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We better get LG V10's software improvements or I'm done with LG

I'm tired of this planned obselesence bull. It has the same exact camera. If I don't see high bitrate 4k, 60fps 1080p, and manual video control I'm done. Furthermore, I better not see any UI improvements that won't be present on the G4 in a near future time.
If they do any of this nonsense on a year old, marketed, FLAGship, I'm finished. At that point I'll know the path they are taking with their phones and what they think of their consumers.

I see what you mean but we live in such system, now more than ever, programmed obsolesence is the first reason phone's are sold. We can't do nothing really, what we can do is stopping buying but no one will do that because for one that not buy there are millions that buy, try to port features or just use alternative apps.

Yep, then don't buy. Vote with your wallet, eventually these companies would understand why their sales are dropping. I've already sold my LG G4

I jumped ship this evening and ordered the 6P. I've had several awful days of lock ups, lag, bad touchscreen response, weird graphic glitches, etc. Just done.

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I jumped ship this evening and ordered the 6P. I've had several awful days of lock ups, lag, bad touchscreen response, weird graphic glitches, etc. Just done.
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What does the 6p have that the g4 doesnt have?

afrojoc said:
What does the 6p have that the g4 doesnt have?
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Marshmallow. Soon a **** load of roms
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afrojoc said:
What does the 6p have that the g4 doesnt have?
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Hmmm.. An open conversation between developer and consumer? At least with Google, you KNOW you have at least a year before they will release their next flagship. I bought the G4 and LITERALLY the next day the V10 leaks started! Also... frequent updates without carrier bs (I'll never forget the update I got on my last phone.. when everyone else was getting Lollipop, AT&T pushed out an update that installed UBER and AT&T Live on my damn phone lol). The Nexus will have a vibrant developer community that isn't hobbled by locked bootloaders and carrier restrictions, and a Fingerprint scanner to name a few. But, the G4 does have some features that I don't think you'll find on the 6p! Namely, horrible touch-screen response, lag that appears out of nowhere, a plastic back that can get so hot I'd swear it was metal. Sorry for the pessimism but this is only my 2nd Android phone and I'm batting 0/2 as my first was the AT&T variant of the Galaxy S5 (RIP Safestrap!) and I'm done with this crap lol. As soon as possible, I'm hitching my horse to a Nexus and never looking back! PS I forgot! The 6P has that giant Cyclops eye on it's backend! Also, having said all that, the developers that are working here on the G4 are amazing! The fact that they've been able to do what they have despite the restrictions is awesome!

I will definitely miss the manual camera, I think LG did a great job with that, and I'm disappointed that Google has not included manual settings in the stock camera. But there are other manual camera apps for that. I've been hunting down camera comparison shots for weeks, looking to see that the 6P can hold it's own, and I'm confident in all the test shots I've found. It's less a question on what the 6P has than what it DOESN'T have. I have reached the end of my patience with the bad performance of the G4 that I'm willing to lose some (if any) camera quality to gain stability and reliability. It's true that you gain a thriving development community with Nexus, but the development on the G4 didn't bother me to begin with. I'm perfectly happy with just root! It's a shame, because I had a G3 which I loved.

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I've said this for years xD I'm no longer buy Apple devices or Samsung devices. I'm only left with LG, Sony and the smaller brands. Haha.
Every company does this, so, if this happens now, I won't have another LG. These companies just keep trying to sell more and more phones every year.

I'm also crossed that LG doesn't allow longer exposures for third party apps so you don't have 30 sec. exposure times.
I must say that from all the brands. I was the most satisfied with HTC. (had One M7). Good updates, has google play edition. Awesome policy. Too bad that when G4 came out you really didn't have a good camera phone except it and S6.

Too bad, the companies are shifting to this practice. As @Mad_Duke said the HTC M7 was the phone I liked the most (except for the camera). For the past 1,5 years I owned Sony (Z3), OnePlus (One), Samsung (S6/920F) and now the G4. I have to say that Oneplus was the most satisfying overall. All big names are unfortunately doing their own practices to sell more phones. Sony was slow at releasing 5.0 (and when it got released it was a "crippled" update), Samsung puts too much bloat and do not release the full documents for the Exynos, thus the development is slow. So far LG is kind of OK, at least you can flash some of the updated apps. However, if you want the fastest and most developed phones, you have to go with Nexus (or OnePlus like) devices.

I kinda expected manual camera for g3 when g4 came out. However, seeing a reality of thos bussiness I can see why they need to constantly shell out new products and plan the software obsolence of the older ones - because market (all of us) demands it. We need new models, company just cant sell same phone for 2 years and just shell out the updates (even with nexus5 we started demanding new models).
Vallet voting, just that.

I hope your post is a joke!
I had Nexus 4 before,and even if it was a Google device,I never had manual camera(with third party App),HDR+ or other improvements.
The same is happened with Samsung,Sony and Apple.
So what are we talking about?
If you want devices that has improvements in camera you should buy a Windows Phone.
After updates,even Lumia 520 has Manual Camera.

What a stupid thread
I have had marshmallow since day one ableit custom rom
Unlocked bootloader h815
Lg are a business in a cut throat market with so much choice for the consumer
You cannot live without the extra features? Wow lol
Imho its the best phone of 2015

Wow... just wow. Some of you guys are expecting waaay to much. It's not like other companies/phones bring all the latest **** to their older phones. The V10 has extra hardware to make some of the new video features work, so no, you probably won't get these features.
Also, LG is the first non-nexus to update to marshmallow but for some this still isn't fast enough. They offer fine support for this phone, realize normal consumers don't care if updates like these take longer (see Samsung) but LG is offering it way faster anyway.

The G4 looks very attractive right now.
The v10 is bigger, in size. Great video if you need it.
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I hope your post is a joke!
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tinkerers get bored when there is nothing left to tinker with
I had Nexus 4 before,and even if it was a Google device,I never had manual camera(with third party App),HDR+ or other improvements.
The same is happened with Samsung,Sony and Apple.
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S6 still does not have shutter control in the UI, the s6e+ & note 5 which came out only 3 months later have it.
S6 has raw and shutter in the api so if you use a 3rd party app you can use it but everybody wants to do this in the stock app.
The Z5 has shutter control, still no raw. Previous xperias have no shutter control because companies lock down the camera api to the point that the only reliable camera app you can use is the stock one.
So what are we talking about?
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he basically wants out and is trying to find a pretext, not necessary.
If you want devices that has improvements in camera you should buy a Windows Phone.
After updates,even Lumia 520 has Manual Camera.
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not really, the 930 languished for a couple of years after it launched. Its successor is two years late, the 950 but the OS is difficult to deal with without google services integration.
its true nokia camera interface is ahead of the curve and is available even on budget devices. But OIS, lens, bigger sensor and image processing requires more cpu is only present on higher end models. The 830 has ois. The 1020 can't do 4k.

G4 has been a POS since day one with the exception of the fantastic camera. I cannot believe that ppl are still here when you got phones like the Note 5 and 6P on the market. A removable battery and SD card slot does not solve lag and touchscreen issues....

From happy but unsatisfied 1+x owner

Hi folks, let me get one thing out of the way: I have a 1+x and I love it.
But reading what people post on xda and on the oneplus forum makes me wonder: since when have we become so happy with unfinished products?
I constantly hear "yes, but they'll fix it soon" or "yes, but think about the price". I understand that we paid little for the phone compared to other brands, but we paid little because of the specs, not because of an unfinished software which needs to be updated over and over again.
And don't give me a "well, then you shouldn't have bought it" because it's not like when you ordered it, they inform you about the software bugs.
With the phone that will be used for 1 or max. 2 years, waiting some months to get the basic bugs fixed is an eternity. Also, that the company is young doesn't really matter, I rather have them do better testing, wait one month longer and pay a little bit more for a fully working product than having to wait for something that is supposed to work from the beginning.
As I said before, I don't regret buying the 1+x, I'm just trying to understand why we as the consumer lowered our expectations and accept to pay the full price for an unfinished product (me included) when instead we should get very angry at the producer and I really don't like the companies going like "the product doesn't really work as it's supposed to, but we can start selling it anyway and fix it afterwards". And why does this only apply to smartphones?
Imagine buying a car where you can't switch on the windscreen wiper, "don't worry, they'll fix it with the next onboard-computer update", or a microwave oven that doesn't have a timer function "but don't worry, that will be fixed soon", who would go for that?

Some interesting points made, but also nothing specific mentioned about the X and an irrelevant comparison against the car industry, or if you must compare, then pick something like built in Sat Navs which are ludicrously expensive and rarely updated ( or at least for a reasonable cost). Current car is the first car in 10 years i have owned where the updates are free and available when I want. But even so, I can download a free app that does much of what my expensive sat nav does and sometimes more.
The whole technological world has conditioned us to be satisfied with poor products for years and arguably Apple did a lot to improve things for all of us. I have not owned a single device of any nature where I have not cursed the makers for some omission that seems important to me, or failure to update the software or some inherent bug. Couple that with the throw away culture of those of who who have the luxury to do so and you have the current state.
So what are you referring to with regard to the x that is not working and waiting for a bug fix?
As you say these devices have a very short shelf life and an equally short design, prototype, build, test period. With an open platform and variety of hardware options, issues are inevitable and Windows did a good job of conditioning us to that.

charliebigpot said:
Hi folks, let me get one thing out of the way: I have a 1+x and I love it.
But reading what people post on xda and on the oneplus forum makes me wonder: since when have we become so happy with unfinished products?
I constantly hear "yes, but they'll fix it soon" or "yes, but think about the price". I understand that we paid little for the phone compared to other brands, but we paid little because of the specs, not because of an unfinished software which needs to be updated over and over again.
And don't give me a "well, then you shouldn't have bought it" because it's not like when you ordered it, they inform you about the software bugs.
With the phone that will be used for 1 or max. 2 years, waiting some months to get the basic bugs fixed is an eternity. Also, that the company is young doesn't really matter, I rather have them do better testing, wait one month longer and pay a little bit more for a fully working product than having to wait for something that is supposed to work from the beginning.
As I said before, I don't regret buying the 1+x, I'm just trying to understand why we as the consumer lowered our expectations and accept to pay the full price for an unfinished product (me included) when instead we should get very angry at the producer and I really don't like the companies going like "the product doesn't really work as it's supposed to, but we can start selling it anyway and fix it afterwards". And why does this only apply to smartphones?
Imagine buying a car where you can't switch on the windscreen wiper, "don't worry, they'll fix it with the next onboard-computer update", or a microwave oven that doesn't have a timer function "but don't worry, that will be fixed soon", who would go for that?
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Your're right, but I think the main problem is Android.
Everyone who is going to buy an Android is going to be a beta tester. None of the phones I've had was stable. Every phone had problems.
Oneplus must fix the main problems, but if the base isn't bugless, we can't expect that Oneplus or other producers can make a software totally free of bugs. (Ex. LP is one of the worst versions of Android, even if one the most looking version).

You guys are right! But i m still happy
I bought the opx seeing its spces, i knew oxygen os wil be a problem but still i got it becoz i knew that theres gona be a ton of roms for this phone!
But i believe its bad of oneplus ,to not provide a well finished(stable) software!

Totally agree with many of you guys. Dropped some "likes" here and there.
Really, waiting for some serious custom juice to flow soon. [emoji16]

So what are the problems? What doesn't work? Mine will be delivered today. Guess I am asking this a little late.

Well I can give you more relative comparison. I have both the base models of the Alcatel idol 3 5.5 and the zenfone 2 2gb variant and both perform pretty much rock solid. The idol 3 does have some lagging here and there but that is known with the 615 chipset. However all major functionality works on both phones. Asus as been pushing out refinement updates about every 3 weeks and marshmallow is due out very soon. Both phones are under 250 and with the holidays around you can probably get them in the sub 200 USD range. We could make the argument that these companies are much bigger and have been around the game longer. But we also must remember that this is OPs 3rd phone now. And that OP is run by a bunch of ex OPPO executives. To top that off OP had major dealings with CM in the initial OPO and borched software and updates. They simply have not learned and continue to throw out half baked cheap products. Forcing their customers into a "wait and pray it gets better mindset".
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bricky23 said:
So what are the problems? What doesn't work? Mine will be delivered today. Guess I am asking this a little late.
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Everything works, but there are some problems:
- proximity sensor too lazy when you are calling.
- light sensor lazy
- vibration soft
These are for the most annoying problems

Your points are solid. I wholeheartedly agree

To be honest I didn't have any problems. After one OTA the SD card wasn't visible in the System settings, but, at least for me, it was accessible. Since the last OTA this is restored, and there's also App to SD functionality.

Tbh, based on a whole lot of other devices that I've used, the response to fix even the tiniest of niggles has been pretty stunning.
There are so many devices out there with software issues that are never resolved by OEMs. Also, I've not seen a single major hitch in the software. The SD card issue was only a visual one, from what I know, and the update before that was a generic update to improve the camera app and some performance enhancements. I'd say it's good that the OEM is releasing timely fixes rater than letting the issues stagnate.

i dont get it
they cud have easily have given maxxaudio with opx but they didnt and as a result the audio output is not upto the mark
i am dissapointed with this
the stock equalizer sucks big time

Android is too fragmented to expect a flawless experience. Hardware is too widely varied and the manufacturers push for new devices too quickly for the fine tuning to ever happen. If Android controlled the hardware like Apple does , you could see polish and refinement. Too many models, too many updates, many issues. It's easier to make it good enough and move on to the latest and greatest.
My OnePlus X should arrive early next week!
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coolasnju1993 said:
i dont get it
they cud have easily have given maxxaudio with opx but they didnt and as a result the audio output is not upto the mark
i am dissapointed with this
the stock equalizer sucks big time
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Really? The OnePlus X is (for some strange reason) one of the first devices to use the Ultrasound Driver from CAF. It's not about the equalizer, mate. The audio output from the headphone jack is incredible, and IMO you need new headphones if you think this is bad.

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Really? The OnePlus X is (for some strange reason) one of the first devices to use the Ultrasound Driver from CAF. It's not about the equalizer, mate. The audio output from the headphone jack is incredible, and IMO you need new headphones if you think this is bad.
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I use apple earpods and its still not good I guess I need to change my earphones :|

coolasnju1993 said:
I use apple earpods and its still not good I guess I need to change my earphones :|
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Yep you do.

Quasar said:
Yep you do. [/]
nd from where did you come to know that onx uses ultrasound sound drivers from caf??
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coolasnju1993 said:
nd from where did you come to know that onx uses ultrasound sound drivers from caf??
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From the vendor blobs.

coolasnju1993 said:
I use apple earpods and its still not good I guess I need to change my earphones :|
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Dude apple earpods are the suckiest pair money can buy. If you love your music, buy new ones. Btw I got Brainwavz m2 and they are awesome
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Tbh, based on a whole lot of other devices that I've used, the response to fix even the tiniest of niggles has been pretty stunning.
There are so many devices out there with software issues that are never resolved by OEMs. Also, I've not seen a single major hitch in the software. The SD card issue was only a visual one, from what I know, and the update before that was a generic update to improve the camera app and some performance enhancements. I'd say it's good that the OEM is releasing timely fixes rater than letting the issues stagnate.
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Yes, indeed they are fast in fixing issues, but 1) we're talking about OOS specific bugs and 2) we're still talking about weeks, potentially months before it's all fixed. They definitely listen more to the users than other companies, but just today, I updated to the latest OOS version and suddenly there is lag when scrolling in the browser (NBPro, when swiping up/down it literally stops after just some millimeters) and the display seems less reactive in general, especially when using gestures on the lockscreen.
I've read about the same issues here on xda and on the oneplus forum and yes, maybe I can solve it by wiping or resetting, but I don't want to have to do that and spend more time than necessary on it, I didn't sign up to be a beta-tester for OOS.
Again, I'm happy I bought it and I will be patient (CM is close..) but it feels that with each update they fix some issues but create some new ones.
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The SD card issue was only a visual one,"
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That might be true, but as a customer I expect 100% perfect device since I paid 100% of the price.

Mi Mix EVO with Snapdragon 835 leaked on Geekbench

Looks like there is a higher-end variant of the Mi Mix in the horizon called the Mi Mix Evo. Leaked Geekbench screenshot shows Snapdragon 835 and 4GB of RAM.
I wonder whether it will have a better camera sensor.
I'm not worried about the Snapdragon 835. I knew there were many new devices from Samsung, LG and the like with better specs than the Mix, coming out soon.
I expected the Mix to be a "one of a kind" device for a while, like how the Xperia Z Ultra was, at one point of time.
If the rumors pan out to be true, the fact that it may change that, is a bit disappointing I guess.
Moreover, judging from Xiaomi's history with previous devices, it doesn't look like we may see a lot of development for the device. Add to the fact, a very small community of us here and an even smaller community of users at the MIUI forums.
Does anyone regret buying the Mix, considering the Mix Evo would be sold at a similar price?
Source: GSMArena

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No regrets

@vergilbt I agree..

Not at all.
Sent from my MIghty Mix.

This would be cool if it has something other than a ceramic or glass body.
It'd be refreshing to have a ruggedized shell/display,no need for a case.
Otherwise, I don't have regrets.
Worldwide 2G/3G/4G/LTE support would be the main spec to consider trading up.
An I-R Blaster & wireless charging would seal the deal.
There's a lot of nice phones hitting the market soon,most of us here will be experiencing some measure of buyers remorse, especially if you're strictly a one-phone-at-a-time user.
HTC's latest U Series devices look nice.The Ultra is tempting (for me),but, I'm passing.
Besides,they will likely introduce yet another flagship @ MWC.Ditto with Huawei (P10), Samsung & LG.
It's a vicious nonstop cycle that's a real Love/Hate experience for those of us who use little to no restraint in trying out virtually everything on the market. ?
With that said, I'm outta here for a bit,got a Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Pro that just delivered & a Huawei Mate 9 delivering tomorrow.
An intervention is definitely in order,LOL......?
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KOLIOSIS said:
With that said, I'm outta here for a bit,got a Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Pro that just delivered & a Huawei Mate 9 delivering tomorrow.
An intervention is definitely in order,LOL......?
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Do you sell off all your old devices or keep them? I buy mine outright and mostly keep them. When my cycle hit 6 months I had to grab myself by the neck and slow it down. Can't let this consumerism consume me :laugh:

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Do you sell off all your old devices or keep them? I buy mine outright and mostly keep them. When my cycle hit 6 months I had to grab myself by the neck and slow it down. Can't let this consumerism consume me :laugh:
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Most of my phone deals have been leases via T-Mobile's JumpOnDemand.
I've sold a few,not many,but, the trio of Xiaomi Mi MIX/Redmi Note 3 Pro/Huawei Mate 9 look to be long-term keepers,having buying them outright.
If I do need to thin the herd,I'll list 'em on Swappa,as other sites/private sales net only a fraction of their worth.
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I have to admit that I'm pretty annoyed by this news. I literally just ordered this phone a day ago and they are already anouncing a better variant? Like I didn't have enough buyers regret already

SantinoInc said:
I have to admit that I'm pretty annoyed by this news. I literally just ordered this phone a day ago and they are already anouncing a better variant? Like I didn't have enough buyers regret already
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Couldn't have said it better myself,LOL......
Considering returning for a refund?
I know this is a PITA & a little bit of extra expense,but,if the rumors pan out...................................

KOLIOSIS said:
Couldn't have said it better myself,LOL......
Considering returning for a refund?
I know this is a PITA & a little bit of extra expense,but,if the rumors pan out...................................
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I got a serious phone problem. I'm currently on the S7 which I have no complaints about but I always need something new. I always like MIUI though so hopefully I'll enjoy this phone and be content with it for a while.

SantinoInc said:
I got a serious phone problem. I'm currently on the S7 which I have no complaints about but I always need something new. I always like MIUI though so hopefully I'll enjoy this phone and be content with it for a while.
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Been chasing that same Android Unicorn for five or six years now,kinda made a New Years resolution to curb it a bit ,but,as you,not successful,two new phones this month alone,not counting the Mix..........
I rationalize my habit by telling myself "I could be doing worse things"............

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Been chasing that same Android Unicorn for five or six years now,kinda made a New Years resolution to curb it a bit ,but,as you,not successful,two new phones this month alone,not counting the Mix..........
I rationalize my habit by telling myself "I could be doing worse things"............
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Hey, since I have your ear what's your current setup for this phone? Did you root and install TWRP? What ROM are you running? Any Xposed?

SantinoInc said:
Hey, since I have your ear what's your current setup for this phone? Did you root and install TWRP? What ROM are you running? Any Xposed?
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My phone came with an unlocked bootloader.
As soon as I realized that, I installed TWRP,made a backup of whatever was on my phone & jumped to the EU ROM,switched seamlessly to GlobeROM (very similar).
I have most MIUI/Xiaomi apps disabled,using SD Maid Pro.
Using Nova Launcher Pro & MIUI Xposed,I believe there's a thread here somewhere with the links for the proper version of Xposed for MIUI 8.
If not,just ping me & I'll post/PM 'em to you.......

In photography we call that Gear Acquisition Syndrome (gas).
The way I fixed it is to use the older generation for a while. I had a pretty serious issue with phones before but was forced to use my original xperia z1 after g4 had bootloop issue.
Turns out the z1 is so lovable that I didn't even bother fixing the g4. I only got the mix since it's one of a kind phone.
The hardware upgrade is getting insignificant. Even with a 50% battery improvement on the mix, it wouldn't be that important since the original mix is already pretty damn good.

SantinoInc said:
I have to admit that I'm pretty annoyed by this news. I literally just ordered this phone a day ago and they are already anouncing a better variant? Like I didn't have enough buyers regret already
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KOLIOSIS said:
Couldn't have said it better myself,LOL......
Considering returning for a refund?
I know this is a PITA & a little bit of extra expense,but,if the rumors pan out...................................
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Got this device just a few weeks back. I knew there were next gen phones with next gen specs coming out around Feb- March, which didn't bother me much. I bought the Mix, knowing this is a unique device. If an upgraded version hits the market too soon,, it will significantly diminish the value of the Original Mix. Moreover, we may not see much in terms of development if the interest for this device goes down too soon. And considering Xiaomi isn't very good at releasing kernel sources, we may even be on Marshmallow for a long long time. And that kinda sucks, especially for people who don't switch phones too often!

Before people start getting too pissed off, bear in mind the sheer volume of fake rumours that surface in relation to Xiaomi handsets - probably more even than for Samsung or Apple.
There's already been the debunked news about the Mi Mix Nano, not to mention the rumoured SD821-toting Mi S that never materialised, the rumours about a Mi 5C that have so far come to naught and a lot of Mi Note 2 rumours that turned out to be incorrect.
For all we know, that's just a test unit for the SD835 Xiaomi are using that's been given some random name - or even a completely faked benchmark.

Step666 said:
Before people start getting too pissed off, bear in mind the sheer volume of fake rumours that surface in relation to Xiaomi handsets - probably more even than for Samsung or Apple.
There's already been the debunked news about the Mi Mix Nano, not to mention the rumoured SD821-toting Mi S that never materialised, the rumours about a Mi 5C that have so far come to naught and a lot of Mi Note 2 rumours that turned out to be incorrect.
For all we know, that's just a test unit for the SD835 Xiaomi are using that's been given some random name - or even a completely faked benchmark.
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Good call all around. :good:
Most of the angst is tongue-in-cheek,most here know how the life cycle of the smartphone scene is in constant change.
Those truly upset would do better to find a hobby that's just as consuming,but,easier on the wallet,or,focus on finding the best in the low-to-midrange segment (Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Pro,OnePlus,etc.....)
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Step666 said:
Before people start getting too pissed off, bear in mind the sheer volume of fake rumours that surface in relation to Xiaomi handsets - probably more even than for Samsung or Apple.
There's already been the debunked news about the Mi Mix Nano, not to mention the rumoured SD821-toting Mi S that never materialised, the rumours about a Mi 5C that have so far come to naught and a lot of Mi Note 2 rumours that turned out to be incorrect.
For all we know, that's just a test unit for the SD835 Xiaomi are using that's been given some random name - or even a completely faked benchmark.
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Good call all around. :good:
Most of the angst is tongue-in-cheek,most here know how the life cycle of the smartphone scene is in constant change.
Those truly upset would do better to find a hobby that's just as consuming,but,easier on the wallet,or,focus on finding the best in the low-to-midrange segment (Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Pro,OnePlus,etc.....)
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Just hoping Xiaomi releases Kernel source for this device. As long as we see some real development for this device, I don't have any problems even if they bring one with Snapdragon 840.
The oneplus 3/3T has some really good ROMs, is based on the same chipset and if we have the source for the Mix, guess we can port a few ROMs. AOSP or CM anyone?

satishp said:
Just hoping Xiaomi releases Kernel source for this device. As long as we see some real development for this device, I don't have any problems even if they bring one with Snapdragon 840.
The oneplus 3/3T has some really good ROMs, is based on the same chipset and if we have the source for the Mix, guess we can port a few ROMs. AOSP or CM anyone?
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Nothing like forced perspective to appreciate the MIX:
1) Just finished setting up my Redmi Note3 Pro & while it's definitely a great device, arguably the best bang for the buck available,it can't hold a candle to the Mix.
2) Same with my Samsung Galaxy Note4,is still a great phone,but,even with its S-Pen/I-R Blaster/expandable storage & removable battery, I'd pick the MIX without any hesitation.The performance/display/battery life are outstanding, exceeding expectations big time.

KOLIOSIS said:
Good call all around. :good:
Most of the angst is tongue-in-cheek,most here know how the life cycle of the smartphone scene is in constant change.
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Don't get me wrong, I completely get how frustrating it is to shell out for something and have it be superceded shortly after, even when you know it's likely to happen.
And should Xiaomi turn around and announce a superior Mi Mix a couple of months after I got mine, I'd be first in line to whine about it.
But having spent something like 10 months last year waiting for a phone I wanted to splash out on, I've come to realise just how low the wheat-to-chaff ratio is with Xiaomi rumours. So I'll hold off on complaining until I know for a fact what's happening
satishp said:
The oneplus 3/3T has some really good ROMs, is based on the same chipset and if we have the source for the Mix, guess we can port a few ROMs. AOSP or CM anyone?
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Each to their own, of course, but for me a huge part of the appeal of the Mi Mix is MIUI - any other ROM would feel like know was losing part of what makes the Mix so great.

OP 5T ??

?? Looks cool
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzGdGHHs0zdxdGZaR3FLcG92cTQ/view?usp=sharing
fingerprint sensor at back another disappointment... op can never get it right
http://geeksnipper.com/oneplus-5t-will-launched-november-20th/6752/

More real estate for screen so FP goes to the back. Trending way for most new phones.

Least this one will come with Oreo and hopefully they give it 2 OS update cycles, unlike the screwjob we got with the 3t

qbanlinxx said:
Least this one will come with Oreo and hopefully they give it 2 OS update cycles, unlike the screwjob we got with the 3t
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Screwjob? The OnePlus 3T came with Android 6.0.1, was updated to Android 7.x, and now Android 8.0 is on beta channel.
6.0.1 -> 7.x -> 8.0
That makes two update cycles.

casual_kikoo said:
Screwjob? The OnePlus 3T came with Android 6.0.1, was updated to Android 7.x, and now Android 8.0 is on beta channel.
6.0.1 -> 7.x -> 8.0
That makes two update cycles.
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Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..

oTeMpLo said:
fingerprint sensor at back another disappointment... op can never get it right
http://geeksnipper.com/oneplus-5t-will-launched-november-20th/6752/
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if this is real, i have to disagree!
before the OP3t i used a nexus 5x, and i quite like the back placement of the fingerprint scanner!

qbanlinxx said:
Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..
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You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted

Hmmm, I'm becoming more of the opinion that my 3T is too big.
I miss having a smaller, 5" say phone.
Bigger screen/same footprint doesn't interest me at all.
There's really nothing on the market that grabs my attention and makes me want to buy it...

With the release of the Oneplus 5T incoming, I'm left questioning the longevity of my Oneplus 3T. You see, my issue is that just a few days back I got pushed around a shopping mall and my phone dropped face first from around chest height. The phone is now having 30% of its screen cracked from the bottom right. Thankfully all the functions still work but looking at the screen is still a pain. My only options are to pay about $120 to buy a replacement screen and have it shipped to my home country (in the middle east) and look for a shop that'll replace and hopefully not damage the device. My only other option is to get a oneplus 5T or use this phone as is until the oneplus 6 comes out and buy that. According to how I buy things, I like to keep my phone for atleast 2 years before I change to a new one, so far it has been only 11 months. So what would you, the community, recommend me to do now that we know that Oneplus will no longer be updating the 3T? Thank you for the advice

RASTAVIPER said:
You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted
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Indeed facts are facts and it is what it is. Yes it is OnePlus fault it shipped with 6.0.1, I didn't make that decision.

endursa said:
if this is real, i have to disagree!
before the OP3t i used a nexus 5x, and i quite like the back placement of the fingerprint scanner!
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Same opinion:good:
But I see no reason to buy the 5T. I'm very happy with my 3T and there will be soon the Oneplus 6

bilal.malik said:
With the release of the Oneplus 5T incoming, I'm left questioning the longevity of my Oneplus 3T. You see, my issue is that just a few days back I got pushed around a shopping mall and my phone dropped face first from around chest height. The phone is now having 30% of its screen cracked from the bottom right. Thankfully all the functions still work but looking at the screen is still a pain. My only options are to pay about $120 to buy a replacement screen and have it shipped to my home country (in the middle east) and look for a shop that'll replace and hopefully not damage the device. My only other option is to get a oneplus 5T or use this phone as is until the oneplus 6 comes out and buy that. According to how I buy things, I like to keep my phone for atleast 2 years before I change to a new one, so far it has been only 11 months. So what would you, the community, recommend me to do now that we know that Oneplus will no longer be updating the 3T? Thank you for the advice
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I switched to Sultan XDA lineage OS. currently running 10/22/17 build with flashed 4.5.1 modem. In the USA on Mint, this is a rock solid ROM which fixed my GPS issues and has VOLTE. wifi calling is disabled. I am not going back to OOS (4.5.0 was the last version on my 3T A3000). Maybe this information will help you make a decision.

qbanlinxx said:
Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..
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Yeah. 8.0 means that we got a year of OS support. It shoulder been more.
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RASTAVIPER said:
You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted
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The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".

devlamania said:
The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".
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Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted

RASTAVIPER said:
Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
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What could be the reason behind that ?

devlamania said:
The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".
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It's sad when you're supporting Apple for having Software Support for their devices >5 Years old, but call Android users "sheep", when you have fanboys supporting Apple for new phones that are similar in design and internal specs [Except the IP8/8+/X], but mark my words, the next few iPhones will be a repeat in all what we like about the recent Apple phones.
As per my knowledge of the definition of Sheep: People who fall in line for repeated and fake ideas without having any reason as to why they're following.
And in all my time of using Android devices, any flagship line of devices have never been repeated in specs and design, unlike *cough* iPhone *cough*. An example : iPhone SE
Sure, OEM's may not support Android devices for long, but for a flagship device, there will always be Custom ROM's. Hell, even my Galaxy S3 has Oreo/Nougat ROM's.
As RASTAVIPER said;
RASTAVIPER said:
Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted
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And continuing on his reply, you don't buy an Android for the repeated OEM updates, you buy it for the community support and the Open Source Features of Android, which allow anyone to build on it.
Want all the updates that Apple provides to their phones? Don't buy a budget device like the 5T for 500$ approx. Go buy an iPhone for double the price if you're all about the OEM support.

thes3usa said:
It's sad when you're supporting Apple for having Software Support for their devices >5 Years old, but call Android users "sheep", when you have fanboys supporting Apple for new phones that are similar in design and internal specs [Except the IP8/8+/X], but mark my words, the next few iPhones will be a repeat in all what we like about the recent Apple phones.
As per my knowledge of the definition of Sheep: People who fall in line for repeated and fake ideas without having any reason as to why they're following.
And in all my time of using Android devices, any flagship line of devices have never been repeated in specs and design, unlike *cough* iPhone *cough*. An example : iPhone SE
Sure, OEM's may not support Android devices for long, but for a flagship device, there will always be Custom ROM's. Hell, even my Galaxy S3 has Oreo/Nougat ROM's.
As RASTAVIPER said;
And continuing on his reply, you don't buy an Android for the repeated OEM updates, you buy it for the community support and the Open Source Features of Android, which allow anyone to build on it.
Want all the updates that Apple provides to their phones? Don't buy a budget device like the 5T for 500$ approx. Go buy an iPhone for double the price if you're all about the OEM support.
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I'm an apple fanboy ? Holy cow, I didn't know that myself. Thanks for clarifying o greatest of all. Lol.
If you say that people's dedication towards nation in North Korea is awesome doesn't make you a NK fanboy. If you can't say what's good for what it is, then shame on you and shame on you for trying to shut me from saying that.
I'm tired of you people tagging - oh he's a Nvidia fanboy, oh he's an amd fanboy. I'm a consumer. A "consumer".
And here you go spitting venom about this and that aspect of apple and Android. Yo, I'm talking about software support here !! I'm not taking side of apple or android which your blockhead clearly missed out. But that's okay. It's your life, it's your money and it's your choice.
But what really is interesting is, I spoke about apple being good about software updates and you lost your mind !! And readily assumed me to be an apple user in xda. That's cool ... That's cool. A sheep is a sheep. Whether it's an android user or apple. Anyway, good day to you.

devlamania said:
I'm an apple fanboy ? Holy cow, I didn't know that myself. Thanks for clarifying o greatest of all. Lol.
If you say that people's dedication towards nation in North Korea is awesome doesn't make you a NK fanboy. If you can't say what's good for what it is, then shame on you and shame on you for trying to shut me from saying that.
I'm tired of you people tagging - oh he's a Nvidia fanboy, oh he's an amd fanboy. I'm a consumer. A "consumer".
And here you go spitting venom about this and that aspect of apple and Android. Yo, I'm talking about software support here !! I'm not taking side of apple or android which your blockhead clearly missed out. But that's okay. It's your life, it's your money and it's your choice.
But what really is interesting is, I spoke about apple being good about software updates and you lost your mind !! And readily assumed me to be an apple user in xda. That's cool ... That's cool. A sheep is a sheep. Whether it's an android user or apple. Anyway, good day to you.
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I'd like you to re-read my reply, and check where I called you an Apple fanboy or even an Apple user. I clearly stated that you calling Android users sheep is funny when Apple fanboys are sheep for a repeated device. I have NOT called you an Apple fanboy nor have I called you an Apple product consumer. Please do go re-read if you still think so.
Throwing insults around like a child? Do go on, because I never "spat venom" at any clarification or any idea you stated, and I did not "lose my mind", I was speaking in a calm and cool way, unlike you who had the audacity to insult me, when I didn't even say anything to offend you in the first place. If you misread or misunderstood my reply, that's not my problem, it's your problem.
Well, if you speak and think like this on any forum, no wonder you're disappointed how the community helps you or treats you. You don't even have your facts straight yet, OEM's don't support their devices readily with the newest OS updates, but they do update even their older devices with important security updates, I.E.: OnePlus rolling out the KRACK vulnerability fix to the OP2.
And frankly speaking, I deem it viable for Apple to release updates for their older devices, when you spend an absurd amount on even an older device. Overly expensive=Good after sales support and OTA's
But you want a budget flagship killer company(OnePlus) to;
1. Make powerful devices that are at budget prices
2. Support the device and older devices for a time period of 5 years.
3. Keep releasing newer and newer devices with updated hardware, while doing #2
You think that all the staff, manufacturing and running costs run on Air, but they got to keep their lights running. If it's a company like Apple who price their devices at absurd prices and have no price depreciation for a couple of years, yes they should give OTA's for a long time.
You don't take anything into consideration, but only the fact that it needs to keep you happy and at a low price.
Quoting @RASTAVIPER ; Go buy an iPhone, because Android OEM's release OTA's for the time period of that device. When they've completed their OTA stages for the flagship, we have an amazing community to support each other, unlike Apple who keep their devices locked down, so they HAVE to give OS updates.
Keep throwing childish insults at anyone who argues with you on XDA or any other forum, and see if anyone will be happy to help you.
Also, if it didn't get through to you, I did not call you an Apple fanboy, and neither did I involve anything so personally condemning for you to insult me.
Definition of sheeple (Sheep of Apple)
informal
: people who are docile, compliant, or easily influenced

Seriously so much false flag in this thread its insane... Android phones would have 5 year updates if people would not want a "new" phone every six months. Simple
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What's your ETA for the Android O update?

So, a few sources say that our devices will receive the Android O update very soon and to pass the time, why not share our expected or assumed OTA roll-out dates? I think that we will receive the update by the end of this month. What about you?

Agreed. I think they will probably release a rollback package or something like that with the original firmware to go along with it (7.0).

Here Are The Facts..
Soapy! said:
Sources say that our devices will receive the Android O update very soon?
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https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-oreo-emui-8-pro-9i-7x/
Have Patience...
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They've said Q1, I'll go with February

entirely irrelevant.... it's coming
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Hua...o-Honor-8-Lite-Honor-9i-and-Honor-7X_id101611

Thanks a lot

optionalmgrr.la said:
entirely irrelevant.... it's coming
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Hua...o-Honor-8-Lite-Honor-9i-and-Honor-7X_id101611
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It's ironic how you say this topic is irrelevant when you only reply with, "it's coming" which indicates absolutely nothing. This is a thread for everyone's expected ETA as the official rollout date is still unannounced. On another note, hopefully I won't deal with dense users like I did on the Le 2 forums, shudders.
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It's coming along with face unlock
Hope camera is tweek'd as well very dull
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From everything that I've read and taking Honor's past into consideration I think we may have to wait until March, which makes little to sense to me.
Why isn't Honor putting a little more effort into marketing this device? I've bought a half a dozen so far, primarily for friends that were still using phones from 3-5 years ago. They all love it and of course, coming from older devices, they feel like this device is a flagship!
Only real thing I miss is NFC, but my watch has it. 2.4 GHz is what I use for everything but my video streaming devices. I really could care less it still has a MicroUSB port.

badmark said:
From everything that I've read and taking Honor's past into consideration I think we may have to wait until March, which makes little to sense to me.
Why isn't Honor putting a little more effort into marketing this device? I've bought a half a dozen so far, primarily for friends that were still using phones from 3-5 years ago. They all love it and of course, coming from older devices, they feel like this device is a flagship!
Only real thing I miss is NFC, but my watch has it. 2.4 GHz is what I use for everything but my video streaming devices. I really could care less it still has a MicroUSB port.
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Your Comments Caught My Eye...
You seem to be a very Nice and Thoughtful friend.. To purchased not only 1 of these devices for yourself.. but to gift over $1,200.00 U.S.D. / 985 EURO's to friends to update their devices.. is truly a friend indeed :good:
Since you are obviously a man of means... what brought you to this budget device in the Honor 7X ?
It's certainly not the fastest..
Or.. has the best display...
Or.. the most RAM..
Why not the View 10, Huawei Mate 10 Pro, One Plus 5T, Pixel, S8, Note 8 ???
What brought a man of your means to the Honor 7X.. I'm really curious to know if you don't mind sharing..

As a software developer I own a plethora of devices and usually carry a minimum of 2 devices. Generally I am very conscious of the condition of my devices and despite the fact the majority of them never leave an office environment, they are all plastered in screen protectors and cases, it seems like they become more fragile every year. The S8 has been my secondary to my Pixel XL 2 since I got it, but as soon as I received the Honor 7X I put the S8 in the drawer. The 7X runs naked and I'm not worried about dropping it. It has enough of what I need. I run package Disabler and remove most of EMUI and Huawei's bloat, with Pixel launcher installed, I have a very close to stock Android on a rugged unit that's as tough as a 90s Nokia!