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Seems alot of this "everyone will unroot for 2.1" vs. "no one will unroot for 2.1" arguments is going on. Personally, I'd say you'd have to be a fool to unroot for 2.1. Toast has about everything but the camera working, Darch is getting an AOSP built. Even if Sprint DOES release it first, XDA will have custom ROMs up within 24 hours.
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Yes, I made a typo on the poll.
Probably, assuming I can use one of the 1.5 RUUs to go back.
On another note, I anticipate that once the official 2.1 is released, all of the current 2.1 builds will basically dissolve and, eventually, all future development will be based on the official 2.1 release.
That's just a guess, but I think it's a good one.
Nandroid muthafucka, can you use it?
Using RA to go back to 1.5 and then doing the RUU is the only way I've gotten it to work.
Get an "Error 180" otherwise.
I'm assuming that the 2.1 update will overwrite RA the way the 1.5 RUU does.
If it doesn't, then of course restoring a Nandroid directly will be sufficient. If it does, then I'll need to go back to the 1.5 RUU, then root, then apply the backup.
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Seems alot of this "everyone will unroot for 2.1" vs. "no one will unroot for 2.1" arguments is going on. Personally, I'd say you'd have to be a fool to unroot for 2.1. Toast has about everything but the camera working, Darch is getting an AOSP built. Even if Sprint DOES release it first, XDA will have custom ROMs up within 24 hours.
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First things first, I think the answer mostly depends on if someone tries it and reports whether they can root again afterwards or not.
If so, I believe many will unroot and upgrade.
If not, I doubt anyone here will do it.
Secondly, Toast's 2.1 build, while great(I use it daily) is not even close to the final 2.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elDD2mxE4ak
^^ Something a bit more like what we will have
Ah crap, I thought you meant you'd keep root.
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I'm assuming that the 2.1 update will overwrite RA the way the 1.5 RUU does.
If it doesn't, then of course restoring a Nandroid directly will be sufficient. If it does, then I'll need to go back to the 1.5 RUU, then root, then apply the backup.
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Potential problem being you may not be able to go back to the 1.5 RUU.
For example, if you flash Sprint's second RUU that was released, you are then unable to flash the original one.
So it may end up being you cannot go back to 1.5. Not sure how likely this is though due to the operating system version change, they may allow you to go back because some users may not like it(for some reason )
No, here at XDA some cool guy will probably make a better ROM based on 2.1
I agree that I will probably wait to see if someone can still root after the update if yes then I will probably go back and update then root again. if not then I will wait for one of the great devs here to release a rom built off the official 2.1 so I can keep root
You'd be a fool to unroot for 2.1. After you unroot, it might take weeks, months, or years to find a new exploit to root again. I say keep root and wait until our awesome devs have a rooted version up
I might unroot, but then again I don't want to wait for a root exploit ...
so I might stay rooted and wait for the devs to come out with a nice suitable ROM ...
I'm gonna wait for an root exploit before locking my phone down again with the 2.1 official. Then i'll probably try the official 2.1, not like it, and go back to an XDA 2.1
I give it about 72 hours before my curiosity gets the better of me, but only if there isn't already a viable 2.1 release here.
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I would unroot for the update, simply because i have so much faith in the dev community. Im sure they will be able to root it again.
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I would unroot for the update, simply because i have so much faith in the dev community. Im sure they will be able to root it again.
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You love the dev community, yet you'll unroot in hopes they'll be able to root it?
Why not just wait for them to put up a custom ROM and keep root? I really doubt it'll take longer than a few hours, maybe a day to put out a fully working ROM
Well, i didnt say i wouldnt give them time either, ill wait about 2 or 3 days for them to make a custom rom, but i am so damn excited about the update i really am feeling like i am getting the short stick with the cdma hero on sprint. honestly the update needs to come asap.
why would anyone unroot to update? it would only take ten minutes to extract their build and just make an update.zip out of it. u flash it and its as good as sprints ruu. even better because u wont have to worry about root or upgrading to the next android version. lets not forget 2.1 isnt the end of the road for android. as soon as they start releasing updates for it. u can bet they are already working on the next build of android. but yeah i wouldnt unroot for the update. ill just get it, exstact it, make an update zip, and flash that sucker. then go back and tear it apart and start adding all the stuff sprint was to cheap or to dumb to add while removing all the bull they did add. i bet it wont take but an hour before an update.zip hits the forum after sprint releases it.
NOT going to unroot i love the custom roms
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why would anyone unroot to update? it would only take ten minutes to extract their build and just make an update.zip out of it. u flash it and its as good as sprints ruu. even better because u wont have to worry about root or upgrading to the next android version. lets not forget 2.1 isnt the end of the road for android. as soon as they start releasing updates for it. u can bet they are already working on the next build of android. but yeah i wouldnt unroot for the update. ill just get it, exstact it, make an update zip, and flash that sucker. then go back and tear it apart and start adding all the stuff sprint was to cheap or to dumb to add while removing all the bull they did add. i bet it wont take but an hour before an update.zip hits the forum after sprint releases it.
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Hey Guys,
My wife has had the official Sprint 2.1 on her phone for a month or so and has had nothing, but problems. I am sure she would love to go back to stock 1.5 and I know she really doesn't want me to root her phone, but I am just wondering what options I have to get her something more stable. Her phone really has worked horrible since the update, I have been on various 2.1 roms for months and have not had near the problems she has had. Thanks for any ideas.
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Hey Guys,
My wife has had the official Sprint 2.1 on her phone for a month or so and has had nothing, but problems. I am sure she would love to go back to stock 1.5 and I know she really doesn't want me to root her phone, but I am just wondering what options I have to get her something more stable. Her phone really has worked horrible since the update, I have been on various 2.1 roms for months and have not had near the problems she has had. Thanks for any ideas.
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i say go ahead and root it. i was so scared when i rooted mine but it was all pretty easy. and its almost impossible to brick your phone. and then flash this rom
its the stock 2.1 rom just rooted and literally no issues and a major speed increase. my 2cents
It is not an issue of me rooting her phone. My phone is rooted and has been forever. I flash roms all the time. She does not want her phone rooted, but if that is the only option I might be able to convince her. However I am not convinced anything stock even with root would be a good option.
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but if that is the only option
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That is your only option. The way HTC designed this phone you cannot downgrade back to 1.5 unless HTC put out a new RUU to do so(which isn't going to happen).
If she wants 1.5 then you have to root to do so.
My wife didnt want me to root her samsung moment. I did it anyways, and she couldnt be happier. Have it overclocked as well.
Just dont tell the wife...they'll never know. Woman don't like technology change. You have to override that.
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Just dont tell the wife...they'll never know. Woman don't like technology change. You have to override that.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
I was going to say the same thing. Just root it and flash a ROM and say here you go. She can always run the 2.1 RUU again.
See, your problem is, you need your Wife to be rooted so you can have SU access.
Once you do that, then you can root her phone.....
Well I can tell she is frustrated, when she just looked at me and said "I don't care just get it fixed." Now I just need to read up on how to root a stock 2.1 since I did mine back at 1.5.
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Well I can tell she is frustrated, when she just looked at me and said "I don't care just get it fixed." Now I just need to read up on how to root a stock 2.1 since I did mine back at 1.5.
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i think they make an app where you can just click on it and its rooted. i'll find it real quick
here is the link to that http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695698
or follow the GUIDE in the development section. It takes 8 min to root the stock 2.1 RUU. Hopefully she's on the .5 build tho. Very simple
Once rooted, even if running the stock ROM with su permissions, will I be able to even receive OTA updates (Froyo)? Or be solely responsible for flashing the firmware myself? Had a G1 before this but I ended up rooting it after all the updates to 1.6 had been sent out, so I'm unfamiliar how the world of rooting and OTA's collide. I would prefer to do as little modding as possible, even though my vibrant is much more of a high end phone than the G1, it got to a point where I was constantly flashing my phone with new mods and hacks and roms, and it got kind of frustrating having little things wrong here and there. I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.
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Once rooted, even if running the stock ROM with su permissions, will I be able to even receive OTA updates (Froyo)? Or be solely responsible for flashing the firmware myself? Had a G1 before this but I ended up rooting it after all the updates to 1.6 had been sent out, so I'm unfamiliar how the world of rooting and OTA's collide. I would prefer to do as little modding as possible, even though my vibrant is much more of a high end phone than the G1, it got to a point where I was constantly flashing my phone with new mods and hacks and roms, and it got kind of frustrating having little things wrong here and there. I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.
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I'm sure right before the update becomes available you'll hear about it and you can always unroot ...
if you install the OTA, you will download the OTA (which is a NON ROOTED update) therefore making your phone get UNROOTED. now, you WANT do avoid installing the OTA's because they will unroot you, but since you aren't running a custom rom on your phone, you WILL get the OTA from t-mobile, you just have to force urself to DECLINE the install (if you want to keep root) you can update to the OTA release if you want to get rid of root, but if you wait a couple days, someone will have hacked a rooted version of the update.
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if you install the OTA, you will download the OTA (which is a NON ROOTED update) therefore making your phone get UNROOTED. now, you WANT do avoid installing the OTA's because they will unroot you, but since you aren't running a custom rom on your phone, you WILL get the OTA from t-mobile, you just have to force urself to DECLINE the install (if you want to keep root) you can update to the OTA release if you want to get rid of root, but if you wait a couple days, someone will have hacked a rooted version of the update.
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or you can just re-root...correct?
most of the time when an ota update comes out they patch the exploit used to root... this probably will not happen with the galaxy s series phones... 1)Samsung intends to sell 10 million of these phones... 2)It wasnt an exploit, it was left open to begin with
I'm not even sure if T-mobile cares. They allow their customers to post information about rooting their phones on their own forum.
I would post the link but I'm not allowed until my account has been verified.
oh lol, the way i worded my post was inferring that the new update would have "patched" the way to get root, but your responses make me think otherwise lol.
Better safe than sorry if Root is important to you. Wait for a guinea pig to update and verify if root is still an option or not.....
I was wondering the same thing too, but I have deleted most of the bloat ware that came with the brand. So after the ota and unroot, will these programs be reinstalled?
And if I did a factory reset would it restore the bloat ware and unroot the phone?
I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.[/QUOTE]
Is add free really that important? If you don't want a 3mm bar on your screen buy the app. I click the add every time I open an app that is free. If you don't then all the dev will make apple apps... Just kind of selfish if you where to ask me.
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Not like we're getting an update ever. =|
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bauerlucas said:
Just kind of selfish if you where to ask me.
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He didn't ask you.
disturkis4u said:
Not like we're getting an update ever. =|
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Looks like this is the case for the moment. Maybe we will see something soon though, but I still would like to know about my questions.
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I was wondering the same thing too, but I have deleted most of the bloat ware that came with the brand. So after the ota and unroot, will these programs be reinstalled?
And if I did a factory reset would it restore the bloat ware and unroot the phone?
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Rather then making another thread about this, id just like to ask it here.
i know this has been asked about a million times, but i need to make in a million and one.
im rooted, clockwork recovery, mobile ap installed, and JAC kernel. I do not have any custom roms installed. Because of the custom kernel, im guessing that will keep me from receiving OTA?
I recently aquired the Vibrant and all I have to say is OMG this is a fnatastic phone. it blows my cliq, cliq xt, and g1 out of the water.
Anywho, the one question I have now that my phone is rooted and has the clockworkmod recovery is when the 2.2 update releases around september-ish, will this effect the phone being able to update like it did for the cliq, or will i be able to flash 2.2 from root and just lose root. i would be ok with it at that point because 2.2 takes care of all the issues that i have with 2.1 update1. the only reason i know this is because i have 2.2 on the g1 and its amazing. any thlughts on the matter?
once rooted on this phone, you have to wait for one of the devs to dump a 2.2 flashable rom to get the update. This is why I am gladly waiting to get the ota before considering rooting. I love the phone as it is.
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once rooted on this phone, you have to wait for one of the devs to dump a 2.2 flashable rom to get the update. This is why I am gladly waiting to get the ota before considering rooting. I love the phone as it is.
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yeah but I heard that if you just root only, you will be able to get the OTA update as you are still using the stock ROM. But if you are using a modified dev ROM, then yeah it will not auto update.
Can anyone confirm this?
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yeah but I heard that if you just root only, you will be able to get the OTA update as you are still using the stock ROM. But if you are using a modified dev ROM, then yeah it will not auto update.
Can anyone confirm this?
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Yes this is the case, if all you do is root the phone, you will still get Tmobile updates. You might lose root, but as was pointed out in a similar thread, Samsung doesn't seem to care about locking things up, so you should be able to root again easily.
ok so its more in line with what the g1 used to do if you didnt go onto a modified rom. with the cliq, even if you root and are on the stock rom, you still cant load the ota update because it fails when you try to load it once downloaded. i dont mind losing root once 2.2 comes out, i just want to make sure i can get it. i was thinking of going back to stock without root, but i'm having some trouble getting the phone in download mode
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Yes this is the case, if all you do is root the phone, you will still get Tmobile updates. You might lose root, but as was pointed out in a similar thread, Samsung doesn't seem to care about locking things up, so you should be able to root again easily.
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Thanks for the input. Has this been the case for any other phone? Where rooting only will still get you OTA updates, or is this a theory?
Thanks~
Hey guys I just got my vibrant back and I was wondering if I should root it, or just wait for froyo to release?
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Joshochoa187 said:
Hey guys I just got my vibrant back and I was wondering if I should root it, or just wait for froyo to release?
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Rooting isn't hard at all. You should go ahead & root now
+1 on the root now. While your at it install a custom rom and you will love your phone. Odds are you can get the Froyo update right here before it hits OTA anyways.
Yeah I've rooted my vibrant before I had to get a new one. It is easy but I would probably have to un root it to update right?
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I don't understand what waiting would do. What you should NOT do is get the Froyo update from T-Mobile, as there is a chance that they will push an update that breaks your ability to root with 2.2 and you will have to wait even longer.
I recommended you root now, install Rom Manager, go to this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=813001
Download Fusion 1.1 to your SDCARD (I have a folder called ROMS) and go to Clockwork, reboot into Recovery, Reinstall Packages, Install ZIP from SDCARD, choose Bionix 1.1, wait, and then see what that phone is really capable of.
Using Fusion 1.1 makes me not mind waiting for Froyo.
Yeah you are right it's just I haven't got to comfortable w/ flashing roms just yet. Looks a bit hard I guess I will just keep watching the videos on it till I feel like I can do it
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Flashing roms is super easy as long as you're using ones flashable through rom manager. I must warn you it's very addictive. The only thing I would say is make your you backup in case something goes wrong and avoid Voodoo until you've flashed a few times and feel more comfortable. Great thing is there is tons of support here. I suggest you try Bionix Final.
Well guys I'm pretty convinced I think im going to do it I'm going to look into it thanx alot for your input
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I should still be able to root even tho I did the recent ota right?
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Joshochoa187 said:
I should still be able to root even tho I did the recent ota right?
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Yes you can.
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Well guys I'm pretty convinced I think im going to do it I'm going to look into it thanx alot for your input
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Dooo eeet!
Yes, it's daunting at first to flash a new ROM, but I just did it for the first time a few weeks ago and it was simple and easy. Just read up as much as you can and then write up a "roadmap" on all the steps you need to take, before, during, and after. It removed a lot of headaches for me because I planned it all out and had all the software ready in case anything went wrong (Odin, stock ROM, etc.). If there are any gaps in your understanding or questions about a process, ask them here before you flash!
I would root it and load a custom ROM, waiting for official OTA update to Froyo is like playing a Russian roulette now. Look what a simple update that was suppsoed to address GPS and other issues did to your fellow TMO users.
As always, there will be people who wouldn't even know that you can root the device to make it your own, so they will always run stock, and complain to TMO when they click MobiTV app and never use it, but have to cough up 10 bucks a month for it (it is just an example).
If you came here you know that you can do something to your phone besides waiting for Froyo, take a full advantage of what is offered in the dev section, and don't forget to support the developers if you like the work they do
Ok I'm reading the thread you posted how do I preform nandroid back up?
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Joshochoa187 said:
Hey guys I just got my vibrant back and I was wondering if I should root it, or just wait for froyo to release?
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If you are going to root, you might as well just do it.
Froyo could easily be 2-3 months down the road yet.
you need ROM manager...
it took me forever to find a how-to on this exact thing.
You have to be rooted in order to accomplish this:
1. root (obviously)
2. download ROM manager
3. open ROM manager and click on 'Flash ClockworkMod Recovery' and pick your phone.
4. click 'Backup Current ROM'
5. Let it do it's thing... it's going to reboot and run in recovery then reboot again.
6. You are done!!
To recover, you have to boot into clockwork recovery and click restore then pick the date file you made to recover to that date!
** If any of this is wrong, please call me out!!
Yeah, I started doing all this before I even discovered ROM Manager and ClockworkMod Recovery. Those tools definitely make everything so much easier.
Make sure you have the following software tools:
ADB
Odin
Rom Manager (w/ ClockworkMod Recovery installed)
Titanium Backup
Also, make sure your phone is not hardware locked before you begin. Try the standard procedure to enter Recovery Mode; if your phone is hardware locked, run the flashable fix (found in the dev forum) so that you have some way of recovering from a soft brick.
From my experiences, rooting has always been the fastest way to get updates. Those rollouts take forever.
Just rooted and installed fusion 1.1 it's great thanx for the tips guys
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Just rooted and installed fusion 1.1 it's great thanx for the tips guys
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Way to go!
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lol. i was waiting for a froyo release, i flashed my g1 a bunch so flashing wasn't a big deal, but i was happy with the phone stock for a bit and didn't mind waiting. but i rooted after a week. was flashing smaller things like ji2 gps, getting rid of bloatware, changing bootup/shutdown, etc. a couple weeks later. and a couple weeks after that i started flashing roms.
moral of the story? just root and start flashing now, it's a long wait.