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Placement of power button is really a major design flaw, you need two hands to turn on your phone, this is ridiculous, I can turn on even my lawnmower with one hand. The reset button hidden under battery cover, hey, it's running windows, reset button is one of most important buttons. If I need to remove battery cover I can reset my phone by just removing battery as well. I don't need that button anyway. No camera button, how I'm supposed to take autoportrait? And again you need two hands to take a picture. Volume buttons on side are too big, I press them accidentally all the time so I end up in silent mode and don't hear incoming calls or SMS. What was wrong with sliding volume button on original Touch? Light sensor is great idea, however it doesn't recognize light in my room from pitch black, it has the same value (zero) so I can have minimum backlight and see nothing or I can have medium backlight and blind my eyes when I pickup my phone at midnight. You can't use this cellphone lying on table, because it wobbles because of that that camera protector. I'm talking just about HW issues so far. The are infinite software issues, but software can be tuned. HW will stay like that, HTC Touch HD is just a one huge design fault. I have been using HTC Touch (Elf) before. I have been looking forward to buy this phone since HTC announced it. I didn't expect I will get for my money this piece of ****ing ****. Excuse me.
I know how you feel. you know, I never learn. When the Omnia was announced I bought it. Was disappointed and sent it back. Then.. WOW! the HD looks cool! Bought it for £500! I've just arranged for it to be returned. Quite a disappointment all round really. Design as you say isn't great, its heavy too for its size. Not may apps run on it including TT5. Its no upgrade from the Diamond in my opinion, well not £500s worth.
I put my sim in my diamond again today and thoughthis is better, and looks better. Bye Bye HD. All I need for my diamond is a better battery, £50 done.
Also that paint chipping malarky isn't good is it? Now.. I just need to learn my lessons and stop being such a geek! My Girlfriend told everyone I'd shelled out £500 for a phone. They think i'm 'kin mad! I agree
Not may apps run on it including TT5. ...
C'mon - I doubt even WM5 was out when that was released.
you need two hands to turn on your phone, this is ridiculous...
No it doesn't. i anyway can easily turn it on one-handed.
mcano said:
Placement of power button is really a major design flaw, you need two hands to turn on your phone, this is ridiculous, I can turn on even my lawnmower with one hand.
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Indeed this is an ultimate example of stupidity. Funny how nobody complained about the same thing done by Apple though in Jesus Phone. It's just equally annoying there.
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The reset button hidden under battery cover, hey, it's running windows, reset button is one of most important buttons.
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Couldn't care less where the reset button is, frankly. Unlike you, I'm not a big fan of pressing it, on Windows or not, so don't use it often enough to be bothered.
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No camera button, how I'm supposed to take autoportrait?
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Yes, if you want to delete it right away - this is not a camera, this is an extreme piece of garbage. Maybe HTC device users are used to this I don't know. But I was simply shocked. It's so slow that it's simply impossible to capture anything that moves faster than continents are drifting.
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I didn't expect I will get for my money this piece of ****ing ****. Excuse me.
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Come on, they just don't make good phones, admit it. Any phone has tons of stupidities. There's no other choice but to accept the least of the evils out there. Somehow making excellent things just doesn't seem an attractive business model anymore. It's just so much easier to stick a stupid 3.5mm jack for headphones with no data capability for a remote control (people will buy this no matter it's less convenient in practice than extUSB Audio, if you think about it for a moment), and make a camera with a bigger megapixel count that a competitor has.
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No camera button, how I'm supposed to take autoportrait?
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Uhhhh, how about using the front-facing camera, duh....
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Somehow making excellent things just doesn't seem an attractive business model anymore.
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Camera with bigger mega pixels and ever crappier plastic lens just annoys the hell out of me, but unfortunately they get away with this; because the majority of people are stupid (or ignorant, or whatever.)
Being less harsh..... I suppose in the grand scheme of things all this technology is new, once the expectation & experience of the general public catches up, finally we will see better devices.
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Camera with bigger mega pixels and ever crappier plastic lens just annoys the hell out of me, but unfortunately they get away with this; because the majority of people are stupid (or ignorant, or whatever.)
Being less harsh..... I suppose in the grand scheme of things all this technology is new, once the expectation & experience of the general public catches up, finally we will see better devices.
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Lol! Buying a Touch HD and expecting it to be good enough to replace your regular digi is stupid (or ignorant, or whatever.)
Seems to me that people forget that this is a cell phone first...it's not a digital camera with a phone feature.
yeah there are design flaws as there are for all phones
i have small hands and i can turn it one handed so i'm not sure whats wrong with your hands...
yes the reset button is poorly placed as is the volume rocker and having no dedicated camera button is weird as well.
in saying that the main fetaure of the hd over others is the screen size and display resolution.
there is no 'perfect' device, if there ever was then they'd have no room to make future stuff.
I'm pissed with the poor camera and lack of flash and it really wouldnt surprise me whetehr they release a simialr version within the next 6-12 months with these fetaures. but if they had everything we wnated this time, why would we buy the next model?
Nothing is perfect, every fone gonna have some flaws, because every1 thinks differently, and the phone are made up of only a group of ppl, so there bound to be ppl who think its ****.
So tell me a fone you think that's you think's good, then i'll tell you the "fking ****" out of it?
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Man, I am trying really hard not to laugh ... or curse at you.
Placement of power button is really a major design flaw, you need two hands to turn on your phone, this is ridiculous, I can turn on even my lawnmower with one hand.
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Funny how millions of iphone (same location of power button) users and hundreds of HD users never complained about this problem. may be you need to examine if you are holding the phone correctly. I can turn on the phone with my either hand, my teenage children can turn on the phone with either of their small hands.. my judo coach can turn it on with either of his giant paws. so unless you have 4 fingers on each hand, i am baffled at your complaint.
The reset button hidden under battery cover, hey, it's running windows, reset button is one of most important buttons. If I need to remove battery cover I can reset my phone by just removing battery as well. I don't need that button anyway.
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This is highly depended on what kind of junk you install on your phone, i never had to use my reset button since I got my phone 3 weeks ago.
No camera button, how I'm supposed to take autoportrait? And again you need two hands to take a picture.
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first of all wtf is "autoportrait"? you mean portrait picture? or self-portrait? or auto focus? I haven't heard of one camera that can "autoportrait" a picture for me. Secondly, I take pix on HD with one hand, landscape or portrait. the friends to whom I showed my phone to for the first time snapped pix one-handed. You are like an old grandma who doesn't want to change the way you do stuff because you are used to your thumb being the "holder" and index finger being the "trigger". if you need help, i'll be mroe than happy to take a pic of how me and my friends operate this phone with one hand.
Volume buttons on side are too big, I press them accidentally all the time so I end up in silent mode and don't hear incoming calls or SMS. What was wrong with sliding volume button on original Touch?
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irritating yes, major flaw no! DeviceLock, S2U2, PocketShield, etc etc.. all provide customized lock function that will lock hardware keys. Gosh, since you are so lazy, here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=449744
Light sensor is great idea, however it doesn't recognize light in my room from pitch black, it has the same value (zero) so I can have minimum backlight and see nothing or I can have medium backlight and blind my eyes when I pickup my phone at midnight.
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If you are not using any third party software to adjust the light, then yes, the screen tend to be brighter than it should. but it definitely never came to a point in any condition where the backlight is off and i can "see nothing". If you are using a third party software, then it's your own laziness that needs help so you can adjust the software's settings to best suite your enviroment. I use G-Light and it is working wonderfully.
You can't use this cellphone lying on table, because it wobbles because of that that camera protector.
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LOL, I dont even know where to begin for this one. Should I tell you to get a regular home/landline phone because you are using a cell phone on a table? or should I ask why do you care the phone wobbles if you are setting it on the table, because your attention must be somewhere else, and busy doing something else with your two hands in the meanwhile, after all that should be the reason you set the phone down in the first place no? Honestly, if your are doing something else with your two hands, and the phone is on the desk, it just wobbles on it own?!?! Or are you telling us that you get a kick out of setting a cell phone on the table and talk, while poking it with one hand to enjoy or dislike its wobbliness??
I'm talking just about HW issues so far. The are infinite software issues, but software can be tuned. HW will stay like that, HTC Touch HD is just a one huge design fault. I have been using HTC Touch (Elf) before.
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Clearly, with the way you are using your cell phone, there are many other complaints to be logged. I am looking forward for more great laughs.
......this piece of ****ing ****.
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This line is the reason for the tone of my response. if you have a problem or need help adjusting, ask, and we'll help you. if you have something valuable to share, type it down, and we will thank you. Coming here to rant just because you are not doing things right.. well.... thanks for the laugh.. again.
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You are excused.
I find it perfectly easy to turn the phone off one handed. I haven't had cause to use the reset button yet so who cares where it is. Not to mention that you don't want it in too convenient a location lest it is pressed by accident! The movement of the device while on a flat surface is minimal. Admittedly the fact that the volume buttons don't lock is annoying but something I am sure can be solved with software. The lack of a camera button is a minor irritant although accidentally pushing the button and activating the camera on my Trinity was also slightly irritating.
I would suggest that your list of "Major Flaws" hardly adds up to a minor irritant and if you are so frustrated by such small things then I doubt you are ever content. Nothing is perfect, to expect such is foolish and will only ever end in disappointment...
You can reset the device by taking the back cover off but you can also reset by holding down the power button for a few seconds
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Funny how millions of iphone (same location of power button) users and hundreds of HD users never complained about this problem. may be you need to examine if you are holding the phone correctly. I can turn on the phone with my either hand, my teenage children can turn on the phone with either of their small hands.. my judo coach can turn it on with either of his giant paws. so unless you have 4 fingers on each hand, i am baffled at your complaint.
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They did not complain because they don't know they could have better. Yes I can turn it on with either hand also, but it is very inconvenient. If you think this button is well placed, then you must have both hands left.
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This is highly depended on what kind of junk you install on your phone, i never had to use my reset button since I got my phone 3 weeks ago.
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If you are doing experiments you just have to
buggybug0 said:
irritating yes, major flaw no! DeviceLock, S2U2, PocketShield, etc etc.. all provide customized lock function that will lock hardware keys. Gosh, since you are so lazy, here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=449744
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Yeah right, if it is not design flaw why should I ever use any third party sw to disable it? If you have to find a way how to deal with it it mean it's flawed, period. Volume button on Elf was just fine no need to bother how to disable it.
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If you are not using any third party software to adjust the light, then yes, the screen tend to be brighter than it should. but it definitely never came to a point in any condition where the backlight is off and i can "see nothing". If you are using a third party software, then it's your own laziness that needs help so you can adjust the software's settings to best suite your enviroment. I use G-Light and it is working wonderfully.
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It has flawed hw, no software will help you, as I said light sensor is not sensitive enough to see difference between normal lighting condition in my room and pitch black, so everything in between is the same. So you cannot set different backlight for normal room and dark night.
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LOL, I dont even know where to begin for this one.
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Just place your phone on table and try to hit [X] button. that's it.
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You can reset the device by taking the back cover off but you can also reset by holding down the power button for a few seconds
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power button won't help you in certain situations.
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Yeah right, if it is not design flaw why should I ever use any third party sw to disable it? If you have to find a way how to deal with it it mean it's flawed, period. Volume button on Elf was just fine no need to bother how to disable it.
It has flawed hw, no software will help you, as I said light sensor is not sensitive enough to see difference between normal lighting condition in my room and pitch black, so everything in between is the same. So you cannot set different backlight for normal room and dark night.
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You dont need third party software, a small dll edit sorts it out and some people want to be able to adjust the volume while the device is locked so they can easily change music volume.
The light sensor is suprisingly sensitive. Do as instructed, install G-Light and all your backlight woes will melt away
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You dont need third party software, a small dll edit sorts it out and some people want to be able to adjust the volume while the device is locked so they can easily change music volume.
The light sensor is suprisingly sensitive. Do as instructed, install G-Light and all your backlight woes will melt away
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Light sensor is not sensitive enough, I installed GLight, thats how I found out.
The thing that I dont like with HD is .... current TouchFlo 3D.
HD has 3.8" screen, great 800x480 resolution ... but that TF3D Today screen is just waste of space because it can only display 2 appointments.
To make it worse, I cannot install Today plugin there.
Oh yeah, I can disable and use other Today application like the old HTC Home, SecondToday or SpB Mobile Shell ...
You right, but that's not the point ... HTC should have done it right to incorporate the new hardware ... the big screen with its software, user interface, and such.
Another one, why the contact photo tab could not have "tiled" (arrange to grid) photo arrangement? I hate scrolling just to find the correct contact photo. The contact photo in Manilla is better.
Another one, why the image viewer could not operate in full screen? Yes, I know, the sliding flow animation is nice for showing off .... but to have option for full screen is much better.
So, thanks to current economic crisis, I decided to wait for the next iteration.
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The thing that I dont like with HD is .... current TouchFlo 3D.
HD has 3.8" screen, great 800x480 resolution ... but that TF3D Today screen is just waste of space because it can only display 2 appointments.
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as much as we dont like the tf3d, we have to realize, htc gave this to us for free. other companies, charge for such a program, spb mobile shell, etc.
secondly, even you agreeed this is a beautiful phone, so htc did a great job. software wise, ms mobile is bad. even worse, ms didn't open their platform, so htc can't implement this "touch " shell deeper into the OS. given their fortay is in the hardware, and this giiant obstacle, i say they did an admirable job.
as for the appointmments, using advanced config tool, i can seethe appointments of the next two days. give it a try.
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Another one, why the image viewer could not operate in full screen? Yes, I know, the sliding flow animation is nice for showing off .... but to have option for full screen is much better.
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What do you mean by that? Go to Album, see the thumbnails, tap on a picture and voila - you have it in full screen.
Is anyone else sick of the bad press this phone is getting for fingerprint sensor ? Many site saying the phone has a major flaw and buyers beware. Granted it's not the best but I personally do not use the sensor and with 3 other options to unlock the phone i think it's a moutain out of mole hill issue.
Maybe this is a big issue to security minded people?
You said yourself it's not an issue because you don't use it. The fingerprint sensor is in an absolutely awful place. This is the first phone in the past several years I won't be able to use it, and will have to use another method. I setup face recognition, but I'm sure it's going to have issues in dark rooms, plus it can be fooled by a photo of yourself.
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You said yourself it's not an issue because you don't use it. The fingerprint sensor is in an absolutely awful place. This is the first phone in the past several years I won't be able to use it, and will have to use another method. I setup face recognition, but I'm sure it's going to have issues in dark rooms, plus it can be fooled by a photo of yourself.
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Yes heard it is no where near as fast to use iris or facial recognition. Samsung obviously things an earlier release is more important than sensor placement as we know this was a last minute hash job just hope it does not ditract to much from what promises to be the best phone of the year
I've been using the fingerprint sensor all day without an issue.
Agreed. While I would have preferred it to be in the center like the Pixel or V20, finding it with a case on your phone is extremely easy. I'm sure I won't even think about it in couple weeks.
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The finger print scanner works great for my right hand. I can easily find it and use it.
MY left hand wants to go to the heartbeat sensor. It will take some getting use to, but its not unusable.
True it would of been better if it was in the middle center by itself but hahh it doesnt break the phone for me.
4 digit passcode as like, forever.
It's all marketing, any publicity is still publicity. Remember the makers of GTAV paid for negative press. On purpose! Don't be blind to how "it" works.
Again. 4 digit passcode. If that. I don't live in fear.
it always good to have finger print sensor on front. i always use the sensor for samsung pay. you may need to look backside and front side for authenticating a transaction.
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Is anyone else sick of the bad press this phone is getting for fingerprint sensor ? Many site saying the phone has a major flaw and buyers beware. Granted it's not the best but I personally do not use the sensor and with 3 other options to unlock the phone i think it's a moutain out of mole hill issue.
Maybe this is a big issue to security minded people?
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I use it without fail. The position on the back is not a problem for me. I prefer it on the back.
While not ideal, the fingerprint placement isn't a huge issue for me. As once i got my case i can honestly find it easily and not worry so much of smudging the camera.
I use my phones on the desk, table, and so on and the back sensor is an extra step for me, doesn't matter where it is or how well it works. Neither is facial or iris a work around because you have to pick up the phone. I've read many comment that after a time you become accustomed to rear scanners, might even like it better. Didn't happen with me, I've gone through a couple and I like them less and less the more I used them. While there is no perfect placement for every situation there is a reason why Apple and Samsung are trying to get the scanner under the screen, it's the placement that has the most strengths and fewest weaknesses. I'm a Note man anyways and as reports seem to indicate that we have hope Samsung will get the scanner they failed to get under this screen under that one it's a no brainer for me. My current phone is only a few months old and I picked up an LG watch sport the other day to get my toy need in check for a while. Assuming the international Note 8 can be rooted it will be my next phone.
Ive been wondering.. since its already in a bad position would it be even harder for me to reach it since im left handed.. what do u think?
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Ive been wondering.. since its already in a bad position would it be even harder for me to reach it since im left handed.. what do u think?
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No, if anything you have a slight advantage. Just buy yourself a case and you should be good.
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No, if anything you have a slight advantage. Just buy yourself a case and you should be good.
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Oh you are right i thought it was on on left side of the cam (looking phone from rear view) thank u !
I got my Xiaomi Mi Max 2 five days ago. I unlocked the bootloader, rooted the device and installed weekly XIAOMI.EU rom to the device (according to this guide). I am very happy with the purchase. My previous device was Oneplus One, which was destroyed by dropping it to the ground. I was very happy with Oneplus One. I was kind of looking into buying Oneplus 5, but decided that it is not really worth the price. Here I am going to list some of the the software and hardware pros and cons of Xiaomi Mi Max 2:
Pros:
Good Screen. 1080p is the right resolution for this size of screen. 6.44 inch could be the perfect size for me, even if my hands are fairly small. It is also enough bright in direct sunlight of southern Germany and enough dark in the night. The auto brightness seems to work fairly well.
Battery life is amazing and it charges quickly.
Camera is pretty good. Only complains are frequent refocusing and low mic volume during video recording (perhaps can be fixed by software update).
Quality to price ratio is amazingly high.
Software seems fairly stable and has a lot of features. There are many features that help using the device with one hand. However, it is too risk to use it with one hand without protective cover (unless you are a World class finger acrobat).
Fingerprint reader works good. I can use it to unlock screen. I can also lock some of the apps such as gmail, which can be unlocked with another tap. This is very useful, when giving phone to kids. They can use only the apps of my choice.
The device does not get too warm. I don't play games, but some other devices, such as, Samsung Galaxy Note 4 got really hot even doing simple tasks.
Loud stereo speakers.
Snapdragon 625 is hated and loved by some. I personally think that it is an excellent processor. It has enough speed, does not overheat or throttle. Makes battery life almost immortal.
Cons:
Easy to muffle the speaker on the bottom with the holding hand.
4G support is lacking, however, it worked well in simple web browsing in Munich, Germany.
No Xposed (just like in all Nougat devices).
I could not find any way to toggle flashlight, when screen is off. In Oneplus One, I used Xposed Torch to toggle the flashlight by pressing volume up button for a couple of seconds. It is very uncomfortable for eyes in the night to have to first unlock screen and then press buttons to start the torch.
Battery saving seems quite aggressive (is also a pro). However, most apps seem to work after you disable it for them. However, flashlight widget, Skype and Hangouts do not work for some reason, even if I disabled battery optimizations and enabled autostart for them. I tried wifi and network.
Sometimes the fingerprint scanner stops working. I need to input the password to make it work again. This happens randomly without restart.
Because the device is not sold in Europe, I did not get protective cover yet.
Charger does not have EU-plug, so I have to use converter until I get another charger that I ordered separately.
As expected, it is very difficult to use the device with one hand. However, I think that the immersive experience of the big screen outweighs the cons.
Capacitive buttons on the bottom have fairly narrow area to press. It takes some time to get used to their locations.
Fingerprint scanner location is not good. Front would be the best, so the device would not have to be lifted from table. Even having the scanner lower would make more sense. Reaching to it with one hand ain't a simple task.
The size makes it difficult to fit to pocket. Well can't really expect anything else.
As a summary, there are some cons, but I guess most of them can be fixed with software update. Awesome device.
*Update: I managed to fix Skype by giving all permissions from settings. Hangouts still does not work. It is even that bad that I have to restart phone,when I try to make call. The mentioned fingerprint scanner stopping working bug starts to get to my nerves. It happens very often. It can happen even by pressing power button and immediately trying to unlock with fingerprint scanner.
*Update: Fingerprint scanner stopping bug disappeared. I do not know the reason. Perhaps, I changed some setting, uninstalled some app or somehow having a protective cover helps. I have not seen it happening in several days.
*Update: I have a new protective cover for the device (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B071CXRY9V/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1). I fear now much less that it is going to break, but it does not have as much protection as my Spigen cover for Oneplus One had.
*Update: I installed style ring (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/360...s-Samsung-HUAWEI-Smart-Phone/32801740801.html) and pop socket (also from Aliexpress, but not on sale anymore) to the back of the cover. In addition, I installed Floating Menu to reach most used function easily (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ksxkq.floating). Now I can use the phone for most of tasks with one hand. Looks kind of ridiculous but who cares.
thank you.
i am gonna waiting for the black EU version ... put on it a rugged case and you have a perfect immortal(battery...) phone
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I got my Xiaomi Mi Max 2 five days ago. I unlocked the bootloader, rooted the device and installed weekly XIAOMI.EU rom to the device (according to this guide). I am very happy with the purchase. My previous device was Oneplus One, which was destroyed by dropping it to the ground. I was very happy with Oneplus One. I was kind of looking into buying Oneplus 5, but decided that it is not really worth the price. Here I am going to list some of the the software and hardware pros and cons of Xiaomi Mi Max 2:
Pros:
Good Screen. 1080p is the right resolution for this size of screen. 6.44 inch could be the perfect size for me, even if my hands are fairly small. It is also enough bright in direct sunlight of southern Germany and enough dark in the night. The auto brightness seems to work fairly well.
Battery life is amazing and it charges quickly.
Camera is pretty good. Only complains are frequent refocusing and low mic volume during video recording (perhaps can be fixed by software update).
Quality to price ratio is amazingly high.
Software seems fairly stable and has a lot of features. There are many features that help using the device with one hand. However, it is too risk to use it with one hand without protective cover (unless you are a World class finger acrobat).
Fingerprint reader works good. I can use it to unlock screen. I can also lock some of the apps such as gmail, which can be unlocked with another tap. This is very useful, when giving phone to kids. They can use only the apps of my choice.
The device does not get too warm. I don't play games, but some other devices, such as, Samsung Galaxy Note 4 got really hot even doing simple tasks.
Loud stereo speakers.
Snapdragon 625 is hated and loved by some. I personally think that it is an excellent processor. It has enough speed, does not overheat or throttle. Makes battery life almost immortal.
Cons:
Easy to muffle the speaker on the bottom with the holding hand.
4G support is lacking, however, it worked well in simple web browsing in Munich, Germany.
No Xposed (just like in all Nougat devices).
I could not find any way to toggle flashlight, when screen is off. In Oneplus One, I used Xposed Torch to toggle the flashlight by pressing volume up button for a couple of seconds. It is very uncomfortable for eyes in the night to have to first unlock screen and then press buttons to start the torch.
Battery saving seems quite aggressive (is also a pro). However, most apps seem to work after you disable it for them. However, flashlight widget, Skype and Hangouts do not work for some reason, even if I disabled battery optimizations and enabled autostart for them. I tried wifi and network.
Sometimes the fingerprint scanner stops working. I need to input the password to make it work again. This happens randomly without restart.
Because the device is not sold in Europe, I did not get protective cover yet.
Charger does not have EU-plug, so I have to use converter until I get another charger that I ordered separately.
As expected, it is very difficult to use the device with one hand. However, I think that the immersive experience of the big screen outweighs the cons.
Capacitive buttons on the bottom have fairly narrow area to press. It takes some time to get used to their locations.
Fingerprint scanner location is not good. Front would be the best, so the device would not have to be lifted from table. Even having the scanner lower would make more sense. Reaching to it with one hand ain't a simple task.
The size makes it difficult to fit to pocket. Well can't really expect anything else.
As a summary, there are some cons, but I guess most of them can be fixed with software update. Awesome device.
*Update: I managed to fix Skype by giving all permissions from settings. Hangouts still does not work. It is even that bad that I have to restart phone,when I try to make call. The mentioned fingerprint scanner stopping working bug starts to get to my nerves. It happens very often. It can happen even by pressing power button and immediately trying to unlock with fingerprint scanner.
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Not sure if you mentioned it but do you have the Chinese version or the global/international version? From what I understand the global version should be more stable.
I have Chinese version. Global was not published when I bought the device.
On my nexus phones, if I dont use the phone for more than 4 hours, the device needs pin or patter unlock , even if fingerprint is setup, for added security. Maybe they added this in MIUI that you are running on Max2 (it is not available on latest beta/global miui for max 1). Just saying...
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On my nexus phones, if I dont use the phone for more than 4 hours, the device needs pin or patter unlock , even if fingerprint is setup, for added security. Maybe they added this in MIUI that you are running on Max2 (it is not available on latest beta/global miui for max 1). Just saying...
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Hmm, not sure what nexus device you're using (I have a nexus 6P) and the only situations it still asks for your pin/pattern in addition to your fingerprint are
1) When you unlock the phone for the first time after it's been rebooted
2) 48 hours after you last unlocked it using your pin/pattern
3) Your fingerprint isn't recognized after multiple tries
4) You switched to a different user on the device
To your point, it shouldn't do this after only 4 hours. It should take one of the other conditions listed above or 48 hours before it asks you for your pin again.
The 'bug' with the fingerprint scanner not working until you input your password is due to false reads. If it fails your fingerprint 5 times in a row, it will lock and only allow password input. The Xiaomi Mi Max 2's fingerprint reader is pretty sensitive, so it's very easy to set it off even 5 times just while putting it in your pocket. With a protective cover, the reader is a little bit more recessed so it doesn't happen so often.
Thanku for the true review, I'm going to buy this next week., It's being launched in India on 18th July..
I'm bit scared about its big size.. how does it feel for handling.?
Prasanhavalad said:
Thanku for the true review, I'm going to buy this next week., It's being launched in India on 18th July..
I'm bit scared about its big size.. how does it feel for handling.?
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Make no mistake it's a big phone. I have fairly long fingers but I still find the phone large but I love it. You should watch some videos on youtube where people test the size of the phone putting it in their pockets. That will be a bigger issue. If you wear normal jeans you should be fine but if you wear tight/skinny jeans you may only be able to fit the phone in your back pocket.
But if you can get beyond the size it's a great phone.
It is big but I have zero regrets about buying the device. I can use it with one hand for most tasks with the style ring mentioned at the end of the review. However, the other hand is occasionally needed. Typing with the keyboard is much more accurate than with smaller devices. Battery is amazing. Only once during the 3 weeks that I owned the device, I went below 50 % battery. That time I went to 40% battery with about 8 hours screen on time.
Thanku so much
Is it having Gorilla glass.? Please let me know
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Is it having Gorilla glass.? Please let me know
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According to GSMArena Gorilla Glass 4: http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_max_2-8582.php
No scratches in my screen yet after several weeks.
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According to GSMArena Gorilla Glass 4: http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_max_2-8582.php
No scratches in my screen yet after several weeks.
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But officially there is no information
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But officially there is no information
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I just checked Xiaomi's official website (Indian and Chinese). None of them mentioned Gorilla Glass, so maybe it does not have it, as you said.
Okay thanku.. then I think I should wait for Redmi note 5, until that launchs I should switch for Redmi note 4.. as both Max 2 and note 4 are similar except display size and camera technology
1. You can start the torch from lockscreen if you push the home button. (Press power button to turn on screen, then press home button)
2. I took some photos of my black max 2 if you want to see: https://m.imgur.com/a/uEvMU
Really nice review! Might get one myself from geekbuyng.
It's not a big phone, it's a huge phone! I'm using the original model and it's hard to hold without a case. I would put on a rugged case and that style ring to make it easier to hold and use the phone. I'm jealous of you guys getting crazy long battery life
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Is it having Gorilla glass.? Please let me know
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I find this info.
http://www.gsmarc.com/model-finder/xiaomi/protection/corning-gorilla-glass/
Do you think the new indisplay fingerprint reader will be fast as the one on the back?
I saw a hands on video of the OPPO r17 and it looked like the fingerprint reader was not very fast and also it could unlock the screen maybe 3/5 times.
Can we expect a better, newer generation in the op6t or do you think it will be the same chipset?
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Do you think the new indisplay fingerprint reader will be fast as the one on the back?
I saw a hands on video of the OPPO r17 and it looked like the fingerprint reader was not very fast and also it could unlock the screen maybe 3/5 times.
Can we expect a better, newer generation in the op6t or do you think it will be the same chipset?
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FOD will hopefully be the same as r17 but there might be an option of combining FOD with the FU along with Raise to wake and Double tap to wake like other OEM's to make it faster thus the device would scan and FP and look for the Face at the same time.
The tech is still relatively new so we can't expect the same speed as traditional FPs
We will have to wait for the official announcement and the reviews to judge the actual experience :good:
I'll take works every time over fast all day every day.
I think it's going to be ultrasonic actually.
The oppo used an optical sensor which is slower and less secure
There must be both !!
for a $1000 phone I demand to include every single feature possible !!
and half an inch thick phone is totally fine !!
and 1lb of weight is totally fine as well.
I think I'll miss the back scanner, the front one cant possibly be faster, at least not for another year or 2? we're getting like some of the first generations, if its JUST as fast, if not faster, great. but I unlock it sometimes before it even sees my face. I don't want to front scanner and wait for face even though that will be faster than just the scanner on the front...
I might even skip it and just get the 6, from my 5t red.
anyone think the same or just me? haha...
I dislike them in the back because I use a phone on the desk frequently enough it becomes an annoyance. Face ID is no help either in that situation so I've been looking forward to embedded scanners becoming a thing.
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I dislike them in the back because I use a phone on the desk frequently enough it becomes an annoyance. Face ID is no help either in that situation so I've been looking forward to embedded scanners becoming a thing.
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true, i usually have it facing the table when im out so its slightly less anti social LOL
Will be faster than contemporary optical FP readers if oneplus pays special attention to(nature of oneplus), but can no way be as fast as the traditional capacitive ones.
I am excited about this. One thing that caught my attention was the rumor of the fingerprint and time always being on, even when the phone is sleep. Has OnePlus confirmed this or is it still a rumor? Cause if it's true I feel it will be a major selling point to the phone.
I think I would prefer it like this rather than being on the back. Still using 3T and idm it on the front. Can't wait for the 6t
It's better that they are investing in this technology. Apple generally waits a couple of years before they try it. It's cost efficient to wait off, given the size of your company. If your trying to get more people interested in the phone; then you probably want to invest in this technology. Again, this is OnePlus's first time with a deal with a U.S. carrier. What selling points are going to make people buy the phone when they walk in the T-Mobile store? OnePlus still has not revealed the other ways users will be able to unlock the phone. We are still in for big surprises.
The major selling point is going to be it's a phone that largely specs the same as the usual suspects which are significantly more expensive. Going back to the embedded scanner it's the best choice once fully working simply because the phone can be unlocked while sitting at rest, you don't get that with face, iris, etc. Apple, Samsung, and everyone else will be on board as soon as they can create the user experience they want. It's the uncontested next step.
Fearless prediction... We're not too far from two factor ID for pay: fingerprint AND face. Meanwhile I'd expect the fingerprint will serve to simply unlock the phone. The smart guys seem to think this is the logical middle step because embedded cameras are still a decade out and everyone wants the screen sans notch which means a lift for the selfie cam. The lift becomes much more viable when it is only needed for selfies compared to something like the Find X where it is used for unlock. To get there in the near term you need embedded fingerprint scanners even if they weren't arguably the most viable overall option for bio-metric security.
I'd agree with Krabman. OnePlus is clearly trying to pull ahead of the race. They want their product to stay innovative. They want you to think of the OnePlus brand as a step up from your everyday Android device. Not to say that the Galaxy and Pixel aren't innovate if their own way; but OnePlus wants their own niche in the Android market. One could say; they are trying to be more like Apple. What they have to do is make sure their features and OS is unique. Eventually they should invest in some television ads. It can get expensive; but T-Mobile could always pitch in.
We're still in for a treat come time October 17th. Hopefully the phone will be available for purchase on that date and we won't have to wait a second longer. I'd really love to go out to a T-Mobile store during that week and pay for the phone.
I read at trustedreviews.com about the Huawei Mate 20 Pro that the indisplay fingerprint reader ONLY works for unlocking the phone and not for apps, that can use dedicated fingerprintreaders e.g. for banking apps etc.
If this is correct and also the same with the 6T that would be a HUGE minus for this technology!
I dunno, I think the rear scanned is better for me,,, I can pick it up with one hand and unlock it with my index finger, a front scanner will require my thumbs for this or two hands. But............. I will adapt. My 5x is long in the tooth and the Nexus atmosphere or comradery is no more, with OnePlus seemingly having it.
Yeah, sounds like you need ultrasonic for banking and we're getting optical. Phones are in kind of a weird place right now. To me it's like phones are suddenly stuck in a place where we all know embedded scanners and cameras are around the corner and it's clear now that the goal lies there. All screen, ultrasonic, embedded cameras, so on. It leaves what's out there now a little disappointing even though things are better than ever because I know that stuff is coming and I'm sure I want it.
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I read at trustedreviews.com about the Huawei Mate 20 Pro that the indisplay fingerprint reader ONLY works for unlocking the phone and not for apps, that can use dedicated fingerprintreaders e.g. for banking apps etc.
If this is correct and also the same with the 6T that would be a HUGE minus for this technology!
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On Vivo Nex S is working with app too as banking app etc IMO.
So it would be big negative surprised if 6T does not support.
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Yeah, sounds like you need ultrasonic for banking and we're getting optical. Phones are in kind of a weird place right now. To me it's like phones are suddenly stuck in a place where we all know embedded scanners and cameras are around the corner and it's clear now that the goal lies there. All screen, ultrasonic, embedded cameras, so on. It leaves what's out there now a little disappointing even though things are better than ever because I know that stuff is coming and I'm sure I want it.
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As for the fingerprint scanner I’m sure would be very reliable and smooth even being optical not ultasonic
Ultrasonic fingerprint will see next year with S10+.
It’s not ready for mass production.
Even the 2 little brother S10 series will use optical as ultrasonic is quite expensive.
Non to mention that Vivo is already working on 4th generation optical scanner that would be even better so it wouldn’t make surprising if 6T using that 4th generation but even not and use 3rd like Vivo Nex I’m sure would be fast and reliable.
https://www.gizmochina.com/2018/09/...t-technology-and-dsp-acceleration-technology/
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SourPower said:
I think I would prefer it like this rather than being on the back. Still using 3T and idm it on the front. Can't wait for the 6t
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I was the same but when I went from note 4 to like LG v20 or something I completely changed. you'd never wanna go back to front. the ease taking out of pocket, on table if turned upside down. if not upside down just double tap.
I'd go front again tomorrow but its slower tech than back. I don't wanna go slower and pay more for first generation. and I saw the oneplus 6 on best gear for like £382 8gb 128gb. not bad. I'd actually prob get that right now from my 5t until newer front screen scanner comes in
I think a little sphere busting is in order... I just touched the front of my phone. Twice. At no time did I think, "Ok, this is my third try at touching the front of my phone, if I don't make it this time maybe I'll have a run at the back and see if I can touch that."
More seriously: I dislike back scanners and unfortunately I've been stuck with a number of em because it's whats been out there on a lot of devices recently. Practice hasn't helped me make friends with them either, I like them less every time I own one. This because touching the front is neither easier nor harder than touching the back and you cant use a back scanner without picking up the phone when working with it on the desk. Double tap is fine but you have to go sans security to use it which isn't always viable. Face ID has the same problem, when working off the desk you have to pick up the phone to light it up. Meanwhile with the front scanner you touch it and go about your business without the extra step. Going back to normal use when not on a surface, yeah, the front is just as easy to touch as the back. To me the best feature of the 6T is the scanner being located in the objectively least compromised placement.
Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 5G, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 5G is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Love this folding phone
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Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 5G, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 5G is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
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Coming from a Note 8, I always felt it was a bit too big in my pocket pants as I usually place it inside my right pants pocket. Samsung was offering a sweet discount on the new Z Flip 5G, so I sprang for it. When folded, it's a bit thick but fits inside my pocket like a champ. The phone itself is very nice looking, I got the Mystic Bronze. It's very striking in appearance, jewel-like. Definitely a fashion statement. I've had strangers ask me what phone it is. They are invariably surprised at the folding aspect of this phone. This is the future, everyone will be sporting a folding phone in a few years. I'm just living in the future today.
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It's a great phone. I don't know why you wouldn't want it. Yes, it's expensive but it's worth every penny. Love this phone.
So, I've had it for a week, coming from a S9+, I love it. As has been mentioned, you can get some significant discounts, I would not have pulled the trigger without them.
I read a lot of reviews and felt pretty informed by the time the phone arrived; however, there are some things that I have learned in the past week.
The Screen - The reviews cover screen quality and I was not disappointed. Two things I did not encounter in any reviews that have been eye opening. First, polarization. When viewing the phone vertically the screen is almost unreadable while wearing polarized glasses. This is annoying, once rotated beyond 45 degrees it is usable and is perfect when viewed horizontally. For me, this is a problem when driving as I use the phone for GPS, not a big deal, but I did have to go find a new phone holder for the car that will support the horizontal mount. Also, this makes quick checks of the phone and prolonged use out in the sun a challenge, either take off the glasses and squint, struggle to see through the polarization, or flip sideways. Second, the screen protector. Many reviews mentioned the screen protector and all seemed to present a reasonable level of durability, although, Samsung seems to expect a replacement during the life of the phone. Unfortunately, within two hours of getting the phone I had inadvertantly gouged the screen protector. I tried to open the phone by sliding my thumb in the middle and flipping up (thumbs up). My thumb nail (just cut the day before, definitely not long) dragged across the screen as the phone opened and left a long dent. It was still there the next day when I put my own screen protector on (yeah, I know, Samsung says don't do that), but now I couldn't show it to you if you asked. Samsung's screen protector may have eventually 'self-healed' but I wasn't waiting around to find out. My recommendation, get a removable but strong screen protector, just be careful when you take it off, don't take off Samsung's. Finally, just to reiterate what was in the reviews, the screen is a fingerprint magnet, your own screen protector will help with that.
App Pairs - Something I used once in a while on my S9+, app pairs are not available on this phone (right now), but the rest of the Edge features are still there. There is now an ability to switch into split screen mode with applications from the edge bar, it is confusing and more difficult to execute. What is worse is that the phone and OS/UI will support them, SmartSwitch copied my existing pairs over, I just can't create new ones. Samsung, give me back my app pairs, please.
That's about it, as I said, it has been great so far, I'll update this is I come across anything else.
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