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why doesn't samsung do what us rooted people do?
Our ROMS are usually faster, and more stable than their stock ones... why not use some of the ideas from us and improve on it?
Because they'd loose customers.
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Because they'd loose customers.
Sent from the Bermuda Triangle.
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how would they lose customers if they just improved their software by working with the devs' roms on here?
theres a difference between what we love to do (maximizing our vibrants) and what the set "standard" will be for all people. They have a marketing department and analyze what their customers want, trust me, they know more than you when it comes to sales, after all, that's their main concern.
you'd be surprised how many people think the vibrant is the most amazing phone on earth out of the box, I have many friends who just lose interest if i ever mention any mods they can make because they dont care, they like their safe, warrantied vibrant.
EDIT: Not to mention Master would probably try and sue them
Because not everyone goes for tacky or buggy. I'm speaking for regular consumers when I say these roms here don't cut it. Especially the heavily themed ones. Really horrific... has one actually reached a release status with no serious bugs?
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Because not everyone goes for tacky or buggy. I'm speaking for regular consumers when I say these roms here don't cut it. Especially the heavily themed ones. Really horrific... has one actually reached a release status with no serious bugs?
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thats why i said they can use these and improve it, because i'm sure Samsung knows that with the custom ROMS people are getting better battery life, stable, etc.
why not use their ROMs and improvise it, or work with the DEVS?
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Because not everyone goes for tacky or buggy. I'm speaking for regular consumers when I say these roms here don't cut it. Especially the heavily themed ones. Really horrific... has one actually reached a release status with no serious bugs?
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Obsidian V5, Onyx 4.2, Macnut R14, Nero beta3 and Ginger Clone are pretty bug free. If you have major issues with one of these, you're doing it wrong.
Can you imagine your mother flashing a custom Rom? lol
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Can you imagine your mother flashing a custom Rom? lol
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but im not talking about it being a "custom rom"
if samsung worked on it, and improved it, then it'd be a OFFICIAL ROM.
but i get what your trying to say. haha
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but im not talking about it being a "custom rom"
if samsung worked on it, and improved it, then it'd be a OFFICIAL ROM.
but i get what your trying to say. haha
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What makes you think that Samsung isn't using some of the code that is available or getting input from other devs out/inside of XDA? This is technically an OPEN platform. Where do you think the source for this stuff comes from?
Regardless, from my personal experience dealing with electrronics, once you buy a "new" product you are subsiquently beta testing for the next beta version... This is paradigm of electronic development/ownership.
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What makes you think that Samsung isn't using some of the code that is available or getting input from other devs out/inside of XDA? This is technically an OPEN platform. Where do you think the source for this stuff comes from?
Regardless, from my personal experience dealing with electrronics, once you buy a "new" product you are subsiquently beta testing for the next beta version... This is paradigm of electronic development/ownership.
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I agree with the bolded part.
They might be using some of it, but i mean with the stock, most peopel dont have too much good battery, and some of these ROMS give GREAT battery life, why dont they use that part of the code?
Samsung isn't going to take hacks from XDA. It's not happening nor has it. XDA didn't fix the aGPS, XDA didn't fix much of anything... they take what SAMSUNG gives them and hack it up.
Lagfixes are hacks.
Battery life enhancements aren't rocket science. One bad release with a bug that sucks up battery life doesn't mean they don't know how to optimize their software for the best performance. And you STILL have people saying "my battery life sucks".
I highly doubt all of the roms don't have some random bug in them besides looking horrible.
Unfortunately, Samsung doesn't know how to or is unwilling to release its source. The I9000 source wouldn't even compile. So we are left with hacks and workarounds. They aren't going to integrate that into their OS. One thing to keep in mind about Samsung is that they do quitea bit of business with the worlds largest pirate, China. I honestly believe that they release their source in a way that they technically comply with the GPL, but don't make it easy to clone. My mom worked for Motorola for 30 years before her division was sold off. Moto had what appeared to be a sweet contract in China only to see it undermined by clones of their devices and government indifference to laws.
Unfortunately, they are also going to stick with that hideous iOS knockoff interface as well. I want my phone to look like an Android device, not a flea market clone of an iPhone. I honestly wish i'd done more research on the phone and read the Behold 2 forums before buying the phone. If it wasn't for the devs here, I'd be sporting a N1 or G2.
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most peopel dont have too much good battery
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What statistical evidence do you have to support that contention? I hope you're not basing it on counting forum posts. That would be like sitting in an ER trying to gauge the general population accident rates. Do you know how many Vibrants have been sold, and what actual percentage of users have at least "acceptable" battery life? Same applies to GPS, lag, and every other problem you see posted here. Getting accurate facts about user experiences with a phone is not easy. If we had them I bet a lot of the "mystery" about why Samsung does or doesn't do certain things would be pretty obvious.
How about Grandpa ?
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Can you imagine your mother flashing a custom Rom? lol
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I am old enough to be a grandpa to alot of you punks and I flash, write script, and customize at least once a week.
Some of the other posting in here hit it on the head. The Marketing makes sure people are wow'd by all the useless s#*t software.......... in fact marketing strive to only drive the perception that's all they care about ...that 1st impression is all they care about, once you buy marketing is done... the rest is up to tech from there on...
I've owned alot of phones and this is the best for customizing of all I have owned. Remember, think globally, like Russia, Peru, Papua New Guinea, Chad...... you think these people even know what a ROM is ?
Hello
The main reason i sold GS1 was TouchWiz, i love Samsung's hardware but not so much the software. What are the chances of getting AOSP like CM7 on GS2?, or would it be as painful as GS1? which still dosent have a stable AOSP ROM as far as i know
Peace
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The main reason i sold GS1 was TouchWiz, i love Samsung's hardware but not so much the software. What are the chances of getting AOSP like CM7 on GS2?, or would it be as painful as GS1? which still dosent have a stable AOSP ROM as far as i know
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We wont know until the device is released... CM7 was never released for the SGS so it might be touch and go;( But its my belief that if the bootloader can be unlocked or hacked then CM7 will support it... Its gonna be too much of a big phone not to support
JD
Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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That's the USP for you.
For me, it's the hardware: thin, sleek, light. Dual-core. HDMI (or equivalent) +++ Unlockable boot-loader.
The hardware of the rival phones isn't as good and, quite a few manufacturers are in full lock-down mode these days.
Well, that was my thought exactly, that removing Touchwiz will remove all of the cool features and application support. To perhaps better serve your needs, it would be cooler to swap the launcher as suggested by many wise people here. This will give you a better UX while retaining the app support.
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We wont know until the device is released... CM7 was never released for the SGS so it might be touch and go;( But its my belief that if the bootloader can be unlocked or hacked then CM7 will support it... Its gonna be too much of a big phone not to support
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SGS's bootloader isnt locked, and yet there is no stable AOSP ROM around
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Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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I'm still not sure if i'll buy it, as for the so called "critical functionality", i would happily give them up and get rid of the crapware that i dont need, and head for the market for added functionality.
Well, since it is Android, you are more than welcome to do so. Although, more than the critical functionality, the features you are PAYING for are being stripped away. It would be better that you find a Rom that adds these features (motion sensing, etc.) while removing the "Crapware" from the device.
Even if the SGS doesn't have a fully functional cyanogenmod, it has lot's of ROM's that remove touchwiz and crapware.
And CM7 is closer than ever from being stable on SGS, and there's actually a MIUI beta. I would say that the SGS2 will have a good dev support and we'll have a lot of choices in ROM's.
If not, there's always launchers like ADW, launcherpro, Regina...
That should be the least of your worries.
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If you read my post it doesn't say at any point that the SGS bootloader is locked I dont think the SGS was supported due to its many faults;/
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JD
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If you read my post it doesn't say at any point that the SGS bootloader is locked I dont think the SGS was supported due to its many faults;/
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Got u
Thank you and everyone else for ur input
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I'm still not sure if i'll buy it, as for the so called "critical functionality", i would happily give them up and get rid of the crapware that i dont need, and head for the market for added functionality.
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You are paying heavy premium for these features.
With AOSP, you will lose all proprietary samsung apps and features. That includes codecs, Media player post processing functionality and probably MHL functionality.
Also all Samsung drivers will be lost that mean lots of work for developers to get camera working right, bluetooth, wifi working right.
By the time ASOP which is actually usable comes out, it will be time for next generation hardware.
i was wishing for the ability to use bt joypads to play me some emus but i guess its a no go then
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You are paying heavy premium for these features.
With AOSP, you will lose all proprietary samsung apps and features. That includes codecs, Media player post processing functionality and probably MHL functionality.
Also all Samsung drivers will be lost that mean lots of work for developers to get camera working right, bluetooth, wifi working right.
By the time ASOP which is actually usable comes out, it will be time for next generation hardware.
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that's a good point
i hope samsung will release the drivers
I'd also much rather have an AOSP build, as I just don't like any of the custom overlays, never mind the included bloat- and crapware. Heck, if I had anything to say Android phones would ship without an OS and there'd be a ton (metric, of course) of distribution to choose from.
And no, we're not paying a premium for these "features", since one cannot buy the same (or even similar) hardware without them, for less.
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I'd also much rather have an AOSP build, as I just don't like any of the custom overlays, never mind the included bloat- and crapware. Heck, if I had anything to say Android phones would ship without an OS and there'd be a ton (metric, of course) of distribution to choose from.
And no, we're not paying a premium for these "features", since one cannot buy the same (or even similar) hardware without them, for less.
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But then that would require some standardization. Or every phone maker will have to issue set of drivers that users will have to bake themselves into the rom before flashing the same.
I dont think phone industry is or will be ready for that any time soon.
And you are paying for everything that comes on phone whether you like it or not. Everything costs something and it comes out of your pocket (or Samsung on some parts for superiority claims ).
AOSP usually rolls out faster for HTC phones (most of which share same DNA inside ) or sister devices of Google devices as its much easier.
Expecting AOSP for something as heavily modified as Galaxy S range quickly is unrealistic.
If your beef is against just TWUI launcher, its relatively easy to roll back to stock android launcher by just defaulting to stock android home (easy to do from Manage Applications ).
Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
I used CM7 for about an hour before I sorely missed the Samsung Contacts, Camera, Calculator, Dialer and Calendar.
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Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
I used CM7 for about an hour before I sorely missed the Samsung Contacts, Camera, Calculator, Dialer and Calendar.
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I have no objection to touchwiz myself, except for one thing: I get REALLY excited by the innovations Google brings with each new version of Android. Owning the nexus 1 was/is amazing from that perspective. Every new, brilliant feature, is instantly yours.
Having said that, I like some of the new things Samsung are doing with their skin. I like the gyroscope actions and the resizeable widgets.
I guess what I want is a Nexus S2
I'm going to wait until after Google I/O to see if rumours of a new Nexus surface. If not, it'll be the Galaxy S2 for me. It is a beautiful device.
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I have no objection to touchwiz myself, except for one thing: I get REALLY excited by the innovations Google brings with each new version of Android. Owning the nexus 1 was/is amazing from that perspective. Every new, brilliant feature, is instantly yours.
Having said that, I like some of the new things Samsung are doing with their skin. I like the gyroscope actions and the resizeable widgets.
I guess what I want is a Nexus S2
I'm going to wait until after Google I/O to see if rumours of a new Nexus surface. If not, it'll be the Galaxy S2 for me. It is a beautiful device.
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Even if the phone runs stock Android, you're still not guaranteed updates.
Honestly the whole update thing is a mess anyway.
Samsung provided Gingerbread for the i9000 already, so they have a good track record on updates.
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Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
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Well, to each his own. But that's what I like about Android - choice. There's something for everyone.
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Even if the phone runs stock Android, you're still not guaranteed updates.
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That's true. The only thing stock does in that respect is make updates a little easier.
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Samsung provided Gingerbread for the i9000 already, so they have a good track record on updates.
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You're right about the GB update, even though it was pulled again, but their track record is still pretty bad. Let's all hope it isn't just a fluke.
Bottom line is that most phone vendors care about selling new hardware, for them, updates are a mixed blessing. Too few and nobody will buy their current phones, too many and nobody will want to buy the new model.
Well.. yeah the galaxy is an awesome mobile phone, few doubts about it.
But why stall us all and delay the release of ICS? on december 2011 when I bought the note, I was told that the galaxy nexus has a better OS, but that Gnote should get it soon, therefore I bought it.
Having an outdated OS sucks, or at least it sucks when you expect it to actually update. Maybe nextime when we buy a phone we'll tell samsung that in q1 2012 we'll pay but delay them too.
Other than that, my screen has a decent scratch on it... but it doesn't really bother me, so much for gorilla glass.
Oh and with the new firmwares its impossible to record a call by using sanity. Those audio patches just silent the whole phone instead of allowing sanity to record.
i hope i wont get decent scratches on my gorilla glas :O
but u should be always know that samsung isnt the fastest in updating phones
when getting my galaxy s1 i got the update after 6 months promising that the update will come blabla..
i wont rely on samsungsupport anymore cous we have great developers bringing out better roms then samsung ever can!!
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Well.. yeah the galaxy is an awesome mobile phone, few doubts about it.
But why stall us all and delay the release of ICS? on december 2011 when I bought the note, I was told that the galaxy nexus has a better OS, but that Gnote should get it soon, therefore I bought it.
Having an outdated OS sucks, or at least it sucks when you expect it to actually update. Maybe nextime when we buy a phone we'll tell samsung that in q1 2012 we'll pay but delay them too.
Other than that, my screen has a decent scratch on it... but it doesn't really bother me, so much for gorilla glass.
Oh and with the new firmwares its impossible to record a call by using sanity. Those audio patches just silent the whole phone instead of allowing sanity to record.
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Totally agree with you...but about the call recording issue try to flash non stock rom...
Qvp said:
Well.. yeah the galaxy is an awesome mobile phone, few doubts about it.
But why stall us all and delay the release of ICS? on december 2011 when I bought the note, I was told that the galaxy nexus has a better OS, but that Gnote should get it soon, therefore I bought it.
Having an outdated OS sucks, or at least it sucks when you expect it to actually update. Maybe nextime when we buy a phone we'll tell samsung that in q1 2012 we'll pay but delay them too.
Other than that, my screen has a decent scratch on it... but it doesn't really bother me, so much for gorilla glass.
Oh and with the new firmwares its impossible to record a call by using sanity. Those audio patches just silent the whole phone instead of allowing sanity to record.
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You must understand that its not just Samsung that controls the roll out of the updates, they have to coordinate with operators around the world to roll out any updates because of so much operator specific **** that comes along with the phones.
Yes, Samsung can do better but name one OEM who has done better? HTC? Sony (Ericsson)? Motorola? Its all the same in Android club, sir. Only if you have a Google AOSP phone, you can rely on fast updates.
Begs a question- All competing platforms are calculated and reserved with updates- Why does Google has to release one major
OS release every 6 months? Why can't they have consolidated single annual update cycles?
Anyway, you are at XDA- the motherlode! Why do you wait for official updates when there are several talented devs bringing you top notch releases before OEMs do. Just root it and forget it!
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Well.. yeah the galaxy is an awesome mobile phone, few doubts about it.we all agree
But why stall us all and delay the release of ICS? on december 2011 when I bought the note, I was told that the galaxy nexus has a better OS, but that Gnote should get it soon, therefore I bought it. never buy something for what it might become
Having an outdated OS sucks,95% of android devices outthere actually run GB I wouldn't call tht outdated or at least it sucks when you expect it to actually update. Maybe nextime when we buy a phone we'll tell samsung that in q1 2012 we'll pay but delay them too.Samsung doesn't give credit so i guess you'll stay with your old phone
Other than that, my screen has a decent scratch on it... but it doesn't really bother me, so much for gorilla glass.it seems to bother you if not why inform the world
Oh and with the new firmwares its impossible to record a call by using sanity. Those audio patches just silent the whole phone instead of allowing sanity to record.
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Those are all beta, so not perfect
Ics makes a few tweaks thats all not end of the world so what we have to wait im sorry but the phones is excellent regardless its not like ics will make this phone earth shattingly better it will make stuff all difference in the long run.
I cant wait until they release ics. Because i promise you this we will see this type of thread disappear to be replaced with. "why did samsung release this when it has bugs" or "when do we expect jelly bean" or " "Now we have ics do you think samsung will abandon the note with jellybean"
Im sorry to be negative but the note forum has jsut turned into a whinging forum.
Maybe mods could set up a vent your rant thread as not to over inflate this forum any more than it is
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What does ICS really bring to the table that most note users will really need?
The majority of users are not the ones that frequent XDA. The majority of users
just use the phone as a phone, email & internet device.
The "1%ers" try to squeeze every little bit out of it.
I use around 2400 minutes a month on the phone, 2-300 text messages & around 100-200 emails. No games, no huge amount of data. Maybe 1-2 gig per month.
Personally, I'm holding off on ICS until it's been "official" for a few weeks.
GB is tweaked to the point, at least on my device, that it is fast & stable.
You know ICS will need a few revisions before it is really as stable as GB.
If it wasn't for the "1%ers", I doubt these devices would be as good as they are, but, for the majority of users, I just don't see ICS being that big of a deal.
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Those are all beta, so not perfect
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Hey friedje you're so smart... luck must have sent me here to be enlightened by your ingenious comments.
Let's just review your comments the same way you reviewed mine ok?
1.Never buy something for what it might become-wow! I am really thrilled and honored to see such an amazing sentence, too bad its meaningless. Never buy something for what it might become? *cough* BULL****. An update was supposed to be released by now, an update which is considered to be a cornerstone of android's development, or briefly speaking -a major change to the device.
2.95% of androids run gingerbread, perhaps you're right.. can't tell by the way you pull wisdom out your sleeves but.... galaxy note isn't just a normal android device. If I'm not wrong its Samsung's flagship phone, its pricey.. and promising.
3.That scratch doesn't really bother me... I'm honest. I just wanted to comment on the durability of the gorilla glass, or in fact about the allegedly scratch resistant screen that galaxy note has.
But other than that, nice to see that you blindly stick to your galaxy note, and how certain you are that it is flawless. If I had a company or a business I'd be looking for a worker\customer like you to blindly follow me too.
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sorry I forgot to thank you for pointing out that "Samsung doesn't give credit". Did someone say smart-ass?
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OMG not again... just install a custom rom and enjoy ICS. There are a few that are quite stable with S Memo working....
More *****ing and pissing and moaning I see hey? There are LOTS of these threads already so please stop flooding the board with this OVER AND OVER again!!!
Yet another "fkn samsung where's my update" thread... can't you people just wait a month more ? It's just a software update, it's not like your phone is useless without ICS...
Samsung said you will get ICS and you will, Gorilla said the glass is scratch resistant and it is.
So...You are waiting for ICS and you have discovered scratch resistant is not the same as scratch proof.
You seriously need to lighten up.. its a phone dude, not life and death
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Hey friedje you're so smart... luck must have sent me here to be enlightened by your ingenious comments.
Let's just review your comments the same way you reviewed mine ok?
1.Never buy something for what it might become-wow! I am really thrilled and honored to see such an amazing sentence, too bad its meaningless. Never buy something for what it might become? *cough* BULL****. An update was supposed to be released by now, an update which is considered to be a cornerstone of android's development, or briefly speaking -a major change to the device.
2.95% of androids run gingerbread, perhaps you're right.. can't tell by the way you pull wisdom out your sleeves but.... galaxy note isn't just a normal android device. If I'm not wrong its Samsung's flagship phone, its pricey.. and promising.
3.That scratch doesn't really bother me... I'm honest. I just wanted to comment on the durability of the gorilla glass, or in fact about the allegedly scratch resistant screen that galaxy note has.
But other than that, nice to see that you blindly stick to your galaxy note, and how certain you are that it is flawless. If I had a company or a business I'd be looking for a worker\customer like you to blindly follow me too.
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Maybe not flawless, but at least i'm happy with what i bought in december .
So maybe ICS will make it better or maybe not. Maybe tomorrow or
maybe June 30, no need to whine over a top class phone
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What does ICS really bring to the table that most note users will really need?
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Support for Android 3.x and 4.x apps. DriveMount really cool thing. With DosBox Turbo you can play DOS games with USB or Bluetooth mouse at ICS. And many more 3.x and 4.x great apps...
New many awesome settings, like "Hovering pen icon". It's amazingly cool helping feature, I really like it! Of cause other functions like "Force GPU rendering" and other from Android 4 also very helpful. Windows and transition animation scale settings will make a pleasant view for menus and other animations...
Also ICS is incredibly smooth!
I hope someone will fix Tablet mode for samsung stock ICS roms. AOSP good, but it kills many Note features, like stock camera, hovering pen icon, s planner, s memo and other samsung good things...
you know what? I take it back. both the hostile replies against friedje and the whining about not having ICS.
I was just in a mood to express my opinion after logging in every few weeks to check for an update.
all the best everyone!
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More *****ing and pissing and moaning I see hey? There are LOTS of these threads already so please stop flooding the board with this OVER AND OVER again!!!
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Yes, what a bunch of cry babies. Nothing except google branded phones get updates for crap. This should be common knowledge for anyone on XDA.
OTOH, CM9 is running FLAWLESSLY for me. I don't care about FM radio and w/e the other missing things is, whoopdeedoo.
And screen protectors must cost as much as a phone the way people don't wish to protect a 600 dollar device. Where is the sanity? Not in this solar system.
hey, chill...
dont you see the OP man'd up and apologised?.. he deserves props for that, not an ongoing diatribe.
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Yes, what a bunch of cry babies. Nothing except google branded phones get updates for crap. This should be common knowledge for anyone on XDA.
OTOH, CM9 is running FLAWLESSLY for me. I don't care about FM radio and w/e the other missing things is, whoopdeedoo.
And screen protectors must cost as much as a phone the way people don't wish to protect a 600 dollar device. Where is the sanity? Not in this solar system.
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Does the wakeup lag get fixed with ICS, that's all I'm bothered to know.
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Does the wakeup lag get fixed with ICS, that's all I'm bothered to know.
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It's still there, but it's nowhere near as bad.
I feel like the biggest reason we haven't seen the update is simply incorporating the driver's for the S-Pen and it's related things. Also the Galaxy Note runs at a unique resolution compared to everything else so that will cause some differences. If you've used any of the leaks they're pretty close, but they're still far from what I would consider something that should be released for everyone. I went back to CheckRom for my Note and for GB it runs really good. I was using CM9 which ran great, but I missed having the SPen and related apps as that was part of the reason I got the note. I would love ICS to be released right now, but even with GB the Note is still by far the best phone I've used. I love using my Note with Gingebread and Touchwiz more than using my Galaxy Nexus with 4.0.4
Maybe a general rant, but I am extremely disappointed in Samsung. I bought the Note the day it came out, at top dollar, international version. I was fully expecting a stable ICS update, and much sooner than it came out. But fine, it came out a few months later than I expected it. And ever since the update, it just been downhill. My battery life has gone from 15 hours to 8 hours(same usage profile, same apps), camera freezing, etc. I was running stock.
I have hacked in the past, had an inspire and put ROMs every few weeks, so yes, I can go install better battery stats, and run CPU spy, find out about wakelocks and run CPU spy, and spend a whole bunch of time debugging it, or run AOSP etc. But really, do I have to do this for a device that is 4 months old and is supposedly the "top device" of Samsung? Cant they test the upgrades on their phones in a much better manner? The only thing I miss from my iphone 3G days (since I switched to Android) is the timely, and very well tested updates (and the backup restore of everything, one click, seamless). I never had a problem, and if I did, it was resolved very quickly, usually. I wont go back to iOS again, ever. But I really want an Android other than Nexus (I like TW, I started liking Sense a lot too), and have updates on time, well tested.
Is that really too much to ask? If Samsung is expecting to be a top Android phone manufacturer, is that too much to ask? To be very honest, I am extremely disappointed with Samsung, very very disappointed. I had friends with the S2 who were similarly disappointed, and I was really hoping that things would work better this time around. I guess Ill have to go onto rooting and try different roms, but my point is, I dont have to do all this. Just extremely disappointed with Samsung. I am really hoping Google does something with good with Motorola. Really really hoping.
Same here. Not to mention the superbrick bug which is known for what ... 3 months or so ? Other than Samsung is working on it, nada, zit, zero ... I guess we are lucky for having XDA because without it I'd be stuck with an expensive phone I'm afraid to even update through the official software let alone put roms on ( I thought that was the main strength of Android btw ( extreme mod-ability) ?
I was also considering in buying a tablet, Android tablet, Samsung tablet. Now ? Neh, I will wait and see what the Infinity looks like in the real world and if I don't like that I'll get an iPad. I used to love Samsung but their late attitude is very suggestive : we've got your 600 euro, **** off now.
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Same here. Not to mention the superbrick bug which is known for what ... 3 months or so ? Other than Samsung is working on it, nada, zit, zero ... I guess we are lucky for having XDA because without it I'd be stuck with an expensive phone I'm afraid to even update through the official software let alone put roms on ( I thought that was the main strength of Android btw ( extreme mod-ability) ?
I was also considering in buying a tablet, Android tablet, Samsung tablet. Now ? Neh, I will wait and see what the Infinity looks like in the real world and if I don't like that I'll get an iPad. I used to love Samsung but their late attitude is very suggestive : we've got your 600 euro, **** off now.
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Its just an attitude I cannot condone. I might not like a lot of things about Apple, but they do a very good job with trying to keep up their commitments and making devices( atleast one generation before) that work according to spec. If not, I can walk into a damn store and get it serviced within my warranty. Samsung does nothing. Running contests for best apps and hiring the best developers does not get Samsung anywhere. 700 bucks, and I have a phone which I cannot use a lot without making sure i have a charger around. I dont really knew if Samsung is even reading this, or even if they care(as you said, they have our money now we can **** off), but I am hoping enough people complaining makes some bit of a difference to them to make even current (4 month old users, ****ing insane) a priority and not just go on and do the next exciting thing. If nothing changes in any manufacturer, I might do the unthinkable andmove back to iOS. With two jobs,when do I find time to be sitting and looking at custom roms and wakelocks and preventing incrementing binary counters just to get the battery life I was promised?. Without xda, I would be dead, really, very helpful people who can answer questions and point me in the right direction.
If it just works all day, I might just make the switch back one day. Scr** Samsung.
Well, this is usually what you get with a true multitasking OS. The problem you are having is mainly on usage time (from your description). As Uncle Ben said it, "with great power comes great responsibility". Its Android design problem and not totally Samsung fault in this issue, though there are things that I would like Samsung to fix. For FCs with applications, a factory reset or wiping the application data normally would solve the problem. Again, this is the OS issue. Sigh...
As you can see, most smart phone actually last about 5 hours per charge. You extend the usage time by suspending the phone. The thing is, a multitasking OS allows applications to run in background and those applications might be preventing the phone from getting suspended. If you never install any 3rd party applications on your phone, you won't likely get this problem, thus the reason I quote Uncle Ben. Microsoft learnt this with Windows Mobile, thus Window Phone now works like IOS where applications sent to background are suspended.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not protecting Samsung. If you own a Sony Ericsson, Motorola or HTC, you'll be there in their respective thread renting the same thing.
Just go back to Gingerbread, what's so great about ICS?
Oh boy, not another "samsung sucks, im going to buy apple" thread...
"I was also considering in buying a tablet, Android tablet, Samsung tablet. Now ? Neh, I will wait and see what the Infinity looks like in the real world and if I don't like that I'll get an iPad. I used to love Samsung but their late attitude is very suggestive : we've got your 600 euro, **** off now."
Sure, the iPad is the best tablet available. It can't do half the things Android does, not to mention Windows 8 tablets in comparison with which, the iPad is just a big mp3 player. But good choice. And no, this is not hate for Apple. I had an iPad, liked it very much, but after a month it turned out that it practically can't do anything...
Cool story. Just won an ipad 3. Set it up and was playing with it. I think the screen sucks and the OS is frigging boring. Sold it on ebay.
I'm more disappointed the Galaxy Nexus got the ban hammer in the US. I refuse to ever use an Apple product.
Same thing here. I bought an iPhone 4S 3 months after I bought my Galaxy S2. Sold the 4S within a week.
There's something about android that once you go android you can't really go back. Well at least for me.
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Well, this is usually what you get with a true multitasking OS. The problem you are having is mainly on usage time (from your description). As Uncle Ben said it, "with great power comes great responsibility". Its Android design problem and not totally Samsung fault in this issue, though there are things that I would like Samsung to fix. For FCs with applications, a factory reset or wiping the application data normally would solve the problem. Again, this is the OS issue. Sigh...
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This is a *****ing thread, keep your facts out of it !
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Cool story. Just won an ipad 3. Set it up and was playing with it. I think the screen sucks and the OS is frigging boring. Sold it on ebay.
I'm more disappointed the Galaxy Nexus got the ban hammer in the US. I refuse to ever use an Apple product.
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While I would agree that the OS is so friggin boring, I CANNOT agree that the screen sucks. I have never seen anyone say that the new iPad's screen sucks, except for you. Just saying,
I will never choose Samsung again.
They are lazy and they are cheap. I had a problem with my logical board and they didn't replace my phone. Now they replaced my logical board and it has deep sleep issues.
Now i have to send my phone for the FOURTH time so i can get anywhere.
They got my money once, yes. Never again....
Their loss....
I would agree an iPhone or iPad is boring but the ease of use is something you can't argue about. It's simple, boring, and friggin' expensive. That's why it's for retards. Sorry apple fanboys but it's the truth
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I will never choose Samsung again.
They are lazy and they are cheap. I had a problem with my logical board and they didn't replace my phone. Now they replaced my logical board and it has deep sleep issues.
Now i have to send my phone for the FOURTH time so i can get anywhere.
They got my money once, yes. Never again....
Their loss....
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That's unfortunate. I have voiced this before and concur with the OP, that no one should HAVE to root or download custom ROMs for a great experience with any Android device, be it from Samsung or any other company.
It's a show of mediocrity by Android and Android phone manufacturers when they place products in the market which truly do not perform without a bunch of optimizations. If this continues, Android will never overtake iOS and any Android device will always be behind an iPhone and an iPad.
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I'll never buy a. Samsung again either. I'll get a google or HTC phone.
Samsung feels cheap hardware-wise and more importantly delayed ICS far too long.
Almost in the same boat here.
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I will never choose Samsung again.
They are lazy and they are cheap. I had a problem with my logical board and they didn't replace my phone. Now they replaced my logical board and it has deep sleep issues.
Now i have to send my phone for the FOURTH time so i can get anywhere.
They got my money once, yes. Never again....
Their loss....
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Although i didn't have any motherboard issue, i had the deep sleep issue ever since i upgraded to ICS and i didn't even notice it until recently.
Thanks to XDA members i was able to solve it by turning off the last 4 options in sound settings and unlocking the phone before i unplug it from the wall charger.
The lag in touchwiz launcher for a 700 euro device was not tolerable for me, so i replaced it with ADW EX launcher. You would expect that they would enable gpu acceleration in their launcher with ICS, but anyway.
The worst thing is that mmc_erase bug. I am actually scared to install CM9 because i have one of those 0x19 faulty chips according to the gotbrick app.
No updates to ICS for Greece even though 2 months have passed since DBT users had it, amoled black clipping issues with videos, black spots when you view black images at night (which is no issue according to them) <--- really?
The only option left for me is to get the next nexus device when that comes out, unless it is made by Samsung again (read: volume bug).
The emmc bug in SGN is shame on SAMSUNG, really i'm extremely disappointed. SHAM ON YOU SAMSUNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'll never buy a. Samsung again either. I'll get a google or HTC phone.
Samsung feels cheap hardware-wise and more importantly delayed ICS far too long.
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Ah, once you're using Google or HTC phone, you'd say the same thing over in their respective threads. Trust me on this.
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That's unfortunate. I have voiced this before and concur with the OP, that no one shouldn't HAVE to root or download custom ROMs for a great experience with any Android device, be it from Samsung or any other company.
It's a show of mediocrity by Android and Android phone manufacturers when they place products in the market which truly do not perform without a bunch of optimizations. If this continues, Android will never overtake iOS and any Android device will always be behind an iPhone and an iPad.
Criskelo ICS LQ3 v8, LPT Modem, Speedmod k3-3 kernel, AT&T
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I've been using ICS stock non-root with great experience, but of course I wanted to use Titanium backup and CIFS, so I root. Is that such option in other OSes? Btw I think all those optimizations are actually placebo effects.
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The emmc bug in SGN is shame on SAMSUNG, really i'm extremely disappointed. SHAM ON YOU SAMSUNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh that is calculative risk for Samsung not to rush out the firmware update. Who in the world would a normal user wipe their phone daily, weekly or monthly. A normal user would almost never factory reset the phone. Also, if it did indeed brick the phone, just bring it to your nearest Samsung service centre to get a free mainboard replacement. No warranty? Complain to the consumer association and get a refund.
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Cool story. Just won an ipad 3. Set it up and was playing with it. I think the screen sucks and the OS is frigging boring. Sold it on ebay.
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In what way exactly the ipad screen sucks??
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In what way exactly the ipad screen sucks??
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It just sucks compared to my Notes screen. Lot of blotchy colors and no way to change the DPI to something other than what's for people with sight problems. For how much praise it gets, I laughed my ass off.
The ONE thing I did like about the ipad was the minimal battery drain in deep sleep.... Or maybe it's because it's a 11000mAh battery.
Oh the other thing was how much $$ I got for selling it.
If you do not like them and disappointed please just go get something better than that. I do know there is issue with but I like my note and I will go find better way to use this best one rather than complain and crying.
Soooo, I recently purchased a Note 3 and I'm MOSTLY happy with a lot of things about the phone... BUT the idea that we may never get an unlocked bootloader (SOOO annoying, had a Thunderbolt for the last two years and was really looking forward to getting CM again!) is making me question whether I should stay with my new phone or not. Looking for a little advice on keeping the N3 or getting something new:
Pros:
1.) The hardware is incredible. Coming from the Thunderbolt, this thing is insanely fast.
2.) The screen is awesome. The size doesn't bother me at all.
3.) Battery life!
Cons:
1.) Touch Wiz. I used to own an original Droid and LOVED the OS, eventually switching to CM for added features. Most of the stuff I dislike I can turn off, but there's a lot of bloat and dumb ideas here. (Why Samsung makes me turn up the volume and say I won't explode my head every time I plug in headphones is insane... I'M PLUGGING IT INTO MY CAR AND I'M NO LONGER 12 YEARS OLD.)
2.) The screen isn't big enough to use as an e-reader. This is not a huge issue, I had just HOPED it would be... BUT, since that's the case, I could easily switch to another phone and get a tablet too and not feel bad about it.
3.) Gaming... again, I had hoped the N3 would be able to provide gaming and e-reader and phone all into one device, but Android games are really just too shallow for me.
Soooo, what it really comes down to is if you guys think this device will be unlocked down the line OR if you think I could adjust it to make a more stock android/ AOSP/ CM type experience. If I was able to put CM on here I would be sitting pretty. I'm just worried it will turn into a situation like the Thunderbolt with limited updates and no real way to get new software...
If I did get a new phone, what would you guys recommend? I'm looking at the HTC One, Nexus 5, LG G2 and Galaxy S4. I haven't yet looked into which ones have fully unlocked bootloaders with decent roms, but that would be a deal breaker.
Thanks for any and all help, you guys are awesome!!
It sounds (to me) like you should get rid of it and get a phone that you can put CM on. I, personally, have never been a fan of CM. I like miui (haven't had that working 100% on a phone for probably 3 years now though) or heavily modded stock roms more. But as far as speed and battery life. This thing is awesome. Big screen is a + for me too. And it's got more features than I care to use or learn which is also a + I guess.
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Ultimately it all comes down to what you want. I mean, if it doesn't live up to your standards why keep it? It's your money to spend how you see fit. Buy something you feel will be worthwhile. If you're looking for the original Android experience the Moto X is a sweet phone and easy to carry and use.
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Should I be able to sell this one for a decent price? It's basically brand new, always had a case and screen protector...
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Should I be able to sell this one for a decent price? It's basically brand new, always had a case and screen protector...
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Just a little FYI, i came to the note 3 from a razr maxx, also a locked bootloader using safestrap. It is an officially supported device in the CM build. Sure an unlocked bootloader is great no matter the phone, but a really solid phone can sometimes trump that one little perk. Just a different opinion for your process. Good Luck.
This thread will probably be closed and moved to the sticky, but here are my 2 cents.
Out of all the cons presented, the only one that can be fixed well is the "TouchWiz" problem. The other phones either have smaller displays and Android's game market isn't even close to that of iOS, and doesn't seem like it will be soon. I think the LG G2 is the best choice for you (if you are fine without removable battery and microSD). Same Snapdragon 800, similar large 1080p display (I personally prefer it more because it is nearly impossible to get an AMOLED without black marks or unevenness), and also a large battery. Check out their development, it has a lot of exciting stuff going on and CM11 is right now a WIP. I'd say it still has a lot of potential to grow further, and its already a great community now.
Personally, I wasn't that overwhelmed by the N3 (probably because I had the N2). Looking back, I would have taken the G2 (and the $100 savings at the time) but I was an unlimited glitch purchase and don't have much time to customize my phone anymore. I flashed like mad on DInc, GNex, and Note 2, but right now having a device that isn't wiped every week is what I need. In fact, I finished a whole month on the Android 4.0+ Data Usage page for the first time ever.
Yeah, didn't know if this was the right place to post this, so then I copied and pasted it into the Q&A forum... and was going to delete this... now I can't figure out how to delete either thread! Ah well, if there's a major issue, I'm sure a mod will just close it.
Thanks for the input. I'm certainly not sold on getting rid of my N3, just looking into it. As stated, there are a lot of things I love about this phone, and if I could make it better that would be great.
Yeah, the "cons" really aren't cons, but things that I had HOPED the phone would be able to do, but can't. This just makes me feel OK about switching to a smaller phone and then getting a tablet as well.
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This thread will probably be closed and moved to the sticky, but here are my 2 cents.
Out of all the cons presented, the only one that can be fixed well is the "TouchWiz" problem. The other phones either have smaller displays and Android's game market isn't even close to that of iOS, and doesn't seem like it will be soon. I think the LG G2 is the best choice for you (if you are fine without removable battery and microSD). Same Snapdragon 800, similar large 1080p display (I personally prefer it more because it is nearly impossible to get an AMOLED without black marks or unevenness), and also a large battery. Check out their development, it has a lot of exciting stuff going on and CM11 is right now a WIP. I'd say it still has a lot of potential to grow further, and its already a great community now.
Personally, I wasn't that overwhelmed by the N3 (probably because I had the N2). Looking back, I would have taken the G2 (and the $100 savings at the time) but I was an unlimited glitch purchase and don't have much time to customize my phone anymore. I flashed like mad on DInc, GNex, and Note 2, but right now having a device that isn't wiped every week is what I need. In fact, I finished a whole month on the Android 4.0+ Data Usage page for the first time ever.
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I have to agree. I love the phone but my flashaholic status is slowly going away. When I had the TP, TP2, Evo, Evo 3D and Rezound I'd have a new rom almost every three days. Depending on what the devs put out. I have never been an AOSP guy so CM never really meant alot to me. I understand that guys want flexibility. I have heard guys say they couldn't stand sense on HTC just as people want TW off their phone. I love the N3 and it's a nice step up from the S3 I had previously. I might kingo and safe strap once I'm done moving just because but I'm really kinda liking not wiping and restoring my phone all the time too. I may have to change my xda button in my signature to just senior member..
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I came to the note 3 from note 2. I want super impressed coming from n2, but ultimately will keep the n3 and sell my n2. I have to all out because every time I touch my n2 I miss it. I just think it feels better in my hands them does the n3.
I'm so over flashing. I was flashing a new rom at least twice a week. I'm happy with tw. Flashing, imo, is a complete waste of time. To me it kind of sounds like you're trying to talk yourself out of the Galaxy Note 3 and into a different phone simply because the boot loader is locked. If that is the case then yes I would try a phone that you could flash. I happen to have a Galaxy Note 2 with an unlocked bootloader and a stock rom on there if you are interested and it has all kinds of accessories.
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There are some great points in this thread. I have a note 2 that is pretty new to me. I absolutely love the phone and while I like the unlocked status, I feel I can get most of what I want from a phone with root and xposed modules. I like CM and AOSP ROMs, but the camera quality and options never seem as good with those builds. As a father, the camera has become one of the most important features of my smart phone. That said, I'm considering selling my N2 and HTC One and getting an N3, essentially committing to no more flashing.
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Yeah, didn't know if this was the right place to post this, so then I copied and pasted it into the Q&A forum... and was going to delete this... now I can't figure out how to delete either thread! Ah well, if there's a major issue, I'm sure a mod will just close it.
Thanks for the input. I'm certainly not sold on getting rid of my N3, just looking into it. As stated, there are a lot of things I love about this phone, and if I could make it better that would be great.
Yeah, the "cons" really aren't cons, but things that I had HOPED the phone would be able to do, but can't. This just makes me feel OK about switching to a smaller phone and then getting a tablet as well.
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You had the exact same phones as me minus the tp.
Tp2, evo, evo 3D, rezound, N3.
Galaxy Note 3, HTC Rezound, HTC Evo 3D, HTC Evo, HTC Touch Pro 2, LG Voyager
Well, before I make any decisions I'm going to root and install xposed and see if I can get all the functionality I want that way. I'm still not too familiar with it since it wasn't a thing on the Thunderbolt... BUT, it looks like it can do a lot of things I want.
From what I have seen so far with this phone is a root with some theming is plenty. Just flashing kernels never really (to me) felt like they did anything. I came from the s3, so just rooting debloating with some greenify makes this phone amazing.
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I say keep your Note 3, root it, freeze/remove bloatware, and customize with Wanam Xposed. As far as your "CONS" go, it sounds like you're going to need a tablet in addition to the Note 3. What kind of gaming are you looking to do? Do you just want something that has a bigger screen/better hardware?
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Well, before I make any decisions I'm going to root and install xposed and see if I can get all the functionality I want that way. I'm still not too familiar with it since it wasn't a thing on the Thunderbolt... BUT, it looks like it can do a lot of things I want.
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Between freezing bloat and xposed framework, its my opinion that custom stock based ROMs are starting to become obsolete. AOSP is a slightly different story.
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Just rooted, put xposed on there and wanam. Now I'm adjusting settings and debloating... things are looking up.
I'll sell u my mint verizon note 2..already unlocked running beans right now.
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Between freezing bloat and xposed framework, its my opinion that custom stock based ROMs are starting to become obsolete. AOSP is a slightly different story.
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+1 Imo custom stock roms were never considered actual developing in the early android days. They were more so considered themes and the guys creating them were called Chefs. Something changed in the last couple years...however AOSP is were "real development" exists. Xposed app has pretty much shifted things back the other direction allowing the end user to modify a stock rom fairly easy. That combined with a few apps like Ninja morph to modify the framework.res files and the end user can create a custom stock rom fairly easy. I mainly run beans because of the AOSP themeing and I tweak the rest in myself. Dont take me wrong I appreciate guys like Beans because its time consuming doing the things he does.
Anyone interested in trading for a verizon lg g2? Already rooted, too...
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After messing around with root, and xposed for a while, I'm less concerned that there won't be enough support on this device to do the things that I want. I do have a few more questions, though:
1.) Has anyone started a list of all the apps that come on the stock rom and which we can freeze or delete entirely? (I will happily start this thread if there's interest and support for it.)
2.) Does anyone know how to prevent the volume getting reduced after plugging in headphones? I use my phone for music in my car and would really appreciate it if I didn't have to turn up the volume every time I plugged it in. (Wanam has an option to prevent the warning pop up, but the volume still gets reduced.)