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Seems alot of this "everyone will unroot for 2.1" vs. "no one will unroot for 2.1" arguments is going on. Personally, I'd say you'd have to be a fool to unroot for 2.1. Toast has about everything but the camera working, Darch is getting an AOSP built. Even if Sprint DOES release it first, XDA will have custom ROMs up within 24 hours.
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Yes, I made a typo on the poll.
Probably, assuming I can use one of the 1.5 RUUs to go back.
On another note, I anticipate that once the official 2.1 is released, all of the current 2.1 builds will basically dissolve and, eventually, all future development will be based on the official 2.1 release.
That's just a guess, but I think it's a good one.
Nandroid muthafucka, can you use it?
Using RA to go back to 1.5 and then doing the RUU is the only way I've gotten it to work.
Get an "Error 180" otherwise.
I'm assuming that the 2.1 update will overwrite RA the way the 1.5 RUU does.
If it doesn't, then of course restoring a Nandroid directly will be sufficient. If it does, then I'll need to go back to the 1.5 RUU, then root, then apply the backup.
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Seems alot of this "everyone will unroot for 2.1" vs. "no one will unroot for 2.1" arguments is going on. Personally, I'd say you'd have to be a fool to unroot for 2.1. Toast has about everything but the camera working, Darch is getting an AOSP built. Even if Sprint DOES release it first, XDA will have custom ROMs up within 24 hours.
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First things first, I think the answer mostly depends on if someone tries it and reports whether they can root again afterwards or not.
If so, I believe many will unroot and upgrade.
If not, I doubt anyone here will do it.
Secondly, Toast's 2.1 build, while great(I use it daily) is not even close to the final 2.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elDD2mxE4ak
^^ Something a bit more like what we will have
Ah crap, I thought you meant you'd keep root.
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I'm assuming that the 2.1 update will overwrite RA the way the 1.5 RUU does.
If it doesn't, then of course restoring a Nandroid directly will be sufficient. If it does, then I'll need to go back to the 1.5 RUU, then root, then apply the backup.
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Potential problem being you may not be able to go back to the 1.5 RUU.
For example, if you flash Sprint's second RUU that was released, you are then unable to flash the original one.
So it may end up being you cannot go back to 1.5. Not sure how likely this is though due to the operating system version change, they may allow you to go back because some users may not like it(for some reason )
No, here at XDA some cool guy will probably make a better ROM based on 2.1
I agree that I will probably wait to see if someone can still root after the update if yes then I will probably go back and update then root again. if not then I will wait for one of the great devs here to release a rom built off the official 2.1 so I can keep root
You'd be a fool to unroot for 2.1. After you unroot, it might take weeks, months, or years to find a new exploit to root again. I say keep root and wait until our awesome devs have a rooted version up
I might unroot, but then again I don't want to wait for a root exploit ...
so I might stay rooted and wait for the devs to come out with a nice suitable ROM ...
I'm gonna wait for an root exploit before locking my phone down again with the 2.1 official. Then i'll probably try the official 2.1, not like it, and go back to an XDA 2.1
I give it about 72 hours before my curiosity gets the better of me, but only if there isn't already a viable 2.1 release here.
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I would unroot for the update, simply because i have so much faith in the dev community. Im sure they will be able to root it again.
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I would unroot for the update, simply because i have so much faith in the dev community. Im sure they will be able to root it again.
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You love the dev community, yet you'll unroot in hopes they'll be able to root it?
Why not just wait for them to put up a custom ROM and keep root? I really doubt it'll take longer than a few hours, maybe a day to put out a fully working ROM
Well, i didnt say i wouldnt give them time either, ill wait about 2 or 3 days for them to make a custom rom, but i am so damn excited about the update i really am feeling like i am getting the short stick with the cdma hero on sprint. honestly the update needs to come asap.
why would anyone unroot to update? it would only take ten minutes to extract their build and just make an update.zip out of it. u flash it and its as good as sprints ruu. even better because u wont have to worry about root or upgrading to the next android version. lets not forget 2.1 isnt the end of the road for android. as soon as they start releasing updates for it. u can bet they are already working on the next build of android. but yeah i wouldnt unroot for the update. ill just get it, exstact it, make an update zip, and flash that sucker. then go back and tear it apart and start adding all the stuff sprint was to cheap or to dumb to add while removing all the bull they did add. i bet it wont take but an hour before an update.zip hits the forum after sprint releases it.
NOT going to unroot i love the custom roms
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why would anyone unroot to update? it would only take ten minutes to extract their build and just make an update.zip out of it. u flash it and its as good as sprints ruu. even better because u wont have to worry about root or upgrading to the next android version. lets not forget 2.1 isnt the end of the road for android. as soon as they start releasing updates for it. u can bet they are already working on the next build of android. but yeah i wouldnt unroot for the update. ill just get it, exstact it, make an update zip, and flash that sucker. then go back and tear it apart and start adding all the stuff sprint was to cheap or to dumb to add while removing all the bull they did add. i bet it wont take but an hour before an update.zip hits the forum after sprint releases it.
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This is not a 2.1 speculation thread, I just thought I'd ask it here with all that knowledge floating around.
WHEN (May 7th?) the 2.1 update is OFFICIALLY dropped, will rooted users be pushed the update? Or will it only go out to models registered as running 1.56.
ASSUMING one might want to upgrade and that push comes, you guys think updating might cause any harm to the phone? I'm thinking 1.56RUU..
I don't think I will partake in the official release, I can't imagine it being any better then what I have now, and what will come after that official release is dropped, however I have had this question for a while. So what do you guys think?
I don't think they can actually push a OTW update.....
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This is not a 2.1 speculation thread, I just thought I'd ask it here with all that knowledge floating around.
WHEN (May 7th?) the 2.1 update is OFFICIALLY dropped, will rooted users be pushed the update? Or will it only go out to models registered as running 1.56.
ASSUMING one might want to upgrade and that push comes, you guys think updating might cause any harm to the phone? I'm thinking 1.56RUU..
I don't think I will partake in the official release, I can't imagine it being any better then what I have now, and what will come after that official release is dropped, however I have had this question for a while. So what do you guys think?
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It is not going to be OTA. It will not matter if you are running custom whatever or stock.
If you run the ruu.exe it will load the official 2.1 release on your phone. The only reason it may not work would be if you ran the 2.1 test ruu.exe and for some reason the official release's hboot is lower than 1.47.000 (the hboot that came with the test release).
Other potential nasty side effects you could get with your official release:
No root
Possibly never be able to root again, or at least stuck with no root until a new work around is found. This fully depends on whether old method is patched.
No custom recovery, no custom roms, no ability to flash .zips from recovery. This goes along with the lack of root.
Inability to run 1.56 ruu ever again due to updated hboot.
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It is not going to be OTA. It will not matter if you are running custom whatever or stock.
If you run the ruu.exe it will load the official 2.1 release on your phone. The only reason it may not work would be if you ran the 2.1 test ruu.exe and for some reason the official release's hboot is lower than 1.47.000 (the hboot that came with the test release).
Other nasty side effects you could get with your official release:
No root
Possibly never be able to root again, or at least stuck with no root until a new work around is found.
No custom recovery, no custom roms, no ability to flash .zips from recovery. This goes along with the lack of root.
Inability to run 1.56 ruu ever again due to updated hboot.
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Couldn't have said it better myself! I would just suggest waiting until the cook of your preference updates his to include items from the official release.
And the single most important reason: No nandroid. Having a point in time backup is insanely important to me. If I ever have to return my phone and get a refurb, it's nice to know I've got a nandroid that will get me right back to where I was before I turned in my phone.
It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
I for one will not be updating to it. My phone is working perfectly as is and this would give me no additional functionality so why bother?
As for the whole rooting issue, I wish folks wouldn't be so scared of the new hboot. I used the RUU and I have custom recovery and can flash any ROM I want. Yes, I know the leaked RUU had root already, but I rerooted it properly and installed busybox and all that so I could use the phone how I wanted.
Anyway, sorry to get sidetracked there, my comment about being so scared of the new hboot is simply this...There is no way the new version will not be rooted sooner or later. Obviously Sprint and HTC would like us to not be able to root any phones but someone always finds a way. There is no way that the new firmware will not be rooted sooner or later. Just like how the Evo will get rooted, as will any newer phone released after it. It is inevitable that someone will figure it out especially with all the talented and experienced folks here working on it as soon as it's released.
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It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
I for one will not be updating to it. My phone is working perfectly as is and this would give me no additional functionality so why bother?
As for the whole rooting issue, I wish folks wouldn't be so scared of the new hboot. I used the RUU and I have custom recovery and can flash any ROM I want. Yes, I know the leaked RUU had root already, but I rerooted it properly and installed busybox and all that so I could use the phone how I wanted.
Anyway, sorry to get sidetracked there, my comment about being so scared of the new hboot is simply this...There is no way the new version will not be rooted sooner or later. Obviously Sprint and HTC would like us to not be able to root any phones but someone always finds a way. There is no way that the new firmware will not be rooted sooner or later. Just like how the Evo will get rooted, as will any newer phone released after it. It is inevitable that someone will figure it out especially with all the talented and experienced folks here working on it as soon as it's released.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one. So you are correct, my assumption is that we will find a root for it one day. BUT I do think that if the EVO drops soon after, all of the talent that can find one will be on it. Then again, some people are of the mind set "Leave no device un hacked" and it would bother people if they knew we didn't have root LOL
Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't we be able to simply use an older RUU (1.52, etc) to get the phone rootable again?
My intention was going to be to try out the new stock RUU for a bit, then re-flash with an older RUU, get root and RA recovery back on, then go back to Fresh Toast. Will this not be possible?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't we be able to simply use an older RUU (1.52, etc) to get the phone rootable again?
My intention was going to be to try out the new stock RUU for a bit, then re-flash with an older RUU, get root and RA recovery back on, then go back to Fresh Toast. Will this not be possible?
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Not possible if the Hboot updates, which it probably will. Those here who tried the test leak 2.1 ruu.exe were unable to run the 1.56 ruu after.
There is an alternative to restore everything except the hboot from the 1.56 ruu here, but you cannot simply run the .exe. This method won't work if the official build has patched the ability to gain root (you won't be able to nandroid). In that case you will be stuck with official 2.1 only.
BTW, speaking from experience with the test build, ruu, hboot, etc.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one. So you are correct, my assumption is that we will find a root for it one day. BUT I do think that if the EVO drops soon after, all of the talent that can find one will be on it. Then again, some people are of the mind set "Leave no device un hacked" and it would bother people if they knew we didn't have root LOL
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Open source is never a disadvantage. Ever.
Good to know, would've been awful to have to wait for new root hack just because I tried the new and shiny!
Guess I will sit back and wait for dev magic before I jump the gun.
Sawawa said:
Open source is never a disadvantage. Ever.
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Mater of semantics, politics, and Ideaologies.
Google has a half belief here, they like open, but they protect that damn search algorithim like its a sacred scripture - Last count I think 8 people on earth knew exactly how it worked.
So the disadvantage to google would be ungodly competition if it was released. Proprietary stuff is a win if you look for profits. Again...depends on which side of the spectrum you are on. Points can be argued either way.
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It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
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I think the OP is asking about an OTA 'notification' that the official update is available. If so then yes, everyone with a Hero will get a text message regardless of what rom we have installed.
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I think the OP is asking about an OTA 'notification' that the official update is available. If so then yes, everyone with a Hero will get a text message regardless of what rom we have installed.
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THAT BETTER NOT COUNT AGAINST MY TEXT LIMIT!!!!
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THAT BETTER NOT COUNT AGAINST MY TEXT LIMIT!!!!
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ROFL. . . you don't have unlimited text?
lol I would hope having a hero you would have unlimited data and texts
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yeah, but I still keep track of them. Habitual addiction to knowing everything LOL.
yeah, but I still keep track of them. Habitual addiction to knowing everything LOL.
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lol! that's great.. ever since sprint gave us that free mobile to mobile in any network I do not bother checking minutes or texts. unless my bill changes.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one.
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Why is it that people still think open source means insecure? I don't claim to know how previous rooting techniques exploit Android, but I do know that 2 Linux distros have a higher government security rating than any other operating system. I assume most weaknesses in android have to do with the recovery and/or update code, which has nothing to do with Linux.
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It IS when HTC bogards it from us and hordes it like cookie monster does cookies. I thought open source meant OPEN SOURCE. Ahh, who knows i probably misunderstood the whole concept
Just curious how many people loaded the 2.1 Update and have now lost root. How many of you loaded a variant of the Official 2.1 and still have root?
Anyone still on 1.5?
Currently still running AOSP 1.6, but going to hop over to Darchdroid, once Drachstar has fixed a few minor issues.
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Currently still running AOSP 1.6, but going to hop over to Darchdroid, once Drachstar has fixed a few minor issues.
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I'm running Darchdroid too. It's running smooth as a baby's buttox.
I flashed Fresh 2.1.1 on Monday. It's based off the leaked Sprint 2.1. Works great. I have root.
I'm on Regaw's latest ROM. Running smooth and skippy.
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Fresh 2.1 and I lost root. Es file always let me hit back to get to the root files and when I flashed 2.1 I can't do that. Not even on my cpu. I think I'm gonna run over my phone and turn it in on insurance. Free phone. And if I wait enough I could get an EVO.
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Fresh 2.1 and I lost root. Es file always let me hit back to get to the root files and when I flashed 2.1 I can't do that. Not even on my cpu. I think I'm gonna run over my phone and turn it in on insurance. Free phone. And if I wait enough I could get an EVO.
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It comes with root. If you lost root, you need to reflash.
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Fresh 2.1 and I lost root. Es file always let me hit back to get to the root files and when I flashed 2.1 I can't do that.
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Do you have superuser whitelist installed? The only way to lose root is to flash the official HTC/Sprint RUU. Es was updated in 2.1, so it may just be a difference in version. I don't believe Es will request root anyway, try downloading Root Explorer. The quickest way to check if you have root is to run a terminal emulator and type su.
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Just curious how many people loaded the 2.1 Update and have now lost root.
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The simple fact that this number is > 0 baffles me...why would anyone be a member on this site if they didn't care about root
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The simple fact that this number is > 0 baffles me...why would anyone be a member on this site if they didn't care about root
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They don't know any better.
On one of my phones I run the latest ruu and obviously don't have root on the other running fresh 2.od with updates and I have root
WTF? 11 of you!?!?!?!
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On one of my phones I run the latest ruu and obviously don't have root on the other running fresh 2.od with updates and I have root
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I'm not trying to be offensive, I simply don't understand the benefit of not having root. Why did you not root your other hero?
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WTF? 11 of you!?!?!?!
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Could be worse. Those 11 could have started threads *****ing and moaning as to why they don't have root and for someone to fix it now.
I only recall one thread asking about root but wasn't complaining.
UR so funny.
I took the plunge when the first leak came out after seeing ALL the posts about what if and why for's.
I stated then that I would run the RUU and then try to root.
I tried three (3) ways and it didn't work.
I posted the results HUGE and big for those asking why and when.
I took one for the TEAM so to speak and am willing to wait for a new root without crying about it.
Push comes to shove I buy a new phone if I need it that bad.
So the number of 11 doesn't really seem all that out of line as others did in fact run the RUU before anyone made an effort to actually attempt it and have verifiable results.
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I'm not trying to be offensive, I simply don't understand the benefit of not having root. Why did you not root your other hero?
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Okay this is hard for some people to understand but if you got two phones all to yourself and you don't care what happens to one. It would be of great benefit to the community if you leave one unrooted so when someone needs a beta tester to test whether or not a new root procedure works I'm here to help them beta test the procedure. Plus I wanted to test a couple things out that could only be done if I flashed the 2.1 ruu not to be confused with rom.
WOW, seriously, all of you ran the RUU?
afma_afma, bkplante, bubbacs1, dhinez, HotrodHG, kwbunn, matthewman3, NeoFL, rockcrawler, ThatGuyFromSprint, vortex91, yfernandez
yup...i did....
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WOW, seriously, all of you ran the RUU?
afma_afma, bkplante, bubbacs1, dhinez, HotrodHG, kwbunn, matthewman3, NeoFL, rockcrawler, ThatGuyFromSprint, vortex91, yfernandez
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Got sick of dicking around with different ROMS. Plus this thing is going on Craigslist soon for an Evo. /shrug
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WOW, seriously, all of you ran the RUU?]
i got 4 heros on family plans. moms/dads are not rooted so yup i got them on official 2.1
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I recently aquired the Vibrant and all I have to say is OMG this is a fnatastic phone. it blows my cliq, cliq xt, and g1 out of the water.
Anywho, the one question I have now that my phone is rooted and has the clockworkmod recovery is when the 2.2 update releases around september-ish, will this effect the phone being able to update like it did for the cliq, or will i be able to flash 2.2 from root and just lose root. i would be ok with it at that point because 2.2 takes care of all the issues that i have with 2.1 update1. the only reason i know this is because i have 2.2 on the g1 and its amazing. any thlughts on the matter?
once rooted on this phone, you have to wait for one of the devs to dump a 2.2 flashable rom to get the update. This is why I am gladly waiting to get the ota before considering rooting. I love the phone as it is.
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once rooted on this phone, you have to wait for one of the devs to dump a 2.2 flashable rom to get the update. This is why I am gladly waiting to get the ota before considering rooting. I love the phone as it is.
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yeah but I heard that if you just root only, you will be able to get the OTA update as you are still using the stock ROM. But if you are using a modified dev ROM, then yeah it will not auto update.
Can anyone confirm this?
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yeah but I heard that if you just root only, you will be able to get the OTA update as you are still using the stock ROM. But if you are using a modified dev ROM, then yeah it will not auto update.
Can anyone confirm this?
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Yes this is the case, if all you do is root the phone, you will still get Tmobile updates. You might lose root, but as was pointed out in a similar thread, Samsung doesn't seem to care about locking things up, so you should be able to root again easily.
ok so its more in line with what the g1 used to do if you didnt go onto a modified rom. with the cliq, even if you root and are on the stock rom, you still cant load the ota update because it fails when you try to load it once downloaded. i dont mind losing root once 2.2 comes out, i just want to make sure i can get it. i was thinking of going back to stock without root, but i'm having some trouble getting the phone in download mode
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Yes this is the case, if all you do is root the phone, you will still get Tmobile updates. You might lose root, but as was pointed out in a similar thread, Samsung doesn't seem to care about locking things up, so you should be able to root again easily.
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Thanks for the input. Has this been the case for any other phone? Where rooting only will still get you OTA updates, or is this a theory?
Thanks~
I'm tempted to root my phone, and install a ROM, BUT is it really worth it? Should I have more patience and wait for 2.2 ROMS? Im worried if I root it now, then 2.2 comes out Ill have to restore it back to stock. I also heard if you have a rooted phone and a major update (like froyo) comes out your pretty much bricked. Advice needed?
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I'm tempted to root my phone, and install a ROM, BUT is it really worth it? Should I have more patience and wait for 2.2 ROMS? Im worried if I root it now, then 2.2 comes out Ill have to restore it back to stock. I also heard if you have a rooted phone and a major update (like froyo) comes out your pretty much bricked. Advice needed?
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Wrong section.
Root it. You can always unroot your phone and go back to stock. Ive done it plenty of time. Read through the forums....there are plenty of instructions on how to
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Agreed on rooting. The stock phone software is really crappy. I'm not sure how you live with it?
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Agreed on rooting. The stock phone software is really crappy. I'm not sure how you live with it?
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You can always flash back to stock if you don't like what you did to it. I end up flashing to stock, then flashing to a rom every other week or so to clean any messes with my phone. You'll learn how to do it right and how to fix. But start by reading the stickies, and asking the guys on irc if you have questions.
I'ld be more concerned that if you get the OTA before you root, that the update will close the exploit and make it impossible to root afterwards. If you root now, you may have to wait a day or two longer for Froyo. But if you plan to root after (or if you unroot for an OTA), you may have to wait a lot longer for a new root method.
Root and ROM. no question about it. We haven't even heard a release date or even a time frame for when the Fascinate will get it. I know everyone bashes me for this but the bottom line is no one has ever came out and said that the fascinate will get it on this date. Maybe the galaxy S is. But not the VERIZON FASCINATE
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