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Proud Nexus One owners first Impression of the HTC Droid Incredible

So I just got back from the Verizon store about 10 minutes ago and I thought that I would write my impressions. Keep in mind this is just my opinion and I figured it might help some out that have not had the chance to try the Incredible or may be on the fence with it or the Nexus One (yes, I know that the N1 is no longer coming to Verizon =( but for some a provider means nothing)
Some up front information. I am a long time iPhone user (owned all three) and switched to the ATT band Nexus One about a month ago. I personally, love Android and I am very happy with the switch. I have the newest build of Cyanogen Mod (2.6.33.2). I didn't really do any up front tests (i.e, speedtest,browser, or acid etc) , and this review is more to do with my impressions I did however run the two phones side by side and spent over an hour with it.
Ok, so let's get to it. The first thing is aesthetics and to be honest I thought the Incredible looked nice, and also felt pretty good in hand. It seems to be built good and it seems to have the exact same "rubbery" feeling that the battery cover of the N1 has, but it is on the entire back of the phone. The back cover didn't bother me to much at all and I felt that it added to the whole "droid" feel that Verizon and it's partners are trying to pull off. There are a couple things that would worry me if I was an Incredible owner and that is the material they used when making the phone. I couldn't get over the fact that the phone felt a little cheap, but I still get the feeling that it would last if dropped. I don't really get that feeling with my Nexus One. I feel the build of the Nexus One is a little better (i.e, aluminum), but I have always felt that the phone would not with stand the slightest bit of fall from even 3-5 feet (I have never dropped mine so I really have no experience, again this is only my opinion based on how the phones feel).
The Incredible is fast, really fast. I had the same feeling when I used my Nexus One for the first time and as far as I can see there really is not a huge difference in speed between the two phones. But, there is a giant difference in "touch" the Incredible eats my Nexus One's lunch when it comes to overall touch and snappiness. The new sensor really adds to the whole Android experience and of all the Android phones I have tried none so far even come close to the touch screen on the Incredible. My Nexus One was great and the iPhone's I had was even better, but finally we have an Android phone (in my opinion) that not only competes with the iPhone on touchscreen and multitouch technology, but the Incredible one ups it. It really made the whole experience a lot more enjoyable on the phone. Everything, seems to work like Android was designed to work.
The next big thing I noticed and tested was the N1 trackball vs the Incredible's optical sensor. The sensor was nice and I have mixed feelings between the two. I mean everyone knows that an optical sensor looks better and should last a hell of a lot longer than a trackball and I have always felt that the trackball on the N1 looked way out of place. I have gotten really used to the trackball and I use it quite a bit and it is a lot easier to use than the optical sensor. You won't see a big difference at all if you are just flipping between screens or jumping to a text needed in the browser, but you will when choosing apps (but, really who does that anyways when you have touch) Like I said I have mixed feelings I love the look of the optical sensor, but I really feel the trackball is a little more responsive. It took me a while to get used to the trackball so I am sure if I owned the phone I would get a little more used to it and my opinion would change. I must say that I don't use the trackball often so if I had the choice I am sure I would choose the optical sensor.
Some of the other things I noticed that didn't make a huge impression was Sense vs Vanilla Android. I have used sense off and on with both my N1 (Modaco ROM), and my fiance's Droid Eris. I don't have much of an opinion, but I would give just a slight edge to Vanilla Android just because of the update situation however, if Google really adjusts Android like they are rumored to do and the update situation is non existent my opinion would change and I would like Sense. I guess we will see, but as far as some saying that having Sense will bog down Android I must say that I didn't experience that at all. They both ran just as smooth and will the Incredible's wonderful touch sensor I would give a slight favor to the Incredible with sense over the N1.
I spent about ten minutes with the camera/video camera on both phones and although I couldn't tell a huge difference in the pictures and videos (I know the Incredible sports a 8 mp and the N1 5mp), but I was also not able to upload any pictures to a computer to blow them up. I did send them to my email and I will post later if I notice a big jump or not. I still would give the Incredible the advantage just because why wouldn't I? 8mp is always going to beat 5mp and dual flash is nice.
Next one of my biggest gripes about the N1 and that is the touch sensor buttons on the bottom of the phone. The N1 like many probably know work and work well, but you have to touch the top two thirds of the label to get them to respond at all and I did find for the first little bit of owning the phone I often touched the home screen button when typing a text or email. With the Incredible these work perfectly. Not only do you not have to aim your finger, but they also worked every time I attempted to use them. They are in a different order than the N1 so that took me a minute to get used to, but no biggie. This is the way HTC and Google should of made the N1 work and personally I think they got it right with the Incredible.
I don't have a problem with my N1 when it comes to the 3G dropping issue and that could be that I got the ATT one or maybe I just got lucky. I did try to cover the bottom of the Incredible and it didn't seem to dip at all. Also, there was a Moto Droid right next to the Incredible and they seemed to get the same service so that should be a relief for many.
I wish that I would of had a couple days with this phone so that I could test many other aspects with it like the battery, further tests on 3G and wifi, the overall build, and even the speed. Really the Incredible is a nice phone and in a lot of ways I feel that it lives up to the hype. In my opinion I found my self wishing that I had the screen touch sensor in my N1 it really makes a giant difference even tho the N1 isn't all that bad. I could really do without the extra mega pixels in the camera and to my knowledge they both record at the same levels (I may be wrong with this and if I am then I am sorry). I do wish that the touch sensors on the bottom of the N1 worked as well as the Incredible, but I can live without it. Like I said sense vs Vanilla until I hear differently I would rather get the quicker updates, but if Google addresses this issue I would love to Sense on my N1 (Yes, I know I can with Modaco Sense ROM). The trackball is something that doesn't make a huge difference, but I do worry about how well it will hold up after months of usage.
My final feelings are that although the Incredible is the better phone it is not worth switching over to Verizon for it (although yes I do believe that Verizon is the better provider, but I have a family plan and a contract and that is what I am speaking of). The Incredible looks and feels nice, but I must say I like the overall look and feel of the N1 a little more. Like I said, I couldn't get over the fact that the Incredible felt a little fragile because of the plastic material the phone is made of, but then again the N1's build doesn't feel all that more solid of a phone. The N1 screen looked to me to be a little wider (I could be wrong) and although it sounds wierd it did make a difference, at least to me it did. It will be interesting to see when the Incredible will get the desk dock and car dock because these are big selling points to me with my N1. The deal breaker is the touch screen and how it works. This is the biggest selling point of this phone and that makes me want it, but there is one big thing with my N1 that I really enjoy and that is the wonderful developers behind the N1. I love how easy Google made to root this phone and I really think that a lot of developers make our phones all the more fun to use. Until, I can see the Incredible get these abilities (I am sure they will with great people like Paul the other day rooting the Desire) I would have to go with my N1.
I hope this was helpful to some and that people don't think I was to harsh to either side. I tried my hardest to not come off like a "fanboi" and tried to be as unbiased as possible. I really went in today looking to see if this phone lived up to its hype and I believe it did. I can't see many flaws with owning this phone and I welcome all of our new Android brothers and sisters to the party. Let me know how you all think and thanks for reading I know it's long as hell. Again, A huge thank you to all you developers that pour your hard work into making all of our lives easier. You really make our phones and the Android world all the much better than the competition. Keep up the good work, we love you guys!

Very nice review! For some reason though, even if I could get an Incredible.. I don't think I would o_0 I really don't know why, but.. even though it has better specs (well, not that many matter) I just don't even think I actually "want" it. Is that weird?
They're both great phones, and really are just going to make Android better. Wait, you said the Nexus's screen was wider? Pictures really don't show that.. I thought the Incredible had a wider screen. Weirdness..

Fair enough. I'd say it's just a case of the Incredible coming out later, hence with better hardware. Newer stuff almost always have better components. That's just the way gadgets are. The thing that irks me are people saying that the "old" stuff SUCKS now because there's "new" stuff now. These are the idiots that should be shot.

I too considered the Incredible, but for some reason I felt pangs of loss when I considered not having my Nexy anymore.
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Wow, great comparison. I read every word. I can't wait to test out the Incredible myself this weekend!
It seems like it's a much better phone in almost every way (touchscreen, soft buttons, camera).
The only downside is what will happen with 2.2. This has yet to be proven, so it can't be counted as a negative -- yet. Time will tell. Until then, I'm definitely envious since in my eyes it is definitely the better phone. Although I think the N1 is definitely sexier

My mom just got this phone today, and I got to say, Sense UI on that phone is a lot faster than Sense UI on the Nexus.

McFroger3 said:
My mom just got this phone today, and I got to say, Sense UI on that phone is a lot faster than Sense UI on the Nexus.
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That's cause its not made to be on the Nexus, and Paul doesn't have the Desire kernel source to make it a complete build. I don't even know how much of a speed increase that would cause regardless.. I don't like when people say this (what you said) because the Nexus was never made to run Sense UI, and therefore doesn't have the correct optimization, the stock 2.1 Google experience is the Nexus's child.. not Sense. Im assuming you knew this.. though. Oh and edit, everything I said could possibly be wrong. I am not a ROM baker, or developer.
I wish the things that made the Incredible better interested me, I dont take many pictures.. my touchscreen doesn't irritate me.. and the soft buttons do their job well. Another good score for Android though, with next being the Evo - and those new phones Dell are working on.

Eclair~ said:
Very nice review! For some reason though, even if I could get an Incredible.. I don't think I would o_0 I really don't know why, but.. even though it has better specs (well, not that many matter) I just don't even think I actually "want" it. Is that weird?
They're both great phones, and really are just going to make Android better. Wait, you said the Nexus's screen was wider? Pictures really don't show that.. I thought the Incredible had a wider screen. Weirdness..
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No that isn't weird at all and I feel the same. It isn't a big jump from the Nexus One and even if it was I don't feel comfortable doing it until developers have had their way and have root. It will be interesting to see. If I was going to make a jump (which as of now I wont) I would make the jump to the EVO. The Incredible just doesn't have enough over the N1 specs wise.

jacka$$1 said:
Fair enough. I'd say it's just a case of the Incredible coming out later, hence with better hardware. Newer stuff almost always have better components. That's just the way gadgets are. The thing that irks me are people saying that the "old" stuff SUCKS now because there's "new" stuff now. These are the idiots that should be shot.
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I agree to the fullest! I saw some kids on Engadget saying that the Incredivble is faster in every aspect than the N1 and that is not even close to the fact. It is a great phone and yes Verizon and HTC have fixed some of the N1's flaws but all in all this phone is a plastic Desire (that is not a bad thing at all and to each his own) I just wanted to let people know the impressions I got from the phone. To be honest I hope this phone is even more popular than the Moto Droid and then a bunch of people will get it and get more developers interested in Android. I hope it is a huge mainstream success. I love the idea that I have never seen a N1 rather than mine. They can have all that. I love how easy it is to root the N1 and all the talented developers behind it.

Paul22000 said:
Wow, great comparison. I read every word. I can't wait to test out the Incredible myself this weekend!
It seems like it's a much better phone in almost every way (touchscreen, soft buttons, camera).
The only downside is what will happen with 2.2. This has yet to be proven, so it can't be counted as a negative -- yet. Time will tell. Until then, I'm definitely envious since in my eyes it is definitely the better phone. Although I think the N1 is definitely sexier
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I agree the Nexus is a lot sexier. I held them up by each other and both look like great designs. The Incredible has nice specs but most are just small upgrades the Incredible's touch screen is the big difference, but so is the N1 being Google's baby and we will get the upgrades a lot faster. That to me is a bigger selling point. If that changes then I might change my mind. The internal memory, better camera, and better buttons just don't warrant a provider jump in my eyes.

McFroger3 said:
My mom just got this phone today, and I got to say, Sense UI on that phone is a lot faster than Sense UI on the Nexus.
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Oh yeah I definately agree a hundred percent. It is a whole different ball game. To be fair Paul's Modoco is still in alpha and it is amazing that he even got it to work. We are lucky that we even get the chance to try it out to be honest.

Eclair~ said:
That's cause its not made to be on the Nexus, and Paul doesn't have the Desire kernel source to make it a complete build. I don't even know how much of a speed increase that would cause regardless.. I don't like when people say this (what you said) because the Nexus was never made to run Sense UI, and therefore doesn't have the correct optimization, the stock 2.1 Google experience is the Nexus's child.. not Sense. Im assuming you knew this.. though. Oh and edit, everything I said could possibly be wrong. I am not a ROM baker, or developer.
I wish the things that made the Incredible better interested me, I dont take many pictures.. my touchscreen doesn't irritate me.. and the soft buttons do their job well. Another good score for Android though, with next being the Evo - and those new phones Dell are working on.
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You seem to have the same impression as me. I think that stock Android runs just as good on the Nexus One as Sense does on the Incredible. It comes down to overall what people prefer and for me I prefer Vanilla. None of us will be on top of the Android game for long. Every couple of months a better phone is coming out. It happened to the Moto Droid, now the Nexus One, and soon the Incredible with the EVO 4G. Overall, as Android grows we will all reap the benefits. I really think that the specs in the N1 will be relevant for quite awhile and we wont see many phones that completely stomp it. At least not for another year or so. I am happy with my purchase (especially getting rid of that damn iPhone 3Gs)

angermeans said:
No that isn't weird at all and I feel the same. It isn't a big jump from the Nexus One and even if it was I don't feel comfortable doing it until developers have had their way and have root. It will be interesting to see. If I was going to make a jump (which as of now I wont) I would make the jump to the EVO. The Incredible just doesn't have enough over the N1 specs wise.
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Good review man. I also agree that I'd be more interested in the Evo than the Incredible. Partly because of the bigger screen, partly due to the 4G (though my current provider's, T-mobile, HSPA+ might be faster), and partly because I can't stomach paying $40 more a month over Sprint or T-mo.
Do we know yet if the Evo 4G will have the Maxtouch touchscreen?

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I agree the Nexus is a lot sexier
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I've heard this over and over again and I have to agree - The Droid incredible has a look that pales in comparison to the N1.
Having a great phone that also looks amazing is a huge draw to the reason we get new technology (just ask apple and the people who actually bought a $1700 MacBook air). If looks weren't important for our hardware then we would all be driving economy cars with better MPG specs and having Droid incredibles, instead though we have nice looking cars and a near perfect Nexus 1 that looks amazing.

uansari1 said:
Good review man. I also agree that I'd be more interested in the Evo than the Incredible. Partly because of the bigger screen, partly due to the 4G (though my current provider's, T-mobile, HSPA+ might be faster), and partly because I can't stomach paying $40 more a month over Sprint or T-mo.
Do we know yet if the Evo 4G will have the Maxtouch touchscreen?
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I don't know if we know for sure if it will or not, but if I was a betting man (and i def am) I would say that HTC and Sprint would be stupid not to. I also believe that I read somewhere that all HTC phones will now have that sensor in it. I can't prove that as I am going to work now, but I will look for the source while I am at work and try to post it (don't you love smart phones). I know people laugh at the term "superphone" but when you compare these phones to the iPhone or Blackberriers these phones are def more of a "superphone" than a smartphone. Apple is going to have their hands full this year and it will be very interesting to see how it plays out. I for one don't care what Apple does in June I would be stupid to jump off the Android band wagon we just have way to much going on.

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Do we know yet if the Evo 4G will have the Maxtouch touchscreen?
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Yep, Maxtouch!
http://androidandme.com/2010/04/news/htc-incredible-and-evo-4g-to-feature-new-maxtouch-sensors/

IMO even the EVO is only worth upgrading to if you need 720p recording or would value HDMI out. Personally, I would love to have HDMI (don't care for the HD recording all that much) but it still wouldn't justify ditching my N1. I'm not going to upgrade until the N1 ceases to run newer Android software effectively or significant processing upgrades are made (ie. Dual Core). Who knows I may change my mind but that's how I feel right now.

jasrups said:
IMO even the EVO is only worth upgrading to if you need 720p recording or would value HDMI out. Personally, I would love to have HDMI (don't care for the HD recording all that much) but it still wouldn't justify ditching my N1. I'm not going to upgrade until the N1 ceases to run newer Android software effectively or significant processing upgrades are made (ie. Dual Core). Who knows I may change my mind but that's how I feel right now.
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I'm with you. Most picky gadget dweebs tend to upgrade for the sake of having the latest and greatest even though it's only marginally better than the last "toy" they had. I upgrade my phone like I upgrade my PCs: it's only worth upgrading if the new stuff is at least 10 times more powerful than the last one. Which in most cases can take a few years of waiting. AND it's gotta cover what I "need". Most stuff that I "want" should be an included bonus, which the N1 covers quite well (A2DP, wifi tethering).

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IMO even the EVO is only worth upgrading to if you need 720p recording or would value HDMI out.
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Or you value a bigger screen.
Or 4G.
Or Sprint.
Or like the style/looks better.
And so on

The touch buttons on the Incredible seem to be actually on the button, unlike the Nexus. And the camera is amazing!

Droid X anyone else?

Anyone else thinking about switching over to it? Just got my incredible last Saturday so im considering switching over to it instead... Anyone else got any thoughts on it? Im for sure interested in the 720p capture (but cant DI be upgraded for that in the future?) we already have the tv out (without a cord yet) but will it be the same capabilities as DI can have, im not sure. My biggest things are the better processor (still worried about heat issues on it tho, perhaps unwarranted) and the 4.3 inch TFT 24 bit display (really concerned at how that looks over the AMOLED screens we have now on DI) I am currently only a week in with the DI and have had problems with the phones hardware so I can either get full refund or trade it in for the Droid X within the 30 days from store or trade in from VZW tech support (since i had problems and no other units are available to RMA mine with some problems they gave me extended upgradeability incase i had to get another phone until more are available) so im just tryin to pick pros and cons and so far i am loving the size and feel of the DI but I do have battery issues as well and a bigger battery on the X is a great feature.... the shape looks a little bulky on top which might be great but may feel bad as well.... anyone who has anything to add I would greatly apprecieate your input... im afraid until I can play with a X I may not know tho... the 3 microphones and the top and bottom antenna are really sweet 2... this phone sounds pretty sweet.
Some quick Specs.
1. Operating System: Android 2.1 w/ Motoblur
2. Processor: 1Ghz OMAP3430
3. On-board Storage: 8GB
4. Expandable Storage: 32GB, (16 GB included)
5. Total Storage: 40GB (24GB included)
6. Display Size: 4.3" Capacitive Touchscreen
7. Display Resolution: WGVA 854 x 480 pixels
8. Camera: 8 MP
9. Flash: Dual LED
10. Video Recording: 720p
11. Noise Cancelling: 3 Microphones
12. WiFi: yes
13. GPS: yes
14. Bluetooth: yes
15. HDMI: yes
Android 2.2 Froyo w/Flash 10.1 will be release later in the summer(around August) with an over-the-air update.

Heck no, HTC Forever!!

c-pimp said:
Anyone else thinking about switching over to it? Just got my incredible last Saturday so im considering switching over to it instead... Anyone else got any thoughts on it? Im for sure interested in the 720p capture (but cant DI be upgraded for that in the future?) we already have the tv out (without a cord yet) but will it be the same capabilities as DI can have, im not sure. My biggest things are the better processor (still worried about heat issues on it tho, perhaps unwarranted) and the 4.3 inch TFT 24 bit display (really concerned at how that looks over the AMOLED screens we have now on DI) I am currently only a week in with the DI and have had problems with the phones hardware so I can either get full refund or trade it in for the Droid X within the 30 days from store or trade in from VZW tech support (since i had problems and no other units are available to RMA mine with some problems they gave me extended upgradeability incase i had to get another phone until more are available) so im just tryin to pick pros and cons and so far i am loving the size and feel of the DI but I do have battery issues as well and a bigger battery on the X is a great feature.... the shape looks a little bulky on top which might be great but may feel bad as well.... anyone who has anything to add I would greatly apprecieate your input... im afraid until I can play with a X I may not know tho... the 3 microphones and the top and bottom antenna are really sweet 2... this phone sounds pretty sweet.
Some quick Specs.
1. Operating System: Android 2.1 w/ Motoblur
2. Processor: 1Ghz OMAP3430
3. On-board Storage: 8GB
4. Expandable Storage: 32GB, (16 GB included)
5. Total Storage: 40GB (24GB included)
6. Display Size: 4.3" Capacitive Touchscreen
7. Display Resolution: WGVA 854 x 480 pixels
8. Camera: 8 MP
9. Flash: Dual LED
10. Video Recording: 720p
11. Noise Cancelling: 3 Microphones
12. WiFi: yes
13. GPS: yes
14. Bluetooth: yes
15. HDMI: yes
Android 2.2 Froyo w/Flash 10.1 will be release later in the summer(around August) with an over-the-air update.
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I am wary and here is why:
Have you seen how hard they are pushing the Droid X? TV, website, e-mail ads, plus they are offering free upgrades, low price, wifi hotspot i mean it goes on and on.
Plus there is the rumor they want to phase out the Incredible
Well, this makes me think not only is Motorola paying Verizon beaucoup bucks to be their top Droid provider, but that this phone is going to be the droid phone that Verizon pushes on everyone cheaply and fast. Cheaply and fast usually mean bad news.
NOt to mention if u want the vids the damn thing is HUGE.. I like the incredibleness's sleek small design, i want LEss weight. Sure the doird X will be a real nice huge screened media player, but it is going to be one heck of a pocket weight. Plus what is that screen going to do to the battery?
I will be getting one because my brother is going to take the Incred or the X based on which one i DONT want, but as of now, the incredible is looking better, especially with SenseUI over MotoBlah (blur).

Side by side comparison here:
Except for the noise canceling & HDMI output I don't see too much that the X has on the Inc now that we have root and froyo is inevitable... It's a bigger phone and thus a bigger screen, but the weight factor alone is what does it for me- A buddy of mine has the Evo, and at 6 grams, its heafty. I don't know how he does it. I picked it up and it felt twice as heavy as the inc (I know it's not).. For a quick idea, pick up your incredible and put your mouse ontop of it, that's about how heavy the Evo feels. Do you really want that in your pocket?
Plus, with a bigger screen and more mass behind it- it's more susceptible to damage in a fall (of which I've already dropped my Inc a few times without issue). I'm still not sold on Motorola's quality- If I had the opportunity to try it out, I would- but I would never jump in without at least a test drive...

The only thing that makes me yearn, well two things actually.
1. I live in a hollar and the 3G signal is very weak. I have a Network Extender but the Incredible battery still dies pretty quick. I know there are tweaks but I shouldn't have to tweak the phone to get a reasonable amount time out of my battery. My wifes Droid (formerly mine) last a lot longer.
2. On a related note the Droid radio was much stronger then the Incredible. I drop calls once in awhile with the Incredible while I don't think I ever dropped one with the MotoDroid unless I made a call in my house and then drove away.
I know it's huge but I didn't mind the weight of the MotoDroid at all and liked the metal case.
We'll see I guess.

balaams_ass said:
The only thing that makes me yearn, well two things actually.
1. I live in a hollar and the 3G signal is very weak. I have a Network Extender but the Incredible battery still dies pretty quick. I know there are tweaks but I shouldn't have to tweak the phone to get a reasonable amount time out of my battery. My wifes Droid (formerly mine) last a lot longer.
2. On a related note the Droid radio was much stronger then the Incredible. I drop calls once in awhile with the Incredible while I don't think I ever dropped one with the MotoDroid unless I made a call in my house and then drove away.
I know it's huge but I didn't mind the weight of the MotoDroid at all and liked the metal case.
We'll see I guess.
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Motorola historically has a stronger radio and ALWAYS has pushed the to the edge of what the FCC allows the SAR limit to be. Meaning? When you have a Motorola device close to your body (head, hip, etc) you are exposing yourself to much greater risk of cancer. This alone is reason enough for me to steer clear of Motorola devices, and their cellular devision is in MY State!
HTC is the coolest devices made in my opinion. I wouldn't have any other device (so far).
Just my 2 cents.

2 bad we cant have the samoled screens until 2012..the galaxy boasts alot but i really love the feel of the dinc.....galaxy is anothdr runner up for me 2...guess we get specs real soon
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As far as your battery life on the incredible, try the one time charging method recommended by HTC. My battery life has been 30-50% better.
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BetaMan said:
Motorola historically has a stronger radio and ALWAYS has pushed the to the edge of what the FCC allows the SAR limit to be. Meaning? When you have a Motorola device close to your body (head, hip, etc) you are exposing yourself to much greater risk of cancer. This alone is reason enough for me to steer clear of Motorola devices, and their cellular devision is in MY State!
HTC is the coolest devices made in my opinion. I wouldn't have any other device (so far).
Just my 2 cents.
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It's a myth that cell phone radiation causes cancer. Not all radiations do. You have a higher chance of getting cancer from the bio toxins produced during stress by your body than RF radiation. The media tends to hype topics they know nothing about just for ratings. Look at the platic bottle myth. Fact is there are no dioxins in plyetholine bottles (bottled water bottles). Research has actually shown that cell phone radiation helps prevent and reverse the effects of alzheimer's. It just takes a little research to not fall into the flock.

I know what you mean
I too am considering switching from Inc to X. I was sold until I read about lag/artifact issues with Motoblur. The thing that I love most about the Inc is that it runs so flawlessly. My biggest reason I traded in my N1 for the Inc was that the N1's UI was flawed (yes I know it ran on stock Android), so the idea of taking a step backward in that regard is unappealing. However, I, for one, love the idea of having a bigger screen and SWYPE, which should make texting and data input a breeze. I know the processor on the X is made my TI, but I have found the Inc's Snapdragon to be awesome, so that's not a huge factor to me. Nor is the HDMI (although it would be nice if a TV out cord would come out for the Inc, despite not being HDMI). The Inc is rooted, the but process is such a PITA that I am not going to bother with it anymore until it is simplified (this is by far the thing I miss most about the N1). Basically, the X has some small advantages, but an inferior UI. So I guess I am back where i started--unsure of which device to go with.

I really wanted a moto because of the better cell reception but ended up getting an incredible yesterday. After having an evo for 20 days or so I got tired of trying to use the device one handed (it was do-able but not comfortable for me) and wanted something that felt more like my nexus.
(the x being bigger I couldn't imagine feeling comfortable with it)
Another thing that bothered me (XD OCD I swear) was the lack of color on the screen and I'm not sure about going back to lcd because of that. Though I know it could have been just the evo's screen in this case as I don't know the exact specs on the X.

I'm not a huge fan of the Inc's radio thus far, but I firmly believe we'll see an update soon that improves it greatly. It's a hallmark of HTC phones - first version, radio sucks. Second version, radio improves a bit but something else suffers (usually battery), third version is like the three little bears, juuuuuust right

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I too am considering switching from Inc to X. I was sold until I read about lag/artifact issues with Motoblur. The thing that I love most about the Inc is that it runs so flawlessly. My biggest reason I traded in my N1 for the Inc was that the N1's UI was flawed (yes I know it ran on stock Android), so the idea of taking a step backward in that regard is unappealing. However, I, for one, love the idea of having a bigger screen and SWYPE, which should make texting and data input a breeze. I know the processor on the X is made my TI, but I have found the Inc's Snapdragon to be awesome, so that's not a huge factor to me. Nor is the HDMI (although it would be nice if a TV out cord would come out for the Inc, despite not being HDMI). The Inc is rooted, the but process is such a PITA that I am not going to bother with it anymore until it is simplified (this is by far the thing I miss most about the N1). Basically, the X has some small advantages, but an inferior UI. So I guess I am back where i started--unsure of which device to go with.
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The test videos show there is not MotoBlur on, it is actually disabled by default. All the recent test videos show straight Android with Moto widgets, no blur overlay.

I'm keeping my Inc. I'll save a little cash and watch as the Dev's really unlock the power of this little beast. Plus I'm not keen on Motoblur. I guess I'm the only one who's wondering why the Droid 2 is launching only a few months behind the X... I'll just wait a few months and see.
Actually I'm hoping that the Droid X release prompts HTC to crank out some goodies for the Incredible like a multimedia station and car dock.
Where are you HTC?

Pretty sure im going to be keeping my dinc, i do like the thought of a big screen for media viewing but i am really not to keen on buying another phone from motorola. I had the droid and had nothing but problems. What i would really like is for htc come out with a 4" screen and nice slide out qwerty like on the touch pro 2.

ehh...
Im not spending 600 dollars on a phone that's slightly better than mine sorry. Nor am I going to waste my upgrade on a the x. The inc is basically a smaller evo without the hdmi and front facing cam. I just don't see any point in switching except bragging rights. I won't lie the x looks great but I can wait.. next year is going to be crazy..lte, more 4 inch devices, and front facing cams will probably standard maybe even two ghz devices.
And hello this phone came out two months ago its not outdated.

I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Motorola. They have made the best pure cell phones I've had (an old StarTAC analog and an e815). The radios were unparalleled, and voice quality was very good.
But the Inc is the best all-around personal computing/communication/information device I've ever owned, and it is not much bigger than those old Moto phones of yore. It's the same size as the Samsung Omnia I had previously, but has 4x the screen resolution, is a better pure phone, and has none of the lag and performance issues the Sammy had (even with custom ROMs and task managers).
It sounds (from the 2 reviews I've read) like the Droid X will continue Motorola's tradition of good phone performance. But its large size might put me off. Also, apparently the HDMI-out is not supported by most of the phone's apps. And you'll probably have to wait awhile for rooting, if you are into that sort of thing (I just rooted my Inc this evening).
I think either would be a great choice, especially if I didn't have to shell out more money for the Moto. It would probably come down to whichever one they could get me the quickest

I like my DI especially now that its rooted, but given the free chance to trade to the moto x I probably would. The droid x has a gpu, and a larger screen. Plus I like motorola, they havent had any inventory problems so the dev community would probably grow quickly. I would have to hold it in my hand to see if it was too big or not, but I think it would be nice to have the larger screen. It would use up a ton of battery but I would just buy a couple extra.
I dont think its worth an upgrade for full price but its a nice option. There will be phones with dual core chips and gpu's and whatever else all coming by the end of the year im sure. Ill wait a little bit more.

I don't really see any reason to pay another 500+ dollars for a phone that semi better than the inc. My new every 2 is up April of next year and i'm sure by then we'll have dual core CPU and maybe even 1 GB ram with a nice GPU only time can tell. Think i'm going to hold out on any new phones until next year sad to see iPhone 4 spank the inc but ill live.

No thanks. I'm very happy and have no desire for something larger. I AM looking forward to prospective updates, though.

for anybody thinking about jumping to the Droid X think again and my iphone 4 rant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knz4NbpcRUg
There is no phone on the market that can come close to the EVO. I hate when people say the EVO pinch to zoom is slower than the Iphone they never ever ever ever mention the great reason why. Its going to be a little slower Unlike the iphone it takes the text on the page and re-sizes the words so u can read them and it has flash player which takes longer to load and with all that its still only like 1/2 of a second behind. sorry that was my rant for today i guess the moral of the story is stop comparing anything to my mini laptop that's my name for the EVO lol

What ever dude. Feel better now about your purchase?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knz4NbpcRUg
There is no phone on the market that can come close to the EVO. I hate when people say the EVO pinch to zoom is slower than the Iphone they never ever ever ever mention the great reason why. Its going to be a little slower Unlike the iphone it takes the text on the page and re-sizes the words so u can read them and it has flash player which takes longer to load and with all that its still only like 1/2 of a second behind. sorry that was my rant for today i guess the moral of the story is stop comparing anything to my mini laptop that's my name for the EVO lol
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No offense, I love the Evo, but that was one of the worst video reviews I've ever seen. For one, he most likely has auto-fit to page turned off, as even my old Moto Droid did what the Evo does.
And he claims the Evo wins in the "screen" department because of the buttons on the bottom? Shouldn't that fall into the design aspect more?

Bottom line droids x haas superior hardware, minus a front facing camera.
Evo is more developer friendly. Apparently motorola is locking the phone down in a way that will make custom roms much more difficult and possibly impossible.
Verizon is also going to be capping data soon. I just got orb live working on my evo so I'm definitely going to need unlimited data
So if your into the rom scene use lots of data or want video chatting you might want to stuck with the evo for now.
Also that review was horrible and you using it to justify evo over droid makes your argument unsound

****tiest review ever.
Worse than Chris's on the HTC EVO 4g
Physical buttons ftw, I hit the EVO's buttons by accident all the time, pain in the ass.
The camera, I'm not so sure if he was bullshitting, engadget said it was better.
It has a way better graphics card.
And I hate how the EVO moves text around, I don't want it to. (In the web browser)
I am getting a Droid X eitherway. His review sucked. The EVO is great, but the weak gpu makes me limp. (Droid X's is way way way more powerful)

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****tiest review ever.
Worse than Chris's on the HTC EVO 4g
Physical buttons ftw, I hit the EVO's buttons by accident all the time, pain in the ass.
The camera, I'm not so sure if he was bullshitting, engadget said it was better.
It has a way better graphics card.
And I hate how the EVO moves text around, I don't want it to. (In the web browser)
I am getting a Droid X eitherway. His review sucked. The EVO is great, but the weak gpu makes me limp. (Droid X's is way way way more powerful)
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WOW so yall don't care if the buttons feel flimsy and the camera is horrible and the phone can't do something as simple as resize text again wow! Well good luck to u don't come crying back when those flimsy buttons start falling off lol.

Don't understand the hype on the Droid x. It really isn't THAT much better than the Evo, but it is better.
Sent from my HTC Evo 4g

OP...there's a number of features on the Droid X that make it 'better' than the Evo.
But here's the point:
It's OK man......
It's ok.
Our Evo is still good.
It's... ok.
Breathe.

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Don't understand the hype on the Droid x. It really isn't THAT much better than the Evo, but it is better.
Sent from my HTC Evo 4g
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That may be. But after reading numerous reviews and comparisons and coming from a HTC Hero->Blackberry Curve--> BB 8100--> Motorola E-815--> I couldn't be more pleased with ever aspect of my EVO. Especially the Simply Everything+$10 plan.

there's always the droidX froyo rom

Here is some good reading from a very informed person regarding this whole droidx vs evo specfest
http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g/105351-htc-releasing-firmware-update-30fps-cap-lets-more-proactive-2.html#post1016816
http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g/109920-our-beloved-evo-beats-droid-x-video.html#post1019942
His two main points are:
1. The Droid X does not have a separate GPU - its PowerVR SGX530 GPU is part of the SoC (system on chip) architecture.
The EVO does not lack a GPU - its AMD Z430 GPU is part of the SoC.
2. Benchmarks are irrelevent and inaccurate and most ppl don't even know what they measure (especially tech reviewers). Read his posts, they are a.good read.
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itmustbejj said:
Here is some good reading from a very informed person regarding this whole droidx vs evo specfest
http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g...ps-cap-lets-more-proactive-2.html#post1016816
http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g/109920-our-beloved-evo-beats-droid-x-video.html#post1019942
His two main points are:
1. The Droid X does not have a separate GPU - its PowerVR SGX530 GPU is part of the SoC (system on chip) architecture.
The EVO does not lack a GPU - its AMD Z430 GPU is part of the SoC.
2. Benchmarks are irrelevent and inaccurate and most ppl don't even know what they measure (especially tech reviewers). Read his posts, they are a.good read.
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Well, those were certainly interesting posts. Guy seems to know his stuff too.
On another point... Arguing hardware buttons vs soft buttons is pointless. Nobody can say which is "better". That's generally a preference. It doesn't matter at all to me. I'm not so clumsy that I constantly bump the soft buttons on my evo though and I also do not believe that all hardware buttons will break.

Personally since I've gotten my EVO I could give a flying f_._._ about any other device. Apple, Droid, BB whatever. People always want bragging rights to prove what they have is better than what someone else has and I don't care what anyone else has or what proof they have that their device is better than mine. The EVO does everything I need it to do, my data plan isn't restricted so I don't have to worry about getting my internet cut off when I really need it. My screen is HUGE so I can watch movies on the go. And I love love love text resizing, honestly to the guy that says he hates that??? Why? Why do you want to scroll the screen back and forth to read a webpage? That makes no sense to me, but whatever floats your boat I guess. Sorry OP's rant sparked mine off

jigglywiggly said:
****tiest review ever.
Worse than Chris's on the HTC EVO 4g
Physical buttons ftw, I hit the EVO's buttons by accident all the time, pain in the ass.
The camera, I'm not so sure if he was bullshitting, engadget said it was better.
It has a way better graphics card.
And I hate how the EVO moves text around, I don't want it to. (In the web browser)
I am getting a Droid X eitherway. His review sucked. The EVO is great, but the weak gpu makes me limp. (Droid X's is way way way more powerful)
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monkeefied said:
Personally since I've gotten my EVO I could give a flying f_._._ about any other device. Apple, Droid, BB whatever. People always want bragging rights to prove what they have is better than what someone else has and I don't care what anyone else has or what proof they have that their device is better than mine. The EVO does everything I need it to do, my data plan isn't restricted so I don't have to worry about getting my internet cut off when I really need it. My screen is HUGE so I can watch movies on the go. And I love love love text resizing, honestly to the guy that says he hates that??? Why? Why do you want to scroll the screen back and forth to read a webpage? That makes no sense to me, but whatever floats your boat I guess. Sorry OP's rant sparked mine off
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Agreed. No other device can touch the EVO in my opinion. There's just too much going for it on the whole that works for ME, at least. Everything you mentioned, the front facing camera, which I use quite often (despite people saying nobody would ever use it). 4G is fast and it's available (or will be soon) in both places that I have to live in (DC and San Francisco). The kickstand is priceless and the device is simply beautiful. And of course, Sprint is still the cheapest even with the $10 premium fee (Verizon is charging $30). The Droid X is definitely a good phone but it is still lacking some of the more appealing hardware specs of the EVO that I really like and Verizon's prices are killer. And personally, the Droid X isn't as handsome as I'd like.
At this point, most high end phones do generally the same thing. There's really not much difference between the EVO and the Droid X and the Galaxy S Series and the iPhone4. It all comes down to personal preference. In the long run, I believe the EVO will be the one with the biggest developer support as well. I'm glad Verizon customers have something to compete with. It only helps to increase Android's marketshare.

I thought about jumping to the Droid X but being stuck on EVDO when LTE is close to launching on Verizon, you're stuck with the Droid X for 2 years. I'm also assuming that when LTE does launch, Verizon will include caps similiar to ATT. Enjoy that. Not the best time to buy a Verizon phone. I will be happy with my Evo for 1 year if Sprint continues to release good Android phones., if not. I can switch in 2. No biggie.

Sorry OP's rant sparked mine off
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Now u see how i feel when stuff really grinds my gears

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yep weak.
same games that run smoothly on the moto droid run choppy on the evo. it's not b/c of the fps lock either, the evo never gets to 30fps on some of the games.

madsquabbles said:
yep weak.
same games that run smoothly on the moto droid run choppy on the evo. it's not b/c of the fps lock either, the evo never gets to 30fps on some of the games.
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I wouldn't say its the GPUs doing on the Evo's part.

[Q] Pros and Cons of N1 to G2: A worthwhile upgrade?

I know the two devices' internals are extremely similar, but I'm strongly considering getting the G2 anyway. I'm just having a hard time fully commiting to justifying the purchase even though I really, really want it, haha.
What do you think? Are the pros and cons for this upgrade a worthwhile endeavor?
Here's what I'm thinking so far:
Pros:
The Adreno 205 GPU, supposedly 4 to 5 times more powerful than the N1's: http://gizmodo.com/5633855/g2s-benchmarks-show-that-despite-processor-speed-it-should-be-fast
Flash Hardware Acceleration, which apparently the N1 cannot do (wtf? really?) (see "Adreno 205 features": http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...t-compare-to-other-gpus/page__pid__65#entry65 )
Lower clock speed CPU (800 MHz) vs the N1's 1 GHz, yet the same performance (or better). This, along with the last point = possibly better battery life?
Better multitouch panel (no axes flipping). Would be good for those multitouch games, which I've mostly avoided with the N1
No screen miscalibration issues (having to turn screen off to fix)
Optical trackpad rather than trackball = longer life / won't get dirty / break.
[Edit 9/29]:
HSDPA+!!! For faster 3G, or "4G" even!
Much more internal space for apps etc (4GB on the G2 vs 512MB on the N1)
(Hopefully) the soft button weirdness is fixed (ie the pressure points on the N1's soft buttons aren't directly on the button labels)
Wifi Calling Possibly? http://phandroid.com/2010/09/27/t-mobile-g2-to-feature-wi-fi-calling-but-no-tethering/
Cons:
Slower Google Updates since the N1 will still be the developer phone and the T-Mobile G2 won't be
The G2 will be a bulkier and heavier device
Optical trackpad = no trackball notifications [Edit 9/30]: --> www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCUrxJg_TwQ !!!!!!!
Cost / inconvenience of switching devices (my contract ends in March 2011 so I'd buy off-contact and re-sell my N1 to cover the cost)
Small screen; I'd really like a 4" screen, preferably a Super AMOLED. Sticking with 3.7" is a downer. And there's always some better device on the nearby horizon. However, one with Stock Android is going to be rare, is it not?
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No FM Radio, HDMI-Out, or Front-Facing Camera (not that the N1 has these, but surely other phones coming out a month or two after the G2 might)
And then there's the keyboard, which at this point I consider neither a positive nor a negative. I've grown accustomed to an on-screen keyboard (Swype) on my N1, and I'm not really that heavy of a texter anyway. So it could be amazing to have a physical keyboard again (I had the G1 previously), or I might ignore it and hate the added weight/bulk.
What do you think? Is this a worthwhile upgrade? Any other pros or cons that I'm missing?

i want one, but to justify it like u said is hard. The N1 is still IMO one of the top phones out even after all these other phones. I will keep mine for some time. Since I never upgraded with my N1 I will buy my wife the G2 since shes coming from the Cliq. They just got 2.1. She will enjoy the bigger screen, flash for the cam, and flash/ 2.2 and she has to have a keyboard.
Will there be a N2 or a phone the google will call there N1 in the future? Thats what I wait for. There is no way Im selling my N1 either

N1 to Vibrant or G2 or what?
I had the misfortune of having my N1 "go away" (don't ask) and I ended up going for a Vibrant as the "next best thing" -- but have since been feeling left out of the Android game (I'm an Android developer, as well) and have been looking at the G2 with some interest.
I've pretty much decided to wait. The N1 is still the phone of choise for developers, ROM cookers, and modders. Part of it is because it's great hardware, but I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's the closest thing to the Android code base. It will always get the first updates, it will always get a more stable platform, and it's pretty much the phone that Android itself is coded for/on. Every google employee has one (or at least had one at one point), including the google devs. And I think it will be that way until google either launches another phone, or has an intimate connection to a specific phone (maybe even on a specific carrier.) That's the phone I'm waiting for. And hopefully my Vibrant will catch up a bit with the custom ROMs and I can go back to "pure" stock Android. Not into my Android looking so much like iOS.
The N1 and the G2 are great phones, and I think they'll be at the top of the pile for a while longer, but they won't be forever. And I'm just waiting to see where the next next generation phone shows up.
Just sharing my thoughts, not really looking for debate on my points.

My biggie would have to be INTERNAL SPACE. This is a major flaw in the nexus. I can't even install sense like roms along with my necessary apps because of this.

fnirt said:
I had the misfortune of having my N1 "go away" (don't ask) and I ended up going for a Vibrant as the "next best thing" -- but have since been feeling left out of the Android game (I'm an Android developer, as well) and have been looking at the G2 with some interest.
I've pretty much decided to wait. The N1 is still the phone of choise for developers, ROM cookers, and modders. Part of it is because it's great hardware, but I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's the closest thing to the Android code base. It will always get the first updates, it will always get a more stable platform, and it's pretty much the phone that Android itself is coded for/on. Every google employee has one (or at least had one at one point), including the google devs. And I think it will be that way until google either launches another phone, or has an intimate connection to a specific phone (maybe even on a specific carrier.) That's the phone I'm waiting for. And hopefully my Vibrant will catch up a bit with the custom ROMs and I can go back to "pure" stock Android. Not into my Android looking so much like iOS.
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If you're a developer, wouldn't it make more sense to stick with N1 instead of the Galaxy? Even with Gingerbread/3.0 coming out soon (read: Nov/Dec) the N1 is still pure Android supposedly be able to run 3.0 as well.
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My biggie would have to be INTERNAL SPACE. This is a major flaw in the nexus. I can't even install sense like roms along with my necessary apps because of this.
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How many necessary apps do you require? I was able to install the Sense ROM from these forums without issues.

One in particular is a space hog for corporate email "Good for Enterprise" takes up well over 35mb on a slow day and it contains widgets so i cant move it to SD.
Did you go through all HTC apps and move them to SD card?
Either way to most internal space i have even now on cm6 is 30mb, internal space on the nexus is horrible.

@fnirt: Yeah you're right; I forgot to mention that the N1 will probably have more support from XDA etc than the G2. Although... Cyanogen, THE man himself, is actually purchasing a G2... So who knows, maybe the G2 will gain just as much support from the community as the N1?
@gkaugustine: Ah yes, I didn't even consider internal space. The N1 has 512 MB of space for apps while the G2 has 4 GB? Wow, good jump. Although I can't say I have trouble with this since I use the Apps2SD feature of CyanogenMod6 to move all my large apps.

Oh yeah! HSDPA+!!

Well, I didn't even think about this until you mentioned it...no trackball alerts?
There better be some blinking (and I mean every 2 seconds, not the idiotic one every 15 seconds we had at the launch of the nexus) led notification.
Otherwise it's a dealbreaker for me.
But if they're right about flash being hardware accelerated...I'm intrigued, for the first time. (I don't care about gaming because the only time I find myself having TIME to game, I'm already home and my PS3 with Wipeout HD are right there).
Honeslty Paul I wouldn't upgrade until you know that there are no GPS issues like the galaxy phones and other issues which may not be apparent until later.
IMO, the Nexus One is still the most complete package of a phone.

Yep, no trackball alerts. Though I think the trackball as we know it will soon be phased out of all phones forever (in favor of trackpads), so you can pretty much kiss that feature goodbye. In addition to trackballs getting dirty and eventually trackball failure, it's probably cheaper in the long run for the manufacturer due to less support and fewer phone replacements.
Honeslty Paul I wouldn't upgrade until you know that there are no GPS issues like the galaxy phones and other issues which may not be apparent until later.
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Yeah, I'm definitely not going to pre-order the G2. I want to at least play with it in store (unlike I did with the N1, though that was a HUGE jump from the G1, so it didn't matter as much).
Also, because my upgrade date is 6 months away, I actually can't pre-order haha.

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Yep, no trackball alerts. Though I think the trackball as we know it will soon be phased out of all phones forever (in favor of trackpads), so you can pretty much kiss that feature goodbye. In addition to trackballs getting dirty and eventually trackball failure, it's probably cheaper in the long run for the manufacturer due to less support and fewer phone replacements.
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I realize that, and I am already starting to worry about my Nexus's trackball becoming dirty/sticky and I have no idea how I'm gonna replace it. I'm all for trackpads, but having no dedicated LED light like on the iPhone or the Galaxy S phones is totally a dealbreaker for me. I don't want to have to grab my phone to know I have a message. Do you know if the G2 will have one?
But I like the idea, IF true, that it will hardware accelerate Flash, because more and more sites are starting to have higher quality videos which get choppy on the Nexus, and that's unfortunate, since one of my regular bashing points on the iPhone is the lack of flash.

Does anyone have the internal spec sheet on the G2? im interested to know where the radio antenna is installed.

I love my trackball... especially when I had my sidekick 3 and it had trackball notifications. Awesome and convinient.
I would hold off... I have a full upgrade with tmobile and I'm holding off for a bigger screen, front facing camera, and other gingerbread goodies to come next year.

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I realize that, and I am already starting to worry about my Nexus's trackball becoming dirty/sticky and I have no idea how I'm gonna replace it. I'm all for trackpads, but having no dedicated LED light like on the iPhone or the Galaxy S phones is totally a dealbreaker for me. I don't want to have to grab my phone to know I have a message. Do you know if the G2 will have one?
But I like the idea, IF true, that it will hardware accelerate Flash, because more and more sites are starting to have higher quality videos which get choppy on the Nexus, and that's unfortunate, since one of my regular bashing points on the iPhone is the lack of flash.
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I'm sure that at the very least it has a charging light, that can be hacked. I've also heard for other phones of people looking into hacking one of the 4 soft buttons, so that the backlight on one of them acts in a similar manner to our trackball notification.
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I love my trackball... especially when I had my sidekick 3 and it had trackball notifications. Awesome and convinient.
I would hold off... I have a full upgrade with tmobile and I'm holding off for a bigger screen, front facing camera, and other gingerbread goodies to come next year.
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Ah yes, I forgot about the front-facing camera feature. Buying a new phone without it makes me pause... Though to be honest I would never, ever use it, but it's just a point so that iphoners can't brag about it to me.

Trackball alerts are great, but a poor alternative may be the Blinker app. It uses the charging LED for notifications, so you only have a few options (orange, green, blue), but with rate combinations...
I'm thinking about a new phone for my wife, and there's not many Androids with keyboards.
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Just a heads up. There is a led notification at the top right of the phone that Does appear to blink. Also, a lot of people are saying the ring around the trackpad lights up. So we'll see.
I just sold my N1 for $400 and pre-ordered the G2.
What sealed the deal for me:
4GB internal memory
720p recording - I know the N1 has it hacked, but it was always slow for me.
Dedicated GPU
Flash Acceleration
No multi-touch/screen positioning issues - This was a big one for me
HSPA+
Keyboard - I text a lot :\
What I'll miss:
Fast updates
Crazy dev support
Beautiful styling
Noise-canceling
AMOLED display - G2 uses STFT.

Paul22000 said:
I'm just having a hard time fully commiting to justifying the purchase even though I really, really want it, haha.
What do you think? Are the pros and cons for this upgrade a worthwhile endeavor?
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I really hope we don't lose you Paul since your one of my favorite guys here on Xda. I've thought about getting the G2 before as well but it just isn't a big enough upgrade for me to justify it.
I would def wait for something better. You just KNOW something will come in the next 2 months.

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Yep, no trackball alerts. Though I think the trackball as we know it will soon be phased out of all phones forever (in favor of trackpads), so you can pretty much kiss that feature goodbye. In addition to trackballs getting dirty and eventually trackball failure, it's probably cheaper in the long run for the manufacturer due to less support and fewer phone replacements.
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They could, and should think about doing a light halo around the trackpad like around the button on the touch pro... (obviously it should be a RGB one, not just plain white leds)
Even better let it have segments (like an xbox...)
HTC... gimme a job!

Oh yeah, I also forgot the soft button weirdness on the N1. I've always found that it works better to tap above the white labels than directly on them. Hopefully the G2 has this fixed.
Trackball alerts are great, but a poor alternative may be the Blinker app. It uses the charging LED for notifications, so you only have a few options (orange, green, blue), but with rate combinations...
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Where do you get the Blinker app?
http://www.appbrain.com/search?q=blinker -- No "Blinker" app exists?
I just sold my N1 for $400 and pre-ordered the G2.
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Just a random question: what are you using in the meantime? I'd be without an Android phone.
What I'll miss:
Beautiful styling
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Well, take a look at the G2's back and wow-wow-wow. That brushed aluminum is downright beautiful. Picture here: http://www.engadget.com/photos/t-mobile-g2-preview-hands-on/#3410970
ap3604 said:
I really hope we don't lose you Paul since your one of my favorite guys here on Xda. I've thought about getting the G2 before as well but it just isn't a big enough upgrade for me to justify it.
I would def wait for something better. You just KNOW something will come in the next 2 months.
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Ah, thanks
There definitely will be better devices around the corner, which is what kills me. However, how many of them will have Stock Android *and* get the massive community support that the G2 will get (especially since Cyanogen is literally purchasing one himself)?

Blinker:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=744138
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Honest opinion ....

Is the evo better than the droid x??? Im paying way to much at verizon
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In my humble opinion, other than the fact it says "sprint" on it, yes it is. HTC is so much better. I LOVE my X but would trade it for an EVO on verizon in a heartbeat. (i know, not possible) so as of now i'm waiting on the Thunderbolt...

I just made a move from Sprint to Verizon. The reason I switched is because Sprint had billed my wife and I for 5 months on a phone that was canceled. We called every month to tell them it was canceled, but it was never fixed. Overall Sprint was decent, but Verizon has more coverage in our area.
I can't speak for the Evo though, I moved from a HTC Hero to my Droid X, which is a huge upgrade.

Thanks
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I'm not trying to take nothing away from the Evo but, this my opinion how the phones stack against each other.
In the way of quality, I would say neck and neck. The DX is although a solid piece of hardware not to mention newer. 4G is not accessible everywhere and some of the people I talked to whom own an Evo, don't even get 4G 1/3 of the time; o-wait, let's not forget you have to pay a $10 4G fee. The hardware is older then the DX on the Evo, and no, not by much, but enough to cause a difference of negative FPS in benchmarks when the processors are kept at stock speeds. Why would slower technology be better then newer and faster technology? Oh wait...because it has a kickstand please. If I want to watch a movie, I will do it on a proper TV. Droid X has the gorilla glass LCD display, never a scratch on my screen and I went months before picking up an Otter Box Defender. I have noticed on the Evo, when looking at through the bottom of the screen, I can see several back lights illuminating the screen, exactly like the Droid 1, but not on the Droid X. Motorolla didn’t miss this. The Evo has a lot more development in the way of ROMs, themes, etc...but the DX has some as well. Doesn't matter, 98% of people with an Evo or Droid X have no idea what a theme or custom icon APK file is let alone a custom ROM. HDMI out? While I am more likely not going to use it, I would use my HDMI out before I used a kickstand lol. Three microphones on the DX, recorded video's audio sounds amazing when played back. Motorolla really left no stone unturned when it comes to quality with the DX. Sure it has a locked bootloader, but that’s another topic and one that really has no relevance. The DX is thinner and more attractive phone in my opinion as well. The lines and candy bar like styling is what gets me.
It just depends on what you plan on using your phone for. Both phones offer unique features but for me and anyone I would recommend a phone to, a Droid X has the edge over an Evo.
Sadly, technology becomes a thing of the past every six months, the Atrix is where it's at in the way of super smart phones, soon to be followed by all the other Dual Core phones. The Droid X or Evo is more then enough phone for today’s mobile phone needs, it’s just up to you if you need the latest and greatest.
Droid X for the win

Ben's said:
I'm not trying to take nothing away from the Evo but, this my opinion how the phones stack against each other.
In the way of quality, I would say neck and neck. The DX is although a solid piece of hardware not to mention newer. 4G is not accessible everywhere and some of the people I talked to whom own an Evo, don't even get 4G 1/3 of the time; o-wait, let's not forget you have to pay a $10 4G fee. The hardware is older then the DX on the Evo, and no, not by much, but enough to cause a difference of negative FPS in benchmarks when the processors are kept at stock speeds. Why would slower technology be better then newer and faster technology? Oh wait...because it has a kickstand please. If I want to watch a movie, I will do it on a proper TV. Droid X has the gorilla glass LCD display, never a scratch on my screen and I went months before picking up an Otter Box Defender. I have noticed on the Evo, when looking at through the bottom of the screen, I can see several back lights illuminating the screen, exactly like the Droid 1, but not on the Droid X. Motorolla didn’t miss this. The Evo has a lot more development in the way of ROMs, themes, etc...but the DX has some as well. Doesn't matter, 98% of people with and Evo or Droid X have no idea what a theme or custom icon APK file is let alone a custom ROM. HDMI out? While I am more likely not going to use it, I would use my HDMI out before I used a kickstand lol. Three microphones on the DX, recorded video's audio sounds amazing when played back. Motorolla really left no stone unturned when it comes to quality with the DX. Sure it has a locked bootloader, but that’s another topic and one that really has no relevance. The DX is thinner and more attractive phone in my opinion as well. The lines and candy bar like styling is what gets me.
It just depends on what you plan on using your phone for. Both phones offer unique features but I for me and anyone I would recommend a phone to, a Droid X has the edge over an Evo.
Sadly, technology becomes a thing of the past every six months, the Atrix is where it's at in the way of super smart phones, soon to be followed by all the other Dual Core phones. The Droid X or Evo is more then enough phone for today’s mobile phone needs, it’s just up to you if you need the latest and greatest.
Droid X for the win
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100% agreed.
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While I agree with a lot of Ben's comments, I still look at it in the way of development especially looking on these forums. The Evo is way ahead in that area. The ease of customization is also much better than our X. I don't know exactly what the major differences are on this topic, but they say the screen size on the Evo is considered perfect, while the X's screen format is a little odd... Also, you say our video is better, BUT the Evo's camera seems to be better than the X. My friend had one and we were taking pics around a campfire one night and his flash was twice as bright. looked like a nice digital camera, whereas mine looked dark still... I hate to defend it cause i LOVE my X but HTC nails it. And moto is gonna keep the bootloader locked on this and future phones so like I said, when the thunderbolt comes out, i'll probably jump ship... (may jump back to the bionic though if they change their mind about the bootloader!)

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While I agree with a lot of Ben's comments, I still look at it in the way of development especially looking on these forums. The Evo is way ahead in that area. The ease of customization is also much better than our X. I don't know exactly what the major differences are on this topic, but they say the screen size on the Evo is considered perfect, while the X's screen format is a little odd... Also, you say our video is better, BUT the Evo's camera seems to be better than the X. My friend had one and we were taking pics around a campfire one night and his flash was twice as bright. looked like a nice digital camera, whereas mine looked dark still... I hate to defend it cause i LOVE my X but HTC nails it. And moto is gonna keep the bootloader locked on this and future phones so like I said, when the thunderbolt comes out, i'll probably jump ship... (may jump back to the bionic though if they change their mind about the bootloader!)
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The DX's camera at night is like that of a WalMart keychain camera. I don't know what makes the " go into s*** mode " when it's dark out but, during the day is a different story. 4.3 is 4.3 as far as the screen goes. I think the fact that the DX is bigger around it's screen area is what your trying to get at.
The DX still wins lol

so any of you think that you will switch to the thunderbolt?

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so any of you think that you will switch to the thunderbolt?
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Me personally, probably not unless, I get a great deal on one. There just isn't something my Droid X can't do that a Bionic can. If I had anything older then my Droid X I would upgrade no problem but for me, I think I will wait until the next wave of new phones come out 6 months from now. Now by that time, there should be something that would really spark interest other then an additional processor on a phone. My DX is still plenty fast, the development support for the phone is there and if I really need to, I can set my processor to run at 1.3Ghz which would keep up with a Bionic just fine.
Unless apps, games etc. are made to utilize the Dual Core capabilities, there just isn't any pros to spend money for no reason on " future proof " technology. Give it some time and let's see what comes from having new hardware, then I will jump ship
Edit: Not only was I right, wait until Tegra 3 Kal-El comes out at the end of the year! Quad Core in phones! Now THAT is the news I was waiting for. Everyone who is jumping on the Dual Core train now is going to wish they would have waited

Ben's said:
Me personally, probably not unless, I get a great deal on one. There just isn't something my Droid X can't do that a Bionic can. If I had anything older then my Droid X I would upgrade no problem but for me, I think I will wait until the next wave of new phones come out 6 months from now. Now by that time, there should be something that would really spark interest other then an additional processor on a phone. My DX is still plenty fast, the development support for the phone is there and if I really need to, I can set my processor to run at 1.3Ghz which would keep up with a Bionic just fine.
Unless apps, games etc. are made to utilize the Dual Core capabilities, there just isn't any pros to spend money for no reason on " future proof " technology. Give it some time and let's see what comes from having new hardware, then I will jump ship
Edit: Not only was I right, wait until Tegra 3 Kal-El comes out at the end of the year! Quad Core in phones! Now THAT is the news I was waiting for. Everyone who is jumping on the Dual Core train now is going to wish they would have waited
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well i don't have an update till next january. so i'm glad for that!

Interesting camera observation, as the physical camera sensor is identical on the X and the Evo...
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