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Is HTC dead?

Idk if you guys have noticed but HTC is declining at an alarming rate http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/08/13/htc-cuts-15-of-its-workforce-as-it-battles-poor-sales/ and they're worthless http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/10/htc-is-now-essentially-worthless-and-insecure/#.lb8fpr:0sl9 . So do you guys think HTC is doomed or will they make a comeback?

Theandroidfan said:
Idk if you guys have noticed but HTC is declining at an alarming rate http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/08/13/htc-cuts-15-of-its-workforce-as-it-battles-poor-sales/ and they're worthless http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/10/htc-is-now-essentially-worthless-and-insecure/#.lb8fpr:0sl9 . So do you guys think HTC is doomed or will they make a comeback?
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LOL I read those same links and came up with a different conclusion than you..........................................
In the short term profits are non existent, but that does not mean they are down and out.
Look at most of the USA's motor manufacturers, they were in the same boat not to long back

It's funny you mention this. I was displaying something at work the other day to a coworker and a few of his friends. After the video was over, someone asked: "What phone is that?" I said "The HTC One M9". He responded with "HTC? Wow I haven't seen anyone with an HTC in a long time." The rest of the group nodded. That's when I realized that HTC is behind in the game, even if their Flagship product continues to out-pace the S6 and G4 in terms of battery life and build quality. When people think of buying a new phone the first thing that pops into their heads are either the iPhone or Samsung. Samsung is a massive company that has been saturating the market with advertisements for years. But even moving passed them, what are some other phone manufacturers that normal, non-tech savvy people would think of. LG is a familiar name. HTC? Not so much.
HTC needs to get its name out there. Its making quality devices and no one seems to care. The M9 wasn't a big departure from the M8 in terms of looks and when people buy phones they want to be noticed. A phone is every bit an upgrade to the person's communication capabilities as it is a social status. For the buyers that do research before purchasing a new device, they probably stumbled upon the slew of articles proclaiming the Snapdragon 810's heat problems. They also probably read about the lackluster camera. While the camera, after many updates, is quite good, it still doesn't have basic features like OIS. Unfortunately, we live in a society where the camera is the most important part of the phone; thanks to Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, Facebook, etc. People want a phone that they can just point and shoot in any condition and take a good photo. So when I read articles like the ones you posted above, I find myself not really that surprised. HTC has struggled to keep up with the likes of Samsung, LG and Motorola. Period.
As for me, the M9 is nice, but I absolutely cannot wait for the new Nexus 5 to come out this year. The development community here has some nice content but between Sense and the lack of sources coming from HTC, I find myself missing my old N5 more and more. This will be the last HTC device I'll ever own.

Alcolawl said:
The M9 wasn't a big departure from the M8 in terms of looks and when people buy phones they want to be noticed.
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Yeah because Apple totally redesign their phones every year and wouldn't possibly ship the same phone again with an S badge on it. People still queue for days down the street for it.

They're in trouble, yes. Even a killer M10 might not be enough because the market is just saturated and the margins on flagship phones are so thin. And they're going to have trouble rolling out a killer phone for the simple reason that nobody can afford to max out the specs anymore and still sell their phones at a profit. I mean, look what happened with the OP2. Even Samsung had to cut corners on the S6 (battery, sdcard slot).
Samsung is surviving on marketing and market share, but when the cheap smartphones from China start really flooding the market, things are going to change for everyone.

Despite the negation of some, HTC is at its darkest hour. If the hero product coming doesn't turns out to be a real hero, I'm afraid the M10 will be the last for them to succeed they need both to be successful, and considering the middle tier and phones like the Redmi Note 2 out there, it's gonna be really hard

In my humble opinion, HTC should try not to compete with Apple and Samsung, but move in a new direction. They should move to a more niche market, keeping the things they are good at and also creating a device that comes rooted, so people who like all the modding can have a device that would truly unique to them or bespoke.
Samsung and Apple are to big now for HTC to compete with, so heading in a completely different directions may save HTC, but the company would be a lot smaller than it is now.
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Alcolawl said:
It's funny you mention this. I was displaying something at work the other day to a coworker and a few of his friends. After the video was over, someone asked: "What phone is that?" I said "The HTC One M9". He responded with "HTC? Wow I haven't seen anyone with an HTC in a long time." The rest of the group nodded. That's when I realized that HTC is behind in the game, even if their Flagship product continues to out-pace the S6 and G4 in terms of battery life and build quality. When people think of buying a new phone the first thing that pops into their heads are either the iPhone or Samsung. Samsung is a massive company that has been saturating the market with advertisements for years. But even moving passed them, what are some other phone manufacturers that normal, non-tech savvy people would think of. LG is a familiar name. HTC? Not so much.
HTC needs to get its name out there. Its making quality devices and no one seems to care. The M9 wasn't a big departure from the M8 in terms of looks and when people buy phones they want to be noticed. A phone is every bit an upgrade to the person's communication capabilities as it is a social status. For the buyers that do research before purchasing a new device, they probably stumbled upon the slew of articles proclaiming the Snapdragon 810's heat problems. They also probably read about the lackluster camera. While the camera, after many updates, is quite good, it still doesn't have basic features like OIS. Unfortunately, we live in a society where the camera is the most important part of the phone; thanks to Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, Facebook, etc. People want a phone that they can just point and shoot in any condition and take a good photo. So when I read articles like the ones you posted above, I find myself not really that surprised. HTC has struggled to keep up with the likes of Samsung, LG and Motorola. Period.
As for me, the M9 is nice, but I absolutely cannot wait for the new Nexus 5 to come out this year. The development community here has some nice content but between Sense and the lack of sources coming from HTC, I find myself missing my old N5 more and more. This will be the last HTC device I'll ever own.
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Great post, I'm with ya... In my case, I miss my OnePlus One just like you miss your Nexus 5. I'm planning on getting one of the two new Nexus that are coming out in October as well, and the M9 is probably going to be my last HTC device as well.
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HTC for ever rip
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CaseyChaos666 said:
Yeah because Apple totally redesign their phones every year and wouldn't possibly ship the same phone again with an S badge on it. People still queue for days down the street for it.
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HTC is not apple. Apple can afford to do that, HTC can't.

I bought the M9 on a whim (and to see if HTC got its head straight after the Doubleshot debacle) and I'm impressed with this phone. Unfortunately it's too little too late.
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I have a lot of htc devices before i buy sgs3 and then sgs5. I go for sammy because there was too many hardware issues with htc phones. But touchwiz i the ugliest launcher. I just can'tuse it. So i install cm on my samsungs. But there was always something that doesnt work as it should. Now with m9 i am very happy again. I would definitely support this copamny in future. I don't know why people are expecting so different design. Not always different is good.
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I hope it doesn't lose ground. I know this isn't a popular device amongst the 2015 flagships. Definitely doesn't beat m8 in terms of popularity either. Their main focus is their next phone but hope htc continues to give us timely updates and support for this device. My only concern.
It's sad that my dad even knows this company is struggling and he doesn't know anything about smartphones.

I'm hoping HTC doesn't die either, pretty much the only phone on the market I like due to the sense overlay, don't like Samsung's touchwiz and as for the rest, LG, Sony etc, well you may as well just get a Nexus, and Sony are rubbish for updates in my experience, Cant stand I don't know phones.
M9 is currently available on Virgin Mobile for half the price it was 4 months ago, sorry all those who grabbed it as soon as it came out on a 2 year contract and are paying double :crying: current price is not a good sign, still may grab one however when my contract comes up for renewal in November, maybe it will be a bit cheaper.
HTC are upsetting a lot of people at the moment with them promising updates and then not bothering, M8 just lost its August update, we now have to wait till android M release, and I can really see by the time its ready, they will use the excuse that the device is over 2 years old so no update, so still no Sense 7 unless you go custom rom, if XDA developers can do it, why cant HTC ?
HTC Mini 2 aka M8 mini, only got a year of updates, didn't even get Lollipop, not a very happy Mrs. promised by HTC then cancelled.
M7 updates got the 2 year excuse and left with a buggy Lollipop, which were fixed by Google 4 weeks later in 5.1.

I miss the HTC that made good phones like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfSxWNOG8DQ That video gives me a nostalgia overload.

Looks like htc is digging a bigger hole for the m9 with the a9 being announced in September.
The support for this device is going to downtrend fast.

cougzzz said:
Looks like htc is digging a bigger hole for the m9 with the a9 being announced in September.
The support for this device is going to downtrend fast.
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If they do a good job with the initial release that doesn't needs to be true; It will include the latest android version, so no need to worry about system updates probably until android M, it will include the stagefright patches, so no need to worry about that either. If it includes a good camera and gets rid of Snapdragon 810, there won't be a need of constant firmware updates and even if it includes the 810, they've improved it so much so far, so there would be no need to firmware updates, cause they passed for that with the M9 already.
Again that's assuming they're going to announce sometihng at IFA, which is yet uncertain.

Simply put...nowadays phone manufacturers don't need to build the best phone to sell the "best" phone, they just have to make it the most popular phone. People outside of XDA don't buy a phone because it has killer features, or superior build quality, or the best camera; they buy a phone because the marketing department said it was the best phone on the market, plain and simple. If HTC wants to catch up, all they need to do is change the look of the M10 and focus on marketing it heavily. HTC has been building top tier smartphones for some time now and they have lost the market game to Samsung and Apple every year.
And also, don't think for a minute that other manufacturers will not pay for negative press on competing phones. They know that public perception is what drives public reception. I am quite certain that Samsung "influenced" atleast a few of the bad review that the M9 received. I am the proud owner of an M9 and although it hasn't been the best phone that I have ever owned, it is FAR from as bad as some of the reviews made it out to be; but if you read the reviews and base your phone decision off of them, you would think the M9 was a piece of junk to be avoided.
All HTC needs to do is figure out some hip gimmicks and marketing (not for us, but for the public), and they will be just fine.

Htc is for people who don't want to go with the sheep of the phone world, plus once you've had a decent high end htc device you'll always be looking back if you switch to let's say a Samsung or an apple device. They're always really close to getting it perfect, this time round it's obviously the camera which is still good but you need to tweak it a bit, personally I'd always chose htc, they're great phones, especially since the m7.
In terms of overall sales, no they're not doing as well as Samsung and apple, bare in mind though that Apple and samsung sell lots of other devices besides phones, htc do not. A fresh approach needs to happen in terms of marketing, and a thoroughly tested flagship with every angle covered, plus I don't think it's necessary for them to release several phones per year. A flag ship and a budget phone would suffice, allowing them to optimise the devices properly. Having an E an E+ an m9 and an m9+ with desires popping up all over the place for me is far too much.
Time will tell, but I don't think they're down and out.

This is my sixth HTC phone and still happy with it. Sad though they can't keep up with the telecom market nowadays.. I would say HTC ain't dead, but it had its better days. Hopefully they strike back with a stunning 2016 flagship. They really deserve a better position or either everybody's attention like last year with the m8 in my opinion
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Oneplus 3 vs 6p nexus

So I'm looking phone that would last me at least 2 years and I can't decide what phone should I get the oneplus 3 or nexus 6p. So which is better for long term (especially that oneplus 3 will get nougat really fast because of custom roms)

memo45 said:
So I'm looking phone that would last me at least 2 years and I can't decide what phone should I get the oneplus 3 or nexus 6p. So which is better for long term (especially that oneplus 3 will get nougat really fast because of custom roms)
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If you don't need more than 64GB then the OnePlus 3 is rocking it.
I need more and I'm on Verizon so it's not an option. I have a Nexus 6P that I've had since introduction and it's a great phone.

memo45 said:
So I'm looking phone that would last me at least 2 years and I can't decide what phone should I get the oneplus 3 or nexus 6p. So which is better for long term (especially that oneplus 3 will get nougat really fast because of custom roms)
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Looking for stock software updates and a good dev community? 6p. OP3 has notoriously slow updates.
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ultyrunner said:
Looking for stock software updates and a good dev community? 6p. OP3 has notoriously slow updates.
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I'd agree with this.
Just seems the OP community isn't as strong with help as the Nexus community.

perveeus said:
I'd agree with this.
Just seems the OP community isn't as strong with help as the Nexus community.
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And, specifically, OP is notoriously slow to update their stock software with new releases. My son has had an OP3 for months. He's had one security update and zero sign of Nougat on the horizon. While they aren't as bad as, say, Samsung, this is generally the problem with hardware manufacturers. Monthly security updates and being first for full version updates is a huge advantage to the 6p.
Plus, if you follow instructions and take your time it's actually pretty hard to brick a 6p.

N6p works on all american carriers.... OP3 only works on the GSM american providers... So choose wisely based on your provider
Other than that, both are fantastic phones with the N6P having the upper hand only because of software updates

I've had the 6p (gave to my son) and now own the OP3.
The OP3 community on XDA is quite good and there are several roms to choose from - no surprise as they are developer friendly. The official roms are behind somewhat, but I suppose that's to be expected.
Currently I'm running one of the Nougat roms (even though they have bugs with the video camera still) and am quite happy with the phone overall.
I would say that the OnePlus is the closest thing to a Nexus you will find. The build quality is good, and I'm loving the fingerprint sensor on the front where it should be.
I specifically bought this phone after I saw what was on offer from Google this year - overpriced, ugly phones.

Had a OP3 and traded it for the N6P. Can't go wrong with either phone, but if you're looking for the latest and greatest ROM wise, the N6P wins. OP3 dash charging is real and the file transfer speeds are crazy fast too. 6P was a better choice for me. The N roms on the OP3 aren't there yet. Camera quality is terrible for anything not based on the official roms. Screen size and front facing speakers were also a big factor for me.

To add to the discussion, the OnePlus 3 is a great overall phone for the price, and especially if you don't ever plan to update (as they are few and far between) it also doesn't have the overheating problems notorious of the 6P. However, the 6P will have faster updates and will most likely have a much longer life (in terms of development) than the OnePlus 3. They are both very comparable and you can't go wrong with either one.
Personally, I've played with both and like both, but I much prefer the 1440p panel of the 6P over the 1080p of the OP3.

ultyrunner said:
And, specifically, OP is notoriously slow to update their stock software with new releases. My son has had an OP3 for months. He's had one security update and zero sign of Nougat on the horizon. While they aren't as bad as, say, Samsung, this is generally the problem with hardware manufacturers. Monthly security updates and being first for full version updates is a huge advantage to the 6p.
Plus, if you follow instructions and take your time it's actually pretty hard to brick a 6p.
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My only concern is that after a yeartor so the nexus 6p will be too slow

ultyrunner said:
And, specifically, OP is notoriously slow to update their stock software with new releases. My son has had an OP3 for months. He's had one security update and zero sign of Nougat on the horizon. While they aren't as bad as, say, Samsung, this is generally the problem with hardware manufacturers. Monthly security updates and being first for full version updates is a huge advantage to the 6p.
Plus, if you follow instructions and take your time it's actually pretty hard to brick a 6p.
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Samsung delivered 6.0 update faster than OP and are on par with google with security updates

memo45 said:
My only concern is that after a yeartor so the nexus 6p will be too slow
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Why would it more than any other phone? Had mine since pretty much release.
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Samsung delivered 6.0 update faster than OP and are on par with google with security updates
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Samsung has some of the bloatiest Android bastardization out there. Not sure how this is a comparison of the 6p and OP3.
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I have the LG G3 for 2 years now and i am ordering right now the 6P.... OP3 i have to buy voor 400 euros, no option plus is has smaller screen i hate... definitly the development will be there for this device, i will just go with CM15 or CM16 if official firmware is not released over 1.5 years. LG G3 also gets nouget but only custom rom... and with the speed, i still like my G3, its still fast... i guess last few years speed isnt really a thing i guess, as also for ram. 3 or 4 gb is enough, i never go beyond 2.5 gb of ram use on my current phone. As i am not going to use daydream virtual reality or those things... i am pretty standard and dont game on my phone. I just love to flash and tweak a phone.

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Why would it more than any other phone? Had mine since pretty much release.
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Samsung has some of the bloatiest Android bastardization out there. Not sure how this is a comparison of the 6p and OP3.
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Yeah. If you have a carrier version. Intl is great with not that much bloat, alot use Sammy's brower. The other Microsoft stuff are just shortcuts to playstore and they take no space at all

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Yeah. If you have a carrier version. Intl is great with not that much bloat, alot use Sammy's brower. The other Microsoft stuff are just shortcuts to playstore and they take no space at all
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With the 6p, you're better off buying from Google directly, notwithstanding their announcement yesterday which seems to move away from supporting the Nexus line. As far as Sammy bloat, not only am I talking about awful Samsung specific apps, but also Touchwiz (which while better recently, is still a pretty bad launcher/skin experience), but also their attempts to make it far harder to customize your phone. I've had three different Galaxy phones and will never again go in that direction.
Again, this is pretty off-topic since the OP was asking to compare the 6p and OP3. My son has the latter and, while they have been somewhat slow to release firmware updates, the software experience is far more user-centered and it's much easier to customize them since they stuck closer to stock. In fact, I can use the same ADB/fastboot commands to unlock BL/flash/root for either the OP3 or 6p. Using your Sammy example, modding the phone is an absolute gongshow since you need Odin and it's almost impossible to do easily on a Mac.

I'm stuck between these two also, and don't want to wait until 2017 for the next Google thing.
The only reason I'm hesitant on the OnePlus 3 is because of the resolution and the fingerprint/button on the front, I hate phones that have something on the front like that.

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With the 6p, you're better off buying from Google directly, notwithstanding their announcement yesterday which seems to move away from supporting the Nexus line. As far as Sammy bloat, not only am I talking about awful Samsung specific apps, but also Touchwiz (which while better recently, is still a pretty bad launcher/skin experience), but also their attempts to make it far harder to customize your phone. I've had three different Galaxy phones and will never again go in that direction.
Again, this is pretty off-topic since the OP was asking to compare the 6p and OP3. My son has the latter and, while they have been somewhat slow to release firmware updates, the software experience is far more user-centered and it's much easier to customize them since they stuck closer to stock. In fact, I can use the same ADB/fastboot commands to unlock BL/flash/root for either the OP3 or 6p. Using your Sammy example, modding the phone is an absolute gongshow since you need Odin and it's almost impossible to do easily on a Mac.
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If you are after modding then sammy is out of question. Otherwise sammy is on top of the list

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If you are after modding then sammy is out of question. Otherwise sammy is on top of the list
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In other words you're in a completely unrelated thread and trolling about your love of Samsung, which is completely off-topic from the question posed here.

It's really hard to choose
The nexus 6p has a better screen,better camera ans better speaker
While the oneplus 3 just flies through every task and a faster fingerprint sensor

memo45 said:
It's really hard to choose
The nexus 6p has a better screen,better camera ans better speaker
While the oneplus 3 just flies through every task and a faster fingerprint sensor
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I don't see how that's a hard choice. Snappiness can be a matter of ROM, kernel, and many other adjustable stuff. The 6p pluses you list aren't really adjustable.
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dtek60

Ok gang, need to get impressions and tricks and enhancement advice for dtek60.
Hopefully there are more people willing to get this android phone. For the specs I felt this was a steal.

can you run geekbench on your phone and post results? Thanks

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can you run geekbench on your phone and post results? Thanks
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Hey is there another bench mark app ?
Geekbench 4 got some poor ratings

Dtek60 is a good phone but the blackberry os has a lot to be desired. I don't know if blackberry is known to update their os periodically but from what I can tell it's security updates are timely.
So if you are in a market for a decent phone, the dtek60 is a great phone. But it offers very limited options for phone apps i.e. camera app etc. There's not native file explore had to down load a third party app.
It's android vanilla experience to the max. I'd wised there were some nice enhancements like Samsung does with their android os.

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Dtek60 is a good phone but the blackberry os has a lot to be desired. I don't know if blackberry is known to update their os periodically but from what I can tell it's security updates are timely.
So if you are in a market for a decent phone, the dtek60 is a great phone. But it offers very limited options for phone apps i.e. camera app etc. There's not native file explore had to down load a third party app.
It's android vanilla experience to the max. I'd wised there were some nice enhancements like Samsung does with their android os.
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I guess everyone is different. For me the BlackBerry android os is what makes the dtek so much better than the rest. Its almost pure android with some great BlackBerry features such as hub, keyboard, swipe gestures to access apps and productivity tab.
Since I got the dtek50 I've tried many flagship phones only to come back to dtek. This includes galaxy s7(can't stand touchwiz), LG g5 and Sony xperia X performance. All of them are great hardware but I can't use the OS.
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I guess everyone is different. For me the BlackBerry android os is what makes the dtek so much better than the rest. Its almost pure android with some great BlackBerry features such as hub, keyboard, swipe gestures to access apps and productivity tab.
Since I got the dtek50 I've tried many flagship phones only to come back to dtek. This includes galaxy s7(can't stand touchwiz), LG g5 and Sony xperia X performance. All of them are great hardware but I can't use the OS.
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I'm actually rethinking the dtek60.
I had it, was in my 30 day period of return so I did return it. But i may reconsider it.
Thanks for the tip.

kparikh82276 said:
I'm actually rethinking the dtek60.
I had it, was in my 30 day period of return so I did return it. But i may reconsider it.
Thanks for the tip.
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Did you end up buying it again?
Funnily enough I ended up buying a google pixel since ingot a good deal on it. Nice phone, but after a day, I ended up selling it as I don't see a huge difference in performance other than camera
So here you go we all underestimate how good the dtek50 is..
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vhl71 said:
Did you end up buying it again?
Funnily enough I ended up buying a google pixel since ingot a good deal on it. Nice phone, but after a day, I ended up selling it as I don't see a huge difference in performance other than camera
So here you go we all underestimate how good the dtek50 is..
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OK, so I ended up getting the LG v20.
I'm very impressed but I think the dtek60 is equally as nice.
So if you have dtek60 then keep it.
If you have LG v20.. Then keep it.... Switching to the other wouldn't be worth it.

if anyone is interested.
Here is the firmware for TCL 950 which, from the outside, looks like Alcatel Idol 4s (also produced by TCL), but the hardware is more like DTEK60 (also produced by TCL).
Maybe it will help someone ...
https://mega.nz/

link not working

Should I buy an LG V20 or HTC 10????

I am a type of geek who like using a phone for long period of time(3.5years for my original moto g now).
I really like the hi-fi audio recording and quad-dac in the V20,but I am worrying about the software support of the phone.I don't want to stuck with outdated software over years of time to degrade the user experience.(retailers in my cities are selling H990N which cannot unlock BL)
So another alternative - HTC 10,come to my mind with some sacrifices,but come with countless dev support to keep me on par with latest android update.
So which one should I choose???
(they are both selling for about $400 USD in my country)

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I am a type of geek who like using a phone for long period of time(3.5years for my original moto g now).
I really like the hi-fi audio recording and quad-dac in the V20,but I am worrying about the software support of the phone.I don't want to stuck with outdated software over years of time to degrade the user experience.(retailers in my cities are selling H990N which cannot unlock BL)
So another alternative - HTC 10,come to my mind with some sacrifices,but come with countless dev support to keep me on par with latest android update.
So which one should I choose???
(they are both selling for about $400 USD in my country)
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Me personally, as a tinkerer, would go with which ever phone has support for BL unlock. However, if its primarily software support your worrying about the V20 will probably have the same life span as any other top tier smartphone in the same class, if not more. And with the release of Android O, google has confirmed they will stop upgrading the nexus devices first, and will rather update all android devices with updates as they come out. Google is also fighting the many vetting processes that Providers go through before releasing the update to your phones.
TL;DR: Both phones will have support for years to come, google has stopped updating nexus devices exclusively, and if you're worried about BL Unlocks, go with the one that's unlockable.
Edit: Forgot to mention Im almost certain the v20 has better camera hardware & software then the HTC 10 does, but that can be considered an opinion on the internet now a days so, do with it as you will.

Unfortunately Google, OEM's and Carriers mostly dictate what ends up on every phone. And cooperation between the three is often lacking, late, fragmented.
I did my research before getting my V20 so I don't have any expectations regarding newer firmwares, b/l unlock or rooting.
I'll take whatever comes along.
There's very little open development and what there is only covers a few variants.
Although the V20 is a fantastic phone I think you would be better going for the HTC or another similar device.

personally I would go with the v20, no doubt!!
a much better screen (unless you're one of the lucky 10% to find a Sharp panel, the Tianma looks quite awful...), a better dac, even if the aQstic dac on the htc10 isn't a bad choice at all; more ram; v20 was equipped with android N at the launch so my guess is it will be updated to android P
about the custom roms matter: I'm not sure how the dac would behave on a custom rom, so you better check before you decide!

LG V20 with official Android P-ie-in-the-sky
I'm also an optimist, but as there's not even 7.1.1 yet I'm not gona hold my breath.

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LG V20 with official Android P-ie-in-the-sky
I'm also an optimist, but as there's not even 7.1.1 yet I'm not gona hold my breath.
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This is my real concern here as I would definitely keep my device for more than 3 years(unless it gets into hardware bootloop), android updates is something important for me
(I use my tiny moto for so long as it gets 7.1.2 running flawlessly)
However,since I love the feature of V20 so much,it is going to be a tough choice

Yeah it probably is a tough choice. But it is your choice. My suggestion was in reply to your post.
The V20 is one of the best phones I've owned. I knew the state of play before I decided to get it. And I've no regrets.

rubiicon59 said:
LG V20 with official Android P-ie-in-the-sky
I'm also an optimist, but as there's not even 7.1.1 yet I'm not gona hold my breath.
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Lg has never bothered updating to any x.1 release, so I'm quite positive we won't see any 7.1.1 update... As I'm planning to keep this phone for a couple of years I'm hoping Lg will follow his usual 2 major updates policy anyway... we'll see!

. OK, seems you know more about LG's weird ways of doing things than I do. But I'm learning lol.
So, their flagship V20 the first to be released with Nougat out-of-the-box..... then update limbo until whenever they can be arsed....
Marvellous
I'd be happy with a couple of minor updates, at least security patches would be more pertinent.

Personally because you have a removable battery on the v20 I would say go for it.

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Personally because you have a removable battery on the v20 I would say go for it.
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As I'm a careless user who drop the phone more often than anyone else,the removable battery option just makes the phone less durable in drops...
But it has a mil spec drop resistant...
Gosh I can't make any choice?

zack1175 said:
As I'm a careless user who drop the phone more often than anyone else,the removable battery option just makes the phone less durable in drops...
But it has a mil spec drop resistant...
Gosh I can't make any choice?
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The removable battery doesn't affect it's durability, v20 is a bit different in that the back doesn't just pop off there is a button you have to press to remove it. The removable battery won't negatively affect durability.
I think the removable battery is important if you're going to keep your phone long term because the battery is likely the first component to degrade.
As far as updates go LG tends to support their phones for at least one major release (Android O in this case) which is what the majority of manufacturers do.
Google is the only company that tends to support their phones beyond a typical one major release, the Nexus 6 for example has gone from Lollipop (5.x) to Nougat (7.x).
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I say go with the V20 but ONLY after the V30 info has been released. The V30 might be a worthy upgrade so don't throw any money at the V20 yet.

xbmoyx said:
I say go with the V20 but ONLY after the V30 info has been released. The V30 might be a worthy upgrade so don't throw any money at the V20 yet.
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I can't purchase latest flagship as they are beyond my budget well over $200 USD...
(400USD VS 699USD for brand new phone)

I've dropped my phone 3x, the back pops off but it hasn't affected the phone or battery in any way. The phone only got minor scratches. Anyways, if the spare removable battery ? isn't important to you then get htc. I believe to truly enjoy this phone YOU HAVE TO have a spare battery. Battery life isn't that great but with a spare I don't care. We'll good luck

Yeah removable battery is key if you plan on keeping phone for 2+ years. Disassembling the whole phone just to change the battery as well as resoldering it is going to be a pain unless you are ok with dealing with the lost capacity from the battery due to age.

Resoldering?
Batteries are modular so there's no soldering required.
And many phones aren't all that hard to dismantle for battery access. Teardowns are readily available.

rubiicon59 said:
Resoldering?
Batteries are modular so there's no soldering required.
And many phones aren't all that hard to dismantle for battery access. Teardowns are readily available.
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Could have sworn the Nexus 5x my buddy had was soldered when he went to switch out the battery. Maybe not I don't really remember as it's been awhile. That's pretty nice if so, still a pain having to take it apart compared to to just a couple of seconds to pop off the back of the v20.
Also doing a battery pull can be very helpful sometimes in the modding community when rooting and stuff. I've had to do it a few times on my s4 and note 4 back when I was flashing all sorts of different rooms trying stuff out.

Nexus 5x has a connector most phones use a connector but there are some devices that are soldered so it's not unheard of. The iPod nano battery replacement is an example of a battery that requires soldering.
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Wtf iPod Nano?
Some batteries are connected with a plug.
Some connect via spring contacts - V20 for example.
Modular: easy replacement if required, cuts service labour time etc..
I wonder how many recent devices have hard-wired batteries.

Completely misleading Android one program / Feedback hub app

I'm beginning to feel completely misled about the Android 1 program. December and still no Oreo, I was thinking of a Pure Android with instant first in line updates to the latest software, similar to the Nexus and Pixel phones. My friend with an old One plus 3 received Oreo in Early November.
Also, this is not pure android. It's preloaded with Miu junkware.
Of particular interest is the feedback hub app. Is this a Google or Miu App? I thought the latter and there is no way to remove it from the phone.
I Bought this for the pure android experience and instant updates, but there are better tech/price handsets out there in this price range with decent battery and better screen/chips.
New buyers proceed with a little caution.

What other devices with Pure Android, instant first in line updates and better tech/price handsets at this price range with decent battery and better screen/chips are you reffering to?
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1. Xiaomi promised Oreo by the end of the year. The beta has already rolled out. And will soon be released as promised. I don't see how that's a problem.
2. There's literally no junk in this phone I don't know what you're talking about.. miremote? How else you're gonna use that IR blaster. And micamera app because stock also camera doesn't support xiaomi's dual camera setup. And finally mi feedback.. you should be grateful that they are trying to listen to their customers..
3. OnePlus 3 is also double the price of mi A1. You can't expect flagship phone with on a potato price.
4. Kindly list those phones with better tech screen and 'chips' (lays?) Closest phone with similar spec is Moto g5s plus which costs ₹2000 more than A1. Others don't even have specs remotely close to this one and costs close to ₹20000.

I was was referring to phones that do not have pure Android.
Android One on the Mi A1 is not pure Android either.
My point is you may as well buy another phone because this is not a true pure Android experience. Don't be fooled.

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1. Xiaomi promised Oreo by the end of the year. The beta has already rolled out. And will soon be released as promised. I don't see how that's a problem.
2. There's literally no junk in this phone I don't know what you're talking about.. miremote? How else you're gonna use that IR blaster. And micamera app because stock also camera doesn't support xiaomi's dual camera setup. And finally mi feedback.. you should be grateful that they are trying to listen to their customers..
3. OnePlus 3 is also double the price of mi A1. You can't expect flagship phone with on a potato price.
4. Kindly list those phones with better tech screen and 'chips' (lays?) Closest phone with similar spec is Moto g5s plus which costs ₹2000 more than A1. Others don't even have specs remotely close to this one and costs close to ₹20000.
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You really expose yourself here as a deluded fanboy. My point is the one plus 3 does not have pure android but was updated months ago. Unremovable feedback app points to doctored software and therefore is not pure. THIS IS NOT A PURE ANDROID PHONE. FACT.
There are plenty of better spec Chinese built phones in this range. Do yourself a favour and have a quick browse on gearbest. I know you want to protect your investment by convincing yourself it's great but it really isn't. IR blaster is virtually useless in the modern world and is a cheap replacement for lack of NFC.

This IS pure Android. Having 1 or 2 pre-installed apps doesn't mean it's not pure Android. Name one phone with pure Android except nexus and pixel.
You mean I should rather buy a phone with half hd screen, an older SoC with a single camera which costs more than a1? Even if we consider for a second that it's not pure Android in A1 ( which it is).. its still a great phone and no other phone comes close to this phone in terms of price/spec ratio.

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This IS pure Android. Having 1 or 2 pre-installed apps doesn't mean it's not pure Android. Name one phone with pure Android except nexus and pixel.
You mean I should rather buy a phone with half hd screen, an older SoC with a single camera which costs more than a1? Even if we consider for a second that it's not pure Android in A1 ( which it is).. its still a great phone and no other phone comes close to this phone in terms of price/spec ratio.
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Your really not getting this are you.
PURE.
The camera is rubbish. There are much better single cameras out there. The 'optical zoom' is a joke.
Yes it is still a good phone but the chip is very old now and there are plenty of other options.

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You really expose yourself here as a deluded fanboy. My point is the one plus 3 does not have pure android but was updated months ago. Unremovable feedback app points to doctored software and therefore is not pure. THIS IS NOT A PURE ANDROID PHONE. FACT.
There are plenty of better spec Chinese built phones in this range. Do yourself a favour and have a quick browse on gearbest. I know you want to protect your investment by convincing yourself it's great but it really isn't. IR blaster is virtually useless in the modern world and is a cheap replacement for lack of NFC.
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My argument still stands.. they promised Oreo BY THE END OF THE YEAR. Is it January yet? It's not like you got cheated or something.
The is just installed as system app it doesn't mean the OS itself is doctored.. please go and learn about Android before spreading your ignorance.
So you would rather buy a Chinese trash phone with cr*p mediatek processors with no guarantee on its quality than this phone which comes from a decent company.
Lastly NFC is just novelty in the region where A1 is supposed to be sold. Unlike IR blaster which many people make use of.
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Your really not getting this are you.
PURE.
The camera is rubbish. There are much better single cameras out there. The 'optical zoom' is a joke.
Yes it is still a good phone but the chip is very old now and there are plenty of other options.
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Camera is rubbish? Are you high on something?
You are constantly saying there are plenty other options .. kindly name those options or we're done here..
Have a good day.

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My argument still stands.. they promised Oreo BY THE END OF THE YEAR. Is it January yet? It's not like you got cheated or something.
The is just installed as system app it doesn't mean the OS itself is doctored.. please go and learn about Android
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If it's installed on the system and you cannot remove it, then it is considered bloatware and the operating system has been doctored.
It is not a pure Android phone. I'm sure there is a thread already that exposes this project as a joint Xiaomi/Google project but run by Xiaomi. Your right about one thing...I should have done a little research into the so called Android One project.
Plenty of >Snapdragon chip phones out there in this price bracket I know it and so do you so stop pretending. And don't talk about power efficiency, that's why you pack a 4000+ battery!

pow01 said:
I'm beginning to feel completely misled about the Android 1 program. December and still no Oreo, I was thinking of a Pure Android with instant first in line updates to the latest software, similar to the Nexus and Pixel phones. My friend with an old One plus 3 received Oreo in Early November.
Also, this is not pure android. It's preloaded with Miu junkware.
Of particular interest is the feedback hub app. Is this a Google or Miu App? I thought the latter and there is no way to remove it from the phone.
I Bought this for the pure android experience and instant updates, but there are better tech/price handsets out there in this price range with decent battery and better screen/chips.
New buyers proceed with a little caution.
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You obviously aren't satisfied with the choice you made, so..sell the phone, buy "better phone in this price range", be happy. It's really as simple as that.
If you really believe that you have been lied to by Xiaomi, there are legal options which you can take. Search Google for legal services in your area, they'll be happy to discuss this point with you.

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Yes, it's really bad. The front facing camera is terrible and the pixelation on the rear is really bad. Forget about night time. And I was coming from a Nexus 5.
Which phone did you own previously?

_mysiak_ said:
You obviously aren't satisfied with the choice you made, so..sell the phone, buy "better phone in this price range", be happy. It's really as simple as that.
If you really believe that you have been lied to by Xiaomi, there are legal options which you can take. Search Google for legal services in your area, they'll be happy to discuss this point with you.
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Another bitter poster who is protecting his investment furiously rather than admitting it's shortcomings.
I did not say I had been lied to and I am fully aware of how to use Google search. But if you really think this matter requires me to seek legal assistance you really are a bit special.
What I am freely admitting is that I should have done more research on the Android One project as it is not what I thought it was. My bad and I learn from my mistakes.

Use a nexus device & u can instantly understand the difference.. Android one programs supposed to have faster updates & be more stable.. A1 is just a half hearted effort from Mi.. Bugs, bugs and more bugs.. Awesome hardware, but crap software.. And android one program is supposed to have os updates pushed by Google..
If u have used a nexus phone, u 'll know how soon they address bugs.. I used Nexus 5 & the first version of kitkat had a vdo recording problem.. It was addressed in just a matter of days.. The contact linking issue has not been addressed even after four or five updates..

That being said if it was just marketed as a Mi phone with Stock os it wud have been alright.. Its value for money.. But it doesnt do justice to the android one tag..

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That being said if it was just marketed as a Mi phone with Stock os it wud have been alright.. Its value for money.. But it doesnt do justice to the android one tag..
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This is what I thought I had bought into. A Mi phone with stock OS.
I was mistaken and should haved looked a little deeper into it. As you said before, this is not even close to a Nexus/stock android experience.

@pow01 : ha ha.. i thought i was the only one coming from nexus 5.. oreo feedback seems to be good.. lets wait & see..
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This forum is full of ****ing retards. They promised Ored by END OF THE YEAR and its still ****ing december and u STILL ****ING COMPLAIN. And just because it has 2 Xiaomi apps doesn't mean its not stock Android. Bloody fools. You complain about fcking everything.
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Bro.. Use a nexus device & u'll know the difference.. its not just about oreo.. the stutters, microlags, freezes, contact linking issue.. its frustrating.. if u have experienced android at its purest, u'd b swearing at Mi right now.. Nexus in marshmallow is still loads better than A1 with nougat..
For nexus fans, when Mi announced the Android one program it was a dream come true.. Mi is known for its vfm hardware.. Stock google os should be flying on this device.. not micro stuttering like on A1..
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This forum is full of ****ing retards. They promised Ored by END OF THE YEAR and its still ****ing december and u STILL ****ING COMPLAIN. And just because it has 2 Xiaomi apps doesn't mean its not stock Android. Bloody fools. You complain about fcking everything.
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Bro.. Use a nexus device & u'll know the difference.. its not just about oreo.. the stutters, microlags, freezes, contact linking issue.. its frustrating.. if u have experienced android at its purest, u'd b swearing at Mi right now.. Nexus in marshmallow is still loads better than A1 with nougat..
For nexus fans, when Mi announced the Android one program it was a dream come true.. Mi is known for its vfm hardware.. Stock google os should be flying on this device.. not micro stuttering like on A1..

I came from Nexus 5X and yes, I feel the difference. I have snappier phone which keeps more apps in memory without closing them immediately during multitasking, I'm not experiencing unfinished HDR photos now, etc... I still receive monthly security updates and actually am happy that my device is not the very first one receiving major OS upgrade, as it often breaks many things (TWRP, root, not updated apps). So I'll rather wait couple of weeks or months until all developers catch up and I can continue using my device without hiccups.
I bought phones which I wasn't happy with in the past and guess what, I sold them and purchased something else. But if you feel that posting on forums that you made a mistake is the right way how to solve your problem..well.. be my guest, though not sure how is it supposed to help others.

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I came from Nexus 5X and yes, I feel the difference. I have snappier phone which keeps more apps in memory without closing them immediately during multitasking, I'm not experiencing unfinished HDR photos now, etc... I still receive monthly security updates and actually am happy that my device is not the very first one receiving major OS upgrade, as it often breaks many things (TWRP, root, not updated apps). So I'll rather wait couple of weeks or months until all developers catch up and I can continue using my device without hiccups.
I bought phones which I wasn't happy with in the past and guess what, I sold them and purchased something else. But if you feel that posting on forums that you made a mistake is the right way how to solve your problem..well.. be my guest, though not sure how is it supposed to help others.
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The camera on my Nexus 5 was better than the Mi A1 producing far superior images. I'm not looking to solve my problem I'm just happy to make others aware this is not a stock android experience. What I'm posting is valuable feedback for those thinking about buying one of these devices.
The bottom line is everything has to run through Beijing first before being released rather than coming straight from San Francisco.
I am happy with the phone and VFM (but it's no Nexus)
I am not happy with the way Xiaomi is executing Android One.

pow01 said:
Your really not getting this are you.
PURE.
The camera is rubbish. There are much better single cameras out there. The 'optical zoom' is a joke.
Yes it is still a good phone but the chip is very old now and there are plenty of other options.
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The "very old" chip is based on 14 nm technology, how are you calling it old? Sure, its not the most cutting edge, but it fares well when it comes to daily usage.
And yeah, having other camera apps surely would help. I think Mi camera app sharpens up the image a bit more.
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Bro.. Use a nexus device & u'll know the difference.. its not just about oreo.. the stutters, microlags, freezes, contact linking issue.. its frustrating.. if u have experienced android at its purest, u'd b swearing at Mi right now.. Nexus in marshmallow is still loads better than A1 with nougat..
For nexus fans, when Mi announced the Android one program it was a dream come true.. Mi is known for its vfm hardware.. Stock google os should be flying on this device.. not micro stuttering like on A1..
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You are right. I tried using Google Live Wallpaper on my A1, and it made the whole phone slow! Opening app drawer/jumping to home page, etc felt slower and laggy.
Funny thing is, I was using the same wallpaper on my Redmi 2s. It ran on that phone PERFECTLY FINE!!! No lags, no stutters, and no loss in battery life!! Sure, Redmi 2s has a 720p screen, and I could tell that the animations set to a lower resolution, but I'm disappointed that Mi A1 stutters with such beautiful wallpapers.
Get yo **** together, Xiaomi. Give Mi A1 the Android it deserves.
And to people who are *****ing that it isn't the stockest stockesty android, calm yo tits. It comes very close to Nexus levels stock, save a few apps. But still wish they had included Night Light tho.

Ah, now I see. This explains pretty much everything: "I'm not looking to solve my problem"
"this is not a stock android experience", which is only your opinion. As far I see this is stock android with very similar experience to Nexus devices with the same or better user experience. Obviously we don't have to agree with each other, but as you certainly won't accept another opinion than yours and are not able to discuss politely..so.. Have fun bashing Xiaomi and Google with your utterly useful posts (oh sorry, "valuable feedback" as you call it ).