloaded updates (and finds them!) and lists them for user to delete. Very handy. I've used it after several downgrades and haven't been caught with my OTAs down yet. Upgrades don't install until device is idle, so just have to hit enter as soon as rooted and you're safe. Will post it tomorrow. Needs testing on other (non-Win7) systems.
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OK, nice ! Thanks for testing!
Not sure why cannot you block OTA before Kingroot ? Why not do "pm disable com.amazon.otaverifier" right away with Network off , then turn Network on, and run Kingroot?

bibikalka said:
Not sure why cannot you block OTA before Kingroot ? Why not do "pm disable com.amazon.otaverifier" right away with Network off , then turn Network on, and run Kingroot?
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Since 5.1.1 neither hide nor disable work without root. Disable won't run and hide returns new state=true, but hasn't done anything. Check output of Debloater.
EDIT: Disable=permission denial. Looks like hide doesn't return anything.

DoLooper said:
Since 5.1.1 neither hide nor disable work without root. Disable won't run and hide returns new state=true, but hasn't done anything. Check output of Debloater.
EDIT: Disable=permission denial. Looks like hide doesn't return anything.
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This is weird. It's a major departure from the usual Android, where one can block programs via adb & PC.
Is it just OTA that cannot be blocked ? Or other stuff like lockscreen ads are also unblockable ? Was this discussed somewhere here ?
This seems to suggest then that going to 4.5.3 first is preferred, this way one can block OTA before Kingroot, and then upgrade to Lollipop via TWRP.

bibikalka said:
This is weird. It's a major departure from the usual Android, where one can block programs via adb & PC.
Is it just OTA that cannot be blocked ? Or other stuff like lockscreen ads are also unblockable ? Was this discussed somewhere here ?
This seems to suggest then that going to 4.5.3 first is preferred, this way one can block OTA before Kingroot, and then upgrade to Lollipop via TWRP.
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Discussion was mainly in 2015 forums, where people started getting updated. It's true of everything we block, although there were some reports of ads staying gone until a reboot. Not sure about that since (FWIW) if you pm hide anything, Debloater shows it as unblocked. When I first saw posts I assumed it would apply to Fire HD and tested. Just assumed it was known.
OTAverifier could be blocked on 4.5.3, so downgrading to that makes sense and is safest. I'm confident in my tool, though, although there's a risk of a update if an inattentive user walks away and leaves the system idle. I've got warnings in the script and as long as one is trying to root (or otherwise keeping the system busy), a download won't install--and the moment devicesoftwareota is renamed it CAN'T install. I've done this more than 10 times and found that I usually don't get a download, even when it takes many tries with a couple of reboots to root. Still, I once found an update in /sdcard/Android/data/com.amazon.device.software.ota/files and once found the prelimary file in /cache. Although they couldn't install after the rename block, this is why I put in the file check.

Finally tested the upgrade via TWRP, everything worked fine :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-hd/general/how-to-upgrade-to-lollipop-root-gapps-t3163950
This new version reports itself as 5.1.2 (Mar 30, 2016 build). Not sure what was fixed other than the bug that lets Kingroot in !
Paging DoLooper here, thanks again for the early testing!!!

Update or not

Bought a new Fire HD 10 today, it came with OS 5.4.
I was able to get SU and load Google Play.
I did then try to set a new Launcher, but have not yet succeeded.
Now my question:
Can I update the OS to 5.6.x?
Or would I loose a lot of the other items?
Any hints, what I missed on changing the launcher?

You can update, the version 5.6.0.1 is rootable, the version from today, perhabs tomorrow it will be changed

Interestingly enough, it wont update to 5.6.xxx
I even did a factory reset and it fails to update
then i downloaded the 5.6 bin from Amazon, dropped it on the tablet and it doesn't update...

timf79 said:
Interestingly enough, it wont update to 5.6.xxx
I even did a factory reset and it fails to update
then i downloaded the 5.6 bin from Amazon, dropped it on the tablet and it doesn't update...
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try with adb sideload

So I need help with my fire 10

So some backstory, I just tried installing xposed framework earlier in the day. Got an error about app_process64 or whatever so I looked it up and posts said to delete it so I tried. X-plore file app wouldn't delete it and I tried to download es file manager whatever but it wouldn't download from the play store. So I rebooted my fire and it's stuck on the fire logo now. Factory reset it but it not work. I've researched the crap out of this and from what I can see, since adb can't find my device my only option is the update from adb option from recovery mode since I did get that to see my fire.
So with all this buzz about how downgrading will brick my device I'm unsure what version to use. I don't know what version my fire is but it should be the latest I imagine since I just got the thing last week and it downloaded updates when I started it up the first time.
Any help would be much appreciated cause I'm all confused. I looked at https://forum.xda-developers.com/hd8-hd10/general/tut-fire-hd-10-7th-gen-2017-root-box-t3726443 and it lists firmware up to 5.6.3.0 but the update at the top says we're now on 5.6.3.4? So where do I find that at?
Update: K nevermind I got it. I took a chance and went to that page I listed and sideloaded the 5.6.3.0 suez file. Rebooted and fire booted up like new. Go me!