i was looking to bought a cheaper phone, i see the LeEco Le Pro 3 but has a lot of problems like the rom support,no 3.5 mm, the screen in corner areas don't respond, in some units the phone come with factory problems,the charger burn the type c connection but if you have luck can get a good unit and install good rom and have the best phone ever for 200$, i will buy the amazon usa version
my question is this a good phone or see another phone for 200$,and i also can buy chinese stuff
i use social media, somes heavy games, but i want a phone to last me a lot because i cant buy a expensive phone,thanks everyone
sorry for my bad english
Well it's a real gamble when you buy from Chinese wholesalers like most people on XDA. You don't know where they're getting their phones from, and if they're buying defective batches cheap, and selling them cheap. Those buying from LeEco US, China, and India (regions where LeEco has an official presence) seem to have a lower rate of encountering defects, but not by much. Phones sold through stores and official online retailers in these regions have official ROMs, not crappy vendor ROMs from wholesalers like Geekbuying and Banggood. You'll be much safer if you're buying from Amazon and the seller is Amazon.
Also, those issues have to do with ROMs, not necessarily the phones themselves. Don't flash a ROM or mess with the phone in any way unless you're willing to risk it. My mom's been using her Le2 heavily for a year now and she has yet to encounter hardware issues. The only thing she encounters is lag because of how bad eUI is.
Make sure you're getting the x720 if it's the Pro 3, because that's the one with custom ROM support. The x722 doesn't have anything. If you're afraid of hardware failure (I am too) you should probably just buy an old/used SD820 flagship for $200 USD from a reliable auction website. But even brand new SD820 phones can be had for around $200 these days, like the LG G5. If you don't mind crossing over, the iPhone SE is really cheap these days.
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Well it's a real gamble when you buy from Chinese wholesalers like most people on XDA. You don't know where they're getting their phones from, and if they're buying defective batches cheap, and selling them cheap. Those buying from LeEco US, China, and India (regions where LeEco has an official presence) seem to have a lower rate of encountering defects, but not by much. Phones sold through stores and official online retailers in these regions have official ROMs, not crappy vendor ROMs from wholesalers like Geekbuying and Banggood. You'll be much safer if you're buying from Amazon and the seller is Amazon.
Also, those issues have to do with ROMs, not necessarily the phones themselves. Don't flash a ROM or mess with the phone in any way unless you're willing to risk it. My mom's been using her Le2 heavily for a year now and she has yet to encounter hardware issues. The only thing she encounters is lag because of how bad eUI is.
Make sure you're getting the x720 if it's the Pro 3, because that's the one with custom ROM support. The x722 doesn't have anything. If you're afraid of hardware failure (I am too) you should probably just buy an old/used SD820 flagship for $200 USD from a reliable auction website. But even brand new SD820 phones can be had for around $200 these days, like the LG G5. If you don't mind crossing over, the iPhone SE is really cheap these days.
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Thanks you to take the time to answer my question,yes i'm really scare if i get a unit with issues because i don't have a lot of money to spend and maybe my mother will get angry with me, i thought to bought a used phone but which phone you recommend ? i use social media,some heavy games and i will love if have a big battery thanks again i really appreciate that
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Thanks you to take the time to answer my question,yes i'm really scare if i get a unit with issues because i don't have a lot of money to spend and maybe my mother will get angry with me, i thought to bought a used phone but which phone you recommend ? i use social media,some heavy games and i will love if have a big battery thanks again i really appreciate that
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.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N9541P6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?smid=A249FRVY0JGHJA&psc=1
this is the amazon usa version that i see, which version is it and has developed rom
Like I said, get a used flagship from Samsung/Apple/Motorola etc. Since you're in the states getting a cheap good phone is really easy. If I were in your shoes with a fist full of USD I'd probably sit on it till Black Friday and hunt for deals on slickdeals. Wait till December for phones to go on sale and you'll end up with something more reliable than an LeEco phone. But if you're desperate for a phone I guess you could get this one. You'll be getting a US warranty too, which is better than Banggood and the rest. But LeEco is a pretty much dead company now so don't expect much RMA support.
For the rest of us, we're not so lucky. We pay huge taxes on everything plus our currency isn't worth as much. ? So we are driven to buy cheap phones like the LeEco ones to avoid tax and because nothing else is available cheaply.
Honestly 4 years is a long time for a phone especially for one that's been released for a year. Realistically this phone is a good phone for someone who wants to pay a
little for a lot of hardware. But for a good experience you've got to be willing to work on the phone and change the software. Also without a removable battery the life of the phone is limited. My suggestion. - Buy used LG G5 on swappa. Can't beat $150 for a flagship with removable battery and Sdcard support - and a headphone jack.
3-4 years is too long time for a smart phone I think. Spent 2-300 dollars and use it for 1-2 years maybe you can look at Xiaomi phone they are reasonably priced and work well much better than LeEco.
3 to 4 years is too long for a smartphone??? Can you imagine if we said the same thing about computers? Android users must have unlimited money to spend on new phones because many Apple users I know keep their phones for at least 5 years. They're not as picky as I am, as I'm always in need of something capable of gaming well. The new iPhones solve that dilemma but they're waaay over budget and lack a headphone jack. But they're also more than capable of netting you 5+ years of use unless you heavily abuse your phones.
Ok Apple fanboi. We're talking android here. The sad fact is 4 years is a very long time for an android phone especially one with no support. Do I like my LE Pro 3? Yes? Why? Because I like playing around with ROMS. Short of a google branded phone this ones has been good for that. But for a person looking for a phone that just works? Sure buy an Apple at $700. Keep it for 4 years. For me I'll buy a $200 android phone ... beat it like a rented mule.. sell it for $125 and use the money to buy my next mule.
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Ok Apple fanboi. We're talking android here. The sad fact is 4 years is a very long time for an android phone especially one with no support. Do I like my LE Pro 3? Yes? Why? Because I like playing around with ROMS. Short of a google branded phone this ones has been good for that. But for a person looking for a phone that just works? Sure buy an Apple at $700. Keep it for 4 years. For me I'll buy a $200 android phone ... beat it like a rented mule.. sell it for $125 and use the money to buy my next mule.
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If I was an Apple fanboy I wouldn't be on XDA right now. You know that you can admit that Apple phones are good in terms of longevity while also being an Android fan, right? Or is your world so black and white that it's only one or the other for you?
And 4 years is not a long time and we shouldn't be settling on this. Not unless you enjoy wasting your money, like I said. Android users deserve stable phones and 4 years of updates or more. Even the top-of-the-line Google Pixel only gets 2 years of updates and that's really sad. Also, that $700 Apple phone retains quite a bit of its value down the road. You'll be able to resell the iPhone 6S for $500 in a year's time. The $700 Android phone? Nope. I see a lot of S7s selling for $200 on Swappa.
So pretty much don't buy a high-end Android phone at exuberant prices if you want to recoup most of your costs later. In that case, the LeEco is a good buy, but the state of its reliability is always up in the air.
My wife has exclusively used Iphones for years. As far as support Apple admittedly does a better job of providing software updates for the phone. However my wife's battery twice has given out on her Iphones and I ended up replacing with an after market battery. Far before the updates stopped.
I am in agreement that it's sad that Android phones don't get much beyond 2 years of support and many not even that much. The hardware often is just fine it's the software that lags behind.
So I guess I'm in agreement with you.
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If I was an Apple fanboy I wouldn't be on XDA right now. You know that you can admit that Apple phones are good in terms of longevity while also being an Android fan, right? Or is your world so black and white that it's only one or the other for you?
And 4 years is not a long time and we shouldn't be settling on this. Not unless you enjoy wasting your money, like I said. Android users deserve stable phones and 4 years of updates or more. Even the top-of-the-line Google Pixel only gets 2 years of updates and that's really sad. Also, that $700 Apple phone retains quite a bit of its value down the road. You'll be able to resell the iPhone 6S for $500 in a year's time. The $700 Android phone? Nope. I see a lot of S7s selling for $200 on Swappa.
So pretty much don't buy a high-end Android phone at exuberant prices if you want to recoup most of your costs later. In that case, the LeEco is a good buy, but the state of its reliability is always up in the air.
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My wife has exclusively used Iphones for years. As far as support Apple admittedly does a better job of providing software updates for the phone. However my wife's battery twice has given out on her Iphones and I ended up replacing with an after market battery. Far before the updates stopped.
I am in agreement that it's sad that Android phones don't get much beyond 2 years of support and many not even that much. The hardware often is just fine it's the software that lags behind.
So I guess I'm in agreement with you.
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I have a friend at work that's still using his HTC M7 (from 2013 $590) the battery is not good but the phone still functions
I would never consider keeping any phone over 2 years because the resale value drops like a rock after just 16 to 18 months
I paid $279 for my LeEco pro 3 just 6 months ago and it's been a really reliable device with the the Turbo rom on it. But I don't see me keeping it another 6 months ... I have already been considering a LG V20 ($299) or a Umidigi S2 with the 6" screen and 5100mh battery for $179.
Their a allot of nice phones in the $200 to 350 range and if you invest in a decent one and resale it every 6 to 8 months you don't face much of a loss. If I sold the Le Pro 3 today for $175 I would only have paid $16 a month to use it. I feel that's a fair price for using a nice phone.
If you consider a phone is only worth $4 a month to you ($200 / 48 months) I guess the lepro3 would be OK
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found this What do you think" here is the link.... http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/08/htc-hd2-breaks-free-in-the-t-mobile-usa-wilds/ and here...http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/htc-hd2-and-moto-cliq-xt-pricing-revealed-in-t-mobile-database/
Ok, so
I've been a WM user back since CE 2.0 and currently am carrying a T-Mobile Dash and a Toshiba E805, so I'm ready to upgrade the two of them into a HD2, but am curious about the potential for this thing. I don't want to be locked in to a EOL (End of Life) item from the start, and am willing to wait a few months for WM7, but in reality with all the purchased software I own I doubt I'd be happy losing it all and starting fresh with WM7. I'd tend to go with a different platform, maybe a N1 or an (gasp) Iphone but my problem is I'm a hopeless tinkerer and techie so I will definately NOT be happy on a closed platform.
Although I'm not a fan of M$ the CE/WM platform is amazingly open and compliant to my wishes, although the 32 process limit has been a nightmare, I've been pretty happy with it. The E805 with 640x480 looks and performs great, I have a larger battery so I can run it pretty much all day.
Oh, I'm currently using T-Zones and really don't want to pay $30 for Internet on whatever I get.
So my question to you folks who either have a HD2 already or know more about this than I is should I get the HD2 at the end of the month and live with the platform for 3-5 more years, possibly with vendors limiting support, seeing lots of new stuff come out for the newer platforms that will be there, or should I wait for this market to flesh out and go for a new architecture?
Thanks,
Marc
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you're thinking about it when it's sold at THOSE prices?
I am deeply offended, admitting the news are real.
I cannot tolerate that on 21st january I had to spend 440€ on this phone, one-month used by another person (plus everything else I had to buy on it, totalling 500€ roughly), while it's being sold NEW in the US, unbranded, with 1GB ROM, officially supported 576MB RAM, an included 16GB microsd, for what is the equivalent of less than 330€.
It's like stepping on users' money.
I am not among those complaining about "newer hd2 with more rom", but I am sure as heck furious about it being sold, new and with better bundle, for roughly 25% less than what I payed my used phone less than couple months ago.
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you're thinking about it when it's sold at THOSE prices?
I am deeply offended, admitting the news are real.
I cannot tolerate that on 21st january I had to spend 440€ on this phone, one-month used by another person (plus everything else I had to buy on it, totalling 500€ roughly), while it's being sold NEW in the US, unbranded, with 1GB ROM, officially supported 576MB RAM, an included 16GB microsd, for what is the equivalent of less than 330€.
It's like stepping on users' money.
I am not among those complaining about "newer hd2 with more rom", but I am sure as heck furious about it being sold, new and with better bundle, for roughly 25% less than what I payed my used phone less than couple months ago.
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well, that is just the nature of the beast. you don't even want to know what i paid for an xperia x1 when it first came out and what it sold for 3 months later. or my iphone and what it sold for 3 months later
nothing you can do about it. either buy it right away at the higher price or wait it out. what you are paying for is the early usage of the device, sucks but that is just how it goes.
I guess my main problem with this is with the announcement of WM7 support for this beast will wane. I can get a N1 or an Iphone which AREN'T new platforms, will have lots of support, and likely get updates for a long time. The HD2 (which I've been waiting for almost a year for) has great hardware, probobly a bit better than either of those other two, but is it worth it to lock my self in to obsolescence?
In the Atlanta area, where I live, I can't find a single B&M store that has the G Pad on display. At one of the local Best Buy stores, they had a couple of units in stock, but the batteries weren't charged and they were not on display.
There are only 2 authorized dealers in the US, Best Buy and Newegg. Neither of the two is actively pushing the G Pad.
I have to guess that LG has spent a lot of money developing this product . People are not going to buy a product like this if they can't see it in stores and try it out. Black Friday is little more than a week away and we are moving into the major season for electronics sales. I can't understand why LG is making such a feeble marketing attempt. They seem to be setting themselves up for a massive failure.
I think this product is very good and could be a big winner with good marketing, but the window is closing for LG. They need to get this into B&M stores, get more online vendors, and lower the price.
The only possible explanation that I can think of for the current state of affairs is that LG really is about to produce a Nexus 8 version of the G Pad. In that scenario, they may have made a deal with Google to divert production in that direction. They may also have decided that they can sell more of the devices under the Nexus name and benefit by letting Google pay for the advertising and marketing. This would be a smart move.
Time will tell!
I'm having the same problem here in Charlotte. Out of about 20 stores in the area, only two show as having them in stock and that's only the white model. I visited two different Best Buys last weekend and neither of the associates there had even heard of it.
Just left a BB store. The store employee had never heard of the G Pad. He looked it up and was surprised to find that they had 2 in stock. Of course they were not on display. If the BB employees have never heard of it, how many people in the general public are going to find out about it? This is a massive marketing failure.
this is part of the reason i returned mine. If a company doesn't care enough to market a device, then they sure as hell aren't going to support it. It's sounding more and more like that blue line problem on the screen is a hardware design issue on every unit and with so little attention being given to this device by LG, I'd be shocked if they did anything to resolve the issue in future units (if they even plan on producing more beyond their initial batches).
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In the Atlanta area, where I live, I can't find a single B&M store that has the G Pad on display. At one of the local Best Buy stores, they had a couple of units in stock, but the batteries weren't charged and they were not on display.
There are only 2 authorized dealers in the US, Best Buy and Newegg. Neither of the two is actively pushing the G Pad.
I have to guess that LG has spent a lot of money developing this product . People are not going to buy a product like this if they can't see it in stores and try it out. Black Friday is little more than a week away and we are moving into the major season for electronics sales. I can't understand why LG is making such a feeble marketing attempt. They seem to be setting themselves up for a massive failure.
I think this product is very good and could be a big winner with good marketing, but the window is closing for LG. They need to get this into B&M stores, get more online vendors, and lower the price.
The only possible explanation that I can think of for the current state of affairs is that LG really is about to produce a Nexus 8 version of the G Pad. In that scenario, they may have made a deal with Google to divert production in that direction. They may also have decided that they can sell more of the devices under the Nexus name and benefit by letting Google pay for the advertising and marketing. This would be a smart move.
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I am in the Atlanta area too and could not find it in the stores. I went to Kennesaw and Alpharetta stores with no luck, let me know if you find one! I'm dying to get my hands on one
I agree they have 5 samsung devices on display (some are repeats of the same device) but no LG? The LG looks SO much better IMO
There is no way we can get it in Canada either. No stores have it in stock online or in store, or have made any mention of ever getting it. Pretty disappointing because I was strongly considering getting it, but wanted to play with it for a few minutes to be sure of my decision.
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this is part of the reason i returned mine. If a company doesn't care enough to market a device, then they sure as hell aren't going to support it. It's sounding more and more like that blue line problem on the screen is a hardware design issue on every unit and with so little attention being given to this device by LG, I'd be shocked if they did anything to resolve the issue in future units (if they even plan on producing more beyond their initial batches).
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The blue line issue doesn't really sound like a big deal to me. My concern is how few of these devices are being sold, at least in the US. I would guess that very few people in the US own one of these, possibly just a few hundred. Based on the inept marketing, the G Pad is shaping up to be an orphaned product.
Right now, I'm deeply disappointed and a little pissed off. I've been watching the developments around the G Pad for a month with plans to buy one.
My strategy now is to wait until either:
A: the G Pad morphs into the Nexus 8 (that would be great)
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B: They unload however many they have manufactured and start dumping them after the holidays at closeout prices (say $150)
I don't see where else this is going to go.
"LG Restructures Smartphone Division"
I just saw this article about LG "restructuring" it's mobile division to focus more on TVs. This report says that they have dumped 10% of their workforce in the smartphone division. Sounds like LG has decided that phones and tablets are not where they are going to be putting their efforts.
http://www.unwiredview.com/2013/11/20/g-pad-8-3-to-be-released-in-new-markets-before-the-end-of-2013-lg-plans-to-boost-tv-efforts-by-restructuring-its-smartphone-division/
This might be a clue to why they are doing so little with the G Pad.
Finally find a good Android tablet and the OEM jumps ship.
Great.
Maybe I should just buy a freakin' iPad.
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Finally find a good Android tablet and the OEM jumps ship.
Great.
Maybe I should just buy a freakin' iPad.
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That's how I feel. But I'm not stooping to an iPad. Maybe I'll get an N7 and wait for somebody else to make a good 8 inch tablet.
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That's how I feel. But I'm not stooping to an iPad. Maybe I'll get an N7 and wait for somebody else to make a good 8 inch tablet.
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I can't even return mine at this point, and selling it probably wouldn't net much interest. I really like the 8" form factor, though, so the N7 is out of the question.
Looks like no money will be spent for marketing. Although they are making tons off the nexus 4 and 5 and Do not have to spend a dime on marketing since Google will. Seems like the gpad is just extra pocket change for them. And I still want a G2 since they won't be putting much effort into future devices lol.
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Looks like no money will be spent for marketing. Although they are making tons off the nexus 4 and 5 and Do not have to spend a dime on marketing since Google will. Seems like the gpad is just extra pocket change for them. And I still want a G2 since they won't be putting much effort into future devices lol.
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But I've seem plenty of LG G2 commercials on TV. A whole heck of a lot more for it than the HTC One. Btw, you may already know this but Best Buy has a deal where you can save $200 if you buy both the G2 and G-Pad (if you haven't bought the G-Pad yet).
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But I've seem plenty of LG G2 commercials on TV. A whole heck of a lot more for it than the HTC One. Btw, you may already know this but Best Buy has a deal where you can save $200 if you buy both the G2 and G-Pad (if you haven't bought the G-Pad yet).
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I've seen the one about taking action shots only. And didn't know about that promo. But I'm still on contract until November 2014, and mine was paid for by work as I recommended it for some of my duties
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I've seen the one about taking action shots only. And didn't know about that promo. But I'm still on contract until November 2014, and mine was paid for by work as I recommended it for some of my duties
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Yeah that would be the one. I may have to try that at work
honestly even if LG focus will shift I am still interested in this tablet. That article sounded like they are just focusing on TV to get more money for their smartphones so maybe it will be a good thing.
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Looks like no money will be spent for marketing. Although they are making tons off the nexus 4 and 5 and Do not have to spend a dime on marketing since Google will. Seems like the gpad is just extra pocket change for them. And I still want a G2 since they won't be putting much effort into future devices lol.
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I don't think they're making any "extra pocket money" on the Gpad. I would think that they will not even be able to recoup their investment if they don't make some effort to sell more. I would bet that the number sold in the US, so far, must be in the hundreds. No way that can be profitable.
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I don't think they're making any "extra pocket money" on the Gpad. I would think that they will not even be able to recoup their investment if they don't make some effort to sell more. I would bet that the number sold in the US, so far, must be in the hundreds. No way that can be profitable.
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I don't think they're making any "extra pocket money" on the Gpad. I would think that they will not even be able to recoup their investment if they don't make some effort to sell more. I would bet that the number sold in the US, so far, must be in the hundreds. No way that can be profitable.
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They put G Pro internals, bigger battery and better screen and possibly make it in the same assembly line as the G pro and g2 and sell it for $329 to $349 in just the US. There is also Korea. Others sell their no name brand tablets for $100 and still profit.
I'm sure LG is making money off each sale as opposed to needing to sell a certain amount to recoup the cost to make it.
But hey, I don't have any evidence of this lol
I'm surprised so many people are having trouble finding it. Here in St. Louis the BB closest to me had at least 6. When I went to check it out first they had it on display, but when I went back to buy it a few days later it wasn't on display anymore. Also I can sort of understand only selling in BB if LG wasn't expecting to sell a ton as it would have the best chance for exposure, however that only works if it's on display.
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The lack of G Pad in Best Buy is all Best Buy. LG wants it on display side by side the G2 but Best Buy has been lacking in displaying the Tablet.
LG isn't leaving the Smartphone/Tablet market, rather they are going to focus on a streamlined product line, no flooding the market with 10 variations of high and low end devices like Samsung. You might instead see LG come out with 3-4 handsets for the entire year.
It’s said that Samsung may be planning to launch a phone upgrade program starting with s7.
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buyers will likely be the first to benefit from the program. What you guys think about this.
It could be a nice solution for those whom need the newest handset early, for development, testing, reviewing, etc.
For me, as a customer, I'll like to see how a handset works, in the market, as well as within the community of xda.
That's why I'm still on S4, since S5 and S6 wasn't that much of an "update".
So I will still by my phone a few months after launch...
Not few months bro . just one month remains . It is highly expected to be launched in march.
I do know that.
Back in the days I bought a Galaxy at launch, and never again will I buy a product, before I can see how the market and the xda embraces it.
Because what I got, was full of flaws and errors, and after 6 months, Cyanogenmod was the first ones out with a ROM that could be close to saving the phone from the trash bin.
So it's paying 30 bucks a month to rent the phone ? would never do that I plan to keep the note 4 for as long as I want to, yearly upgrades to me aren't worth it and I will never buy a phone on release day because chances are no root and custom ROM available. I don't know exactly how the Apple program works but if it's something similar us more like renting than owning the phone
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I do know that.
Back in the days I bought a Galaxy at launch, and never again will I buy a product, before I can see how the market and the xda embraces it.
Because what I got, was full of flaws and errors, and after 6 months, Cyanogenmod was the first ones out with a ROM that could be close to saving the phone from the trash bin.
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Good luck, Samsung and most other OEMs have phones that are nearly impossible to get root on, let alone unlock the bootloader for custom ROMs. If you want any dev support, get a Nexus.
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So it's paying 30 bucks a month to rent the phone ? would never do that I plan to keep the note 4 for as long as I want to, yearly upgrades to me aren't worth it and I will never buy a phone on release day because chances are no root and custom ROM available. I don't know exactly how the Apple program works but if it's something similar us more like renting than owning the phone
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It's not for people like you who keep your phones for years. It's for people who get new phones every year, who otherwise would sell the phone to pay for the new one, and this makes it a lot easier to do so.
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Good luck, Samsung and most other OEMs have phones that are nearly impossible to get root on, let alone unlock the bootloader for custom ROMs. If you want any dev support, get a Nexus.
It's not for people like you who keep your phones for years. It's for people who get new phones every year, who otherwise would sell the phone to pay for the new one, and this makes it a lot easier to do so.
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I know that but can people still root their phone, put custom roms on it? Because if not the phone really isn't their own one
I must say it's a decent option for those who would like a new phone every year..
What's the point of getting a new phone every year? Bragging rights? I update every 2 years (usually) because the advances in chipset manufacturing, battery, etc, can be seen and compared... Every year??? Good luck to those who love to trash their money in such way; no hate really!
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This might sound silly to some people as they would like to own their phone , but if Samsung has a plan where - since it is a 24 month agreement - you can keep paying for an extra year to own it , this may be a great way to bypass AT&T and VZN locked bootloader issues assuming they come straight from Samsung .
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This might sound silly to some people as they would like to own their phone , but if Samsung has a plan where - since it is a 24 month agreement - you can keep paying for an extra year to own it , this may be a great way to bypass AT&T and VZN locked bootloader issues assuming they come straight from Samsung .
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Samsung needs the Cell-operators to be the customer front, so the phones, I believe, will also be locked to them.
So I guess this will be like we know it, only extra "perk" customer gets, are a new phone in the end of the contract. Then I'm sure it will be some "smart moves" to bind you for 24 new months...
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What's the point of getting a new phone every year? Bragging rights? I update every 2 years (usually) because the advances in chipset manufacturing, battery, etc, can be seen and compared... Every year??? Good luck to those who love to trash their money in such way; no hate really!
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Do you ever buy things that aren't pure necessity? Some like to spend money on cars, computers, photography, traveling, extravagant restaurants, etc. Seeing as how this is a phone developer/fan site, I think it's easy to see why many don't have a problem buying and selling phones once or more per year to get new ones.
Just like how you may have no problem buying an economy car and driving it into the ground, auto enthusiasts on auto forums likely buy expensive cars quite often.
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What's the point of getting a new phone every year? Bragging rights? I update every 2 years (usually) because the advances in chipset manufacturing, battery, etc, can be seen and compared... Every year??? Good luck to those who love to trash their money in such way; no hate really!
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I buy multiple devices every year, why? Simple answer is because i can and i enjoy having them. People tend to spend money on their hobbies, well if they can afford it.
No luck needed
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In Germany you have to pay 759€ for the version with 32GB.
Sorry Google but I just did something I thought I'd never do: buy a Nexus from last year instead buying the very best Google has to offer.
For 245€ I got a 32 GB Nexus 5x. A good upgrade form my 16GB Nexus 4 which I loved so much.
Sure, I get it: let's just price the Pixel nearly the same as an iPhone 7 but for a company that's doing 'its very own phone' (hello HTC) for the first time this price is just nuts.
I am so angry atm but I really want to hear your opinion on pricing. Except daydream VR this phone has simply nothing that stands out from the competition and now please don't come with the 'best camera in any smartphone'. I have waited for a big nexus upgrade for years now and I can't believe that this is ruined by a price that's beyond good and evil. I kinda waited the whole time for 'one more thing'.....the pixel will support Andromeda via USB type C in the future or something similar but no.
BIG DISAPPOINTMENT.
Very happy that I got a Nexus 5x now so cheap!
I totally agree. I've been waiting for an upgrade to the Nexus 5 for years and Google have blown it with this crazy price. :crying:
I bet the pixel won't even run as well as the Nexus 5 in the good old days of kit kat and for double the price. WTF, Google. Apart from doze, it's all been down hill since kit kat.
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I totally agree. I've been waiting for an upgrade to the Nexus 5 for years and Google have blown it with this crazy price. :crying:
I bet the pixel won't even run as well as the Nexus 5 in the good old days of kit kat and for double the price. WTF, Google. Apart from doze, it's all been down hill since kit kat.
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You'll love the 5X if you are coming from the Nexus 5 (Specially because of the Fingerprint sensor). But I must confess the only cons is the RAM. Nexus 5 have much more free ram because it's android x86. The 5X consumes much more ram and, hence, it redraws more apps.
Also, the hi frequency of the cores in the N5 sometimes gives a good boost of performance, but that's more personal, and I still prefer 5X's SoC, because the 5's SoC used to thermal throttle and decrease performance often in summer.
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You'll love the 5X if you are coming from the Nexus 5 (Specially because of the Fingerprint sensor). But I must confess the only cons is the RAM. Nexus 5 have much more free ram because it's android x86. The 5X consumes much more ram and, hence, it redraws more apps.
Also, the hi frequency of the cores in the N5 sometimes gives a good boost of performance, but that's more personal, and I still prefer 5X's SoC, because the 5's SoC used to thermal throttle and decrease performance often in summer.
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I was burnt by the low ram on the Nexus 9 so I'm giving the 5x a miss. It will be the one plus 3 or a Nexus 6p if I see one at the right price. Thanks for the suggestion seb. :highfive:
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You'll love the 5X if you are coming from the Nexus 5 (Specially because of the Fingerprint sensor). But I must confess the only cons is the RAM. Nexus 5 have much more free ram because it's android x86. The 5X consumes much more ram and, hence, it redraws more apps.
Also, the hi frequency of the cores in the N5 sometimes gives a good boost of performance, but that's more personal, and I still prefer 5X's SoC, because the 5's SoC used to thermal throttle and decrease performance often in summer.
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N5 is not x86 its arm.
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N5 is not x86 its arm.
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You re right I tend to confuse x86 with 32-bit. I'd meant 32-bit
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Here in Germany it starts at 759,00 € or $851.37.
I think it would be cheaper to buy it in the US and pay the taxes.
Bummer that the pixel is so expensive. On the other hand though, Google allows you to finance the phone so I MAY do that. $649 up front is too much, but $27/month is fine.
I'm very interested in the new google assistant because I use google now a lot. Also, I use google photos as well so the free unlimited storage is very enticing.
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Bummer that the pixel is so expensive. On the other hand though, Google allows you to finance the phone so I MAY do that. $649 up front is too much, but $27/month is fine.
I'm very interested in the new google assistant because I use google now a lot. Also, I use google photos as well so the free unlimited storage is very enticing.
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It doesn't look like you can do the financing option in the UK yet.
For anyone in a location in which the financing option is available is it possible to upgrade after a year? One nice thing about the Apple upgrade program is that even though it is a 2 year agreement you can upgrade every year provided you return your old phone in good condition which shouldn't be too hard as it includes accidental damage cover.
Obviously if you only upgrade your phone once every 2 years either would be fine, but I'm a bit worried Google will actually work out twice as expensive as owning an Apple device if you upgrade each year...
$$$ no way Jose
Bought the wife a 5x on sale 6 weeks ago for $199 shipped (new)
I've had a nexus 5 since release in 2013.
Was chomping at the bit for the new Google phone.
Was hoping no more than $499, nope.
So bought a moto g4 plus yesterday for $249.
Only 2 gigs ram and 16 gig storage but has an sd card slot.
Much better looking display than the 5x. 3000 mah battery.
Unless you need a lot of ram for gaming or whatever the moto is a good choice.
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It doesn't look like you can do the financing option in the UK yet.
For anyone in a location in which the financing option is available is it possible to upgrade after a year? One nice thing about the Apple upgrade program is that even though it is a 2 year agreement you can upgrade every year provided you return your old phone in good condition which shouldn't be too hard as it includes accidental damage cover.
Obviously if you only upgrade your phone once every 2 years either would be fine, but I'm a bit worried Google will actually work out twice as expensive as owning an Apple device if you upgrade each year...
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My EXACT thoughts, as well. I recently made the switch away from Android for the first time to see what all the fuss was about with the iPhone 7. So far, I must admit that I am very pleased with the phone. Especially with how seamless it is with my Mac. But I was still anticipating the Pixel launch to see what Google had to offer. The phone itself looks great. But what you mentioned above is the big thing preventing me from returning the iPhone and getting the Pixel phone. With the iPhone, I'm locked in for two years but when the new one comes out next year I just take this one into the Apple store and walk out with the new one. It's a really great concept.
I'm afraid you are right about Google. I imagine if they were going to have an upgrade program, they would have announced it when discussing pricing to help justify the extremely high price point. Without that and with the resale value of these phones being about 50% 12 months after purchasing (based off what I've seen from the recent Nexus phones), the total cost to upgrade to the new Google phone every year just skyrocketed compared to what it used to be with the sub $450 nexus phones.
Because of this I'm having a very hard time trying to justify picking one up. Which is sad considering this will now be the first Nexus (i know... "Pixel") I haven't purchased after initial release.
EDIT: After wasting my afternoon reading tons of articles about the phone and watching the first few "hands on" videos, I decided to bite the bullet and purchase the 5" Pixel (Black, 128GB version). I have 3 more days to return my iPhone 7 for a full refund so it was either do it now or face the possibility of regret and be stuck with this $850 iPhone.
I still think the Pixel is overpriced but it does look to be an extremely solid phone. And I opted for the 128GB version to give myself a little future proofing. I'm planning on holding onto the Pixel for 2 years this time around, rather than making a quick phone jump again next year. This mindset helped me justify the price. Hopefully I can stick to that plan.
The pixel is so average, it has nothing my £300 OnePlus 3 doesn't have. Google's phone is overpriced and about as naff as their new bull**** chat app, Allo. Not impressed. Sub par. And those prices? Google has shot right up the ranks of overpriced **** to join Apple and Samsung. Ludicrous.
another thing I want to mention: Google spoke all the time about how Hardware and Software works together in this phone, especially with the Google assistant but hell, we all know that the assistant has nothing to do with hardware. It's just Android 7.1 and exclusivnes. Plus most of the talked about 'features' were just apps you can get in the playstore.
Another thing: if I buy an iPhone for the same price, I kind of know that I can sell it after like 11month for about 75% of the original price. NOT so with the pixel plus Apple provides the longest software updates. Just remember how freacking long the iPhone 4 was supported..!!
I am happy if my upcoming 5x would get fully featured Android 8. Even now when Android 7.1 seems ready they said that first betas can be expected by the end of the year..??!
I'd suggest the honor 8 if you want a one handed phone that's cheap and great quality
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Bought the wife a 5x on sale 6 weeks ago for $199 shipped (new)
I've had a nexus 5 since release in 2013.
Was chomping at the bit for the new Google phone.
Was hoping no more than $499, nope.
So bought a moto g4 plus yesterday for $249.
Only 2 gigs ram and 16 gig storage but has an sd card slot.
Much better looking display than the 5x. 3000 mah battery.
Unless you need a lot of ram for gaming or whatever the moto is a good choice.
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Me too, bought the Moto G4 Plus for 266 euro`s a week ago and its working perfect for me and has a front firing speaker. I`am never paying more then 400 euro`s tops for a phone again
Everyone moans about the price. No shet its expensive. Its got the latest and greatest hardware in
Same in computing, same in cars
I hate apple with a passion but they do make well put together phones. If this is anything like that of be happy to shell out
Hardly any android phones feel premium. Only one that comes close is the s7edge but that's just because of the screen (which is pretty pointless)
Jesus Christ
Even if you compared stuff like ram I guarantee the ram in the pixel is faster than anything else out all for about a month lol
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Everyone moans about the price. No shet its expensive. Its got the latest and greatest hardware in
Same in computing, same in cars
I hate apple with a passion but they do make well put together phones. If this is anything like that of be happy to shell out
Hardly any android phones feel premium. Only one that comes close is the s7edge but that's just because of the screen (which is pretty pointless)
Jesus Christ
Even if you compared stuff like ram I guarantee the ram in the pixel is faster than anything else out all for about a month lol
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Nexus was never about premium feel. It was nexus just like an iphone is iphone. It was for people who wanted more from their device, who liked to tinker it, play with it. In short having a nexus meant you own your device and at affordable price.
Now with newer, pricier and premium pixel, they may hit new customers who like premium devices, people who change phones faster than seasons change, but they lost their fan base, tinkerers, developers. Most of them are students, young part time workers.
I feel pixel is just an iphone made by google and i m hugely disappointed. It may offer a great experience for user but as an android enthusiast, I don't see it's worth of that much money.
I was really interested in replacing my Honor 6 within the next months, but honestly, with those prices, I think I'll either stick with it, or go buying the Honor 8....
Sorry Google, but this is just too overpriced to be a *good* phone.
Any recommendations for 5" pixel substitute? I need something unlocked but can't don't want to carry anything larger than 5.
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Sorry Google, but this is just too overpriced to be a *good* phone.
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This sentence doesn't make any sense. The price has nothing to do with whether or not it is a "good" phone.
Quite frankly, the more I think about it, the more comfortable I am with the increased pricing. Over the years the Nexus sections of XDA have become overly saturated with kids whose parents bought their ~$350 phones for them and then they flood the Nexus sub-forums expecting to be spoon-fed everything without trying to learn things themselves from the plethora of guides and helpful posts readily available to them. All while refusing to contribute anything worthwhile to the community. It's gotten so bad that spending time in the Nexus forums has me wondering why I even bother anymore. Many developers have expressed the same feelings.
I'm really hoping the increased pricing of the Pixel phones will help keep the kids away and allow the Pixel forums to remain clean and full of people who actually like to contribute. Similar to how it was back in the early Nexus days.
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/phone-by-google/FRyoLZZjXvo
Straight out of googles mouth. This is great news and makes me even more confident with my purchase.
yeah, but that's kinda like hyundai and their 10-year warranties. nobody would buy them otherwise. but i'll give the pixel 2 the ol' college try when the price comes down....
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yeah, but that's kinda like hyundai and their 10-year warranties. nobody would buy them otherwise. but i'll give the pixel 2 the ol' college try when the price comes down....
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I hear you but after spending almost a grand (canadian) on a phone, that 2 years warranty, atleast you can be comfortable to know that you're covered for 2 years
Thanks OP. This is awesome. After using this phone for a week, it is easily the best phone I've ever had. The extra warranty just makes it that much better.
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I hear you but after spending almost a grand (canadian) on a phone, that 2 years warranty, atleast you can be comfortable to know that you're covered for 2 years
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100% understood.
however, therein lies your problem - spending that much money (in any currency) on a piece of technology that will be obsolete in 2 years (or even be cut in half in a month).
but don't listen to me, I'd probably just blow that money at the casino or some girly club...
Is this international warranty?
I bought Pixel2 in UK. Can i avail warranty in India?
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Is this international warranty?
I bought Pixel2 in UK. Can i avail warranty in India?
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The Googles warranty page is pretty simple. Basically, you have warranty where you bought it.
If you bought it in the UK, then you have warranty in the UK.
If you live in India but bought in the UK or elsewhere, you have to get it to the where you bought it from for warranty services.
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100% understood.
however, therein lies your problem - spending that much money (in any currency) on a piece of technology that will be obsolete in 2 years (or even be cut in half in a month).
but don't listen to me, I'd probably just blow that money at the casino or some girly club...
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Unfortunately the expensive price point is only getting worst. People are commiting saying the pixel 2 xl is "affordable" flag ship because the note 8, iPhone 8 plus (256 GB) and of course the iPhone X are around $1k(give or take)
Doesn't seem that long ago $650 was considered a normal for flag ship and was not cheap or affordable by tech pundits.
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Unfortunately the expensive price point is only getting worst. People are commiting saying the pixel 2 xl is "affordable" flag ship because the note 8, iPhone 8 plus (256 GB) and of course the iPhone X are around $1k(give or take)
Doesn't seem that long ago $650 was considered a normal for flag ship and was not cheap or affordable by tech pundits.
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The Pixel 2 (5") is a flagship (I think) and it costs $650. Yes the 2 XL is more. There are good, reliable phones available for $250, $400, $650, $850, etc.
I don't quite understand your point of view and others that complain about the price. I am a big proponent of capitalism and I think you should vote with your wallet. If you think that a particular device does not warrant the cost it would take to procure, then you should not give that company your money. But what is everyone complaining about with the Pixel 2 XL, the Note8, and the iPhoneX pricing? You want something better, with more expensive components. You want it to run faster and smoother with more software features, and you want it to get updates, have a good warranty. What do you think you are paying for when you buy a flagship phone? The 2 XL, Note8, and iPhoneX all have features and aspects that make one better than the other. Each device will serve certain individuals better than others. That's why there is a market for them. You have a choice. Want a better screen, get a Note 8 or iPhoneX. Want updates? Get a Pixel 2 / 2 XL. Want a stylus? Get a Note8. Each are the best devices ever made from their respective company. You pay more for more of a product.
The Nexus 6 was $650 in 2014. It was a 6" screen and a flagship. That phone utterly sucks compared to the Pixel 2 / 2 XL. More phone, more money.
I think I'm going to go on forums and complain that Aston Martins and Ferraris aren't the same price they were in 1995. I mean yea, they are better/ faster / nicer than they were 22 years ago, but I want to pay 1995 prices for the new DB11 or the 488. Why is the the 2018 Honda Accord so much more than it was in 1995? $15,180 in 1995. $24,445 in 2018! WTF
It doesn't make sense. Every dollar is an opportunity cost.
Sorry if my rant came across pointed at you. It was not. I just get tired of seeing all the complaints about price.
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The Pixel 2 (5") is a flagship (I think) and it costs $650. Yes the 2 XL is more. There are good, reliable phones available for $250, $400, $650, $850, etc.
I don't quite understand your point of view and others that complain about the price. I am a big proponent of capitalism and I think you should vote with your wallet. If you think that a particular device does not warrant the cost it would take to procure, then you should not give that company your money. But what is everyone complaining about with the Pixel 2 XL, the Note8, and the iPhoneX pricing? You want something better, with more expensive components. You want it to run faster and smoother with more software features, and you want it to get updates, have a good warranty. What do you think you are paying for when you buy a flagship phone? The 2 XL, Note8, and iPhoneX all have features and aspects that make one better than the other. Each device will serve certain individuals better than others. That's why there is a market for them. You have a choice. Want a better screen, get a Note 8 or iPhoneX. Want updates? Get a Pixel 2 / 2 XL. Want a stylus? Get a Note8. Each are the best devices ever made from their respective company. You pay more for more of a product.
The Nexus 6 was $650 in 2014. It was a 6" screen and a flagship. That phone utterly sucks compared to the Pixel 2 / 2 XL. More phone, more money.
I think I'm going to go on forums and complain that Aston Martins and Ferraris aren't the same price they were in 1995. I mean yea, they are better/ faster / nicer than they were 22 years ago, but I want to pay 1995 prices for the new DB11 or the 488. Why is the the 2018 Honda Accord so much more than it was in 1995? $15,180 in 1995. $24,445 in 2018! WTF
It doesn't make sense. Every dollar is an opportunity cost.
Sorry if my rant came across pointed at you. It was not. I just get tired of seeing all the complaints about price.
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My post was in response to a comment about spending so much money on a device that will be obsolete in 2 years. Sure you can drop several thousands of dollars on a laptop but it will be supported for many years, and depending on the OEM can potentially be upgraded down the line.
Yes there are a ton of options from various different price points, and are all great devices that suit people's needs differently. The flagship prices are getting a little ridiculous but it's here to stay. There are a number of demands including demand, premium hardware, cost of materials, cost of gas etc. I don't like the rising cost of phones but I understand it. I do think the complaint of phone's (especially flagship phones) raising prices are valid with the disposable nature and planned obsolescence of phones. With the exception of Google and Apple OEM's push out new phones leaving older phones outdated for months if they ever get supported at all.
The Nexus 6 in 2014 was a beast of a phone, and even then people were complaining that the Nexus 6 was far too expensive (for a Nexus) I still have my Nexus 6 and it runs like a champ. It's hard to compare a modern phone to a phone 3 years old. IMO the Nexus 6 was a better phone for the time. This is subjective of course.
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My post was in response to a comment about spending so much money on a device that will be obsolete in 2 years. Sure you can drop several thousands of dollars on a laptop but it will be supported for many years, and depending on the OEM can potentially be upgraded down the line.
Yes there are a ton of options from various different price points, and are all great devices that suit people's needs differently. The flagship prices are getting a little ridiculous but it's here to stay. There are a number of demands including demand, premium hardware, cost of materials, cost of gas etc. I don't like the rising cost of phones but I understand it. I do think the complaint of phone's (especially flagship phones) raising prices are valid with the disposable nature and planned obsolescence of phones. With the exception of Google and Apple OEM's push out new phones leaving older phones outdated for months if they ever get supported at all.
The Nexus 6 in 2014 was a beast of a phone, and even then people were complaining that the Nexus 6 was far too expensive (for a Nexus) I still have my Nexus 6 and it runs like a champ. It's hard to compare a modern phone to a phone 3 years old. IMO the Nexus 6 was a better phone for the time. This is subjective of course.
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I agree with that. I had the Nexus 6 as well. I thought it was a great phone when I had it.
Sorry about the post. I have grown so weary of people complaining about the 2 XL screen issues and it's cost. "For $850, I should get a better screen, or expandable storage, or fake colors." Buy it or something else, or save your money. Drama.
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I agree with that. I had the Nexus 6 as well. I thought it was a great phone when I had it.
Sorry about the post. I have grown so weary of people complaining about the 2 XL screen issues and it's cost. "For $850, I should get a better screen, or expandable storage, or fake colors." Buy it or something else, or save your money. Drama.
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Fair enough, I still think the Pixel 2 xl complaints are valid but I will agree it's getting old hearing the same argument over and over again. I think the Pixel 2 is a better value not just because it's cheaper but an over all better value.
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Fair enough, I still think the Pixel 2 xl complaints are valid but I will agree it's getting old hearing the same argument over and over again. I think the Pixel 2 is a better value not just because it's cheaper but an over all better value.
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Agreed. After handling both, I genuinely liked the Pixel 2 better. So far mine has been flawless.
also to through in there, the costs of the phones have been relatively the same over time - the difference has been the way the wireless carriers price them. if you recall (not too long ago), these phones would cost $200-$300, but required a 2-year contract. but if you did NOT want a contract, you had to pay the retail price of $600-$700.
also, when a phone first comes out (as with any new gizmo), the initial price is always inflated.
but otherwise, I agree - if you don't like the product, find something else.
Generally speaking there are multiple sweet spots to buy a new phone.
Immediately at launch I get a Home Mini which I'll sell (-$50), and the T-Mobile promotion which will save me a lot even after the temporary cost of an extra line ($-250 net). So factor that in, my new Pixel 2 is costing me $350 (even less after I sell my old phone). I consider this an excellent deal.
There's a period of about 6-8 months though after launch that is the absolute worst time to buy a new device. None of the launch promos, none of the discounts.
After that, promos and sales start again.
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My post was in response to a comment about spending so much money on a device that will be obsolete in 2 years. Sure you can drop several thousands of dollars on a laptop but it will be supported for many years, and depending on the OEM can potentially be upgraded down the line.
Yes there are a ton of options from various different price points, and are all great devices that suit people's needs differently. The flagship prices are getting a little ridiculous but it's here to stay. There are a number of demands including demand, premium hardware, cost of materials, cost of gas etc. I don't like the rising cost of phones but I understand it. I do think the complaint of phone's (especially flagship phones) raising prices are valid with the disposable nature and planned obsolescence of phones. With the exception of Google and Apple OEM's push out new phones leaving older phones outdated for months if they ever get supported at all.
The Nexus 6 in 2014 was a beast of a phone, and even then people were complaining that the Nexus 6 was far too expensive (for a Nexus) I still have my Nexus 6 and it runs like a champ. It's hard to compare a modern phone to a phone 3 years old. IMO the Nexus 6 was a better phone for the time. This is subjective of course.
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That thinking is why I actually got the Pixel. It was the n only one that I could find that would Guarantee 3 years of updates. For once I am actually excited on not what may be coming down the pipe. And after that hopefully Project Treble would make more manufactures update sooner and faster.