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AOSP on GS2

Hello
The main reason i sold GS1 was TouchWiz, i love Samsung's hardware but not so much the software. What are the chances of getting AOSP like CM7 on GS2?, or would it be as painful as GS1? which still dosent have a stable AOSP ROM as far as i know
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ragiut1 said:
Hello
The main reason i sold GS1 was TouchWiz, i love Samsung's hardware but not so much the software. What are the chances of getting AOSP like CM7 on GS2?, or would it be as painful as GS1? which still dosent have a stable AOSP ROM as far as i know
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We wont know until the device is released... CM7 was never released for the SGS so it might be touch and go;( But its my belief that if the bootloader can be unlocked or hacked then CM7 will support it... Its gonna be too much of a big phone not to support
JD

Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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Funkym0nkey said:
Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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That's the USP for you.
For me, it's the hardware: thin, sleek, light. Dual-core. HDMI (or equivalent) +++ Unlockable boot-loader.
The hardware of the rival phones isn't as good and, quite a few manufacturers are in full lock-down mode these days.

Well, that was my thought exactly, that removing Touchwiz will remove all of the cool features and application support. To perhaps better serve your needs, it would be cooler to swap the launcher as suggested by many wise people here. This will give you a better UX while retaining the app support.

JupiterDroid said:
We wont know until the device is released... CM7 was never released for the SGS so it might be touch and go;( But its my belief that if the bootloader can be unlocked or hacked then CM7 will support it... Its gonna be too much of a big phone not to support
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SGS's bootloader isnt locked, and yet there is no stable AOSP ROM around

Funkym0nkey said:
Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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I'm still not sure if i'll buy it, as for the so called "critical functionality", i would happily give them up and get rid of the crapware that i dont need, and head for the market for added functionality.

Well, since it is Android, you are more than welcome to do so. Although, more than the critical functionality, the features you are PAYING for are being stripped away. It would be better that you find a Rom that adds these features (motion sensing, etc.) while removing the "Crapware" from the device.

Even if the SGS doesn't have a fully functional cyanogenmod, it has lot's of ROM's that remove touchwiz and crapware.
And CM7 is closer than ever from being stable on SGS, and there's actually a MIUI beta. I would say that the SGS2 will have a good dev support and we'll have a lot of choices in ROM's.
If not, there's always launchers like ADW, launcherpro, Regina...
That should be the least of your worries.

ragiut1 said:
SGS's bootloader isnt locked, and yet there is no stable AOSP ROM around
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If you read my post it doesn't say at any point that the SGS bootloader is locked I dont think the SGS was supported due to its many faults;/
Cheers...
JD

JupiterDroid said:
If you read my post it doesn't say at any point that the SGS bootloader is locked I dont think the SGS was supported due to its many faults;/
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Got u
Thank you and everyone else for ur input

ragiut1 said:
I'm still not sure if i'll buy it, as for the so called "critical functionality", i would happily give them up and get rid of the crapware that i dont need, and head for the market for added functionality.
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You are paying heavy premium for these features.
With AOSP, you will lose all proprietary samsung apps and features. That includes codecs, Media player post processing functionality and probably MHL functionality.
Also all Samsung drivers will be lost that mean lots of work for developers to get camera working right, bluetooth, wifi working right.
By the time ASOP which is actually usable comes out, it will be time for next generation hardware.

i was wishing for the ability to use bt joypads to play me some emus but i guess its a no go then

Funkym0nkey said:
You are paying heavy premium for these features.
With AOSP, you will lose all proprietary samsung apps and features. That includes codecs, Media player post processing functionality and probably MHL functionality.
Also all Samsung drivers will be lost that mean lots of work for developers to get camera working right, bluetooth, wifi working right.
By the time ASOP which is actually usable comes out, it will be time for next generation hardware.
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that's a good point
i hope samsung will release the drivers

I'd also much rather have an AOSP build, as I just don't like any of the custom overlays, never mind the included bloat- and crapware. Heck, if I had anything to say Android phones would ship without an OS and there'd be a ton (metric, of course) of distribution to choose from.
And no, we're not paying a premium for these "features", since one cannot buy the same (or even similar) hardware without them, for less.

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I'd also much rather have an AOSP build, as I just don't like any of the custom overlays, never mind the included bloat- and crapware. Heck, if I had anything to say Android phones would ship without an OS and there'd be a ton (metric, of course) of distribution to choose from.
And no, we're not paying a premium for these "features", since one cannot buy the same (or even similar) hardware without them, for less.
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But then that would require some standardization. Or every phone maker will have to issue set of drivers that users will have to bake themselves into the rom before flashing the same.
I dont think phone industry is or will be ready for that any time soon.
And you are paying for everything that comes on phone whether you like it or not. Everything costs something and it comes out of your pocket (or Samsung on some parts for superiority claims ).
AOSP usually rolls out faster for HTC phones (most of which share same DNA inside ) or sister devices of Google devices as its much easier.
Expecting AOSP for something as heavily modified as Galaxy S range quickly is unrealistic.
If your beef is against just TWUI launcher, its relatively easy to roll back to stock android launcher by just defaulting to stock android home (easy to do from Manage Applications ).

Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
I used CM7 for about an hour before I sorely missed the Samsung Contacts, Camera, Calculator, Dialer and Calendar.
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MikeyMike01 said:
Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
I used CM7 for about an hour before I sorely missed the Samsung Contacts, Camera, Calculator, Dialer and Calendar.
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I have no objection to touchwiz myself, except for one thing: I get REALLY excited by the innovations Google brings with each new version of Android. Owning the nexus 1 was/is amazing from that perspective. Every new, brilliant feature, is instantly yours.
Having said that, I like some of the new things Samsung are doing with their skin. I like the gyroscope actions and the resizeable widgets.
I guess what I want is a Nexus S2
I'm going to wait until after Google I/O to see if rumours of a new Nexus surface. If not, it'll be the Galaxy S2 for me. It is a beautiful device.

peadarog said:
I have no objection to touchwiz myself, except for one thing: I get REALLY excited by the innovations Google brings with each new version of Android. Owning the nexus 1 was/is amazing from that perspective. Every new, brilliant feature, is instantly yours.
Having said that, I like some of the new things Samsung are doing with their skin. I like the gyroscope actions and the resizeable widgets.
I guess what I want is a Nexus S2
I'm going to wait until after Google I/O to see if rumours of a new Nexus surface. If not, it'll be the Galaxy S2 for me. It is a beautiful device.
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Even if the phone runs stock Android, you're still not guaranteed updates.
Honestly the whole update thing is a mess anyway.
Samsung provided Gingerbread for the i9000 already, so they have a good track record on updates.
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MikeyMike01 said:
Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
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Well, to each his own. But that's what I like about Android - choice. There's something for everyone.
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Even if the phone runs stock Android, you're still not guaranteed updates.
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That's true. The only thing stock does in that respect is make updates a little easier.
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Samsung provided Gingerbread for the i9000 already, so they have a good track record on updates.
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You're right about the GB update, even though it was pulled again, but their track record is still pretty bad. Let's all hope it isn't just a fluke.
Bottom line is that most phone vendors care about selling new hardware, for them, updates are a mixed blessing. Too few and nobody will buy their current phones, too many and nobody will want to buy the new model.

Need your thoughts & opinions...

A little background first. VZW is my only option due to my line being a corporate line. Roughly a year and a half ago, I got fed up with the crappy phone choices (only blackberry at the time), so I just started buying my own and calling the 3rd party service that runs our wireless operations and telling them "I just got a new phone, could you please do an ESN swap?". That has always worked. Recently, the phone choices have gotten much better and include a variety of BB, Android and iOS devices now. Over the last few years I've gone from DINC (personal device I had since it first came out) to blackberry to DINC2 to iPhone4 to currently the Razr M. Now with SIM cards it's super easy for me to use whatever device I prefer.
Here's my current "dilemma". I have a retail Razr M (which I picked up shortly after release). Definitely loving this phone and couldn't be more happy to be back on Android after a brief hiatus to iOS. Had to give it try. Big believer in "you can't bash something without trying it". But damn iOS gets boring fast. Ha! I was excited about the M due to it's smaller footprint AND high end internals. The only thing I don't like is the locked bootloader. I was quite the crack flasher with my DINC and DINC2. The locked bootloader has led me to have interest in the S3. But I've always had an aversion to large screen phones. I like to be able operate my phone one handed. So now I have a brand new S3 sitting on my desk and I'm unsure what to do with it. I'm really enjoying my M and Jelly Bean is (almost officially) here. But I'm very interested in some CM10 or AOKP. I definitely prefer the AOSP stuff.
So the question is, do I continue my "don't bash it without trying it" theory and move over to the S3 for some AOSP love??? Or stick with the M and live with whatever fate that lies ahead?? I can only keep one. Will sell the other.
(sorry for the novel)

hokieputter said:
A little background first. VZW is my only option due to my line being a corporate line. Roughly a year and a half ago, I got fed up with the crappy phone choices (only blackberry at the time), so I just started buying my own and calling the 3rd party service that runs our wireless operations and telling them "I just got a new phone, could you please do an ESN swap?". That has always worked. Recently, the phone choices have gotten much better and include a variety of BB, Android and iOS devices now. Over the last few years I've gone from DINC (personal device I had since it first came out) to blackberry to DINC2 to iPhone4 to currently the Razr M. Now with SIM cards it's super easy for me to use whatever device I prefer.
Here's my current "dilemma". I have a retail Razr M (which I picked up shortly after release). Definitely loving this phone and couldn't be more happy to be back on Android after a brief hiatus to iOS. Had to give it try. Big believer in "you can't bash something without trying it". But damn iOS gets boring fast. Ha! I was excited about the M due to it's smaller footprint AND high end internals. The only thing I don't like is the locked bootloader. I was quite the crack flasher with my DINC and DINC2. The locked bootloader has led me to have interest in the S3. But I've always had an aversion to large screen phones. I like to be able operate my phone one handed. So now I have a brand new S3 sitting on my desk and I'm unsure what to do with it. I'm really enjoying my M and Jelly Bean is (almost officially) here. But I'm very interested in some CM10 or AOKP. I definitely prefer the AOSP stuff.
So the question is, do I continue my "don't bash it without trying it" theory and move over to the S3 for some AOSP love??? Or stick with the M and live with whatever fate that lies ahead?? I can only keep one. Will sell the other.
(sorry for the novel)
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I'd say stick with the phone you like better. Yesterday I was analyzing what I'm missing without root (I'm on team EOS 3.0 on my Xoom) and I couldn't really come up with much. One of the biggest pluses: WiFi tethering, now can be done with any app on verizon because of that lawsuit. Other than that, TiBu is a loss, and maybe some OCing and performance but I mean I loaded up the phone and its still buttery smooth with good battery. Definitely the interface modding and some fun bells and whistles are missing without custom rom but it doesn't really add up to much.
The s3 is gigantic and more expensive. I'm happy with my choice.
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Unfortunately, the two phones you've chosen represent opposite ends of the "experience spectrum" - so personal preference is going to play a big part. The only real thing the S3 has over the M that's not subjective is a better camera, and 2gb of ram vs. 1. The rest will depend on your preferences. Yes, the S3 will have more dev support. But the M won't be without it, either - root should be closer, though not guaranteed, based on a comment by P3 last night - but obviously rooting and romming are not always correlated.

Dyelon said:
I'd say stick with the phone you like better. Yesterday I was analyzing what I'm missing without root (I'm on team EOS 3.0 on my Xoom) and I couldn't really come up with much. One of the biggest pluses: WiFi tethering, now can be done with any app on verizon because of that lawsuit. Other than that, TiBu is a loss, and maybe some OCing and performance but I mean I loaded up the phone and its still buttery smooth with good battery. Definitely the interface modding and some fun bells and whistles are missing without custom rom but it doesn't really add up to much.
The s3 is gigantic and more expensive. I'm happy with my choice.
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I agree the S3 is gigantic. I also was trying to come up with things I miss by not having root and couldn't really come up with much that seemed overly important. All were smaller bells and whistles type things. Blur on this phone is very minimal, which I like and is a big plus (for me). I'm really enjoying the M. And love the size. I too am having a smooth experience with pretty solid battery life. No issues whatsoever thus far. Best bet is to probably stick with the M. I got a good deal on the S3 and should have no trouble getting back what I paid, maybe more.
Plus, I've been wanting a Nexus 7...

jntdroid said:
Unfortunately, the two phones you've chosen represent opposite ends of the "experience spectrum" - so personal preference is going to play a big part. The only real thing the S3 has over the M that's not subjective is a better camera, and 2gb of ram vs. 1. The rest will depend on your preferences. Yes, the S3 will have more dev support. But the M won't be without it, either - root should be closer, though not guaranteed, based on a comment by P3 last night - but obviously rooting and romming are not always correlated.
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Yes, they are definitely very different experiences. My preference has always been for smaller, easily pocketable phones. Which exactly describes the M. I don't need/want a tablet in my pocket.
I agree about the camera, but overall the M hasn't really let me down. Sure it would be nice to have a better camera, but it's not a deal breaker for me. You just have to know the limitations that you're working with. And the extra ram would be nice too. But not sure either are worth giving up the form factor that I prefer.
And I have been following the dev support of the M closely as well. I saw the comments by P3 and his team. They are very promising. And definitely helping to influence my ultimate decision. Honestly, I don't really need (or want) to be able to flash billions of roms. Just looking for a (close to) stock experience that is snappy, fully functional and bug free. Which is what I've got right now with the M. Still running the stock ICS, have not updated to the JB leak.
(I think I'm confirming my gut feelings / answering my own questions as this thread moves along... Thanks for the dialogue)

The simplest choice would seem to be ordering a Developer Edition RAZR M. If you really like the M but want the ability to fiddle, that's your route. There are already recovery and root images available for it and I think the devs will be supporting it for a while especially since the RAZR HD and HD MAXX are also running the same internals.
As for the SGSIII - Verizon is the only carrier that doesn't sell it with an unlocked bootloader so technically you'd need to buy the developer edition of that to get what you want anyway.
Neither the RAZR M nor the SGSIII Dev Editions are available via Verizon subsidized contracts.
Personally I think Sammy missed the boat. If the SGSIII Mini did what the RAZR did (same internals with smaller screen) they might have won me over, but they really skimped on the thing. What a shame.
Just my $.02.
I'm a runner and a cyclist, so the smaller the better which is why I loved my Atrix 4G (which is now running JB). The RAZR M is a narrower phone with a bigger screen. It's great to simply stow and go.

Well, now that the M has root, I think your decision is a lot easier. I would say that seeing CM9 and/or 10 is a likely bet. However, the problem now is that anything after that may not run optimally, since the bootloader is still locked and we won't be able to run a kernel optimized for the newest version. That's the problem with my Pro. Somebody ported CM9 and an AOKP ICS ROM for it, and while it does run, it's not as good as it could be. We're still stuck on the Gingerbread kernel.

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Well, now that the M has root, I think your decision is a lot easier. I would say that seeing CM9 and/or 10 is a likely bet. However, the problem now is that anything after that may not run optimally, since the bootloader is still locked and we won't be able to run a kernel optimized for the newest version. That's the problem with my Pro. Somebody ported CM9 and an AOKP ICS ROM for it, and while it does run, it's not as good as it could be. We're still stuck on the Gingerbread kernel.
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I'm really hoping we can bust the M open over the next year or so =/
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mk1151 said:
The simplest choice would seem to be ordering a Developer Edition RAZR M. If you really like the M but want the ability to fiddle, that's your route. There are already recovery and root images available for it and I think the devs will be supporting it for a while especially since the RAZR HD and HD MAXX are also running the same internals.
As for the SGSIII - Verizon is the only carrier that doesn't sell it with an unlocked bootloader so technically you'd need to buy the developer edition of that to get what you want anyway.
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Verizon's bootloader can be unlocked with a single app from the play store. Super easy. The development on the S3 phone has been amazing thus far - currently on Liquid Smooth. I'm also considering switching to a smaller phone however and the M seems to be the only phone that's small with power. Following rooting and modding very closely on this phone before making the switch as I have gotten used to all the aokp+CM10 mods in the many S3 roms I've flashed.
You make an excellent point about the Razr HD and HD Maxx, I hope that helps this phone in the mod scene.

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Verizon's bootloader can be unlocked with a single app from the play store. Super easy.
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That's why I said "technically"
But I do agree it is easier on the SGSIII. Part of that is that HTC and Samsung have not taken the time to build system safeguards into their products the way Motorola has.
Browser vendors take pride in the headaches they cause to hackers trying to find vulnerabilities. Handset manufacturers, IMO, should be thinking the same way. With all the personal data on your phone, do you really want to be able to unlock it and obtain root from an app in the Play Store?
This is one of the reasons I like Motorola devices, despite the very limited flexibility.

mk1151 said:
The simplest choice would seem to be ordering a Developer Edition RAZR M. If you really like the M but want the ability to fiddle, that's your route. There are already recovery and root images available for it and I think the devs will be supporting it for a while especially since the RAZR HD and HD MAXX are also running the same internals.
As for the SGSIII - Verizon is the only carrier that doesn't sell it with an unlocked bootloader so technically you'd need to buy the developer edition of that to get what you want anyway.
Neither the RAZR M nor the SGSIII Dev Editions are available via Verizon subsidized contracts.
Personally I think Sammy missed the boat. If the SGSIII Mini did what the RAZR did (same internals with smaller screen) they might have won me over, but they really skimped on the thing. What a shame.
Just my $.02.
I'm a runner and a cyclist, so the smaller the better which is why I loved my Atrix 4G (which is now running JB). The RAZR M is a narrower phone with a bigger screen. It's great to simply stow and go.
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The M is my first ever Motorola device. It's also my first device running ICS or JB (there were a few of us on here that had issues running ICS on our DINC2s). Spent a little time messing around installing the JB leak and flashing back to stock just to get used to using the stock recovery, fastboot etc. With wifi tether now working on the stock ROM and the ability to disable bloatware in ICS/JB, combined with the very minimal Blur skin, I don't really see the need to root this device right away. Plus, you really can't do everything you'd want to do without an unlockable bootloader. So I agree, the Developer Edition is the way to go if you want to ultimately fiddle with things at some point down the road. May have to pick one up at some point.
Couldn't agree more on Sammy missing the boat. The SG3 Mini would have won me over too if they hadn't watered it down. Maybe we'll see a slightly improved device ending up on VZW? I presume it will eventually come to VZW. Does that SoC they're using even support LTE? Who knows. Maybe wishful thinking. I love the M anyway. But it's always nice to have more options to consider.

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With all the personal data on your phone, do you really want to be able to unlock it and obtain root from an app in the Play Store?
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Good point. I don't..

I've definitely made my decision (which was realistically already made, just need to confirm). Let me know if you know anyone looking for a brand new blue SG3.

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Good point. I don't..
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Well plenty of people have done it. Check the forums over there. There are other applications that can do it for u on your own pc if u wanted too. Just saying it's available now. Plus doesn't rooting your phone technically make it a little less secure anyway? That's what blizzards authenticator has lead me to believe Haha. But the point was a locked bootloader isn't end of the line.
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Flashoholic Depression (the need to flash)

Well I have to say, or rather share my depression from the lack of custom ROMS, zip, zilch, nada...
Since selling my Nexus 5, I've been checking the forums on this device more then I care to admit, hoping I see some [ROM] tags start to pop up on topics, I feel like i'm going through a withdraw, and a sudden withdraw, it's hard...
I don't even have a reason to root, other then trying to get some apps to work, couple that with the idea that unlocking bootloader on my Moto X 2014 Pure Edition feels like i'm doing something wrong, the act of doing that somehow downgrades the device, despite the device not loosing warranty...
Last concern is that flashing a custom recovery, and/or unrooting, updating OTA's, and flashing in general feels still untested/dangerous on this device.
I feel hopeless, I feel like I want to get the OnePlus One, and sell this device - The OPO Is so much cheaper, so much more for the money, plus it's got a TON of ROMs for it!.

Nexus 4 owner here. I feel ya! But this phone is as close to perfect as we can get. The only thing that bothers me is that we have to choose between moto display or ambient display. Imagine ambient display working with the sensors. So many possibilities with this phone. Maybe the dev section will blossom soon.

Yeah the dev support for both Moto Xs has been pretty scarce. I used to flash A LOT on my old HTC last year but I finally settled down with Paranoid Android. I'm rooted but there's no urge to flash for me mainly because of how barebones lollipop roms are. It's funny & a bit disheartening to be honest that my 2 year old device has multiple lollipop roms though :/

I come from a S3 [i9300] and I know the feel!! My External SD Card was filled only with CWM Backups / Titanium Backups and a range of roms
Had a 16 GB external SD card + 16 internal.. Don't miss the storage but yes do miss the flashing of the ROMs

TopazUser1 said:
Nexus 4 owner here. I feel ya! But this phone is as close to perfect as we can get. The only thing that bothers me is that we have to choose between moto display or ambient display. Imagine ambient display working with the sensors. So many possibilities with this phone. Maybe the dev section will blossom soon.
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Ambient Display is nice, I love it.
Was never a big fan of moto display, maybe if it was a bit more interesting, maybe if they did some more design to it to update it a bit, I would totally looooove if they did something with it that looks like the b&w side of this one
Or did something interesting with rendering the background dimly of the phone
Sorry Phandroid, I took an image of yours and used it to illustrate an idea.

Shemploo said:
I feel hopeless, I feel like I want to get the OnePlus One, and sell this device - The OPO Is so much cheaper, so much more for the money, plus it's got a TON of ROMs for it!.
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I feel exactly like you!
I'm happy of the device (it works very well) but I need something to flash...I need it!!!

Shemploo said:
Well I have to say, or rather share my depression from the lack of custom ROMS, zip, zilch, nada...
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If you're unhappy with the lack of custom ROMs you could always learn how to develop and get the ball rolling. There are plenty of resources available.

I used to have the Moto G before this beast and I am more than happy. In my old G I used to flash Roms every week but that was more for the lack of performance and sensors. Now I am with moto X 1097 and I converted it to 1095 and I have to say: that's all I need. I hope with time developers will surprise us with some great things but by now this phone is close to perfect

Shemploo said:
Well I have to say, or rather share my depression from the lack of custom ROMS, zip, zilch, nada...
Since selling my Nexus 5, I've been checking the forums on this device more then I care to admit, hoping I see some [ROM] tags start to pop up on topics, I feel like i'm going through a withdraw, and a sudden withdraw, it's hard...
I don't even have a reason to root, other then trying to get some apps to work, couple that with the idea that unlocking bootloader on my Moto X 2014 Pure Edition feels like i'm doing something wrong, the act of doing that somehow downgrades the device, despite the device not loosing warranty...
Last concern is that flashing a custom recovery, and/or unrooting, updating OTA's, and flashing in general feels still untested/dangerous on this device.
I feel hopeless, I feel like I want to get the OnePlus One, and sell this device - The OPO Is so much cheaper, so much more for the money, plus it's got a TON of ROMs for it!.
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Interesting... I think that the main reason why there are no roms is that almost everyone that has this phone is more than happy with the features we have. I used to be like that too. When I first got my first moto x I thought it was absurd not having roms for it. Then I started noticing how fast the phone was and I found that most of the stuff I looked for on roms (improved performance and no bloatware) was already there! Same goes for the new x. Between lollipop and moto software I really see no point.
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juliospinoza said:
I used to have the Moto G before this beast and I am more than happy. In my old G I used to flash Roms every week but that was more for the lack of performance and sensors. Now I am with moto X 1097 and I converted it to 1095 and I have to say: that's all I need. I hope with time developers will surprise us with some great things but by now this phone is close to perfect
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I'm hoping what I did with my note 3 doesn't happen to me again..there was 0 development for the first 6 months or so of device release and I sold it..a month later there were a ton of ROMs available.. That being said I'm happy currently without a ROM..but I am watching the thread in original development closely as he has brought some great cm ROMs to devices that weren't supported in the past

I grew tired of flashing ROMs years ago. The Moto X is super refreshing in that it is perfect the way it is and I don't need to flash a ROM to get it to perform the way I want. Just use Xposed and a couple modules and I am a happy camper.
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_MetalHead_ said:
I grew tired of flashing ROMs years ago. The Moto X is super refreshing in that it is perfect the way it is and I don't need to flash a ROM to get it to perform the way I want. Just use Xposed and a couple modules and I am a happy camper.
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Well. I am in Lollipop and Xposed is not supported. And by far, Android 5 is superior than 4.4. No regrets at all but more development will be appreciated

juliospinoza said:
Well. I am in Lollipop and Xposed is not supported. And by far, Android 5 is superior than 4.4. No regrets at all but more development will be appreciated
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I couldn't disagree more. KitKat is a fully functional finished product whereas Lollipop still has a loooong way to go. I have an L ROM on my N5 and I play with it from time to time. It has its pluses, but KitKat for me is perfect. Especially when you throw Xposed into the mix. To each his own though, you know?
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This is pretty simple - If you miss flashing ROM's sooooo much, sell your Moto X and buy a phone with a big dev community. Problem solved.

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I couldn't disagree more. KitKat is a fully functional finished product whereas Lollipop still has a loooong way to go. I have an L ROM on my N5 and I play with it from time to time. It has its pluses, but KitKat for me is perfect. Especially when you throw Xposed into the mix. To each his own though, you know?
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Def to each his own. I could never see myself going back to 4.4 even with Xposed. Lollipop is so much nicer!

_MetalHead_ said:
I couldn't disagree more. KitKat is a fully functional finished product whereas Lollipop still has a loooong way to go. I have an L ROM on my N5 and I play with it from time to time. It has its pluses, but KitKat for me is perfect. Especially when you throw Xposed into the mix. To each his own though, you know?
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Wow! Nice to see that side. I am IN LOVE with lollipop, i could never use kitkat again. If i had an n5 like you and saw lollipop i coudnt live with my moto x not having it. Then again, to get lollipop on verizon is literally why i bought this phone

I agree 100% with Diesel
For the others with a problem of no ROMS, why not take the time you spent flashing ROMS and learn to develop a new ROM. You will get what you want and make plenty of others happy at the same time. The tools are free and readily available if you search.
Diesel779 said:
This is pretty simple - If you miss flashing ROM's sooooo much, sell your Moto X and buy a phone with a big dev community. Problem solved.
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_MetalHead_ said:
I couldn't disagree more. KitKat is a fully functional finished product whereas Lollipop still has a loooong way to go. I have an L ROM on my N5 and I play with it from time to time. It has its pluses, but KitKat for me is perfect. Especially when you throw Xposed into the mix. To each his own though, you know?
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disagree? sending from an iPhone? :highfive:
Xposed is a great tool for those who want to keep stock and have a taste of developers performance.
Lollipop at soak sucks, but when is official is great. As I said, I love the performance, battery and looks of the new android... and in my old moto G was not the same, even with CM 12
regards my good fellow

juliospinoza said:
disagree? sending from an iPhone? :highfive:
Xposed is a great tool for those who want to keep stock and have a taste of developers performance.
Lollipop at soak sucks, but when is official is great. As I said, I love the performance, battery and looks of the new android... and in my old moto G was not the same, even with CM 12
regards my good fellow
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Yep, sent from an iPhone
I get why everyone likes Lollipop, it's just not for me. At least not yet. I have plenty of experience with it, I just keep going back to KitKat every time.

_MetalHead_ said:
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I get why everyone likes Lollipop, it's just not for me. At least not yet. I have plenty of experience with it, I just keep going back to KitKat every time.
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well, it dependes of the person, I am using Android since 1.6 (Motorola X1, iDen technology) and now, Lollipop for ME is just amazing, maybe I need to use iPhone to see what is the big deal about it :fingers-crossed:

Question: WHY are we not collectively jumping up Samsung's #%& at this point?

I know, I know. No questions in General. But the question is meant to start a discussion/hopefully start a collective of people willing to solve a GENERAL problem (see what I did there? )
Anyway, bad puns aside, on to the point: why are we not? No company likes negative press or even the thought of negative press. We don't like not having AOSP/Vanilla Android ROMs on this beast of a device (not to mention **** battery life, kind of sad theme options in a restricted environment). They need to do is release proper documentation for the Exynos 7 SoC. We're here BECAUSE open-source.
So it brings me back to the question: Why have we not even TRIED to twist Samsung's arm in this respect? The research I've done shows the last time anyone even attempted this was waaaay back in 2012. Seemed like SOME headway was made, but seems like it all just fell off the face of the Earth. This issue transcends the G920/5x models, as Samsung has made it pretty obvious that Exynos will be the SoC of choice going forward. Meaning this sets a precedent where the future of the most popular line of Android devices does not support developing anything but TouchWiz, which stunts the open-source nature of the OS it is built upon, and really invalidates the POINT of buying an Android phone instead of an iPhone. You want to give us TouchWiz, great! They've made amazing improvements to this UI and I'm sure they'll continue polishing it. Again, it's an Android. That's an offering most people will love. We shouldn't be forced to use it.
So. To wrap this up, I will be reaching out to Samsung personally and attempting to source this documentation. I have NO idea what I am doing. It would help immensely if the community would jump into this and help out. The more of us reach out, the louder our voice will be. If they refuse to cooperate, we attack on Twitter, Facebook, etc.

tl;dr - I want AOSP on my Samsung phone. This one and future ones. I know you do too. Let's do something about it.

If we get AOSP we'll loose great camera preformance and some unique Samsung apps (for example I love s planner, it's the cleanest calendar I've ever used), without great camera and some unique features actually nexus devices look better in terms of price, SD support.
That's my opinion why people stick with touchwiz and want to improve it rather than going straight for AOSP.
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They finally need to resolve the ram management on this device.. otherwise touchwiz is fine after debloating it a bit....
And the OS must be optimised.. I don't feel the awesome specs of this device are being making use of..
I used aosp on my S4 but kept on going back to touchwiz because of the Camera and other few things.
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Why not go buy something else instead of starting a negative rant thread? That's the best way to get Samsung's attention. They aren't forcing you to buy their stuff.

It's a matter of preference. Some people, myself included, like touchwiz. Keep in mind, no one is forcing you to buy samsung or any brand for that matter. Respectfully, if you want aosp, you have the choice of buying nexus or gpe's.

I don't really get why people are complaining about the ram issue. The way I multitask is I turn the app into a bubble then open my primary app. It works flawlessly on my side.

On my previous phones, I have tried every sort of AOSP ROM ranging from CM to PA to whatever experimental stuff that came out that day. There was a time where I was running a different ROM every day.
My phones were always unstable, things were not working, crashing all the time. Most of the original features that came with the phone were not working. I finally got tired of it. Since I got this S6, I haven't even rooted it. I'm just running stock and I'm loving it. Everything just works.
Sure the RAM thing is a minor annoyance but nothing major. Apps launch almost instantly anyway. I wouldn't go back to AOSP even if it was possible. I love a using a phone that works 100%.

Jhayzt said:
I don't really get why people are complaining about the ram issue. The way I multitask is I turn the app into a bubble then open my primary app. It works flawlessly on my side.
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how do you do that?

Umm, you swipe from the top most of the app(left or right) down and it will shrink down the app. From there, you can then choose the minimize button so that it turns into a bubble. This will only work for portrait only app.

Wellwhack me with a rusty crowbar didn't know you could do that cheers jhayzt ?

cnutt1 said:
Wellwhack me with a rusty crowbar didn't know you could do that cheers jhayzt ��
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0.0 You have to be kidding me right? I mean, its been there since day one. Its one of my favorite feature that only came with the Note 4 and I'm glad that Samsung brought it to the S6.

Seriously didn't know about it itwill make life much easier, thanks again

cnutt1 said:
Seriously didn't know about it itwill make life much easier, thanks again
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:highfive: Multitasking problem solved.

Yes indeed happy days

Im not a developer myself but I suppose they are going to release some information about exynos 7420 http://howchip.com/ExSOM-7420-eMM.php

Didn't expect to get any replies LOL.
Everyone telling me to get a different phone or to just not buy Samsung to "teach em a lesson," yeah. Samsung doesnt care about $1000 lol.
To me it's about the principle of android vs what Samsung has turned it all into. But I mean to each their own, I just bought the phone for the amazing screen and the way it looks. I planned to install CM from the getgo. I suppose it's on me for not doing my research in regards to ROMs for the phone in the first place.
That howchip link...seriously? They're actually going to do this? HUZZAH!

Huh do you think AOSP roms gonna improve your phone battery life...

yahyoh said:
Huh do you think AOSP roms gonna improve your phone battery life...
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I've always had poor battery performance on AOSP ROMs in comparison to TW based ROMs.

Heke120 said:
Im not a developer myself but I suppose they are going to release some information about exynos 7420 http://howchip.com/ExSOM-7420-eMM.php
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I think that's not enough

dtek60

Ok gang, need to get impressions and tricks and enhancement advice for dtek60.
Hopefully there are more people willing to get this android phone. For the specs I felt this was a steal.

can you run geekbench on your phone and post results? Thanks

Michalko5896 said:
can you run geekbench on your phone and post results? Thanks
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Hey is there another bench mark app ?
Geekbench 4 got some poor ratings

Dtek60 is a good phone but the blackberry os has a lot to be desired. I don't know if blackberry is known to update their os periodically but from what I can tell it's security updates are timely.
So if you are in a market for a decent phone, the dtek60 is a great phone. But it offers very limited options for phone apps i.e. camera app etc. There's not native file explore had to down load a third party app.
It's android vanilla experience to the max. I'd wised there were some nice enhancements like Samsung does with their android os.

kparikh82276 said:
Dtek60 is a good phone but the blackberry os has a lot to be desired. I don't know if blackberry is known to update their os periodically but from what I can tell it's security updates are timely.
So if you are in a market for a decent phone, the dtek60 is a great phone. But it offers very limited options for phone apps i.e. camera app etc. There's not native file explore had to down load a third party app.
It's android vanilla experience to the max. I'd wised there were some nice enhancements like Samsung does with their android os.
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I guess everyone is different. For me the BlackBerry android os is what makes the dtek so much better than the rest. Its almost pure android with some great BlackBerry features such as hub, keyboard, swipe gestures to access apps and productivity tab.
Since I got the dtek50 I've tried many flagship phones only to come back to dtek. This includes galaxy s7(can't stand touchwiz), LG g5 and Sony xperia X performance. All of them are great hardware but I can't use the OS.
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vhl71 said:
I guess everyone is different. For me the BlackBerry android os is what makes the dtek so much better than the rest. Its almost pure android with some great BlackBerry features such as hub, keyboard, swipe gestures to access apps and productivity tab.
Since I got the dtek50 I've tried many flagship phones only to come back to dtek. This includes galaxy s7(can't stand touchwiz), LG g5 and Sony xperia X performance. All of them are great hardware but I can't use the OS.
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I'm actually rethinking the dtek60.
I had it, was in my 30 day period of return so I did return it. But i may reconsider it.
Thanks for the tip.

kparikh82276 said:
I'm actually rethinking the dtek60.
I had it, was in my 30 day period of return so I did return it. But i may reconsider it.
Thanks for the tip.
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Did you end up buying it again?
Funnily enough I ended up buying a google pixel since ingot a good deal on it. Nice phone, but after a day, I ended up selling it as I don't see a huge difference in performance other than camera
So here you go we all underestimate how good the dtek50 is..
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vhl71 said:
Did you end up buying it again?
Funnily enough I ended up buying a google pixel since ingot a good deal on it. Nice phone, but after a day, I ended up selling it as I don't see a huge difference in performance other than camera
So here you go we all underestimate how good the dtek50 is..
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OK, so I ended up getting the LG v20.
I'm very impressed but I think the dtek60 is equally as nice.
So if you have dtek60 then keep it.
If you have LG v20.. Then keep it.... Switching to the other wouldn't be worth it.

if anyone is interested.
Here is the firmware for TCL 950 which, from the outside, looks like Alcatel Idol 4s (also produced by TCL), but the hardware is more like DTEK60 (also produced by TCL).
Maybe it will help someone ...
https://mega.nz/

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