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Nexus S 1st day report from N1 owner - 2nd report up

2nd Report here 12/19/10: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9939308&postcount=43
Hi, I know many of you are considering or at least curious about the Nexus S. Admittedly one day is hardly any time to play with a phone properly, I don't even think a week is enough, but here are some things that I would like to point out.
1) Screen is beautiful. I can't even explain how good it is. I've played with a friend's fascinate before, and playing with it vs having it for a whole day are 2 different things. I've had my N1 with me the whole time and I have to say the screen is just a night and day difference.
2) I've not noticed *any* speed increase in any possible way on this phone. I use Enom's ROM on my N1 which as you know is a stock based ROM, with Launcher Pro, and nothing is faster on the NS as far as I've noticed. Going from app to app, going to home screen, swiping between home screens. Which may be moot because nothing opens "slow" on my N1 that I've ever had a problem with.
3) Browser has not improved a BIT! I was thinking with the hummingbird processor and the amazing GPU that the NS has that there would be significant improvement in browsing. None whatsoever. Pages don't load any faster than on my N1, and more disturbingly Flash content also doesn't work ANY better. On high quality flash content, it still chugs just as much as the N1 does. This is the main reason why my phone may be going back before the 30 days are up.
4) NoLed is a life saver, but it's no replacement for trackball notifications.
5) Battery life and signal strength do seem to be a bit better on the NS.
6) GPS doesn't have any problems as far as I can tell. I've used it twice today and it's obtained a lock in the same amount of time the N1 takes.
7) Tried 2 games, dot2 and angry birds. AB seems to run a little smoother on the NS, dot2 seems to run worse :S
Overall, the lack of any real performance increase (save for the app drawer, which is the ONLY place I've noticed it), I'm most likely going to return the phone to Best Buy and just get it used when it's a lot cheaper on craigslist.
I hope this information is helpful.

Man, I was really hoping the NS browser would be better. Having Flash content on Android is great, but still has its issues.
How much better is the multi-touch? Thats my main complaint with the N1. I get a lot of miss touches and double hits, especially when using the kb at times.
BTW, could you post some shots of the N1 and MS screens side by side, or maybe a video of them running the same apps where you see increased performance on one or the other?

tr.slate said:
Man, I was really hoping the NS browser would be better. Having Flash content on Android is great, but still has its issues.
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Flash still has desktop issues, how would it ever get good performance on a 4" inch device. (For example, a certain Wendy's Advert makes my cursor blink in an annoying fashion until I close that page) Flash is just lucky the alternatives are not nearly developed enough.
I have a feeling Google is going to regret the Nexus S after they see the LG Optimus X2. There is just no reason to buy a Nexus S when you could have had a dual core, better GPU based phone.

I think flash being slow has mostly to do with adobes crappy flash not htc or samsung. And I find it hard to believe there is no performance increase. This is by far the fastest / best android phone to get. Not sure if it's worth the upgrade for me being a vibrant owner.

Guys... if you have done any research u should know that the GPU in the Galaxy S phones is faster than the GPU in the LG Optimus X2...

If anyone is on the fence about this or waiting for Tegra 2, Flash works amazingly on the Viewsonic gtab with Tegra 2. Despite the fact that the device is very young and unoptimised it plays every flash video I have thrown at it perfectly smooth. Even fast paced action videos like surfing and downhill mountain biking. Full screen or embedded in the webpage at any zoom level and at higher resolution than the Nexus S too (1024x600).
The same flash videos play at about 12fps on the Nexus One and Captivate. The Captivate with JPU rom is a little faster and smoother at everything else at the moment though.
The browser in Galaxy S JPU rom seems far smoother than the one on the Nexus S from all the videos I've seen. Strange they haven't ported the improvements over to it.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that the browser on the gTablet isn't any better than the N1 aside from Flash.

ksc6000 said:
Hi, I know many of you are considering or at least curious about the Nexus S. Admittedly one day is hardly any time to play with a phone properly, I don't even think a week is enough, but here are some things that I would like to point out.
1) Screen is beautiful. I can't even explain how good it is. I've played with a friend's fascinate before, and playing with it vs having it for a whole day are 2 different things. I've had my N1 with me the whole time and I have to say the screen is just a night and day difference.
2) I've not noticed *any* speed increase in any possible way on this phone. I use Enom's ROM on my N1 which as you know is a stock based ROM, with Launcher Pro, and nothing is faster on the NS as far as I've noticed. Going from app to app, going to home screen, swiping between home screens. Which may be moot because nothing opens "slow" on my N1 that I've ever had a problem with.
3) Browser has not improved a BIT! I was thinking with the hummingbird processor and the amazing GPU that the NS has that there would be significant improvement in browsing. None whatsoever. Pages don't load any faster than on my N1, and more disturbingly Flash content also doesn't work ANY better. On high quality flash content, it still chugs just as much as the N1 does. This is the main reason why my phone may be going back before the 30 days are up.
4) NoLed is a life saver, but it's no replacement for trackball notifications.
5) Battery life and signal strength do seem to be a bit better on the NS.
6) GPS doesn't have any problems as far as I can tell. I've used it twice today and it's obtained a lock in the same amount of time the N1 takes.
7) Tried 2 games, dot2 and angry birds. AB seems to run a little smoother on the NS, dot2 seems to run worse :S
Overall, the lack of any real performance increase (save for the app drawer, which is the ONLY place I've noticed it), I'm most likely going to return the phone to Best Buy and just get it used when it's a lot cheaper on craigslist.
I hope this information is helpful.
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You should remember that not all the apps/games have had the chance to incorporate all the new APIs yet. The devs need to update their apps first.

Thanks for the hands on summary. Wouldn't blame U if deciding to take it back...

the nexus s sounds totally like something i should skip
heck ... i imagine later on xda would get most all the Ns googles into all the galaxy line up except NFC ...

Watching Amazon Video on Demand with my N1 was always choppy. Watching it on my OCed G2 is actually pretty smooth most of the time.

Here are some hard facts about NexusS performance:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4059/nexus-s-and-android-23-review-gingerbread-for-the-holidays/8

I like to skip one generation at a time. To me the nexus s didn't advance far enough for me to abandon the 1. Besides. Mine is in flawless condition (although its my 3rd)

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Guys... if you have done any research u should know that the GPU in the Galaxy S phones is faster than the GPU in the LG Optimus X2...
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by a slim margine but the benefits of a dual core far exceed a single core along with SD slot and should be on 4g.

tr.slate said:
Man, I was really hoping the NS browser would be better. Having Flash content on Android is great, but still has its issues.
How much better is the multi-touch? Thats my main complaint with the N1. I get a lot of miss touches and double hits, especially when using the kb at times.
BTW, could you post some shots of the N1 and MS screens side by side, or maybe a video of them running the same apps where you see increased performance on one or the other?
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The multitouch is perfect. I've used the "yet another multi touch" testing app and it can notice 5-6 touch points (from what I've tried) and not have any problem distinguishing them or mixing them up during movement.
There really is no need for me to post any video of anything because like I said, except for the app drawer, I haven't noticed ANY performance increase in the phone.

draugaz said:
Here are some hard facts about NexusS performance:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4059/nexus-s-and-android-23-review-gingerbread-for-the-holidays/8
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Great link, man. It's nice to see the numbers like that. I think any individual test doesn't mean a whole lot, but looking at them in total... I'm glad I didn't get the S lol.

Your results from flash are pretty disheartening.
Can you try www.engadget.com/video ? Are there really no performance differences?

Paul22000 said:
Your results from flash are pretty disheartening.
Can you try www.engadget.com/video ? Are there really no performance differences?
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Paul I will try that on my N1 and my NS when I get home and am on wifi and will report back here.

ksc6000 said:
There really is no need for me to post any video of anything because like I said, except for the app drawer, I haven't noticed ANY performance increase in the phone.
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Hmm, you might not notice it, but that doesn't mean the performance increase isn't there necessarily. Perhaps it's subtle, or perhaps some apps take advantage and some don't.
Check out this new article from Anandtech:
GLBenchmark 2.0 Released - Modern SoCs Benchmarked
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4064/glbenchmark-20-released-modern-socs-benchmarked
by Brian Klug on 12/17/2010 2:08:00 AM
Posted in Smartphones , GLBenchmark , SoC
We're constantly on the lookout for new benchmarks to use for benchmarking the latest SoCs in devices. Today, Kishonti Informatics released GLBenchmark 2.0, the latest version of its popular GLBenchmark suite for measuring 3D graphics performance across a host of platforms: iOS, Android, Symbian, Windows Mobile, and Maemo. We've been testing it out for a while now and have some numbers of our own and from the community results. The end result is yet another look at how 3D performance stacks up between nearly all modern SoCs.
GLBenchmark 2.0 - as its name implies - tests OpenGL ES 2.0 performance on compatible devices. The suite includes two long benchmarking scenarios with a demanding combination of OpenGL ES 2.0 effects, and individual tests such as swap buffer speed (for determining the framerate cap), texture fill, triangle, and geometric tests. GLBenchmark 2.0 also leverages texture based and direct lighting, bump, environment, and radiance mapping, soft shadows, vertex shader based skinning, level of detail support, multi-pass deferred rendering, noise textures, and ETC1 texture compression.
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We've been testing devices for a little while now and have a decent enough spread to make for some interesting comparison. The only extra consideration is that all of these were run at the device's respective native resolution. There's no way to change resolution, and likewise numbers cannot be scaled linearly because we may be memory bandwidth limited on some devices. GLBenchmark will join our benchmark suite for devices going forward.
First are the resolutions (native) of the devices themselves:
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Device Resolutions - GLBenchmark Native Resolution
Google Nexus One 800x480 WVGA
LG Optimus One 320x480 HVGA
T-Mobile myTouch 4G 800x480 WVGA
Samsung Fascinate 800x480 WVGA
Google Nexus S 800x480 WVGA
HTC EVO 4G 800x480 WVGA
Apple iPhone 4 960x640 DVGA
Apple iPad 1024x768 XGA
Motorola Droid 854x480 FWVGA
T-Mobile G2 800x480 WVGA
Nokia N900 800x480 WVGA
Apple iPhone 3GS 320x480 HVGA
Thankfully, comparison across devices running Android is easy thanks to the relatively standard WVGA resolution guidelines for high end devices.
GLBenchmark 2.0 - Egypt:
GLBenchmark 2.0 - PRO:
The first benchmark, Egypt, tests OpenGL ES 2.0 and represents the newest and most demanding benchmark. The second - GLBenchmark PRO - represents a suite that tests OpenGL ES 1.1 performance. Moving forward we will report these whenever possible on smartphone reviews.
Gallery: GLBenchmark Scenes - Egypt and PRO
It's pretty apparent right now that PowerVR SGX 540 still holds the lead, though the new 45 nm Qualcomms with Adreno 205 are a huge jump forwards from Adreno 200 performance wise. It's interesting that it looks like we're GPU or memory bandwidth bound on those new Qualcomms, as evidenced by the similar results the myTouch 4G and G2 post despite a 200 MHz CPU clock disparity.
http://www.youtube.com/v/C61xvxsUcTY?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0&hd=1
Overall, GLBenchmark is designed to showcase some of the OpenGL ES 2.0 features that developers may potentially use in future gaming titles. There are a lot more low level tests which we'll be playing around with in the future and using to test in much more detail.
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No I am sure that there are significant performance increases in terms of graphics for games and whatnot...but I'm saying that I haven't noticed any in daily use. Opening or closing apps, swiping between homescreens IS laggy once you put a lot of icons and stuff on there (unlike Launcher Pro..more on that next). Viewing websites, typing, scrolling is a little smoother in some places and some places it's the same...
Interestingly, once I installed launcher pro, the home screen swiping is now back to being as smooth as should be, but the app drawer on Launcher Pro is MORE laggy than it is on the N1 lol. If there was a way that when u hit the app drawer, LauncherPro would open the stock app drawer which is extremely buttery smooth, that would be awesome.

Paul22000 said:
Hmm, you might not notice it, but that doesn't mean the performance increase isn't there necessarily. Perhaps it's subtle, or perhaps some apps take advantage and some don't.
Check out this new article from Anandtech:
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Thanks for that, Paul. When they say:
It's interesting that it looks like we're GPU or memory bandwidth bound on those new Qualcomms, as evidenced by the similar results the myTouch 4G and G2 post despite a 200 MHz CPU clock disparity.
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What are your thoughts on this? If we're GPU-bound, dual core Snapdragon's won't help much. If it's a memory issue...is that solvable with the Adreno 205? I don't the S as a decent upgrade (despite some advantages, which I admit exist). I was leaning towards the LG Star or the new Moto dual core, but I see some advantages to sticking with HTC and the Qualcomm chip sets. (First, I've only used HTC for the last 5 years, despite purchasing other handsets for family/backup. Second, I was told the Snapdragon is held back by the GPU, and actually posts better FPU than the Hummingbird. Now that the 205s are present, I was seriously considering waiting for a dual core HTC device...)
Anyway, let me ask it this way, as this is the bottom line for a lot of us (though feel free to address any of the technical specs and reasons why): Which manufacturer do you think is better suited to kick out a killer device over the next 4 to 6 months? Is it Samsung, should they go dual core Hummingbird? (and we'll leave cheap plastic out of it, speaking only of internals and performance.) Do you feel it would be HTC with dual core Snapdragons and the 205s? LG with the Nvidia Tegra2 (unsure of their GPU and respective performance)? Moto? Someone else?

Grand Theft Auto : San Andreas LAG

Morning all !
Grand Theft Auto : San Andreas
Did anyone else buy this via the play store yesterday on release ?
When they finally made a usable release !!
1.03 now I think
Does anyone else think the performance is very bad for a new phone that's meant to be one of the more powerful handsets on the market ?
I've tried everything to get the game to run as smooth as it does on the Note 2 and other Mali 400 devices( which look like the can run the game as nice as the iPhone's do ! , the game lets us take control of the Graphics settings but ...everything set to low it runs above 30-40 but looks like a Lego city with no nice effects :crying:
everything on high it runs 10-15 fps.
Just stumbled really ! Is the Snapdragon 800 really not capable of keeping up ?
any suggestions or workarounds would be really appreciated - or even if you can confirm your device is choppy with this game.

that's because the note 2 has a 720p display so on ""max"" its gpu has to draw only 1280x720 pixels, meanwhile the N3 has fullhd display so the cpu has to draw more pixels and you want it to bear with highest settings. That's the bad thing about android - every time a more powerful procesor comes out it gets nerfed down by the more pixel displays, so performance of games stays about the same (sometimes even worsens)
Worst part is the batteries evolve with speed nowhere close to the speed of pixels and cpus evolution
after fullHD I think all companies should take a 2 year break and focus on making more powerful and more power efficient processors + better batteries instead of adding more useless pixels which in normal conditions u can't even see...

mitaka963 said:
that's because the note 2 has a 720p display so on ""max"" its gpu has to draw only 1280x720 pixels, meanwhile the N3 has fullhd display so the cpu has to draw more pixels and you want it to bear with highest settings. That's the bad thing about android - every time a more powerful procesor comes out it gets nerfed down by the more pixel displays, so performance of games stays about the same (sometimes even worsens)
Worst part is the batteries evolve with speed nowhere close to the speed of pixels and cpus evolution
after fullHD I think all companies should take a 2 year break and focus on making more powerful and more power efficient processors + better batteries instead of adding more useless pixels which in normal conditions u can't even see...
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I get that but, how is it that this phone runs more intensive games better than my note 2 would
also in regards to the resolution, I'm having it set to the lowest in game ( looks like minecraft )
But yeah, They should stop being stupid with silly resolutions now, its almost UN-noticeable anymore

side dontryn
dude if u are set on lowest and u have lag, (i see you are using xnote) install latest xnote (version 7, based on ML2) and then try it, I was on xnote 6.0 and did a clean install (with wipe data) and am using the AOSP theme, no other mods/OCs and i just tested cracked SA (1.02) and on highest everything i have REALLY little lag idk, i would tell you to wipe cache but im not a dev and idk what might happen (i dont think anything bad can happen tho) xD
P.S. Are you sure you disabled Power Saving mode because that thing makes graphic intense games lag as **** because it forces cpu and gpu to use lower frequences than their max (to saving battery lol) so of course it will lag

mitaka963 said:
dude if u are set on lowest and u have lag, (i see you are using xnote) install latest xnote (version 7, based on ML2) and then try it, I was on xnote 6.0 and did a clean install (with wipe data) and am using the AOSP theme, no other mods/OCs and i just tested cracked SA (1.02) and on highest everything i have REALLY little lag idk, i would tell you to wipe cache but im not a dev and idk what might happen (i dont think anything bad can happen tho) xD
P.S. Are you sure you disabled Power Saving mode because that thing makes graphic intense games lag as **** because it forces cpu and gpu to use lower frequences than their max (to saving battery lol) so of course it will lag
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Wow - This actually worked a little, the FPS has defiantly gone up quite a bit, Its playable with decent settings now, bit laggy here and there on Max where as before it was just a constant lag fest.
Nah I always make sure my power saving mode is disabled before playing games !
Can i just ask what settings you use for a constant framerate 30-40+ ?
Display ( Heres mine ) this gets 30+ and very little below that
Visual Effects : High
Resolution: 100%
Draw distance: 70%
Shadows: Classic
Car reflections: Low
Ive thanked your prev post tho

(fsdgjakfhgkjhsafdgkjsdhgfjkhsdafsdaf my first thanks *dies*)
just installed fps tracking program
on complete max settings i get 25-30 fps with only sometimes dropping to 16-19fps (btw if you bought game from google play it may be different since its 1.03 and im using 1.02 (no-one has cracked 1.03 yet))
*2 minutes into testing random options*
WHAT THE STIH I GET LOWER FPS WHEN I LOWER DOWN GRAPHICS/VIEW DISTANCE/ RESOLUTION
LMAO
dude I don't think 25-30 fps is unplayable, i know that if you're a pc gamer most things under 60fps look kinda laggy (console peasants and their 30fps with upscaled resolution don't) but on phone it isn't really that noticable. I have no idea why the framerate drop appears at lower settings, am currently using
visual effects high
resolution 100
draw distance 50
shadows classic
car reflections detailed
and it drops to 5-9 fps every 20-30 seconds and it lasts about 5-10 seconds each time
*2 more minutes later*
I can confirm that on highest settings it runs smoother than on mid settings
i don't know how i feel about this...
just tried lowest settings and the program im using (FPS Meter, google play id - com.aatt.fpsm) shows 30-35 fps
ok now i think you were right, this game is fu**ed up
P.S. LOL im so dumb, just noticed, every time i said i was using max i actually had everything max except car reflection which was on detailed instead of max. just tested with max and it has GREAT impact on the fps, whenever a car runs into scene framerate drops from 25-30fps to 10-15 fps.
Ok so after this P.S. i decided to play around with car reflection options. It's the only thing that really changes framerate a lot. When everything else is max and car reflections is off i have stable 30 fps
i didn't get any 40+ fps tho, maybe its the fps tracking program, So i think best settings are everything max with car reflections off

mitaka963 said:
(fsdgjakfhgkjhsafdgkjsdhgfjkhsdafsdaf my first thanks *dies*)
just installed fps tracking program
on complete max settings i get 25-30 fps with only sometimes dropping to 16-19fps (btw if you bought game from google play it may be different since its 1.03 and im using 1.02 (no-one has cracked 1.03 yet))
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Haha, Good post.
I doubt 1.03 is much different apart from fixing the loading issue they had.
Yeah , coming from PC gaming has really given me a bad eye for fps, if its under 30 it drives me wild ! I just love having a silky smooth game
I think that whenever you change some of the settings in game, it needs to be restarted to have the full effect ! Playing around with the settings a lot laggs me a lot more so maybe it just gets a bit confuzzled with all the changes.
I use fps meter too and i think it does actually have a negative impact on the game's fps.
Ive upped everything now to Max apart from car reflections and shadows set to classic, running a smoother 30fps + with a dip every now and then so happier now, its just dissapointing to think the Snap800 cant handle this! But lets hope its just not the best optimized yet and they update it - I think the other 2 GTA games run slightly laggy with the snapdragon chip as its mainly optimized for the Mali gpu's
no doubt i'll continue to play around and if i find something that sorts it, i'll post it here.
but thanks for your help dude, much appreciated :good:

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FYI: The game was closed and restarted AND removed from memory after each graphics change.
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FYI they brought out an update which should fix many issues
And you screenshots are like 100x50px if i try to look at em
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Does anybody know what is the problem? Seems to affect only our device...Whyyyyy? I bought myself a GameKlip for this game And it lags even on high settings(not to mention max)
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Ah they should expand... They do on the desktop site.
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Killberty said:
FYI they brought out an update which should fix many issues
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The update was to fix the loading crash error nothing was changed in regards to performance
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GeorgEveS said:
Does anybody know what is the problem? Seems to affect only our device...Whyyyyy? I bought myself a GameKlip for this game And it lags even on high settings(not to mention max)
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Try using low effects setting, full everything else, that helped me a lot.. I turn down shadows and reflections too lol.
It's not just our device, it seems more optimised for Mali gpu.. Where as we have the Snapdragon 800 (ironically the best mobile gpu out currently)
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Guys,I lost my save when I updated, I thought I saved it on Cloud, but didn't see that for Cloud saves are the last two in the save menu, I'll give you my "Social Club" acc if you can save your saves on cloud,last mision I did was with Big Smoke on the bike changing those dudes on the train, any save would be ok,I don't have the Nerv to Start from the bottom
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Anyone, Please

what about
limitator of frame?
on or off?
thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmSs_wByJc4
Okay, so you can clearly see that this guy has no lags on MAX settings. But he is using the Octa-core version... So I guess poor performance on Qualcomm chipsets?

After official update to KitKat, GTA San Andreas crashes. I try to start the game, then after loading bar reaches half, music stops and the game crashes.
Btw my graph. settings:
visual: low
res: 63%
draw dst: 55%
shadows: off
car reflections: off
With this setting I have great graphics, and have no lag at all.
But can anyone tell me why the game crashes, I tried with reinstalling and everything but with no success?
I'm using v1.03

GTA San Andreas on Galaxy Note 10.1 Gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZEqgWE1EvI

hrvoje334 said:
After official update to KitKat, GTA San Andreas crashes. I try to start the game, then after loading bar reaches half, music stops and the game crashes.
Btw my graph. settings:
visual: low
res: 63%
draw dst: 55%
shadows: off
car reflections: off
With this setting I have great graphics, and have no lag at all.
But can anyone tell me why the game crashes, I tried with reinstalling and everything but with no success?
I'm using v1.03
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I thought I was alone but it seems that KitKat has ruined GTA SA

It doesn't work for me as well... Guess I'll wait for an update for the game to come out...
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Xiaomi MiPad 7.9" Nvidia K1 2GB/16GB tablet - Review

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Xiaomi MiPad – Review
Xiaomi is one of those brands that is always in the headlines. As time has gone by the phone maker has expanded their device lineup and also started a massive global expansion. In addition to their phones, their MIUI software is also well known and sought after. Why all the hype around this company you might ask. Well, it might have something to do with the fact that they release high spec, dependable devices at less than half the price of the big brands.
Over the last year or two there have been rumors of a Xiaomi tablet but it just never happened. Then out of the blue the MiPad was announced and soon hit the stores. Obviously Apple inspired the MiPad looks like an iPad mini but is all Android inside thanks to the MIUI ROM. I was curious about the tablet but also curious about the Nvidia K1 processor so I figured I could kill two birds with one stone. So let the review begin.
Unboxing
I ordered the Xiaomi MiPad from 1949deal and the tablet was shipped within a few days by EMS. When it arrived it was very well packaged.
The box for the MiPad is of a plain brown variety. While it’s nice to see cool packaging for a device I really don’t care when it’s not there. It’s the device that needs to be amazing not the box, right? Inside was the tablet, some instructions, a micro USB cable, and a wall charger.
You can check out the unboxing video here.
Specs
7.9″ 2048 x 1536 display
Nvidia K1 quad core clocked at 2.2 Ghz
2GB RAM
16 GB storage
expansion slot that will support up to 128GB cards
5MP front and 8 MP rear cameras
6700 mAh battery
You can check out the full video review here.
Physical Features
The Xiaomi MiPad measures 202 x 135.4 x 8.5 mm and weights 360 grams. It’s quite comfortable to hold due to it’s thin design but you do need to be careful when holding it. The back of the device is very smooth and I could easily see it’s slippery surface being the cause of the device hitting the floor.
On the bottom is the micro USB port.
On the right is the volume rocker and the power button.
On the top is the 3.5 mm head set jack.
The top center is the location of the front facing camera.
Looking at the back the camera is in the top left corner with the dual speakers being at the bottom.
Display
The 7.9 inch display of the MiPad has a resolution of 2048 x 1536 for a 324 ppi pixel density. The screen feels solid thanks to the Gorilla Glass 3 and is very responsive.
The viewing is equally as good as the angles are good and the picture quality is fantastic.
Software
The Xiaomi MiPad is using MIUI which is their version of a custom Android ROM. It’s based on 4.4.2 KitKat and offers an appearance much like iOS where the apps are all dropped onto the main screens. Included are lots of customization options but if you still don’t like the look you can always use a launcher from Google Play.
Looks aside the software is stable and runs very well. The only drwback I’ve found is the Wi-Fi drains the battery fairly quickly even when the device is sleeping. The only fix I have found is to change the Wi-Fi setting to only engage when the device is awake.
Google Play store came on my device but that was put there by the reseller. Regardless, it’s an easy fix as you can just use the included app store to search Google and install the Play Store. When it asks to install other files like frame work, allow it and you’ll be all set in a matter of minutes.
The boot time was 25 seconds.
Wi-Fi
The MiPad comes with dual band wi-fi. I tested both the 5 Ghz and 2.4 Ghz.
My house has a basement and a main level. The router is located at the center point of the basement so I took readings at the router as a baseline and then tested it’s range by venturing upstairs.
5 Ghz
Router= 72.7 mbps
On the basement level the results remained around 70 mbps.
Main level= 10.06 mbps ( As I worked my way toward the far side of the level the signal dissapeared completely)
2.4 Ghz
Router= 68.05 mbps
Main level above the router= 20.58 mbps
Far corner of the main level = 19.7 mbps
As you can see, the Wi-Fi for the Xiaomi MiPad is quite good and the 2.4 Ghz signal easily covered my entire house.
Speakers
The dual rear speakers on the MiPad are perfectly located right on the curvature of the tablet. This makes them harder to muffle when holding the tablet sideways watching movies or playing games but allows the user to put it down without experiencing any problems with the sound.
Overall I was very impressed with the sound quality as the speakers were very clear and reasonably loud. They performed well with all genres of music and picked up a good amount of bass without sounding muddy.
Video Playback
The GPU in the Nvidia K1 is a real powerhouse allowing it to perform well in any situation, video playback included. I used the stock player as well as VLC to try a variety of HD online video clips as well as HD movies in different formats. Everything played very well and combined with the excellent display and quality speakers watching media on the tablet was a great experience.
Web Browsing
I used Maxthon browser to test out surfing the web and everything went very well. Pages loaded quickly even if they were image heavy and overall the device was quite snappy when online. It seems like the Nvidia K1 is the real deal.
Cameras
The front facing camera on the Xiaomi MiPad is a 5 MP unit and works very nicely for video chatting as well as taking quality selfies. The rear 8MP camera really impressed me. In general I’ve found the cameras that are used for tablets are rather poor so I wasn’t expecting much. The main camera focused fairly quickly and took some rather nice shots. The only downside is there is no flash, so make sure you have lots of light.
Benchmarks
Nvidia talked a big game regarding their new K1 processor so let’s have a look and see if it really is a threat to the current market technology.
Antutu
38,080
Antutu 5
It appears to be at the upper range of the current devices. Let’s keep testing.
Nenamark 2
59.7 fps
CPU Prime
8994
Very nice score. The MiPad is the first device I’ve personally come across that beats the Nvidia Shield in this test.
Vellamo
The MiPad thanks to its Nvidia K1 gets top marks in all tests. If you are looking for a powerhouse device the Xiaomi MiPad gets the nod.
Battery
The big question about the Nvidia K1 is how much does it take out of the battery to get those awesome benchmarks. I put the tablet display on auto and used VLC player to create a video loop. The tablet lasted a respectable 8 hrs 23 minutes. Performance and efficiency. Very nice.
Gaming
Nvidia heavily promoted the GPU on the K1 so one would hope it performs well in the gaming tests. I started with Into the dead and gameplay was very responsive and smooth. As I upped the ante by loading Dead Trigger 2 the graphics defaulted to the highest settings and gameplay was very nice. same scenario with Asphalt 8. I even opened a bunch of apps to run in the back ground and everything remained buttery smooth. If you like your video games, the Xiaomi MiPad delivers.
Final thoughts
Pro’s
Quality device
Good display
Great performance
Good speakers
Cameras are better than expected
Cons
Battery drain when in sleep (caused by Wi-Fi), hopefully this will be fixed in future software updates
No flash on main camera
I can’t really find fault with much on the Xiaomi MiPad. It really is a quality tablet that delivers on performance. The Nvidia K1 does a great job and makes this device one of, if not THE tablet to beat. I like that Xiaomi included an expansion slot and that it will take up to a 128 GB card. Add in the fact that Xiaomi are getting to be one of the larger players in the mobile game so you get software updates, lots of accessories, and tons of forum support if you need it.
Bottom line: reasonable price for killer performance.

Thanks for a great review, hopefully I'll have my hands on one in the next couple of weeks

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Thanks for a great review, hopefully I'll have my hands on one in the next couple of weeks
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Not a problem. It really is a nice tablet that will get better with further MIUI updates.

wow, the review is very impressive, i like to have a try!

There are some bugs come with this Mipad.
The tablet always get warm and the battery drain by "Android system".
The screen is good but the ratio cause some errors with some app.
And with 2K screen, it get only 2G memory. That's not enough.
The MIUI OS is buggy, I hope someday there will be CM11 for Mipad.

The MiPad is really awesome, however we the users have complained a lot in Xiaomi forums. The software was buggy from the very beginning, unfinished at its best, and while now most of the problems are solved, the MIUI version it runs is far from complete, not comparable at all to the phone version.
Hope some developer stands up and ports AOSP to MiPad, since most of us have the feeling that with MIUI it's impossible to use the tablet to its full potential.

great review ;;I wanna this mipad on my hands,,,,

Is there a custom ROM like CyanogenMod for this device. Im planning on buying this. It'd be nice to have Lollipop on this.
The hardware specs on this is similar to Nexus 9 but cheaper. Many good reviews about this device.

mode7456 said:
Is there a custom ROM like CyanogenMod for this device. Im planning on buying this. It'd be nice to have Lollipop on this.
The hardware specs on this is similar to Nexus 9 but cheaper. Many good reviews about this device.
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look here:
forum.xda-developers.com/android/development/rom-cyanogenmod-11-crdroid-xiaomi-mipad-t3005612

Hello everyone. I want to buy this tablet,what is your opinion about this product? Guide me. Thanks
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Is there any forum which speaks about Mi Tab- usage how tos - i tried to use shareit app to share files - but Mi tab does not allow. Please assist.

I know this isn't the right place but not sure where else to ask but while playing asphalt my car keeps veering to the left. I presume it's a problem with the gyroscope but don't know how to calibrate it. I tried several apps but didn't manage

satven21 said:
Is there any forum which speaks about Mi Tab- usage how tos - i tried to use shareit app to share files - but Mi tab does not allow. Please assist.
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Yes. Here
http://en.miui.com/forum-44-1.html

thanks for the nice review!! i will seriously getting this tablet next week
but i really want is that they update to lollipop, marshmallow is nearly coming to every device and xiaomi still stuck in KK
i can't wait to get my hands on these

My opinion about the Z1.

It's been a long time since I held a Sony mobile device.
My psvita looks like a joke compared to it.
The speed and features are stunning and the battery life is not bad at all.
The whole out side body is sturdy and i love the device.
Well done Sony.
Won't be rooting it, wont be modding it for a long time.
Will be looking forward to have more devices from the Z series in my hand.

Compared with ps vita?
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Rly dude?

odie70 said:
Compared with ps vita?
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Compared to several devices i have held and modded.
So far my Z1 is a damn fine device.
If I could run my vita games on her "and yes she has the power" I would.
I know, I know everyone is expecting me to burst out with "what a pile of **** ***** and ****** ** The * *********"
nope i love this device.

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No i'm lying.. pfft.
XD you cannot troll the troll.
On a serious note it's a awesome device.
I just want the textures fixed for doom 3.
:edit and that seems to be fixed after the 5.1.1 update.

I'm very curious about how to made such a perfect FW like this. When I use my Z1, I find it seems to be made by computer like CM buildbot. I guess it's japanese style.
They should know how to google at least.

PielunA said:
I'm very curious about how to made such a perfect FW like this. When I use my Z1, I find it seems to be made by computer like CM buildbot. I guess it's japanese style.
They should know how to google at least.
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I think they spent a lot of time looking at fine detail and features.
I personally wish i could select a much darker theme.
But yeah Sony has always been good at making stuff look sexy.

I'm using a z1 right now the only thing I am not satisfied with is the battery life

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I'm using a z1 right now the only thing I am not satisfied with is the battery life
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I think the chip is clocked way too high to keep cool and be power efficient unfortunately.
The 3G, LTE radio is set way too fast and this adds more drain and heat.
So in fact the device is cooking itself to death just like the x10 did.

OmegaRED^ said:
I think the chip is clocked way too high to keep cool and be power efficient unfortunately.
The 3G, LTE radio is set way too fast and this adds more drain and heat.
So in fact the device is cooking itself to death just like the x10 did.
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Yea you are right my phone heats up while using data very quickly and the battery drains

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Yea you are right my phone heats up while using data very quickly and the battery drains
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They could pull down the speed on the 3G/LTE radio more.
As over 1MB a sec is overkill.
And i think this will be the thing that makes me root and drop in a custom kernel.
:edit
So yeah I suggest adding a 3G/LTE speed limiter in future builds for the phone.

Z1 is one of the best devices in the market

OmegaRED^ said:
They could pull down the speed on the 3G/LTE radio more.
As over 1MB a sec is overkill.
And i think this will be the thing that makes me root and drop in a custom kernel.
:edit
So yeah I suggest adding a 3G/LTE speed limiter in future builds for the phone.
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Cant relate to it. My Z1 is around 25 degrees in standby (battery) and CPU less than 40 degrees with ambient temp of 20-22 degrees. All power saving functions disabled and no queue for data. With use battery is 30-35 seldom reaches 40 and CPU between 45 and 60 depending on work. It's even less when on 4G instead of 4G + WiFi. I also got tons of background services running constantly like Adguard Premium (high quality for all apps filtering), KIS Security checking all connections and all file operations, Whatsapp, KiK, Messenger, Dumpster, GSAM monitor, ACR, Apex Launcher, AppLock, Clipper+, Gmail, Gravity Screen (proximity auto lock/unlock for flipcover), Greenify, HeadsOff, Notifyer+, TrueCaller, Type Machine, Weather Timeline, KCAL LCD calibrator and more.
Screen brightness 40-45%, sound enhancements on, X-Reality off, SOT around 4 hours (includes around 50 photos captured, photo editing on mobile and more).
Only time ever it heats to the battery to 45 degrees and CPU to 70-72 degrees is when clearing dalvik cache and it rebuilds it at boot (ambient temp 25).

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Cant relate to it. My Z1 is around 25 degrees in standby (battery) and CPU less than 40 degrees with ambient temp of 20-22 degrees. All power saving functions disabled and no queue for data. With use battery is 30-35 seldom reaches 40 and CPU between 45 and 60 depending on work. It's even less when on 4G instead of 4G + WiFi. I also got tons of background services running constantly like Adguard Premium (high quality for all apps filtering), KIS Security checking all connections and all file operations, Whatsapp, KiK, Messenger, Dumpster, GSAM monitor, ACR, Apex Launcher, AppLock, Clipper+, Gmail, Gravity Screen (proximity auto lock/unlock for flipcover), Greenify, HeadsOff, Notifyer+, TrueCaller, Type Machine, Weather Timeline, KCAL LCD calibrator and more.
Screen brightness 40-45%, sound enhancements on, X-Reality off, SOT around 4 hours (includes around 50 photos captured, photo editing on mobile and more).
Only time ever it heats to the battery to 45 degrees and CPU to 70-72 degrees is when clearing dalvik cache and it rebuilds it at boot (ambient temp 25).
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4G seems less problematic than 3G.
Low signal also effects heat.
Try playing Nova 3.
The phone turns into a nuclear reactor.

Yeah.. Now i am raging..
This phone is a cancer to unlock... Its a pain to figure out what roms will work and a total witch to fine tune. My s4mini took 1 day to get on a fully stable custom rom.
Idk wtf sony is thinking.. The cpu clock is way to high and the heat output is brutal.
Not everyone lives in a liquid nitrogen jar.
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You live in the djungle or? How hot is the weather Tarzan?

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You live in the djungle or? How hot is the weather Tarzan?
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Its about 25 to 30*c ambiently normally.
Plus with the increase in heat from global warming i see a sad future ahead for mobile chip developers.
My sgs4 mini never overheated this badly even when clocked to 2GHz
Im hoping that there is something i can do like disable 2 of the cores or drop the clock a bit once i finally get it properly on a custom rom else me and this device are going to be tough on each other.
My X10i also bloody overheated like this when downloading over 3G or gaming heavy stuff it drove me insane.

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Its about 25 to 30*c ambiently normally.
Plus with the increase in heat from global warming i see a sad future ahead for mobile chip developers.
My sgs4 mini never overheated this badly even when clocked to 2GHz
Im hoping that there is something i can do like disable 2 of the cores or drop the clock a bit once i finally get it properly on a custom rom else me and this device are going to be tough on each other.
My X10i also bloody overheated like this when downloading over 3G or gaming heavy stuff it drove me insane.
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Well I do agree they are putting in and/or clocking CPUs at such levels the heat dissipation aint really adequate and thus makes phones throttle CPU/GPU. Just look at early SD810 equipped mobiles. They IRL with random above normal workload performed worse than A SD800 equipped phone due to constantly throttling creating hitches. They design thermal dissipation to just be enough for benchmarks (where many are worthless and or easy to cheat 'legally'). Few mobiles you can run at 100% CPU and GPU load without them throttling at some point, earlier or later. Though the Z1 has quite good thermal characteristics and throttling should seldom if ever happen unless something is locking the CPU and GPU to 100% for prolonged periods.
For normal use, movies 4k, Youtube it is far from reaching throttling levels. Games I cant comment since I dont play on my mobile. Not interested and my opinion is almost all games are coded in a ****ty way using unecessary resources and the fact you cant even chose render resolution ingame is ridicolous. A game like Prey for PC would be perfectly doable on the SD800 at 1080 yet no Android game even comes close to such visuals.

EQ2000 said:
Well I do agree they are putting in and/or clocking CPUs at such levels the heat dissipation aint really adequate and thus makes phones throttle CPU/GPU. Just look at early SD810 equipped mobiles. They IRL with random above normal workload performed worse than A SD800 equipped phone due to constantly throttling creating hitches. They design thermal dissipation to just be enough for benchmarks (where many are worthless and or easy to cheat 'legally'). Few mobiles you can run at 100% CPU and GPU load without them throttling at some point, earlier or later. Though the Z1 has quite good thermal characteristics and throttling should seldom if ever happen unless something is locking the CPU and GPU to 100% for prolonged periods.
For normal use, movies 4k, Youtube it is far from reaching throttling levels. Games I cant comment since I dont play on my mobile. Not interested and my opinion is almost all games are coded in a ****ty way using unecessary resources and the fact you cant even chose render resolution ingame is ridicolous. A game like Prey for PC would be perfectly doable on the SD800 at 1080 yet no Android game even comes close to such visuals.
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Im a gamer that often ends up putting a device thru the acid test via extended gaming.
The heat generated in the Z1 is not good and could easily damage the hardware over time.
Now this concerns me as a device that can run games should not just be able to do this for demo purposes alone... Thats cheating. Sacrificing stability and device life expectancy for a mere chart topping benchmark score or to merely capture the eye of a consumer. Thats cheating and not a welcome trait.
Losing my respect for sony again.
The fact that the psvita was canned so early too.
It's not funny. Nova 3, neon shadow, all use unity.
Doom3 using Diii4A for example is nearly the same engine used for prey and the game runs flawlessly on the sd800 but the heat... Even when lowering the quality brutally the throttle on the cpu is too high. Nova 3 sadly has no quality settings so the 1080p resolution brings brutal overheating.

OmegaRED^ said:
Im a gamer that often ends up putting a device thru the acid test via extended gaming.
The heat generated in the Z1 is not good and could easily damage the hardware over time.
Now this concerns me as a device that can run games should not just be able to do this for demo purposes alone... Thats cheating. Sacrificing stability and device life expectancy for a mere chart topping benchmark score or to merely capture the eye of a consumer. Thats cheating and not a welcome trait.
Losing my respect for sony again.
The fact that the psvita was canned so early too.
It's not funny. Nova 3, neon shadow, all use unity.
Doom3 using Diii4A for example is nearly the same engine used for prey and the game runs flawlessly on the sd800 but the heat... Even when lowering the quality brutally the throttle on the cpu is too high. Nova 3 sadly has no quality settings so the 1080p resolution brings brutal overheating.
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Well pretty much all brands have phones that throttle early even the Iphone. If anything Sony phones are those that take the longest time to throttle due to relatively good design, aluminium besel and rigid 'heatsink' plate. Though it varies depending on SoC.

Pros & Cons of Stock ASUS ZenUI Firmware

There have been a lot of changes in ZenUI over the time (about 9 months?) since the ZF2's launch, although rather disappointingly it is still based on 5.0 Lollipop. So I was wondering what you guys make of it in its current iteration? Personally, I am in two minds about the stock ASUS firmware and tend to flash back and forth between stock and CM rom. Focusing mainly on the stock ROM, and not thinking too much about visual design, which is a very subjective matter, here are my pros and cons:
Pros: Camera performance is good for the price and much better than with CM/CM-based roms. The latest version of the pixelmaster app is improved, and gives a lot of functionality (the manual mode is especially nice and now better integrated). While not all useful, there are a number of included ASUS apps that I find useful. For me, I make use of the SuperNote app, I find the ASUS email app much better than the gmail app, the Remote Link app is useful with a PC, I like having Splendid to adjust the display, the Weather app is handy, and I like the PhotoCollage app. Although I don't use it much, it is good having FM Radio functionality (always good to have a radio when you live in an area with earthquakes like I do), something you lose with custom ROMs. I think battery life is OK using stock firmware. A lot of flagship device reviewers quote 3 to 4 hours SOT in a day's use as being pretty good, and I easily exceed that on my Z008 with stock rom and most features turned on or maxed. I have a few qualms about the Zen launcher visually, but that is very subjective as I said. In terms of functionality it brings a hell of a lot to the table - touch gestures such as DTTS/DTTW and swipe down functionality, lots of launcher options such as app lock, homescreen lock, folder customisations, app drawer options, wallpaper settings options, the choice of one or two-layer style, scroll effects, themes and so on. The ASUS settings and quick-settings also offer some good extra functionality. The ASUS cover functionality is also nice if you have a view flip cover. While it is a shame that we are still stuck with 5.0, it is at least good that ASUS have started to roll Google's monthly security updates into their own updates.
Cons: Probably my biggest bug bear is RAM management. Not sure if this is an effect of 5.0's memory leaks, but my 2GB RAM model often has under 300MB free, compared to 600-900 on CM. Usually this doesn't affect performance and the UI is smooth, but sometimes it does seem to get jammed up. Disabling apps or denying apps in Auto-Start manager doesn't seem to have any effect on this. While it has improved a lot, I still have some problems with app connectivity when the device is sleeping. For example, regardless of my wifi settings and power-saver settings, TuneIn radio streams buffer or completely stop after a few seconds when the screen goes off. On CM I do not encounter this problem. (Edit: actually the tune in problem seems to have now gone away). USB connectivity with my Pioneer car stereo was also broken, I think by the PC Link suite CD Rom function. This is very annoying (and I would be very grateful if anyone has a solution to this problem). And one last one, though not a big issue - the Zen UI is, in my opinion, wasteful of space and the default DPI setting (320 on Z008) is too high and can't be changed easily and flawlessly.
What does everybody else think? Anything to add or anything you don't agree with me about? Let's discuss.

Pros: stability, official firmware, cool and useful apps and a beautiful overall (at least I like it) .
Cons: battery sucks.. Really, it does.

Great battery life on the Z00A here. I get between 5.75-7 hours of sot with about a days use without airplane mode or data turned off.
Biggest con is that their keyboard is buggy and if I try to add in a missed word in a sentence it will add it to the end and can take a few times to get it to add into the right spot or if I try to delete a word it deletes the last word even though the cursor is behind the word it deleted. The word prediction while swiping is rather poor also.
I own a Xiaomi mi3w, oneplus two and the ZenFone 2.
Although I do like the oneplus two a little more but bang for the buck and weighing pros vs cons this is the best deal.
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For the moment I have two issues
first: I can´t share file by wifi-direct
two: the battery life.

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For the moment I have two issues
first: I can´t share file by wifi-direct
two: the battery life.
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Battery Life Sucks!
Share files by download the app "WiFile Transfer", easiest thing in the world
Good Luck!

garciajo said:
Battery Life Sucks!
Share files by download the app "WiFile Transfer", easiest thing in the world
Good Luck!
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I don´t want a app Android SO can use this option. This option can use in Asus zenfone in another android SO version.

Pro's are it's pretty fast.
Cons.......Volume button back is really hard to use, Annoying bloat-wear, speaker volume, music player, delayed voicemails, MMS issues, dropped calls even with correct APN settings, and a few others.
Thoughts are hoping marshmallow can resolve the issues because the phone is really lacking.

My main concern is the outdated video driver. It will not run one of the tests in 3DMark, for example

Pros: The UI is good and fairly smooth.
Cons: Over time the UI slows down as the phone runs out of memory...
ASUS should focus on having a solid and updated backend instead of adding UI features.

Pros; cheaper than others
Cons; not that cheap. cheaply built. Build quality really is @%!&. various problems, ear receiver sound, gps and gyroscope, battey drains, over heating (while not charging), camera slow to take photos and HORRIBLE white balance, cant turn off shutter sound on Japanese kernel even though its a sim-free device X_X"
Repair takes forever and comes in worse shape than it was before.
Updating ASUS apps only makes the phone lag more.
at least I can disable most of the stuff and choose not to update it.
Android is still stuck on 5.0 WHY!?!?! 2016, Hellllloo~

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Pros; cheaper than others
Cons; not that cheap. cheaply built. Build quality really is @%!&. various problems, ear receiver sound, gps and gyroscope, battey drains, over heating (while not charging), camera slow to take photos and HORRIBLE white balance, cant turn off shutter sound on Japanese kernel even though its a sim-free device X_X"
Repair takes forever and comes in worse shape than it was before.
Updating ASUS apps only makes the phone lag more.
at least I can disable most of the stuff and choose not to update it.
Android is still stuck on 5.0 WHY!?!?! 2016, Hellllloo~
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The topic was more supposed to be about the software than the phone as a whole, but whatever, it's all good.
Regarding not being able to turn off the shutter sound with Japanese firmware, that's because that is the law in Japan - presumably to try and stop pervy guys from taking surreptitious snaps of schoolgirls and office ladies on trains. My gripe with the models sold in Japan is more the pricing - we get hiddeously ripped off, paying near double the US prices. That's why I got an imported model - sacrificing a few LTE bands is worth it for the saving (and the added bonus of no shutter sound). Personally have had no problems with build quality or overheating on mine - sure, it is not premium build materials, but satisfactory for the price paid.
I am fairly satisfied with the current firware (.136 on the Z008) and was having a few issues with CM13 which keep me from using it at the moment. The one big problem that I have with stock is still the RAM management and/or memory leaks. It soon drops to under 300MB free of the 2GB, and recently often falls to near 200MB and suffers noticeable lag and stuttering at that point. Never have that problem with CM, which always keeps plenty of RAM available and is very smooth. 1.7 GB of RAM occupied with nothing much actively running is piss poor.

Taking sleeping baby photos is also impossible
btw, not just pervs. they dont like u taking photos in shops, books, when there is an idol group or some other gathering etc.
beside, if I want to take a photo of a girl whats the problem to take it with the shutter sound ON ? I dont really care... I pop up in lots of people's photos - without giving consent ..
btw, it seems that because of the shutter sound the camera lags when taking a photo. both when saving to built-in memory and SD card... Also the Shutter animation is super annoying... have no idea what causes this delay ..
I also have problems with skype, only on this phone.
RAM issues -> my fault for choosing the lesser 2GB option ^^"
software/bloatware... lots on it.. some of them can be disabled but after several updates some lost that option.. for some odd reason.
also, sometimes updating asus apps makes the phone even slower, added useless features etc.
I'm now on a Factory Reset, disabled most of the apps, only use Gmail, Skype, Chrome... and tomorrow sends the phone to repair again (since last time I was told they couldnt find anything wrong, LOL => phone without a working ear receiver can't function as a phone. also, being weeks without a phone in this day and age is complete %^[email protected]^&! (2 weeks waiting due to holiday, 2 weeks repair, 1 week waiting due to their holiday, then probably another 2 weeks repair, over 1 month without a working phone) another reason to buy a japanese phone or something from a phone provider, you get a phone to use til its get repaired)
I had good experience with several used phones I got here (all Xperia)... for 50~100usd more I could have gotten a 2nd hand Z3 compact... STUPID ME for choosing Asus
kanagawaben said:
The topic was more supposed to be about the software than the phone as a whole, but whatever, it's all good.
Regarding not being able to turn off the shutter sound with Japanese firmware, that's because that is the law in Japan - presumably to try and stop pervy guys from taking surreptitious snaps of schoolgirls and office ladies on trains. My gripe with the models sold in Japan is more the pricing - we get hiddeously ripped off, paying near double the US prices. That's why I got an imported model - sacrificing a few LTE bands is worth it for the saving (and the added bonus of no shutter sound). Personally have had no problems with build quality or overheating on mine - sure, it is not premium build materials, but satisfactory for the price paid.
I am fairly satisfied with the current firware (.136 on the Z008) and was having a few issues with CM13 which keep me from using it at the moment. The one big problem that I have with stock is still the RAM management and/or memory leaks. It soon drops to under 300MB free of the 2GB, and recently often falls to near 200MB and suffers noticeable lag and stuttering at that point. Never have that problem with CM, which always keeps plenty of RAM available and is very smooth. 1.7 GB of RAM occupied with nothing much actively running is piss poor.
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If, like me, you have a 2GB model and have been running into problems due to poor RAM management - setting a 4 app background process limit under developer options' apps section has sorted the RAM management issues for me. Has its drawbacks of course, but personally I don't multitask much so I am ok with it. I now have much smoother use with generally around 750MB to 1GB of RAM available.