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Camera Really is good!
http://cdn.recombu.com/mobile/images/news/M19527/1378734152.jpg
http://cdn.recombu.com/mobile/images/news/M19527/1378734206.jpg
http://cdn.recombu.com/mobile/images/news/M19527/1378734309.jpg
http://cdn.recombu.com/mobile/images/news/M19527/1378734366.jpg
http://cdn.recombu.com/mobile/images/news/M19527/1378734396.jpg
and in gsmarena have some samples too
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperi...d-to-nokia-lumia-1020s-41mp-pureview-monster/
Nokia 1020
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics//13/09/xperia-z1-vs-nokia-lumia-1020/camera/gsmarena_001.jpg
Xperia Z1
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics//13/09/xperia-z1-vs-nokia-lumia-1020/camera/gsmarena_002.jpg
Nokia 1020
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics//13/09/xperia-z1-vs-nokia-lumia-1020/camera/gsmarena_005.jpg
Xperia Z1
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics//13/09/xperia-z1-vs-nokia-lumia-1020/camera/gsmarena_006.jpg

matheus_sc said:
Camera Really is good!
and in gsmarena have some samples too
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperi...d-to-nokia-lumia-1020s-41mp-pureview-monster/
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Link for the pics??? how are we supposed to evaluate 250x250 pixel photos
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recombu.com
guess I didn't see the writing on the wall...but a link would have been easier

shea-bird said:
Link for the pics??? how are we supposed to evaluate 250x250 pixel photos
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recombu.com
guess I didn't see the writing on the wall...but a link would have been easier
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in gsm have full quality pics, i pick the links and add in topic.

It seems much better than xperia z!!!

Not impressive. Not much better than other phones with smaller sensors. Others even have OIS which the Z1 lacks. It can only shoot in 8MP in 16:9 and with the default superior auto mode. The resolution is no better than other cameras, nor the pixel size. It always amazes me how Sony can screw up using their own sensors, like they did with the Xperia Z, when other companies can use their Exmor RS sensors and do wonders, like Samsung and Apple. These images aren't convincing me of the ONE SONY. The Cybershot division is probably hanging up their phones and turning up their noses in disgust whenever the smartphone division tries to collaborate. Old traditions and rivalries die hard. They sure aren't gonna divulge any secrets for such petty things as CELLPHONE cameras.

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Not impressive. Not much better than other phones with smaller sensors. Others even have OIS which the Z1 lacks. It can only shoot in 8MP in 16:9 and with the default superior auto mode. The resolution is no better than other cameras, nor the pixel size. It always amazes me how Sony can screw up using their own sensors, like they did with the Xperia Z, when other companies can use their Exmor RS sensors and do wonders, like Samsung and Apple. These images aren't convincing me of the ONE SONY. The Cybershot division is probably hanging up their phones and turning up their noses in disgust whenever the smartphone division tries to collaborate. Old traditions and rivalries die hard. They sure aren't gonna divulge any secrets for such petty things as CELLPHONE cameras.
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It's the 3rd post made by you in which you act like a baby. I ask again, what is your problem? Don't post at all if the only thing you have to say is that sony screwed everyone and everything. You repeat it over and over again in every reply I have seen in Z1 part of the forum.
Get out of here if you can't act like a normal human being!

katamari201 said:
Not impressive. Not much better than other phones with smaller sensors. Others even have OIS which the Z1 lacks. It can only shoot in 8MP in 16:9 and with the default superior auto mode. The resolution is no better than other cameras, nor the pixel size. It always amazes me how Sony can screw up using their own sensors, like they did with the Xperia Z, when other companies can use their Exmor RS sensors and do wonders, like Samsung and Apple. These images aren't convincing me of the ONE SONY. The Cybershot division is probably hanging up their phones and turning up their noses in disgust whenever the smartphone division tries to collaborate. Old traditions and rivalries die hard. They sure aren't gonna divulge any secrets for such petty things as CELLPHONE cameras.
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Sony doesn't have OIS because it doesn't need them, they already have Steadyshot which is a hardware + software stabilizer...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SteadyShot
". It uses motion sensors to detect the user's movements. SteadyShot then compensates for some of these movements, in some versions by moving the optics and in some versions by moving the image sensor in an opposite direction to the movement."
only time will tell who is better...
Go buy your G2 or HTC, we will buy the Z1, and lets see who will be the first to sell his phone

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Sony doesn't have OIS because it doesn't need them, they already have Steadyshot which is a hardware + software stabilizer...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SteadyShot
". It uses motion sensors to detect the user's movements. SteadyShot then compensates for some of these movements, in some versions by moving the optics and in some versions by moving the image sensor in an opposite direction to the movement."
only time will tell who is better...
Go buy your G2 or HTC, we will buy the Z1, and lets see who will be the first to sell his phone
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Actually, for some time already Sony is using digital version of Steadyshot for video cameras and even in their flagship DSLT's.
It gives results comparable to sensor shift stabilisation but without drawbacks like increased power consumption and heat generation.
So in case of video recording that is good that they have included Steadyshot for video recording that really makes a difference and isn't only typical digital stabilisation with different name.

Thanks for those examples not looking bad at all at this stage.

katamari201 said:
Not impressive. Not much better than other phones with smaller sensors. Others even have OIS which the Z1 lacks. It can only shoot in 8MP in 16:9 and with the default superior auto mode. The resolution is no better than other cameras, nor the pixel size. It always amazes me how Sony can screw up using their own sensors, like they did with the Xperia Z, when other companies can use their Exmor RS sensors and do wonders, like Samsung and Apple. These images aren't convincing me of the ONE SONY. The Cybershot division is probably hanging up their phones and turning up their noses in disgust whenever the smartphone division tries to collaborate. Old traditions and rivalries die hard. They sure aren't gonna divulge any secrets for such petty things as CELLPHONE cameras.
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Superior auto in demo is beta, said em some videos.
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Wishmaster89 said:
It's the 3rd post made by you in which you act like a baby. I ask again, what is your problem? Don't post at all if the only thing you have to say is that sony screwed everyone and everything. You repeat it over and over again in every reply I have seen in Z1 part of the forum.
Get out of here if you can't act like a normal human being!
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Though the Xperia Z1 easily aces through the rest, he feels extremely insecure about Sony grand success. Don't worry. It's normal for a Samsung fanboy. Even Recombu, the one who took and posted the photos say XPERIA Z1 is the winner.

It's true, maybe the camera from z1 is not very good, but that's probably because of firmware. I took some photos in low light conditions and pictures are full of noise.. Let's wait for some updates.

Some real positives in this test, look great compared to the 808 and HTC One mini.
http://mblog.gsmarena.com/a-shootou...8-pureview-shows-great-promise-from-the-sony/
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Maybe is best Android smartphone camera until now.
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matheus_sc said:
Maybe is best Android smartphone camera until now.
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It's looking that way
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matheus_sc said:
Maybe is best Android smartphone camera until now.
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You mean it is the best camera now! Just needs the software to be update then will be perfect!

Sony Xperia Z1 vs Nokia Lumia 1020 shootout surfaces, yields surprising results
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperi...d-to-nokia-lumia-1020s-41mp-pureview-monster/

Xperia-Lover said:
It seems much better than xperia z!!!
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Not it's not, also the 20Mpxl pics are resampled to 8MPxl by the phone with bad compression system :
http://www.androidpit.fr/test-sony-xperia-z1
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Maybe it's due to bad settings etc... we can make easy extrapolations but the camera doesn't seems to be really better than the Z, and it's still worst than the latest Lumia, Carl Zeiss stuff can't be beat...

QualQuek said:
Not it's not, also the 20Mpxl pics are resampled to 8MPxl by the phone with bad compression system :
http://www.androidpit.fr/test-sony-xperia-z1
Maybe it's due to bad settings etc... we can make easy extrapolations but the camera doesn't seems to be really better than the Z, and it's still worst than the latest Lumia, Carl Zeiss stuff can't be beat...
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Wow,Hope the upgrade will solve those problems!

Xperia-Lover said:
Wow,Hope the upgrade will solve those problems!
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you are right when i purchase htc one photo quality very poor then i update one then photo quality improved
i think update improve quality

Engadget Review

Engadget Review is out:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/24/sony-xperia-z1-review/
looks like they have some nice words for the Z1.
I will get my Z1 sometime this week and we'll see how it turns out, but im quite optimistic :victory:.

The benchmarks of this review are wrong
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theres one problem with everyone regarding sony phones they never ever like them they always like the samsung iphones and htc
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matheus_sc said:
The benchmarks of this review are wrong
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Just got mine, still 518 fw though
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Ame123 said:
theres one problem with everyone regarding sony phones they never ever like them they always like the samsung iphones and htc
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Yes you're right, but considering how engadget gives it's critics to other devices, I think it says allot that they are pretty pleased with the Z1
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They fail to point out that all the camera issues can be fixed with a software update!

TheCraig said:
They fail to point out that all the camera issues can be fixed with a software update!
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a camera update isnt going to make the camera better than the lumia 1020. the problem with the engadget review is they compare it only to the 1020. 42 mp sensor vs 21 not really a fair comparison. No amount of software updates are gonna make them even.
Never the less i turned off x reality and have seen an improvement in battery life. Gotta thank this review for that

billybobjones said:
a camera update isnt going to make the camera better than the lumia 1020. the problem with the engadget review is they compare it only to the 1020. 42 mp sensor vs 21 not really a fair comparison. No amount of software updates are gonna make them even.
Never the less i turned off x reality and have seen an improvement in battery life. Gotta thank this review for that
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Software updates can address the Xperia Z1's current issues (noise, etc) and I never expected its camera to be on par or even exceed Illumina's 1020...

TheCraig said:
Software updates can address the Xperia Z1's current issues (noise, etc) and I never expected its camera to be on par or even exceed Illumina's 1020...
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then you dont understand camera sensors and I would suggest you read more on what makes a camera good. Lumia 1020 has a better sensor and no matter how good the xperia z1 may be, it cant reach lumia 1020 level. If it by some miracle does, that means nokia should update their lumia software and it would beat the z1 again.

billybobjones said:
then you dont understand camera sensors and I would suggest you read more on what makes a camera good. Lumia 1020 has a better sensor and no matter how good the xperia z1 may be, it cant reach lumia 1020 level. If it by some miracle does, that means nokia should update their lumia software and it would beat the z1 again.
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.. did you even bother to read the post you were responding to?
Anyways, considering the Z1 didn't ship with its final camera firmware it's been doing pretty well for itself so far. Very excited to see what improvements will come when the proper software is released.

billybobjones said:
then you dont understand camera sensors and I would suggest you read more on what makes a camera good. Lumia 1020 has a better sensor and no matter how good the xperia z1 may be, it cant reach lumia 1020 level. If it by some miracle does, that means nokia should update their lumia software and it would beat the z1 again.
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If you actually read my post then you would know I accept that the Z1 can not match the 1020. Take the time to read instead of jumping to conclusions before you get to the end of the sentence.
And as far as my sensor understanding goes there are two types, CCD and CMOS. The Exmor happens to be a CMOS, CCD normally has less noise with CMOS having more noise, I also think that CMOS is MUCH more power efficient, CCD also captures more light. It's not much but its more than what the average consumer knows.
Anyway you got that from my initial post? Did I even say the Xperia Z1 has a camera even rivaling the 1020? My post was a sentence and you didn't get to the end.

So I read the review (I've been thinking about buying this phone, as I need a camera, and a new phone), and I noticed that Engadget said:
To explore this, we had to switch back to manual mode and set resolution to 20.7MP again. It's worth noting that this kills a bunch of camera options, such as HDR, scene selection and digital image stabilization -- but it was the only way to push the Z1's sensor to its limits.
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This made me sad. Does this mean that the phone won't take 20MP HDR photos?
Other than that, it seems to be a good phone.
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TheCraig said:
If you actually read my post then you would know I accept that the Z1 can not match the 1020. Take the time to read instead of jumping to conclusions before you get to the end of the sentence.
And as far as my sensor understanding goes there are two types, CCD and CMOS. The Exmor happens to be a CMOS, CCD normally has less noise with CMOS having more noise, I also think that CMOS is MUCH more power efficient, CCD also captures more light. It's not much but its more than what the average consumer knows.
Anyway you got that from my initial post? Did I even say the Xperia Z1 has a camera even rivaling the 1020? My post was a sentence and you didn't get to the end.
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Hey sorry just looking out from in the guy your debating with actually said he does not think that the z1 can keep up with the Nokia but hopes that a update can help with some noise issues and softness , not to beat the Nokia but to overall help with the IQ of the z1. Hope that helps. And software can help with image quality as in proper exposure and the right ISO and shutter speed settings when in auto. Its true that you can not help grain pattern because this is a sensor specific thing but the amount of grain or noise can be helped and the amount of processing e.g sharpening can also be helped with software.
Z1 has great specs they need to work on the software to help it shine.
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TheCraig said:
If you actually read my post then you would know I accept that the Z1 can not match the 1020. Take the time to read instead of jumping to conclusions before you get to the end of the sentence.
And as far as my sensor understanding goes there are two types, CCD and CMOS. The Exmor happens to be a CMOS, CCD normally has less noise with CMOS having more noise, I also think that CMOS is MUCH more power efficient, CCD also captures more light. It's not much but its more than what the average consumer knows.
Anyway you got that from my initial post? Did I even say the Xperia Z1 has a camera even rivaling the 1020? My post was a sentence and you didn't get to the end.
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I read through all the posts and no where did you state it would be better or even match the 1020 with a software update you just mentioned it needs a software update to get the best out of the Z1 camera.
I agree the camera should be way better than what it is and if it can produce a clean image with minimal noise AND fix that superior auto then that is all that matters imho.
There is a lot of potential in this phone and I hope Sony can really get the most out of it.

I think we can all agree that it isn't challenging the 1020 at the moment and isn't likely to do so. But yeah software updates to clear up the current issues should help a lot.

TheCraig said:
I think we can all agree that it isn't challenging the 1020 at the moment and isn't likely to do so. But yeah software updates to clear up the current issues should help a lot.
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Took some proper photos outside today and detail was fine but for some reason lighting was a bit ****ed up... It came out a bit dark.. They really need to fix the camera firmware ASAP!

Xperia Z1 2nd Place in DxO Mark's Overall Mobile Camera Ranking

Apparently, DxO Mark just gave out a score to Xperia Z1 and amazingly, just sits at 2nd place behind the Pureview 808 in overall Mobile Camera Ranking! :victory:
And that's without the "firmware updates" that will supposedly improve the camera!
I can't post the link as I'm still within the new user limitation of posting outside links. But if you're curious to see it, just do a quick google search for DxOMark and Xperia Z1!
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Actually, the stills for Z1 stands at 5th place, however the video was deemed to be outstanding and the best in the mobile cameras and just 2nd place in their database behind the GoPro Hero 3!
If you're wondering what happened to the 1020, they also have an article on it and while they deemed the stills to be amazing and 2nd only to the 808. However, video was said to be lacking.
What are your thoughts?

bloodfire1004 said:
Apparently, DxO Mark just gave out a score to Xperia Z1 and amazingly, just sits at 2nd place behind the Pureview 808 in overall Mobile Camera Ranking! :victory:
And that's without the "firmware updates" that will supposedly improve the camera!
I can't post the link as I'm still within the new user limitation of posting outside links. But if you're curious to see it, just do a quick google search for DxOMark and Xperia Z1!
More details:
Actually, the stills for Z1 stands at 5th place, however the video was deemed to be outstanding and the best in the mobile cameras and just 2nd place in their database behind the GoPro Hero 3!
If you're wondering what happened to the 1020, they also have an article on it and while they deemed the stills to be amazing and 2nd only to the 808. However, video was said to be lacking.
What are your thoughts?
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I guess the big sensor is the key here. Dxomark doesn't reflect the real life though. I'm not very happy with the z1 camera... far too noisy especially at 20mp. Still better than my older nexus 4 anyway.

j0sh0 said:
I guess the big sensor is the key here. Dxomark doesn't reflect the real life though. I'm not very happy with the z1 camera... far too noisy especially at 20mp. Still better than my older nexus 4 anyway.
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Just curious, what settings are you using? I'm pretty satisfied with the Z1 Camera of mine, but that was after tweaking some of the shooting settings I'm in. At first, I was pretty disappointed as well but now I think I'm good.

bloodfire1004 said:
Just curious, what settings are you using? I'm pretty satisfied with the Z1 Camera of mine, but that was after tweaking some of the shooting settings I'm in. At first, I was pretty disappointed as well but now I think I'm good.
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I bought the phone yesterday so I'm still testing it. At the moment I like to shoot in manual mode at 8mp with image stabiliser on.

j0sh0 said:
I bought the phone yesterday so I'm still testing it. At the moment I like to shoot in manual mode at 8mp with image stabiliser on.
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Ah ok. That's good then. Shooting at 20MP especially in low-light results in (I'm not sure why) worse pictures than shooting at 8MP 4:3 .. in my tests, it resulted in darker images.
I also like to shoot at 8MP 4:3 to take advantage of the oversampling and leave the rest of the settings to Auto. One thing though is that I turn off the Stabilizer. I found that turning it on resulted in the camera choosing a much higher ISO than intended compared when leaving it off. This may be due to its detection of slight handshake movements and it tries to compensate by upping the ISO in favor of a faster shutter speed.

bloodfire1004 said:
Ah ok. That's good then. Shooting at 20MP especially in low-light results in (I'm not sure why) worse pictures than shooting at 8MP 4:3 .. in my tests, it resulted in darker images.
I also like to shoot at 8MP 4:3 to take advantage of the oversampling and leave the rest of the settings to Auto. One thing though is that I turn off the Stabilizer. I found that turning it on resulted in the camera choosing a much higher ISO than intended compared when leaving it off. This may be due to its detection of slight handshake movements and it tries to compensate by upping the ISO in favor of a faster shutter speed.
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Yes shooting at 20mp is useless. Pics are so noisy... it's a shame. At 8mp the image quality is pretty good and yes, with the stabiliser on the iso is higher for that reason. But I prefer a bit more noise other than a blurred image.

j0sh0 said:
Yes shooting at 20mp is useless. Pics are so noisy... it's a shame. At 8mp the image quality is pretty good and yes, with the stabiliser on the iso is higher for that reason. But I prefer a bit more noise other than a blurred image.
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Nice. What metering and focus are you using? Particularly for macro / night shots. I find that using Single Auto Focus setting doesn't keep the whole image in focus and just the middle part, but I find that the multi-auto focus setting doesn't do too well either particularly in macro shots. Currently, I shoot in landscape mode when shooting macro.

I'm using metering average (it seems to do a better job with white balance as well). About focus I always use touch focus... I like to choose what I want in focus...
I love th bokeh management of the lens.. look at this for example
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j0sh0 said:
I'm using metering average (it seems to do a better job with white balance as well). About focus I always use touch focus... I like to choose what I want in focus...
I love th bokeh management of the lens.. look at this for example
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Ohh nice, I'm gonna try that out Thanks!

j0sh0 said:
I bought the phone yesterday so I'm still testing it. At the moment I like to shoot in manual mode at 8mp with image stabiliser on.
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And there's you mistake - the software image stabiliser introduces noise. Switch it off.

Timaustin2000 said:
And there's you mistake - the software image stabiliser introduces noise. Switch it off.
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Yeah, I know... but as I said I prefer a slighty noiser image than a blurred one. I'll try again without stabiliser anyway.

j0sh0 said:
Yeah, I know... but as I said I prefer a slighty noiser image than a blurred one. I'll try again without stabiliser anyway.
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Hopefully new update has improved superior auto mode...

Try night mode can reduce noise.
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Why is everyone so scared of noise I just don't get it. If the fine detail is their don't worry about the noise.
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Yeah. The Z1 does lovely bokeh.

here is theDxO report for the Z1 which i could not find on DxO's website.
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I dont think samsung software is better, have more mods, but is very large and camera lags, i have gs4 9500 until last week
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What i find telling from that review is this graph.
Above 80 lux the S4 shots have more 'texture' than the Z1.
Contrary to what people might think the Z1 has the best noise reduction indoors.

bloodfire1004 said:
Apparently, DxO Mark just gave out a score to Xperia Z1 and amazingly, just sits at 2nd place behind the Pureview 808 in overall Mobile Camera Ranking! :victory:
And that's without the "firmware updates" that will supposedly improve the camera!
I can't post the link as I'm still within the new user limitation of posting outside links. But if you're curious to see it, just do a quick google search for DxOMark and Xperia Z1!
More details:
Actually, the stills for Z1 stands at 5th place, however the video was deemed to be outstanding and the best in the mobile cameras and just 2nd place in their database behind the GoPro Hero 3!
If you're wondering what happened to the 1020, they also have an article on it and while they deemed the stills to be amazing and 2nd only to the 808. However, video was said to be lacking.
What are your thoughts?
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Not much of a fan of them anymore, after I wrote to them to see if they would do the Xperia Z test again after Sony updating the firmware to fix the bad camera quality, they didn't even respond to me. On the flip side it is Sony's fault for shipping substandard equipment, get all the important things right first, especially the camera when they are making such a big deal about how amazing it is.

DxO finally got around to testing the G2. Overall G2 placed 6th. However in the photo section it ties with the Z1 in terms of score. A closer examination of the parameters tested shows the Z1 edges ahead slighlty.
Where the Z1 comes out ahead : Exposure & Contrast, Colour, Noise Reduction, Flash
Where the G2 comes out ahead : Autofocus, Texture, Artifacts
4 > 3 or Z1 ahead by a little.
What lets the G2 down is video, where its ranked 15th to the Z1's 2nd place.
If you consider phones alone, Z1 has the best video out there.
Now we have to wait for DxO to test the Note 3 to see whether it will affect the Z1's ranking.

Sorry to jump here like that, I don't even know all this stuff but after read what you guys saying is like the camera on Z1 was made for experienced people who know how to set up the device. This is a phone anyway and I like to go around and shooting everything but almost of the pictures are crap. That how shouldn't be with a camera on a phone with 20mpx.

Sony's Camera isn't great, but it could be worse...

We all give Sony a hard time for releasing flagship devices with mediocre camera performance. I personally can verify that my previous HTC phones (One mini, One S, and even the Ville aka MyTouch 4G) dating back nearly 4 years all had better color reproduction, white balance, indoor performance, and faster focus and shutter response. None of those were even considered flagship devices at the time of release. We assumed Sony's problem was the software, so many of us searched for 3rd party camera apps such as Google Camera, A Better Camera, Camera FV-5, etc... and some even claimed to get better results using these apps. I've tried just about all of them (free versions only) and never saw any dramatic improvement to make me replace the default camera app. I finally decided to compare shots side by side on a couple of my personal favorite camera apps and here's what I noticed:
The 3rd party apps over-exposed the scene with far too much flash, giving it that cold LED light look, and washing out some of the natural colors. But worst of all, they weren't as clear when zooming in as the default app was. Pay close attention to the can of WD40 in the back. Only the stock app makes the word "Directions" visibly clear. All photos were taken using Auto Mode at 8MP - the setting the average person will use daily.
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- Sony Stock Camera App
- Google Camera App
- OpenCamera App
https://goo.gl/photos/ihkstAg95Ag8rybX7
I took a few comparison shots in scenes that I thought would cause the stock app to falter, but it kept coming through and beating the competition. For example, when taking a picture of a poster that was covered by a slight shadow, the stock app was the only app smart enough to use flash; thereby making the words of the poster much clearer. In another indoor scenario, the competition once again over exposed the scene with too much flash, washing out the colors again. I may post these photos later if you request them.
Moral of the story:
Compared to other smartphones (especially flagships), Sony's camera is simply one of the worst performers. <-----(This is a click-able link to the results of a test article) There is no argument here and someone from Sony needs to do something about it. But as for the stock Sony camera app, it appears to utilize the camera better than 3rd party apps can. So if you want to make the best of out our bad situation, stick with the stock camera app.

I agree that the camera on the Z3C is somewhat lacking.
Outdoors in good light it can produce some really nice photos (some of the time) although even in good conditions it still seems to make a mess of things on occasions. Indoors and low light it's just plain terrible. I've done a back to back comparison with my rather elderly SGS3 and in most circumstances the SGS3 knocks the spots off the Z3C.
The problem is marketing.
In order to produce compelling marketing material, Sony developed the 20MP sensor and put this in all their flagship phones. This is way too many MP for such a small sensor and as such the quality suffers badly in anything other than bright sunlight. Even when interpolating the image down to 8MP you still see way more noise than the equivalent true 8MP sensor and the details are mushed to buggery. I'd be happy for the resolution on smartphones to top out at 10MP, which should be enough for 4K video and multiple aspect ratios (not that I think 4K video from a smartphone has much use).

sensor not bad, driver sometimes is...
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Wajk said:
sensor not bad, driver sometimes is...
Exmor IMX220 Shoot Out – Meizu MX4 Pro vs Sony Xperia Z3
indeed sony's pic are washed out but the looking at the "lay's" and "muji" comparision, meizu's pics are blurred.
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We all know auto mode sucks isn't that right? Well Sony hasn't designed this phone for you, i have taken some absolutely stunning photos that my friends think were taken with a proper camera. The truth is that I'm a photographer that tries to push the hardware and software to the limit and if your having a good day you can produce stunning works of art. Sure there's a bit of noise but you can't expect fullframe image quality on this sensor. Taking a backwards step from my Nex7 to the Z3 compact was a great learning experience. If you're a photographer that likes to push the limits of a camera this one is for you, if your the average joe your wasting your time. Think about it, when you buy a camera what is the point of using auto mode when it limits the amount of control you have over a photo. Its like driving an automatic transmission car at a drag race.

As a photographer, you of all people should understand that a camera phone is not likely to be used when taking serious photos. This is designed to be a point and shoot replacement for selfies, pictures of food, group photos of friends in a restaurant, etc... This phone's camera isn't a complete failure by any means, but it simply doesn't perform as well as phones from 2-3 years ago under the most basic condition (indoors). I'm just finding it difficult to explain why my $500 flagship phone takes overexposed, blurry photos when my old phones (none of which were even flagship models) did not.

Starlith said:
We all know auto mode sucks isn't that right? Well Sony hasn't designed this phone for you, i have taken some absolutely stunning photos that my friends think were taken with a proper camera. The truth is that I'm a photographer that tries to push the hardware and software to the limit and if your having a good day you can produce stunning works of art. Sure there's a bit of noise but you can't expect fullframe image quality on this sensor. Taking a backwards step from my Nex7 to the Z3 compact was a great learning experience. If you're a photographer that likes to push the limits of a camera this one is for you, if your the average joe your wasting your time. Think about it, when you buy a camera what is the point of using auto mode when it limits the amount of control you have over a photo. Its like driving an automatic transmission car at a drag race.
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I am also a photographer (enthusiastic amateur and no expert for sure) who has worked for a software company in the digital imaging industry for 7 years. I get to sample a lot of cameras; including pre-production test mules, some of which never make it due to unrecoverable issues. I have tried the Z3C in every conceivable mode and it's still a disappointment in low light and unpredictable when it's good light. A brief summary of the biggest issues I've seen would include:
1) Poor light performance - It's not even low light, the performance is poor in moderate lighting conditions (20MP is too much for such a small sensor and lens)
2) Unpredictable auto focus - It misses what should be an easy AF fix more often than it should do
3) Too much NR - TBH this is a personal criticism of almost every camera currently made, but the NR on the Z3C is a bit nasty
4) Even the best shots seem to lack "definition"
I'm not saying that the camera is a complete dead-loss, but for a flagship smartphone it's not as good as I would expect. I don't think that I've taken a single picture with it where I've got home, uploaded it to my PC and thought it was really good. I've checked back through my SGS3 pictures and at a glance the best images look like they've come from a "proper" camera, I can't say that for many of the Z3C images. I'd really like to be able to get RAW images out of the camera to see what is possible with decent post processing, but it doesn't seem like that is going to happen any time soon.
If you could give some hints about how to get the most out of the camera, then I for one would very much appreciate it.

mad-marco said:
I am also a photographer (enthusiastic amateur and no expert for sure) who has worked for a software company in the digital imaging industry for 7 years. I get to sample a lot of cameras; including pre-production test mules, some of which never make it due to unrecoverable issues. I have tried the Z3C in every conceivable mode and it's still a disappointment in low light and unpredictable when it's good light. A brief summary of the biggest issues I've seen would include:
1) Poor light performance - It's not even low light, the performance is poor in moderate lighting conditions (20MP is too much for such a small sensor and lens)
2) Unpredictable auto focus - It misses what should be an easy AF fix more often than it should do
3) Too much NR - TBH this is a personal criticism of almost every camera currently made, but the NR on the Z3C is a bit nasty
4) Even the best shots seem to lack "definition"
I'm not saying that the camera is a complete dead-loss, but for a flagship smartphone it's not as good as I would expect. I don't think that I've taken a single picture with it where I've got home, uploaded it to my PC and thought it was really good. I've checked back through my SGS3 pictures and at a glance the best images look like they've come from a "proper" camera, I can't say that for many of the Z3C images. I'd really like to be able to get RAW images out of the camera to see what is possible with decent post processing, but it doesn't seem like that is going to happen any time soon.
If you could give some hints about how to get the most out of the camera, then I for one would very much appreciate it.
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I agree with you, it does have its limits and they are really weird limits. For example when in manual mode anything that is set to auto including white balance and focus is either hit or miss, there is no touch metering, i have taken some stunners but they required me to work hard for it such as adjusting wb, iso, focus mode. Even the background defocus app which produced amazing photos btw i had to work really hard for. All that work on a phone is exhausting. Too many apps complicate the camera app and the post processing algorithm is inconsistent. Im interested what the results would be with a lens similar to the iPhone 6. The best thing about the camera is the wide angle lens but no one really cares for that.

Starlith said:
I agree with you, it does have its limits and they are really weird limits. For example when in manual mode anything that is set to auto including white balance and focus is either hit or miss, there is no touch metering, i have taken some stunners but they required me to work hard for it such as adjusting wb, iso, focus mode. Even the background defocus app which produced amazing photos btw i had to work really hard for. All that work on a phone is exhausting. Too many apps complicate the camera app and the post processing algorithm is inconsistent. Im interested what the results would be with a lens similar to the iPhone 6. The best thing about the camera is the wide angle lens but no one really cares for that.
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I personally don't even like the wide angle lens. It just forces me to stand that much closer to my subject to properly frame the shot. Then, if using flash, you blind them because you're standing 1 foot in front of their face. Anyway, I thought a sony branded lens/sensor was being used on most high end phones these days... even the iPhone? We just got stuck with poor image processing.

PuffDaddy_d said:
I personally don't even like the wide angle lens. It just forces me to stand that much closer to my subject to properly frame the shot. Then, if using flash, you blind them because you're standing 1 foot in front of their face. Anyway, I thought a sony branded lens/sensor was being used on most high end phones these days... even the iPhone? We just got stuck with poor image processing.
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When you buy a phone you don't expect it to take pictures like an SLR Camera would, that being said though I still think 20 mp is more than enough for taking snapshots. If you complain about the camera quality then you shouldn't have bought a phone in the first place and buy a DSLR instead.

and if you came from a Nokia flagship this difference is even bigger ....

Revontheus said:
When you buy a phone you don't expect it to take pictures like an SLR Camera would, that being said though I still think 20 mp is more than enough for taking snapshots. If you complain about the camera quality then you shouldn't have bought a phone in the first place and buy a DSLR instead.
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I've already got several DSLR's thanks very much. I don't think that anyone is expecting DSLR like quality, in fact you seem to be the only person who has brought this up.
I think that what people would like is the the camera on Sony's flagship smartphones to be comparable with other smartphones, especially the ones that have the same sensor hardware!!! It's a disappointment that the 2/3 year old SGS3 produces superior photos than the current Sony flagships, the current Samsung 16MP cameras are vastly superior.

Revontheus said:
When you buy a phone you don't expect it to take pictures like an SLR Camera would, that being said though I still think 20 mp is more than enough for taking snapshots. If you complain about the camera quality then you shouldn't have bought a phone in the first place and buy a DSLR instead.
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You have completely missed the point of this thread. It has nothing to do with expecting DSLR quality from a camera phone. We just don't want pictures to look like they were taken from a flip phone from 2006 - which is what this camera looks like when taking photos indoors. A flagship phone needs a flagship camera, and Sony's image processing has left us without, while all other major manufacturers are using some form of Sony image sensor and getting much better results.
But as my original post indicates, the best photos I've been able to get from this camera are with the stock camera app. All others seem to fall short when viewed on a larger screen.

ray_J13 said:
Wajk said:
sensor not bad, driver sometimes is...
Exmor IMX220 Shoot Out – Meizu MX4 Pro vs Sony Xperia Z3
indeed sony's pic are washed out but the looking at the "lay's" and "muji" comparision, meizu's pics are blurred.
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Seems to me the camera glass on her Z3C was a bit smudged... That would explain the haze.
And the small details on the Z3C look much better and cleaner at 100% zoom than on the Meizu, even if the Z3C was a bit out of focus.
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I'm so disappointed in this camera. I took my Z3C and my old HTC Droid Incredible 2 to a concert last night. Inc2's pics were much crisper and cleaner. The videos were better as well (at 720p), though the sound on the Z3C's vids were better. Inc2 is what, 4 years old?
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Crewville96 said:
I'm so disappointed in this camera. I took my Z3C and my old HTC Droid Incredible 2 to a concert last night. Inc2's pics were much crisper and cleaner. The videos were better as well (at 720p), though the sound on the Z3C's vids were better. Inc2 is what, 4 years old?
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Yes, this is our point exactly! The Z3C camera has far more advanced technology in it, yet the results are sub par to midrange and outdated phones. Care to share any of your pics for reference?
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PuffDaddy_d said:
Yes, this is our point exactly! The Z3C camera has far more advanced technology in it, yet the results are sub par to midrange and outdated phones. Care to share any of your pics for reference?
Sent from my Xperia Z3 Compact
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I can upload the vids and couple pics. None of the pics are really the same for comparison since i was in the crowd at the concert though. But you can get a general idea.

PuffDaddy_d said:
Yes, this is our point exactly! The Z3C camera has far more advanced technology in it, yet the results are sub par to midrange and outdated phones. Care to share any of your pics for reference?
Sent from my Xperia Z3 Compact
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Here's my vids. One is from my old Droid Incredible 2 (2011, running GB) the other is from my Z3C (2014, running LP). I'll let you guys judge which vid is better.

That concert looks like it was a lot of fun! I watched both videos on full screen and i personally think the top video looks better - less grainy and handled the bright lighting much better.

PuffDaddy_d said:
That concert looks like it was a lot of fun! I watched both videos on full screen and i personally think the top video looks better - less grainy and handled the bright lighting much better.
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Yep, just cleaner and sharper overall. Thats the Droid Incredible 2 video (720 only as well, Z3C is at 1080 lol).

It might be impossible to fix this one Galaxy S20 Ultra autofocus issue

The Galaxy S20 Ultra’s ambitious camera system has been marred by autofocus issues ever since it was released, and while the company has largely addressed this with early firmware updates, one particular issue might not be as easy to fix.
Taking photos of close objects with the Galaxy S20 Ultra can lead to mixed results, and in the worst case scenarios, the camera fails to autofocus, leading to blurry shots. A Samsung moderator on Samsung members recently talked about this problem in a post on the Korean forums and revealed that it might not be possible to fix it with a firmware update.
The focal length is determined by the lens specifications
According to the Samsung moderator, the increased size of the S20 Ultra’s sensor results in a shallow depth of field and longer focal length of 10cm or more, therefore, it may fail to focus when photographing objects up-close. More importantly, because the focal length is determined by the lens specifications, this shortcoming is difficult to correct with software.
In other words, autofocus should no longer be an issue for the Galaxy S20 Ultra in general applications, but loss of focus can still occur at close range due to the focal length being longer than usual (the Galaxy S20 and S20+ have a slightly shorter focal length as they use a different main camera sensor). Basically, it’s a physical characteristic of the Galaxy S20 Ultra’s 108MP camera that owners of the device will have to live with.
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How do you think about this ? :crying:
Bad lens ?? why xiaomi not have this issue ?
Does Samsung call back S20 ultra ?
https://www.sammobile.com/news/impossible-fix-one-galaxy-s20-ultra-autofocus-issue/

Yeah I read it. I'm really disappointed with Samsung now, spent tons of money and we get this "engineering problem".
Will Note 20 have the same issue?!

stygi4n said:
Yeah I read it. I'm really disappointed with Samsung now, spent tons of money and we get this "engineering problem".
Will Note 20 have the same issue?!
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don't be disappoiinted, samsung don't talk about autofocus there, but about shooting close object like macro shot.
why don't people realized that the S20 ultra is not nuild to macro shot?
all devices with special lens for macro have macro mod in the photo software.
the main sensor is bigger than usual on phone device and like DSLR it's hard to make macro shot

Such a misleading title , surprised to see that from sammobile !! the moderator on the sourced forum is clearly talking about macro focus or narrow field of view on closer subjects , and sammobile stupidly understood it for autofocus.

Don’t worry. Samsung will be on fire with massive updates.
And no one is stupid here.
Plz correct if aim wrong. Term Autofocus is it not applicable for macro mode?
On S20/s20+, why Samsung use 12mp as primary camera?
Even on S20 if we use 64mp we have auto focus issue.
Do u see users blaming S20 for auto focus problem?
Defending is not correct. If there is a mistake, let that be pointed out. So at least mistake will not be repeated.
This is flagship device & the most expensive phone as of. Such mistakes are not acceptable.
More over if it could have been fix by software. Why it has not been addressed yet.
bala_gamer said:
Such a misleading title , surprised to see that from sammobile !! the moderator on the sourced forum is clearly talking about macro focus or narrow field of view on closer subjects , and sammobile stupidly understood it for autofocus.
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It's misleading. Yes there is focal length for lens but not sensor.
Mayb there is a translation error there, focal length has nothing to do with sensor.
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Whats misleading?
As an user i dont need to understand the physics. no one is interested. we need end result.
Auto focus can it be fixed or not?

VRaju said:
Whats misleading?
As an user i dont need to understand the physics. no one is interested. we need end result.
Auto focus can it be fixed or not?
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Auto focus is not the issue when it comes to macro shooting. Try opening your eyes wide open and place an object up close to them. It will be blurry. That is how the main sensor is set up. There isn't an issue with it. There was a reason the camera on the Ultra is different from the s20 and the plus. Those are geared more toward the average consumer. There are lenses the cost thousands of dollars that do exactly what the Ultra's does. It is the user's job to do some research before purchasing a product. If you like taking macro shots, the Ultra may not be the phone for you.

For a phone that was sold like a camera revolution and situated as the most expensive phone in the market and you can't compare it not even with a phone that cost have of his money ( Google Pixel 4XL is £750) is such dissapointing. I payed so much money ob this phone and I'm forced to take my old Pixel 3XL with me whenever I'm going out .. After the Note7 Saga I'm again dissapointed by Samsung for delivering such a poor professionalism regarding the release of their products.

VRaju said:
Whats misleading?
As an user i dont need to understand the physics. no one is interested. we need end result.
Auto focus can it be fixed or not?
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The S20U takes very pleasant pictures, as mentioned the lens is supposed to work like that, since it has a fixed aperture. AF was indeed bad at the beginning but it has improved a lot. I am no Sammy fan, just my honest opinion, people should understand how physics of aperture and minimum focus distance
works.
I am very pleased with my phone and the pictures it takes. I am coming from an Xperia 1 and S8, for me the quality is absolutely amazing with recent updates.

VRaju said:
Whats misleading?
As an user i dont need to understand the physics. no one is interested. we need end result.
Auto focus can it be fixed or not?
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no it cant be fixed just with software its a hardware issue 108 mp lense

Is taking a picture of a Check considered a Macro shot? Because if so I don't have any problems direct depositing checks to my bank with the phone camera. If your hands are not steady it will take an out of focus picture. But if you hold the camera still until after the picture is taken it comes out fine for me. But I am on the U.S. Snap Dragon version.

So u mean to say people must study and understand physics before they buy s20u. I dint know there was such criteria to buy phones these days...
All ur saying is don’t judge by the spec given by manufacturers. Users must be educated to buy phone. Haha
Even i like Samsung devices.given choice bw op8 pro and s20p..ill still go for s20p. But I don’t expect Samsung to deceive users with such crabs.
cletusindia said:
The S20U takes very pleasant pictures, as mentioned the lens is supposed to work like that, since it has a fixed aperture. AF was indeed bad at the beginning but it has improved a lot. I am no Sammy fan, just my honest opinion, people should understand how physics of aperture and minimum focus distance
works.
I am very pleased with my phone and the pictures it takes. I am coming from an Xperia 1 and S8, for me the quality is absolutely amazing with recent updates.
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Here is my take on this situation assuming it really can't be fixed.
I have been a loyal Samsung fan since the very first Galaxy S phone. I remember they had a promotion where i ended up getting the Avatar movie on an SD Card and i have been upgrading every year since then. The way i see it based on personal usuage, the problem is really with Close up pic or Macro shot. Besides that i really dont have an autofocus issue when it comes to taking regular pictures. It did had a focus hunting issue in video at launch but that has been fixed. Having said that this phone is everything i would want with a $1,400 price tag, great battery life, massive screen, crazy good display, smoothness etc. It still has an overall very good camera.
Yes, of course I would be happy if it had no issue whatsoever but i wont be like those we keep complaining about a very situational issue. Unless you have a hobby of taking macro shots like all the time, i really dont see the point of all of the complaints. As for me who dont take macro, i am still happily enjoying my device everyday.

Djapatos said:
Here is my take on this situation assuming it really can't be fixed.
I have been a loyal Samsung fan since the very first Galaxy S phone. I remember they had a promotion where i ended up getting the Avatar movie on an SD Card and i have been upgrading every year since then. The way i see it based on personal usuage, the problem is really with Close up pic or Macro shot. Besides that i really dont have an autofocus issue when it comes to taking regular pictures. It did had a focus hunting issue in video at launch but that has been fixed. Having said that this phone is everything i would want with a $1,400 price tag, great battery life, massive screen, crazy good display, smoothness etc. It still has an overall very good camera.
Yes, of course I would be happy if it had no issue whatsoever but i wont be like those we keep complaining about a very situational issue. Unless you have a hobby of taking macro shots like all the time, i really dont see the point of all of the complaints. As for me who dont take macro, i am still happily enjoying my device everyday.
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Well said, I find using pro mode, setting manual focus all the way down (flower icon) and then moving phone back and forth from subject until it's sharp works best for me. The peaking highlights (green) aren't always spot on so need to do some trial and error to get it where it works best for your case.

First Sorry for my bad English
1 , shoot a near subject (distance 3-10cm) is not marco shot.
Ss need to notify to customer about this feature ( or engineering problems ) before i bought this phone.
Loock at iphone 11 pro,huawei p40 pro, oppo find x2 pro,... it shoot well every distance even day light or low light picture are same quality with s20u.
2. Some people say buy gaming phone for play game .
Look at iphone and other phones again. Many phones do well everthing not like s20u
When i play pubg after 4- 5 round my phone is too hot, the phone very lagging than first round . why 1400$ phone can like that ?
Iphone 11 pro have 4000mah and it has battery onscreen longer than s20u 5000 mah
Samsung has problems and we need to tell samsung fix it and don't do that again. No one have many free time to tell "i have problems" when they don't have problems.
Sorry for my bad English.

Well said.
buy a ferrair car and get it pulled by manual car.
Couz many believe it was meant to be used like that.
Very strange comments & really hard to digest.
cpufrost said:
Well said, I find using pro mode, setting manual focus all the way down (flower icon) and then moving phone back and forth from subject until it's sharp works best for me. The peaking highlights (green) aren't always spot on so need to do some trial and error to get it where it works best for your case.
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truonglam said:
First Sorry for my bad English
1 , shoot a near subject (distance 3-10cm) is not marco shot.
Ss need to notify to customer about this feature ( or engineering problems ) before i bought this phone.
Loock at iphone 11 pro,huawei p40 pro, oppo find x2 pro,... it shoot well every distance even day light or low light picture are same quality with s20u.
2. Some people say buy gaming phone for play game .
Look at iphone and other phones again. Many phones do well everthing not like s20u
When i play pubg after 4- 5 round my phone is too hot, the phone very lagging than first round . why 1400$ phone can like that ?
Iphone 11 pro have 4000mah and it has battery onscreen longer than s20u 5000 mah
Samsung has problems and we need to tell samsung fix it and don't do that again. No one have many free time to tell "i have problems" when they don't have problems.
Sorry for my bad English.
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Please define the distance of a macro shot.
Show us pictures made from 50 mm distance made by iPhone 11 pro,then magnify this picture 10x
I will be very surprised if the results are good.
Attached pics are made from 100,50 and 40 mm.
The only good result is the 100 mm picture,since even after 10x magnification the result is good .
All pics were made under identical conditions,
Phone on small wooden blocks of 40,50 and 100 mm thickness.
I think 100mm distance is the nearest distance you can make high quality photo's with any smartphone.

I don't even see this as an ultra issue. I have the S20 (non ultra, non +) and I swear none of my pictures are ever in focus. They all seem *just* out of focus and makes them all look terrible. It is really disappointing me.

jdubya42 said:
I don't even see this as an ultra issue. I have the S20 (non ultra, non +) and I swear none of my pictures are ever in focus. They all seem *just* out of focus and makes them all look terrible. It is really disappointing me.
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can you try to clean your phone app data and wype cache?