I have a Nexus 7 thinking about a Nexus 4. Do you loose about .3" of display diagonal because of lower 3 key area like you do on the N7? So the 4.7" display is really only 4.4" usable? I also thinking about a Note II, you get a full 5.5".
The Nexus 4 is fine. The screen is rather large. It's quite the same size as the GS3.
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I think most of us ditch the navbar at the earliest opportunity and claim the full 4.7" back.
Then use 'pie' controls of some sort or 'button saviour', where you slide you finger/thumb from your chosen area of screen to bring up navigation controls... even though i explained it badly it works well.
I just placed an order for the nexus 4 and I kinda had the same concern. I get what you mean by sliding from the edge of the screen to bring up nav menu. Could you please provide some links to help me look into it more?
Thanks
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I used GMD Gesture Control to remove the soft keys and notification bar at top. This app also lets you assign an easy gesture or screen swipe to replace the back and home keys. It's awesome https://play.google.com/store/apps/...nb29kbW9vZGRyb2lkLmdlc3R1cmVjb250cm9sZGVtbyJd
I also use Nova Launcher Prime and the Tesla Unread add-on that tells me when I've missed a call or text on screen. https://play.google.com/store/apps/...sMSwxLDMsImNvbS50ZXNsYWNvaWxzdy5ub3RpZmllciJd
Lastly, I use Battery widget reborn Beta to check on my battery life at a glance. https://play.google.com/store/apps/...m5ldC5odWJhbGVrLmFuZHJvaWQucmVib3JuLmJldGEiXQ..
With all of this stuff I linked, you can free up your screen real estate and never miss a step.
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^ could've simply taken a screenshot
the colors on your screen are great! very vivid and well saturated!
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but then you would just see the screen with no way of getting a feeling how the full screen mode actually looks if you use the device
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The Nexus 4 is fine. The screen is rather large. It's quite the same size as the GS3.
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I dunno.. Last time I checked, 4.7 and 4.8 were not the same hehe
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I have a Nexus 7 thinking about a Nexus 4. Do you loose about .3" of display diagonal because of lower 3 key area like you do on the N7? So the 4.7" display is really only 4.4" usable? I also thinking about a Note II, you get a full 5.5".
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its a weird trend. i mean who cares really. youre loosing a couple of pixels so what. android is programmed to take them away anyway when needed, the bar will change position, make way or disappear completely when needed. its flexible. whats more important, its made for fast mavigation, it feels natural the way it is and google had that in mind for sure.
i've always felt that navigation on hardware crippled phones feels awkward, its like out of place. buttons are not placed where you can reach them, they're hidden away to make way for a monstrous display and that will diminish your experience. software buttons give you both, large screen when needed and fast, integrated navigation that is part of the whole.
ps.
as for your n7, theres so many options. gesture based, pie, or androids native UI's. i run my n7 in phone UI for instance which does wonders. the bar will nicely cling to the side in landscape orientation. if you use tabUI the space that you loose is minimal, the same actually as with a hardwarebutton device - one unified bar. its available for phones as well and works just as well
Moles is right. As cool as pie controls are, I prefer googles on screen implementation for general usage because its fast, responsive and convenient.
However it is nice to have the full 4.7 inches while using certain apps like games, readers, gallery etc. Flash a ROM that supports expandable desktop like PA and you can customize the screen real estate per app, to your liking.
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Since the Nexus has the on screen buttons, does that mean that the majority of the time, the viewable, usuable screen will be less than 7? Or is this 7inch PLUS extra for the buttons? Hope this makes sense.
7" + buttons.
Yes, you are somewhat correct. The on-screen buttons are factored into the equation when referring to screen size. However, they disappear or fade under certain circumstances, but for the most part they will always linger where they are.
but they are always mods to remove the onscreen buttons and you can always use an app like button savior. i do it all the time on my GNex
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Yes, you are correct. The on-screen buttons are factored into the equation when referring to screen size. However, they disappear or fade under certain circumstances, but for the most part they will always linger where they are.
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I truly hope he didn't mean the buttons from the launcher. I imagine he mean the "on device" buttons.
Threads like these make my head hurt a bit
For frak's sake, just get an accurate measurement of the screen and of button height and we can figure it out.
Just put it in tablet ui and it becomes like every other 7in ICS tablet.
it's about 6 9/16" if you eliminte the notification bar too by the same logic.
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it's about 6 9/16" if you eliminte the notification bar too by the same logic.
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Width and height too plz
I'm curious to know the OP's reason for wanting to know the usable content space in physical inches.
I can understand wanting to know it in pixels (presumably 800px x 1200px [80px split between nav and notification bars]) in order to make user made content fill the screen. But physical inches has me scratching my head.
For reference I used the usable screenspace ratio of 1.626 on my Tab 2 7.0 (600px x 976px [48px nav/notification bar at bottom]) to make PDF's fill the screen perfectly.
From my other thread. Thanks a lot to wes_s for providing the measurements.
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From this we can calculate:
Dimensions: 151mm x 94 mm = 5.94in x 3.70in
Diagonal: 177.9mm = 7.00 inches
Dimensions (not counting nav bar): 142mm x 94mm = 5.59in x 3.70in
Diagonal (not counting nav bar): 170.3mm = 6.70 in
Dimensions (not counting nav or noti bars): 138mm x 94mm = 5.43 in x 3.70 in
Diagonal (not counting nav or noti bars): 167.0mm = 6.58 inches.
[Accuracy to sig figs not guaranteed - because I forgot all that stuff.]
By comparison, the Galaxy Note (full phone, not just the screen) is 145.8mm x 82.95mm = 5.74in x 3.27in, (therefore with 167.7mm = 6.60in diagonal).
So the screen is 1cm wider than the Galaxy Note and about as tall, depending on how you're counting. Full-sized Note can be found here.
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thebobp: Are you trying to get an idea of the size of the screen in relation to something you already own?
Because I am really scratching my head as to why you are comparing a phone's body dimensions to a tablet's screen dimensions. Not hatin', just seriously puzzled.
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thebobp: Are you trying to get an idea of the size of the screen in relation to something you already own?
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Yes (minus the part where I own the note, because unfortunately I don't).
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Yes (minus the part where I own the note, because unfortunately I don't).
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Gotcha. This is the part where I bust out paper and scissors normally. :laugh:
And to wrap this topic up completely the pixel heights for the Nexus 7 bars are:
Notification (top bar): 33px high
Nav (bottom bar): 75px high.
This leaves a 800px x 1172px content area. Hopefully some dpi adjusters for the bottom bar will come out quickly after launch to shrink that down a bit.
I sure hope there will be a mod to autohide the menubar at the bottom. It seem to show up everywhere. Even in games.
add the buttons
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This is EXACTLY what I was looking for! Thanks for the picture.
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I sure hope there will be a mod to autohide the menubar at the bottom. It seem to show up everywhere. Even in games.
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Maybe with a new launcher, like NOVA?
If the navigation bar hid in games, how would you close it?
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I'm not sure if you guys and noticed by the navigation touch buttons on the Nexus 4 take away from the effective display size. It might be a 4.7 inch display but it looks smaller considering the buttons are on there almost all the time. If you look at the sgs3 you can notice how much more space that frees up. Not to mention the fact that on the bottom part of the screen there is enough space they could have placed said Navigation buttons. A poor design choice? It surely bothers me a lot. Its like having a 4 inch display phone in your hand. I wonder what happens during video playback.
Your thoughts on the matter?
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Its way more convenient than buttons on the bottom. You dont have to reach as far. Plus the home button on the s3 is terrible
Its full screen on video playback
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The nav bar is about 8mm high, it's not too bad.
Custom ROMs will let you hide it as well.
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The nav bar is about 8mm high, it's not too bad.
Custom ROMs will let you hide it as well.
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And change the height.
Yea and with custom ROMs like aokp we will be able to change the size of them. I know U shouldn't have to but we will have options. I felt the galaxy nexus had good screen real estate even with that bottom bezel that was atrocius
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I'm not sure if you guys and noticed by the navigation touch buttons on the Nexus 4 take away from the effective display size. It might be a 4.7 inch display but it looks smaller considering the buttons are on there almost all the time. If you look at the sgs3 you can notice how much more space that frees up. Not to mention the fact that on the bottom part of the screen there is enough space they could have placed said Navigation buttons. A poor design choice? It surely bothers me a lot. Its like having a 4 inch display phone in your hand. I wonder what happens during video playback.
Your thoughts on the matter?
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It is like this on the Galaxy Nexus; I personally prefer it as the navigation bar can be dynamic compared to hard buttons.
I also like the "black void" look of the Galaxy Nexus/Nexus 4, much cleaner and more futuristic looking.
The navigation-bar normally should be 48.0dip in height. Now you can calculate what the "real" screen size is
The nav bar is one of my favourite features on this phone.
I'm in the group that dislikes it. I can turn them on with my galaxy s3 if I want . So technically wouldn't that mean I have more options lol. I can use on screen or the ones in bezel stock.
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The navigation-bar normally should be 48.0dip in height. Now you can calculate what the "real" screen size is
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It's 84 pixels in height, not 48.
So it makes the effective resolution of Nexus 4 as 1196*768. And the aspect ratio is almost a 3:2.
I said dpi and not pixel. dpi=dots per inch.
I took a look at the framework of a JB-rom of another device but it should be same for all.
I just want to be able to hide them automatically when I haven't got my finger there like how you can hide the Windows Taskbar when the mouse isn't there. Then to stop it from popping up when you're pinching to zoom just make it so if two fingers are on the screen at the same time it doesn't pop up.
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I just want to be able to hide them automatically when I haven't got my finger there like how you can hide the Windows Taskbar when the mouse isn't there. Then to stop it from popping up when you're pinching to zoom just make it so if two fingers are on the screen at the same time it doesn't pop up.
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How about a bottom-up swipe, like the current GNow execution?
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I said dpi and not pixel. dpi=dots per inch.
I took a look at the framework of a JB-rom of another device but it should be same for all.
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hm....DPI is dot per inch. 48 DPI means 48 dots per inch. That doesn't make sense if you want to say the height of the buttons.
you can calculate physical available screen size with both dpi and px but dpi is used mainly for those calculations.
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It's 84 pixels in height, not 48.
So it makes the effective resolution of Nexus 4 as 1196*768. And the aspect ratio is almost a 3:2.
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See? That what I really dislike
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How about a bottom-up swipe, like the current GNow execution?
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What's this?
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How about a bottom-up swipe, like the current GNow execution?
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That's nice.
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The size of the navbar is 48ppi, point per inch.....I like it better on 36 or 32, but 32 has an high learning curve
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Just wanted to voice how great this screen really is! I'm a G3, Note 3, S5, S4, Note 2 -
I was so excited for the G3 and then the screen on that thing had no VIVID colors! What a huge disappointment - it went back.
If you'd like to see how great this screen really is, TURN up the brightness, go here to this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56100084&postcount=14 and grab those videos!!
Killer!
Samsung and Apple both have the best screens on mobile products. The LG G3's (QHD 2560x1440) screen is amazing but it uses IPS LCD screen while the Galaxy note 4 uses SuperAMOLED 2D screen.
I agree I had g3 and fixed my self to like it this screen blows it out the water
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To be fair, the colors on Samsung devices (by default) are vivid, but not accurate. Not sure how accurate the G3 is, but Apple screens are generally quite a bit more accurate than Samsung screens.
From what I've read the Note 4 has the option to use vivid or accurate color rendering, the accurate is at least as good as the iPhone 6 (plus the option to have the colors really pop.)
im excited to see screen today!!! g3 has good screen i think (thats about it imo though but good screen) so we will see!
So excited!!!!
So which wallpaper will anyone be using? Stock Note 4 or anything you have prepared to use for it? I'm spending so much time browsing 2560x2560 wallpapers but can't really decide which to choose.
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So which wallpaper will anyone be using? Stock Note 4 or anything you have prepared to use for it? I'm spending so much time browsing 2560x2560 wallpapers but can't really decide which to choose.
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Still getting mine setup but I really dig this stock wallpaper:
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To be fair, the colors on Samsung devices (by default) are vivid, but not accurate. Not sure how accurate the G3 is, but Apple screens are generally quite a bit more accurate than Samsung screens.
From what I've read the Note 4 has the option to use vivid or accurate color rendering, the accurate is at least as good as the iPhone 6 (plus the option to have the colors really pop.)
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Anandtech, Displaymate and others state the color coverage is the best of any device. Depends on the setting. Vivid is still an option.
i do love this screen, but i very slightly see what some people said about the upper right hand portion of the screen having more of a reddish hue than the rest. mine has that, but it's pretty slight and only noticable on white screens like in the menus, so i don't care much. everything else about the phone works perfectly so i'm happy!
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Still getting mine setup but I really dig this stock wallpaper:
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Oh wow! I love it. It looks awesome on the Note 4. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. :good: :good:
There appears to be some G3 owners in denial that their power hogging, low contrast displayed device is better and the N4 is a laggy while the G3 is super fast. This in contradiction of most reviews and my own experience.
G3 is a good device, but the display is a more than usual resource killer.
So far loving this thing. Really fast compared to my g3. The screen is definitely different, dimmer or just more subdued. The build IMO is very nice. Doesn't feel near as big or heavy as I thought it was going to.
Couple things I have noticed so far r that the keyboard theams r not all there. The halo blue and white I think r just the same black keyboard. Also there is no face recognition for the lock screen. There is Jo option for it at all. I know I saw a video review stating that it worked in the background of the lock screen.
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So far loving this thing. Really fast compared to my g3. The screen is definitely different, dimmer or just more subdued. The build IMO is very nice. Doesn't feel near as big or heavy as I thought it was going to.
Couple things I have noticed so far r that the keyboard theams r not all there. The halo blue and white I think r just the same black keyboard. Also there is no face recognition for the lock screen. There is Jo option for it at all. I know I saw a video review stating that it worked in the background of the lock screen.
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I believe you have to first enable a pin or password security in order to have the face unlock option available. That was the case on my Nexus 7.
on my nexus 5 its under security..... smart lock....then "trusted face"
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So far loving this thing. Really fast compared to my g3. The screen is definitely different, dimmer or just more subdued. The build IMO is very nice. Doesn't feel near as big or heavy as I thought it was going to.
Couple things I have noticed so far r that the keyboard theams r not all there. The halo blue and white I think r just the same black keyboard. Also there is no face recognition for the lock screen. There is Jo option for it at all. I know I saw a video review stating that it worked in the background of the lock screen.
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It has face unlock mine works fine. It does work in the background, watch the small icon in center at the bottom when you go to unlock it. You have to choose something other than "swipe" for "smartlock" to appear (or not greyed out)
The keyboard themes are all there for me just tried to make sure. They don't change till you back out of the settings so maybe that is what you are seeing?
Well u all r right. Got the face unlock to work and it is very unobtrusive. I like that a lot. As for the keyboard I didn't notice the actual letters and numbers changed color while the overall theme stayed the same. Always a lot to learn with a new OS. Thanks for the help guys
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Well u all r right. Got the face unlock to work and it is very unobtrusive. I like that a lot. As for the keyboard I didn't notice the actual letters and numbers changed color while the overall theme stayed the same. Always a lot to learn with a new OS. Thanks for the help guys
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Glad we could help and enjoy learning about 5.0 that is the fun part!
It looks dimmer because it is a warmer screen and more color accurate. GS3 (and most other phones not just AMOLED) have their calibration cooler to make the screen look more vibrant, and the GS3 has bigger blue pixels which also makes the screen bluer. Samsung also oversaturates far more and the touchwiz UI and wallpapers are naturally very contrasty. All reasons for the Nexus 6 screen to look dimmer. I believe the brightness is about the same as a GS3 if you actually measured them.
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It looks dimmer because it is a warmer screen and more color accurate. GS3 (and most other phones not just AMOLED) have their calibration cooler to make the screen look more vibrant, and the GS3 has bigger blue pixels which also makes the screen bluer. Samsung also oversaturates far more and the touchwiz UI and wallpapers are naturally very contrasty. All reasons for the Nexus 6 screen to look dimmer. I believe the brightness is about the same as a GS3 if you actually measured them.
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U r definitely right there. The g3 was just made to pop I think. Much like the Samsung's. Its definitely not a complaint,it just isn't what I'm used to. After figuring out the first two problems I really can't find a complaint. Other then I'm missing my ir blaster. Guess I will HAVE to find that missing remote now.
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Maybe you can use this as a consideration to retire your Max 2 or Max 1.
I'm just going to give my thoughts on hardware wise, but not the cameras as I couldn't care less about them.
Pros:
Screen quality to my naked eye is much better than Max 2, (I'm more of a warm tone screen kind of guy) Max 2 has a really bluish tint, whereas Max 3 has more natural colour , less shifting too.
Dual speakers are noticeably better, especially the earpiece one. (More surroundy and louder)
Equal size top and bottom bezels, finally!
More screen real estate with virtually the same body footprint (duh)
Cons:
Protruding screen off the unibody, not noticeable when you slapped on some TPU case, but still pretty annoying
Buttons are not as tactile as the Max 2.
Is it worth the upgrade? IMHO, hell yes!
Xiaomi really did well with this phone, really big but subtle upgrade from Mi Max 2.
Big screen, long endurance. The "dual" speakers and headphone jack are the icing on top.
Look for photo to see how much screen estate you'll get (both on the same 289 density)
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Excuse my ignorance but how do you navigate without home/back keys!?
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Excuse my ignorance but how do you navigate without home/back keys!?
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it has the Built-in Full screen gesture.
For me, I rooted and am using the Oneplus Gesture app. Much better than the built-in one.
Btw, still waiting for your awesome rom for MM3, bro :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
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Excuse my ignorance but how do you navigate without home/back keys!?
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It has MIUI inbuilt gesture navigation but it's a bit annoying and half baked, I'm using GMD Gesture to get my own desired gestures.
Can't really say anything good on MIUI 10, the vanilla 8.1 has much better UX
How about temperature of Max 3 over Max 2 esp when charging or full load ( gaming )?
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It has MIUI inbuilt gesture navigation but it's a bit annoying and half baked, I'm using GMD Gesture to get my own desired gestures.
Can't really say anything good on MIUI 10, the vanilla 8.1 has much better UX
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How about temperature of Max 3 over Max 2 esp when charging or full load ( gaming )?
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Sorry, I don't play games on my phone so I wouldn't know. Expect the same experience if not better, they're both using the same manufacturing process anyway
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It has MIUI inbuilt gesture navigation but it's a bit annoying and half baked, I'm using GMD Gesture to get my own desired gestures. Can't really say anything good on MIUI 10, the vanilla 8.1 has much better UX
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it has the Built-in Full screen gesture.
For me, I rooted and am using the Oneplus Gesture app. Much better than the built-in one.
Btw, still waiting for your awesome rom for MM3, bro :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
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need to be rooted to use oneplus gesture and GMD gesture?
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need to be rooted to use oneplus gesture and GMD gesture?
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No need root to use Gesture apps