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Engadget Review

Engadget Review is out:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/24/sony-xperia-z1-review/
looks like they have some nice words for the Z1.
I will get my Z1 sometime this week and we'll see how it turns out, but im quite optimistic :victory:.

The benchmarks of this review are wrong
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theres one problem with everyone regarding sony phones they never ever like them they always like the samsung iphones and htc
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matheus_sc said:
The benchmarks of this review are wrong
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Just got mine, still 518 fw though
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Ame123 said:
theres one problem with everyone regarding sony phones they never ever like them they always like the samsung iphones and htc
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Yes you're right, but considering how engadget gives it's critics to other devices, I think it says allot that they are pretty pleased with the Z1
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They fail to point out that all the camera issues can be fixed with a software update!

TheCraig said:
They fail to point out that all the camera issues can be fixed with a software update!
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a camera update isnt going to make the camera better than the lumia 1020. the problem with the engadget review is they compare it only to the 1020. 42 mp sensor vs 21 not really a fair comparison. No amount of software updates are gonna make them even.
Never the less i turned off x reality and have seen an improvement in battery life. Gotta thank this review for that

billybobjones said:
a camera update isnt going to make the camera better than the lumia 1020. the problem with the engadget review is they compare it only to the 1020. 42 mp sensor vs 21 not really a fair comparison. No amount of software updates are gonna make them even.
Never the less i turned off x reality and have seen an improvement in battery life. Gotta thank this review for that
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Software updates can address the Xperia Z1's current issues (noise, etc) and I never expected its camera to be on par or even exceed Illumina's 1020...

TheCraig said:
Software updates can address the Xperia Z1's current issues (noise, etc) and I never expected its camera to be on par or even exceed Illumina's 1020...
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then you dont understand camera sensors and I would suggest you read more on what makes a camera good. Lumia 1020 has a better sensor and no matter how good the xperia z1 may be, it cant reach lumia 1020 level. If it by some miracle does, that means nokia should update their lumia software and it would beat the z1 again.

billybobjones said:
then you dont understand camera sensors and I would suggest you read more on what makes a camera good. Lumia 1020 has a better sensor and no matter how good the xperia z1 may be, it cant reach lumia 1020 level. If it by some miracle does, that means nokia should update their lumia software and it would beat the z1 again.
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.. did you even bother to read the post you were responding to?
Anyways, considering the Z1 didn't ship with its final camera firmware it's been doing pretty well for itself so far. Very excited to see what improvements will come when the proper software is released.

billybobjones said:
then you dont understand camera sensors and I would suggest you read more on what makes a camera good. Lumia 1020 has a better sensor and no matter how good the xperia z1 may be, it cant reach lumia 1020 level. If it by some miracle does, that means nokia should update their lumia software and it would beat the z1 again.
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If you actually read my post then you would know I accept that the Z1 can not match the 1020. Take the time to read instead of jumping to conclusions before you get to the end of the sentence.
And as far as my sensor understanding goes there are two types, CCD and CMOS. The Exmor happens to be a CMOS, CCD normally has less noise with CMOS having more noise, I also think that CMOS is MUCH more power efficient, CCD also captures more light. It's not much but its more than what the average consumer knows.
Anyway you got that from my initial post? Did I even say the Xperia Z1 has a camera even rivaling the 1020? My post was a sentence and you didn't get to the end.

So I read the review (I've been thinking about buying this phone, as I need a camera, and a new phone), and I noticed that Engadget said:
To explore this, we had to switch back to manual mode and set resolution to 20.7MP again. It's worth noting that this kills a bunch of camera options, such as HDR, scene selection and digital image stabilization -- but it was the only way to push the Z1's sensor to its limits.
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This made me sad. Does this mean that the phone won't take 20MP HDR photos?
Other than that, it seems to be a good phone.
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TheCraig said:
If you actually read my post then you would know I accept that the Z1 can not match the 1020. Take the time to read instead of jumping to conclusions before you get to the end of the sentence.
And as far as my sensor understanding goes there are two types, CCD and CMOS. The Exmor happens to be a CMOS, CCD normally has less noise with CMOS having more noise, I also think that CMOS is MUCH more power efficient, CCD also captures more light. It's not much but its more than what the average consumer knows.
Anyway you got that from my initial post? Did I even say the Xperia Z1 has a camera even rivaling the 1020? My post was a sentence and you didn't get to the end.
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Hey sorry just looking out from in the guy your debating with actually said he does not think that the z1 can keep up with the Nokia but hopes that a update can help with some noise issues and softness , not to beat the Nokia but to overall help with the IQ of the z1. Hope that helps. And software can help with image quality as in proper exposure and the right ISO and shutter speed settings when in auto. Its true that you can not help grain pattern because this is a sensor specific thing but the amount of grain or noise can be helped and the amount of processing e.g sharpening can also be helped with software.
Z1 has great specs they need to work on the software to help it shine.
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TheCraig said:
If you actually read my post then you would know I accept that the Z1 can not match the 1020. Take the time to read instead of jumping to conclusions before you get to the end of the sentence.
And as far as my sensor understanding goes there are two types, CCD and CMOS. The Exmor happens to be a CMOS, CCD normally has less noise with CMOS having more noise, I also think that CMOS is MUCH more power efficient, CCD also captures more light. It's not much but its more than what the average consumer knows.
Anyway you got that from my initial post? Did I even say the Xperia Z1 has a camera even rivaling the 1020? My post was a sentence and you didn't get to the end.
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I read through all the posts and no where did you state it would be better or even match the 1020 with a software update you just mentioned it needs a software update to get the best out of the Z1 camera.
I agree the camera should be way better than what it is and if it can produce a clean image with minimal noise AND fix that superior auto then that is all that matters imho.
There is a lot of potential in this phone and I hope Sony can really get the most out of it.

I think we can all agree that it isn't challenging the 1020 at the moment and isn't likely to do so. But yeah software updates to clear up the current issues should help a lot.

TheCraig said:
I think we can all agree that it isn't challenging the 1020 at the moment and isn't likely to do so. But yeah software updates to clear up the current issues should help a lot.
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Took some proper photos outside today and detail was fine but for some reason lighting was a bit ****ed up... It came out a bit dark.. They really need to fix the camera firmware ASAP!

Z1 Camera Issue and the responses I get from Sony Support Team

I was really bummed about the camera app and quality when I first bought my Z1 because it didn't deliver what I thought it would. But I figured what the hell I love the looks of this phone I also find the waterproofnessness(!) extremely useful, so it doesn't matter if the camera doesn't deliver what I hoped for, I can live with it, you know? but then the "update" came and it made the camera worse than it was before, so naturally, as every camera fanatic would, I got really mad! I tried a bunch of apps but they were no good I also tried the so called "Superior Auto" mode and it didn't really helped so I had no other choice but to call Sony Support Center for help.... And this is what I got so far:
Oct 30​
ME:
I just bought the Z1 with software v. 14.1.G.2.257.The camera takes terrible and I mean terrible pictures,lots and lots of noise and artifacts even in auto mode which only takes 8MP pics.This is not what you hope for when you buy an expensive 20.7MP camera phone.I also have iPhone 5/5S and they take much much better pictures,even though their specs are inferior on paper. You should be ashamed...Am I gonna have to live withit or youregonna fixit?
THEM:
Dear Ara,
Thank you for contacting Sony Xperia™ Online Support.
We're sorry to hear that you're experiencing poor image quality from the camera of your Xperia™ Z1. I'm happy to assist you today, however, in order to provide you with the best possible service, it would be helpful to have more information about the issue at hand.
Are you using the front facing camera, or the outward facing camera? Has the camera always captured low quality images, or is this a new issue? Have you tried restarting the phone by holding the power key and the volume up key simultaneously until the phone vibrates? Have you cleaned the outside of the lens?
If you will please reply with more information, we'll gladly assist you further.
As part of Sony Mobile's commitment to excellent customer service, we offer a wide variety of mobile products to suit your lifestyle. If you require more information, or have any other questions, please visit www.sonymobile.com.
Kind Regards,
Jessica
Sony Xperia Customer Services
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ME:
This is the same exact situation I'm in:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2501027
and come on what kind of an idiot contacts the costumer service before checking if the lens is clean?
Nov 9!​
THEM:
Dear Ara,
Thank you for contacting Sony Xperia™ Online Support.
We apologize for the delay of our response. Regarding your inquiry, the best we can recommend is a software repair via computer in order to discard any possibility of a software glitch. For this follow the steps below:
Here is the link you will need to download PC Companion
http://www.sonymobile.com/us/tools/pc-companion/
Once you have downloaded the program these are the steps you will need to follow:
*Make sure the phone is fully charged or at least 50% charged
*Make sure your phone is completely powered off
*Open the program
*Click on Support Zone
*Select Phone Software Update
*Click on Repair Phone
**DO NOT CONNECT THE PHONE TO THE PC UNTIL YOU SEE A MESSAGE THAT WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN AND HOW TO DO IT
As part of Sony Mobile's commitment to excellent customer service, we offer a wide variety of mobile products to suit your lifestyle. If you require more information, or have any other questions, please visit www.sonymobile.com or call us at 1-866-766-9374.
Kind Regards,
Jessica
Sony Xperia US Customer Services
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ME:
Oh for god sake! This isn't a problem on my side... I'm actually in position of two Z1s one with 14.1.G.2.257 and the other with 14.1.G.1.534 both devices are absolutely clean by anymeans (software and hardware), I'll give you a comparison of the two and my iPhone 5S as soon as I'm done working, please do not assume that there is something wrong only and only with my device... either all the Z1s have horrible cameras or you just screwed up the camera algorithm which can be fixed... either way its on your part!
Again ME:
OK, so here they are:
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These are the samples I sent them:
8MP 1.534
8MP 2.257
20MP 1.534
20MP 2.257
iPh5S 7.0.3
If you guys do have the same problem as me (which you do!) please mention it here, Maybe this way they stop BS-ing me!

ara.armagedon said:
I was really bummed about the camera app and quality when I first bought my Z1 because it didn't deliver what I thought it would. But I figured what the hell I love the looks of this phone I also find the waterproofnessness(!) extremely useful, so it doesn't matter if the camera doesn't deliver what I hoped for, I can live with it, you know? but then the "update" came and it made the camera worse than it was before, so naturally, as every camera fanatic would, I got really mad! I tried a bunch of apps but they were no good I also tried the so called "Superior Auto" mode and it didn't really helped so I had no other choice but to call Sony Support Center for help.... And this is what I got so far:
Oct 30​
ME:
I just bought the Z1 with software v. 14.1.G.2.257.The camera takes terrible and I mean terrible pictures,lots and lots of noise and artifacts even in auto mode which only takes 8MP pics.This is not what you hope for when you buy an expensive 20.7MP camera phone.I also have iPhone 5/5S and they take much much better pictures,even though their specs are inferior on paper. You should be ashamed...Am I gonna have to live withit or youregonna fixit?
THEM:
ME:
This is the same exact situation I'm in:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2501027
and come on what kind of an idiot contacts the costumer service before checking if the lens is clean?
Nov 9!​
THEM:
ME:
Oh for god sake! This isn't a problem on my side... I'm actually in position of two Z1s one with 14.1.G.2.257 and the other with 14.1.G.1.534 both devices are absolutely clean by anymeans (software and hardware), I'll give you a comparison of the two and my iPhone 5S as soon as I'm done working, please do not assume that there is something wrong only and only with my device... either all the Z1s have horrible cameras or you just screwed up the camera algorithm which can be fixed... either way its on your part!
Again ME:
OK, so here they are:
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I'll upload the pics for you guys later today
If you guys do have the same problem as me (which you do!) please mention here, Maybe this way they stop BS-ing me!
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There seems to be a mixed bag in terms of this camera, majority of tech site reviewers have gotten good results with the camera. I am fairly certain(imo)there are dodgy batches of this phone floating about, just ask anyone who bought a z1 from India. Well anyway i don't have any issues with my z1 in terms of camera functionality and quality. The reason Sony support ask all these stupid questions, is they have a set of troubleshooting questions and no matter how stupid they sound they are going to ask them as this is part of their process, they have to rule out the simplest of things even if it doesnt apply to you. If you read throught the z1 forum, you will see a lot of threads, some saying the phone is amazing and others have shown users are not happy, now this could be down to software issues or hardware issues. In your case, if you have tried all the basic stuff like reflashing the software and what not then go and get a replacement and if you are still not happy get a refund.

First of all:
Dude, learn how tot use a phone camera, Z1 doesn't have a bad camera. It takes great pictures with the right settings. I'm sick and tired of people that probably don't know how to use a camera or maybe just love posting this kinda sh*t.
If you have a bad unit, in this case 2, ask for a replacement or something else before saying all Z1 cameras are bad.
Second:
Sending emails to a company with such language is really stupid, the person that gets your email is just human, you can be friendly to them.
Third:
Mods please delete this thread.
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krabappel2548 said:
First of all:
Dude, learn how tot use a phone camera, Z1 doesn't have a bad camera. It takes great pictures with the right settings. I'm sick and tired of people that probably don't know how to use a camera or maybe just love posting this kinda sh*t.
If you have a bad unit, in this case 2, ask for a replacement or something else before saying all Z1 cameras are bad.
Second:
Sending emails to a company with such language is really stupid, the person that gets your email is just human, you can be friendly to them.
Third:
Mods please delete this thread.
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I completely agree with you, specially on second and third point.

krabappel2548 said:
First of all:
Dude, learn how tot use a phone camera, Z1 doesn't have a bad camera. It takes great pictures with the right settings. I'm sick and tired of people that probably don't know how to use a camera or maybe just love posting this kinda sh*t.
If you have a bad unit, in this case 2, ask for a replacement or something else before saying all Z1 cameras are bad.
Second:
Sending emails to a company with such language is really stupid, the person that gets your email is just human, you can be friendly to them.
Third:
Mods please delete this thread.
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To be honest, the superior auto mode SHOULD be better then what it is. Tons of people will not get past the auto mode and a company should make sure it is up to par. It kinda sucks you have to go into settings to change them every time to suit the best situation if you just want to take a quick nice snap.
Completely agree with the rest though, the tone in your first message is insulting right away. How do you expect people to help if you start shouting at them,
Wait at least until the 3rd mail before giving up (because in all honesty, it IS extremely frustrating that very often the people answering your mail don't even seem to read it and just give some autoreply answer. The times I mailed support, explaining exactly the issue and steps already taken to resolve it only to get a 'have you tried resetting the device?' YES! That was the first point in my 'already tried' list.).

ara.armagedon said:
I'll upload the pics for you guys later today.
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Yah, do that.
Make sure the originals are linked i don't want to see downsized images with no exif data.
Put them up either on dropbox, flickr or photobucket.
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This is the same exact situation I'm in:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2501027
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I could not make out much in that thread as the OP never provided originals.
The picture itself was a challenging one given the bakclighting issues. How well would other phones have compared in the same situation.
No frame of reference to come to any conclusions.

One Twelve said:
Yah, do that.
Make sure the originals are linked i don't want to see downsized images with no exif data.
Put them up either on dropbox, flickr or photobucket.
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I could not make out much in that thread as the OP never provided originals.
The picture itself was a challenging one given the bakclighting issues. How well would other phones have compared in the same situation.
No frame of reference to come to any conclusions.
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8MP 1.534
8MP 2.257
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They're not publicly available. Change your folder settings on drop box mate

wezzel98765 said:
They're not publicly available. Change your folder settings on drop box mate
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My bad, sorry. They should be fine now

ara.armagedon said:
8MP 1.534
8MP 2.257
20MP 1.534
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does not work

btort1 said:
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I'm logged out now and they're working fine, tried them on 3 different browsers

have you trie Pro Capture?
I get better photos. Sharper and more details inside
Maybe only @8MPX

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8MP 1.534
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OK, i can see them now.
This is what you said
The camera takes terrible and I mean terrible pictures,lots and lots of noise and artifacts even in auto mode which only takes 8MP pics.This is not what you hope for when you buy an expensive 20.7MP camera phone.I also have iPhone 5/5S and they take much much better pictures,even though their specs are inferior on paper. You should be ashamed...Am I gonna have to live withit or youregonna fixit?
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I looked at the 8MP, .534 vs .257 and find the .257 to have more detail. Ths ISO for the .257 is at 600 vs 800 for .534
The 20MP have lower ISO of 400 and similar shutter speeds as the 5s.
Comparing the iphone pic & the .257 8MP, can anybody see what he means by lots of noise & artifacts ? Cause i cannot.
The pictures look sharp enough to me, so focus isn't an issue in either. Zooming in 1:1, there is a slightly better edge aronud the bag? with the iphone. But i cannot see why the 8MP .257 shot is a terrible one in comparison to the 5s.
The 5s shots are at ISO 300 and at 1/15s So they will be little less noisy.
So what is dissapointing you ? that the 20.7mp image does not look better than the 8MP one ? that it isn't much better than the 5s ?
Any times where the auto on your 5s does not get it right or is it always perfect.

The moment I use flash, the camera churns out horrible images. It's sad really, makes my Z1 camera photos look worse than anything else (white flash on one side of the image).

https://db.tt/E5Q5vWfs
My singl. Img 2.257

GPKrzychuXxX said:
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My singl. Img 2.257
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thats an excellent photo, makes me wonder if it was taken with the Z1 lol

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thats an excellent photo, makes me wonder if it was taken with the Z1 lol[/QUOTE
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thunderising said:
The moment I use flash, the camera churns out horrible images. It's sad really, makes my Z1 camera photos look worse than anything else (white flash on one side of the image).
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There's something blocking your Flash, mine is perfectly fine with flash
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One Twelve said:
OK, i can see them now.
This is what you said
I looked at the 8MP, .534 vs .257 and find the .257 to have more detail. Ths ISO for the .257 is at 600 vs 800 for .534
The 20MP have lower ISO of 400 and similar shutter speeds as the 5s.
Comparing the iphone pic & the .257 8MP, can anybody see what he means by lots of noise & artifacts ? Cause i cannot.
The pictures look sharp enough to me, so focus isn't an issue in either. Zooming in 1:1, there is a slightly better edge aronud the bag? with the iphone. But i cannot see why the 8MP .257 shot is a terrible one in comparison to the 5s.
The 5s shots are at ISO 300 and at 1/15s So they will be little less noisy.
So what is dissapointing you ? that the 20.7mp image does not look better than the 8MP one ? that it isn't much better than the 5s ?
Any times where the auto on your 5s does not get it right or is it always perfect.
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This is why I was already mad with the support team.
First of all, saying the photos differ because of the ISO while partially true is no excuse, because all the pictures were taken in the same lighting condition and the same focusing area. So the fact that the ISOs differ is actually a software weakness (specially if they differ in the same model, So please don't respond saying something like different lenses because of different phones and so on.)
Second if you really don't see what I'm talking about I'll try just this once to tell you what I mean:
See this again 20MP 2.257
This is the difference between a noisy and non-noisy! :
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Thraxzzz said:
There's something blocking your Flash, mine is perfectly fine with flash
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How is that even possible. I know how to operate a phone camera to not black the flash,
It only happens when I click under low light conditions. Some cheap ass Lenovo phone was churning out better photos than my flagship phone. I felt embarrassed to say the least

Sony Z1 vs iphone5s vs Htc One low light Camera test Shots :D

Was playing with the 3 of them today.
All set to auto and focus mode face detection except the Z1 focus set to single autofocus and gonna show you all why in the end of the thread.
All photos will be uploaded to flickr in the upcoming ours
Please Share your opinions !
So the sequence of photos is
Iphone 5s
Htc one
Sony z1
Iphone 5s 1/15sec iso 400
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Htc one 1/14sec iso 800
Sony 1/10sec iso400
NOW iphone5s duel tone led flash test vs Sony Z1 flash
Sequence is iphone then z1
Iphone 1/16sec iso 80
Sony 1/13sec iso400
Now when focus set to Face detection on the Sony Z1 it detects all faces (as the others did as well ) and thats the result:
Sony was set to Manual mode and all auto just point and shoot.
? what are your thoughts ?!
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Sample pics
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yh1lhkpzszap4t8/4i-skzPXVE
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Looks pretty good. I'm switching to tmo next week when the Z1S comes out to stores. Ill test my n5 and Z1s later.

(Sony was set to Manual mode and all auto just point and shoot) for all images or just the last one?

I just miss my HTC One!
I didn't care about the lighting situation when I wanted to take pics.
Z1 is very good but the HTC was the one for me!

1st set:
The HTC one picked a higher iso and is overexposed.
The Z1 comes across brighter than the 5s. It has 50% longer shutter.
Between the Z1 & 5s which is the more accurate in terms of lighting ?
2nd set
the 5s flash barely seems to register here. But the ISO jumped from 400 to 80. That's over 2 f-stops. So the shot seems underexposed.
Z1 kept the ISO at 400 and got a similar lighted shot.
3rd set with face detection
I'm not sure what to make of this one ? as it appears the brightest of the lot. iso > 400 & no flash ?
What advantage does face detection have and how well does it work.
The problem with tests like these is that there is a random element that gets in the way. people do not sit still and a little movement causes shake, i'm ignoring that.
Also the 5s allows no manual control whatsoever, whatever 5s decides is the best is what you get.

And The winner issssssss Honami
inviato da Note 3

Sony shots were all in Manual mode .
The lights were exactly similar to the z1 ... Although i dont know why i like the htc one shot ..something strange in it shows it so natural.
But the purple tint is affecting my friends' phone too. I tried many times and thats was the least tint in all.
Iphone is very underexposing the scene so bad for me. Even htc with the purple/red noise seems better !
And yes me too agree thats the Z1 is the best too. Seems its the best phone after 1020.
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One Twelve said:
1st set:
The HTC one picked a higher iso and is overexposed.
The Z1 comes across brighter than the 5s. It has 50% longer shutter.
Between the Z1 & 5s which is the more accurate in terms of lighting ?
2nd set
the 5s flash barely seems to register here. But the ISO jumped from 400 to 80. That's over 2 f-stops. So the shot seems underexposed.
Z1 kept the ISO at 400 and got a similar lighted shot.
3rd set with face detection
I'm not sure what to make of this one ? as it appears the brightest of the lot. iso > 400 & no flash ?
What advantage does face detection have and how well does it work.
The problem with tests like these is that there is a random element that gets in the way. people do not sit still and a little movement causes shake, i'm ignoring that.
Also the 5s allows no manual control whatsoever, whatever 5s decides is the best is what you get.
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I would barely see anything in the iphone flash .. Just the coke cans ! While on the z1 its well bright
I guess face detection just raise the EV to expose faces better. Me too cant think of a mechanism rather than this. htc/apple face detection didnt differ with/without detection they just lock focus. While Sony locks focus and change exposure
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ashouhdy said:
I would barely see anything in the iphone flash .. Just the coke cans ! While on the z1 its well bright.
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I meant when you look at the photos, was the lighting as dark as the 5s makes it out to be or as bright as the Z1 portrays it. Or some where in between ?
In this example the 5s & one underperform IMO. This is the problem with this auto business. One day it works well and other times it does not. Cannot say anything conclusive here other than to say in this round the Z1 did the best compared to the others. A few more rounds and it could go either way.

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I meant when you look at the photos, was the lighting as dark as the 5s makes it out to be or as bright as the Z1 portrays it. Or some where in between ?
In this example the 5s & one underperform IMO. This is the problem with this auto business. One day it works well and other times it does not. Cannot say anything conclusive here other than to say in this round the Z1 did the best compared to the others. A few more rounds and it could go either way.
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It was exactly as the first z1 shot
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well i'm dissapointed with Z1 camera , i've came across this Z1 vs HTC One camera test which is very detailed and good with bunch of photos and z1 trully sucked
see this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542663

Glad you already started it, I actually did the same thing I will share my Photos then.
First photo is from HTC One HDR Off and the second one is Sony Xperia Z1 HDR On.
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HTC One HDR is kinda messed up. I am uploading it now and I didn't upload the Sony Xperia Z1 none HDR photo.
Photos from Sony was taken 8MP 16:9 and I used the manual mode cause we all know that Superior auto is really crappy but all the other featurs like ISO and exposure levels are set to auto.

pejakovic1 said:
well i'm dissapointed with Z1 camera , i've came across this Z1 vs HTC One camera test which is very detailed and good with bunch of photos and z1 trully sucked
see this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542663
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all i see in those pics is OVERexposed htc photos and some under exposed (manually set) z1 pics
the htc one got blown sky (highlights) it over expose dark scenes on expense of the already bright one so the results are blown high lights.
the htc one to overcome this issue has taken some of the photos with HDr option ! while some z1 pics is manually set to -1 ev which resulted in some under-exposed (dark) photos.
But for me will take the z1 photos over the htc1 cause i can add exposure to a dark image but i will never get the lost details of the blown up high lights
Just one question: Can u get me a clear view of the blue/sunset sky in the htc photos ?!

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Glad you already started it, I actually did the same thing I will share my Photos then.
First photo is from HTC One and the second one is Sony Xperia Z1.
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nice to see the ONE could focus before flash it was a big issue with me (x-owner of htc1) the one couldn't focus in complete darkness.
the htc1 pic is better white-balanced the z1 screwed up take it again but keep ur finger away from the flash and be sure all settings are in auto.

And another photos in my dark room, all the lights are switched off.
Only I used flashed and HTC took a while to take the photo approximately 5sec yet Xperia Z1 took it faster.
HTC One HDR off:
HTC One HDR on:
Sony Xperia Z1 HDR off:
Sony Xperia Z1 HDR on:
BTW I bought HTC One for my sister since she became a huge fan after Sensation.
and I don't have the phone now. Both phones are running on 4.3
I think Sony needs some brushing up with the camera department, I don't say it's bad but needs some polishing
I am now uploading the Pics I took from HTC One Sony Xperia Z / Z1 and iPhone 5s. all in the same windy day.
I will share them with you guys in a couple of hours to see how the phones did in the night time, plus it was a windy day and cold.

So as I told you that I have uploaded a lots of photos into my drop box.
Don't blame cause I uploded a lot and didn't really separate it like HDR photos and none HDR.
Well for fact I know that iPhone 5s's flash won't work when you turn on HDR so you'll know which one is HDR of iPhone
You do the judgement and I still think Sony needs some improving in camera department.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/g1qx7x2n8ppqwco/EPLjrQKh4w
And according to Josh Xperia Z1s(for T-mobile) camera isn't that great.and it is the same as Z1.
http://youtu.be/ekhkyjiwqtE?t=3m46s

chesterr said:
Don't blame cause I uploded a lot and didn't really separate it like HDR photos and none HDR.
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Unfortunately there is no way to tell them apart for Z1 & HTC one.
I don't understand why you are taking HDR photos indoors. I don't see much improvement at all compared to non-HDR and in some cases even worse as there is blur. Which is to be expected as the dynamic range in a room isn't going to be very high unless you have bright areas mixed in with dark areas by a couple of f-stops at least. There is no benefit to using HDR in this way.
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Well for fact I know that iPhone 5s's flash won't work when you turn on HDR so you'll know which one is HDR of iPhone
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good to know.
chesterr said:
You do the judgement and I still think Sony needs some improving in camera department.
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This is an ongoing process.
chesterr said:
And according to Josh Xperia Z1s(for T-mobile) camera isn't that great.and it is the same as Z1.
http://youtu.be/ekhkyjiwqtE?t=3m46s
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He does not mention whether its SA or manual, though i suspect its SA. Hit & miss.
He does not like 8MP photos as that's the highest you get in 16:9. But 8MP is actually better than 20MP with oversampling. 8MP is good enough for a lot unless you want to make posters. Whatever screen Josh uses cannot display more than 2MP anyway. Or 4MP if he uses a 4k screen.
He mentions losing detail in the dark areas. EV+ required.
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nice to see the ONE could focus before flash it was a big issue with me (x-owner of htc1) the one couldn't focus in complete darkness.
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Focus assist light on htc one not working ?
Dark shots will be a problem with focus. Use Fenix LD01, fits on keychain

the htc one is the strongest flash i met with 5 levels by the way and no focus assist light (Hilarious!)

ashouhdy said:
the htc one is the strongest flash i met with 5 levels by the way and no focus assist light (Hilarious!)
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HTC One has focus assist light lol, it didn't on 4.2.2 , it has it since 4.3 came out.
Edit: here few recent pics taken in pitch black.
6th pic ( the cat ) was taken with something similar to what you guys recently got called * defcous macro *

[PHOTOS] OnePlus One user photo and video discussion thread

This is the OnePlus One user photo and camera discussion thread
Camera features:
Image sensor: Sony BSI Exmor IMX214 CMOS, 1/3.06" sensor size
Lens: F2.0, 6-element auto-focus system
Maximum photo resolution: 4160x3120, 13 megapixels
Front facing camera: 5 megapixels w/80º wide angle
Maximum video resolution: 3840x2160 = 4k at 30FPS, 1920x1080 at 60FPS, 1280x720p at 120FPS
Features: HDR, panorama, image stabilization, face detection, tap to focus, geo-tagging, face-detection
The official OnePlus One camera samples
For more info, full size and EXIF, please visit the OnePlus website here: http://oneplus.net/one#features

If this photos are true i can only say " Its Amazing great!! "
Cheers

xenix96 said:
If this photos are true i can only say " Its Amazing great!! "
Cheers
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The IMX214 is a very capable sensor, and 1+'s ISP (Qualcomm?) looks quality too. Of course much will depend on speed, reliability and low light, I'll be looking to find more shots.

BoneXDA said:
The IMX214 is a very capable sensor, and 1+'s ISP (Qualcomm?) looks quality too. Of course much will depend on speed, reliability and low light, I'll be looking to find more shots.
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As soon as the first users here own a device, this thread will be flooded with shots, I'm sure...

Not my picture but this was my favourite from some of the ones I saw from preproduction models.
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I certainly hope that with real world conditions it can deliver quality like shown above.

The best part is the 2 sensors that i have noticed that perform beautifully are the IMX179 and IMX214. Obvious 214 will be even better for sure.. Really hope they launch the phone around the different parts of the world soon.
Low light capabilities are incredible, if you search you will understand that how its better than A Nikon D3100 in low light.

Jishnu Sur™ said:
The best part is the 2 sensors that i have noticed that perform beautifully are the IMX179 and IMX214. Obvious 214 will be even better for sure.. Really hope they launch the phone around the different parts of the world soon.
Low light capabilities are incredible, if you search you will understand that how its better than A Nikon D3100 in low light.
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Are you going to be picking up this device? I don't care much for cameras but this caught my eye and since you're on here I'm even more excited about the camera.
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FuMMoD said:
Are you going to be picking up this device? I don't care much for cameras but this caught my eye and since you're on here I'm even more excited about the camera.
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Hello Sir !
Nice to see you here too..I'm trying to get this device from Europe somehow.. Seems too good to be true! What interests me is the IMX214 sensor lol..I really need that system dump too!

Jishnu Sur™ said:
Hello Sir !
Nice to see you here too..I'm trying to get this device from Europe somehow.. Seems too good to be true! What interests me is the IMX214 sensor lol..I really need that system dump too!
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You can be sure to get one from me if I get picked with the first batch of invites. If I have to smash my Nexus 5 then I'll do it to get a system dump for the community lol.
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Jishnu Sur™ said:
The best part is the 2 sensors that i have noticed that perform beautifully are the IMX179 and IMX214. Obvious 214 will be even better for sure.. Really hope they launch the phone around the different parts of the world soon.
Low light capabilities are incredible, if you search you will understand that how its better than A Nikon D3100 in low light.
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A good Sony IMX sensor with a proper lens and image signal processor can bring wonderful images, see iPhone 5S. Which is why I'm puzzled to this day how come Sony's own Xperia Z, Z1 and even some Z2 shots look so over-processed, showing some lens inconsistencies and some SW errors too. Both the Oppo Find 7 and the OnePlus One launch with the new IMX214, and I'm curious how will they fare compared to other Exmors, the Lumias and ISOCELL. So far it is promising.

FuMMoD said:
You can be sure to get one from me if I get picked with the first batch of invites. If I have to smash my Nexus 5 then I'll do it to get a system dump for the community lol.
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Cool ! I'll start arranging the money then! hahahaha .. Yes that would be awesome. This thing is surely worth the price they are asking.
Off topic : Thanks are over, cant press Sorry! :crying:
BoneXDA said:
A good Sony IMX sensor with a proper lens and image signal processor can bring wonderful images, see iPhone 5S. Which is why I'm puzzled to this day how come Sony's own Xperia Z, Z1 and even some Z2 shots look so over-processed, showing some lens inconsistencies and some SW errors too. Both the Oppo Find 7 and the OnePlus One launch with the new IMX214, and I'm curious how will they fare compared to other Exmors, the Lumias and ISOCELL. So far it is promising.
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I agree with you on the Sony Devices part. I have seen that actually. Sony likes to complicate stuff, i really don't know why. Where they can have a easy way to fi thing, they go the other way. Trust me they have 3-4 different apps for the camera. You tell me who in 2014 does that?! lol .. And I read an article, the ISOCELL vs the IMX179 comparison. (Here). The IMX was better
I really need to have a look at the Lumia's though, they have almost DSLR type quality..

The S5 camera is much, MUCH better than the Nexus 5 to be frank. But the IMX214 is a new generation Sony sensor.

aren't you guys a bit scared about the camera app?
i've tried few phones with cyanogen camera app and they were all a lot worst than the original rom camera app (samsung devices especially)
at least this time they are working on their hardware so i really hope it'll be a lot better

Nirael said:
aren't you guys a bit scared about the camera app?
i've tried few phones with cyanogen camera app and they were all a lot worst than the original rom camera app (samsung devices especially)
at least this time they are working on their hardware so i really hope it'll be a lot better
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their camera on this phone is completely new and we have seen the pictures right? i dont think it will suck

BoneXDA said:
The IMX214 is a very capable sensor, and 1+'s ISP (Qualcomm?) looks quality too. Of course much will depend on speed, reliability and low light, I'll be looking to find more shots.
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if picture #3 is indeed the correct photo here low light looks amazing
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/contest-guess-the-oneplus-one-photo.368/
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FuMMoD said:
You can be sure to get one from me if I get picked with the first batch of invites. If I have to smash my Nexus 5 then I'll do it to get a system dump for the community lol.
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if you do that the community may have to buy you another nexus to have you keep developing for it :crying: "for the community"

jeremykersh said:
if picture #3 is indeed the correct photo here low light looks amazing
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Remember that these pictures are taken directly from OP's press page—they might have been doctored/photoshopped. On the other hand, I'd be amazed if the camera actually was this good.

klvnhng said:
Remember that these pictures are taken directly from OP's press page—they might have been doctored/photoshopped. On the other hand, I'd be amazed if the camera actually was this good.
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Depending on scene and light conditions, today's smartphones can take impressive photos, see some form my S5 review. As far as dynamic range and per pixel sharpness, 1+1 fits right in among the best of Android photography based on what I've seen so far.

Some of these look really good.
She's a cutie too.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/First-camera-samples-from-the-OnePlus-One-appear_id55043#32-

She is not that bad

Sony's Camera isn't great, but it could be worse...

We all give Sony a hard time for releasing flagship devices with mediocre camera performance. I personally can verify that my previous HTC phones (One mini, One S, and even the Ville aka MyTouch 4G) dating back nearly 4 years all had better color reproduction, white balance, indoor performance, and faster focus and shutter response. None of those were even considered flagship devices at the time of release. We assumed Sony's problem was the software, so many of us searched for 3rd party camera apps such as Google Camera, A Better Camera, Camera FV-5, etc... and some even claimed to get better results using these apps. I've tried just about all of them (free versions only) and never saw any dramatic improvement to make me replace the default camera app. I finally decided to compare shots side by side on a couple of my personal favorite camera apps and here's what I noticed:
The 3rd party apps over-exposed the scene with far too much flash, giving it that cold LED light look, and washing out some of the natural colors. But worst of all, they weren't as clear when zooming in as the default app was. Pay close attention to the can of WD40 in the back. Only the stock app makes the word "Directions" visibly clear. All photos were taken using Auto Mode at 8MP - the setting the average person will use daily.
Sample Photos In Order (from left to right):
- Sony Stock Camera App
- Google Camera App
- OpenCamera App
https://goo.gl/photos/ihkstAg95Ag8rybX7
I took a few comparison shots in scenes that I thought would cause the stock app to falter, but it kept coming through and beating the competition. For example, when taking a picture of a poster that was covered by a slight shadow, the stock app was the only app smart enough to use flash; thereby making the words of the poster much clearer. In another indoor scenario, the competition once again over exposed the scene with too much flash, washing out the colors again. I may post these photos later if you request them.
Moral of the story:
Compared to other smartphones (especially flagships), Sony's camera is simply one of the worst performers. <-----(This is a click-able link to the results of a test article) There is no argument here and someone from Sony needs to do something about it. But as for the stock Sony camera app, it appears to utilize the camera better than 3rd party apps can. So if you want to make the best of out our bad situation, stick with the stock camera app.

I agree that the camera on the Z3C is somewhat lacking.
Outdoors in good light it can produce some really nice photos (some of the time) although even in good conditions it still seems to make a mess of things on occasions. Indoors and low light it's just plain terrible. I've done a back to back comparison with my rather elderly SGS3 and in most circumstances the SGS3 knocks the spots off the Z3C.
The problem is marketing.
In order to produce compelling marketing material, Sony developed the 20MP sensor and put this in all their flagship phones. This is way too many MP for such a small sensor and as such the quality suffers badly in anything other than bright sunlight. Even when interpolating the image down to 8MP you still see way more noise than the equivalent true 8MP sensor and the details are mushed to buggery. I'd be happy for the resolution on smartphones to top out at 10MP, which should be enough for 4K video and multiple aspect ratios (not that I think 4K video from a smartphone has much use).

sensor not bad, driver sometimes is...
Exmor IMX220 Shoot Out – Meizu MX4 Pro vs Sony Xperia Z3
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Wajk said:
sensor not bad, driver sometimes is...
Exmor IMX220 Shoot Out – Meizu MX4 Pro vs Sony Xperia Z3
indeed sony's pic are washed out but the looking at the "lay's" and "muji" comparision, meizu's pics are blurred.
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We all know auto mode sucks isn't that right? Well Sony hasn't designed this phone for you, i have taken some absolutely stunning photos that my friends think were taken with a proper camera. The truth is that I'm a photographer that tries to push the hardware and software to the limit and if your having a good day you can produce stunning works of art. Sure there's a bit of noise but you can't expect fullframe image quality on this sensor. Taking a backwards step from my Nex7 to the Z3 compact was a great learning experience. If you're a photographer that likes to push the limits of a camera this one is for you, if your the average joe your wasting your time. Think about it, when you buy a camera what is the point of using auto mode when it limits the amount of control you have over a photo. Its like driving an automatic transmission car at a drag race.

As a photographer, you of all people should understand that a camera phone is not likely to be used when taking serious photos. This is designed to be a point and shoot replacement for selfies, pictures of food, group photos of friends in a restaurant, etc... This phone's camera isn't a complete failure by any means, but it simply doesn't perform as well as phones from 2-3 years ago under the most basic condition (indoors). I'm just finding it difficult to explain why my $500 flagship phone takes overexposed, blurry photos when my old phones (none of which were even flagship models) did not.

Starlith said:
We all know auto mode sucks isn't that right? Well Sony hasn't designed this phone for you, i have taken some absolutely stunning photos that my friends think were taken with a proper camera. The truth is that I'm a photographer that tries to push the hardware and software to the limit and if your having a good day you can produce stunning works of art. Sure there's a bit of noise but you can't expect fullframe image quality on this sensor. Taking a backwards step from my Nex7 to the Z3 compact was a great learning experience. If you're a photographer that likes to push the limits of a camera this one is for you, if your the average joe your wasting your time. Think about it, when you buy a camera what is the point of using auto mode when it limits the amount of control you have over a photo. Its like driving an automatic transmission car at a drag race.
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I am also a photographer (enthusiastic amateur and no expert for sure) who has worked for a software company in the digital imaging industry for 7 years. I get to sample a lot of cameras; including pre-production test mules, some of which never make it due to unrecoverable issues. I have tried the Z3C in every conceivable mode and it's still a disappointment in low light and unpredictable when it's good light. A brief summary of the biggest issues I've seen would include:
1) Poor light performance - It's not even low light, the performance is poor in moderate lighting conditions (20MP is too much for such a small sensor and lens)
2) Unpredictable auto focus - It misses what should be an easy AF fix more often than it should do
3) Too much NR - TBH this is a personal criticism of almost every camera currently made, but the NR on the Z3C is a bit nasty
4) Even the best shots seem to lack "definition"
I'm not saying that the camera is a complete dead-loss, but for a flagship smartphone it's not as good as I would expect. I don't think that I've taken a single picture with it where I've got home, uploaded it to my PC and thought it was really good. I've checked back through my SGS3 pictures and at a glance the best images look like they've come from a "proper" camera, I can't say that for many of the Z3C images. I'd really like to be able to get RAW images out of the camera to see what is possible with decent post processing, but it doesn't seem like that is going to happen any time soon.
If you could give some hints about how to get the most out of the camera, then I for one would very much appreciate it.

mad-marco said:
I am also a photographer (enthusiastic amateur and no expert for sure) who has worked for a software company in the digital imaging industry for 7 years. I get to sample a lot of cameras; including pre-production test mules, some of which never make it due to unrecoverable issues. I have tried the Z3C in every conceivable mode and it's still a disappointment in low light and unpredictable when it's good light. A brief summary of the biggest issues I've seen would include:
1) Poor light performance - It's not even low light, the performance is poor in moderate lighting conditions (20MP is too much for such a small sensor and lens)
2) Unpredictable auto focus - It misses what should be an easy AF fix more often than it should do
3) Too much NR - TBH this is a personal criticism of almost every camera currently made, but the NR on the Z3C is a bit nasty
4) Even the best shots seem to lack "definition"
I'm not saying that the camera is a complete dead-loss, but for a flagship smartphone it's not as good as I would expect. I don't think that I've taken a single picture with it where I've got home, uploaded it to my PC and thought it was really good. I've checked back through my SGS3 pictures and at a glance the best images look like they've come from a "proper" camera, I can't say that for many of the Z3C images. I'd really like to be able to get RAW images out of the camera to see what is possible with decent post processing, but it doesn't seem like that is going to happen any time soon.
If you could give some hints about how to get the most out of the camera, then I for one would very much appreciate it.
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I agree with you, it does have its limits and they are really weird limits. For example when in manual mode anything that is set to auto including white balance and focus is either hit or miss, there is no touch metering, i have taken some stunners but they required me to work hard for it such as adjusting wb, iso, focus mode. Even the background defocus app which produced amazing photos btw i had to work really hard for. All that work on a phone is exhausting. Too many apps complicate the camera app and the post processing algorithm is inconsistent. Im interested what the results would be with a lens similar to the iPhone 6. The best thing about the camera is the wide angle lens but no one really cares for that.

Starlith said:
I agree with you, it does have its limits and they are really weird limits. For example when in manual mode anything that is set to auto including white balance and focus is either hit or miss, there is no touch metering, i have taken some stunners but they required me to work hard for it such as adjusting wb, iso, focus mode. Even the background defocus app which produced amazing photos btw i had to work really hard for. All that work on a phone is exhausting. Too many apps complicate the camera app and the post processing algorithm is inconsistent. Im interested what the results would be with a lens similar to the iPhone 6. The best thing about the camera is the wide angle lens but no one really cares for that.
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I personally don't even like the wide angle lens. It just forces me to stand that much closer to my subject to properly frame the shot. Then, if using flash, you blind them because you're standing 1 foot in front of their face. Anyway, I thought a sony branded lens/sensor was being used on most high end phones these days... even the iPhone? We just got stuck with poor image processing.

PuffDaddy_d said:
I personally don't even like the wide angle lens. It just forces me to stand that much closer to my subject to properly frame the shot. Then, if using flash, you blind them because you're standing 1 foot in front of their face. Anyway, I thought a sony branded lens/sensor was being used on most high end phones these days... even the iPhone? We just got stuck with poor image processing.
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When you buy a phone you don't expect it to take pictures like an SLR Camera would, that being said though I still think 20 mp is more than enough for taking snapshots. If you complain about the camera quality then you shouldn't have bought a phone in the first place and buy a DSLR instead.

and if you came from a Nokia flagship this difference is even bigger ....

Revontheus said:
When you buy a phone you don't expect it to take pictures like an SLR Camera would, that being said though I still think 20 mp is more than enough for taking snapshots. If you complain about the camera quality then you shouldn't have bought a phone in the first place and buy a DSLR instead.
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I've already got several DSLR's thanks very much. I don't think that anyone is expecting DSLR like quality, in fact you seem to be the only person who has brought this up.
I think that what people would like is the the camera on Sony's flagship smartphones to be comparable with other smartphones, especially the ones that have the same sensor hardware!!! It's a disappointment that the 2/3 year old SGS3 produces superior photos than the current Sony flagships, the current Samsung 16MP cameras are vastly superior.

Revontheus said:
When you buy a phone you don't expect it to take pictures like an SLR Camera would, that being said though I still think 20 mp is more than enough for taking snapshots. If you complain about the camera quality then you shouldn't have bought a phone in the first place and buy a DSLR instead.
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You have completely missed the point of this thread. It has nothing to do with expecting DSLR quality from a camera phone. We just don't want pictures to look like they were taken from a flip phone from 2006 - which is what this camera looks like when taking photos indoors. A flagship phone needs a flagship camera, and Sony's image processing has left us without, while all other major manufacturers are using some form of Sony image sensor and getting much better results.
But as my original post indicates, the best photos I've been able to get from this camera are with the stock camera app. All others seem to fall short when viewed on a larger screen.

ray_J13 said:
Wajk said:
sensor not bad, driver sometimes is...
Exmor IMX220 Shoot Out – Meizu MX4 Pro vs Sony Xperia Z3
indeed sony's pic are washed out but the looking at the "lay's" and "muji" comparision, meizu's pics are blurred.
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Seems to me the camera glass on her Z3C was a bit smudged... That would explain the haze.
And the small details on the Z3C look much better and cleaner at 100% zoom than on the Meizu, even if the Z3C was a bit out of focus.
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I'm so disappointed in this camera. I took my Z3C and my old HTC Droid Incredible 2 to a concert last night. Inc2's pics were much crisper and cleaner. The videos were better as well (at 720p), though the sound on the Z3C's vids were better. Inc2 is what, 4 years old?
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Crewville96 said:
I'm so disappointed in this camera. I took my Z3C and my old HTC Droid Incredible 2 to a concert last night. Inc2's pics were much crisper and cleaner. The videos were better as well (at 720p), though the sound on the Z3C's vids were better. Inc2 is what, 4 years old?
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Yes, this is our point exactly! The Z3C camera has far more advanced technology in it, yet the results are sub par to midrange and outdated phones. Care to share any of your pics for reference?
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PuffDaddy_d said:
Yes, this is our point exactly! The Z3C camera has far more advanced technology in it, yet the results are sub par to midrange and outdated phones. Care to share any of your pics for reference?
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I can upload the vids and couple pics. None of the pics are really the same for comparison since i was in the crowd at the concert though. But you can get a general idea.

PuffDaddy_d said:
Yes, this is our point exactly! The Z3C camera has far more advanced technology in it, yet the results are sub par to midrange and outdated phones. Care to share any of your pics for reference?
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Here's my vids. One is from my old Droid Incredible 2 (2011, running GB) the other is from my Z3C (2014, running LP). I'll let you guys judge which vid is better.

That concert looks like it was a lot of fun! I watched both videos on full screen and i personally think the top video looks better - less grainy and handled the bright lighting much better.

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That concert looks like it was a lot of fun! I watched both videos on full screen and i personally think the top video looks better - less grainy and handled the bright lighting much better.
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Yep, just cleaner and sharper overall. Thats the Droid Incredible 2 video (720 only as well, Z3C is at 1080 lol).