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okay after doing some hard thinking about my next upgrade and realizing i don't have a ton of money to spend on a real hero phone right now. id love to see one of the devs on here create the first fully functional android rom for our touch vogues. i know i seem to be the one on here who has no luck with most of the builds so far but something keeps bringing me back to android.
so heres the deal, i will offer $50 or more via paypal to the first dev who can make this happen. id like to see others join in and lets make this bounty worthwhile. it would be a ton cheaper for me to just buy another vogue even brand new rather than spend $300 on a hero or other android phone. i may even be willing to donate my old vogue for testing. im also hoping others may join in on this. i see some of the devs have stopped development or will by moving to real android phones. i think the vogue is a solid phone and a rom like this would really keep interest going and the community going strong. hell maybe even xda will give us our own dedicated android section for the vogue if we can do this. also since we have godzon who is very talented at skinning, maybe he can start creating themes we can use on the rom? just a thought but really the possibilities are endless IMO.
so my questions are:
who is up for the challenge?
can this be done legally without google getting upset?
which build should we use as a base? hero, xrom, ion , cupcake or tattoo?
can we root our phones after we create a rom so we can have full potential as a real android phone user?
so i ask you guys to join in with me in making this task/project worthwhile for one of our talented devs on here.
sorry i created another thread on this but lets keep all discussions about this in here from now on.
"forgot to mention, my offer stands until the first week in november. if i don't see any interest or beginning development ill withdraw and cave in and buy a real hero."
thanks, fixxxer
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okay after doing some hard thinking about my next upgrade and realizing i don't have a ton of money to spend on a real hero phone right now. id love to see one of the devs on here create the first fully functional android rom for our touch vogues. i know i seem to be the one on here who has no luck with most of the builds so far but something keeps bringing me back to android.
so heres the deal, i will offer $50 or more via paypal to the first dev who can make this happen. id like to see others join in and lets make this bounty worthwhile. it would be a ton cheaper for me to just buy another vogue even brand new rather than spend $300 on a hero or other android phone. i may even be willing to donate my old vogue for testing. im also hoping others may join in on this. i see some of the devs have stopped development or will by moving to real android phones. i think the vogue is a solid phone and a rom like this would really keep interest going and the community going strong. hell maybe even xda will give us our own dedicated android section for the vogue if we can do this.
so my questions are:
who is up for the challenge?
can this be done legally without google getting upset?
which build should we use as a base? hero, xrom, ion , cupcake or tattoo?
can we root our phones after we create a rom so we can have full potential as a real android phone user?
so i ask you guys to join in with me in making this task/project worthwhile for one of our talented devs on here.
sorry i created another thread on this but lets keep all discussions about this in here from now on.
thanks, fixxxer
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lol most likely the ion build.
zenulator said:
lol most likely the ion build.
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so you up for it zen? im serious here.
wouldn't the tattoo build be the best?
well donut. tattoo still has trouble with force closes on start. some incompatibilities with our ril because of proprietary code. so donut would be a great option once audio gets fully functional. i'm not about to brick my only phone......
zenulator said:
well donut. tattoo still has trouble with force closes on start. some incompatibilities with our ril because of proprietary code. so donut would be a great option once audio gets fully functional. i'm not about to brick my only phone......
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well whatever build you guys think would be best. i just thought this would be a great idea for us vogue users. why buy a android phone when we can have fully functional rom on our vogues? then we could work on rooting, themeing and all that good stuff.
what do you think zen, would you be interested in this? would you need a spare vogue to try this out on? i might be willing to donate mine or hopefully someone else will too. im sure i can pick up a spare vogue for cheap.
I like this idea espcially since us Sprint SERO guys don't have a viable Android option to use as of yet.
I'ld paypal $50 for a version that completely ditches WM off the phone and works well. It doesn't matter which version, once someone pioneers the trial others will follow.
gedster314 said:
I'ld paypal $50 for a version that completely ditches WM off the phone and works well. It doesn't matter which version, once someone pioneers the trial others will follow.
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+1...i really hope this thread doesn't die and i hope a dev will take this offer up.
Already said this in another thread, but I've got a spare Vogue (blacklisted ESN, I think) and, while I'd like to retain possession of it, I will blindly flash whatever a dev puts out for testing.
fixer you should summarize who all are offering what amounts.
I am willing to offer $20 for this!!
bid
if you can make it work, meaning build a rom based on hero or ion, i am willing to give the person 300, which is more than getting a tmobile plan with the my touch which i also do have, but i dont wanna get rid of my vogue, its been so good to me, i have it on metro, and for some reason market dont work when i am in android. still the bounty from my end will be 300 for a flashable android rom
i'd donate $50 as well..... im a huge fan of Android and would like to see this really happen
Before we go over to make a flashable rom we should look to get all hardware working for 100%. At the moment i think the risk to brick your phone is enormous. We should ask some of the spl people if they could help
I suppose it all depends, do you guys still want to have winmo? If not than it's not too terribly far away. Right now I can make my vogue start to boot the linux kernel, it totally wrecks the winmo everytime though. And there are some challenges to overcome..
Dual boot would be too cool, if ever possible....
were up to $470 right now to the first dev to make this possible.
and to mission....were talking about a fully flashable rom like winmo. i don't really see why this cannot be done with some hard work and teamwork. as i said my offer stands until i can get the hero which may be up to a month away yet.
sricke said:
Dual boot would be too cool, if ever possible....
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not really what were talking about here man. right now technically that's what we already have. android/vogue is nothing more than a program, we want a fully working operating system that can be flashed like real android users can. once again i cannot see why we can't make this happen. ive seen a ton of talented devs on here. i wish i could do even half of what they accomplish.
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Before we go over to make a flashable rom we should look to get all hardware working for 100%. At the moment i think the risk to brick your phone is enormous. We should ask some of the spl people if they could help
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agreed, you devs should get together and discuss this. hell maybe all of you can even split the money. ive posted this thread at a couple other places on the net, im sure the pot will grow.
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I suppose it all depends, do you guys still want to have winmo? If not than it's not too terribly far away. Right now I can make my vogue start to boot the linux kernel, it totally wrecks the winmo everytime though. And there are some challenges to overcome..
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If one was to flash completely to android would one be able to flash back to winmo later or would that option be wiped away with the pure android flash.
Also we need a bootloader like grub for our phones so that we could install multiple os's and choose which one too boot at startup, although that might be easier to do starting from an android phone.
i think that if you want dual boot and all that junk, stick with a computer.
i would like an flashable android ROM to get rid of winMo for good.
i would donate also if it gets done.
When the G1 came out it was the only Android powered device so modding it worked for everybody. And it was just one brand, HTC, so this forum was a one stop destination for modding our phone.
However, things have changed, now there are multiple phone with incompatible hardware from different manufacturers. Now a custom rom made for the G1, won't work on a DROID for example and vise versa. This complicates things quite a bit.
Right now Cyanogen mods are the best thing for our G1 and maybe the best thing for Android as a whole. I'm used to the build in tether capability and apps to SD and compcace and the other perks of a modded rom. But if I wanted to upgrade my phone, I would lose it all.
There are no Cyanogen mod for anything other than G1 and myTouch phones as far as I know and if I were to upgrade to DROID, I would lose root, lose tether, lose apps to SD, lose everything about my phone that makes it my phone.
Everything I wrote may not be facts, I don't really know what goes on at other forums, but I know that we don't have roms build to run on the DROID and we don't have them built to run on the HERO hardware, it's all for G1 and myTouch, and it seems to me that if I don't ha.ve on of those phones, I lose everything.
I do understand that this forum is for HTC devices which DROID and a few other's are not which is why I don't see homebrew for them. Is there a another website similar to this that supports all Android hardware?
These are thoughts that have been running through my head lately. If I am totally wrong here, please let me know.
I would say check out websites such as androidcommunity.com, androidandme.com, phandroid.com. The developers might not be on there but you can probably find links to where there are custom roms for the phones.
And you are right about different phones having different development oppurtunities. I thought about this today and realized that the next android phone I get not only has to be what I want but also be a popular phone that will attract developers such as cyan, maxisma, jac, manup and everyone else. My best guess and hope is that it will be a snapdragon android handset, hopefully for T-Mobile USA.
What we'll end up having to do is pick our phones based on it's community support and what kind of home brew is available for it.
The reason I love the G1 is the fact that it's rooted and has a large community. This phone is the best on the market, all things considered, because the rooted OS allows so much.
If and when the Droid is rooted, when a GSM version is released, and when it has T-Mo's 3G bands, I will move to it. But all those may not happen for another year or more. If you haven't played with a Droid yet, do so. Incredible speed and the best screen I have ever seen on a phone. Till then, G1 all the way.
The man is right, we have a problem on the dev side.
I think though, once 2.0 gets standard, we'll only need root for a few things like tethering and setting the CPU clock. Really cyanogen's only advantage is optimization, but once 2.0 and snapdragon rolls around, who cares? We'll always want to tinker, but it won't eclipse getting the phone you want.
The big problems right now are that the market isn't getting what it needs. Nothing compares to the HTC widgets, yet instead of cloning them on the market, we try and run a ROM that doesn't even work on our phones! We still don't have BT in Hero and it may just never happen.
2.0 will be what we need as a base, but the market needs our help now.
I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
alec.baldwin said:
I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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Thanks but this thread is not about who has the best rom.
The point is, when you get a new Android phone, your rom of choice won't be available for it. So what do you do?
alec.baldwin said:
I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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I think we all get it already, YOU are dwang's biggest fan
But, to stay on topic. My G1 is the first HTC device I've ever owned and I've only discovered XDA since I've had it, and I think that because of the community involvement here and the custom roms that have come out, I will definitely lean towards another HTC phone when I look for my next upgrade, and it will definately be an android phone.
Also another thing to look at is the availability of the phones that are out to actual dev's. Unless people are donating phones, I doubt everyone can just run out and pick up all the latest devices, and network restrictions/preferences that come along with them.
I think the easiest solution is as follows:
1. Find the dev you like best.
2. Find the phone you like best.
3. Buy phone you like best.
4. Buy/Create a donate link to get said dev the same phone.
Assuming said dev doesnt turn around and craigslist the phone you bought him/her, you have (hopefully) ensured said dev will migrate and develop on your favorite hardware.
Not the best solution but probably the most reliable.
alec.baldwin said:
I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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Seriously dude, are you going to diss me in every thread? What do you even contribute to this community? I've not received any patches or even logs of the "problems" you claim.
cyanogen said:
Seriously dude, are you going to diss me in every thread? What do you even contribute to this community? I've not received any patches or even logs of the "problems" you claim.
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For real.
Alec, you're like the little annoying brother that no one wants to be around.
Grow up, let your balls drop, and enjoy your phone, your life, and whatever rom you want.
But, you don't have to go around dissing well-respected devs.
The Droid hasn't been out long enough for a community to gather around it. Many of the Android big names are waiting to get GSM versions before tinkering.
Also, remember that the HTC Dream was in circulation well before it launched last year. The Android development phone is identical to the Dream, with the only difference being some swish art on the back cover. The hardware and software were free-flowing long before it landed in our hands. In contrast, the Droid was a much more secretive launch; we've only just got Eclair source code, and the SDK was kept under wraps by a non-disclosure agreement (probably to conceal the nuclear bomb that is Google Maps Navigation).
I find the cracking of the Droid to be inevitable. The poor thing is going to be broken just as much as our Dreams were. Just give it time.
As for ROMs being available over a span of phones, I'm not sure that's even a good idea. Android variants like XROM, cyanogenmod, The Dude's ROM, yadda yadda... they're all about maximising the capabilities of the Dream. Not the Droid, the Dream. Adding in features that the hardware can support, changing CPU frequencies, Apps2SD, all that jazz. Droid ROMs will be built around adding in core features, like Apps2SD, and whatever else the Droid has tucked away. Likewise, speed optimisations may not be portable between phones, as what gives the Dream a boost may hinder the Droid.
For me, features of a ROM are not the best part of homebrew Android builds. The best part is being able to upgrade your phone outside of the carrier's say-so. If T-mobile have no plans to push Eclair to Dreams, I will install it myself. I am not tied down by the say-so of a room full of suits three thousand miles away. If T-mobile don't include an app that I like, such as the IM app or the Amazon MP3 store (which T-mobile UK don't), I can get ROMs with them myself. If a carrier would rather I didn't tether without paying for my bandwidth twice, I can do it anyway, so long as I'm not an idiot.
You may have guessed that I have a very dim view of cell carriers.
With root, we are free to do as we like. This is the real killer feature of homebrew, and the Droid will benefit from it too.
Anyway...
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I want to acknowledge cyanogen, daproy, cyrowski, loccy, and alla for their contributions to the android community.
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It seems dwang himself has a much higher opinion of the man than a certain other someone.
AthlonBoy said:
The Droid hasn't been out long enough for a community to gather around it. Many of the Android big names are waiting to get GSM versions before tinkering.
Also, remember that the HTC Dream was in circulation well before it launched last year. The Android development phone is identical to the Dream, with the only difference being some swish art on the back cover. The hardware and software were free-flowing long before it landed in our hands. In contrast, the Droid was a much more secretive launch; we've only just got Eclair source code, and the SDK was kept under wraps by a non-disclosure agreement (probably to conceal the nuclear bomb that is Google Maps Navigation).
I find the cracking of the Droid to be inevitable. The poor thing is going to be broken just as much as our Dreams were. Just give it time.
As for ROMs being available over a span of phones, I'm not sure that's even a good idea. Android variants like XROM, cyanogenmod, The Dude's ROM, yadda yadda... they're all about maximising the capabilities of the Dream. Not the Droid, the Dream. Adding in features that the hardware can support, changing CPU frequencies, Apps2SD, all that jazz. Droid ROMs will be built around adding in core features, like Apps2SD, and whatever else the Droid has tucked away. Likewise, speed optimisations may not be portable between phones, as what gives the Dream a boost may hinder the Droid.
For me, features of a ROM are not the best part of homebrew Android builds. The best part is being able to upgrade your phone outside of the carrier's say-so. If T-mobile have no plans to push Eclair to Dreams, I will install it myself. I am not tied down by the say-so of a room full of suits three thousand miles away. If T-mobile don't include an app that I like, such as the IM app or the Amazon MP3 store (which T-mobile UK don't), I can get ROMs with them myself. If a carrier would rather I didn't tether without paying for my bandwidth twice, I can do it anyway, so long as I'm not an idiot.
You may have guessed that I have a very dim view of cell carriers.
With root, we are free to do as we like. This is the real killer feature of homebrew, and the Droid will benefit from it too.
Anyway...
It seems dwang himself has a much higher opinion of the man than a certain other someone.
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You seem to have almost got my point but not quite. Of coarse DOID doesn't need Cyanogen MOD specifically. But would you buy an Android phone if there weren't a mod that lets it do the things that we are used to and have only become available by modding? Apps to SD, tethering, themeing?
Sure DROID might get all these things though a custom rom but we won't see it on this website. The problem is that things will get too spread out and hard to find with all these new hardware options.
What would be nice is a rom that works on nearly every Android device that just adds root access to the phone and some basic universal packages like A2SD and tethering etc. That way you can buy any Android device you want and still have these basic privileges.
Do you think something like that would be possible?
Pinesal said:
You seem to have almost got my point but not quite. Of coarse DOID doesn't need Cyanogen MOD specifically. But would you buy an Android phone if there weren't a mod that lets it do the things that we are used to and have only become available by modding? Apps to SD, tethering, themeing?
Sure DROID might get all these things though a custom rom but we won't see it on this website. The problem is that things will get too spread out and hard to find with all these new hardware options.
What would be nice is a rom that works on nearly every Android device that just adds root access to the phone and some basic universal packages like A2SD and tethering etc. That way you can buy any Android device you want and still have these basic privileges.
Do you think something like that would be possible?
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Beats me, man. I'm not a developer. But I think it's unlikely.
For the DROID (and other/future android phones) is Apps2SD really necessary? The only reason why we need it on our phones is because of the pathetic amount of internal space the G1 has, the same goes for Swap Partitions etc.
As long as people buy the phone there is always going to be someone who is smart enough to work on rooting it IMO. And even without root what do you really lose? The only things I think I would really miss are Wireless Tether and Bluetooth File Transfer (Which I THINK is in 2.0 anyway).
I'm not buying a new phone until it's rooted and Cyanogen has it too.
My biggest requirement for any android phone..and any cell phone in general is the keyboard. I bought the G1 because of the keyboard and lucked out with the high number of developers available for it. I didn't find this place for several months during the time when the grandfather of the G1 mod program was still active =) JF!. I enjoyed all the modding and updating because I personally feel that the phone is, well mine. And I should be able to do what ever I want with it. I had picked up the V3C Razer because it could play MP3's. I get it home and then discover that the Verizon Nazi's completely locked down that feature so you where forced to use their service at an additional cost. Of course the motorola dev/repair/store software allowed us to get in a enable the various features that Verizon required to be locked. I also love the Aps2sd. No matter what phone you have, the internal memory will never be enough. And with the Cliq supporting 32gig sd cards, a full keyboard, and NOT verizon was enough for me. I'm patient and confident it will be rooted eventually. If not, I still have my G1 and I still do Cyanogen updates and play around with it. And when my contract is up with Tmob(renewed for the Cliq), I'll see who has the next most popular rooted phone with a keyboard and switch over. I just really hate people telling me how to use a device I own. Its like going to McDonalds and having them dictate what condiments to put on my BigMac and Fries, and then telling me I can only eat it a certain way and which hand to use. If Cyanogen was down with the Cliq, or interested in it. I may be willing to ship him my phone to see what he can come up with.
As far as a universal O/S for all phones, isn't that just the core Android software with specific drivers provided by each manufacturer and custom UI? There should be a way to make 1 O/S for all android phones, then have update packs with the drivers and UI enhancements and add-ons for each android phone released? Not sure of the SPL locks though. Thats a bit beyond me. But i wouldn't think it would be to hard to run Cyanogen on the Cliq or droid provided the correct drivers and such where bundled with it. Kind of like slipstreaming a service pack into a bootleg Windows OS . Each phone eventually has to release the source code which contains the drivers for that phone. Thats how we get the Cliq's OS onto the G1, should work the other way around too. Sounds easy, but Cyanogen's Rom should run on my Cliq, provided the drivers are slipstreamed into it for the Cliq...right? Only problem is root.. :/ hehehe
and there he flames again...alec.baldwin, no one has the problems you have with cyanogen's latest. actually, lets delve into this...what exactly are your "problems" with 4.2.5? PLEASE, answer this question so cyanogen can dutifully fix the "problems" you are having.
You might check out some of the Q/A threads to first learn how to properly flash cyanogen's ROM. It is slightly different than Dwang's because Cyanogen uses the legal method. In fact, check out www.cyanogenmod.com and you might find a ton of useful info on getting cm to work on your phone.
Best of Luck,
njuncos
P.S. Cyanogen, mad props on once again reaching over a million thread views on your latest. Now you own 3 of the top 4 most viewed threads of all time in Dream Android Development!
Hello all,
This post is meant so we can get to know each other before the dev community gets going. This way we learn what each other's strengths are and can maybe get things going better.
My name is Chuck and I am a well versed XDAer. I came from the HTC Wizard and WinMo and then moved on to the G1. There I learned from guys like JF, Haykuro and, everyone's hero, Cyanogen. I didn't really do any devving there though. I then moved on to the Hero and since we didn't really have any devs I stepped up and learned how to cook roms. Then I learned how to compile AOSP and kernels. I built the Gutted Hero rom, which I eventually abandoned due to time restraints but I know that won't happen here. I am attempting to learn more about linux exploits and gaining root so that hopefully I can help root this beautiful device when it comes today.
So anyone else who wants to please join in and let us know your background.
Hi Chuck!
I'm pretty much a n00b when it comes to the dev environment, but I want to jump in and get my hands dirty I started reading XDA back when the HTC Titan (Mogul) first hit the scenes, but then jumped into a Blackberry... Since jumping, I haven't really looked back into wanting to learn until news of Android... Then mentions of the HTC "Supersonic" coming to a CDMA carrier (I have Sprint btw) and as well as the N1 possibly releasing a CDMA version. That caught my attention and now I really want to learn and jump into developing!
Now I'm trying to read up as much from the different Android forums, but it's all so much... Trying to take it one step at a time. I'm not a complete n00b when technology is involved, as I used to build boxes back in the day of Pentium II/III, AMD T-Bird days, PC Tech for Gateway (when they had stores), and the sorts...
Stinks that the N1 is not coming to Sprint, but I am planning on getting the Evo. Definately wanting and willing to learn as much as I can!
admin over at SDX-developers.com
wrote my own root exploit for the samsung moment on android 2.1
modified/tweaked an open source recovery
with released open source linux kernel 2.6.27 and 2.6.29, compiled many custom kernels
strong suite, linux. decent with java. terrible with being creative like theming.
excited to work together on the EVO!
edit: for those interested - my android 2.1 resume all with the Samsung Moment
Root Exploit for Android 2.1
Online Kitchen
Linux 2.6.29 Android 2.1 Custom Kernel
Hey guys,
Ok, i have background what so ever... But im slowly learning java so i can start coding and so on with android. So basically my cup is empty...
just wanted to say hi !
Oh and another thing i wanted to add, I was always the guy that devs get files and stuff to for testing and made guides on how to install things and so on ^.^
side note
Themer
Well this is a nice way to meet each other and see what we can assist each other with. I began with editing files, back in the Apache the small fridge looking device . I've been in the windows scene for about 3-5 yrs or so and modded, and mostly created themes. In that time frameI learned to edit manila files,make cabs, and learned how to edit all different software ui apps, windows, and shell. The Vogue had the android files arranged and worked with to use in the sdcard and have the android working with it working I found out how to edit files and do some soft modding. I then learned how to theme but with family and biz I've still got the need to sit down and learn to package, and the rest of the guru qualities as some of you may have. Here is a thread I've begun as I did with the Hero for all creations, mods, themes etc to be shared. I've enjoyed learning and being a part of XDA, looking forward to the fellowship. I've begun editing the Evo files and created some clock's and will continue with rosie, taskbar and apk's you can view it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=685537
Apache-Mogul-Vogue Touch-TouchPro-Hero-Evo soon
Thanks to you all that played a part in rooting, roms, modding and making it possible for themers to give it a touch of class to share with everyone as you have with your work.. Thank you
Good idea for a thread.
I'm Justin--but it's easier to go by Shidell--and I'm moving over from the Vogue community. Within the last two years I've gotten serious about development, and have a strong .NET background with a (growing) C/C++ background. However, linux is still pretty foreign to me, which makes development on that platform somewhat challenging.
With the Vogue, I compiled my own build of Eclair for it from AOSP, and worked with Dzo, mssmison, jnadke (and others, all the names evade me right now) on updating/fixing the GPS library.
I'm fairly clueless when it comes to the bootloader, the kernel, how one would go about exploiting either to achieve root (or even how to go about doing so), but I'm eager to learn and help.
I plan on keeping my Vogue and continuing to learn by using that as a test device for more serious ambitions (kernel development/flashing, etc.) But I'll be actively involved in this community as well. Please feel free to ping me with questions, requests for assistance, etc.
(Also, I do have an Evo via Google I/O, so if you're looking for data a bit early, I'd be glad to help.)
Hello all- I have no experience with this stuff at all other rooting & running different roms/hacks on my former devices (g1 & mt3g) so I was debating whether to even post this here...however I am very interested in learning as much as I can about everything mentioned above & more- it is fascinating to me!
So any suggestions on where to start learning (books/links/etc)?
6/4/10 can't get get here soon enough!
tester here
i am willing to begin testing you may send me a pm and we can discuss over gtalk.
i have years of experience of flashing my phone numerous times back in the ppc6700 days and have had a moment since january and always flashing off sdx and am glad to be back on xda! hit me up ill work with you and tell you what bugs i find etc after i know your phone wasnt bricked
Hello, im a loyal follower of joeykrim from sdx-developers. No experience in writing or creating, but MORE than willing to be a test dummy, guide writer, as i can be quite explicit (the good kind), or a noob helper. pm me and i can get you my email address, phone number, or we can chat through facebook. not currently using any other methods of communication but im willing to switch to anything else more universally accepted by these fine forums.
EDIT: joined xda because the evo is coming out, and i hear this is THE place for htc devices. want to give all the assistance i can
My name is Dan, though I also go by Q. I got an EVO at Google I/O, and want to get it rooted while I still can (an NDA may get in the way soon)
I've been hacking on Linux for 8 years now, and know the entire system very well. I'm also not particularly afraid to solder (which is unfortunate, because I'm also not particularly good at it), so that may be an option. I also have a Droid and a Google ION.
I'm a jack-of-all-trades. I know some C, mediocre C++, C# expert, some java (easy to pick up), php, vb.net, etc. I know hardware, but not embedded stuff. I'm the geek that other computer geeks come to. You get the idea.
But, what skills are you using to modify the Android kernel? Do I need to know assembly? C++? I know I need to know C and the Linux kernel, but how much of the kernel do I need to know? Beginner, so-so, professional, expert? Do I need to know embedded Linux specifically? Do I need to know Linux drivers?
Just point me into the right direction, thanks!
I currently have the G1 from 2 years ago. I'm put my deposit down, and getting my EVO on 6/4/2010. I look forward to learning from you guys.
im well... toastcfh been through a lot with linux for sure. it all started with my old Dell Axim X50. i began working on linux for that device before android was a real deal. then i got a HTC Diamond and did a lot of kernel work for the support of linux on it and other HTC devices. got my HTC Heroc by a streak of luck and smooth talking for free (sprint can be dumb) . anyhow, on the Heroc i managed to be a big part of root,porting and development for it. the main things im known for is my work on Eclair for the Heroc and more recently my port of Eris 2.6.29 kernel source to the Heroc. creating my own board files through a lot of creative debugging and previous struggles with backporting drivers from .29 to .27. at the moment its the only .29 source for the Heroc as Sprint/HTC hasnt even released the .29 source for the device yet. also my work with overclocking the Heroc, but those are just notable contributions to the community ive made. im also the kind of person that is willing to help almost anyone. ask anyone whose ever asked for my help. i believe in the idea of open source and helping others. i also believe in giving credit where credit is due. or at least giving it the boyscout effort anyhow i cant promise ill be ablee to make ur EVO turn into a skynet and cleanup the oil spill in the Gulf. but i can promise that ill damn sure try. im not one to be told it cant be done, nor will i ever except that statement unless it can be proven without a shadow of a doubt (btw its pretty hard to prove to me )
anyhow im looking forward to root, as we need that first and for most. im happy to know we got some awesome devs here and coming soon.
as a single developer i am nothing. but together we can have everything.
toastcfh said:
im well... toastcfh been through a lot with linux for sure. it all started with my old Dell Axim X50. i began working on linux for that device before android was a real deal. then i got a HTC Diamond and did a lot of kernel work for the support of linux on it and other HTC devices. got my HTC Heroc by a streak of luck and smooth talking for free (sprint can be dumb) . anyhow, on the Heroc i managed to be a big part of root,porting and development for it. the main things im known for is my work on Eclair for the Heroc and more recently my port of Eris 2.6.29 kernel source to the Heroc. creating my own board files through a lot of creative debugging and previous struggles with backporting drivers from .29 to .27. at the moment its the only .29 source for the Heroc as Sprint/HTC hasnt even released the .29 source for the device yet. also my work with overclocking the Heroc, but those are just notable contributions to the community ive made. im also the kind of person that is willing to help almost anyone. ask anyone whose ever asked for my help. i believe in the idea of open source and helping others. i also believe in giving credit where credit is due. or at least giving it the boyscout effort anyhow i cant promise ill be ablee to make ur EVO turn into a skynet and cleanup the oil spill in the Gulf. but i can promise that ill damn sure try. im not one to be told it cant be done, nor will i ever except that statement unless it can be proven without a shadow of a doubt (btw its pretty hard to prove to me )
anyhow im looking forward to root, as we need that first and for most. im happy to know we got some awesome devs here and coming soon.
as a single developer i am nothing. but together we can have everything.
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yes! youre getting an evo 4g! we're going to have a nice group of devs here ..i having a feeling toast is going to be the one to port froyo
Cheers to all the great devs speaking out. I've been watching the android game from the sidelines since the G1... I've been a palm loyalist for the longest time, but I'm finally dropping the Pre to jump onthe EVO.
Can't wait to get into customs roms (bleh to Sense, hoping for vanilla froyo).
I'll be everyone's testpig, I promise
Hey guys, I'm Kyle. Currently a computer science major at Berkeley. I haven't really messed around with Android before, but I attended I/O and received an Evo. I really want to get this thing rooted, but I have no idea where to even start. If anybody has some pointers, that would be great.
Happy hacking
Adam / apristel - Live in Green Bay, WI, 15yr computer tech, mostly windoze and linux.
Started phone hacking when the RAZR came out. I helped get modmymoto.com going and spent alot of time being a mod there. I also created some very popular roms aka monsterpacks for the GSM V3 RAZR, then moved to the V6 MAXX....few years later got onto the WM Scene, got a TP and eventually a TP2. I made personal roms, never shared them, but I shared tons of hacks and cabs I made. I got sick of WM and got a moment and a hero. ..now the EVO in a few days.
I'm willing to put in what I can, I know I'm not at the level of you linux pro's but I'm not scared to try anything.
Glad to see familiar names here - this should be an exciting time. Glad to share it with you fellas.
Welcome me in!
I've done a lot of themes for HTC devices throughout the years. I've owned mainly windows mobile devices, such as i930, Apache, Titan, Touch Diamond, Touch Pro, and the Touch Pro 2. I've always been flashing ROM's and helping ROM dev's with hexing things, changing some layouts here and there, registry edits and of course testing it before it went public. I also host all this stuff online for free since I HATE countdown sites for a download.
I helped with MightyROM themes and we had over 7TB of data pulled from the servers, which is pretty amazing, but I'm all Android now!
I hope to learn Android quickly and hope that some of my tools will also work with it. I have good hosting capabilities if a dev needs it, and I'm more then willing to help. I've done work for over 10+ cooks, on over 8 different devices since 2003.
Background: BSCE, Machine Language on MIPS, x86 / arm / mot / att assembly, C/++ on Posix and Win32. PIC / HC11 system design. GCC cross compiling. Have a JTAG, digital storescope, and an HP protocol analyzer. Been using Linux exclusively at home since '99.
Projects:
- Open source contributor on a few Linux projects (mainly device driver / interface development)
- Helped with the Agenda Vr3 (Snow rom)
- Hacked around with the IPAQ Linux (hardware and software)
- Helped with the Zaurus FBVnc effort
- Helped with the IOpener hack / USB problems
- Helped with the EPOD Windows CE hack / drivers
- Helped with various efforts on the Palm Pre
Future Projects:
- Root (someone will probably beat me to this)
- WebKit over HDMI (not sure where it stands on launch day)
- BT HID Keyboard (sounds like we need some back porting here)
- BT HID Mouse (virgin territory from what I have seen)
- Video recording bitrate (fun project on the side)
The EVO is my first android phone, not my first HTC though. So hopefully I can help a little bit here and there.
Hello,
I work with a small company and develop everything from boards to firmware to full-blown desktop applications for interfacing with different sensors and devices.
I've started at both ends of the computer world and am working my way towards the middle. On one hand I know my way around assembler (although I prefer C...) and write firmware for AVRs and PIC microcontrollers and on the other I'm a fluent .Net developer and have built some pretty complex .Net applications, some PHP applications, and fiddled around with the Google web toolkit.
I've reverse engineered hardware before but nothing close to the complexity of the EVO. I've never developed for Android before but I'm eager to break out the SDK and learn. I have some limited Java experience (my philosophy is once you know one managed language you know them all and I have some extensive experience with it's cousin, C#).
Very eager to start tearing into the EVO and Android system and see if I can't contribute to the effort to root and expand this device!
I've never been a huge contributor to a community effort but I hope to change that in the coming years and see if I can't contribute something back to the communities I have learned so much from!
I'll be getting my EVO June 4th
Relative rookie here in terms of mobile devices. I've put together a few custom WinMo ROMs for co-workers and myself. I've quite a few devices, but currently have the ones in my sig. I'm a professional computer geek. I write apps in C++, various .NET, PHP, etc. and work primarily with server systems (Windows, Linux, Solaris, etc.).
Looking forward to contributing to the Android world soon. Lots of great stuff here.
Since Android has graced our amazing HD2s, I have grown a strong interest in learning more about and experincing Linux.
Recent releases of Android for HD2, while good and getting better, seem to have gone backwards in some areas. I have spent countless hours experimenting, reading, etc. So now, I seek the assistance of the community; specifically that of the Android Chef's - for lack of a better term.
I am asking for a little guidance in how I may become self sufficient and build my own Android ROMs for our HD2s. I am hoping I can solve some of my own issues, and in turn provide my experiance and ROM - if it's up to snuff - back to the community here.
TL;DR
Would some kind soul point me to the location to Read, download applications, etc or provide some minor instruction on building my own Android ROM. I do not have an aversion to reading and learning on my own, I have just hit a road block as to the direction I should take.
Thank you in advance.
Hatefly.
You can use coffeeshop to make your own android build.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738770
buzz killington said:
You can use coffeeshop to make your own android build.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738770
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Unfortunately, Coffeeshop isn't working at the moment. I'm experimenting with something else. I basically am trying to create an android rom the normal way in hopes i'll pick something up from that.
Got my Ubuntu / Virtualbox running and just finished installation. Now to get the Java.jde and .bin working.
Whole thing makes my head spin. Trying to figure out how to get our Kernal involved in the whole thing. I'm pretty sure i got the module thing "kinda" figured out.
Nothing still?
Makes me think these builds magically appeared out of nowhere
I like Linux, but it really depends on what your gonna use it for. I don't have it on my comp as a daily driver but its good if you like to tinker with.
As far as android, is there a kitchen for it? I had a kitchen for my HC Vouge and it was nice..just point and click. I just got my HD2 today and I love it.
Id really like to dive into dev for the Hd2 as far as themes and such go, but general dev,ill leave that for the pros.lol
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I like Linux, but it really depends on what your gonna use it for. I don't have it on my comp as a daily driver but its good if you like to tinker with.
As far as android, is there a kitchen for it? I had a kitchen for my HC Vouge and it was nice..just point and click. I just got my HD2 today and I love it.
Id really like to dive into dev for the Hd2 as far as themes and such go, but general dev,ill leave that for the pros.lol
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I'm not really sure how to theme with the android builds on the HD2 quite yet.
And yes, there are a couple kitchens for Android. They say they are not compatable with our HD2, but that has not stopped me from tinkering around with them and trying to learn as much as possible.
Trying to figure out how to actually build my own bootable Android ROM, problem is there is little to know info on how the few people who offer their ROMs actually performed this feat. if there is, I sure as hell have not found it.
I've spent 7+ hours reading and searching today alone. Not counting the last couple weeks.
As it looks like no one is really willing to offer me any help - must be an exclusive club or something - I'm prying I stumble upon a way to make it work.
/sigh... back to Ubuntu I go...
Hi friend, I do just want build my own rom for my hd2.
Unlike u, I even dont know how to start.
If u got any idea of cooking your own Rom, would you assist me at the time.
Dont take this Silly.
Today a new HTC ACE dump file has been released.
shree.cse said:
Hi friend, I do just want build my own rom for my hd2.
Unlike u, I even dont know how to start.
If u got any idea of cooking your own Rom, would you assist me at the time.
Dont take this Silly.
Today a new HTC ACE dump file has been released.
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Sup Shree,
Once I figure it out, or someone gives me a little help with it, i'll let you know. So far I have created two custom ROMs, but they only work for native android devices as far as I know.
I'm confused with the whole file structure and how to integrate our custom kernels and modules into the ROM so we can actually use our hardware.
Oh, and I got coffeeshop to work. Had a problem where ./start.sh wouldn't run from terminal. I got it to run another way though. Now, I'm left with a System.ex2 file I'm not sure what to do with yet, lol.
Some links that may help you get started:
http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=HaRET/Documentation
http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rootfs/Userfriendly
http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=QuickDeveloperStartGuide
NOTE: Not that I've gone to the trouble of building my own ROM... yet.
Hey, I don't post much as I mostly can find everything I need by searching, but I just wanted to say I'm not upgrading my phone until I know which phone all these great dev's are going to go to next. Where you go I go Devs
go for the phone, don't follow a dev, the ones we have now won't stay and they all won't be getting the same phone upgrade, there are many talented devs out there on another phone that will get the phone you upgrade to, be assured that whatever phone you choose, you will have great devs supporting it
fwiw I too hope they all get the evo2 also
I imagine these guys have no idea where they will go next. What if the Evo 2 comes out and they make the security even more hardcore than the G2? Will the devs move to that device if there isn't much they can do on it easily? Pick which phone you want, move there. If it isn't XDA, there will be some devs somewhere else for whatever phone you pick.