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Effective display size.

I'm not sure if you guys and noticed by the navigation touch buttons on the Nexus 4 take away from the effective display size. It might be a 4.7 inch display but it looks smaller considering the buttons are on there almost all the time. If you look at the sgs3 you can notice how much more space that frees up. Not to mention the fact that on the bottom part of the screen there is enough space they could have placed said Navigation buttons. A poor design choice? It surely bothers me a lot. Its like having a 4 inch display phone in your hand. I wonder what happens during video playback.
Your thoughts on the matter?
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Its way more convenient than buttons on the bottom. You dont have to reach as far. Plus the home button on the s3 is terrible

Its full screen on video playback
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The nav bar is about 8mm high, it's not too bad.
Custom ROMs will let you hide it as well.

Rusty! said:
The nav bar is about 8mm high, it's not too bad.
Custom ROMs will let you hide it as well.
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And change the height.

Yea and with custom ROMs like aokp we will be able to change the size of them. I know U shouldn't have to but we will have options. I felt the galaxy nexus had good screen real estate even with that bottom bezel that was atrocius

KossKnowsKarate said:
I'm not sure if you guys and noticed by the navigation touch buttons on the Nexus 4 take away from the effective display size. It might be a 4.7 inch display but it looks smaller considering the buttons are on there almost all the time. If you look at the sgs3 you can notice how much more space that frees up. Not to mention the fact that on the bottom part of the screen there is enough space they could have placed said Navigation buttons. A poor design choice? It surely bothers me a lot. Its like having a 4 inch display phone in your hand. I wonder what happens during video playback.
Your thoughts on the matter?
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It is like this on the Galaxy Nexus; I personally prefer it as the navigation bar can be dynamic compared to hard buttons.
I also like the "black void" look of the Galaxy Nexus/Nexus 4, much cleaner and more futuristic looking.

The navigation-bar normally should be 48.0dip in height. Now you can calculate what the "real" screen size is

The nav bar is one of my favourite features on this phone.

I'm in the group that dislikes it. I can turn them on with my galaxy s3 if I want . So technically wouldn't that mean I have more options lol. I can use on screen or the ones in bezel stock.
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m11kkaa said:
The navigation-bar normally should be 48.0dip in height. Now you can calculate what the "real" screen size is
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It's 84 pixels in height, not 48.
So it makes the effective resolution of Nexus 4 as 1196*768. And the aspect ratio is almost a 3:2.

I said dpi and not pixel. dpi=dots per inch.
I took a look at the framework of a JB-rom of another device but it should be same for all.

I just want to be able to hide them automatically when I haven't got my finger there like how you can hide the Windows Taskbar when the mouse isn't there. Then to stop it from popping up when you're pinching to zoom just make it so if two fingers are on the screen at the same time it doesn't pop up.

Venekor said:
I just want to be able to hide them automatically when I haven't got my finger there like how you can hide the Windows Taskbar when the mouse isn't there. Then to stop it from popping up when you're pinching to zoom just make it so if two fingers are on the screen at the same time it doesn't pop up.
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How about a bottom-up swipe, like the current GNow execution?
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I said dpi and not pixel. dpi=dots per inch.
I took a look at the framework of a JB-rom of another device but it should be same for all.
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hm....DPI is dot per inch. 48 DPI means 48 dots per inch. That doesn't make sense if you want to say the height of the buttons.

you can calculate physical available screen size with both dpi and px but dpi is used mainly for those calculations.

richteralan said:
It's 84 pixels in height, not 48.
So it makes the effective resolution of Nexus 4 as 1196*768. And the aspect ratio is almost a 3:2.
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See? That what I really dislike
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Zurginator said:
How about a bottom-up swipe, like the current GNow execution?
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What's this?
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How about a bottom-up swipe, like the current GNow execution?
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That's nice.
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The size of the navbar is 48ppi, point per inch.....I like it better on 36 or 32, but 32 has an high learning curve
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Nexus 4 Display

I have a Nexus 7 thinking about a Nexus 4. Do you loose about .3" of display diagonal because of lower 3 key area like you do on the N7? So the 4.7" display is really only 4.4" usable? I also thinking about a Note II, you get a full 5.5".

The Nexus 4 is fine. The screen is rather large. It's quite the same size as the GS3.
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I think most of us ditch the navbar at the earliest opportunity and claim the full 4.7" back.
Then use 'pie' controls of some sort or 'button saviour', where you slide you finger/thumb from your chosen area of screen to bring up navigation controls... even though i explained it badly it works well.

I just placed an order for the nexus 4 and I kinda had the same concern. I get what you mean by sliding from the edge of the screen to bring up nav menu. Could you please provide some links to help me look into it more?
Thanks
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I used GMD Gesture Control to remove the soft keys and notification bar at top. This app also lets you assign an easy gesture or screen swipe to replace the back and home keys. It's awesome https://play.google.com/store/apps/...nb29kbW9vZGRyb2lkLmdlc3R1cmVjb250cm9sZGVtbyJd
I also use Nova Launcher Prime and the Tesla Unread add-on that tells me when I've missed a call or text on screen. https://play.google.com/store/apps/...sMSwxLDMsImNvbS50ZXNsYWNvaWxzdy5ub3RpZmllciJd
Lastly, I use Battery widget reborn Beta to check on my battery life at a glance. https://play.google.com/store/apps/...m5ldC5odWJhbGVrLmFuZHJvaWQucmVib3JuLmJldGEiXQ..
With all of this stuff I linked, you can free up your screen real estate and never miss a step.
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^ could've simply taken a screenshot
the colors on your screen are great! very vivid and well saturated!

SeraldoBabalu said:
^ could've simply taken a screenshot
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but then you would just see the screen with no way of getting a feeling how the full screen mode actually looks if you use the device

scream4cheese said:
The Nexus 4 is fine. The screen is rather large. It's quite the same size as the GS3.
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I dunno.. Last time I checked, 4.7 and 4.8 were not the same hehe

tcat007 said:
I have a Nexus 7 thinking about a Nexus 4. Do you loose about .3" of display diagonal because of lower 3 key area like you do on the N7? So the 4.7" display is really only 4.4" usable? I also thinking about a Note II, you get a full 5.5".
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its a weird trend. i mean who cares really. youre loosing a couple of pixels so what. android is programmed to take them away anyway when needed, the bar will change position, make way or disappear completely when needed. its flexible. whats more important, its made for fast mavigation, it feels natural the way it is and google had that in mind for sure.
i've always felt that navigation on hardware crippled phones feels awkward, its like out of place. buttons are not placed where you can reach them, they're hidden away to make way for a monstrous display and that will diminish your experience. software buttons give you both, large screen when needed and fast, integrated navigation that is part of the whole.
ps.
as for your n7, theres so many options. gesture based, pie, or androids native UI's. i run my n7 in phone UI for instance which does wonders. the bar will nicely cling to the side in landscape orientation. if you use tabUI the space that you loose is minimal, the same actually as with a hardwarebutton device - one unified bar. its available for phones as well and works just as well

Moles is right. As cool as pie controls are, I prefer googles on screen implementation for general usage because its fast, responsive and convenient.
However it is nice to have the full 4.7 inches while using certain apps like games, readers, gallery etc. Flash a ROM that supports expandable desktop like PA and you can customize the screen real estate per app, to your liking.
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Opinions on the power button placement.

I really want to like the HTC one for its design, screen and sound quality. But I just can't fathom the placement of the power button. It just makes no sense on such a tall phone. HTC is the ONLY manufacturer that places the power button on the top of such large devices. This fact alone should have been noticed by HTC.
Ya there is the volume wake mod but you still have to lock the device and using a widget for it is not a good solution. The power button is the single most used thing on a smartphone so to have it in such an awkward place is such a compromise that one really shouldn't have to make. This isn't a technical limitation or anything but just a poor decision by HTC. I hope they release a refresh version of the one with a side power button, the device would be nearly perfect then.
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I really doubt they'll release a refresh with that change. It's just a power button in the end
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What is this "htc"of which you speak? Is it some new device made by Samsung?
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It's because the power button acts as an IR.
It had to be there. If it was on the side, you would have to use your phone in portrait mode nonstop when controlling the TV.

EAK47 said:
It's because the power button acts as an IR.
It had to be there. If it was on the side, you would have to use your phone in portrait mode nonstop when controlling the TV.
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Or they could've did what samsung did with the GS IV.

It has never bothered me, and to be honest I prefer it to how it was on my Note 2.
Because my Note 2 was in a case, which meant that I had to push the buttons harder, I couldn't push the power button without accidentally activating the volume buttons and vice versa. It got to be very annoying.
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Not an issue with me... My current phone has it's power button in the same location as HTC One.
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It seems to be counter intuitive especially when compared to a power button on the side. You have to re position your grip to reach the top of the device which adds the possibility of dropping your device.
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I hate the side power button personally, as it is very easy to hit it mistakenly, such as when you hand your phone to somebody else, and a top power button always felt more ergonomic to me. The side power button also made the phone wake up in my pocket.
However, they should definitely stick to one side for the power button, and not switch it around like the One X, One and Butterfly.
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I've gotten used to the power button being on the side after owning two Galaxy devices. I previously used two HTC devices with the power button on the top left just like the One, however, I prefer the side layout. It's much easier to power on the phone and turn the screen on/off.

The power button is the single most used thing on a smartphone
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I disagree. I use it when I pick up the phone and then again when I put it down or into my pocket. In both instances I find it easy to just hit the button wherever it is. I'I'm currently using an iphone and an Asus tablet both of which have the button in more or less the same place. I'm more concerned about one-handedly hitting the back button and home button (which I bet gets used a whole lot more than the power button).

The power button sure is pressed often. But on the One, its kinda easy to reach. Tho I would've preferred it to be on the right side, like the Nexus 4 has. The IR sensor could've been a seperate module on the top, would've looked great as well.
The One is pretty "long" in terms of build and design, therefore, people with smaller hands will have a tough time reaching the power button with only one hand available. I can manage it barely, even tho I have pretty big hands....

Somebody mentioned vol wake. Venom Rom has vol wake and vol lock - its what I've used for the past 6 month due to a broken power button. So if venom Rom cones here problem solved. Not sure if it is though.....
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Hmm. I guess I'm in the minority then. I always, always use two hands to hold my phone, since my hands are too small to just use one. I've never thought twice about where the power button is because I have to shift my grip regardless.
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I'm left handed and I am stoked about the placement of the power button.
Really really dont like power on side of device.

Not really a big deal if you ask me... Unless of course you only have 1 hand? If my other hand is busy I'm pretty sure my pointer finger could reach it. I don't have any difficulties reaching the top left power button of my current phone. And the HTC One is just .5 or .6 inches higher than my current phone.

Maybe I'll practice whacking myself in the forehead with the top of the phone.
Problem solved...

Vol wake is available on trick droid
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I must admit, I preferred it on the side like my Galaxy Nexus. But as someone else said, handing your phone to someone else (such as scanning it as a boarding pass in the airport) meant half the time they'd turn it off again, and the placement on the One should avoid this. I daresay I'll get used to it in time as well.

msavic6 said:
It seems to be counter intuitive especially when compared to a power button on the side. You have to re position your grip to reach the top of the device which adds the possibility of dropping your device.
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Seriously, your p*ssed about having to re position your grip lol ?
Surely a two second hand movement isn't that much of a pain ?

New Nexus 7 power button

is that normal that the power button is so difficult to press??? this is a photo... it is no perfectly aligned. Can you share a photo of your own?
I buy It yesterday so if you tell me that this is not normal I can replace it with a new ones.
Thanks

black_mambo said:
is that normal that the power button is so difficult to press??? this is a photo... it is no perfectly aligned. Can you share a photo of your own?
I buy It yesterday so if you tell me that this is not normal I can replace it with a new ones.
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I have the same device. There not that hard to press to me.
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keynith said:
I have the same device. There not that hard to press to me.
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Also your power button is not so raised like the volume button? If you take the device in a vertical position the high zone of the power button is more "pressed" in the cover than the lower one. Can you confirm that is like my description also in you device?
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black_mambo said:
Also your power button is not so raised like the volume button? If you take the device in a vertical position the high zone of the power button is more "pressed" in the cover than the lower one. Can you confirm that is like my description also in you device?
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Now that i look, yours looks like it wasn't installed right.
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I will take pics of mine when I get home for u. I can tell you that mine isn't hard to push.
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black_mambo said:
is that normal that the power button is so difficult to press??? this is a photo... it is no perfectly aligned. Can you share a photo of your own?
I buy It yesterday so if you tell me that this is not normal I can replace it with a new ones.
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This is exactly like mine, so I guess its normal.

I'll admit I struggle to find it quickly, there's lots of fiddling going on. It's the only negative about a great little tablet, maybe I'll get used to it.
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Same here, hard to find and press. I would prefer a more ' evident' one.
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I'll admit I struggle to find it quickly, there's lots of fiddling going on. It's the only negative about a great little tablet, maybe I'll get used to it.
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I'll admit I struggle to find it quickly, there's lots of fiddling going on. It's the only negative about a great little tablet, maybe I'll get used to it.
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Install a custom kernel w/ double tap to wake or s2w... makes life a lot easier double tapping the screen than fumbling around trying to find the power button.

Just fyi this is due to slight differences in the way it is assembled. I have 2 N7 2013's and one has a very solid, clicky, power button which feels great and feels like a real button. The other one has a noticeably smushier feel when pressed, but at least it isn't unevenly oriented like yours. You could exchange for another one, but if you've been following these forums you know that the feel of the power button is the least of the factors that should be considered when deciding to exchange or not.

Thank you so much for your photo but I think that mine is faulty. That's a photo of how it must be. In mine I can't see the left part of the button that is inside the back cover of the device.

black_mambo said:
Thank you so much for your photo but I think that mine is faulty. That's a photo of how it must be. In mine I can't see the left part of the button that is inside the back cover of the device.
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Yea mine looks like that one. You definitely got a defective button.
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SubMatrix said:
Just fyi this is due to slight differences in the way it is assembled. I have 2 N7 2013's and one has a very solid, clicky, power button which feels great and feels like a real button. The other one has a noticeably smushier feel when pressed, but at least it isn't unevenly oriented like yours. You could exchange for another one, but if you've been following these forums you know that the feel of the power button is the least of the factors that should be considered when deciding to exchange or not.
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thank you so much for your suggestion.

black_mambo said:
thank you so much for your suggestion.
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If you don't mind not having it for a couple weeks I bet Asus would fix it under warranty since it's a defect and not your fault.
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DowntownJeffBrown said:
If you don't mind not having it for a couple weeks I bet Asus would fix it under warranty since it's a defect and not your fault.
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I will send the device directly to the online store where I buy the n7. They will send me another new one free.. 10 days warranty with the shop ... I will let you know ... thanks for your help.

black_mambo said:
Thank you so much for your photo but I think that mine is faulty. That's a photo of how it must be. In mine I can't see the left part of the button that is inside the back cover of the device.
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I agree you have a fault. Exchange or warranty fix.
My 1st Nexus 7 (2013) screen broke. I took the screen off to fix. So I just checked the buttons on the inside.
Basically, both should stick out equally. There is a small elastic connector on both sides of the power button. One of yours might have broken. The volume is one big button for both up and down combined. So the elastic bands are much farther apart. Both volume switches push out this button. So, everything has to be assembled perfectly or the power button will be mushy or out of alignment. Much more flexibility on the volume buttons.
Good luck.

black_mambo said:
is that normal that the power button is so difficult to press??? this is a photo... it is no perfectly aligned. Can you share a photo of your own?
I buy It yesterday so if you tell me that this is not normal I can replace it with a new ones.
Thanks
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If you are rooted, try flashing the elementalx kernel, you just double tap the screen to turn it on, or swipe along the bottom to turn on as well.
Just another option. I hate the power button position, so that kernel fixes my need to use the button almost entirely.

Great technical explanation! thanks

You just have to press it like your finger is facing up

Lol...initially it's quite confusing now it's better... the reason they placed there is because it is easily accessible when you're holding the phone from behind...by this they kept the marvelous rectangle design and also easy access of button...if it was phone the place of button would have been difficult
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One of the BEST features of the Note5 is barely being talked about!

So I was on the fence about switching from my iPhone 6+ to the Note5 and when I tried it in the store, one feature sealed the deal. Amazingly, I haven't seen it mentioned in ANY review I've read or watched all over the web. Samsung should be focusing on this in their marketing efforts too. I'm referring to the one handed REDUCE SCREEN SIZE mode. With a simple triple tap of the home button, the entire screen shifts down into what is likely fully one hand operable by almost hand size. This is genius to me and a world more useful on a (let's face it) huge phone than Apple's stupid and awkward Reachability thing which just shifts the interface halfway down the screen.
Am I crazy for thinking this is such a big deal??

maybe because it's been around on a number of Androids for a while now. it's not really a new thing. it's one of the features i give iPhoners as a reason to switching over to larger-screened Androids since before the G2 and N3.
i just recently mentioned it here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3191803
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You are right and this is quite useful for me especially since I spend half of my commute to work in a crowded train where i can really use just one hand
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triple tap on home button doesnt work for me....

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triple tap on home button doesnt work for me....
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Never having owned an iPhone till my company gave me a 6, i can understand why nixonx loves this.
The iPhone ui puts the back arrow waaaay in the upper left of the screen. What a completely dumb thing since they dont have a back button built in at the bottom like android does.

Yeah this is a good feature for using the phone while driving, to quickly reply to email or text. (Not recommended to use your phone while driving)

iPhone has same "feature" called reachability. Not new for either device.

S5 has a similar feature too (one handed mode)

Apple with their obsession to be retard-friendly, with 1 button on their smart devices and 1 button computer mouse...

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Never having owned an iPhone till my company gave me a 6, i can understand why nixonx loves this.
The iPhone ui puts the back arrow waaaay in the upper left of the screen. What a completely dumb thing since they dont have a back button built in at the bottom like android does.
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I agree, but I've since learnt that there's a left-swipe gesture you can use to go back on iOS which is pretty effective
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The note 4 also had a one handed mode where you can adjust screen size

I don't post often but this thread is just ridiculous. First off, the iPhone also has this feature called "Reachability" starting with the iPhone 6. It's not pressing the iPhones home button but rather "tapping" on the home button twice. This brings down the screen to use in one handed mode.

djrbx said:
I don't post often but this thread is just ridiculous. First off, the iPhone also has this feature called "Reachability" starting with the iPhone 6. It's not pressing the iPhones home button but rather "tapping" on the home button twice. This brings down the screen to use in one handed mode.
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Is there an echo in here?

i think most phablets have one handed mode thesedays anyway

Ya if your new to notes its pretty neat. Its been on the last couple notes though. U just got to it a different way but same concept
If ur use to half ass iphone concepts like the accesability feature when u double tap the home button it seems like this is a more realistic one handed feature
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shollywood said:
iPhone has same "feature" called reachability. Not new for either device.
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djrbx said:
I don't post often but this thread is just ridiculous. First off, the iPhone also has this feature called "Reachability" starting with the iPhone 6. It's not pressing the iPhones home button but rather "tapping" on the home button twice. This brings down the screen to use in one handed mode.
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As someone who switched from an iPhone 6+ (8 months with the device) to a Note 5, I can attest that Apple's 'Reachability' feature is a fairly half ass effort at improving one handed usability and no where near as useful as reducing the entire screen to thumb reachable. First of all, activating it is hit or miss experience that led me to rarely attempting it because the 'double light tap' needs to be done pretty perfectly for it to work the first time. From a usability standpoint, it doesn't bring things on the far side of the screen any closer to your thumb horizontally, it merely brings them lower, meaning you still have to reach to the far side. It was also not always predictable as to when it would jump the screen back up to normal mode and it always felt more like a bug than a feature and many reviewers felt the same about this.
As for it being available on the Note 4, I find the home button triple press to be a faster and 100% reliable activation method.

nikonx said:
As someone who switched from an iPhone 6+ (8 months with the device) to a Note 5, I can attest that Apple's 'Reachability' feature is a fairly half ass effort at improving one handed usability and no where near as useful as reducing the entire screen to thumb reachable. First of all, activating it is hit or miss experience that led me to rarely attempting it because the 'double light tap' needs to be done pretty perfectly for it to work the first time. From a usability standpoint, it doesn't bring things on the far side of the screen any closer to your thumb horizontally, it merely brings them lower, meaning you still have to reach to the far side. It was also not always predictable as to when it would jump the screen back up to normal mode and it always felt more like a bug than a feature and many reviewers felt the same about this.
As for it being available on the Note 4, I find the home button triple press to be a faster and 100% reliable activation method.
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I agree that it isn't like Sammy's implementation of reaching things, but there were some aspects of it that I did like, which mostly had to do with being able to add additional apps to utilise that open space, such as Carpe Diem and Reach App.
as far as not being able to reach the far corner, there was an app called MyReachability that brought the opposite corner closer to your thumb. it's kind of lousy though. and yeah, the light double-tapping to actually take was a bit annoying.
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i have used the feature a handful of times, but I think it should be slightly larger. The size that it shrinks down to feels even smaller than the iPhone 4's screen size.... I think it should be just ever so slightly larger.

I second that.
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