I found this thread where they talked about a hack for the original droid to get 30fps. I wondered if it could be applied to the D2 to get 720p? I tried changing all the 720x480 to 1440x720 but it didnt work. I didnt change the bitrate but I did bring down the fps to 24.
/system/etc/, adb pull media_profiles.xml or edit with root explorer. scroll down to:
Code:
<EncoderProfile quality="high" fileFormat="mp4" duration="60">
<Video codec="h264"
bitRate="3000000"
width="720"
height="480"
frameRate="24" />change to:
Code:
<EncoderProfile quality="high" fileFormat="mp4" duration="60">
<Video codec="h264"
bitRate="8000000"
width="720"
height="480"
frameRate="30" />
currently working on it, I will fool with the bitrate and crap and see whats we can come up with.
that file is just for the codecs used, I have opened up the camera app and that is all encrypted, is there a way for me to read it?
really interesting topic, hopefully someone looks into this
Well doing some research (reading the motodeveloper site and reviews)...turns out the Droid 2 comes with a 3620 processor which is only capable of 480p. The Milestone 2 (which is almost identical to the Droid 2) comes with a 3630 processor which can produce 720p.
So I am unsure if a system dump of the Milestone 2 will help...I think someone will have to come up a with a software solution/hack to make it work with 720p.
there is that much of a difference between the two processors that cause the CPU not be able to compute 720p? If that's the case then I think Motorola really rushed the Droid 2 to compete with the iPhone, and that's not a good thing
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I dont think they rushed, I think they were cheap and used a lesser processor to make more money.
The 2 processors are exactly the same except that the 3620 cannot record or play 720p video.
don't you think you could just install some milestone files that tell the processor what it can record? It would be sort of like overclocking i guess lol. I mean the boot loader dosen't lock that also right?
please tell me if I am completely wrong about this.
ljbaumer said:
don't you think you could just install some milestone files that tell the processor what it can record? It would be sort of like overclocking i guess lol. I mean the boot loader dosen't lock that also right?
please tell me if I am completely wrong about this.
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It doesn't quite work like this.
Overclocking works because the potential exists in the chip, or the chip has been underclocked by design. You can crank it up beacause the option exists in the chip (now overheating is still a potential problem, but the point is you can do it).
If the 720p feature does not exist, it doesn't exist. You can try to emulate the hardware functionality with software, the processing overhead will be taken on by the main chip which may or may not be too much. It may give you a choppy experience or lack luster performance.
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It doesn't quite work like this.
Overclocking works because the potential exists in the chip, or the chip has been underclocked by design. You can crank it up beacause the option exists in the chip (now overheating is still a potential problem, but the point is you can do it).
If the 720p feature does not exist, it doesn't exist. You can try to emulate the hardware functionality with software, the processing overhead will be taken on by the main chip which may or may not be too much. It may give you a choppy experience or lack luster performance.
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So if my understanding is correct, shooting 720p on the droid 2 maybe never possible and it is possible we wouldn't be able to shoot smooth videos?
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walcs said:
So if my understanding is correct, shooting 720p on the droid 2 maybe never possible and it is possible we wouldn't be able to shoot smooth videos?
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Maybe. If the hardware feature isn't there, we have to emulate it with software (someone has to provide this emulation). It could work well, or it may be kind of weak.
If the hardware feature is there, then all we need to do is turn it on.
The phone is pretty powerful, so there may be a way, it just may not be the easy way people are hoping for.
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So if my understanding is correct, shooting 720p on the droid 2 maybe never possible and it is possible we wouldn't be able to shoot smooth videos?
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Right.
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God this makes me hate motorola even more, locked bootloader, cheap hardware, what do they have to compete with other company like HTC
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walcs said:
God this makes me hate motorola even more, locked bootloader, cheap hardware, what do they have to compete with other company like HTC
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You felt the best way to express your hatred was to purchase their products?
I don't follow.
one. said:
You felt the best way to express your hatred was to purchase their products?
I don't follow.
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I needed something with a keyboard but still fast, so Motorola was my only choice
walcs said:
God this makes me hate motorola even more, locked bootloader, cheap hardware, what do they have to compete with other company like HTC
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I like Motorola a lot. I've had their products for a while, I've jumped around from LG to Motorola, to Samsung, back to lg, and then finally back to Motorola agaiin. I really wish they didn't lock the bootloader. If anything, I think it makes the sales of their phones go up if they leave it unlocked so more people can buy it. I don't really think the hardware is cheap either. I guess I'm just a dedicated customer because I've been loyal for a long time.
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I like Motorola a lot. I've had their products for a while, I've jumped around from LG to Motorola, to Samsung, back to lg, and then finally back to Motorola agaiin. I really wish they didn't lock the bootloader. If anything, I think it makes the sales of their phones go up if they leave it unlocked so more people can buy it. I don't really think the hardware is cheap either. I guess I'm just a dedicated customer because I've been loyal for a long time.
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I too certainly wish they didn't lock the bootloader, and while I generally agree that they would sell more just because of that, the % of people who would buy a phone for that reason alone is quite small, and the bigger issue I imagine is all the $$ lost in warranty replacement phones, or the potential of that happening.
Say there was some kernel that a significant % of people were running, and there was some horrific bug that started bricking phones left and right. They'll be able to screw some people, but at the end of the day, someone is gonna be paying out a lot in the form of replacement phones. The fact that the community is non-retarded enough to see that this happening is basically impossible doesn't really matter to them, because you can imagine how potentially damaging dishing out 20% more phones than you were paid for can be.
So while it's kind of like a helmet law situation where they're protecting you from yourself, they're really protecting themselves from a catastrophic loss. It sucks the big one, but I can't blame them.
Also I would suspsect it was more of a request/demand by verizon than a prerogative of Motorola. You can imagine how badly Verizon wants you to love your phone -- just long enough for them to sell you another one. Can't begin to imagine how many millions they lose a year due to replacing phones.
It's strange, but my phones always seems to start exhibiting "very strange behavior" a week or less before my warranty expires. I guess I'm part of the problem.
Is this the same for the D2G and the Droid Pro or are they using the 720p cpu of the M2?
Some have mentioned that the Droid 2 has a 3620 that lacks the hardware capabilities to encode 720p. However iFixit's Droid 2 tear down clearly shows a 3630 SOC.
Perhaps the Milestone 2's camera software could be hacked and applied to the Droid 2. Hopefully someone will look into this.
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Some have mentioned that the Droid 2 has a 3620 that lacks the hardware capabilities to encode 720p. However iFixit's Droid 2 tear down clearly shows a 3630 SOC.
Perhaps the Milestone 2's camera software could be hacked and applied to the Droid 2. Hopefully someone will look into this.
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I'm not sure about that because according to Motorola who made the phone the Droid 2 comes with the 3620-1000. You can see for yourself here. I'm not saying iFixit is wrong but according to the Motorola the phone should have the 3620-1000 processor. What is actually floating around could be different.
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Help me justify to myself that I should NOT return my EVO and buy a DROID X. I do love my EVO, I have ZERO regrets about it replacing my iPhone, nor do I regret buying it instead of an iPhone4. I don't really want to return it, since I'm lazy and I'll have to park my number somewhere for 2 weeks and put up with a crappy phone, but my analysis gives me the strong impression that the Droid X is a significant improvement for my needs.
I was doing a quick Pro/Con analysis and came up with a lot on the DroidX side and not much on the EVO side. But the EVO advantages are very very big.
(BTW, I have in the past put custom ROMs on my WinMo devices, but I don't know if I ever will with these Android devices. They're so good stock I'm not sure it's needed or compelling.)
EVO pros
4G (ten times faster according to my tests)
Kickstand
Cheaper plan (We assume)
Unlimited Data (It's not clear the specific terms and condition of Verizon's data plan)
Frontfacing Camera (which is almost irrelevant to me)
DROIDX pros
Sharper Screen (say the reviews)
24bit color screen vs the EVO's 16bit color screen
Physical Buttons (I got used to hitting the front button, not top, to wake it up, with my iPhone, also leads to less accidentally pressed buttons)
Works in Metro (DC area)
Faster processor (there seems to be debate about this)
Noise Cancelling Mic
Better WiFi? (EVO has noticably shorter WiFi range in my house than my iPhone did, not just bars-wise but experientially)
Froyo DATE promised (summer 2010)
Multitouch keyboard
8GB vs 512MB on-unit storage
16GB SD included
Lighter by 6oz
No 30fps limit (stock)
Help me see what's better about the EVO over the DroidX.
TKardinal said:
Help me justify to myself that I should NOT return my EVO and buy a DROID X. I do love my EVO, I have ZERO regrets about it replacing my iPhone, nor do I regret buying it instead of an iPhone4. I don't really want to return it, since I'm lazy and I'll have to park my number somewhere for 2 weeks and put up with a crappy phone, but my analysis gives me the strong impression that the Droid X is a significant improvement for my needs.
I was doing a quick Pro/Con analysis and came up with a lot on the DroidX side and not much on the EVO side. But the EVO advantages are very very big.
(BTW, I have in the past put custom ROMs on my WinMo devices, but I don't know if I ever will with these Android devices. They're so good stock I'm not sure it's needed or compelling.)
EVO pros
4G (ten times faster according to my tests)
Kickstand
Cheaper plan (We assume)
Unlimited Data (It's not clear the specific terms and condition of Verizon's data plan)
Frontfacing Camera (which is almost irrelevant to me)
DROIDX pros
Sharper Screen (say the reviews)
24bit color screen vs the EVO's 16bit color screen
Physical Buttons (I got used to hitting the front button, not top, to wake it up, with my iPhone, also leads to less accidentally pressed buttons)
Works in Metro (DC area)
Faster processor (there seems to be debate about this)
Noise Cancelling Mic
Better WiFi? (EVO has noticably shorter WiFi range in my house than my iPhone did, not just bars-wise but experientially)
Froyo DATE promised (summer 2010)
Multitouch keyboard
8GB vs 512MB on-unit storage
16GB SD included
Lighter by 6oz
No 30fps limit (stock)
Help me see what's better about the EVO over the DroidX.
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Uh... The EVO only weighs 6oz...
I'd move to the droid except for one thing that is a huge deal breaker for me.
Locked boot loader. Means no custom roms. Means it is unlikely to see a lot of developer support for the device.
I've been swaying back and forth with this also, but I'm really leaning on keeping the EVO.
My opinion:
Cons:
-Capped 2D & 3D, meaning choppy game play and graphical animations. (I play games but is it that important?)
-Uneasy "cheated" feeling HTC has always given us (not giving us the right drivers for graphics or other hardware)
Pros:
-Sprint has better rates/plans
-Front facing camera
-4G, by the time Verizon gets 4G, it will be time for a new phone.
-Easily customized (root, custom roms, etc)
I'm a developer, and I enjoy hacking away at the EVO. The hardware is just as good as the Droid X, except HTC doesn't always maximize the hardware. That's where customizing the software here at XDA will help.
Droid X, who knows when they will get root, and even then, will they ever be able to flash custom roms?
I say if you like your EVO, and games aren't that important, stay with the EVO.
If you want to go to the Droid X just because it's got "better" specs, well, you'd be getting a new phone every 3 months...
@TKardinal
I'm in the same boat as you. Liking my Evo, want to stay with Sprint, but also want to make sure I don't miss out on what might be a better device for me. (while still within in my 30 day return window)
With regard to the keyboard, couldn't this be brought over to the Evo? I mean there's nothing hardware-wise that would allow the Droid X to have a multitouch keyboard... right?
The physical button thing is a biggie for me for the same reason you mentioned: I really hate reaching up to power button on the Evo. I would LOVE to be able to turn the screen on with a button the bottom/front. But with capacitive buttons I just don't think this is possible.
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@TKardinal
I'm in the same boat as you. Liking my Evo, want to stay with Sprint, but also want to make sure I don't miss out on what might be a better device for me. (while still within in my 30 day return window)
With regard to the keyboard, couldn't this be brought over to the Evo? I mean there's nothing hardware-wise that would allow the Droid X to have a multitouch keyboard... right?
The physical button thing is a biggie for me for the same reason you mentioned: I really hate reaching up to power button on the Evo. I would LOVE to be able to turn the screen on with a button the bottom/front. But with capacitive buttons I just don't think this is possible.
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The multi-touch keyboard has already been ported to the Evo here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=710783
AssassinsLament said:
If you want to go to the Droid X just because it's got "better" specs, well, you'd be getting a new phone every 3 months...
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Cosigned
Sent telepathically via my Evo.
-_-
it's verizon, 'nuff said
24 bit color is less efficient on the processor than 16 bit. We live in a 32-bit world and 16 bit color is handled much better. Also you aren't really getting 24-bit color, they say it's 24-bit but it's really only 18-bit color and they away the other 6 bits.
I would post the images, but I'm lazy, but long story short you can't even tell the difference between 16-bit and 18-bit (which is what the 24-bit really is).
Also locked bootloader on the droidx means you might NEVER get a rooted phone, and even if you do all the devs will be over here cuz the evo is much more open to modding so that's where they will naturally migrate (and the nexus).
TKardinal said:
Help me justify to myself that I should NOT return my EVO and buy a DROID X. I do love my EVO, I have ZERO regrets about it replacing my iPhone, nor do I regret buying it instead of an iPhone4. I don't really want to return it, since I'm lazy and I'll have to park my number somewhere for 2 weeks and put up with a crappy phone, but my analysis gives me the strong impression that the Droid X is a significant improvement for my needs.
I was doing a quick Pro/Con analysis and came up with a lot on the DroidX side and not much on the EVO side. But the EVO advantages are very very big.
(BTW, I have in the past put custom ROMs on my WinMo devices, but I don't know if I ever will with these Android devices. They're so good stock I'm not sure it's needed or compelling.)
EVO pros
4G (ten times faster according to my tests)
Kickstand
Cheaper plan (We assume)
Unlimited Data (It's not clear the specific terms and condition of Verizon's data plan)
Frontfacing Camera (which is almost irrelevant to me)
DROIDX pros
Sharper Screen (say the reviews)- Evo's screen is already amazing, how much better can it get?
24bit color screen vs the EVO's 16bit color screen- See response above
Physical Buttons (I got used to hitting the front button, not top, to wake it up, with my iPhone, also leads to less accidentally pressed buttons)- This is pure preference. Physical buttons are things of the past IMO.
Works in Metro (DC area)- As in Sprint has no coverage there?
Faster processor (there seems to be debate about this)- They are both 1GHZ.
Noise Cancelling Mic- Had one on my Nexus One and didn't notice a difference to be honest.
Better WiFi? (EVO has noticably shorter WiFi range in my house than my iPhone did, not just bars-wise but experientially)- HTC just updated the software that improves the range. This is software related, not hardware.
Froyo DATE promised (summer 2010)- HTC has also said the Evo will be getting Froyo but we already have a almost perfect port of it now.
Multitouch keyboard- Already ported to the Evo
8GB vs 512MB on-unit storage- Yes more storage is nice. +1 Droid X
16GB SD included- You can upgrade your 8GB on the Evo to a 16GB for cheap.
Lighter by 6oz- As someone else said, the Evo weighs 6oz
No 30fps limit (stock)- You said it, "stock". Many people don't have 30FPS anymore, its not permanent.
Help me see what's better about the EVO over the DroidX.
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So based on all of that, AFAIK the Droid X only has 1 advantage that the Evo does not and that is the integrated 8GB of space. That vs having a front facing camera, 4G network/capability (Droid X isn't compatible with Verizon's upcoming LTE), and as other people have mentioned, support from the community for ROMs,etc and the Evo is still in my eyes better then the Droid X.
Get No lock to turn on the screen using the volume rocker.. Not quite the front button of the phone, but better than the top power button.
Things I cant get over on the Droid X..
The hump!!!
No front facing cam
No kickstand
More locked down than necessary.
Enjoy either phone....
I have only had two HTC phones--the Touch Diamond and the EVO. I never heard any QA issues with the Touch and yes, there have been a few build issues with the EVO. But I can tell you this--I have about 15 years experience with Motorola hardware and my bet is that there will be as many, probably more, flames about the build quality of the Driod X as there have been with the EVO. So if you switch, be prepared for it.
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So based on all of that, AFAIK the Droid X only has 1 advantage that the Evo does not and that is the integrated 8GB of space. That vs having a front facing camera, 4G network/capability (Droid X isn't compatible with Verizon's upcoming LTE), and as other people have mentioned, support from the community for ROMs,etc and the Evo is still in my eyes better then the Droid X.
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Let's not forget about the CPU advantage. That may end up being pretty considerable. Also, the no 30fs cap is nothing to sneeze at either.
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Let's not forget about the CPU advantage. That may end up being pretty considerable. Also, the no 30fs cap is nothing to sneeze at either.
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Why do people keep bringing up moot points?
The CPUs are comparable.
The 30FPS cap is gone, and before anyone brings up the fact that you have to root/rom it before it goes away. YOU'RE ON XDA. This has been taken care of and with enough time will be fixed perfectly by devs. Can you say that if something is horribly wrong on the Droid X? Good luck if Motorola doesn't feel that it's necessary.
Every phone is going to have pros and cons so just answer these questions. They're done in terms of importance, at least to me when I choose a phone.
1. Which one do you think looks better?
2. What do you do on the phone?
3. Do you care about open development or are you content with stock roms?
4. Do you care about how much you're paying each month?
But when it comes down to it. There is only one question you really need to answer.
WHICH ONE DO YOU LIKE MORE?
There have been so many threads about this in both the EVO forum and the Droid X forum but it comes down to a ridiculously simple answer. People are going to keep saying the same pros and cons that you probably already know, so just have a brain and decide for yourself.
dekayte said:
Why do people keep bringing up moot points?
The CPUs are comparable.
The 30FPS cap is gone, and before anyone brings up the fact that you have to root/rom it before it goes away. YOU'RE ON XDA. This has been taken care of and with enough time will be fixed perfectly by devs. Can you say that if something is horribly wrong on the Droid X? Good luck if Motorola doesn't feel that it's necessary.
Every phone is going to have pros and cons so just answer these questions. They're done in terms of importance, at least to me when I choose a phone.
1. Which one do you think looks better?
2. What do you do on the phone?
3. Do you care about open development or are you content with stock roms?
4. Do you care about how much you're paying each month?
But when it comes down to it. There is only one question you really need to answer.
WHICH ONE DO YOU LIKE MORE?
There have been so many threads about this in both the EVO forum and the Droid X forum but it comes down to a ridiculously simple answer. People are going to keep saying the same pros and cons that you probably already know, so just have a brain and decide for yourself.
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OMG! What a revelation! You mean, (gasp) we can choose based on what WE like individually? I'm gonna faint!
dekayte said:
Why do people keep bringing up moot points?
The CPUs are comparable.
The 30FPS cap is gone, and before anyone brings up the fact that you have to root/rom it before it goes away. YOU'RE ON XDA. This has been taken care of and with enough time will be fixed perfectly by devs.
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I fully admit that I'm no CPU expert, but the overwhelming consensus that I'm reading says that the this OMAP chip is far more powerful than the snapdragon, particularly in the graphics department. I'd love to have someone provide some details on why that's incorrect though, can you?
As for the 30FPS... A couple of points: First, the issue isn't really "fixed" yet. Will a well-tested, stable rom come out eventually with the 30fps cap removed? I'm sure it will. But when will that happen? The point is, I could have a Droid X and be rid of that thorn sooner rather than later.
Secondly, keep in mind that there are lots of us who are not interested in flashing ROMs. I did this all the time with my old windows mobile devices, and I have lots of respect for the devs here who create these fixes, but on a brand new phone I don't want to mess with that. If the phone was a couple years old, and the official updates from HTC are end-of-life'd, then sure I might take a crack at loading a custom ROM. But probably not before.
Edit: I should mention that I AM a relatively happy EVO owner, but I think it's reasonable to debate the pros and compare it to the "other" Android super-phone. Putting the carrier differences aside, the question is whether or not the hardware differences are worth making a switch.
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OMG! What a revelation! You mean, (gasp) we can choose based on what WE like individually? I'm gonna faint!
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It seems to be a hard concept for many.
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I fully admit that I'm no CPU expert, but the overwhelming consensus that I'm reading says that the this OMAP chip is far more powerful than the snapdragon, particularly in the graphics department. I'd love to have someone provide some details on why that's incorrect though, can you?
As for the 30FPS... A couple of points: First, the issue isn't really "fixed" yet. Will a well-tested, stable rom come out eventually with the 30fps cap removed? I'm sure it will. But when will that happen? The point is, I could have a Droid X and be rid of that thorn sooner rather than later.
Secondly, keep in mind that there are lots of us who are not interested in flashing ROMs. I did this all the time with my old windows mobile devices, and I have lots of respect for the devs here who create these fixes, but on a brand new phone I don't want to mess with that. If the phone was a couple years old, and the official updates from HTC are end-of-life'd, then sure I might take a crack at loading a custom ROM. But probably not before.
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I posted this in another thread buts its very relevant here.
Here is some good reading from a very informed person regarding this whole droidx vs evo specfest
http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g...ps-cap-lets-more-proactive-2.html#post1016816
http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g/109920-our-beloved-evo-beats-droid-x-video.html#post1019942
His two main points are:
1. The Droid X does not have a separate GPU - its PowerVR SGX530 GPU is part of the SoC (system on chip) architecture.
The EVO does not lack a GPU - its AMD Z430 GPU is part of the SoC.
2. Benchmarks are irrelevent and inaccurate and most ppl don't even know what they measure (especially tech reviewers). Read his posts, they are a.good read.
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Like I said, if you think the 30FPS cap is a deal breaker then just get a Droid X. Just keep in mind that there is something wrong with the Droid X, if Motorola doesn't feel the need to change/fix it. What are you going to do? Dump the Droid X? Because we all know, every phone has/will have problems. Also, even new phones benefit from custom roms because most phones are aimed at the general public while most people who are a little more tech savvy (majority on XDA) don't care for certain things especially when they know it hurts performance in other areas. (IE: Sense, Blur, Sprint Apps, etc. etc.) If having a top of the line phone is important to you, like getting a Droid X over an EVO (which the Droid X is superior in some aspects, I don't think anyone will argue that) then why are you holding onto the phone for a couple years and only then using custom roms to improve it?
dekayte said:
If having a top of the line phone is important to you, like getting a Droid X over an EVO (which the Droid X is superior in some aspects, I don't think anyone will argue that) then why are you holding onto the phone for a couple years and only then using custom roms to improve it?
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I will definitely go read your links, thanks for that.
I'm not interested in always having the most advanced phone, it's more that I just bought the EVO and since another phone is going to be released within my 30-day return period, I should at the very least evaluate it and make sure I'm not missing out on something better. That's all. Obviously a lot of this debate is based on what's on paper. Once it's released we'll know how well it really performs, if there are any show-stopper flaws, etc, etc.
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I fully admit that I'm no CPU expert, but the overwhelming consensus that I'm reading says that the this OMAP chip is far more powerful than the snapdragon, particularly in the graphics department. I'd love to have someone provide some details on why that's incorrect though, can you?
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The same GPU that powers the Droid X, powers the 3GS. Seems a little dated to me. The hardware itself is comparable, only thing that is the biggest obstacle for the Evo is software and since we have some of the best devs working on this device, those obstacles will be removed.
This phone hasn't even been out for a month and look at the insane progression that the devs have done. Seriously. You won't find that on a Motorola phone.
eagle63 said:
I will definitely go read your links, thanks for that.
I'm not interested in always having the most advanced phone, it's more that I just bought the EVO and since another phone is going to be released within my 30-day return period, I should at the very least evaluate it and make sure I'm not missing out on something better. That's all. Obviously a lot of this debate is based on what's on paper. Once it's released we'll know how well it really performs, if there are any show-stopper flaws, etc, etc.
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No problem, and sorry if I'm coming off a little rude in my comments by the way. I agree that it's good to debate the pros and cons but this is already the 12591259105215th thread on the subject. I think this type of thread is getting ridiculous especially when there is little to debate, because like you said all of it is coming from the sheets.
Yeah, you can return it during your 30-day return period but if you test out the Droid X and don't like it. Verizon charges $35 to cancel and I'm pretty sure there is a wait period before Sprint allows you to sign back up. So just hopping around isn't exactly an option for most.
So I have to ask... why keep the phone right now? Its obviously really sluggish at most anything it does in regards to the UI. Arent there more 2.3 dual core phone options coming out in the next month or so? Why wait until fall to enjoy your phones dual core power? 2.2 doesnt support it, so shipping it with that is borderline BS if you ask me.
Not to mention AT&T limited the data speeds on it is grounds for a class action.
Seeing that there is a GRHxx build from.atrix dev phones floating around the atrix dev forum, im going to assume that Gingerbread is going to make its way over to the atrix. When? No one knows. But it will and if id have to guess, id say mid year.
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Where'd you get the idea that 2.2 doesn't support multiple cores?
True2TheGame said:
Where'd you get the idea that 2.2 doesn't support multiple cores?
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Because of the wealth of people who offer answers and have no clue what they're talking about.
The kernel on the Atrix supports multiple cores. Here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11586435&postcount=9
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Where'd you get the idea that 2.2 doesn't support multiple cores?
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The amount of misinformation on the atrix is completely insane. Stuff like not using all of the ram, and people thinking one of the cores is useless until 2.3.
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The amount of misinformation on the atrix is completely insane. Stuff like not using all of the ram, and people thinking one of the cores is useless until 2.3.
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That's actually good to know.
I had no idea about the core usage, but then again, the Atrix is my first Android phone...hell, it's my first smartphone, so it's been running great thus far.
I am curious about the RAM now though.
they're just jealous.
Well, it is AT&T we're talking about. But the Atrix is a flagship phone, so it could go either way. The fact that it didn't ship with Gingerbread is a bit disheartening, though. Here's hoping we see it before Ice Cream.
You wont taste icecream gingerbread mabey icecream Atrix 2 understand marketing.
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You wont taste icecream gingerbread mabey icecream Atrix 2 understand marketing.
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Says the guy who thinks a gyroscope is an important part of phone performance..... Seriously.... i've you have absolutely NOTHING good to say about the Atrix, don't own one, and apparently don't give a crap about it.... why keep trolling the Atrix forums? Besides.... what are the chances that your beloved Nexus S will see the light of Ice Cream? Probably just as likely as the Atrix, or even less so seeing as your Nexus S has half the memory and only a single core processor.
As for the OP.... i'm not sure where you're getting that it's "sluggish at most anything it does in regards to the UI". Even WITH MotoBlur, it's very responsive, and even moreso when using LauncherPro.
And I have yet to see you form a complete and puncuated sentence in all of your rant about gyroscopes and pretty much anything about the Atrix....
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Dude give it up you make a ass hole look good right now #Smh
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Keep it classy.
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they're just jealous.
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I doubt it has much to do with jealousy. I'm reminded of Agent K's (Tommy Lee Jones) quote from Men in Black:
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Edwards: Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it.
Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.
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The amount of misinformation on the atrix is completely insane. Stuff like not using all of the ram, and people thinking one of the cores is useless until 2.3.
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Actually, a lot of the people think that one of the cores is useless until 2.4. Though, to be fair, 2.4 will supposedly use the Tegra 2 MUCH better than 2.3.
According to that article that examined Froyo update times, Motorola was the fastest on average getting a Froyo update to market among manufacturers, and AT&T was the slowest among carriers, so between the two, I suspect we'll see Gingerbread in no worse a timeframe than average, hopefully better.
I'm almost positive HTC beat motorola in terms of OS updates.
Phones going back for a few main reasons:
No HSUPA support. Ridiculous.
Cant produce the color YELLOW... which is simply unacceptable.
Dock limited in resolution so it looks like crap on my LCD monitor.
UI is sluggish, very sluggish. It cant even handle the beautiful widgets animation or the animated gingerbread docks.
Guess ill wait for the Galaxy S 2.
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Phones going back for a few main reasons:
No HSUPA support. Ridiculous.
Cant produce the color YELLOW... which is simply unacceptable.
Dock limited in resolution so it looks like crap on my LCD monitor.
UI is sluggish, very sluggish. It cant even handle the beautiful widgets animation or the animated gingerbread docks.
Guess ill wait for the Galaxy S 2.
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Wow yours can't? I'm running a lot of programs in the background, streaming HD video from YouTube, and countless other things and I get no lag whatsoever.
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Phones going back for a few main reasons:
No HSUPA support. Ridiculous.
Cant produce the color YELLOW... which is simply unacceptable.
Dock limited in resolution so it looks like crap on my LCD monitor.
UI is sluggish, very sluggish. It cant even handle the beautiful widgets animation or the animated gingerbread docks.
Guess ill wait for the Galaxy S 2.
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I don't have my atrix yet, but from what I've read so far, coupled with common sense, I'd say:
- HSUPA is only supported for iPhone on AT&T. It is a network issue, not a phone issue.
- I am pretty sure it can. Maybe not the exact hue of yellow that you would like, but I would be very surprised otherwise.
- Isn't the dock putting out in HD or qHD? Should be good enough... also, check your settings.
- As mentioned many times across this forum, the UI seems to be quite fast. As you'd expect from a dual core 1GHz processor with kick-ass mobile GPU. It is possible, though, that some apps/widgets are not 100% compatible with it.
Just my $0.02
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I don't have my atrix yet, but from what I've read so far, coupled with common sense, I'd say:
- HSUPA is only supported for iPhone on AT&T. It is a network issue, not a phone issue.
- I am pretty sure it can. Maybe not the exact hue of yellow that you would like, but I would be very surprised otherwise.
- Isn't the dock putting out in HD or qHD? Should be good enough... also, check your settings.
- As mentioned many times across this forum, the UI seems to be quite fast. As you'd expect from a dual core 1GHz processor with kick-ass mobile GPU. It is possible, though, that some apps/widgets are not 100% compatible with it. Run the quadrant 2D benchmark. You will get around 14fps which in turn, is the fps you will get on your UI. captivate for me gets 24ish.
Just my $0.02
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HSUPA is a modem issue - if we could hack the boot loader, we could fix it... buuuuuuttt we cant.
The phone cant do yellow, it does brown. Go to wikipedia and scroll down to the actual color of html yellow. Put it next to another phone. Its Gold, not yellow. Might not seem like much but when you put all the other colors in the mix... most of them are way off.
The UI is anything BUT fast. I guess coming from a rom'd captivate I am spoiled. Imagine a phone running live wallpaper without getting choppy. This phone cant do it. It cant even handle beautiful widgets animation when it rains. You are pretty bias about it really, but thats ok. Thats why its the atrix board. Im a dose of reality
So..... again, how exactly do you know that the much-to-be-pointless animated weather widget isn't being choppy on the Atrix due to a software issue regarding the widget itself? You seriously need an animation to tell you it's raining?
I'm also fairly certain i've read in another thread that it is NOT an issue with the phone itself that HSUPA is not working... that someone i believe at AT&T mentioned it is so far only working with the iPhone on THEIR end, and that it should be fixed sometime soon.
And i have no idea what monitor you are using.... not that it matters, but i don't even have the dock... just plugged the phone into our 1080p HDTV using the supplied Micro-HDMI cable (or whichever it is.... mini... micro.... never can tell anymore, really).... and it looks just fine.... and playing a standard definition video (624x352 to be exact. Possibly less-than-standard definition) which looked not really any different than if i were playing it on my computer. I haven't tried hooking it up directly to my monitor since i don't really feel like disconnecting my PS3 right now.... but if i had to guess, if you're talking about an actual PC monitor.... have you ever thought that maybe something with the monitor scaling itself is causing it to not look the way it should?
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I've had a nexus s and it does not lag at all, neither does my atrix. Single core or dual core it doesn't seem to make a difference to me. In my experience the atrix has better battery life. As far as the screens go that's a matter of opinion, the samoled seems more vibrant but is utterly useless in sunlight. As much as I hate BLUR, I chose the atrix over the nexus s and once we have an AOSP Rom I will have no regrets whatsoever.
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Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I had the nexus s, it wasn't much of an improvement over my custom rommed Captivate, so I took it back. I was also looking forward to the Galaxy S2's release in America, until I got Gingerbread on my Atrix. There is no way the GS2 will be a substantial improvement over my Atrix now.
The Motorola Atrix was voted as the best phone at CES, and with Gingerbread it lives up to those accolades. Froyo and the ridiculous price of the lapdock killed this phone's initial release.
Take a look at the top results on Smartbench 2011, there is a reason Samsung delayed the GS2's release and overclocked it to 1.2ghz. Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.
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Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.
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So will the battery life lol
Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.
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Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.
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I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.
I had nexus so and atrix together for two weeks. There is major performance difference between the two. Nexus s's 512 mb ram was the deal breaker for me, it was not enough. I think I'm spoiled by the 1gb ram.
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If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.
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Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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I really like my Atrix, but I would wait and see what the next Nexus phone will bring.
Atrix ftw, i think its best phone so far for me
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Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)
I own both and I prefer the Atrix.
With an AOSP ROM this phone will scream.
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Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I would stay away from the Nexus S. Ya, it's Raw Goog but the sub-par RAM, single core chip and cheap plastic construction just aren't worth it especially on a new contract.
I'm loving my Atrix on GB, rooted, de-blurred (Titanium freeze) and running Go Launcher EX. I experience no lag, web browser is lighting fast, GPS is the best I've experienced from a phone. That's my experience and opinion. Considering the timing of your upgrade I would suggest checking the SG2 out as it may be more to your liking. Some people like Sammy HW some don't (I personally hate it, especially their damn "Chin" design philosophy).
That said, you cannot go wrong with the Atrix, it's an excellent phone. I traded in my Inspire 4G at a loss and don't regret my decision one bit.
Oh, and DL/UL speed in Houston, TX I've been averaging 3.5mb down (6 max) and 1.3mb up (2.1 max). Inspire 4G never made it over 2.5 down (1 Ghz. w/ 768mb RAM). Atrix is on par with my friend's EVO 4G (Sprint WiMax, he avgs 2-3 but has a max he's gotten of 7 once) and another friend's T-Bolt (Verizon LTE, 5-6 avg and a max of 8). And yes processor and RAM do affect your up/down as it's partially determined by the amount of data your phone can process, another reason to stay away from the S at this point.
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well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)
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Might have been my thread. I apologize, but I was wrong. Even tough performance has increased substantially (from 8-10 fps to an average of 24) when playing high profile h.264, it still isnt perfectly smooth and, for some reason, the episodes of Game of Thrones were mute for me, which indicates a continuing lack of support to audio codecs. After converting it with the Handbrake method, it worked flawlessly.
@OP
The Atrix and the SGS2 have different offerings. SGS2 has a standardly overclocked processor, a bigger, brighter screen, less weight, and a GPU accelerated browser. The Atrix has a much higher pixel density, better battery life, and a specialized game store (Nvidia Tegra Zone which, despite the lack of titles in numbers, the ones it DOES have possess highly improved graphics over standard versions).
And for many of us, it has a lapdock, which is a perfect netbook replacement if all you do is work with word, excel, and light web browsing, being lighter and having better battery life than many netbooks. Its also fun like hell to play at customizing it
I like the overall build with the Motorola Atrix, but without the GPU accelerated and NEON support, would I be at a significant hardware disadvantage for everyday use? I feel I wouldn't. Also, any complaints about the screen?
Okay. Opera provides a gpu accelerated browser that is blazing fast. The screen is really nice, but you may notice grainy greens.
Edit: oh, neon support isn't an issue, at least for me. Most of my videos can be played using moboplayer.
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The atrix also is not sized like a giant brick but weighing like a feather toy (the #1 reason I didn't go for the SGS2). Form factor wins for me. Not to mention in Australia, atrix is 150-200 dollars cheaper.
I would say though with froyo it is noticeably inferior. But that's no longer an issue, whether stock or unlock BL/custom ROM.
If you want a big screen and fast phone....sgs2, if you want sething new and try some mods atrix, if yu are a hard modder HD2
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Now that there's actual photos of the AT&T galaxy family, would anyone consider it a superior choice? I kinda like the idea of a physical keyboard but I'm used to portrait like on my blackberry.
In conclusion: Amazing. The work Turl, Jokersax, etc have done here is amazing.
Why do I say this? I just got a One X. And it feels slower than my Atrix
Thanks guys, and I hope it will go on being appreciated by my girlfriend (if I can pry her away from the world of physical keyboards - can't keep using a Desire Z forever!)
Some work to be done here, methinks. Plus, I used to think Sense made Android better. Since Google gave us ICS, it feels like an abomination
Did you get a 4G LTE one? That ones dual core just like the, and the unlocked HSPA+ ones are quad core. At least, thats how I understand it, correct me if im wrong.
But still, it being "just a dual core" shouldnt make it laggy, if anything it should be a similar experience to the Atrix, or more so. Very peculiar.
Anyways, it looks like an awesome phone, maybe you just need some good ole Cyanogen magic to bring it out of its shell.
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Did you get a 4G LTE one? That ones dual core just like the, and the unlocked HSPA+ ones are quad core. At least, thats how I understand it, correct me if im wrong.
But still, it being "just a dual core" shouldnt make it laggy, if anything it should be a similar experience to the Atrix, or more so. Very peculiar.
Anyways, it looks like an awesome phone, maybe you just need some good ole Cyanogen magic to bring it out of its shell.
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The Krait CPU in the dual core version is actually super competitive with the Tegra3 quad core version, so if it is slower than the Atrix, more power to the developers!
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Did you get a 4G LTE one? That ones dual core just like the, and the unlocked HSPA+ ones are quad core. At least, thats how I understand it, correct me if im wrong.
But still, it being "just a dual core" shouldnt make it laggy, if anything it should be a similar experience to the Atrix, or more so. Very peculiar.
Anyways, it looks like an awesome phone, maybe you just need some good ole Cyanogen magic to bring it out of its shell.
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I think you something...
Actually, I would've preferred a Krait-based version (krait owns a9s in terms of performance per core, so an app is going to have to be very well threaded to run faster on Tegra 3... Plus Adreno 225 is a good deal faster than Tegra 3s GPU) but here in the UK we don't have commercially available LTE yet, so mine's the standard Kal-El quad.
It's better now its rooted and running a bloat-free ROM, but it doesn't feel faster than the Atrix tbh. It's nice to finally have a phone with a non-pentile screen though
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Actually, I would've preferred a Krait-based version (krait owns a9s in terms of performance per core, so an app is going to have to be very well threaded to run faster on Tegra 3... Plus Adreno 225 is a good deal faster than Tegra 3s GPU) but here in the UK we don't have commercially available LTE yet, so mine's the standard Kal-El quad.
It's better now its rooted and running a bloat-free ROM, but it doesn't feel faster than the Atrix tbh. It's nice to finally have a phone with a non-pentile screen though
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That's so weird to hear that the quad isn't as fast. I know we don't need quad cores at all, its stupid and only for wow factor, but its still weird to hear that. Once more developers get on into the One X though, its going to be sick. A lot of devs are leaving the Desire HD to get the One X.
What is the One X overclock-able to?
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i wonder if a de-sensed ROM on the oneX would be smoother?
I wouldn't be surprised if next gen smartphones have a core i7 3960X and 24GB of ram.
Hah! You've hit on why I never bought into the hype for the SGSII. I think we've reached a point where, unless Android 5+ has something really heavy in it the OS is no longer bottlenecked by hardware. Dual core 1Ghz+ CPUs are enough for Android to run like butter, and as a result the screen or LTE are the only incentives to upgrade at this point in time.
I hear you on pentile, ever since I read about it I cant un-notice it on greens. But is a screen really worth $200(contract)-$600(no contract)? IMO its not.
Either way, enjoy your One X. Its popularity and HTC's track record with unlockable bootloaders should all but guarantee you'll see stock ICS roms pretty soon.
The HTC One X comes with Sense 4 so it already has ICS.
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Hah! You've hit on why I never bought into the hype for the SGSII. I think we've reached a point where, unless Android 5+ has something really heavy in it the OS is no longer bottlenecked by hardware. Dual core 1Ghz+ CPUs are enough for Android to run like butter, and as a result the screen or LTE are the only incentives to upgrade at this point in time.
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Sure are. To be honest, I was perfectly happy with my Atrix. With CM9, it's perfect - incredibly fast, stable and great battery life (at least as far as Android phones go ). The only reason I upgraded was because I came to the end of my contract, and as I have to keep paying the amount I am for the internet coverage anyway, I figured why not renew for another 2 years and grab a new toy with no up-front cost.
I hear you on pentile, ever since I read about it I cant un-notice it on greens. But is a screen really worth $200(contract)-$600(no contract)? IMO its not.
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Actually, the Atrix PenTile LCD (RGBW) annoyed me far less than the AMOLED (RGBG) on the Desire I had previously - at least with the Atrix arrangement, black on white/white on black are rendered at full resolution, so most text is very sharp, whereas everything but green renders at 1/4 res on the non-super AMOLED!
Either way, enjoy your One X. Its popularity and HTC's track record with unlockable bootloaders should all but guarantee you'll see stock ICS roms pretty soon.
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Yeah, I think I should be on to a safe bet, the Desire development community is massive, which I always appreciated when I had one And I guess the One X is 2012's Desire... I'm (rather impatiently) looking forward to S-Off, AOSP/CM9 and custom kernels though.
I just need to get used to this size tax that all Android device manufacturers seem to be applying to their high-end phones these days 'Want a powerful phone? Sorry, it's got to be unfathomably gigantic' [it's not the bulk - the One X is lighter and thinner than the Atrix... What really irks me that I can't reach the top corners of the screen whilst holding the phone securely in one hand walking down the road or whatever. But maybe that's just me....]
So even though CM9 is still in alpha, it works great? Is there anything about it that doesn't work?
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So even though CM9 is still in alpha, it works great? Is there anything about it that doesn't work?
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I don't think video recording works, plus the browser tends to crash if you rotate from portrait to landscape. I now just turn the phone before starting the browser as a matter of habit Hardware video playback/encoding acceleration doesn't yet work, so most flash video at high bitrates is choppy at best, though Youtube works fine, as does local video (the files I tried, anyway). As always for CM roms, Moto webtop doesn't work, although there is a tablet-view based alternative that I think is currently working - it appears this is the route Motorola are going for in their own ICS ROMs anyway, so it will probably be the case for the Atrix too upon release. I don't really know as I've never used it.
But aside from that: yes, it's amazing. Far faster than any Froyo or Gingerbread release I tried in feel. The browser is much faster both in terms of page rendering and scrolling/zooming smoothness. Even complex AJAX web pages scroll and interact smoothly. With Chrome Beta, it's even better! Scrolling and transitions in general are much smoother thanks to the hardware accelerated GUI. To me, the Atrix feels like a whole new phone with ICS. Oh, and I forgot: The battery life is much better with my usage too - I rarely see below about 60% when returning from work these days where as back when I was running CM7, it would often be closer to 30%...
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So even though CM9 is still in alpha, it works great? Is there anything about it that doesn't work?
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This thread inspired me to give CM9 a try. It's definitely not ready for prime time. I went back to CM7. The camera didn't work half the time. Video recording doesn't work at all. Can't use tabs in Chrome and it crashed often. No fingerprint unlock which isn't a deal breaker but still a bummer.
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This thread inspired me to give CM9 a try. It's definitely not ready for prime time. I went back to CM7. The camera didn't work half the time. Video recording doesn't work at all. Can't use tabs in Chrome and it crashed often. No fingerprint unlock which isn't a deal breaker but still a bummer.
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I've used phones with OEM firmware with more bugs
What's up with the camera? I have zero issues with stills... Although the Atrix's camera is so terrible it's not really worth using anyway! (I'm sure the camera on my old Desire was a lot better? As is, obviously, the One X - though even that doesn't compete with the cheapest 'real' camera...)
Personally, I found that despite the bugs, going back to <ICS feels like being in the stone age Scrolling, zooming and the render time for complex pages in the browser is so bad on GB I actually hated browsing the web on it before the (very buggy) early test builds of CM9 came along. You can't even use Chrome on previous versions, so why does that matter? The stock browser is infinitely better on ICS than GB...
All the work these guys have put in to bring us ICS, IMO is incredible. Maybe it's not ready for 'prime time' but I'd hazard a guess that Motorola's initial official releases will likely be just as/more buggy (although maybe in different ways) and probably a hell of a lot slower if previous AOSP/CM vs. Moto ROM rules apply... Having said that, the correct + working video drivers from the Moto release when they drop will likely fix everything that's wrong with CM9 on the Atrix at the moment.
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thats just not realistic...
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What don't work on CM9 Roms?
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thats just not realistic...
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Why cut off the parenthesis? He said in different ways, which is more than possible
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Why cut off the parenthesis? He said in different ways, which is more than possible
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because stating that the official release will have as many if not more bugs is not the same as stating it will have different bugs. my argument is against the former. do you really think an official release from motorola, a company that has all the resources they need available to them (including a QA team), would have as many or more bugs than a community-developed ROM, which itself was a best-effort attempt at porting ICS to a platform which did not already have it? i'm sorry, but that is just a brash generalization possibly rooted in some sort of loathsomeness for not having an official ICS release already.
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because stating that the official release will have as many if not more bugs is not the same as stating it will have different bugs. my argument is against the former. do you really think an official release from motorola, a company that has all the resources they need available to them (including a QA team), would have as many or more bugs than a community-developed ROM, which itself was a best-effort attempt at porting ICS to a platform which did not already have it?
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Unfortunately, many Android lovers tend to believe community devs can do no wrong and corporate devs are slow and retarded.
If so, then why is dev work SO much better when source code, drivers, and official builds are released?
CM9 will be absolutely beyond amazing once official Atrix ICS is out and drivers/source is out.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7WUnQzFMp4&feature=plcp
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I think the "I" is on par with the S4 Dual-core, but hey, S4 Pro Quad-core are just around the corner, zzzzz....
Intel is a bit late on the cpu roadmap, they should put out more effort, yes i like the RAZR I, beautifully edge-to-edge,
but when will RAZR coming out with a 4.6 - 4.8inch Super Amoled with Quad-core(mostly S4 Pro)?:laugh:
This got me curious if it's able to put the RAZR i screen on the RAZR M? Because I have wanted to get rid of "Verizon" logo on front.
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Hell-Intimidator said:
This got me curious if it's able to put the RAZR i screen on the RAZR M? Because I have wanted to get rid of "Verizon" logo on front.
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You probably can. No reason why not.
Like the M in the US, Motorola gave everyone who attended a unit to take away.
I got one and must say it's quite amazing how powerful it is without killing the battery or running red hot. My current phone is a Xperia S and the i has instant camera startup (well, perhaps 0.5 seconds or even quicker) that really shows the Sony up.
Very impressed with the phone and what Intel might be doing in the next 12 months. They certainly seem like they can catch up fairly quick.
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Like the M in the US, Motorola gave everyone who attended a unit to take away.
I got one and must say it's quite amazing how powerful it is without killing the battery or running red hot. My current phone is a Xperia S and the i has instant camera startup (well, perhaps 0.5 seconds or even quicker) that really shows the Sony up.
Very impressed with the phone and what Intel might be doing in the next 12 months. They certainly seem like they can catch up fairly quick.
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Have you experienced any app incompatibility yet? That is my biggest concern with the Intel version.
The single-core Intel processor (at 2.0GHz [!!!]) in the RAZR i is about on par with the Snapdragon S3 @ 1.2 GHz. It's really bad by today's standards, going up against the S4, S4 Pro, and the Tegra 3 with half the clock speed and double/quadruple the cores. I honestly wouldn't recommend anything with an Intel processor to anyone until they get their stuff together. It honestly seems like the RAZR i is just a proof-of-concept phone, seeing it freeze while swiping between home screens in hands-on videos is pretty much unacceptable - that's the first thing every reviewer does looool.
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Have you experienced any app incompatibility yet? That is my biggest concern with the Intel version.
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Not yet, although I've obviously not tried everything on the Play store. If there's any specific app you want me to try, let me know.
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The single-core Intel processor (at 2.0GHz [!!!]) in the RAZR i is about on par with the Snapdragon S3 @ 1.2 GHz. It's really bad by today's standards, going up against the S4, S4 Pro, and the Tegra 3 with half the clock speed and double/quadruple the cores. I honestly wouldn't recommend anything with an Intel processor to anyone until they get their stuff together. It honestly seems like the RAZR i is just a proof-of-concept phone, seeing it freeze while swiping between home screens in hands-on videos is pretty much unacceptable - that's the first thing every reviewer does looool.
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I think the most important thing, speaking as an Xperia S user that has had a rollercoaster ride when it comes to battery life, is that the processor seems to conserve power very well. CPU Spy seems to show that the slowest speed is 600MHz (which is odd) but it manages to utilise deep sleep mode far better than my Sony does - and it does mean I can well believe you might get the 20 hours advertised for usage (not some fictitious standby time of 2 or 3 weeks that some manufacturers quote with the phone most likely being unused, in airplane mode).
Don't get me wrong, this isn't the fastest smartphone I've used (or even have in my possession) but it's quick and the 'lagging' issue on the launcher seems to be purely down to the launcher. It's not the standard Android launcher and I've had issues with Motorola launchers/home screens before. I intend to install the Nova launcher on it soon anyway, as I've got used to that on my Xperia S and other smartphones.
For the price (it's not top-end iPhone/GS3/HTC One X money), I think it's a really nice package. I really like the screen (forget thinking it's like the original RAZR where everything was dark or greeny/grey) and the tiny edging makes the phone really small. The camera is decent, and unbelievably quick to launch. Quick Launch was one of the key reasons for me getting and keeping the Xperia S, and this beats it - even if the image sensor is 'only' 8-megapixels.
Anyway, I'm continuing to test the phone out before writing my review (I don't believe in doing a review after 20 minutes to be first on the web, when it doesn't give time to pick up the niggles and annoyances) so I'll quite possibly have a different opinion over the weekend.
I ordered one, it will ship first week of October, I am trading the one x until hd European version arrives
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Ordered one as well, looking forward to working on this
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Not yet, although I've obviously not tried everything on the Play store. If there's any specific app you want me to try, let me know.
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Good to know. I don't have anything specific that I want tested at this time, but I'll let you know.
I'll just keep an eye on how things progress for this and the M over the next couple of months. If the I can provide roughly the same level of usability as far as app compatibility goes, I'll be interested in getting one. Getting an unlocked I will probably be a lot easier than attempting to make the Verizon M work on T-Mobile. Development support is a concern, too...I'm not sure how much work would be required to port ROMs for the Intel hardware vs. the standard Qualcomm stuff. I'm happy that these phones are getting a good amount of interest, though. That's more than I can say of most other phones that have appealed to me in the past. I have different tastes, apparently, but it looks like the world is finally catching up to me.
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Not yet, although I've obviously not tried everything on the Play store. If there's any specific app you want me to try, let me know.
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Can you please try installing Google Chrome? And tell us? I will buy this or one S and want to know.
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Can you please try installing Google Chrome? And tell us? I will buy this or one S and want to know.
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Google said they are updating Chrome by the launch date to be compatible with x86 android devices.
Chrome doesn't install (says package invalid) but they did say at the launch it will be made to work properly.
I did think it would work though, just not be optimised. So that's the first thing that doesn't work I have tried.
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Chrome doesn't install (says package invalid) but they did say at the launch it will be made to work properly.
I did think it would work though, just not be optimised. So that's the first thing that doesn't work I have tried.
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Check your PM's when you get the chance
Thanks for that, didn't get any notification (using Tapatalk with them turned off).
Also, I use Dolphin browser and that works fine.
Does somebody know if M will be available in Europe. Or it will be just I? May be M will be available just in small countries like Scandinavia?
Depends on what the operators want. Much of Scandinavia has LTE, so perhaps the M will be sold if it supports the right frequencies?
You will be able to be able to buy it SIM free otherwise.
Just got this press release;
We hope you are continuing to enjoy your Motorola RAZR™ i device with Intel Inside® and an edge-to-edge display!
As you know, the version you received at the event was a pre-released unit and therefore some system updates were to be provided following press launch.
We are now pleased to announce the availability of Chrome for Android on Intel x86 devices, available for download on Google Play and from the Google Play Store on your Motorola RAZR i. This smartphone puts the Google universe in your hand and now you’ll now be able to experience the speed, security, and simplicity of Chrome.
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Nice! I also saw that.
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