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The main reason i sold GS1 was TouchWiz, i love Samsung's hardware but not so much the software. What are the chances of getting AOSP like CM7 on GS2?, or would it be as painful as GS1? which still dosent have a stable AOSP ROM as far as i know
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ragiut1 said:
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The main reason i sold GS1 was TouchWiz, i love Samsung's hardware but not so much the software. What are the chances of getting AOSP like CM7 on GS2?, or would it be as painful as GS1? which still dosent have a stable AOSP ROM as far as i know
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We wont know until the device is released... CM7 was never released for the SGS so it might be touch and go;( But its my belief that if the bootloader can be unlocked or hacked then CM7 will support it... Its gonna be too much of a big phone not to support
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Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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That's the USP for you.
For me, it's the hardware: thin, sleek, light. Dual-core. HDMI (or equivalent) +++ Unlockable boot-loader.
The hardware of the rival phones isn't as good and, quite a few manufacturers are in full lock-down mode these days.
Well, that was my thought exactly, that removing Touchwiz will remove all of the cool features and application support. To perhaps better serve your needs, it would be cooler to swap the launcher as suggested by many wise people here. This will give you a better UX while retaining the app support.
JupiterDroid said:
We wont know until the device is released... CM7 was never released for the SGS so it might be touch and go;( But its my belief that if the bootloader can be unlocked or hacked then CM7 will support it... Its gonna be too much of a big phone not to support
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SGS's bootloader isnt locked, and yet there is no stable AOSP ROM around
Funkym0nkey said:
Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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I'm still not sure if i'll buy it, as for the so called "critical functionality", i would happily give them up and get rid of the crapware that i dont need, and head for the market for added functionality.
Well, since it is Android, you are more than welcome to do so. Although, more than the critical functionality, the features you are PAYING for are being stripped away. It would be better that you find a Rom that adds these features (motion sensing, etc.) while removing the "Crapware" from the device.
Even if the SGS doesn't have a fully functional cyanogenmod, it has lot's of ROM's that remove touchwiz and crapware.
And CM7 is closer than ever from being stable on SGS, and there's actually a MIUI beta. I would say that the SGS2 will have a good dev support and we'll have a lot of choices in ROM's.
If not, there's always launchers like ADW, launcherpro, Regina...
That should be the least of your worries.
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SGS's bootloader isnt locked, and yet there is no stable AOSP ROM around
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If you read my post it doesn't say at any point that the SGS bootloader is locked I dont think the SGS was supported due to its many faults;/
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JupiterDroid said:
If you read my post it doesn't say at any point that the SGS bootloader is locked I dont think the SGS was supported due to its many faults;/
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Got u
Thank you and everyone else for ur input
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I'm still not sure if i'll buy it, as for the so called "critical functionality", i would happily give them up and get rid of the crapware that i dont need, and head for the market for added functionality.
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You are paying heavy premium for these features.
With AOSP, you will lose all proprietary samsung apps and features. That includes codecs, Media player post processing functionality and probably MHL functionality.
Also all Samsung drivers will be lost that mean lots of work for developers to get camera working right, bluetooth, wifi working right.
By the time ASOP which is actually usable comes out, it will be time for next generation hardware.
i was wishing for the ability to use bt joypads to play me some emus but i guess its a no go then
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You are paying heavy premium for these features.
With AOSP, you will lose all proprietary samsung apps and features. That includes codecs, Media player post processing functionality and probably MHL functionality.
Also all Samsung drivers will be lost that mean lots of work for developers to get camera working right, bluetooth, wifi working right.
By the time ASOP which is actually usable comes out, it will be time for next generation hardware.
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that's a good point
i hope samsung will release the drivers
I'd also much rather have an AOSP build, as I just don't like any of the custom overlays, never mind the included bloat- and crapware. Heck, if I had anything to say Android phones would ship without an OS and there'd be a ton (metric, of course) of distribution to choose from.
And no, we're not paying a premium for these "features", since one cannot buy the same (or even similar) hardware without them, for less.
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I'd also much rather have an AOSP build, as I just don't like any of the custom overlays, never mind the included bloat- and crapware. Heck, if I had anything to say Android phones would ship without an OS and there'd be a ton (metric, of course) of distribution to choose from.
And no, we're not paying a premium for these "features", since one cannot buy the same (or even similar) hardware without them, for less.
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But then that would require some standardization. Or every phone maker will have to issue set of drivers that users will have to bake themselves into the rom before flashing the same.
I dont think phone industry is or will be ready for that any time soon.
And you are paying for everything that comes on phone whether you like it or not. Everything costs something and it comes out of your pocket (or Samsung on some parts for superiority claims ).
AOSP usually rolls out faster for HTC phones (most of which share same DNA inside ) or sister devices of Google devices as its much easier.
Expecting AOSP for something as heavily modified as Galaxy S range quickly is unrealistic.
If your beef is against just TWUI launcher, its relatively easy to roll back to stock android launcher by just defaulting to stock android home (easy to do from Manage Applications ).
Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
I used CM7 for about an hour before I sorely missed the Samsung Contacts, Camera, Calculator, Dialer and Calendar.
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MikeyMike01 said:
Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
I used CM7 for about an hour before I sorely missed the Samsung Contacts, Camera, Calculator, Dialer and Calendar.
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I have no objection to touchwiz myself, except for one thing: I get REALLY excited by the innovations Google brings with each new version of Android. Owning the nexus 1 was/is amazing from that perspective. Every new, brilliant feature, is instantly yours.
Having said that, I like some of the new things Samsung are doing with their skin. I like the gyroscope actions and the resizeable widgets.
I guess what I want is a Nexus S2
I'm going to wait until after Google I/O to see if rumours of a new Nexus surface. If not, it'll be the Galaxy S2 for me. It is a beautiful device.
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I have no objection to touchwiz myself, except for one thing: I get REALLY excited by the innovations Google brings with each new version of Android. Owning the nexus 1 was/is amazing from that perspective. Every new, brilliant feature, is instantly yours.
Having said that, I like some of the new things Samsung are doing with their skin. I like the gyroscope actions and the resizeable widgets.
I guess what I want is a Nexus S2
I'm going to wait until after Google I/O to see if rumours of a new Nexus surface. If not, it'll be the Galaxy S2 for me. It is a beautiful device.
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Even if the phone runs stock Android, you're still not guaranteed updates.
Honestly the whole update thing is a mess anyway.
Samsung provided Gingerbread for the i9000 already, so they have a good track record on updates.
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Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
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Well, to each his own. But that's what I like about Android - choice. There's something for everyone.
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Even if the phone runs stock Android, you're still not guaranteed updates.
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That's true. The only thing stock does in that respect is make updates a little easier.
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Samsung provided Gingerbread for the i9000 already, so they have a good track record on updates.
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You're right about the GB update, even though it was pulled again, but their track record is still pretty bad. Let's all hope it isn't just a fluke.
Bottom line is that most phone vendors care about selling new hardware, for them, updates are a mixed blessing. Too few and nobody will buy their current phones, too many and nobody will want to buy the new model.
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Samsung listed on their twitter that they should be sending out Froyo towards the end of September, Not too bad, max a 2 months after the phone comes out for a decent update... go go Samsung.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/samsung-confirms-galaxy-s-will-get-froyo-in-september
Cool. Now I hope they stay on top of other updates in the future. And fix the GPS issue, obviously.
hopefully with all that time, they will have a good packaged update with minimal issues!
Dougefresh91 said:
Cool. Now I hope they stay on top of other updates in the future. And fix the GPS issue, obviously.
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I personally never had an issue with the GPS, it's very quick and extremely accurate. Have you tried the fix for it?
^^x2 never had an issue either
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Whoa there cowboy...
You do realize that tweet "confirmation" was from Samsung UK and just for Galaxy S on UK networks?
Until Samsung US confirms specifically for Vibrant, I wouldn't hold your breath through September.
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You do realize that tweet "confirmation" was from Samsung UK and just for Galaxy S on UK networks?
Until Samsung US confirms specifically for Vibrant, I wouldn't hold your breath through September.
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Yes I do, however when they say "All Networks" I think i'm only hoping it would include US
2 months is a long time to wait......
kolyan said:
2 months is a long time to wait......
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Not considering that it just released, I would consider that a fairly quick update imho.
considering the evo4g has been out for over a month and a half, its just getting it in august, granted yes its the first week of august but its gonna take a full month and a half to roll it out. its gonna be screaming fast on our vibrants as soon as we get it though. be patient, its gonna be awesome
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2 months is a long time to wait......
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Really? Two months is pretty quick considering the phone just launched here.
2.2's been out for a couple months now right? I think they should have shipped out with 2.2!
speoples20 said:
Really? Two months is pretty quick considering the phone just launched here.
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Froyo haas been out for a coupe months on the Nexus already, its obnoxious that ask these vendors delay os updates for no real reason.
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Does any of this matter though? The only deadline I care about is when cm6 is ported over and works flawlessly.
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Does any of this matter though? The only deadline I care about is when cm6 is ported over and works flawlessly.
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+1 We'll get FroYo faster with a CM6 port, and that will work better anyways.
hurrpancakes said:
Froyo haas been out for a coupe months on the Nexus already, its obnoxious that ask these vendors delay os updates for no real reason.
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There are a lot of reasons why these things get delayed. True, Google released 2.2 a few months ago and Nexus users already have it, but you have to realize that the N1 is a reference device and was meant to be used to show off what Android can do. Of course it will get updates first, because it's what Google uses to build off of.
Once Google releases the code, there are two more layers before going to the consumers - the phone manufacturer, and the mobile provider. Samsung has to deal with each of the mobile providers to make sure that their version has what they want included and that it's all working properly. Corporate bureaucracy is not a quick and smooth path to travel down - they probably have four hour meetings to discuss what color the worthless "MobiTV" icon should be.
I work in research for consumer goods so trust me when I say that manufacturers don't cater to consumers like us on these forums. While they certainly take us into consideration, they want to maximize reach and, thus, have to work with the lowest common denominator - John Q. Public. Why do you think the iPhone is so popular? It's pretty and it's easy to use.
Would you prefer Samsung blast out updates that don't work properly and spend all day on these forums looking for "fixes" for your issues, or that they get it (mostly) right the first time?
Samsung and T-mobile don't want to risk pissing off one-million people so that one hundred people get their Froyo early.
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+1 We'll get FroYo faster with a CM6 port, and that will work better anyways.
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+2 cm smashes regular froyo with all them goodies.. one would be 360 rotation so we can flip the phone upside down and surf the web when were in a poor signal area.... keep the antenna at the top....
hurrpancakes said:
Froyo haas been out for a coupe months on the Nexus already, its obnoxious that ask these vendors delay os updates for no real reason.
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There are real reasons why HTC, Moto, and Samsung don't have updates immediately. The Nexus One runs a naked version of Froyo. As in, no extra customizations. As it should be for a reference device.
Love it or hate it, HTC, Moto, and Samsung used customized version of Android. HTC Sense, Moto Blur, and Touchwiz. These require extra testing. If you look at the test build for the Galaxy S that's available, Touchwiz hasn't just been ported to 2.2. Samsung has made some real and significant' improvements which require fine tuning.
I've noticed the following from screenshots and impressions:
1. A rotation lock button is now part of the Touchwiz notification bar. A HUGE plus IMO.
2. New select/copy/paste menu in the browser. Another big plus
3. Tweaked video player UI which from all accounts is a nice improvement.
4. Backlight adjustment by sliding your finger on the notification bar has been disabled/removed. A good move considering the amount of complaints I've seen about accidental adjustments when not using the auto backlight feature
5. Reworked settings menu for easier access.
6. I haven't seen it, but hopefully a voice-to-text button on the next version of SWYPE
All these enhancements are all proprietary to Samsung an require additional testing.
I'd rather they release a stable, fast build than to rush the release and face the kinds of bugs people are already complaining about. If you have no patience, feel free to swap your device for a Nexus One, HTC, or Motorola. I for one and excited they've kept their promise and is releasing the update in a respectable time frame. Not to mention no phone can replace the Super AMOLED goodness on this phone.
Also don't forget that HTC has much more experience with building and releasing custom interfaces. From what I've seen, Motoblur doesn't seem as refined or comprehensive as the enhancements from Touchwiz. Samsung is new to the Android game and has done as respectable job learning from their mistakes with the Behold II.
Just my 2 cents.
Maverick777 said:
There are real reasons why HTC, Moto, and Samsung don't have updates immediately. The Nexus One runs a naked version of Froyo. As in, no extra customizations. As it should be for a reference device.
Love it or hate it, HTC, Moto, and Samsung used customized version of Android. HTC Sense, Moto Blur, and Touchwiz. These require extra testing. If you look at the test build for the Galaxy S that's available, Touchwiz hasn't just been ported to 2.2. Samsung has made some real and significant' improvements which require fine tuning.
I've noticed the following from screenshots and impressions:
1. A rotation lock button is now part of the Touchwiz notification bar. A HUGE plus IMO.
2. New select/copy/paste menu in the browser. Another big plus
3. Tweaked video player UI which from all accounts is a nice improvement.
4. Backlight adjustment by sliding your finger on the notification bar has been disabled/removed. A good move considering the amount of complaints I've seen about accidental adjustments when not using the auto backlight feature
5. Reworked settings menu for easier access.
6. I haven't seen it, but hopefully a voice-to-text button on the next version of SWYPE
All these enhancements are all proprietary to Samsung an require additional testing.
I'd rather they release a stable, fast build than to rush the release and face the kinds of bugs people are already complaining about. If you have no patience, feel free to swap your device for a Nexus One, HTC, or Motorola. I for one and excited they've kept their promise and is releasing the update in a respectable time frame. Not to mention no phone can replace the Super AMOLED goodness on this phone.
Also don't forget that HTC has much more experience with building and releasing custom interfaces. From what I've seen, Motoblur doesn't seem as refined or comprehensive as the enhancements from Touchwiz. Samsung is new to the Android game and has done as respectable job learning from their mistakes with the Behold II.
Just my 2 cents.
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I completely agree with you, yes CM6 will be fantastic, but i believe that a Smart Phone such as our vibrant should be able to get everything out of it without being rooted, and i truly believe that 2.2 and all of Samsung's enhancements will allow this to happen. As long as T-Mobile doesnt choose to take out key features such as hotspot tethering, everything will be fantastinc. and thats my 2 cents.
speoples20 said:
Really? Two months is pretty quick considering the phone just launched here.
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well, it launched in USA recently, but in EU its been out for a while.....
Droid X was launched after Vibrant and has 2.2 scheduled to get before 15th...
2 months is acceptable, but i wish Sammy was as fast as Motorola
Well looks like Pocket-Lint prodded Samsung UK about Gingerbread and as usual Samsung doesn't give much away lol,
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/37199/samsung-galaxy-s-android-update
There's the article.
I mean barring the NFC chip isnt it an identical handset ? lol
Funny PR Department guess if they shout out yes so loud might put off people buying the S
Sounds like it's just coming from a clueless PR guy, trying to sound good without actually answering the question. Canned response for these type of questions maybe.
Pretty useless statement really.
The thing is when you read it, its not good English, doesn't look like it's come from Samsung UK but maybe they've gone back to Korea and got that answer . . .
Hopefully PR in Korea
http://twitter.com/#!/Samsung_Mobiles/status/12437775529803776
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i hope this true, samsung should not leave us just like that. At least, gingerbread or honeycomb version for our phone...
it will come, it is easy for them to do and they still want to sell the phone, it is still Samsungs flagship phone.
ijat91 said:
i hope this true, samsung should not leave us just like that. At least, gingerbread or honeycomb version for our phone...
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Ginger will be avaiable for galaxy S, honeycomb probably won't ( i mean, in official way)
Any company who wont adapt the latest android to a phone thats almost identical to one they have already done the legwork for wont be getting future phone purchases from me. Sad because google picked samsung for their strong hardware, and google can ignore the ****e software samsung offers
I would think we will get gingerbread and honeycomb, I cant see any real reason why we wont.
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I would think we will get gingerbread and honeycomb, I cant see any real reason why we wont.
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ever thought about greed?
companies wants to sell new HW, and so samsung.
http://pocketnow.com/android/why-samsung-will-never-update-galaxy-s-to-gingerbread
well here is well thought out reason why we wont get gingerbread
Very few people base their phone purchase on the software so even if they put android 3.0 onto the galaxy s but had new phones with dual cores and big fat gpus in them also running 3.0 I am pretty sure the galaxy S wouldnt dint sale of the new phones.
The truth though about 2.3 is it wont really offer any advantage to the Galaxy S. The performance increases people mention would only be seen if they decided to ditch touchwiz3 and start using googles new UI API with their own skins. Google have already said a lot of the performance issues on previous android devices was caused by company added UIs thats why the developed their own "skinable" UI. All the additional features of gingerbread such as gravity, barometer sensors, NFC, multiple cameras, multiple displays, openGL enhancements etc etc all require specific hardware for such features to be utilised which ofc the Galaxy S doesn't have. On top of that it does cost the industry a lot of money to impliment, people mention that the Nexus S has 2.3 so it's easy to migrate and it could very well mean that sim free galaxy S models do indeed get an upgrade but its not gauranteed that all the carriers/operators are also willing to invest and time, money, resources it bug checking, branding (where applicable) on an old device.
I have been playing around with 2.3 for a day or so and to be honest based on my 2.1/2.2 test hardware there is little to no noticable difference.
A few changes I noticed
Battery icon now vertical
New Icon when text fields are highlighted showing field name (great one this)
Things like Exchange support home screen control, widgets, calendars, browser etc etc just all the same functionality and performance as 2.2
Read the link your posted Ming930919 is bull**** though because that article is purely basing the fact that people will ONLY buy a Nexus S for gingerbread and nothing else which is utter ****e.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/12/09/samsung.to.bring.android.23.to.galaxy.s.phones/
someone thinks it will come..when, who knows.
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http://pocketnow.com/android/why-samsung-will-never-update-galaxy-s-to-gingerbread
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they say right under it that samsung prove them wrong...
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Ginger facial hair is not very pleasant to look at.
Hey guys.
As you already know, official Galaxy S Gingerbread ROM released.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1009177
That means we've got a "Gingerbread ROM with Touchwiz UI" !
So let's encourage developers to port it to Nexus S
That would be soooo awesome, but at this point the MT3G has more development than the Nexus...they even have honeycomb.
this topic made me smile .. Before the nexus s I owned a galaxy s .. lots and lots of people there want an aosp looking rom and want to get rid of touchwiz asap .. And now I ahve a nexus S with the aosp I have been wanting for so long and see a topic requesting touch wiz
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this topic made me smile .. Before the nexus s I owned a galaxy s .. lots and lots of people there want an aosp looking rom and want to get rid of touchwiz asap .. And now I ahve a nexus S with the aosp I have been wanting for so long and see a topic requesting touch wiz
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Same here. Go figure...
However, CM7 already has all it takes to make your phone look a lot like TouchWiz. It has the statusbar widgets, and the launcher can be customized to look a great deal like it. Is it the home widgets? Cause I'm sure there must be plenty of alternatives in the Market.
Heck, CM7 + ADW is even far more customizable. I don't see a reason why anyone would need TouchWiz at this point.
the reason people sold their Galaxy S to nexus S is because of the stupid touch wiz. and you want people to bring it ? i hate you from my heart
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Same here. Go figure...
However, CM7 already has all it takes to make your phone look a lot like TouchWiz. It has the statusbar widgets, and the launcher can be customized to look a great deal like it. Is it the home widgets? Cause I'm sure there must be plenty of alternatives in the Market.
Heck, CM7 + ADW is even far more customizable. I don't see a reason why anyone would need TouchWiz at this point.
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TW apps(camera, calendar, music player, video player), codecs...the launcher isn't a reason why people would want it imo.
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the reason people sold their Galaxy S to nexus S is because of the stupid touch wiz. and you want people to bring it ? i hate you from my heart
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I didn't, all this great hardware with crap apps to use. Doesn't even have zoom in the camera let alone 720p video recording.
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the reason people sold their Galaxy S to nexus S is because of the stupid touch wiz. and you want people to bring it ? i hate you from my heart
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Pretty sure it was because of gps..
Which still looks weak in the nexus
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Pretty sure it was because of gps..
Which still looks weak in the nexus
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Pretty sure it was Samsung's incompetence of releasing Android 2.2 in a timely fashion and ROMs basing off Samsung internal leaks with kernels that weren't open-sourced.
I personally don't care if someone ports TouchWiz. If they do, then great. I won't be using it but trying it out to play around with. There's a difference between requesting and something actually being done.
I would definitely like to have the choice of trying out Gingerbread TouchWiz. I've noticed that the Nexus S doesn't really have as much roms as I thought it would have. Maybe its because 2.3 is the latest software and it would defeat the purpose of putting 2.2 sense, 2.2 blur etc or its simply the fact that devs are holding out for dual core and quad core phones.
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I would definitely like to have the choice of trying out Gingerbread TouchWiz. I've noticed that the Nexus S doesn't really have as much roms as I thought it would have. Maybe its because 2.3 is the latest software and it would defeat the purpose of putting 2.2 sense, 2.2 blur etc or its simply the fact that devs are holding out for dual core and quad core phones.
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Most likely because of 2.2 and 2.3. Porting another FrameWork takes a lot of work. It's not that easy to do especially to get it working as a daily driver
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I would definitely like to have the choice of trying out Gingerbread TouchWiz. I've noticed that the Nexus S doesn't really have as much roms as I thought it would have. Maybe its because 2.3 is the latest software and it would defeat the purpose of putting 2.2 sense, 2.2 blur etc or its simply the fact that devs are holding out for dual core and quad core phones.
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Most people are obsessed with speed and latest and greatest, not what offers the most. They say TouchWiz is buggy but so is Gingerbread...obviously I could go on and on.
Why is there so much hostility with reference to Nexus S and development? Why do people consider the Nexus S inferior and not worthy of ROM development? It's a phone, people own it. If all you do is bash the phone and the community, what is your endgame? I say, the more ROMs the better, no matter what they are. And if development dies because of lack of interest, so be it, but let the natural course of the device play out.
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Pretty sure it was Samsung's incompetence of releasing Android 2.2 in a timely fashion and ROMs basing off Samsung internal leaks with kernels that weren't open-sourced.
I personally don't care if someone ports TouchWiz. If they do, then great. I won't be using it but trying it out to play around with. There's a difference between requesting and something actually being done.
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That's not the issue anymore will those roms. Not to mention the only leg nexus has up the captivate is nfc and vanilla android. I like the touchwiz icons, maybe it is because i also use an iphone 4, but those stock app icons make me want to scream
And judging from the 2.3.3 has bricked my gps thread, i am getting less and less excited about owning a nexus s once it arrives with 850mhz 3g bands. Looks like samsung still cant get the gps right..now to see if they did something to the gs2.
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That's not the issue anymore will those roms. Not to mention the only leg nexus has up the captivate is nfc and vanilla android. I like the touchwiz icons, maybe it is because i also use an iphone 4, but those stock app icons make me want to scream
And judging from the 2.3.3 has bricked my gps thread, i am getting less and less excited about owning a nexus s once it arrives with 850mhz 3g bands. Looks like samsung still cant get the gps right..now to see if they did something to the gs2.
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I don't know what you've heard but GPS works perfectly for me...
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Heck, CM7 + ADW is even far more customizable. I don't see a reason why anyone would need TouchWiz at this point.
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I couldn't find a Touchwiz like CM7 theme? Is there any?
ll_l_x_l_ll said:
the reason people sold their Galaxy S to nexus S is because of the stupid touch wiz. and you want people to bring it ? i hate you from my heart
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Because I'm bored with default Android. I just want to try different things.
And yes Touchwiz is stupid, I hate it when I first saw that, especially lock-screen. But theme looks great.
the only think i'll be looking forward in a port from SGS to SNS are the mkv codecs and hardware play
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That's not the issue anymore will those roms. Not to mention the only leg nexus has up the captivate is nfc and vanilla android. I like the touchwiz icons, maybe it is because i also use an iphone 4, but those stock app icons make me want to scream
And judging from the 2.3.3 has bricked my gps thread, i am getting less and less excited about owning a nexus s once it arrives with 850mhz 3g bands. Looks like samsung still cant get the gps right..now to see if they did something to the gs2.
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Try the MIUI rom I think it's the rom that you're looking for.
@allgamer: in cm7 the hardware encoding actually works. 720p I smooth but no audio is being outputted. That's the only thing that needs to be fixed. Regular videos are fine.
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ll_l_x_l_ll said:
the reason people sold their Galaxy S to nexus S is because of the stupid touch wiz. and you want people to bring it ? i hate you from my heart
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The only reason I hated TouchWiz was because of bloatware, and Samsung's closed source issue which hindered development. Other than that, the UI looks great to me. The blue accents are nice and is easier to view than the gloomy green of the NS. Codecs are a major plus. The launcher is acceptable. My reason for moving to the NS is for CM7 as well as Google updates. Therefore, I'm all for porting the Galaxy S Gingerbread ROM.
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Try the MIUI rom I think it's the rom that you're looking for.
@allgamer: in cm7 the hardware encoding actually works. 720p I smooth but no audio is being outputted. That's the only thing that needs to be fixed. Regular videos are fine.
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that's great news! as that's the only thing that is really missing on the Nexus S at this point
being able to play back with hardware instead of software codec
Anyone care to speculate if HTC is feeling pressure to put a One on the play store?
Assuming the criteria would be:
-unlocked bootloader
-Stock Android
-Small price reduction (or price match to Dev edition 650)
Personally this woul be a very very good option for a Canadian such as myself. The One is definitely my first choice but Samsung is doing such a good job at luring me in with the things I value. HTC only seems to go half way, especially since Samsung just raised the bar and went full android, so to speak.
Speculate away!
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Anyone care to speculate if HTC is feeling pressure to put a One on the play store?
Assuming the criteria would be:
-unlocked bootloader
-Stock Android
-Small price reduction (or price match to Dev edition 650)
Personally this woul be a very very good option for a Canadian such as myself. The One is definitely my first choice but Samsung is doing such a good job at luring me in with the things I value. HTC only seems to go half way, especially since Samsung just raised the bar and went full android, so to speak.
Speculate away!
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I don't think HTC feels anything like that. As many people said, S4 nexus is expensive for many people and its not like everyone wants stock android. It'll be directed to a certain group of customers.
I definitely agree that a stock S4 is for a very select group of people. I'm not sure how that is too much of a deterrent for HTC... actually I don't understand HTC's actions at all. They always go halfway, it's like the marketing/lawyering departments have the leadership by the balls... Sort of like when the wife lets you buy a new sports car but she only approves small block engines that are sporty. Not the same thing at all!!
How much does it cost HTC or Samsung to strip and maintain a phone to AOSP?
I can't imagine the HTC One with out Sense 5. It makes it for me (as well as the build etc).
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I can't imagine the HTC One with out Sense 5. It makes it for me (as well as the build etc).
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I agree, I will chose Sense 5 over stock any day. Now if it was Sense 4.1 or touchwiz I can understand wanting it gone, but Sense 5 is so great IMO. I wouldn't mind the option, but things like camera (getting the image chip to work with pure android) and battery life seems to be what always keeps my HTC phone away from the pure android feel.
I have used plenty of HTC phones in the past and most of them had some form of HTC sense on them, and i have always preferred sense over stock. My last device was a nexus 4 which was pure aosp, and while it was definitely not bad, i found myself wanting sense on it all the time. I get that people have their own preferences, but htc builds their devices around sense and optimises sense to use on their hardware. I don't think HTC would release a aosp version. It would be nice if it did because we would get updates faster, but i don't see that happening anytime soon.
I read an article yesterday about some HTC Employee who tweeted something along the lines of "You can pay $649 for a cheap bit f plastic...or you could wait " Maybe HTC has something already in the works?
*EDIT* Found another article stating that HTC have denied rumours that they will be releasing a "Nexus" HTC One.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-denies-htc-one-nexus-edition-plans-15282252/
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I don't think HTC feels anything like that. As many people said, S4 nexus is expensive for many people and its not like everyone wants stock android. It'll be directed to a certain group of customers.
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^^ This. I feel releasing an aosp SIV especially not under the Nexus moniker is nothing more then another attempt to saturate the market and artificially inflate sales numbers. I think for that tiny community who doesnt root an aosp out of the box is a viable option. Look at our community though, we have aokp, cm, pa and all that jazz. For the larger community of rooters and flashers it just seems redundant to me.
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I have been using AOSP on all my devices since the very beginning, but for some reason i find myself really enjoying sense, i tried flashing CM10 but i did not like it =/ im just going to patiently wait for sense 5.1 4.2.2
I mean you could just get the dev edition and put cm10 on it, will take 5 minutes to flash
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I mean you could just get the dev edition and put cm10 on it, will take 5 minutes to flash
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Way too buggy
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I would like to add that putting something on the play store increases online availability dramatically. It's generally difficult to buy unlocked cell phones online without paying an extra premium. Especially if you don't live in the US! Yes there are ways but the party store is very accessible and hassle free. As a Canadian this is a huge plus. Just look at how many of us are screaming to get access to a Dev edition.
I've had to spend over 100 bucks in services for the privilege of doing so and then warranty suddenly becomes a huge issue. This is a huge reason the S4 is appealing as a person who doesn't do contracts.
I didn't like AOSP on my HTC One, for some reason sense is so freakin smooth and the eco system is amazing.
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I have been a nexus user for 3 years and personally prefer sense after switching to HTC one. Sense 5 is really awesome
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Maybe I should give sense a try... I'm seriously hooked on AOKP though... The level of customization is superior to none! Or maybe I an missing something.
Pretty much that is my end game desire. HTC one with 64GB and AOKP ponies.
I should apologize! Apparently the xperia Z pushed to aosp long before the S4. This really make me consider HTC stepping up to the plate as a real possibility since all the kids on the block are doing it.
Throwing it into the play store might not happen though.
I know, I know. No questions in General. But the question is meant to start a discussion/hopefully start a collective of people willing to solve a GENERAL problem (see what I did there? )
Anyway, bad puns aside, on to the point: why are we not? No company likes negative press or even the thought of negative press. We don't like not having AOSP/Vanilla Android ROMs on this beast of a device (not to mention **** battery life, kind of sad theme options in a restricted environment). They need to do is release proper documentation for the Exynos 7 SoC. We're here BECAUSE open-source.
So it brings me back to the question: Why have we not even TRIED to twist Samsung's arm in this respect? The research I've done shows the last time anyone even attempted this was waaaay back in 2012. Seemed like SOME headway was made, but seems like it all just fell off the face of the Earth. This issue transcends the G920/5x models, as Samsung has made it pretty obvious that Exynos will be the SoC of choice going forward. Meaning this sets a precedent where the future of the most popular line of Android devices does not support developing anything but TouchWiz, which stunts the open-source nature of the OS it is built upon, and really invalidates the POINT of buying an Android phone instead of an iPhone. You want to give us TouchWiz, great! They've made amazing improvements to this UI and I'm sure they'll continue polishing it. Again, it's an Android. That's an offering most people will love. We shouldn't be forced to use it.
So. To wrap this up, I will be reaching out to Samsung personally and attempting to source this documentation. I have NO idea what I am doing. It would help immensely if the community would jump into this and help out. The more of us reach out, the louder our voice will be. If they refuse to cooperate, we attack on Twitter, Facebook, etc.
tl;dr - I want AOSP on my Samsung phone. This one and future ones. I know you do too. Let's do something about it.
If we get AOSP we'll loose great camera preformance and some unique Samsung apps (for example I love s planner, it's the cleanest calendar I've ever used), without great camera and some unique features actually nexus devices look better in terms of price, SD support.
That's my opinion why people stick with touchwiz and want to improve it rather than going straight for AOSP.
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They finally need to resolve the ram management on this device.. otherwise touchwiz is fine after debloating it a bit....
And the OS must be optimised.. I don't feel the awesome specs of this device are being making use of..
I used aosp on my S4 but kept on going back to touchwiz because of the Camera and other few things.
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Why not go buy something else instead of starting a negative rant thread? That's the best way to get Samsung's attention. They aren't forcing you to buy their stuff.
It's a matter of preference. Some people, myself included, like touchwiz. Keep in mind, no one is forcing you to buy samsung or any brand for that matter. Respectfully, if you want aosp, you have the choice of buying nexus or gpe's.
I don't really get why people are complaining about the ram issue. The way I multitask is I turn the app into a bubble then open my primary app. It works flawlessly on my side.
On my previous phones, I have tried every sort of AOSP ROM ranging from CM to PA to whatever experimental stuff that came out that day. There was a time where I was running a different ROM every day.
My phones were always unstable, things were not working, crashing all the time. Most of the original features that came with the phone were not working. I finally got tired of it. Since I got this S6, I haven't even rooted it. I'm just running stock and I'm loving it. Everything just works.
Sure the RAM thing is a minor annoyance but nothing major. Apps launch almost instantly anyway. I wouldn't go back to AOSP even if it was possible. I love a using a phone that works 100%.
Jhayzt said:
I don't really get why people are complaining about the ram issue. The way I multitask is I turn the app into a bubble then open my primary app. It works flawlessly on my side.
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how do you do that?
Umm, you swipe from the top most of the app(left or right) down and it will shrink down the app. From there, you can then choose the minimize button so that it turns into a bubble. This will only work for portrait only app.
Wellwhack me with a rusty crowbar didn't know you could do that cheers jhayzt ?
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Wellwhack me with a rusty crowbar didn't know you could do that cheers jhayzt ��
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0.0 You have to be kidding me right? I mean, its been there since day one. Its one of my favorite feature that only came with the Note 4 and I'm glad that Samsung brought it to the S6.
Seriously didn't know about it itwill make life much easier, thanks again
cnutt1 said:
Seriously didn't know about it itwill make life much easier, thanks again
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:highfive: Multitasking problem solved.
Yes indeed happy days
Im not a developer myself but I suppose they are going to release some information about exynos 7420 http://howchip.com/ExSOM-7420-eMM.php
Didn't expect to get any replies LOL.
Everyone telling me to get a different phone or to just not buy Samsung to "teach em a lesson," yeah. Samsung doesnt care about $1000 lol.
To me it's about the principle of android vs what Samsung has turned it all into. But I mean to each their own, I just bought the phone for the amazing screen and the way it looks. I planned to install CM from the getgo. I suppose it's on me for not doing my research in regards to ROMs for the phone in the first place.
That howchip link...seriously? They're actually going to do this? HUZZAH!
Huh do you think AOSP roms gonna improve your phone battery life...
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Huh do you think AOSP roms gonna improve your phone battery life...
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I've always had poor battery performance on AOSP ROMs in comparison to TW based ROMs.
Heke120 said:
Im not a developer myself but I suppose they are going to release some information about exynos 7420 http://howchip.com/ExSOM-7420-eMM.php
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I think that's not enough