So I have to ask... why keep the phone right now? Its obviously really sluggish at most anything it does in regards to the UI. Arent there more 2.3 dual core phone options coming out in the next month or so? Why wait until fall to enjoy your phones dual core power? 2.2 doesnt support it, so shipping it with that is borderline BS if you ask me.
Not to mention AT&T limited the data speeds on it is grounds for a class action.
Seeing that there is a GRHxx build from.atrix dev phones floating around the atrix dev forum, im going to assume that Gingerbread is going to make its way over to the atrix. When? No one knows. But it will and if id have to guess, id say mid year.
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Where'd you get the idea that 2.2 doesn't support multiple cores?
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Where'd you get the idea that 2.2 doesn't support multiple cores?
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Because of the wealth of people who offer answers and have no clue what they're talking about.
The kernel on the Atrix supports multiple cores. Here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11586435&postcount=9
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Where'd you get the idea that 2.2 doesn't support multiple cores?
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The amount of misinformation on the atrix is completely insane. Stuff like not using all of the ram, and people thinking one of the cores is useless until 2.3.
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The amount of misinformation on the atrix is completely insane. Stuff like not using all of the ram, and people thinking one of the cores is useless until 2.3.
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That's actually good to know.
I had no idea about the core usage, but then again, the Atrix is my first Android phone...hell, it's my first smartphone, so it's been running great thus far.
I am curious about the RAM now though.
they're just jealous.
Well, it is AT&T we're talking about. But the Atrix is a flagship phone, so it could go either way. The fact that it didn't ship with Gingerbread is a bit disheartening, though. Here's hoping we see it before Ice Cream.
You wont taste icecream gingerbread mabey icecream Atrix 2 understand marketing.
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You wont taste icecream gingerbread mabey icecream Atrix 2 understand marketing.
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Says the guy who thinks a gyroscope is an important part of phone performance..... Seriously.... i've you have absolutely NOTHING good to say about the Atrix, don't own one, and apparently don't give a crap about it.... why keep trolling the Atrix forums? Besides.... what are the chances that your beloved Nexus S will see the light of Ice Cream? Probably just as likely as the Atrix, or even less so seeing as your Nexus S has half the memory and only a single core processor.
As for the OP.... i'm not sure where you're getting that it's "sluggish at most anything it does in regards to the UI". Even WITH MotoBlur, it's very responsive, and even moreso when using LauncherPro.
And I have yet to see you form a complete and puncuated sentence in all of your rant about gyroscopes and pretty much anything about the Atrix....
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Dude give it up you make a ass hole look good right now #Smh
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Keep it classy.
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they're just jealous.
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I doubt it has much to do with jealousy. I'm reminded of Agent K's (Tommy Lee Jones) quote from Men in Black:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119654/quotes said:
Edwards: Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it.
Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.
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The amount of misinformation on the atrix is completely insane. Stuff like not using all of the ram, and people thinking one of the cores is useless until 2.3.
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Actually, a lot of the people think that one of the cores is useless until 2.4. Though, to be fair, 2.4 will supposedly use the Tegra 2 MUCH better than 2.3.
According to that article that examined Froyo update times, Motorola was the fastest on average getting a Froyo update to market among manufacturers, and AT&T was the slowest among carriers, so between the two, I suspect we'll see Gingerbread in no worse a timeframe than average, hopefully better.
I'm almost positive HTC beat motorola in terms of OS updates.
Phones going back for a few main reasons:
No HSUPA support. Ridiculous.
Cant produce the color YELLOW... which is simply unacceptable.
Dock limited in resolution so it looks like crap on my LCD monitor.
UI is sluggish, very sluggish. It cant even handle the beautiful widgets animation or the animated gingerbread docks.
Guess ill wait for the Galaxy S 2.
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Phones going back for a few main reasons:
No HSUPA support. Ridiculous.
Cant produce the color YELLOW... which is simply unacceptable.
Dock limited in resolution so it looks like crap on my LCD monitor.
UI is sluggish, very sluggish. It cant even handle the beautiful widgets animation or the animated gingerbread docks.
Guess ill wait for the Galaxy S 2.
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Wow yours can't? I'm running a lot of programs in the background, streaming HD video from YouTube, and countless other things and I get no lag whatsoever.
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psufan5 said:
Phones going back for a few main reasons:
No HSUPA support. Ridiculous.
Cant produce the color YELLOW... which is simply unacceptable.
Dock limited in resolution so it looks like crap on my LCD monitor.
UI is sluggish, very sluggish. It cant even handle the beautiful widgets animation or the animated gingerbread docks.
Guess ill wait for the Galaxy S 2.
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I don't have my atrix yet, but from what I've read so far, coupled with common sense, I'd say:
- HSUPA is only supported for iPhone on AT&T. It is a network issue, not a phone issue.
- I am pretty sure it can. Maybe not the exact hue of yellow that you would like, but I would be very surprised otherwise.
- Isn't the dock putting out in HD or qHD? Should be good enough... also, check your settings.
- As mentioned many times across this forum, the UI seems to be quite fast. As you'd expect from a dual core 1GHz processor with kick-ass mobile GPU. It is possible, though, that some apps/widgets are not 100% compatible with it.
Just my $0.02
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I don't have my atrix yet, but from what I've read so far, coupled with common sense, I'd say:
- HSUPA is only supported for iPhone on AT&T. It is a network issue, not a phone issue.
- I am pretty sure it can. Maybe not the exact hue of yellow that you would like, but I would be very surprised otherwise.
- Isn't the dock putting out in HD or qHD? Should be good enough... also, check your settings.
- As mentioned many times across this forum, the UI seems to be quite fast. As you'd expect from a dual core 1GHz processor with kick-ass mobile GPU. It is possible, though, that some apps/widgets are not 100% compatible with it. Run the quadrant 2D benchmark. You will get around 14fps which in turn, is the fps you will get on your UI. captivate for me gets 24ish.
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HSUPA is a modem issue - if we could hack the boot loader, we could fix it... buuuuuuttt we cant.
The phone cant do yellow, it does brown. Go to wikipedia and scroll down to the actual color of html yellow. Put it next to another phone. Its Gold, not yellow. Might not seem like much but when you put all the other colors in the mix... most of them are way off.
The UI is anything BUT fast. I guess coming from a rom'd captivate I am spoiled. Imagine a phone running live wallpaper without getting choppy. This phone cant do it. It cant even handle beautiful widgets animation when it rains. You are pretty bias about it really, but thats ok. Thats why its the atrix board. Im a dose of reality
So..... again, how exactly do you know that the much-to-be-pointless animated weather widget isn't being choppy on the Atrix due to a software issue regarding the widget itself? You seriously need an animation to tell you it's raining?
I'm also fairly certain i've read in another thread that it is NOT an issue with the phone itself that HSUPA is not working... that someone i believe at AT&T mentioned it is so far only working with the iPhone on THEIR end, and that it should be fixed sometime soon.
And i have no idea what monitor you are using.... not that it matters, but i don't even have the dock... just plugged the phone into our 1080p HDTV using the supplied Micro-HDMI cable (or whichever it is.... mini... micro.... never can tell anymore, really).... and it looks just fine.... and playing a standard definition video (624x352 to be exact. Possibly less-than-standard definition) which looked not really any different than if i were playing it on my computer. I haven't tried hooking it up directly to my monitor since i don't really feel like disconnecting my PS3 right now.... but if i had to guess, if you're talking about an actual PC monitor.... have you ever thought that maybe something with the monitor scaling itself is causing it to not look the way it should?
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So far i tested Raging Thunder 2 and Dungeon Hunter.
Both are running a little choppy on the EVO while they are smooth as butter on the N1. Not horribly laggy but the you can clearly see the difference.
I tried to disable Sense and any live wallpaper, but still the results are the same.
I hope this is a software issue which is going to be fixed prior to release.
ewwwww, I really hope your right.
You hope i am right or wrong? lol.
Less complex games are running just fine on both devices. It is the more graphically complex games that are slightly choppy on the EVO.
does the Nexus have 2.2?
this is to be semi expected since the EVO has senseUI.
Check out this video. At the start you can see the apps list scrolling is a bit choppy on the EVO, then in Linpack the score is only about 5.8. My HTC Incredible gets a score of 6.8 normally.
Finally in the 3d benchmark it is the slowest. Even lower than a Motorola Droid! What is going on here, is something making the EVO slower than equal spec'd phones?(N1, Incredible)
the Nexus has 2.2, so it's bound to be faster. the Droid has stock 2.1, so it's not working as hard to run senseUI.
looks about right to me.
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the Nexus has 2.2, so it's bound to be faster. the Droid has stock 2.1, so it's not working as hard to run senseUI.
looks about right to me.
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wondering why the incredible is scoring higher though (Post above yours)
unless its just a problem with the prelaunch software on it?
Honestly, if the evo is going to not perform better then the droid that could very well kill it for me, if i'm going to upgrade i'm going to upgrade to the best, not the second best.
I'm really hoping these devices tested are running a version of Eclair that hasn't been optimized yet. I mean, there's absolutely no way HTC could downgrade their flagship device compared to the Nexus One and Droid. I'll be ridiculously disappointed if these speed tests are accurate representations of the final Evo release.
You're splitting hairs regarding 3D performance. JIT this the main benchmark you should care about now. Next on Google's plate is optimizing 3D performance.
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Check out this video. At the start you can see the apps list scrolling is a bit choppy on the EVO, then in Linpack the score is only about 5.8. My HTC Incredible gets a score of 6.8 normally.
Finally in the 3d benchmark it is the slowest. Even lower than a Motorola Droid! What is going on here, is something making the EVO slower than equal spec'd phones?(N1, Incredible)
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well so much for getting this day 0
*holds money in hand anxiously*
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Honestly, if the evo is going to not perform better then the droid that could very well kill it for me, if i'm going to upgrade i'm going to upgrade to the best, not the second best.
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Jesus christ, all of you guys are whiny babies, go cry about how there is a 1 FPS DIFFERENCE somewhere else. I'm fairly certain this is a god damn software issue that can be fixed, especially with 2.2. I find it so silly to see people say things like this are going to kill getting the evo for them, like i said, go cry about how everything in this phone is TOP OF THE LINE except 1 feature, you can't have a god damn perfect phone whiny babies.
And by the way, i kept myself from using another b word instead of babies to keep myself from getting banned .
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Jesus christ, all of you guys are whiny babies, go cry about how there is a 1 FPS DIFFERENCE somewhere else. I'm fairly certain this is a god damn software issue that can be fixed, especially with 2.2. I find it so silly to see people say things like this are going to kill getting the evo for them, like i said, go cry about how everything in this phone is TOP OF THE LINE except 1 feature, you can't have a god damn perfect phone whiny babies.
And by the way, i kept myself from using another b word instead of babies to keep myself from getting banned .
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I agree. I guess I'm not as big of a "phone geek" as others appear to be. I'm gonna be using my Evo for (of course) making/receiving calls, internet, some music, and social networking. I have an iPod touch and Nintendo DSi for gaming. I don't need to be wasting what little battery power I have on senseless games. I can't believe something that minute would stop someone from getting a phone. If you want a gaming system invest in a PSP or Nintendo DS.
WOW ok did you forget to take your medication today? I didn't read that anyone was crying they were merely stating what they have seen. Don't be such a fan boy.
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Jesus christ, all of you guys are whiny babies, go cry about how there is a 1 FPS DIFFERENCE somewhere else. I'm fairly certain this is a god damn software issue that can be fixed, especially with 2.2. I find it so silly to see people say things like this are going to kill getting the evo for them, like i said, go cry about how everything in this phone is TOP OF THE LINE except 1 feature, you can't have a god damn perfect phone whiny babies.
And by the way, i kept myself from using another b word instead of babies to keep myself from getting banned .
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WOW ok did you forget to take your medication today? I didn't read that anyone was crying they were merely stating what they have seen. Don't be such a fan boy.
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Actually, yes, i did, but my hangover medication is beside the point. If you weren't so obtuse, you would know that crying is a way to say complaining, especially over something so silly like this. Lastly, fanboy? Really? I respect all phones, although i love android phones, i'm very fair to others. I love the iphone and always will(a bit bored of the OS, still love it though), really love webos and the pre(though i suck at using it), and i personally love the nexus one. I am far from a fanboy, I just realize that the EVO is easily the best phone on the market right now, and to say it isn't would be ignorant, and to not buy it because it scored slightly, SLIGHTLY lower on a test, which is very likely a software problem, is something a crybaby complains about.
agreed with above. Crying in a thread is not going to help anything. Instead try and figure out WHY it is 1fps lower.
I find it so funny the flip-floppers based on a few small reports. Let's see the Incredible needs to have its optical mouse calibrated, it's Battery Meter updated so that it won't require the charge, turn off, turn on, charge again to gain its 100% actual charge, the intermittent hit the power on button to wake and it doesn't wake right away issue. It's not a perfect phone! OH MY!
With the EVO you are getting every bit the phone the incredible is and then some. 4G(not applicable to all), 30% increased screen size, Brilliant TFT screen, HTC Exchange enhancements(some of these features were stripped in the Incredible), ROOTED already, You Tube HD, Front facing camera. There are a few more I am sure.
If you don't like the way the phone feels in your hands then its not inferior its just not for you. If you think that the 3D features are not up to your standards than the phone is not for you if you can't wait for updates and improvements which are surely to arrive sooner than later. I don't care for 3D so the phone will be exactly what I want. I have the Incredible as well and will keep both.
If there was just one phone that would cater to everyone then that company will never need to make another phone again.
Holding back for a phone based on a few reports and not having tried it out is kinda silly don't cha think?
Wait until it arrives, lay out your cash and take a test drive.
Big deal..
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Actually, yes, i did, but my hangover medication is beside the point. If you weren't so obtuse, you would know that crying is a way to say complaining, especially over something so silly like this. Lastly, fanboy? Really? I respect all phones, although i love android phones, i'm very fair to others. I love the iphone and always will(a bit bored of the OS, still love it though), really love webos and the pre(though i suck at using it), and i personally love the nexus one. I am far from a fanboy, I just realize that the EVO is easily the best phone on the market right now, and to say it isn't would be ignorant, and to not buy it because it scored slightly, SLIGHTLY lower on a test, which is very likely a software problem, is something a crybaby complains about.
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Another thing I like to keep in mind is potential...our rooted optimized Heros are running Neocore at some 33 fps (blows the sox off all three devices in the above video). Imagine what'll happen when the devs getta hold of a device w/ twice the computing power!!
There's speculation that the demonstrated 2.1 is a preliminary build so that may speak a lot as to why there seems to be a performance issue. I personally don't care what my phone runs like when I first get it, cuz I know a stock ROM will rarely perform as well as a custom cooked ROM.
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My N1 was running those games fine on 2.1.
It is not a matter of crying about 1fps....
the games literally stutter when you play them, it is not as if they are just slower.
like there is some bottleneck somewhere in the software (maybe drivers) that is preventing the phone from reaching better performance.
I tried to disable Sense UI and the live wallpaper but so no improvement.
I also don't think this is related to JIT, as it seems like a GPU issue.
Anyone knows if there is a command i can run on the phone that will show me what the CPU clocks at?
So how do you like your Nexus S vs Vibrant...How about a comparison?
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The nexus s is identical to the vibrant, but it has what everyone wants from their vibrant a good camera even in low light but with flash, and a new os : gingerbread 2.3, in hardware specs its almost identical, software and flash is where it gets better than the vibrant
Dont have one because the only thing it has over the Vibrant that i care about is Gingerbread. The camera flash isnt a big deal to me.
So far so good.
JIT actually works on GB quadrant CPU score is now on par with snapdragon
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9858387&postcount=1
I never had issues really with my vibrant GPS but notices quicker and more accurate locks haven't tested on road yet
Covering the bottom left corner on NS doesn't cause signal drop
Like the all around look of the NS doesn't have the cheap looking chrome the vibrant has and no more tmobile or samsung on the front just all black
and also has a rounder look making it look slightly smaller and more sleek along with curve glass
Took some getting use to unlocking and gaining root access but managed and also got clockwork recovery image flashed
Gingerbread is just fast and really snappy
that's about it for now
nothing really stands out in WOW factor its pretty much a vibrant with Google support.. And hopefully they port gingerbread to vibrant and hopefully its optimized to take full advantage of JIT because it makes a difference
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Tested on road and is very accurate and didn't run into any lost or spotty signal while navigating.
Probably due to the fact that they changed the cell and GPS antenna so they no longer interfere with one another like on my vibrant
Well my vibrants gps is perfect locks within 5 secs accurate compass works correctly and with the new google maps its faster, my vibrant being made recently 10-20 came with preinstalled ji6 which does fix the gps problems, as of now im happy with the vibrant just gonna wait till ota froyo comes which should be really soon, im done flashing custom roms they either made my gps worse or messed up my haptic vibrations ended up exchanging so many times at the tmobile store lol i took full advantage of my 14 day period i think i exchanged 2 vibrants got a G2 hated the G2 so horrible and back to another vibrant. Only thing the nexus really has over the vibrant for me is the flash and gingerbread, but i dont want gingerbread badly enough to sell my brand new vibrant due to froyo coming soon and theres no huge difference between 2.2 and 2.3 compared to 2.1 to 2.2
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So how do you like your Nexus S vs Vibrant...How about a comparison?
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Just got my Nexus S. The final straw for me was the fact that the official Samsung twitter is now saying that they "cannot pinpoint a date" for 2.2, yet they had previously been saying "by the end of the year." So they should be able to at least say by the 31st unless they were lying earlier. I have lost faith in them and will never buy a Samsung phone again unless it is a situation like the Nexus where they are not involved with OS/software.
Anyways, it is what you would expect. Basically a Galaxy S except without Samsung tainting the software and no restrictions of any kind. Samsung makes great hardware but, damn, they suck when it comes to supporting existing customers and software engineering. The camera is nice, though I hope that they add in support for HD video recording (which I'm sure it is capable of). Everything I have tried seems to be very fast and well optimized. I also like the small interface changes in 2.3. The phone actually feels a little heavier/thicker than the Vibrant to me, though it isn't in a bad way like the MT4G (which is ugly, too, IMO). External styling seems nice though not much different.
I'm happy. I got what I wanted: unmodified/unrestricted Android and not waiting forever (if ever) for updates.
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So far so good.
JIT actually works on GB quadrant CPU score is now on par with snapdragon
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9858387&postcount=1
I never had issues really with my vibrant GPS but notices quicker and more accurate locks haven't tested on road yet
Covering the bottom left corner on NS doesn't cause signal drop
Like the all around look of the NS doesn't have the cheap looking chrome the vibrant has and no more tmobile or samsung on the front just all black
and also has a rounder look making it look slightly smaller and more sleek along with curve glass
Took some getting use to unlocking and gaining root access but managed and also got clockwork recovery image flashed
Gingerbread is just fast and really snappy
that's about it for now
nothing really stands out in WOW factor its pretty much a vibrant with Google support.. And hopefully they port gingerbread to vibrant and hopefully its optimized to take full advantage of JIT because it makes a difference
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Interesting the 3D doesn't score as well as the Galaxy S....
It also has relatively slow IO considering its EXT4 partitions.
edit: i guess the NS has an option that slowed the IO down, devs have 'fixed' it and its performing as you would expect..
Also think maybe its just a 2.3 problem with apps maybe causing the 3d scores? well see as time progresses.
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The nexus s is identical to the vibrant, but it has what everyone wants from their vibrant a good camera even in low light but with flash, and a new os : gingerbread 2.3, in hardware specs its almost identical, software and flash is where it gets better than the vibrant
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the nexus s is NOT identical to the vibrant. i'm just saying.
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Interesting the 3D doesn't score as well as the Galaxy S....
It also has relatively slow IO considering its EXT4 partitions.
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Supercurio found that they missed a mounting option he already released a voodoo kernel that fixes it
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The camera is nice, though I hope that they add in support for HD video recording (which I'm sure it is capable of).
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I hate to break it to you, but that's a hardware limitation. They may be able to add 720p recording at something less than 30fps, but that's the best you can hope for.
http://twitter.com/supercurio/status/15023985871814656
@dnaltews Is VIdeo Capture 480p choice due to WebM codec limitations on this SoC? software compressor Maybe? @kangsterizer
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@supercurio clock rate limitation of the SoC. Galaxy uses an external image processing part as a work around. Not enough PCB space in N.S.
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I hate to break it to you, but that's a hardware limitation. They may be able to add 720p recording at something less than 30fps, but that's the best you can hope for.
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I don't fully understand what is being said in that twitter reply... so there is a hardware difference between the Vibrant and Nexus S that prevents HD recording? Seems strange that Google would downgrade the hardware in the S. Then again, they took out the SD slot.
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I don't fully understand what is being said in that twitter reply... so there is a hardware difference between the Vibrant and Nexus S that prevents HD recording? Seems strange that Google would downgrade the hardware in the S. Then again, they took out the SD slot.
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Basically, the Vibrant had an extra chip that assisted with video recording. There wasn't room for it in the Nexus S, so it won't be able to do 720p.
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The nexus s is identical to the vibrant, but it has what everyone wants from their vibrant a good camera even in low light but with flash, and a new os : gingerbread 2.3, in hardware specs its almost identical, software and flash is where it gets better than the vibrant
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You don't quite grasp the meaning of the word "identical," do ya?
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Won't do 720p? We'll see.
Either way, the solid feel of the Nexus S makes the Vibrant feel so last year. The Nexus S is the most solid phone I've ever held.
Other than that, it FLIES out of the box. Oh and Gingerbread is hawttttttttttt
Don't say one negative thing about the Nexus S until you go personally hold it. You'll probably end up buying it within 3 seconds of grasping it's awesomeness first hand.
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Won't do 720p? We'll see.
Either way, the solid feel of the Nexus S makes the Vibrant feel so last year. The Nexus S is the most solid phone I've ever held.
Other than that, it FLIES out of the box. Oh and Gingerbread is hawttttttttttt
Don't say one negative thing about the Nexus S until you go personally hold it. You'll probably end up buying it within 3 seconds of grasping it's awesomeness first hand.
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I held one. See sigtag. Samaung build quality is nothing to rave about. NS feela cheepee than an HTC aria, and the only thing not last year about this phone is the os... At least for a couple of weeks.
Can care less about this phone. I want a 2.2 update for the one I paid for.
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Won't do 720p? We'll see.
Either way, the solid feel of the Nexus S makes the Vibrant feel so last year. The Nexus S is the most solid phone I've ever held.
Other than that, it FLIES out of the box. Oh and Gingerbread is hawttttttttttt
Don't say one negative thing about the Nexus S until you go personally hold it. You'll probably end up buying it within 3 seconds of grasping it's awesomeness first hand.
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Appreciate the enthusiasm but that's a bit of an exaggeration, no?
From the Nexus S forums there seems to be a few people that aren't all that happy with their phones. Various FC's, spotty GPS, poor call quality. I'm seeing more complaints that I thought I would have.
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From the Nexus S forums there seems to be a few people that aren't all that happy with their phones. Various FC's, spotty GPS, poor call quality. I'm seeing more complaints that I thought I would have.
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Are you unaware of the season? I know people expect their GPS to work underground but it doesn't ALWAYS work. That and Nexus owners have this sense of entitlement and ***** at the slightest problem as if battery pack just blew up when the battery meter jumps from 100 to 97 fresh off of the charger.
Thank Google for the FC's and poor call quality. Google has some type of noise compression that's software based. Of course, they're controlling the software which means it's supposed to be 100% awesome 100% of the time.
I held one in best buy, and while it is nicer then vibrant, its still nothing special. Gingerbread sucks, I have all gingerbread I need on my vibrant already, I don't really care about game optimization which was the main focus on Ginger. For me its a 50/50 betweeen upgrade and downgrade, the only problem is that its almost 600 bucks....
Hardware let me down, software let me down, maybe developers will surprise me.
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Appreciate the enthusiasm but that's a bit of an exaggeration, no?
From the Nexus S forums there seems to be a few people that aren't all that happy with their phones. Various FC's, spotty GPS, poor call quality. I'm seeing more complaints that I thought I would have.
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Yea might have FC but thats because software isn't working with 2.3 and needs to be updated. This is the developers responsibility not Google...Gingerbread is perfect and run absolutely fine.
Also FYI you will always find people complaining about one thing or another doesn't matter how revolutionary and stable a product is...even more so when you dont actually have hands on experience and seems to be looking for as much negative things possible to justify your decision on not getting it
Give it time apparently cryogen team are working on porting to galaxy s
Also dont think im just trying to justify my purchase and will say anything because this isn't the case i still have my vibrant and have 14 days to return to get my money back....so far im keeping it
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Gingerbread sucks, I have all gingerbread I need on my vibrant already
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LOL gingerbread sucks but yet you want your vibrant to look like it BTW how that JIT optimization doing for you on your Gingerbread themed 2.2 that's running on rfs
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LOL gingerbread sucks but yet you want your vibrant to look like it BTW how that JIT optimization doing for you on your Gingerbread themed 2.2 that's running on rfs
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I wanted to say that Gingerbread has very little to offer. It looks good, it has updated copy/paste, keyboard, and optimization for games. I have all those things and more (due to TouchWiz extras) except for optimization for games.....
And frankly speaking, Nero v1 (obviously with JIT) runs very fast and has zero FC.....and it only gets better day by day.
JIT has nothing to do with NS running a bit faster, its ext4. and even after that people are still reporting "laggy browser" in NS, which is THE ONLY issue I have with Vibrant right now.
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I've had a nexus s and it does not lag at all, neither does my atrix. Single core or dual core it doesn't seem to make a difference to me. In my experience the atrix has better battery life. As far as the screens go that's a matter of opinion, the samoled seems more vibrant but is utterly useless in sunlight. As much as I hate BLUR, I chose the atrix over the nexus s and once we have an AOSP Rom I will have no regrets whatsoever.
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Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I had the nexus s, it wasn't much of an improvement over my custom rommed Captivate, so I took it back. I was also looking forward to the Galaxy S2's release in America, until I got Gingerbread on my Atrix. There is no way the GS2 will be a substantial improvement over my Atrix now.
The Motorola Atrix was voted as the best phone at CES, and with Gingerbread it lives up to those accolades. Froyo and the ridiculous price of the lapdock killed this phone's initial release.
Take a look at the top results on Smartbench 2011, there is a reason Samsung delayed the GS2's release and overclocked it to 1.2ghz. Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.
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Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.
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So will the battery life lol
Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.
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Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.
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I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.
I had nexus so and atrix together for two weeks. There is major performance difference between the two. Nexus s's 512 mb ram was the deal breaker for me, it was not enough. I think I'm spoiled by the 1gb ram.
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If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.
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Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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I really like my Atrix, but I would wait and see what the next Nexus phone will bring.
Atrix ftw, i think its best phone so far for me
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Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)
I own both and I prefer the Atrix.
With an AOSP ROM this phone will scream.
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Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I would stay away from the Nexus S. Ya, it's Raw Goog but the sub-par RAM, single core chip and cheap plastic construction just aren't worth it especially on a new contract.
I'm loving my Atrix on GB, rooted, de-blurred (Titanium freeze) and running Go Launcher EX. I experience no lag, web browser is lighting fast, GPS is the best I've experienced from a phone. That's my experience and opinion. Considering the timing of your upgrade I would suggest checking the SG2 out as it may be more to your liking. Some people like Sammy HW some don't (I personally hate it, especially their damn "Chin" design philosophy).
That said, you cannot go wrong with the Atrix, it's an excellent phone. I traded in my Inspire 4G at a loss and don't regret my decision one bit.
Oh, and DL/UL speed in Houston, TX I've been averaging 3.5mb down (6 max) and 1.3mb up (2.1 max). Inspire 4G never made it over 2.5 down (1 Ghz. w/ 768mb RAM). Atrix is on par with my friend's EVO 4G (Sprint WiMax, he avgs 2-3 but has a max he's gotten of 7 once) and another friend's T-Bolt (Verizon LTE, 5-6 avg and a max of 8). And yes processor and RAM do affect your up/down as it's partially determined by the amount of data your phone can process, another reason to stay away from the S at this point.
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well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)
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Might have been my thread. I apologize, but I was wrong. Even tough performance has increased substantially (from 8-10 fps to an average of 24) when playing high profile h.264, it still isnt perfectly smooth and, for some reason, the episodes of Game of Thrones were mute for me, which indicates a continuing lack of support to audio codecs. After converting it with the Handbrake method, it worked flawlessly.
@OP
The Atrix and the SGS2 have different offerings. SGS2 has a standardly overclocked processor, a bigger, brighter screen, less weight, and a GPU accelerated browser. The Atrix has a much higher pixel density, better battery life, and a specialized game store (Nvidia Tegra Zone which, despite the lack of titles in numbers, the ones it DOES have possess highly improved graphics over standard versions).
And for many of us, it has a lapdock, which is a perfect netbook replacement if all you do is work with word, excel, and light web browsing, being lighter and having better battery life than many netbooks. Its also fun like hell to play at customizing it
I like the overall build with the Motorola Atrix, but without the GPU accelerated and NEON support, would I be at a significant hardware disadvantage for everyday use? I feel I wouldn't. Also, any complaints about the screen?
Okay. Opera provides a gpu accelerated browser that is blazing fast. The screen is really nice, but you may notice grainy greens.
Edit: oh, neon support isn't an issue, at least for me. Most of my videos can be played using moboplayer.
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The atrix also is not sized like a giant brick but weighing like a feather toy (the #1 reason I didn't go for the SGS2). Form factor wins for me. Not to mention in Australia, atrix is 150-200 dollars cheaper.
I would say though with froyo it is noticeably inferior. But that's no longer an issue, whether stock or unlock BL/custom ROM.
If you want a big screen and fast phone....sgs2, if you want sething new and try some mods atrix, if yu are a hard modder HD2
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Now that there's actual photos of the AT&T galaxy family, would anyone consider it a superior choice? I kinda like the idea of a physical keyboard but I'm used to portrait like on my blackberry.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/26/droid-bionic-gets-a-silent-walkthrough-video/
just look how fluid the UI is!! it doesnt lag with live walpapers (like ours still do with GB.) and the transitions are amazing, for flipping side by side on homescreen, etc.
anyways i see no lag. unlike our poopy phones at the moment lol, until we get more ROMs (its sad that we our $700 phones have to depend on custom ROMs.)
except at 2:47 where there is the bug haha it looks so annoying, id rather have it then a laggy os though. i hope to bring it to our phones.. hopefully it isnt limited to the "droid" line, like it seems. someone shall port it though, which is a hassle.
Geez. Was the atrix $699 when it first came out? Talk about seriously overpriced. It might've been worth it if the bootloader was unlockable from the get go. The atrix can be had ~$400 new off contract if you look around, and about $300 used most places. It is a great value now.
I voided my warranty.
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Geez. Was the atrix $699 when it first came out? Talk about seriously overpriced. It might've been worth it if the bootloader was unlockable from the get go. The atrix can be had ~$400 new off contract if you look around, and about $300 used most places. It is a great value now.
I voided my warranty.
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i dont really remember tbh lol, thats what i remember hearing though. maybe it was that much with the laptop dock idk
haha i just used my upgrade since i had one. =] only $50 for a refurb. {that was in june}
I wouldn't have wasted a n upgrade on a phone like the atrix, especially a return. The resale value of an iphone 4 is low right now because the 5 is coming soon, but you could've flipped a i4 and got an atrix and put some money in your pocket or got an sgs2 for a little over $300 out of pocket.
I voided my warranty.
I don't care if the Nexus Prime cost me $1000, that ***** is mine opening day!
Even if rubbed my balls on your personal one? Still waiting for official announcement. Too many variables and not enough shown. I alsowant to know what ics brings.
I voided my warranty.
Kinda funny though how Samsung's own legal team confirmed that it's going to be a samsung made phone
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I don't care if the Nexus Prime cost me $1000, that ***** is mine opening day!
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i was telling myself the same thing until i heard it will be bigger than the dell streak, have fun holding a tablet to your ear xD (brick) haha, im not big on bluetooth headsets either since it makes you look like a crazy person talking to yourself lol. ill wait till google uses good ol' motorola to make a nexus! bet that'll be the ****. or HTC brings some 720p screens, who knows.
Find this thread funny because "even with Gingerbread".... i don't really notice that much lag even with a live wallpaper. I mean... what.... if you're complaining that it takes a fraction of a second to switch home screens on the Bionic and a negligibly larger fraction of a second to switch on the Atrix... you need to straighten out your priorities.
While i will admit that i like the idea of using inductive charging right off the bat... the "Cool Down" mode kinda freaks me out.
the major bullet points, the ones i found every where after a quick google, the ones that actually sell the phone practically match the atrix.. dual core 1 ghz, 1gb ram, qhd, 4g lte, 16gb internal memory. coming from an atrix this doesn't seem like much of an upgrade. what's the big deal?
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Find this thread funny because "even with Gingerbread".... i don't really notice that much lag even with a live wallpaper. I mean... what.... if you're complaining that it takes a fraction of a second to switch home screens on the Bionic and a negligibly larger fraction of a second to switch on the Atrix... you need to straighten out your priorities.
While i will admit that i like the idea of using inductive charging right off the bat... the "Cool Down" mode kinda freaks me out.
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the lag when using a lwp that isnt a movable picture is un-usable. like on the nexus one it is usable because the background stays still, but on the forest one the background moves when you move the screen, which makes it VERY un-usable. especially for the atrix, my old mytouch 4g didnt even lag using those, which is very sad. i dont get why it would lag on our phones, i thought they would have fixed the problem in GB since SO many people complained about it. it makes it look like my old G1s homescreen, lol. i was just saying its sad that we have to rely on custom ROMs, and other homes like adw and go launcher to make it none laggy. i personally hate having more than one launcher on my phone cause it just bloats it up, i like to stick to my stock on unless its un-usable which the stock one becomes..
im just glad to know its not our hardware. barely lag when using ADW EX
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the major bullet points, the ones i found every where after a quick google, the ones that actually sell the phone practically match the atrix.. dual core 1 ghz, 1gb ram, qhd, 4g lte, 16gb internal memory. coming from an atrix this doesn't seem like much of an upgrade. what's the big deal?
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much better ROM, doesnt look like a $20 pre paid phone. much better camera. LTE is faster. (where i live at the least). i dont know the screen size but i love the sweetspot 4" screen on atrix.
i dont know if it has to do with the carriers but verizon has much better ROMs with moto phones for some reason, well the droid line period. i just think its weird
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the major bullet points, the ones i found every where after a quick google, the ones that actually sell the phone practically match the atrix.. dual core 1 ghz, 1gb ram, qhd, 4g lte, 16gb internal memory. coming from an atrix this doesn't seem like much of an upgrade. what's the big deal?
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Except those aren't the specs
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much better ROM, doesnt look like a $20 pre paid phone. much better camera. LTE is faster. (where i live at the least). i dont know the screen size but i love the sweetspot 4" screen on atrix.
i dont know if it has to do with the carriers but verizon has much better ROMs with moto phones for some reason, well the droid line period. i just think its weird
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aesthetics are enough for me =D
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the lag when using a lwp that isnt a movable picture is un-usable. like on the nexus one it is usable because the background stays still, but on the forest one the background moves when you move the screen, which makes it VERY un-usable. especially for the atrix, my old mytouch 4g didnt even lag using those, which is very sad. i dont get why it would lag on our phones, i thought they would have fixed the problem in GB since SO many people complained about it. it makes it look like my old G1s homescreen, lol. i was just saying its sad that we have to rely on custom ROMs, and other homes like adw and go launcher to make it none laggy. i personally hate having more than one launcher on my phone cause it just bloats it up, i like to stick to my stock on unless its un-usable which the stock one becomes..
im just glad to know its not our hardware. barely lag when using ADW EX
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been using Nexus Revamped Pro on pretty much max settings you can put it on with little to no lag (maybe a micro second of stutter here and there) on stock, CM7, Alien, and Ninja Speed Freak. Not quite sure what everyone else is doing to get this lag issue, but from my personal experience it doesn't exist. just giving you my two cents.
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been using Nexus Revamped Pro on pretty much max settings you can put it on with little to no lag (maybe a micro second of stutter here and there) on stock, CM7, Alien, and Ninja Speed Freak. Not quite sure what everyone else is doing to get this lag issue, but from my personal experience it doesn't exist. just giving you my two cents.
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it really depends on the lwp you are using, forest one it comes with is horrid. nexus is just fine, looks great, and some others! i stick with none as it runs much smoother
also, some of you guys might be looking at the old bionic. apparently they arent making that one anymore or something
new one: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-DROID-BIONIC_id5306
the old one had only 512mb RAM and looks rounded.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/08/17/leaked-manual-confirms-more-droid-bionic-features/
duno how relevant or accurate that is.. i did after all find it on the internet
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the major bullet points, the ones i found every where after a quick google, the ones that actually sell the phone practically match the atrix.. dual core 1 ghz, 1gb ram, qhd, 4g lte, 16gb internal memory. coming from an atrix this doesn't seem like much of an upgrade. what's the big deal?
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There isn't one
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In conclusion: Amazing. The work Turl, Jokersax, etc have done here is amazing.
Why do I say this? I just got a One X. And it feels slower than my Atrix
Thanks guys, and I hope it will go on being appreciated by my girlfriend (if I can pry her away from the world of physical keyboards - can't keep using a Desire Z forever!)
Some work to be done here, methinks. Plus, I used to think Sense made Android better. Since Google gave us ICS, it feels like an abomination
Did you get a 4G LTE one? That ones dual core just like the, and the unlocked HSPA+ ones are quad core. At least, thats how I understand it, correct me if im wrong.
But still, it being "just a dual core" shouldnt make it laggy, if anything it should be a similar experience to the Atrix, or more so. Very peculiar.
Anyways, it looks like an awesome phone, maybe you just need some good ole Cyanogen magic to bring it out of its shell.
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Did you get a 4G LTE one? That ones dual core just like the, and the unlocked HSPA+ ones are quad core. At least, thats how I understand it, correct me if im wrong.
But still, it being "just a dual core" shouldnt make it laggy, if anything it should be a similar experience to the Atrix, or more so. Very peculiar.
Anyways, it looks like an awesome phone, maybe you just need some good ole Cyanogen magic to bring it out of its shell.
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The Krait CPU in the dual core version is actually super competitive with the Tegra3 quad core version, so if it is slower than the Atrix, more power to the developers!
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Did you get a 4G LTE one? That ones dual core just like the, and the unlocked HSPA+ ones are quad core. At least, thats how I understand it, correct me if im wrong.
But still, it being "just a dual core" shouldnt make it laggy, if anything it should be a similar experience to the Atrix, or more so. Very peculiar.
Anyways, it looks like an awesome phone, maybe you just need some good ole Cyanogen magic to bring it out of its shell.
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I think you something...
Actually, I would've preferred a Krait-based version (krait owns a9s in terms of performance per core, so an app is going to have to be very well threaded to run faster on Tegra 3... Plus Adreno 225 is a good deal faster than Tegra 3s GPU) but here in the UK we don't have commercially available LTE yet, so mine's the standard Kal-El quad.
It's better now its rooted and running a bloat-free ROM, but it doesn't feel faster than the Atrix tbh. It's nice to finally have a phone with a non-pentile screen though
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Actually, I would've preferred a Krait-based version (krait owns a9s in terms of performance per core, so an app is going to have to be very well threaded to run faster on Tegra 3... Plus Adreno 225 is a good deal faster than Tegra 3s GPU) but here in the UK we don't have commercially available LTE yet, so mine's the standard Kal-El quad.
It's better now its rooted and running a bloat-free ROM, but it doesn't feel faster than the Atrix tbh. It's nice to finally have a phone with a non-pentile screen though
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That's so weird to hear that the quad isn't as fast. I know we don't need quad cores at all, its stupid and only for wow factor, but its still weird to hear that. Once more developers get on into the One X though, its going to be sick. A lot of devs are leaving the Desire HD to get the One X.
What is the One X overclock-able to?
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i wonder if a de-sensed ROM on the oneX would be smoother?
I wouldn't be surprised if next gen smartphones have a core i7 3960X and 24GB of ram.
Hah! You've hit on why I never bought into the hype for the SGSII. I think we've reached a point where, unless Android 5+ has something really heavy in it the OS is no longer bottlenecked by hardware. Dual core 1Ghz+ CPUs are enough for Android to run like butter, and as a result the screen or LTE are the only incentives to upgrade at this point in time.
I hear you on pentile, ever since I read about it I cant un-notice it on greens. But is a screen really worth $200(contract)-$600(no contract)? IMO its not.
Either way, enjoy your One X. Its popularity and HTC's track record with unlockable bootloaders should all but guarantee you'll see stock ICS roms pretty soon.
The HTC One X comes with Sense 4 so it already has ICS.
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Hah! You've hit on why I never bought into the hype for the SGSII. I think we've reached a point where, unless Android 5+ has something really heavy in it the OS is no longer bottlenecked by hardware. Dual core 1Ghz+ CPUs are enough for Android to run like butter, and as a result the screen or LTE are the only incentives to upgrade at this point in time.
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Sure are. To be honest, I was perfectly happy with my Atrix. With CM9, it's perfect - incredibly fast, stable and great battery life (at least as far as Android phones go ). The only reason I upgraded was because I came to the end of my contract, and as I have to keep paying the amount I am for the internet coverage anyway, I figured why not renew for another 2 years and grab a new toy with no up-front cost.
I hear you on pentile, ever since I read about it I cant un-notice it on greens. But is a screen really worth $200(contract)-$600(no contract)? IMO its not.
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Actually, the Atrix PenTile LCD (RGBW) annoyed me far less than the AMOLED (RGBG) on the Desire I had previously - at least with the Atrix arrangement, black on white/white on black are rendered at full resolution, so most text is very sharp, whereas everything but green renders at 1/4 res on the non-super AMOLED!
Either way, enjoy your One X. Its popularity and HTC's track record with unlockable bootloaders should all but guarantee you'll see stock ICS roms pretty soon.
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Yeah, I think I should be on to a safe bet, the Desire development community is massive, which I always appreciated when I had one And I guess the One X is 2012's Desire... I'm (rather impatiently) looking forward to S-Off, AOSP/CM9 and custom kernels though.
I just need to get used to this size tax that all Android device manufacturers seem to be applying to their high-end phones these days 'Want a powerful phone? Sorry, it's got to be unfathomably gigantic' [it's not the bulk - the One X is lighter and thinner than the Atrix... What really irks me that I can't reach the top corners of the screen whilst holding the phone securely in one hand walking down the road or whatever. But maybe that's just me....]
So even though CM9 is still in alpha, it works great? Is there anything about it that doesn't work?
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So even though CM9 is still in alpha, it works great? Is there anything about it that doesn't work?
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I don't think video recording works, plus the browser tends to crash if you rotate from portrait to landscape. I now just turn the phone before starting the browser as a matter of habit Hardware video playback/encoding acceleration doesn't yet work, so most flash video at high bitrates is choppy at best, though Youtube works fine, as does local video (the files I tried, anyway). As always for CM roms, Moto webtop doesn't work, although there is a tablet-view based alternative that I think is currently working - it appears this is the route Motorola are going for in their own ICS ROMs anyway, so it will probably be the case for the Atrix too upon release. I don't really know as I've never used it.
But aside from that: yes, it's amazing. Far faster than any Froyo or Gingerbread release I tried in feel. The browser is much faster both in terms of page rendering and scrolling/zooming smoothness. Even complex AJAX web pages scroll and interact smoothly. With Chrome Beta, it's even better! Scrolling and transitions in general are much smoother thanks to the hardware accelerated GUI. To me, the Atrix feels like a whole new phone with ICS. Oh, and I forgot: The battery life is much better with my usage too - I rarely see below about 60% when returning from work these days where as back when I was running CM7, it would often be closer to 30%...
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So even though CM9 is still in alpha, it works great? Is there anything about it that doesn't work?
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This thread inspired me to give CM9 a try. It's definitely not ready for prime time. I went back to CM7. The camera didn't work half the time. Video recording doesn't work at all. Can't use tabs in Chrome and it crashed often. No fingerprint unlock which isn't a deal breaker but still a bummer.
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This thread inspired me to give CM9 a try. It's definitely not ready for prime time. I went back to CM7. The camera didn't work half the time. Video recording doesn't work at all. Can't use tabs in Chrome and it crashed often. No fingerprint unlock which isn't a deal breaker but still a bummer.
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I've used phones with OEM firmware with more bugs
What's up with the camera? I have zero issues with stills... Although the Atrix's camera is so terrible it's not really worth using anyway! (I'm sure the camera on my old Desire was a lot better? As is, obviously, the One X - though even that doesn't compete with the cheapest 'real' camera...)
Personally, I found that despite the bugs, going back to <ICS feels like being in the stone age Scrolling, zooming and the render time for complex pages in the browser is so bad on GB I actually hated browsing the web on it before the (very buggy) early test builds of CM9 came along. You can't even use Chrome on previous versions, so why does that matter? The stock browser is infinitely better on ICS than GB...
All the work these guys have put in to bring us ICS, IMO is incredible. Maybe it's not ready for 'prime time' but I'd hazard a guess that Motorola's initial official releases will likely be just as/more buggy (although maybe in different ways) and probably a hell of a lot slower if previous AOSP/CM vs. Moto ROM rules apply... Having said that, the correct + working video drivers from the Moto release when they drop will likely fix everything that's wrong with CM9 on the Atrix at the moment.
Azurael said:
I'd hazard a guess that Motorola's initial official releases will likely be just as/more buggy
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thats just not realistic...
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What don't work on CM9 Roms?
gitman0 said:
thats just not realistic...
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Why cut off the parenthesis? He said in different ways, which is more than possible
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Alcapone263 said:
Why cut off the parenthesis? He said in different ways, which is more than possible
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because stating that the official release will have as many if not more bugs is not the same as stating it will have different bugs. my argument is against the former. do you really think an official release from motorola, a company that has all the resources they need available to them (including a QA team), would have as many or more bugs than a community-developed ROM, which itself was a best-effort attempt at porting ICS to a platform which did not already have it? i'm sorry, but that is just a brash generalization possibly rooted in some sort of loathsomeness for not having an official ICS release already.
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because stating that the official release will have as many if not more bugs is not the same as stating it will have different bugs. my argument is against the former. do you really think an official release from motorola, a company that has all the resources they need available to them (including a QA team), would have as many or more bugs than a community-developed ROM, which itself was a best-effort attempt at porting ICS to a platform which did not already have it?
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Unfortunately, many Android lovers tend to believe community devs can do no wrong and corporate devs are slow and retarded.
If so, then why is dev work SO much better when source code, drivers, and official builds are released?
CM9 will be absolutely beyond amazing once official Atrix ICS is out and drivers/source is out.