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So, like many, i have jumped on the S6 bandwagon, and am rather enjoying it so far (so much so that i haven't even bothered with bootloader or root yet). And while over the few days so far the glass is great (i would hope so.. sheesh), i have noticed some scratches already on the home button. Now, being that no phone will ever stay perfect, i accept that wear and tear will happen, but i was surprised to see it this early.
Certainly, i am happy enough with the phone (non scratched glass, good battery life (with bloat disabled), etc), but am curious to see if i am alone in this, or others have the same issue.
And more to that - will the scratches become a problem for the fingerprint reader (something i do enjoy using, and would like to keep doing so)? Perhaps some voices of experience can bring some wizdom..
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So, like many, i have jumped on the S6 bandwagon, and am rather enjoying it so far (so much so that i haven't even bothered with bootloader or root yet). And while over the few days so far the glass is great (i would hope so.. sheesh), i have noticed some scratches already on the home button. Now, being that no phone will ever stay perfect, i accept that wear and tear will happen, but i was surprised to see it this early.
Certainly, i am happy enough with the phone (non scratched glass, good battery life (with bloat disabled), etc), but am curious to see if i am alone in this, or others have the same issue.
And more to that - will the scratches become a problem for the fingerprint reader (something i do enjoy using, and would like to keep doing so)? Perhaps some voices of experience can bring some wizdom..
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Mine had scratches right out of the box and I scratched it further thinking there is a protective film over it since it looked like it had one. Its definitely a concern in the long run though I was able to get rid of the scratches by using toothpaste. My home button also wobbles a bit vertically and if I tap it gently in the left corner, it creates a clicky noise. The biggest concern for me right now is the pink tint on my s6's screen on the bottom half and left side. I can exchange but may end up getting the same/worse unit since most of the people who faced this issue ended up getting worse/similar units.
Will the finger print scanner stop working after many scratches is something we can only guess at the moment.
What's it made of?
The home button had the same vulnerability on the Note 4 and Note Edge, but it never affected the fingerprint reader. Micro scratches galore, but nothing too glaring and didn't affect the functionality.
Well, i certainly will agree right now, what i see is micro, and has had no impact on the scanning (4 fingers registered, no issue at all). I am a little disappointed that with the excellent build otherwise exhibited, something people will use most may be the most prone to scratches; but i also accept that that sensor may not work with more durable materials.
Still, a little more reassuring that the Note 4 is similar and should be ok..
I've noticed some minor scratches too on my home button. I'm not sure whether they were there out of the box as I didn't think to look closely at the time.
I imagine you could take a cheap plastic/PET type screen protector and cut out an oval shape and put it on the button. I'm not sure whether that would change the fingerprint recognition or not since I don't know how those scanners work. It would be easy to test though even before trying to cut the shape out.
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So, like many, i have jumped on the S6 bandwagon, and am rather enjoying it so far (so much so that i haven't even bothered with bootloader or root yet). And while over the few days so far the glass is great (i would hope so.. sheesh), i have noticed some scratches already on the home button. Now, being that no phone will ever stay perfect, i accept that wear and tear will happen, but i was surprised to see it this early.
Certainly, i am happy enough with the phone (non scratched glass, good battery life (with bloat disabled), etc), but am curious to see if i am alone in this, or others have the same issue.
And more to that - will the scratches become a problem for the fingerprint reader (something i do enjoy using, and would like to keep doing so)? Perhaps some voices of experience can bring some wizdom..
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any chance the micro scratches were there out of the box? i've had mine since April 1st and don't see any scratches...yet.
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any chance the micro scratches were there out of the box? i've had mine since April 1st and don't see any scratches...yet.
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Actually, yes, it is quite possible, as i noted them just about the second day i had it, and was shocked to see them. I may not have the smoothest thumbs, but the scratches went all the way across, which is also odd.
So far, no real issues, but it was surprising to see (part of me wrongly assumed the button was also glass).
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Actually, yes, it is quite possible, as i noted them just about the second day i had it, and was shocked to see them. I may not have the smoothest thumbs, but the scratches went all the way across, which is also odd.
So far, no real issues, but it was surprising to see (part of me wrongly assumed the button was also glass).
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honestly it should be glass. guess they're still working on premium quality 100%
it may be more likely that they were there out of box. i've tried scratching mine with my nail and no dice.
they have some assembly line and packing kinks to work out clearly. my device thankfully came unscathed but the plastic wrap that covered the phone looked like someone had pulled it back on with their finger/nail - there were 3 little indentions on it.
So, i hope its not related, but i have had my phone now fail to read my fingerprint a few times, and pop up a notice saying there was a failure, and if it keeps happening, reboot the phone. A reboot (or even manual unlock) seems to work, but i am hoping its not a sign of things to come...
No micro-scratches here yet....
I've confessions to make: I'm obsessed with physical buttons wearing off! The first app I installed is "pie control", which is something I really got accustomed to and find more practical than using home button and recent button, incidentally this saves a lot of click on the home button. I've been using for a while even an accessibility feature that let you wake up the phone by waving in front of it, to be honest I don't use much this one. Then again I use Nova Launcher and I set up a shortcut to lock the phone double tapping the display. I know I'm way overcaring about this, on the other hand I just dismissed my old S3 that was still practically perfect even after almost 3 years of usage.
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So, i hope its not related, but i have had my phone now fail to read my fingerprint a few times, and pop up a notice saying there was a failure, and if it keeps happening, reboot the phone. A reboot (or even manual unlock) seems to work, but i am hoping its not a sign of things to come...
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Let me recommend you something what I personally did after finding micro scratches right out of the box. Use an ear bud (used to clean ear) and a very small amount of toothpaste. Apply a little paste on the bud and gently rub the home button for a min or so. Once done, wipe it from a damp cloth and also taking out bits an pieces of the paste that may have got around the gaps.
I was completely able to remove micro scratches doing the above and hope it helps you too. People have also used the above method to clean their camera lenses with great effect. Look out for a thread under the Xperia Z3 compact page where people complaint of having scratches on their camera lens after using the phone for a while.
Note - Dont rub too hard on the home button. It wont harm but will take away the gloss from the button leaving it looking matte.
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What's it made of?
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The button is actually metal, but the substrate for the sensor (on top) is of a type of polymer film- like plastic? I'll post a source link when I get a chance. Thx
See link:
It's definitely not durable
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I'll give it a try tonight the toothpaste and the q-tips .... hope it works... i'll try to be as gentle as possible and go up from there ... thanks for the info man. Same problem here. Came, I believe scratched from the box, had a scratch on it from the first day and it went up from there. Dunno what is wrong with samsung they always have to screw up somehow.
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I'll give it a try tonight the toothpaste and the q-tips .... hope it works... i'll try to be as gentle as possible and go up from there ... thanks for the info man. Same problem here. Came, I believe scratched from the box, had a scratch on it from the first day and it went up from there. Dunno what is wrong with samsung they always have to screw up somehow.
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Yeah... I do believe they messed up this time.
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They decided to use a non-durable substrate. The above article explains why. Good luck!
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Yeah... I do believe they messed up this time.
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They decided to use a non-durable substrate. The above article explains why. Good luck!
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This is just conjecture. While it may very well be true, the author doesn't give any evidence or references to back this claim. For all we know, Samsung may have chosen plastic simply because it was cheaper.
when the iPhone 5S was launched, a few people expressed concerns that the sort of CMOS scanner they were using tends to deteriorate over time. This, thankfully, hasn't proven to be the case; however I think that this deterioration is mitigated by an exceptionally strong sapphire glass coating on the 5S's home button - and now on the 6 and 6 Plus.
I have concerns for the durability of the S6 home button too - not for the scratches (which mine also exhibited after only 6 days of careful use), but for the likelihood of the sensor itself wearing out over time, as they are supposedly prone to doing. If Samsung have indeed skimped on the protection this home button requires for long-term durability then people will be in for a nasty shock further down the line when they can no longer use the fingerprint recognition, or when it deteriorates to the point of being useless. For those who recommend using toothpaste to clean the scratches out, I would suggest that this is a terrible idea - clearly scratches are going to reappear anyway, and taking some of the already weedy protection away from the fingerprint scanner with a micro abrasive surely can't be a good idea.
I'm really happy with the S6 but the home button is a big concern for me. I simply don't think it's as high quality as the ones Apple use. My 6 day old S6 has been exchanged by the store for a new device as the home button not only rattled but didn't work at all on the left side unless it was pressed with a degree of weight. My replacement still jiggles a tiny but but is at least better.
To me this is a bigger issue than 'Sensorgate', which is just a load of rubbish as far as I'm concerned.
leoni1980 said:
when the iPhone 5S was launched, a few people expressed concerns that the sort of CMOS scanner they were using tends to deteriorate over time. This, thankfully, hasn't proven to be the case; however I think that this deterioration is mitigated by an exceptionally strong sapphire glass coating on the 5S's home button - and now on the 6 and 6 Plus.
I have concerns for the durability of the S6 home button too - not for the scratches (which mine also exhibited after only 6 days of careful use), but for the likelihood of the sensor itself wearing out over time, as they are supposedly prone to doing. If Samsung have indeed skimped on the protection this home button requires for long-term durability then people will be in for a nasty shock further down the line when they can no longer use the fingerprint recognition, or when it deteriorates to the point of being useless. For those who recommend using toothpaste to clean the scratches out, I would suggest that this is a terrible idea - clearly scratches are going to reappear anyway, and taking some of the already weedy protection away from the fingerprint scanner with a micro abrasive surely can't be a good idea.
I'm really happy with the S6 but the home button is a big concern for me. I simply don't think it's as high quality as the ones Apple use. My 6 day old S6 has been exchanged by the store for a new device as the home button not only rattled but didn't work at all on the left side unless it was pressed with a degree of weight. My replacement still jiggles a tiny but but is at least better.
To me this is a bigger issue than 'Sensorgate', which is just a load of rubbish as far as I'm concerned.
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You do make some really good points… When you returned your phone for exchange, was it a big pain in the ass? Did they hint that they do an exception for you?
I've just become very wary about returns, exchanges because I've been screwed before on exchanges and being stuck with a mediocre device.
Anyways, I am very surprised that not too many complaints about the sensor has come up on the web searches so far.
I could demonstrate that the home button wouldn't work on the left side unless I pressed it hard. They were able to replicate it themselves so it wasn't too much of an issue. I struggle to deal with high street stores in matters of poor quality control though as they tend to take the stance of 'I can't see anything...it's not really an issue to me'. One thing I miss when I move away from Apple products - not to sound like a fanboy - is that I feel I can trust that they will rectify any little annoyances I have.
One thing I feel confident in saying with absolute certainty is that the home button on the Galaxy S6 is not even close to the quality of Touch ID. It works, and it works well; but the feel it gives when you click it, the overall travel and the cheap plastic feel is a giveaway. Samsung are nearly up to iPhone standards with this device in terms of quality control but this button is its Achilles heel - they kind of cheaped out.
Love my S8+.. however I think the biggest problem for me with the device is to get it unlocked without doing something very specific.
The iris scanner works fine.. but it has rules as far as how face the phone and distance yourself from it.
Are you guys also experiencing what I am as far as not being able to quickly unlock your phones from any casual position?
and to top it all, OK Google detection doesn't seem to work!
I agree I hate fingerprint scanners on the back. Tried to like them but never get used to having to pick up the phone when its laying flat on a table
Never use it anyways, just swipe to unlock. Not as paranoid as some are.
I really don't understand the bad press, I much prefer the new location!?
Before with my S7Edge if I wanted to one hand scan i had to hold the phone like a diving board, teetering out of my hand insecurely.
However with the new placement on the rear, i can middle finger scan one handded much more secrely with phone gripped between pinky, ring finger and thumb.
And finding the placement of the scanner is actually very easy to find if you use a case (any case for that matter...)
I sencerly hope people who are complaining with the new placement arent still scanning try to scan their thumbs because...that would be ludicrous!!, [emoji15anyways +1 for actiually liking the new location, a defenite improvement in my eyes of the S7 Edge.
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No, i like it. Most of the time i use face unlock or smart location unlock though.
I find it hard to hit. The LG V20 I had before with the scanner in the middle was not bad.
I've gone to using the iris scanner instead. It is working much better then the fingerprint scanner. Especially when you turn on the option to bypass the lock screen swipe.
You can unlock your phone using: face recognition, iris scan, voice recognition and you can have it unlock automatically when at certain location (home/office) or connected to BT in your car for example. Paranoid types can save critical files inside secure folder and leave the phone unlocked. In other words so many options, to avoid fingerprint altogether, if you dislike it. Personally I don't care, may be actually easier to use it on the back, than front, especially when used one handed, but I have larger hands and bought smaller S8, it may be different for people with smaller hands on S8+
I do miss the fingerprint scanner on the front. When at work it is much more discrete and less obvious to unlock and tap to read a message/email/txt etc when my phone is laying on a desk in front of me.
Iris Scanner: Great indoors and if holding phone in hand. Worthless outdoors and if phone is laying on table/desk.
Fingerprint Scanner: Awkward all around. Placement, shape, proximity to camera etc. This is my only real gripe. It isn't that the S8 fingerprint reader is terrible, it is that the iPhone one was *very* good and placed ideally.
Face Unlock: Faster and easier than the iris scanner , but same drawbacks and less secure.
PIN: Ye' Ole Faithful. Still works just fine
As a v20 user I find the back placement superior to front placement phones. Its more natural and you can get a better grip on the phone when doing it instead of risking dropping the phone.
Putting the camera so close to the sensor was a pretty poor decision I don't know how that made it into the final product.
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Wanted to be OK with it, but it's a PITA to be honest... And the recent update seems to have broken face unlock (probably works 1 time in 10). Iris scanning not that easy. I often have the phone on the desk to one side, and unlocking now means picking up the phone. Will have to investigate bluetooth pairing stuff, etc. Looking forward to sub-glass fingerprint reader (hopefully on Note 8)
Coming from a Nexus 6P I was used to it being on the back. On the nexus the placement was a bit better which made the access easier, but I like it nonetheless. I don't have my phone on the table a lot so no issues with picking it up like some other people do.
Yes. I wear glasses with a -15+ prescription, so the iris scanner is a complete non-starter for me. It won't even recognize my eyes through my glasses, and without my glasses I can't see the phone clearly enough to position my eyes for the scanner. The facial recognition is both not especially reliable and not all that secure, really. So, I'm stuck still using the fingerprint.
And having it on the back is a pain in the backside -- or on the backside, as the case may be. Even using smart unlock and trusted location, it's still a pain to have to reach across the phone and case when I'm trying to unlock the phone. The fingerprint sensor also seems to be considerably more finicky as to finger position than the S7's for some reason -- which is a bigger issue when I'm having to reach to unlock it from such an odd angle.
I honestly don't mind the position of the fingerprint scanner on the S8 - it's part of the reason I got the regular size instead of the plus. What I *do* mind is that it's a vertical rectangle - like, Samsung, nobody has fingers that can hit that when holding the phone like a normal person. If it was an oval shape I wouldn't mind half as much.
I've had to get a little used to its location over the past few days, but I find that my index finger tends to rest very close to it when I'm holding the phone, very easy to get to. I was used to using a finger on the back from the LG G4's power/volume controls on the back. I do find that it sometimes takes a little time, if you misjudge the distance and don't cover the entire sensor.
I've got a case on my S8 and it makes it easy to find the sensor. The fingerprint sensor was one of the (minor) things that made me get the S8 over the + because I figured the larger phone the sensor would be harder to reach. When I pick up the phone now I have my thumb near the power button and my index finger right over the fingerprint sensor. After I tap the sensor I just curl my finger so it supporting the phone from right under the sensor/camera. I probably have about a 75% first tap unlock rate.
I've never used a phone with a good front fingerprint sensor though, (only the note 4 with it's unreliable swipe sensor,) so I don't have much to compare to.
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I've got a case on my S8 and it makes it easy to find the sensor. The fingerprint sensor was one of the (minor) things that made me get the S8 over the + because I figured the larger phone the sensor would be harder to reach. When I pick up the phone now I have my thumb near the power button and my index finger right over the fingerprint sensor. After I tap the sensor I just curl my finger so it supporting the phone from right under the sensor/camera. I probably have about a 75% first tap unlock rate.
I've never used a phone with a good front fingerprint sensor though, (only the note 4 with it's unreliable swipe sensor,) so I don't have much to compare to.
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OnePlus 3T front fingerprint sensor is like the Note 5's but 1000 times better. No stupid clicking/moving button. It works instantly with the screen off or on. It works no matter what angle you use to touch it. It can be remapped to do many different things. It works first time everytime for unlocking the phone and unlocking apps.
When I first picked up the s8 I didn't think FP scanner was a good location. After 5 minutes using I feel like it's perfect. Mine also unlocks with the slightest finger touch and instantly. My note 5 was awkward at best unless laying on a desk. I do understand what you're saying about it laying on it's back. But I never hit the camera and it's snappy. I give it a 10
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I really like the placement. It feels natural
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I have the Gear S3 and use smart lock, so I rarely have to use the fingerprint scanner (or face or iris scanner form that matter) very often.
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As a v20 user I find the back placement superior to front placement phones. Its more natural and you can get a better grip on the phone when doing it instead of risking dropping the phone.
Putting the camera so close to the sensor was a pretty poor decision I don't know how that made it into the final product.
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Honestly I think it was just for symmetry. To me there isn't any other logical reasoning (unless it's tied to the other electronics located there like the cam and heart rate sensor)
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I'm planning to buy S8 next week, so i wanted to hear some opinions, impressions, experiences from the people who already own this phone.
I tryied the phone at the store, it looks nice, it feels nice and it works great, but i would still like to hear what it's like on the daily basis, how's the battery life, does it lag after some time....etc
And one more thing. I've noticed some red tint at the top border, was it just me, or other people noticed the same thing?
Thanks.
I would honestly describe this phone as being the closest phone to perfect that i have ever owned! The only flaw is the finger print scanner! Battery life is very good! Display is excellent, Ergonomically its probably one of the best phones on the market! Likewise the camera is great! There is nothing bad about the device! If someone was to suggest they prefer another handset over the s8 however then iam sure it would purely be personal preference as oppose to choosing it because its better then the S8! Even the software on the S8 is massively improved over previous versions!! But....... just my opinion!!
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I would honestly describe this phone as being the closest phone to perfect that i have ever owned! The only flaw is the finger print scanner! Battery life is very good! Display is excellent, Ergonomically its probably one of the best phones on the market! Likewise the camera is great! There is nothing bad about the device! If someone was to suggest they prefer another handset over the s8 however then iam sure it would purely be personal preference as oppose to choosing it because its better then the S8! Even the software on the S8 is massively improved over previous versions!! But....... just my opinion!!
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Thank you.
As for the fingerprint reader, what exactly you don't like about it? It's location, accuracy, speed, or something else?
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Thank you.
As for the fingerprint reader, what exactly you don't like about it? It's location, accuracy, speed, or something else?
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Location mostly! Haven't even really bothered using it as a result! Tried it out initially and seemed accurate etc but the location just makes using it awkward and its just not as convenient for unlocking the device quickly as it was when we had it on the front! All samsung had to do was place it under the camera as oppose to right beside it and it would be alot better! The haptic feedback home button is pretty cool and actually kinda reminds me of using the finger print sensor on the s7 as you can essentially just press where the home button would of been and it unlocks the device! The downside being of course that anyone can do so as its not an actual security feature!!
I got my S8 approximately 3 weeks ago. I've just come from the iPhone 7 I find the S8 Amazing and it is very sleek. The software is pretty good and very customisable, the battery life is brilliant. The only problem is Samsung have this annoying thing called Bixby which is a siri want to be. It is not possible to deactivate or disable it. The only way to work around this you have to freeze it. Had some random bugs with the Bluetooth. Otherwise amazing phone.
I've had mine around 3 weeks. I have the Samsung clear case so I have no problem with the fingerprint sensor. I'll be putting a DecalGirl skin on so when I'm using the Rhino Bumper I'll still have a tactile nudge. Came from an International S6 (actually the same one you seem to have). Bit better battery life, no lag, amazing screen. I was surprised at how comfortable it is to hold and I'm happy to have an SD card again. I was hesitant to give up my S6 after it got Nougat as it was like a new phone. Can't imagine going back now.
One of the best devices this year... It's a Star on XDA!
It's an amazing phone. Best one I've ever had. I've had it since 4/18. Finger print location doesn't bother me at all. You'll love it!
Perfect. I did configured the fingerprint sensor but I dont use it much. I prefer the iris scanner, its fast. The rest you read it already. Screen, features, hardware, design, battery, you wont regret it
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I'm planning to buy S8 next week, so i wanted to hear some opinions, impressions, experiences from the people who already own this phone.
I tryied the phone at the store, it looks nice, it feels nice and it works great, but i would still like to hear what it's like on the daily basis, how's the battery life, does it lag after some time....etc
And one more thing. I've noticed some red tint at the top border, was it just me, or other people noticed the same thing?
Thanks.
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I have the international variant so experience may vary. I love it. Not the biggest fan of the fingerprint scanner position but after a couple days, it became natural. It's very smooth. Smoother than the S7 I'd have to say.
Battery life is amazing. Can easily get over a day of life, even 2 days sometimes. I haven't experienced any lag over time.
The red tint you noticed was probably burn in. That's the only problem I understand with the phone since it's an OLED display. I keep mine in immersive mode and use gestures for the navbar instead (I prefer it actually).
There was an issue with some displays at launch having a red tint which was resolved through software update.
Here my review. It has some profanity so if u don't like hearing cursing don't watch. But it's pretty popular on YouTube at 29k views
You will get used to fingerscanner location and it will not bother. Also useless bixby button can be remapped without root, so no prob here too.
Great phone!
Fps works fine and is ok to reach on my s8 but not for me on the + model.
Face recognition and iris scanner works fine.
The new Samsung Experience Ui is slick and fast.
I'm in the uk so have the exynos version.
The display just pops.
For me the dimensions of the s8 hit my sweet spot and it's really comfortable to hold.
The s8+ version for me was just too big and to me felt top heavy.
It's as slippery as any other glass form factor phone.
I'm using....
Samsung Screen Protector- the film type.
Black Dragon dbrand back skin.
RhinoShield Bumper.
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Here my review. It has some profanity so if u don't like hearing cursing don't watch. But it's pretty popular on YouTube at 29k views
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That's exactly what i wanted to know, a daily experience and overall impressions.
Great video man :good:
Only issue with my S8: Display light shines through right under the earpiece. Someone else noticed that?
Apart from that the phone is close to perfect for me.
Do not forget THE SCREEN SCRATCHES VERY EASY.
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I get a consistent 5 hours of screen on time every day. And as the other guy noted this screen does scratch easily. I had a buddy that scratched his pretty bad and had no idea how he did it. Haven't scratched mine yet after a couple weeks with no screen protector though. I came from a 6S+ and a note 5 before that and I'm pretty happy with this phone after flashing my unlocked Verizon version to an unbranded Canadian firmware.
uk neverlocked has problems "emergency call only"
I recommend to you that you buy the french version
http://www.expansys.fr/samsung-galaxy-s8-64gb-midnight-black-origin-eu-301130/
I had a s7 edge which is dead last week when trying to put it in water :'(. So I bought s8. So thats what I find:
1/ I really didn't like the unlock features.. the fingerprint sensor is in the back so it is just useless (ps you can save 4 fingers but I dont know how my 4 fingers can access to the fingerprint). The iris scanner cannot be used if the phone is a little bit far (in the car for exemple when you are driving I used to unlock my s7 directly with finger). To be able to unlock your s8 when its far you must use face recognition it is quick but it is useless at night because it uses camera. (Ps1: you cannot see your lockscreen before/without unlocking. Ps2: you cannot use iris and facerecognition at the same time so you must choose night compatible or far compatible).
2/ the screen ration is just so bad.. videos/apps/games are not adapted with display ratio so the phone will show two black bars at the top and at the buttom of the screen + the nav bar is, in the most cases, present in the screen and dont disappear automatically so there is no sense of "infinity screen" and I cant feel it.
3/ the battery takes more time with my s7 edge then my new s8.
So I really felt that s7 edge was better (for me) but samsung should not tell people that phones are water resistant because its not always true. (Sorry for bad english).
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I had a s7 edge which is dead last week when trying to put it in water :'(. So I bought s8. So thats what I find:
1/ I really didn't like the unlock features.. the fingerprint sensor is in the back so it is just useless (ps you can save 4 fingers but I dont know how my 4 fingers can access to the fingerprint). The iris scanner cannot be used if the phone is a little bit far (in the car for exemple when you are driving I used to unlock my s7 directly with finger). To be able to unlock your s8 when its far you must use face recognition it is quick but it is useless at night because it uses camera. (Ps1: you cannot see your lockscreen before/without unlocking. Ps2: you cannot use iris and facerecognition at the same time so you must choose night compatible or far compatible).
2/ the screen ration is just so bad.. videos/apps/games are not adapted with display ratio so the phone will show two black bars at the top and at the buttom of the screen + the nav bar is, in the most cases, present in the screen and dont disappear automatically so there is no sense of "infinity screen" and I cant feel it.
3/ the battery takes more time with my s7 edge then my new s8.
So I really felt that s7 edge was better (for me) but samsung should not tell people that phones are water resistant because its not always true. (Sorry for bad english).
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Great mini review
I'll keep in mind everything you said.
Thanks.
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Your English is fine.
Do you think the new indisplay fingerprint reader will be fast as the one on the back?
I saw a hands on video of the OPPO r17 and it looked like the fingerprint reader was not very fast and also it could unlock the screen maybe 3/5 times.
Can we expect a better, newer generation in the op6t or do you think it will be the same chipset?
sudario said:
Do you think the new indisplay fingerprint reader will be fast as the one on the back?
I saw a hands on video of the OPPO r17 and it looked like the fingerprint reader was not very fast and also it could unlock the screen maybe 3/5 times.
Can we expect a better, newer generation in the op6t or do you think it will be the same chipset?
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FOD will hopefully be the same as r17 but there might be an option of combining FOD with the FU along with Raise to wake and Double tap to wake like other OEM's to make it faster thus the device would scan and FP and look for the Face at the same time.
The tech is still relatively new so we can't expect the same speed as traditional FPs
We will have to wait for the official announcement and the reviews to judge the actual experience :good:
I'll take works every time over fast all day every day.
I think it's going to be ultrasonic actually.
The oppo used an optical sensor which is slower and less secure
There must be both !!
for a $1000 phone I demand to include every single feature possible !!
and half an inch thick phone is totally fine !!
and 1lb of weight is totally fine as well.
I think I'll miss the back scanner, the front one cant possibly be faster, at least not for another year or 2? we're getting like some of the first generations, if its JUST as fast, if not faster, great. but I unlock it sometimes before it even sees my face. I don't want to front scanner and wait for face even though that will be faster than just the scanner on the front...
I might even skip it and just get the 6, from my 5t red.
anyone think the same or just me? haha...
I dislike them in the back because I use a phone on the desk frequently enough it becomes an annoyance. Face ID is no help either in that situation so I've been looking forward to embedded scanners becoming a thing.
krabman said:
I dislike them in the back because I use a phone on the desk frequently enough it becomes an annoyance. Face ID is no help either in that situation so I've been looking forward to embedded scanners becoming a thing.
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true, i usually have it facing the table when im out so its slightly less anti social LOL
Will be faster than contemporary optical FP readers if oneplus pays special attention to(nature of oneplus), but can no way be as fast as the traditional capacitive ones.
I am excited about this. One thing that caught my attention was the rumor of the fingerprint and time always being on, even when the phone is sleep. Has OnePlus confirmed this or is it still a rumor? Cause if it's true I feel it will be a major selling point to the phone.
I think I would prefer it like this rather than being on the back. Still using 3T and idm it on the front. Can't wait for the 6t
It's better that they are investing in this technology. Apple generally waits a couple of years before they try it. It's cost efficient to wait off, given the size of your company. If your trying to get more people interested in the phone; then you probably want to invest in this technology. Again, this is OnePlus's first time with a deal with a U.S. carrier. What selling points are going to make people buy the phone when they walk in the T-Mobile store? OnePlus still has not revealed the other ways users will be able to unlock the phone. We are still in for big surprises.
The major selling point is going to be it's a phone that largely specs the same as the usual suspects which are significantly more expensive. Going back to the embedded scanner it's the best choice once fully working simply because the phone can be unlocked while sitting at rest, you don't get that with face, iris, etc. Apple, Samsung, and everyone else will be on board as soon as they can create the user experience they want. It's the uncontested next step.
Fearless prediction... We're not too far from two factor ID for pay: fingerprint AND face. Meanwhile I'd expect the fingerprint will serve to simply unlock the phone. The smart guys seem to think this is the logical middle step because embedded cameras are still a decade out and everyone wants the screen sans notch which means a lift for the selfie cam. The lift becomes much more viable when it is only needed for selfies compared to something like the Find X where it is used for unlock. To get there in the near term you need embedded fingerprint scanners even if they weren't arguably the most viable overall option for bio-metric security.
I'd agree with Krabman. OnePlus is clearly trying to pull ahead of the race. They want their product to stay innovative. They want you to think of the OnePlus brand as a step up from your everyday Android device. Not to say that the Galaxy and Pixel aren't innovate if their own way; but OnePlus wants their own niche in the Android market. One could say; they are trying to be more like Apple. What they have to do is make sure their features and OS is unique. Eventually they should invest in some television ads. It can get expensive; but T-Mobile could always pitch in.
We're still in for a treat come time October 17th. Hopefully the phone will be available for purchase on that date and we won't have to wait a second longer. I'd really love to go out to a T-Mobile store during that week and pay for the phone.
I read at trustedreviews.com about the Huawei Mate 20 Pro that the indisplay fingerprint reader ONLY works for unlocking the phone and not for apps, that can use dedicated fingerprintreaders e.g. for banking apps etc.
If this is correct and also the same with the 6T that would be a HUGE minus for this technology!
I dunno, I think the rear scanned is better for me,,, I can pick it up with one hand and unlock it with my index finger, a front scanner will require my thumbs for this or two hands. But............. I will adapt. My 5x is long in the tooth and the Nexus atmosphere or comradery is no more, with OnePlus seemingly having it.
Yeah, sounds like you need ultrasonic for banking and we're getting optical. Phones are in kind of a weird place right now. To me it's like phones are suddenly stuck in a place where we all know embedded scanners and cameras are around the corner and it's clear now that the goal lies there. All screen, ultrasonic, embedded cameras, so on. It leaves what's out there now a little disappointing even though things are better than ever because I know that stuff is coming and I'm sure I want it.
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I read at trustedreviews.com about the Huawei Mate 20 Pro that the indisplay fingerprint reader ONLY works for unlocking the phone and not for apps, that can use dedicated fingerprintreaders e.g. for banking apps etc.
If this is correct and also the same with the 6T that would be a HUGE minus for this technology!
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On Vivo Nex S is working with app too as banking app etc IMO.
So it would be big negative surprised if 6T does not support.
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Yeah, sounds like you need ultrasonic for banking and we're getting optical. Phones are in kind of a weird place right now. To me it's like phones are suddenly stuck in a place where we all know embedded scanners and cameras are around the corner and it's clear now that the goal lies there. All screen, ultrasonic, embedded cameras, so on. It leaves what's out there now a little disappointing even though things are better than ever because I know that stuff is coming and I'm sure I want it.
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As for the fingerprint scanner I’m sure would be very reliable and smooth even being optical not ultasonic
Ultrasonic fingerprint will see next year with S10+.
It’s not ready for mass production.
Even the 2 little brother S10 series will use optical as ultrasonic is quite expensive.
Non to mention that Vivo is already working on 4th generation optical scanner that would be even better so it wouldn’t make surprising if 6T using that 4th generation but even not and use 3rd like Vivo Nex I’m sure would be fast and reliable.
https://www.gizmochina.com/2018/09/...t-technology-and-dsp-acceleration-technology/
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SourPower said:
I think I would prefer it like this rather than being on the back. Still using 3T and idm it on the front. Can't wait for the 6t
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I was the same but when I went from note 4 to like LG v20 or something I completely changed. you'd never wanna go back to front. the ease taking out of pocket, on table if turned upside down. if not upside down just double tap.
I'd go front again tomorrow but its slower tech than back. I don't wanna go slower and pay more for first generation. and I saw the oneplus 6 on best gear for like £382 8gb 128gb. not bad. I'd actually prob get that right now from my 5t until newer front screen scanner comes in
I think a little sphere busting is in order... I just touched the front of my phone. Twice. At no time did I think, "Ok, this is my third try at touching the front of my phone, if I don't make it this time maybe I'll have a run at the back and see if I can touch that."
More seriously: I dislike back scanners and unfortunately I've been stuck with a number of em because it's whats been out there on a lot of devices recently. Practice hasn't helped me make friends with them either, I like them less every time I own one. This because touching the front is neither easier nor harder than touching the back and you cant use a back scanner without picking up the phone when working with it on the desk. Double tap is fine but you have to go sans security to use it which isn't always viable. Face ID has the same problem, when working off the desk you have to pick up the phone to light it up. Meanwhile with the front scanner you touch it and go about your business without the extra step. Going back to normal use when not on a surface, yeah, the front is just as easy to touch as the back. To me the best feature of the 6T is the scanner being located in the objectively least compromised placement.
I'm not sure why I'm posting this, be I'm really unhappy with 2 things on the Ultra.
First... No LED. I really relied on that. I didn't even think to check if it was there. I did find an app that will put a colored circle around the camera, but it's so fun it's not much use.
The other as you know from the thread title is the screen finger print sensor. I never understood what the big deal was, and having experienced it now I'm definitely not liking it.
The sensor on the back, like the Note 9, was perfect. Easy to find... Holding the phone, the finger would land right on it, and it always worked. The screen one very often takes at least 2 tries, and is slower to respond.
Sigh...
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Sigh...
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Not much discussion to be had here really. We are on two generations of the two things you don't like about the phone.
I guess it's a personal lesson in taking inventory of what is important to you on a device and research
Personally I like to look at complaints and weigh that against my use case to determine if it's a deal breaker or even something I've thought about.
You'll get used with it no worries. I had the same feeling as you last year when I bought Note 10...especially with the led. Now I don't even notice. There's an app called AODnotify, I got the Pro version but you could try first the free one. Is basically doing same thing as a led but with much more customization. The whole point of the led was to notify you there's something new on the phone. This app does the same by lightning up the AOD display and in the rest of the time you could have AOD off to conserve battery or, as I like it most, set AOD to show on tap
This way you have a battery friendly notification and you know when you get something on phone even if you were not nearby. Check it...and try to adapt to the changes instead of rejecting them. You will enjoy your device better
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The companies dont explore but they can definitely build an LED in the phone power button or somewhere on the frame, may be near the USB port which reflects light of the surface for you to know. However I dont care much for it anymore, we live an information overload world, not having an LED keeps my distractions away. Just my use case
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I'm not sure why I'm posting this, be I'm really unhappy with 2 things on the Ultra.
First... No LED. I really relied on that. I didn't even think to check if it was there. I did find an app that will put a colored circle around the camera, but it's so fun it's not much use.
The other as you know from the thread title is the screen finger print sensor. I never understood what the big deal was, and having experienced it now I'm definitely not liking it.
The sensor on the back, like the Note 9, was perfect. Easy to find... Holding the phone, the finger would land right on it, and it always worked. The screen one very often takes at least 2 tries, and is slower to respond.
Sigh...
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100% Agreed. The Note 9 had Iris Too, which gave it "intelligent Scan, meaning you could unlock at night using your eyes, if you didn't have access to finger print (due to dirty hands or gloves). The note 9 was really the last pure flagship as it didnt have any variants and was feature packed.
You are correct. I did not do for diligence. I let the Samsung trade-in offer motivate me to purchase it. I think the main reason I posted is to put a note out here for anyone exploring user experience. There wasn't much of that out yet when I ordered it.
I'll get used to the LED issue, bit the finger on the screen is going to constantly one it's finger in my face
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You'll get used with it no worries. I had the same feeling as you last year when I bought Note 10...especially with the led. Now I don't even notice. There's an app called AODnotify, I got the Pro version but you could try first the free one. Is basically doing same thing as a led but with much more customization. The whole point of the led was to notify you there's something new on the phone. This app does the same by lightning up the AOD display and in the rest of the time you could have AOD off to conserve battery or, as I like it most, set AOD to show on tap
This way you have a battery friendly notification and you know when you get something on phone even if you were not nearby. Check it...and try to adapt to the changes instead of rejecting them. You will enjoy your device better
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AODNotify is the app I am using. I may test how bad it his the battery if I have it on until I clear the notifications. As it is now the notification is off as much as it's on (during a notification) for battery savings. So in the end am important notification might very well go unnoticed.
If you ever use an iPhone, you won't notice the led... and finger unlock(iPhones above version X).
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If you ever use an iPhone, you won't notice the led... and finger unlock(iPhones above version X).
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But op didn't use an iPhone they used an Android phone with an LED.
This is kind of like telling someone that lost their legs, don't worry if you never had legs you won't miss not having legs.
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First... No LED. I really relied on that. I didn't even think to check if it was there. I did find an app that will put a colored circle around the camera
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First, you should have done your research before buying. Then this thread would never exist. Second, on-screen notifications and flashing circles around the camera are far more noticeable than a tiny LED light that you could only see from certain angles. As others have said, AODNotify is one of the best LED Notification alternatives. Use it, like it, love it. Get used to it.
Oh, you are so helpful. Thank you for telling me I should have done my research. I would have never thought of that.
I am using aod notify, it does not show up near as good as an LED light when the phone is off. Maybe you have supervision, I don't.
If this thread bothers you so much, why did you bother to reply?
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First, you should have done your research before buying. Then this thread would never exist. Second, on-screen notifications and flashing circles around the camera are far more noticeable than a tiny LED light that you could only see from certain angles. As others have said, AODNotify is one of the best LED Notification alternatives. Use it, like it, love it. Get used to it.
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Claiming one is better than the other is kind of subjective.
I could tell if my phone was charging (or done charging) from across the room with the LED. I absolutely knew I had a notification if the solid red (or green) light was not on.
Nevermind this didn't require a third party app to accomplish.
I totally get liking the phone but pretending something as simple and useful as an LED light isn't useful at all to justify liking the phone is a tad much innit.
The way I see it, I appreciate the edge to edge display so much that I didn't mind sacrificing the led for it.