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Let's be honest to ourselves here guys, out beloved Moto X Style was officially released in September which means this phone has now been out for at least 3 months and while all the effort that has since been put in this devices by key developers and people from day 1 up till now is very much appreciated and will continue to be appreciated, the development of this device compared to most flagships has been slow motion.
I am just trying to understand what the hell went wrong with this phone that made it end up with such super slow motion development, as when I originally bought the device I was thinking this phone would be at least in the top 20 most active phones on XDA development wise.
It had so much going for it, easy root, easy unlockable bootloader, a pretty much almost complete stock version of android, kernel sources released and motorolas good track record of updating their flagship phones in a timely manner and good hardware to accompany the great bloatware free stock software and a cheap price compared to some other flagships from other companies such as Samsung and Sony
With all this in mind I thought developers would flock to this device and we would have a massive development forum with loads of options between custom roms, mods, themes and other tweaks etc
But this is far from the case and I know the Nexus 6P being released probably had something to do with it, Still this should have been at least in top 20
At first I thought when Android 6.0 MM will be released development will increase then we needed the kernel sources as that was apparently not enough, then we had kernel sources but apart from 1 or 2 roms showing up being in alpha stages nothings changed too much.
This is such a disappointment to say the least.
If only I could understand why this is happening maybe something could be done to fix this or increase the development of this phone, I dont know maybe get some developers from the nexus 6p forums on here some how ...
Any ideas why this has happened and if anything can be done to increase development?
IS THERE ANY WAY WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN GET MORE DEVELOPERS TO WORK ON THIS DEVICE?
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If only I could understand why this is happening maybe something could be done to fix this or increase the development of this phone, I dont know maybe get some developers from the nexus 6p forums on here some how ...
Any ideas why this has happened and if anything can be done to increase development?
IS THERE ANY WAY WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN GET MORE DEVELOPERS TO WORK ON THIS DEVICE?
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I think it's due to a combination of factors, such as :
1) The popularity of the phone/ manufacturer. These figures show Lenovo/Motorloa in 5th place for sales, having a 3.7% market share in Q3 2015
2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
3) With phones getting more expensive, more people are put off from unlocking their bootloader due to warranty issues
4) I'm no longer convinced about the benefits of custom ROMs - seems a lot of the time they break more things than they fix. Maybe a lot of other people now think the same.
5) Some apps, for example ones for mobile banking or subscrition TV & Video, will not work with a rooted phone.
In the past I've had various phones from various manufacturers, and I'd say if you get your kicks from installing custom ROMs, then buy a Nexus.
When i had the one plus one there were so many roms that was a brain storm... I prefer some and reliable roms than a plethora where you get confused!!!
2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
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4) I'm no longer convinced about the benefits of custom ROMs - seems a lot of the time they break more things than they fix. Maybe a lot of other people now think the same.
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IMO you hit the nail on the head. I love this phone. I had the MXPE 2014 as well, was not a fan. Also owned the original, Loved it.
This MXPE has been great in imo, the lack of development has not been disappointing to me. The stock rom is really pretty good, there are minor tweaks that can be done but most can do these on their own.
I used to be a flash-aholic, but like @GretaLewd has stated...custom roms tend to break things. I'm more in favor of kernel development. But how many different kernels can you have? One way or another they'll be the same.
I also own a Nexus 6P, but my MXPE is my go to device.
I see users complaining about this phone constantly, I really don't think it matters what phone you put in the hands of those users...they would still find fault and complain.
Motorola and Lenovo did good by this device, I just hope they keep up with incrementals for a while.
Isn't the 64bit cpu reason because it takes more work to get cm/aosp roms?
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Good thread. Would love to hear more thoughts
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Ordered the device today. Hope slow development doesn't disappoint me on this device, as others have stated...
I have been using this device for 2 months now. I am happy with it an didn't face a single issue. I can do a little bit tweaking myself using Xposed.
So far the slow development doesn't bother me.
Only buy a device for what it can do out of the box, not what you hope it will be able to do with additional modding and development... Nothing else is guaranteed!
As it stands I'm very happy with my rooted stock Style, not need for custom roms.
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Only buy a device for what it can do out of the box, not what you hope it will be able to do with additional modding and development... Nothing else is guaranteed!
As it stands I'm very happy with my rooted stock Style, not need for custom roms.
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That's a good way to approach Android phones I suppose but I believe
it's still nice to buy a phone that's great out of the box and good development wise, usually flagships tend to have good development and then the mid range and low end phones tend to get smaller developments but I guess there's an exception to everything.
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Isn't the 64bit cpu reason because it takes more work to get cm/aosp roms?
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I doubt that's the reason since 64 Bit has been the standard since Lollipop and pretty much all the flagships have a 64bit cpu since the beggining of 2015 but that doesn't stop other development forums from flourishing.
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I think it's due to a combination of factors, such as :
1) The popularity of the phone/ manufacturer. These figures show Lenovo/Motorloa in 5th place for sales, having a 3.7% market share in Q3 2015
2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
3) With phones getting more expensive, more people are put off from unlocking their bootloader due to warranty issues
4) I'm no longer convinced about the benefits of custom ROMs - seems a lot of the time they break more things than they fix. Maybe a lot of other people now think the same.
5) Some apps, for example ones for mobile banking or subscrition TV & Video, will not work with a rooted phone.
In the past I've had various phones from various manufacturers, and I'd say if you get your kicks from installing custom ROMs, then buy a Nexus.
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Thank you for your break down on your thoughts of the subject and I must admit you've mention some very valid points here especially Point 1,2 and 5 but I think out of all of these its Point 1 and 2 that are the most significant, I suppose Motorola have a really small market share explains the lack of adoption between developers when comparing to some of the more prominent manufacturers such as samsung.
and The Android Stock OS has improved significantly within the past couple of years adding some new features that previously people had to root their phones to acomplish such as full app permission controls and backing up app data which google does for you now.
You need to follow development before buying a device these days. i.e. always wait at least 1-2 months. If you follow the development forums you would get an idea if developers are interested in said device or not. I for one, bought it right after I found out that AICP (CM12) rom was being developed. I was interested in running CM13 instead of other AOSP variations. And before I got the device the first (almost daily driver) builds were already uploaded.
Once cm is solid quite a few roms will pop up. Won't be long now.
Official MM has only been out for our phone for a little over a month. give it some time it may pick up. either way it's still an awesome phone out the box... and as stated above, once CM13 is stable im sure we'll see some of the other custom ROMs that are based off it.
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2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
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This is a great point, but I'd like to add that this is especially applicable to our MXPE. We're really close to stock as it is, so there's little motivation to go ROM to debloat like there is on Samsung, LG, and similar phones. On the flip side, we have a lot of really neat features (active display, approach, accelerator gestures, voice controls) that we would lose if we went ROM.
For me, these two points combine, leaving me with little motivation to ROM my phone, especially since I can could get most of the advantages of CyanogenMod with something like GravityBox, which will allow me to keep the Motorola features (I'm currently unrooted because of the warranty, but I'll be rooted in the future for sure) . Of course, these are my own personal opinions, but I suspect that they reflect at least some of the mindset of this community.
I agree with others, that custom roms are often more trouble than they're worth. The only reason to use them these days is if your device isn't going to be updated to the latest version of Android.
Ever since moto introduced 99% stock android + moto display, roms have been entirely unnecessary for me. I used to rom my phones to gain greater flexibility + customizability. Now that I have stock android + Xposed, I doubt I will ever flash another custom rom again.
I'm still waiting for custom super roms that will make this device best in the market. Why can we have a rom with 1080p display, tweak kernel with better control for heating issue for overall battery life and speed?
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The biggest issue is that developers don't support devices they don't own. With the launch of the nexus 6 (not the 6p) most developers got it and had no need to update to a y newer devices.
Also to the comment that all flag ships are 64 bit this is not the case. If you look the most popular devices as far as developers are concerned are non 64 bit.
Also as android matures you will see less and less roms. As it will be come harder. There are very few real development teams. Most are just kitchen sink roms. A base with tons of cherry picks and a new name. Nothing even worth looking at twice. But more developers are closing up the source of their projects because of these types of roms.
To be honest most users have no point in flashing roms. Only those that like the development side of it will continue to mod roms and flash things.
Gold L29 - yay!
OK, I'm an Android phone snob. Chronic flasher, thought I'd only buy Nexus devices. Pixel XL not good enough for me. As much of a Google fan I am, that device is not an upgrade and looks like an iPhone. I'm keeping my Nexus 6, have Verizon grandfathered unlimited data, the Mate 8 will be a new play phone for me and wanted something flashy (LOL) with a BIG screen. I bought a pretty crystal butterfly grip/stand which will look so cool with the gold. Looks like a great device.
Was waiting for the Mate 9, but couldn't wait any more and seems the 9 isn't a huge upgrade from the 8. Processor looks better but I think I'll be happy with the 8, then wait for the 10 hoping that they make a little improvement with the screen resolution (I know it's not a huge difference to the eye, but still...).
I'm excited to unlock and root this thing, looks like the guides are pretty strong. Reading a lot on the ROM/tool options. Haven't unlocked bootloader on a device or rooted for 2 years since my N6....should be interesting. Not a large amount of development but I think I'll be happy here and will have a new hobby.
Welcome aboard!
Welcome to Huawei Mate 8 club
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Gold L29 - yay!
OK, I'm an Android phone snob. Chronic flasher, thought I'd only buy Nexus devices. Pixel XL not good enough for me. As much of a Google fan I am, that device is not an upgrade and looks like an iPhone. I'm keeping my Nexus 6, have Verizon grandfathered unlimited data, the Mate 8 will be a new play phone for me and wanted something flashy (LOL) with a BIG screen. I bought a pretty crystal butterfly grip/stand which will look so cool with the gold. Looks like a great device.
Was waiting for the Mate 9, but couldn't wait any more and seems the 9 isn't a huge upgrade from the 8. Processor looks better but I think I'll be happy with the 8, then wait for the 10 hoping that they make a little improvement with the screen resolution (I know it's not a huge difference to the eye, but still...).
I'm excited to unlock and root this thing, looks like the guides are pretty strong. Reading a lot on the ROM/tool options. Haven't unlocked bootloader on a device or rooted for 2 years since my N6....should be interesting. Not a large amount of development but I think I'll be happy here and will have a new hobby.
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Hi,
I can sense the happiness in your writing I feel the same too. Just purchased Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10 few days back. As soon I received my phone, I updated it to Android Nougat and the results are outstanding.
Phone is so much better. Battery life is fantastic. I already crossed 10 hour mark (screen on time) twice so far easily. Features are all working. I was bit sad not to find "double tap to wake up" by default even though I found few apps on google play store which fulfill this requirement. I was pleasantly surprised to find Call recording available even without root. Fingerprint feature is new for me, my previous phones didn't have it so I am really enjoying this feature. Camera is good too. Overall, Huawei did a brilliant job with this phone. There are so many reasons to smile with this phone. It is perfect in every way.
Huawei Mate 9 seems to have a better processor, GPU and camera. At the moment, it is expensive for me but I hope I am able to purchase it in coming months . I love Android phones, tablets and high performance laptops. I used to flash a lot with Samsung phones and tablets few earlier but I reduced it significantly over the years. And at the moment I am just having loads of fun with Mate 8 with Nougat I am sure you will have plenty of fun too once you update to Nougat. I highly recommend updating to Nougat to everyone. It is really awesome on this phone.
Cheers!
Sam
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Hi,
I can sense the happiness in your writing I feel the same too. Just purchased Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10 few days back. As soon I received my phone, I updated it to Android Nougat and the results are outstanding.
Phone is so much better. Battery life is fantastic. I already crossed 10 hour mark (screen on time) twice so far easily. Features are all working. I was bit sad not to find "double tap to wake up" by default even though I found few apps on google play store which fulfill this requirement. I was pleasantly surprised to find Call recording available even without root. Fingerprint feature is new for me, my previous phones didn't have it so I am really enjoying this feature. Camera is good too. Overall, Huawei did a brilliant job with this phone. There are so many reasons to smile with this phone. It is perfect in every way.
Huawei Mate 9 seems to have a better processor, GPU and camera. At the moment, it is expensive for me but I hope I am able to purchase it in coming months . I love Android phones, tablets and high performance laptops. I used to flash a lot with Samsung phones and tablets few earlier but I reduced it significantly over the years. And at the moment I am just having loads of fun with Mate 8 with Nougat I am sure you will have plenty of fun too once you update to Nougat. I highly recommend updating to Nougat to everyone. It is really awesome on this phone.
Cheers!
Sam
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Thanks Sam - I'l take a look at Nougat update. I won't get it until Monday so I'll just keep reading until then! Super excited.
Just got my Mate 8! Ready to mod the hell out of it! [goes back to reading forum].
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Samavb said:
Hi,
I can sense the happiness in your writing I feel the same too. Just purchased Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10 few days back. As soon I received my phone, I updated it to Android Nougat and the results are outstanding.
Phone is so much better. Battery life is fantastic. I already crossed 10 hour mark (screen on time) twice so far easily. Features are all working. I was bit sad not to find "double tap to wake up" by default even though I found few apps on google play store which fulfill this requirement. I was pleasantly surprised to find Call recording available even without root. Fingerprint feature is new for me, my previous phones didn't have it so I am really enjoying this feature. Camera is good too. Overall, Huawei did a brilliant job with this phone. There are so many reasons to smile with this phone. It is perfect in every way.
Huawei Mate 9 seems to have a better processor, GPU and camera. At the moment, it is expensive for me but I hope I am able to purchase it in coming months . I love Android phones, tablets and high performance laptops. I used to flash a lot with Samsung phones and tablets few earlier but I reduced it significantly over the years. And at the moment I am just having loads of fun with Mate 8 with Nougat I am sure you will have plenty of fun too once you update to Nougat. I highly recommend updating to Nougat to everyone. It is really awesome on this phone.
Cheers!
Sam
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There is B562 for NXT-L29C432? I have B520 but has too many bugs
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There is B562 for NXT-L29C432? I have B520 but has too many bugs
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Hi,
You are right. There are bugs.
I have NXT-AL10 there are two more updates after B562. B573 and B575. They are slightly ok. I don't know what is the equivalent version of that for your model L29.But you might find minor improvements in the updates.
Can you take a screenshot of settings-> account e-mail>"add account" page?
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Cheers,
Sam
So I spent several hours today with my Mate 8 unlocking bootloader and rooting. It was a little tricky, primarily with drivers issues - every device is different with unlocking/rooting. The whole DC unlocker and reading bootloader code - what fun!
So now I have a Mate 8 with unlocked bootloader and rooted...now what to do? Now I'm researching the different ROM options, nougat, etc. It still seems tricky with the encryption thing and the builds/versions thing and isn't as straight forward!
Back...to the boards.... LOL.
Love the device -- glad I got this thing.
just bought one a few hours ago today. replaced my (absolutely ****e battery life) 6P guess I know which board I will be on all night long tonight
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just bought one a few hours ago today. replaced my (absolutely ****e battery life) 6P guess I know which board I will be on all night long tonight
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If you're going to unlock and root it, give a shout if you run into any problems. I made it through but a few hiccups along the way.
Now the decision is what ROM to do!!!
It can get a bit tough especially with the bootloader code stuff. I recently did it myself and flashed it to L29c636b211 from c636b320 both stock and its running incredibly smooth and fast. Battery life is very solid as well.
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just bought one a few hours ago today. replaced my (absolutely ****e battery life) 6P guess I know which board I will be on all night long tonight
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It can get a bit tough especially with the bootloader code stuff. I recently did it myself and flashed it to L29c636b211 from c636b320 both stock and its running incredibly smooth and fast. Battery life is very solid as well.
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Feel so embarrassed, the part on the bootloader code reading that got me what I thought I was all set when clicking Unlock OEM in developers settings and thought I didn't need to call in to change to manufacturer mode, but after a couple hours I realized I needed to do that! I'm glad though that I didn't wait the 14 days to get the code - seriously my impatience is worse than the $4.
If anyone has opinions on what ROM to flash please share. After the unlocking and rooting I'm ok with setting with a rooted stock Mate 8, but I'll get restless soon..... LOL.
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Feel so embarrassed, the part on the bootloader code reading that got me what I thought I was all set when clicking Unlock OEM in developers settings and thought I didn't need to call in to change to manufacturer mode, but after a couple hours I realized I needed to do that! I'm glad though that I didn't wait the 14 days to get the code - seriously my impatience is worse than the $4.
If anyone has opinions on what ROM to flash please share. After the unlocking and rooting I'm ok with setting with a rooted stock Mate 8, but I'll get restless soon..... LOL.
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i don't know why but i just got a feeling that you are flashoholic just like me, i was ok with stock rooted rom, but i needed to try something else, to change things a bit, so i had to flash nougat, and after that i found my self wanting to root, and i did it, so i am on rooted nougat Rom, i am so glad i did it, but still want more Lol
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i don't know why but i just got a feeling that you are flashoholic just like me, i was ok with stock rooted rom, but i needed to try something else, to change things a bit, so i had to flash nougat, and after that i found my self wanting to root, and i did it, so i am on rooted nougat Rom, i am so glad i did it, but still want more Lol
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How did you get to nougat ROM? I am on l29. I am not clear how to get to any ROM given encryption and different builds and what you have to flash back to. Lol.
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How did you get to nougat ROM? I am on l29. I am not clear how to get to any ROM given encryption and different builds and what you have to flash back to. Lol.
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well i'm on L09 but the diference is just the model files everything else must be identical, the steps i followed are the following: 1- install twrp in your current emui version which i guess in your case should be 4.0 2- download the nougat Rom and the data file for your model and put it on your sd card 3-flash the rom first and then the data file (so far you are still encrypted but as you are using the sd card to flash the files then twrp is able to see them) 4- after you flash both of the files you will boot to nougat and can complete the initial settup process 5- now to get root (optional) you can flash twrp for nougat using fastboot and then the recommended supersu, the thread to do that is located somewhere in the development forum if i am not mistaken.... i know it was quite lenghthy but those are the steps i followed.
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well i'm on L09 but the diference is just the model files everything else must be identical, the steps i followed are the following: 1- install twrp in your current emui version which i guess in your case should be 4.0 2- download the nougat Rom and the data file for your model and put it on your sd card 3-flash the rom first and then the data file (so far you are still encrypted but as you are using the sd card to flash the files then twrp is able to see them) 4- after you flash both of the files you will boot to nougat and can complete the initial settup process 5- now to get root (optional) you can flash twrp for nougat using fastboot and then the recommended supersu, the thread to do that is located somewhere in the development forum if i am not mistaken.... i know it was quite lenghthy but those are the steps i followed.
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Thanks - very helpful! Helps me to understand the steps better.
I'm still reading about the ROM options - KangVIP, Twisted, Nougat...to see what I want to try first. :silly:
Keep us posted on what rom you try. Im also looking into nougat roms but have read so far they are not fully stable yet. My current rom, b211, runs perfect for me so i dont want to run into issues with essentially beta builds.
I have roughly 24 hours to decide if I want to return this phone. I realize it's still a bit early, but I haven't seen much in the way of custom Rom development aside from an unofficial lineage build (which I have not tried because of the twrp issues) I bought this in hopes it would attract developers and become much like what the nexus phones used to be. I was specifically told by an essential representative that this phone was "yours to root and customize". That's all fine and dandy if I was a developer, but unfortunately that isn't the case. It also lacks software features, which I expected, but figured custom roms would solve that. I love the build quality, I'm ok with the camera quality, and the price was definitely acceptable. Today I experienced missed calls that never got through to me. Not sure if that's a Verizon issue or what. So I guess I'm looking for some quick input from you guys. Do you think development will take off? I'm not counting on essential for that. And also, has anyone experienced calls or texts not coming through? Aaaaaaand GO! ?
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I have roughly 24 hours to decide if I want to return this phone. I realize it's still a bit early, but I haven't seen much in the way of custom Rom development aside from an unofficial lineage build (which I have not tried because of the twrp issues) I bought this in hopes it would attract developers and become much like what the nexus phones used to be. I was specifically told by an essential representative that this phone was "yours to root and customize". That's all fine and dandy if I was a developer, but unfortunately that isn't the case. It also lacks software features, which I expected, but figured custom roms would solve that. I love the build quality, I'm ok with the camera quality, and the price was definitely acceptable. Today I experienced missed calls that never got through to me. Not sure if that's a Verizon issue or what. So I guess I'm looking for some quick input from you guys. Do you think development will take off? I'm not counting on essential for that. And also, has anyone experienced calls or texts not coming through? Aaaaaaand GO! ?
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It is, there is RR, Uber, LOS, XenonHD all in testing phases
That is exactly what I was hoping to hear. Thanks for the quick reply
never had issues with missed calls or texts (ATT here). If you purchased this recently at the discounted price (400-500), then I don't think you'll find something this aesthetically nice and with these features. And as Gimme stated, rom development is well on its way, especially with the sales over the last month there will be more support both from devs and 3rd market accessory suppliers (crossing my fingers).
YMMV, I never had a phone this nice before.
RR rom running perfect?
Where can I find these roms? The rom development section only has lineage
I'd love to get some totally un-biased views here, including pros and cons. This will probably also help others given the current circumstances and wading through old threads containing up to 4000 posts is a real PIA. Current info condensed into one new thread would be great and not introduce clutter in the ROM threads.
Given that even if we get Oreo, there will most likely be no further official updates, just wondering, from all of you who have used many ROMs, what is an honest view of which ROMs are nearly bug free? Are any bug free? For me stuff like call and camera issues are a total deal breaker. I use my phone for personal and work, including interstate and minor overseas travel. Not going to even install any ROM that is compromised in some way.
I put OmniROM MM on my Oppo Find 7 and that was fantastic. It even got updated to Nougat and I think still has updates so I reset it to a non rooted, stock (Omni) state and passed it on to my eldest daughter. It's being enjoyed and well used still.
I'd really like to get that kind of service life from my Axon 7 as it is a very good phone still.
I reccomend Oreo AEX,although i heard that dualsim is not currently working
Just like asking "what are the best headphones?", or "what are the best speakers?", the only real way to tell how well a certain ROM will work for YOU on YOUR PHONE is to try it. Even between phones of the exact same model, there will always be different experiences across users. Backup, wipe, flash & see if the features/performance you find are what work for you.
Well that won't be happening. I use it for work. Can't be flashing it all the time. Just needs to work and leave it alone.
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Well that won't be happening. I use it for work. Can't be flashing it all the time. Just needs to work and leave it alone.
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I'd use raystef's stock based roms then, check them out.
Most are nougat, one is oreo beta, pick your poison.
I've had really good experiences with Official lineageOS. It has been a seamless process without any hitches. I'm personally waiting for the official release of lineageOS 15.1 (if and when it comes out). I've installed lineage on various devices and have been super happy with all of them. My Moto G Titan feels like a new phone after I've installed it.
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I've had really good experiences with Official lineageOS. It has been a seamless process without any hitches. I'm personally waiting for the official release of lineageOS 15.1 (if and when it comes out). I've installed lineage on various devices and have been super happy with all of them. My Moto G Titan feels like a new phone after I've installed it.
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It's very device specific though. Sometimes a custom ROM (such as LOS, OMNI etc) will work well on one type of phone and be buggy on a different one. Not all phones work the same on them and I think the Axon 7 is one of those that ends up with buggy ROMs. The camera and DAC are complications that can be hard to get running well, also dual SIM can be an issue and I use it all.
If it's a choice between custom with bugs or stay on stock Nougat I would stay stock.
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If it's a choice between custom with bugs or stay on stock Nougat I would stay stock.
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The feedback on LOS doesn't seem to be too bad and I do understand that since I am also still stock but the problem is that the stock ROM is filled with bugs aswell. The screen brightness bug I get sometimes, the call bug, my Google play store crashes often, my GPS doesn't work properly etc etc. Those are all bugs the stock ROM itself has.
hii learned people
why now a days less ans less custom roms?. say it for samsung etc. look at our one plus no stable custom roms. i have a fear that after some years our xad must be irrelevant which i really dont want. the best place. i am asking from my heart. other than my profession i used to spend more time on xda before. now a days its becoming less. whch makes me very sad.
thank you
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dr.mouli
ayurmouli said:
hii learned people
why now a days less ans less custom roms?. say it for samsung etc. look at our one plus no stable custom roms. i have a fear that after some years our xad must be irrelevant which i really dont want. the best place. i am asking from my heart. other than my profession i used to spend more time on xda before. now a days its becoming less. whch makes me very sad.
thank you
regards
dr.mouli
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We have Resurrection Remix that is stable
There's a few stable OP 8 series Roms. I don't quite understand what you are going on about.
sir
FreshlyBaked 420 said:
There's a few stable OP 8 series Roms. I don't quite understand what you are going on about.
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the amount of custom roms are getting lesser and lesser every day. we dont even have stable twrp of our one plus. rooting is getting difficult day by day. are we heading for ios scenario
thank you
ayurmouli said:
the amount of custom roms are getting lesser and lesser every day. we dont even have stable twrp of our one plus. rooting is getting difficult day by day. are we heading for ios scenario
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Yes custom Roms aren't what they used to be. There's still options though. We do have stable TWRP on A10, A11 is going to take time. Not everything happens overnight. Rooting isn't hard either really.
The overall OS have improved a lot...
ayurmouli said:
hii learned people
why now a days less ans less custom roms?. say it for samsung etc. look at our one plus no stable custom roms. i have a fear that after some years our xad must be irrelevant which i really dont want. the best place. i am asking from my heart. other than my profession i used to spend more time on xda before. now a days its becoming less. whch makes me very sad.
thank you
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dr.mouli
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You can thank the dynamic super partition as the culprit behind this.
This is the real underlying cause of very few custom roms. It's also the cost of the device. many people can't afford a thousand bucks.
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Burt Squirtz said:
You can thank the dynamic super partition as the culprit behind this.
This is the real underlying cause of very few customer roms. It's also the cost of the device. many people can't afford a thousand bucks.
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exactly the base of android os is open source but slowly we are reaching for the closed eco system. unfortunately
ayurmouli said:
exactly the base of android os is open source but slowly we are reaching for the closed eco system. unfortunately
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That's right. I'm flashing roms since my galaxy S1. Ive never had a phone without custom rom. But nowadays stock roms starting to be better an better. Even MIUI is a great rom if you debloat it a lot! Today I'm only rooted with a custom kernel. I don't want to miss OEM feature and just want to have a stable rom! And with OxygenOS we have it!
There are ROMs and there is root, we really don't need twrp.
Root is extremely easy, as is unlocking the bootloader.
Personally I'm not a fan of the dual slot system, I think it just confuses the crap out of people, but what can you do.
I'm coming from a Huawei p20 pro. If you think it's bad here, just check out the "development" over there, and they were thriving not so long ago, now it's just as dead as death over there.
(They actually made a development section for the p40 Pro lol why? )
We'll have development for some time yet and will more than likely be root and development for many years to come.
Plus the developers we have here, a lot of them are self taught so why wait for someone else to do it for you?
Make yourself a ROM..
I've done it before (many moons ago) its a great feeling making a ROM you made yourself that boots, of course if it's a non OOS ROM you'll need twrp but that'll come in due course.
I agree in part that development has declined but we should be grateful for what we do have, which is more than a lot of other devices..
I think partly with 1+ it's because the OS is already pretty damn good, plus OnePlus haven't exactly made it impossible for us to mod things..
I also look at another flagship phone that released this year, almost low to none custom ROMs.
Yes thx, I've been on pixels for the last few years & always on a custom rom. I got kona soon as I could and have been loving it. While I have used magisk modules and custom kernel, this is the first time in a really long time that I've stayed on the stock os. The os has came a long way and am thankful to have kona and wouldn't change it for nothing. I've really enjoyed this device so far. Anyway thanks for sharing and just thought I'd share my thoughts.
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I also look at another flagship phone that released this year, almost low to none custom ROMs.
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Aye I've done the same, even the pixel seems lacking.
Are we looking at it wrong though? I mean back on the HTC devices I've owned sure I did a tonne of flashing but I usually settled on 1 or 2 ROMs and we do have more than that here, so do we have what we need rather than what we want?
Lol I'm sure we'd all prefer the latter, I would too, but it's something to think about, I mean Paranoid Android is here, sure it's had less updates than an rtx 3090 but it's here
To add to what others are saying... Cooking a ROM is a very time consuming project. Not a lot of people want to spend the time on it anymore. When I first got a smart phone, it was an HTC touch diamond. Windows phone OS. Back then, tons of people were learning to create custom ROMs and mods for them. That has slowly dwindled over time. On Android, ROMs were mostly created to get AOSP ported to most devices. Nowadays, all phones have custom hardware that needs a factory ROM to be useful. AOSP is not very desirable as it is the most basic form of Android with only basic functionality for mostly Pixel phones. Most people are now only concerned with using a debloated stock ROM and rooting for modules etc. This is the norm. I don't think it will change. It is what things have evolved into over time.
Also we can install treble ROMs can't we?
I've talked about this before.
There should be dedicated sections for functional treble ROMs where common issues can be laid bare so they can at least be worked on with specific device owners.
Asking a question about your own device in a treble thread seldom gets an answer.
AFAIK we'd need twrp unless Fastboot can be used? Not sure, have only managed to get one treble ROM to boot back on the p20 pro when I had it unlocked.
Most of it worked if memory serves..I'll give them a whirl next time I Bork my system or i get bored and will make a thread detailing which ones work.
i will never go for huawei
dladz said:
There are ROMs and there is root, we really don't need twrp.
Root is extremely easy, as is unlocking the bootloader.
Personally I'm not a fan of the dual slot system, I think it just confuses the crap out of people, but what can you do.
I'm coming from a Huawei p20 pro. If you think it's bad here, just check out the "development" over there, and they were thriving not so long ago, now it's just as dead as death over there.
(They actually made a development section for the p40 Pro lol why? )
We'll have development for some time yet and will more than likely be root and development for many years to come.
Plus the developers we have here, a lot of them are self taught so why wait for someone else to do it for you?
Make yourself a ROM..
I've done it before (many moons ago) its a great feeling making a ROM you made yourself that boots, of course if it's a non OOS ROM you'll need twrp but that'll come in due course.
I agree in part that development has declined but we should be grateful for what we do have, which is more than a lot of other devices..
I think partly with 1+ it's because the OS is already pretty damn good, plus OnePlus haven't exactly made it impossible for us to mod things..
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never allow us to open boot loader. u cant even root. i sold p30 pro after using it for 3 months. i always come back to android because we can root. other wise iphone is better in all the departments and it has value also. but if android is same as ios i.e closed eco system then who needs it. we do flashing etc because its fun. as a doctor this things makes me feel; good because i do something (rooting etc) which is beyond my profession. which is fun and entertaining
ayurmouli said:
never allow us to open boot loader. u cant even root. i sold p30 pro after using it for 3 months. i always come back to android because we can root. other wise iphone is better in all the departments and it has value also. but if android is same as ios i.e closed eco system then who needs it. we do flashing etc because its fun. as a doctor this things makes me feel; good because i do something (rooting etc) which is beyond my profession. which is fun and entertaining
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Actually I couldn't disagree more.
Point being the OS even without root is still better, still more open and content is still better.
Think Apple TV Vs Shield TV Pro, I can play Wii, GameCube, Dreamcast, arcade, neogeo, SNES, megadrive, Atari, Amiga, spectrum commodore, Amstrad, pc engine, pc games, Android games, can watch any movie, listen to any music, connect any controller (multiple controllers) wired or wireless, have it as a searchable Nas drive in my network, watch IPTV through it.
Apple TV can be used for apps like Netflix, that is it.
No file manager, no emulators, nothing.
iOS is not better than Android, not even close, maybe the camera and that's due to singular hardware.
Also Huawei/ honor devices DID allow bootloader unlocking, I know this as I unlocked my p20 pro they stopped it in July 2018 and then reopened it briefly in late 2018, nothing since.
Before this time it was always open, they partnered with XDA to promote their devices and then when they gathered ground they pulled the rug out from underneath everyone's feet, Huawei are slime, they deserve to be hit financially.
Anyone who bought a p30 or p40 is either not bothered about rooting or doesn't want the latest and greatest hardware (Mali GPU is horrific, Kirin is a joke)
If anyone does buy Huawei, they're contributing to the problem as they're still giving money to a company who went against everything that Android stands for.
There is literally no point of there being a P40 forum or P30. It's not even Android in my eyes.
The only way that will reverse is if people stop buying from Huawei/honor, if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.
Going back to Apple, the only device I like from them is their MacBook Pro simply for it's trackpad as I love the features it offers, but as an OS? No I'm always the phone nor OSX can cut it Vs Windows/Android..
And would you pay £2,500 for the privilege of using their trackpad? No I'd rather buy a top gaming rig.
It'll always be this way, Jesus iOS just got widgets lmfao,, welcome to 2007 Apple, haha.
And you think is better? You must be joking.