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The state of Android homebrew.

When the G1 came out it was the only Android powered device so modding it worked for everybody. And it was just one brand, HTC, so this forum was a one stop destination for modding our phone.
However, things have changed, now there are multiple phone with incompatible hardware from different manufacturers. Now a custom rom made for the G1, won't work on a DROID for example and vise versa. This complicates things quite a bit.
Right now Cyanogen mods are the best thing for our G1 and maybe the best thing for Android as a whole. I'm used to the build in tether capability and apps to SD and compcace and the other perks of a modded rom. But if I wanted to upgrade my phone, I would lose it all.
There are no Cyanogen mod for anything other than G1 and myTouch phones as far as I know and if I were to upgrade to DROID, I would lose root, lose tether, lose apps to SD, lose everything about my phone that makes it my phone.
Everything I wrote may not be facts, I don't really know what goes on at other forums, but I know that we don't have roms build to run on the DROID and we don't have them built to run on the HERO hardware, it's all for G1 and myTouch, and it seems to me that if I don't ha.ve on of those phones, I lose everything.
I do understand that this forum is for HTC devices which DROID and a few other's are not which is why I don't see homebrew for them. Is there a another website similar to this that supports all Android hardware?
These are thoughts that have been running through my head lately. If I am totally wrong here, please let me know.

I would say check out websites such as androidcommunity.com, androidandme.com, phandroid.com. The developers might not be on there but you can probably find links to where there are custom roms for the phones.
And you are right about different phones having different development oppurtunities. I thought about this today and realized that the next android phone I get not only has to be what I want but also be a popular phone that will attract developers such as cyan, maxisma, jac, manup and everyone else. My best guess and hope is that it will be a snapdragon android handset, hopefully for T-Mobile USA.

What we'll end up having to do is pick our phones based on it's community support and what kind of home brew is available for it.

The reason I love the G1 is the fact that it's rooted and has a large community. This phone is the best on the market, all things considered, because the rooted OS allows so much.
If and when the Droid is rooted, when a GSM version is released, and when it has T-Mo's 3G bands, I will move to it. But all those may not happen for another year or more. If you haven't played with a Droid yet, do so. Incredible speed and the best screen I have ever seen on a phone. Till then, G1 all the way.

The man is right, we have a problem on the dev side.
I think though, once 2.0 gets standard, we'll only need root for a few things like tethering and setting the CPU clock. Really cyanogen's only advantage is optimization, but once 2.0 and snapdragon rolls around, who cares? We'll always want to tinker, but it won't eclipse getting the phone you want.
The big problems right now are that the market isn't getting what it needs. Nothing compares to the HTC widgets, yet instead of cloning them on the market, we try and run a ROM that doesn't even work on our phones! We still don't have BT in Hero and it may just never happen.
2.0 will be what we need as a base, but the market needs our help now.

I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..

alec.baldwin said:
I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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Thanks but this thread is not about who has the best rom.
The point is, when you get a new Android phone, your rom of choice won't be available for it. So what do you do?

alec.baldwin said:
I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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I think we all get it already, YOU are dwang's biggest fan
But, to stay on topic. My G1 is the first HTC device I've ever owned and I've only discovered XDA since I've had it, and I think that because of the community involvement here and the custom roms that have come out, I will definitely lean towards another HTC phone when I look for my next upgrade, and it will definately be an android phone.
Also another thing to look at is the availability of the phones that are out to actual dev's. Unless people are donating phones, I doubt everyone can just run out and pick up all the latest devices, and network restrictions/preferences that come along with them.

I think the easiest solution is as follows:
1. Find the dev you like best.
2. Find the phone you like best.
3. Buy phone you like best.
4. Buy/Create a donate link to get said dev the same phone.
Assuming said dev doesnt turn around and craigslist the phone you bought him/her, you have (hopefully) ensured said dev will migrate and develop on your favorite hardware.
Not the best solution but probably the most reliable.

alec.baldwin said:
I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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Seriously dude, are you going to diss me in every thread? What do you even contribute to this community? I've not received any patches or even logs of the "problems" you claim.

cyanogen said:
Seriously dude, are you going to diss me in every thread? What do you even contribute to this community? I've not received any patches or even logs of the "problems" you claim.
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For real.
Alec, you're like the little annoying brother that no one wants to be around.
Grow up, let your balls drop, and enjoy your phone, your life, and whatever rom you want.
But, you don't have to go around dissing well-respected devs.

The Droid hasn't been out long enough for a community to gather around it. Many of the Android big names are waiting to get GSM versions before tinkering.
Also, remember that the HTC Dream was in circulation well before it launched last year. The Android development phone is identical to the Dream, with the only difference being some swish art on the back cover. The hardware and software were free-flowing long before it landed in our hands. In contrast, the Droid was a much more secretive launch; we've only just got Eclair source code, and the SDK was kept under wraps by a non-disclosure agreement (probably to conceal the nuclear bomb that is Google Maps Navigation).
I find the cracking of the Droid to be inevitable. The poor thing is going to be broken just as much as our Dreams were. Just give it time.
As for ROMs being available over a span of phones, I'm not sure that's even a good idea. Android variants like XROM, cyanogenmod, The Dude's ROM, yadda yadda... they're all about maximising the capabilities of the Dream. Not the Droid, the Dream. Adding in features that the hardware can support, changing CPU frequencies, Apps2SD, all that jazz. Droid ROMs will be built around adding in core features, like Apps2SD, and whatever else the Droid has tucked away. Likewise, speed optimisations may not be portable between phones, as what gives the Dream a boost may hinder the Droid.
For me, features of a ROM are not the best part of homebrew Android builds. The best part is being able to upgrade your phone outside of the carrier's say-so. If T-mobile have no plans to push Eclair to Dreams, I will install it myself. I am not tied down by the say-so of a room full of suits three thousand miles away. If T-mobile don't include an app that I like, such as the IM app or the Amazon MP3 store (which T-mobile UK don't), I can get ROMs with them myself. If a carrier would rather I didn't tether without paying for my bandwidth twice, I can do it anyway, so long as I'm not an idiot.
You may have guessed that I have a very dim view of cell carriers.
With root, we are free to do as we like. This is the real killer feature of homebrew, and the Droid will benefit from it too.
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I want to acknowledge cyanogen, daproy, cyrowski, loccy, and alla for their contributions to the android community.
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It seems dwang himself has a much higher opinion of the man than a certain other someone.

AthlonBoy said:
The Droid hasn't been out long enough for a community to gather around it. Many of the Android big names are waiting to get GSM versions before tinkering.
Also, remember that the HTC Dream was in circulation well before it launched last year. The Android development phone is identical to the Dream, with the only difference being some swish art on the back cover. The hardware and software were free-flowing long before it landed in our hands. In contrast, the Droid was a much more secretive launch; we've only just got Eclair source code, and the SDK was kept under wraps by a non-disclosure agreement (probably to conceal the nuclear bomb that is Google Maps Navigation).
I find the cracking of the Droid to be inevitable. The poor thing is going to be broken just as much as our Dreams were. Just give it time.
As for ROMs being available over a span of phones, I'm not sure that's even a good idea. Android variants like XROM, cyanogenmod, The Dude's ROM, yadda yadda... they're all about maximising the capabilities of the Dream. Not the Droid, the Dream. Adding in features that the hardware can support, changing CPU frequencies, Apps2SD, all that jazz. Droid ROMs will be built around adding in core features, like Apps2SD, and whatever else the Droid has tucked away. Likewise, speed optimisations may not be portable between phones, as what gives the Dream a boost may hinder the Droid.
For me, features of a ROM are not the best part of homebrew Android builds. The best part is being able to upgrade your phone outside of the carrier's say-so. If T-mobile have no plans to push Eclair to Dreams, I will install it myself. I am not tied down by the say-so of a room full of suits three thousand miles away. If T-mobile don't include an app that I like, such as the IM app or the Amazon MP3 store (which T-mobile UK don't), I can get ROMs with them myself. If a carrier would rather I didn't tether without paying for my bandwidth twice, I can do it anyway, so long as I'm not an idiot.
You may have guessed that I have a very dim view of cell carriers.
With root, we are free to do as we like. This is the real killer feature of homebrew, and the Droid will benefit from it too.
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It seems dwang himself has a much higher opinion of the man than a certain other someone.
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You seem to have almost got my point but not quite. Of coarse DOID doesn't need Cyanogen MOD specifically. But would you buy an Android phone if there weren't a mod that lets it do the things that we are used to and have only become available by modding? Apps to SD, tethering, themeing?
Sure DROID might get all these things though a custom rom but we won't see it on this website. The problem is that things will get too spread out and hard to find with all these new hardware options.
What would be nice is a rom that works on nearly every Android device that just adds root access to the phone and some basic universal packages like A2SD and tethering etc. That way you can buy any Android device you want and still have these basic privileges.
Do you think something like that would be possible?

Pinesal said:
You seem to have almost got my point but not quite. Of coarse DOID doesn't need Cyanogen MOD specifically. But would you buy an Android phone if there weren't a mod that lets it do the things that we are used to and have only become available by modding? Apps to SD, tethering, themeing?
Sure DROID might get all these things though a custom rom but we won't see it on this website. The problem is that things will get too spread out and hard to find with all these new hardware options.
What would be nice is a rom that works on nearly every Android device that just adds root access to the phone and some basic universal packages like A2SD and tethering etc. That way you can buy any Android device you want and still have these basic privileges.
Do you think something like that would be possible?
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Beats me, man. I'm not a developer. But I think it's unlikely.

For the DROID (and other/future android phones) is Apps2SD really necessary? The only reason why we need it on our phones is because of the pathetic amount of internal space the G1 has, the same goes for Swap Partitions etc.
As long as people buy the phone there is always going to be someone who is smart enough to work on rooting it IMO. And even without root what do you really lose? The only things I think I would really miss are Wireless Tether and Bluetooth File Transfer (Which I THINK is in 2.0 anyway).

I'm not buying a new phone until it's rooted and Cyanogen has it too.

My biggest requirement for any android phone..and any cell phone in general is the keyboard. I bought the G1 because of the keyboard and lucked out with the high number of developers available for it. I didn't find this place for several months during the time when the grandfather of the G1 mod program was still active =) JF!. I enjoyed all the modding and updating because I personally feel that the phone is, well mine. And I should be able to do what ever I want with it. I had picked up the V3C Razer because it could play MP3's. I get it home and then discover that the Verizon Nazi's completely locked down that feature so you where forced to use their service at an additional cost. Of course the motorola dev/repair/store software allowed us to get in a enable the various features that Verizon required to be locked. I also love the Aps2sd. No matter what phone you have, the internal memory will never be enough. And with the Cliq supporting 32gig sd cards, a full keyboard, and NOT verizon was enough for me. I'm patient and confident it will be rooted eventually. If not, I still have my G1 and I still do Cyanogen updates and play around with it. And when my contract is up with Tmob(renewed for the Cliq), I'll see who has the next most popular rooted phone with a keyboard and switch over. I just really hate people telling me how to use a device I own. Its like going to McDonalds and having them dictate what condiments to put on my BigMac and Fries, and then telling me I can only eat it a certain way and which hand to use. If Cyanogen was down with the Cliq, or interested in it. I may be willing to ship him my phone to see what he can come up with.
As far as a universal O/S for all phones, isn't that just the core Android software with specific drivers provided by each manufacturer and custom UI? There should be a way to make 1 O/S for all android phones, then have update packs with the drivers and UI enhancements and add-ons for each android phone released? Not sure of the SPL locks though. Thats a bit beyond me. But i wouldn't think it would be to hard to run Cyanogen on the Cliq or droid provided the correct drivers and such where bundled with it. Kind of like slipstreaming a service pack into a bootleg Windows OS . Each phone eventually has to release the source code which contains the drivers for that phone. Thats how we get the Cliq's OS onto the G1, should work the other way around too. Sounds easy, but Cyanogen's Rom should run on my Cliq, provided the drivers are slipstreamed into it for the Cliq...right? Only problem is root.. :/ hehehe

and there he flames again...alec.baldwin, no one has the problems you have with cyanogen's latest. actually, lets delve into this...what exactly are your "problems" with 4.2.5? PLEASE, answer this question so cyanogen can dutifully fix the "problems" you are having.
You might check out some of the Q/A threads to first learn how to properly flash cyanogen's ROM. It is slightly different than Dwang's because Cyanogen uses the legal method. In fact, check out www.cyanogenmod.com and you might find a ton of useful info on getting cm to work on your phone.
Best of Luck,
njuncos
P.S. Cyanogen, mad props on once again reaching over a million thread views on your latest. Now you own 3 of the top 4 most viewed threads of all time in Dream Android Development!

Are we going to see a push for an Android port for the Tmo HD2?

Are we going to see a push for an Android port similar to what they already have working on the Touch Pro 2? I was curious if this is already in the works, or if we're just going to have to wait for the EVO to come out and have someone port that over.

Android question
Dude to answer your question Android is the same for Europe, Australia, US, and China. It utilizes the same drivers so bro so no need to port, it has all ready been done.

std396 said:
Dude to answer your question Android is the same for Europe, Australia, US, and China. It utilizes the same drivers so bro so no need to port, it has all ready been done.
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not to be rude but he asked are we going to see a push for android to hd2. Obviously android will stay the same throughout other countries..other than language adaptations. N to answer the original question...yes there will be a push, im thnknin when the evo comes out we will have a better chance. N if there was a fully working android port to HD2 i would have it, i pray the day comess soon

I hope so, because its the only reason i got the HD2 to be honest, and that way i can get rid of my Nexus because WinMo isnt cutting it for me (

In the main HD2 forum there are a couple of Android Discussion & Dev threads. From what I have heard they are working on it but with the current available info it could be 6 months to a year before we see a working port, now that may or may not change when the Evo is released. You have to realise that even though the hardware is similar, the drivers and Kernel are much different so it's very difficult to make a port.
But that's pending the release so we will see.

Can i run Android on my HD2?
..And if so which one should i use?
Im already missing Android, this Winmo is making me want to pull my hair out..
Are there any with Sense UI that run 2.1 Android?

fociz said:
..And if so which one should i use?
Im already missing Android, this Winmo is making me want to pull my hair out..
Are there any with Sense UI that run 2.1 Android?
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If WinMo makes you want to pull your hair out, maybe you should go back to an Android device?
No, there are no fully working ports, and there probably won't be for a good year.
Why you'd want to castrate a phone like the HD2 with Android is beyond me though.

dude if you like Android why in the world would you buy the HD2? You already know this is running winmo from the start. if you're still in the 14day buyers remorse then return it. cant be that hard....... heard the desire is coming sometime this year to tmobile so save yourself from trouble and from pulling your hairs..... i myself is gettin' bald from people asking bout androids and crap for hd2.... lol

The HD2 is not that different from a desire/nexus 1, why not just buy that instead of buying a WM device then posting in a WM forum hoping for an android port? Seems simpler and you get a FULLY working device.

efjay said:
The HD2 is not that different from a desire/nexus 1, why not just buy that instead of buying a WM device then posting in a WM forum hoping for an android port? Seems simpler and you get a FULLY working device.
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you have a very valid point...
ne one wanna buy a hd2 unlocked $500 plus shipping n handling

Truefully I'm happy with the HD2. I sold my Nexus cuz I love the screen on this thing and you can't go wrong with snap dragon on this device but until TMO gets their own version of a the Supersonic um good for now.

I think this phone would be a beast with some form of Android on it.

This is probably the 20th thread created asking the same question... please search before starting new threads. They have been working on an Android port for months now. The EVO might help a little, but it will still be a long time before there is a decently working port... at least a year.

I dropped my G1 for this phone, I love Android and all, but the screen size and speed was worth it. I do hope someone gets Android running on it, because that would be just awesome. If not, it's no biggy.
Also, are there any partial ports of android? Like ones with no Wifi etc? I haven't seen anything, but I may have looked in the wrong places.

No there is nothing working yet, partial builds will be the first that we get and then go from there. But like said it may be up to a year before we do.

fociz said:
..And if so which one should i use?
Im already missing Android, this Winmo is making me want to pull my hair out..
Are there any with Sense UI that run 2.1 Android?
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The *hope* is to dump the kernel from the Supersonic on Sprint when it comes out this summer. That *might* help a bit with drivers and whatnot, but even then, it is going to take some work.

so all-in-all... there will definately be android on the HD2 eventually, correct ? (I am looking forward to it...)

erebusting said:
so all-in-all... there will definately be android on the HD2 eventually, correct ? (I am looking forward to it...)
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really???
No, there's no definite anything. Android may never get ported. WM7 may never work. There's some talented people out there but that doesn't guarantee a damn thing.

chrisrj28 said:
No there is nothing working yet, partial builds will be the first that we get and then go from there. But like said it may be up to a year before we do.
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By that time Windows Phone 7 will probably be ported over to the HD2.

Why buy a WM phone and wish for Android? Why not just get the N1? Android and Windows are made for two different types of people. Those who just want to press a button and those who want to see how the button works and change it to do other things.
From day one, WM was never meant to be an "out the box and work like a charm" device. It always required a little tinkering. Hearing all this "I wish it had Android" makes me wanna puke!

Is there still an progress of the Android port?

Hey all,
Im quite new and I was wondering if someone knows if there still is a progress of the android port to the HD2.
I've searched myselfs lots of times but I didnt find anything except in the [CLOSED] ANDROID/MAEMO/LINUX on HD2 [NO MORE ACTIVE!!] thread (CANT URL THIS IM NEW!!!)and its closed...
So my question was... Is there still a progress going on? and how far is the progress? Please reply.
Greetings Hawiak

This is the new thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651632
They're still working on getting Linux on there and from there Android will go on. It's going to take a while (many months).

aceo07 said:
This is the new thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651632
They're still working on getting Linux on there and from there Android will go on. It's going to take a while (many months).
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Thank you for your friendly response!
Ok I expected someone was working on it and I also expected that it would take some time to develop this port.
Thanks again!

Im glad its going to take a few months!
Because when Im bored of my phone, I can look forward to giving it new life in droid form

lonelykatana said:
Im glad its going to take a few months!
Because when Im bored of my phone, I can look forward to giving it new life in droid form
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Its not for sure it only would take some months mayby it can take much longer in the worse case it can turn out on nothing!

Hawiak said:
Its not for sure it only would take some months mayby it can take much longer in the worse case it can turn out on nothing!
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Yeah, there's no way to positively say how long it will be or even if it will ever be done.... right now they are stuck on some kernel issues that they have yet to figure out. They haven't made any more progress for a couple weeks, I think. But I'm remaining hopeful.... I think things will work out eventually. I'm in no rush for Android.

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Yeah, there's no way to positively say how long it will be or even if it will ever be done.... right now they are stuck on some kernel issues that they have yet to figure out. They haven't made any more progress for a couple weeks, I think. But I'm remaining hopeful.... I think things will work out eventually. I'm in no rush for Android.
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Am not expert when it comes to this but am guessing things might get a little better when the evo comes out as they have both got simmiler hard ware so they might be able to use the drivers etc.

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Am not expert when it comes to this but am guessing things might get a little better when the evo comes out as they have both got simmiler hard ware so they might be able to use the drivers etc.
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The drivers aren't the main issues.... they already have a lot of the drivers. The main thing they were hoping to get from the evo is the touchscreen... but it uses a different touch sensor than the HD2, so probably no luck there. The evo might help a little, but probably not any more than the nexus one did. It's just gonna take time to work out the kernel issues.

With so many android phones coming out with specs similar or even better than the HD2, this is a futile attempt.

zarathustrax said:
Yeah, there's no way to positively say how long it will be or even if it will ever be done.... right now they are stuck on some kernel issues that they have yet to figure out. They haven't made any more progress for a couple weeks, I think. But I'm remaining hopeful.... I think things will work out eventually. I'm in no rush for Android.
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This is the worst kind of news... I mean, baby steps are fine, but no progress makes me worry.
... not wishing to bash the people who are working on this, just stating my worries here.
BTW, I'm sort of amazed that hardware manufacturers would rather side with software developers rather than the community. IE: Throw down the specifications and then porting one phone OS to another phone won't be such a problem, right? Instead, they keep the specs hidden and only one software company gets them (in this case MS). If software could be changed, it would force the developers to put some more effort into it.
Alternatively... are there any phones with Android and Snapdragon-like CPUs coming out sometimes soon? I bet that'd help.

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With so many android phones coming out with specs similar or even better than the HD2, this is a futile attempt.
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Why is it a futile attempt? It was known from the start that there will be just as good or better android phones by the time it was finished. Thats how it was for all the android ports to WinMo devices in the past. I dont want to use android full time... anyone who does should have gotten an android device instead of a WinMo device. I want to use my WinMo most of the time, but have the ability to boot into android on the same phone and use that if I want to. Android or Linux ports were never being developed to completely replace WinMo... just get an android phone if you want that.

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Why is it a futile attempt? It was known from the start that there will be just as good or better android phones by the time it was finished. Thats how it was for all the android ports to WinMo devices in the past. I dont want to use android full time... anyone who does should have gotten an android device instead of a WinMo device. I want to use my WinMo most of the time, but have the ability to boot into android on the same phone and use that if I want to. Android or Linux ports were never being developed to completely replace WinMo... just get an android phone if you want that.
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Well I understand but I prefer 2 fully working OSes on 1 device that you can have a choice is nice tho...

zarathustrax said:
Why is it a futile attempt? It was known from the start that there will be just as good or better android phones by the time it was finished. Thats how it was for all the android ports to WinMo devices in the past. I dont want to use android full time... anyone who does should have gotten an android device instead of a WinMo device. I want to use my WinMo most of the time, but have the ability to boot into android on the same phone and use that if I want to. Android or Linux ports were never being developed to completely replace WinMo... just get an android phone if you want that.
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shoot, the only reason I want Android is for the apps. I could care less if the radio worked correctly. a phone is a phone. The apps and hardware is what makes it stand out and we got some bad ass hardware.

STAGNANT

yes i know the g1 is a basically crap compared to these newer android phones..that doesn't mean devs should just throw it out the window
all most g1 devs do now is wait for a cyanogen rom to come out and then tweek it..
i mean there is nothing wrong with that but it makes the whole point of developing your own stuff pointless. and if im correct the g1 has soo many types on roms that are out there that were just thrown away.
for example: kings espresso rom which is light then the slide rom..everybody is working on the slide one but why isnt anyone trying to work on the espresso rom
and then the froyo roms, jubeh started with one..chiefz said he was making one..they both scarped there roms to wait for cyanogen
jcarrz and the aria rom..he said he would try to make one..a few days later he comes back..uploads the the boot.img and some other files and basically says figure it out
im not dev..and i greatly appreciate the work devs do..and im well aware is not piece of cake..but what happened to the friendly competitiveness that use to be here..what happened to devs making roms to try something different..
p.s. am i the only one who hates the rounded edges on cyanogen mods lol..they make me feel crazy

SmartBrother90 said:
yes i know the g1 is a basically crap compared to these newer android phones..that doesn't mean devs should just throw it out the window
all most g1 devs do now is wait for a cyanogen rom to come out and then tweek it..
i mean there is nothing wrong with that but it makes the whole point of developing your own stuff pointless. and if im correct the g1 has soo many types on roms that are out there that were just thrown away.
for example: kings espresso rom which is light then the slide rom..everybody is working on the slide one but why isnt anyone trying to work on the espresso rom
and then the froyo roms, jubeh started with one..chiefz said he was making one..they both scarped there roms to wait for cyanogen
jcarrz and the aria rom..he said he would try to make one..a few days later he comes back..uploads the the boot.img and some other files and basically says figure it out
im not dev..and i greatly appreciate the work devs do..and im well aware is not piece of cake..but what happened to the friendly competitiveness that use to be here..what happened to devs making roms to try something different..
p.s. am i the only one who hates the rounded edges on cyanogen mods lol..they make me feel crazy
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in b4 the haters.
j/k. the g1 is not crap! it just needs 128mb more of ram. also, about the devs..they usually do work on phones that they use themselves, and sadly, more and more devs are upgrading to newer phones.

jamesd86 said:
in b4 the haters.
j/k. the g1 is not crap! it just needs 128mb more of ram. also, about the devs..they usually do work on phones that they use themselves, and sadly, more and more devs are upgrading to newer phones.
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lol i kno its not crap..i think its the best android phone if only htc would take it seriously & give us a sequel....about the devs most android devs have a g1 because that where they all started and even with that with all the new phones out..the majority is deving for the n1..while we just get many versions of cyanogen mods..

My rom is finished on my end, and it works just as I like it. I just can't be bothered with a community that wants different things, some of which don't make any flippin sense.
I feel CM covers a lot of bases, bloated as it is, but us who rush "tastes" do it exactly for that, a "taste" (sometimes I will finish a rom like I did with Tiny Hero).
I personally lack the knowledge to fix as many things as the CM team does around the clock (and, AFAIK, there's only one of me compared to a team of at least 8 in CM), but there's a satisfaction I get when I finish a rom and all works just as I wanted, without all the extra bloat designed to catter to everyone else.
You're proposing that nobody's doing anything for the dream anymore except for CM. How about you take up the challenge.
Variety went out the window when people started flaunting feature X or hack Y and then the community took it as a given.
I get tired of seeing idiots asking for a2sd hack (which I personally despise), oc'd kernels (which are just placebo), and other things.
All I'm interested in implementing on my roms is root, compcache, iptables for wifi/usb tether, smart cpu scaling, and a lean/fast en-US only rom. I honestly could care less about other locales, features, etc.

You should see how bad it is for iPhone jailbreaks. I own an iPod touch so same community. People will literally harass jailbreakers to make a new one.

jubeh said:
My rom is finished on my end, and it works just as I like it. I just can't be bothered with a community that wants different things, some of which don't make any flippin sense.
I feel CM covers a lot of bases, bloated as it is, but us who rush "tastes" do it exactly for that, a "taste" (sometimes I will finish a rom like I did with Tiny Hero).
I personally lack the knowledge to fix as many things as the CM team does around the clock (and, AFAIK, there's only one of me compared to a team of at least 8 in CM), but there's a satisfaction I get when I finish a rom and all works just as I wanted, without all the extra bloat designed to catter to everyone else.
You're proposing that nobody's doing anything for the dream anymore except for CM. How about you take up the challenge.
Variety went out the window when people started flaunting feature X or hack Y and then the community took it as a given.
I get tired of seeing idiots asking for a2sd hack (which I personally despise), oc'd kernels (which are just placebo), and other things.
All I'm interested in implementing on my roms is root, compcache, iptables for wifi/usb tether, smart cpu scaling, and a lean/fast en-US only rom. I honestly could care less about other locales, features, etc.
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i definitely understand you..cause i just need my phone to work as a phone..no need for overclocking and all that extra crap...personally i dont even have apps on my phone besides google maps & root explorer..and about deving i would but i dont think i have the patience..i mean CM is doing a great job no doubt..
but the thing that bugs me the most about his work are the ROUNDED CORNERS on the top of the screen..I HATE THAT..lol..like that the only thing that prevents me from using his roms..cause it make everything else seem smaller..
can someone explains why there like that..and if they is away to change it..cause i see when ppl make black theme patches it goes back to normal..so would there be away to do that also with the default bar

It is natural progression as the g1 ages developers are going to want to develop for their newer devices..remember they have lives and don't get salaries for their deving.so it's completely reasonable that they wouldn't want to develop for multiple devices. Unless your putting your hand up saying your willling to learn to dev I don't see the point of opening a thread ranting about developers not doing what you seem to beleive is their duty.
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i kinda agree and disagree they have moved on but whoever is still here should try to make other roms bsides bases of cyanogen... there used to be lots of roms from kin but none were finished maybe someone could take his work and complete it or possibly impliment the new things or hacks that have been made now into the old roms it would be great to have some new old roms out that work 100% i know we can have fast sense roms just look at zachs rom that thing is freaking blazing fast for hero 2.1 but i cant hide sim contacts so no go for me...

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It is natural progression as the g1 ages developers are going to want to develop for their newer devices..remember they have lives and don't get salaries for their deving.so it's completely reasonable that they wouldn't want to develop for multiple devices. Unless your putting your hand up saying your willling to learn to dev I don't see the point of opening a thread ranting about developers not doing what you seem to beleive is their duty.
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to rant is to complain about something..im not complaining..im just questioning whats happening to devs that all..and yes im aware with time new phones will be picked up..but what about now at this time..!

SmartBrother90 said:
to rant is to complain about something..im not complaining..im just questioning whats happening to devs that all..and yes im aware with time new phones will be picked up..but what about now at this time..!
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Rant was probably to strong a word but yes devs are just moving to other devices. The reason team douche can keep making g1 roms is they have a team working on it as opposed to one person. If u want semi-functional Frankenstein roms you could always check out what kingklick is doing.

meh
cyan is releasing a good product with lots of features. im just kinda disappointed there aren't more mods available (like music beautification and adw which have become standard in roms)

[Q]How do I become self sufficient? Building Android ROMs

Since Android has graced our amazing HD2s, I have grown a strong interest in learning more about and experincing Linux.
Recent releases of Android for HD2, while good and getting better, seem to have gone backwards in some areas. I have spent countless hours experimenting, reading, etc. So now, I seek the assistance of the community; specifically that of the Android Chef's - for lack of a better term.
I am asking for a little guidance in how I may become self sufficient and build my own Android ROMs for our HD2s. I am hoping I can solve some of my own issues, and in turn provide my experiance and ROM - if it's up to snuff - back to the community here.
TL;DR
Would some kind soul point me to the location to Read, download applications, etc or provide some minor instruction on building my own Android ROM. I do not have an aversion to reading and learning on my own, I have just hit a road block as to the direction I should take.
Thank you in advance.
Hatefly.

You can use coffeeshop to make your own android build.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738770

buzz killington said:
You can use coffeeshop to make your own android build.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738770
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Unfortunately, Coffeeshop isn't working at the moment. I'm experimenting with something else. I basically am trying to create an android rom the normal way in hopes i'll pick something up from that.
Got my Ubuntu / Virtualbox running and just finished installation. Now to get the Java.jde and .bin working.
Whole thing makes my head spin. Trying to figure out how to get our Kernal involved in the whole thing. I'm pretty sure i got the module thing "kinda" figured out.

Nothing still?
Makes me think these builds magically appeared out of nowhere

I like Linux, but it really depends on what your gonna use it for. I don't have it on my comp as a daily driver but its good if you like to tinker with.
As far as android, is there a kitchen for it? I had a kitchen for my HC Vouge and it was nice..just point and click. I just got my HD2 today and I love it.
Id really like to dive into dev for the Hd2 as far as themes and such go, but general dev,ill leave that for the pros.lol
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smurfgod said:
I like Linux, but it really depends on what your gonna use it for. I don't have it on my comp as a daily driver but its good if you like to tinker with.
As far as android, is there a kitchen for it? I had a kitchen for my HC Vouge and it was nice..just point and click. I just got my HD2 today and I love it.
Id really like to dive into dev for the Hd2 as far as themes and such go, but general dev,ill leave that for the pros.lol
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I'm not really sure how to theme with the android builds on the HD2 quite yet.
And yes, there are a couple kitchens for Android. They say they are not compatable with our HD2, but that has not stopped me from tinkering around with them and trying to learn as much as possible.
Trying to figure out how to actually build my own bootable Android ROM, problem is there is little to know info on how the few people who offer their ROMs actually performed this feat. if there is, I sure as hell have not found it.
I've spent 7+ hours reading and searching today alone. Not counting the last couple weeks.
As it looks like no one is really willing to offer me any help - must be an exclusive club or something - I'm prying I stumble upon a way to make it work.
/sigh... back to Ubuntu I go...

Hi friend, I do just want build my own rom for my hd2.
Unlike u, I even dont know how to start.
If u got any idea of cooking your own Rom, would you assist me at the time.
Dont take this Silly.
Today a new HTC ACE dump file has been released.

shree.cse said:
Hi friend, I do just want build my own rom for my hd2.
Unlike u, I even dont know how to start.
If u got any idea of cooking your own Rom, would you assist me at the time.
Dont take this Silly.
Today a new HTC ACE dump file has been released.
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Sup Shree,
Once I figure it out, or someone gives me a little help with it, i'll let you know. So far I have created two custom ROMs, but they only work for native android devices as far as I know.
I'm confused with the whole file structure and how to integrate our custom kernels and modules into the ROM so we can actually use our hardware.
Oh, and I got coffeeshop to work. Had a problem where ./start.sh wouldn't run from terminal. I got it to run another way though. Now, I'm left with a System.ex2 file I'm not sure what to do with yet, lol.

Some links that may help you get started:
http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=HaRET/Documentation
http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rootfs/Userfriendly
http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=QuickDeveloperStartGuide
NOTE: Not that I've gone to the trouble of building my own ROM... yet.