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Great device but buyers remorse sort of...

After a full week with the Focus and an sd card no problems everything integrated and working to perfection. Speed is awesome and I love it, but I am having a little remorse. I have seen the specs on new phones coming out with the dual core tegras and front facing cameras am I wrong to doubt sigining a renewal with att for the focus? I am really on the edge because my TP2 was functioning fine and I was holding off for wp7 really but like I said I want my phone to have a fair amount of options front facing camera is probably coming soon, and I would like that for family and such, and really not missing the keyboard too much due to the awesome virtual keyboard (as good as the iphones). Anyone else feeling like this or have any suggestions or a roadmap of devices. I have until the 11 of december to return the device I have it armored up so it still looks new on return if the remorse grows. Thanks for your thoughts and ideas

I know how you feel, but, with this kind of mindset you would never buy any electronic equipment ever again because there is always something better just around the corner.
I love my focus - I am very impressed with the device, more so than I thought I would be.
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I know trust me
I work for a company that is a direct partner with intel so we get roadmap stuff like 3-6yrs down the road kind of hampers my building for myself until I am able to test. I guess that is what hurts me in PC world I get my hands on new stuff and get an idea, I miss my cellular job so much now. Just that like I said just a couple of options I would like (basically two cameras and maybe a keyboard), I was told by a rep that copy/paste should be released this week as well (don't know how true that is). Trust me I love my focus as well and so do my kids and netflix I think I have a resource I haven't used at Samsung and will see if anything new he knows of.

I have no buyer's remorse whatsoever with this phone. As you can see from my sig, I have owned many of the top phones (at their release) and I can say that I am the least wary of this purchase. As previously said, it's pretty futile to keep worrying about what's coming up next because even if you buy that, it will be outdated by the time you get it to your house. There's always something better coming.
As for a front facing camera, if it's a big selling point for you, then yeah, you may want to look into an iPhone 4 or the Nexus S when it drops(assuming you're stuck on AT&T and that the Nexus S comes to AT&T in some form). Personally, I feel like the Focus has surpassed many of my expectations and I can comfortably call it my phone/OS of choice now. I originally bought it on a whim on release just to see what WP7 was all about and I love the OS now, despite it's flaws which I expect to be fixed.

emjee87 said:
I have no buyer's remorse whatsoever with this phone. As you can see from my sig, I have owned many of the top phones (at their release) and I can say that I am the least wary of this purchase. As previously said, it's pretty futile to keep worrying about what's coming up next because even if you buy that, it will be outdated by the time you get it to your house. There's always something better coming.
As for a front facing camera, if it's a big selling point for you, then yeah, you may want to look into an iPhone 4 or the Nexus S when it drops(assuming you're stuck on AT&T and that the Nexus S comes to AT&T in some form). Personally, I feel like the Focus has surpassed many of my expectations and I can comfortably call it my phone/OS of choice now. I originally bought it on a whim on release just to see what WP7 was all about and I love the OS now, despite it's flaws which I expect to be fixed.
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With AT&T.. if you "want" to "cancel" service.. they will offer you options..an option..could be a new [email protected] new subscriber price...this is available every 8 months... this is a way to enjoy new hardware...which we all love...

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With AT&T.. if you "want" to "cancel" service.. they will offer you options..an option..could be a new [email protected] new subscriber price...this is available every 8 months... this is a way to enjoy new hardware...which we all love...
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I've never gotten such an offer, even when I attempted to break contract about a year in just to see what I could settle with them. 3 people on my family plan have iPhone 4s and love them, plus my company gives us a pretty decent discount on our monthly rates (although it's still sky high with 6 data plans). Every time I've been tempted to just pay out the rest of my contract and go to Verizon, who has fantastic service in my area, something nags me back from doing it like the ability to use SIMs in other countries since there seems to be more worldphone options on AT&T or a new phone comes out that I want to play with (iPhone4, and now the Focus...)
In short, damn you AT&T

a little bit of persuading and you can get ATT to give you what you want.
I got the focus for free. I was using the captivate before that and am now deciding which one I like better

V DidDy 210 said:
a little bit of persuading and you can get ATT to give you what you want.
I got the focus for free. I was using the captivate before that and am now deciding which one I like better
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Ditto! except for the deciding part, I already figured that one out quick. I still had to pay a $35 restocking fee when I returned the Captivate, though. Despite telling them the GPS was completely f'd and I need it functioning for how I use the phone, which was advertised as having...GPS...

Anyone else think the Inc is dying?

So, im just wondering, does anyone else think the Incredible is dying? I was at Verizon yesterday (black friday) and the reps didnt even show customers the incredible, nor did anyone look at it. And there were about a good 20 customers who walked in the store and looked at the Droid section while I was there. Verizon doesnt really market the Incredible either. The only place where the Inc is alive is in the forums.

Forums are showing down the past month or so.. I dunno, like any phone product, it has it's 6-9 months of fame.
It may still have a legacy like G1 or N1..

I do not think so....It is still a solid device and those who know about it will find it. I do not see it going out but I do see that there is a FLOOD of devices on the market that the consumers are just overwhelmed with what to buy and which device is right. For my mother, this would be too much to process...
Let me add this I knew all about the DINC before I ever with the VZW to play with one and the knowledge of the salesman trying to tell me about the device was awful. If I had based my first experience on buying the device from him I would have walked away from the DINC. The salesman have a big play in it to know the devices and then know how to determine what the buyers wants & then find the right devices to show....other than pushing the newer devices that are now on the floor....
My two cents

The biggest problem with the DINC is the battery life and originally availability due to AMOLED screens. I think the Droid X and Fasicinate took over for the DINC. I do like the phone but when you are up against SAMOLED and the battery life of Moto devices it is a tough sell.

After trying the droid 2 global for about a week it got returned for a dinc. Out of all the phones verizon offers this device is my favorite by far. It will have a long life albeit not a very hyped one.

Yeah, I mean I love it (the batter life and my battery door squeaking for no reason kind if ticks me off though ), but u almost want to get the original Droid (love cyanogen) for the build quality. I don't even care about the keyboard. But yeah, It sucks because the only HTC device anyone knows about is the evo. They really should really launch the Inc.
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parcou said:
I do not think so....It is still a solid device and those who know about it will find it. I do not see it going out but I do see that there is a FLOOD of devices on the market that the consumers are just overwhelmed with what to buy and which device is right. For my mother, this would be too much to process...
Let me add this I knew all about the DINC before I ever with the VZW to play with one and the knowledge of the salesman trying to tell me about the device was awful. If I had based my first experience on buying the device from him I would have walked away from the DINC. The salesman have a big play in it to know the devices and then know how to determine what the buyers wants & then find the right devices to show....other than pushing the newer devices that are now on the floor....
My two cents
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Yeah man..I was at the store the other day and was telling people to buy the Inc behind sales reps backs ha
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True, battery life kinda sucks, so get a bigger battery. But how many other phones are there out there with all of these ROM choices? Aren't the new phones coming out with locked bootloaders? When will the era of "s-off" Smartphones end? Personally, I think Verizon has seen enough, and they are going to put a stop to ROM hacking & flashing. Perhaps they have gotten smart about replacing bricked phones. If so, the Droid Incredible will be one of the last really decent hackable phones. Oh sure, you may be able to "root" your new phones, but just try to hack an ENCRYPTED bootloader sometime...so that you can flash your own ROM. I think the days of ROM flashing are coming to an end. That's why the Droid Incredible (with s-off) is never going to die.

Well that's what I mean, in xda and in the forums I think the incredible has a long time to go. But in the consumers mind, I feel like its a gonner. Which is a shame.
And if they keep locking boot loaders I might have to switch to webOS, if Palm is still alive by then.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but, wasn't there a law passed recently that allowed consumers who purchased a phone the right to root/unlock/jailbreak it without voiding the warranty? I thought I read this somewhere but I may be mistaken. Also, I think it's a crime that we can't do what we want to the phones WE PURCHASED! If I'm paying $200 for the phone plus well over $100/month to use MY phone I should be able to root it if I want. Also, I'm not even rooted yet so I'm not biased by any means. I just think if you buy something it's yours and you should be able to do whatever you want with it.

WormDoes said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but, wasn't there a law passed recently that allowed consumers who purchased a phone the right to root/unlock/jailbreak it without voiding the warranty? I thought I read this somewhere but I may be mistaken. Also, I think it's a crime that we can't do what we want to the phones WE PURCHASED! If I'm paying $200 for the phone plus well over $100/month to use MY phone I should be able to root it if I want. Also, I'm not even rooted yet so I'm not biased by any means. I just think if you buy something it's yours and you should be able to do whatever you want with it.
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The problem with tampering with it is obvious, people brick their phones. this of course causes verizon problems which is why they void the warranty. verizon shouldn't have to replace a phone for you because you messed with settings capable of rendering your phone useless. i'm rooted and all but that is just my opinion on it. you can do whatever you want but they aren't responsible for you messing up your own phone.

The law says that you have the rights to mess with your phone without being sued under the DMCA y the manufacturer for reverse engineering, decrypting, etc... the law does not guarantee you the ability or the access to do it, nor that the company has to fix what you broke during the process, just that it's no longer illegal for you to try.

The device has been out for 7 months. I honestly think that the fact that Verizon's still even advertising it is surprising. Normal "life" for a device like this is only a few months.

i think this too, if it wasnt for the AMOLED shortage, the inc could have surpassed any phone Verizon could offer. also, i agree with the fact that verizon doesnt advertise it as much as it should be, the phone has MUCH potential. i think its just verizon's fault :/

When I first got my Incredible a few months back, Verizon was ramping up their advertising campaign for the Droid X. At that time, I don't recall seeing any advertisements for the Inc (in any medium).
Now, all these months later, there are a few commercials for the Inc that I see playing fairly regularly on TV. I haven't paid enough attention to see if stores are also advertising it out front or not.
In any regard, it seems that Verizon is making a push for better public knowledge of this phone. Sure, it will eventually phase out like any other, but based on advertising, that doesn't seem to be the current trend.
I have two friends who recently (within the last two weeks) purchased Incs. One is a very educated consumer, the other barely can tell a phone from her shoes. Not sure what sold her on it, but it seems that they are still being 'pushed' to some degree.
My brother was in the Verizon store last week and commented that they were very short on Incredibles. The sales associate told him that they had recently been selling a lot of them.
Besides the TV ads, I realize that most of what I just said is completely anecdotal. Take it for what it's worth, but I think the Inc still has some time to go.
Of course, you could use all of my same points to make the opposite argument: that they are pushing them hard now so they can clear space for upcoming models (especially for the holiday season).
Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I still see commercials for Inc.
I saw a Best Buy Black Friday ad for the Inc.
My uncle came by the house a day or two ago showing off a brand new Inc he got that week.
Nearly every model has it's rise and fall, and I'm fine with that so long as there's a decent community for the DInc that we see advancements in roms and such. MIUI is what I use and it's picking up good theme developers now with the new theming system, so regardless if the phone is losing populatity, there's enough people to provide rich content for a while.

Would you get a fascinate today?

Hi, i'm looking at getting a new phone for my wife and been looking at the fascinate from telus as it's on sale for $99 with 3 yr contract.
I heard that telus in the coming weeks will be launching a few new phones though i have no idea what they are or if they'll be any smart phones.
so with that said, if you were to get a phone today, would you still get the fascinate or would you hold off for a couple of weeks?
btw, apparently it comes with froyo so i'm thinking that update fixed some of the issues with gps and such... least i think it would
thanks

No. But, I am on Verizon.
Telus may be a different story.

Nope. I'd choose an HTC or a Motorola over the sammy if I had to do it all over again.

Yes ... but only because of the price I paid. ($50 / no activation)
-Doug

If I could, I'd wait for the dual core phones to come out. If I had to buy now, I'd still get the fascinate. My son has the Incredible, my father-in-law has the X, overall I like the fascinate better than either of those.

Absolutely. I still think it's best in class.
But i agree that if you could wait, wait for a dual core. But for now, there isn't anything the fascinate can't do.

If I had to do it over again, or if I needed a phone right now, yes, I would choose the Fascinate, no doubt about it. It really is a great phone. Not without its quirks and annoyances, but what phone is? If I didn't need a new phone really bad, then given the new powerhouses coming out within the next couple months, I would probably take some time to consider the options. I've never liked Motorola's designs until now, but I must admit that the Bionic looks very tempting. Of course, the locked bootloader crap might give me pause (let's hope they fix that like they claimed they will).

Once rooted and de-bloated, it's still the leader ATM. This will change in a couple of months though.

dhoard said:
Yes ... but only because of the price I paid. ($50 / no activation)
-Doug
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I got 2 for free and I still don't want them. No one on Craigslist wants them either because I've been trying to trade them for the past month.

thanks for all the responses. my wife doesn't really need a power house of a phone. she would just like to get a GPS app and a web browser with text abilities. it was this or an iphone so i think i might go grab it for her as i'm so against iphone .
though... scriz, i'm curious why you seem to hate the phone so much, least that's my impression
take care

If you're on the telus. That's different. So that's up to you.

3 year contract? F that. I like the phone, but I'm still counting down til my upgrade. (April 14th, fwiw) I'm on VZW, so grain of salt and all that, but there is ALWAYS a better phone coming out soon and 3 years seems crazy long to me.
But, right now there isn't a better phone on VZW.

Phone yes, three year contract No! I paid $0 @ Amazon with two years on Verizon.
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Phone yes, three year contract No! I paid $0 @ Amazon with two years on Verizon.
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What he said. No way would I lock into it for 3 years. It is a good phone and all, in fact, I would do the same thing again because the others in this class have problems too. But I bought mine used off of fleabay so I am not locked in. This is a tool for me to learn Android on. I have a very strong feeling that I will be wanting something new in about a year.

I bought this device planning on selling it and upgrading after about six months. Now I plan OJ keeping it for a while. Great even right out. Of the box. If this was for my wife I wouldn't rootbor anything - just stock update to dl09 and let it roll. If I were buying today I would absolutely buy this device. All phones have issues - this one is no different. Bur overall a fantatstic device. I am guessing your wife does not need duel core or it would be her on the nerd forum with us and not you. If you can get a good deal then go for it.
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denti said:
Hi, i'm looking at getting a new phone for my wife and been looking at the fascinate from telus as it's on sale for $99 with 3 yr contract.
I heard that telus in the coming weeks will be launching a few new phones though i have no idea what they are or if they'll be any smart phones.
so with that said, if you were to get a phone today, would you still get the fascinate or would you hold off for a couple of weeks?
btw, apparently it comes with froyo so i'm thinking that update fixed some of the issues with gps and such... least i think it would
thanks
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I've got the Vibrant from Bell (the sister phone) and I love it, great bang for the buck. Sure having a dual core phone would be cool but at what price and unless she is a complete power user what would she need the dual core for?
What sucks for us in Canada is the high cost of our monthly plans and the fact that we have to lock into the plans for 3 years.

the 3yr contract is pretty terrible, but the fascinate's an awesome phone, easily the best android out there. especially since telus has froyo

orateam said:
Absolutely. I still think it's best in class.
But i agree that if you could wait, wait for a dual core. But for now, there isn't anything the fascinate can't do.
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It don't do video out.. :/
Rocking dj05 and jt's voodoo 5

Wow, you Canada guys don't get any option other than 3-year contract? As in, you can't pay more for the phone and get a shorter term, or even pay full price for month to month? I've been doing 1-year contracts with Verizon, not because I plan on leaving, but because I don't want to be locked into the same phone for so long without any upgrade discounts. That allowed me to upgrade off the Eris to the Fascinate after 10 months. The Fascinate was made available for sale conveniently a day before I was eligible for upgrade with discount. That day of waiting was torture.

I'm on Verizon and I'd still buy it again even without the Froyo update. Most of the bad press on this phone has been because of the lack of Froyo. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to have it, but I had it on my old phone and it's not that big of a deal. The responsiveness of the phone and the beautiful samoled screen win out in the end. Besides, if you're on Telus, you'll have Froyo anyway.

alternatives to beating a dead horse

I am opening this thread in hopes it will keep other threads cleaner. Motorola did not update to ICS. we know that.
One suggestion I have is JUMP ship. get a different device. You can get a pantech bust for about $100 on ebay with official ICS. I got a galaxy note for $150 myself. The atrix still goes for around $100.
I still have my atrix as a backup phone.
suggestion 2 keep going the rout of requesting cooperation from moto/punit etc. Yes you may feel it is falling on deaf ears and you may be correct.
My main suggestion and point of this thread is please stop posting about this in every atrix thread on XDA. THese threads are to help the atrix community and people must now search harder to find what they are looking for because they must wade through post after post of motohate then post after post of bickering at other members.
please keep our threads clean
if you have any suggestions of what can be done or good deals on alternative phones post them here
Moderators if you think this thread is unneeded or not being used please delete

About jumping ship. I do realize that my suggestion does not help those with all the docks and accessories as much. I do not know what the docks sell for. And I can't speak of the quality of the burst. I do know it requires a smaller sim card. I was just suggesting it as a means to swap for a device with similar specs that is on official ICS with no major cost in the end. I am pleased with the quality of my note but I realize that I got it almost $100 less than average used price

I cant buy another phone...I dont have the money and I have a contract with an operator...and the note in my country cost a lot much than my atrix...so any other sugestion???
from the (M)ATRIX...

I am in US and realize I got a great deal on note. And Also realize that even buying burst even though it has little cost in end has upfront cost of nearly 100 US. I am on straightalk att sim. I am still burnt by moto. I have a nonupgradeable device that is still under manufacture warranty so I don't want to get rid of it yet. hopefully more people will have suggestions as well

I sold my Atrix for a good price ($200) without the lapdock.
then again, I sold it to someone who asks me everyday about how to do stuff, so I consider the extra price as a bonus for all the things I've helped him with.
I got a Note and never looked back. Never again, Motorola. Never.
Still, I'm stuck with an Atrix because my boss has it and he always wants a different ROM. It's a good phone. Such a shame Motorola was backing it.

Well...in my country (argentina) a new atrix on a contract cost 1800 pesos argentinos and a Note on a contract cost 3500 pesos argentinos...so if I want to buy it w/o a contract the note cost 5000 pesos argentinos.
So Im f***...thats why I still pushing moto or punit to release the source code...
from the (M)ATRIX...

AT&T has their own trade in program and currently they value my device at $36. Obviously that's a bit on the low side, but the reality is that something is only worth what you can sell it for, whether that's $10 or $100, and ebay is loaded with them, especially after the ICS cancellation.
That said, I'm stuck in a contract with mine for the next few months with no way out and no money to jump ship. Once opportunity does present itself, I will have to see what's available at the time, but tbh, this was my first true smart phone, yet I'm still feeling stupid for getting it.

Get a phone used that is older than the 4g and has been upgraded to ICS.

My thoughts are you have always been able to upgrade your PC, laptop and other computers at will. Why are phones and tablets any different?
I think the answer is simple: greed. There have always and only ever been excuses that all point to controlling consumer options and taking away freedoms in order to accomplish a bottom line.
For that, I do not believe buying another device will matter. We always end up supporting someone's idea of controlling my content. Screw that. I bought the device, I should be allowed to install what I want. Not what ATT or Motorola or Apple or even Google wants but what I want.
OK, done ranting.
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I do not know how it is in the rest of the world but in the US craigslist is a good source for used phones. as with anything though there are also scammers out there. It was sad to see atrix price drop after ics cancelation. I think they went for almost 200 before to 150 after and now about 150. I got my wife a nexus 7 recently. I know it will stay updated but felt a bit bad purchasing from Motorola parent company Google.

My Atrix is just the latest in a long line of attempts to get a good deal for cheap that partially failed. Got my Atrix just before the announced cancellation of the update. Only good thing is I'm not stuck with a contract. I would have made another phone choice, if I'd jknow was being lied to my Moto.

For me its not so much about them failing on the upgrade. Its more about moto actively trying to keep us from getting ICS or any other rom on our own. Locking bootloaders on updates and ordering cease and desist on the leaked kernel. Its a big FU right in all of our faces. I just can't believe a company would actively do this to their customers, not even their regular customers... the enthusiast. makes no sense to me, before the atrix moto is the only phone company I would have. Now its the only one I refuse to buy.

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For me its not so much about them failing on the upgrade. Its more about moto actively trying to keep us from getting ICS or any other rom on our own. Locking bootloaders on updates and ordering cease and desist on the leaked kernel. Its a big FU right in all of our faces. I just can't believe a company would actively do this to their customers, not even their regular customers... the enthusiast. makes no sense to me, before the atrix moto is the only phone company I would have. Now its the only one I refuse to buy.
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On top of money and carrier contracts we may be stuck in, there's also the issue of carrier compatibility. For those of us with AT&T, I'm sure there are devices they don't offer that will work, and some may even have full capabilities, but when it comes to their current offerings, it's pretty slim pickings, regardless of what OS you want.

my brother asked me today if he could use a s3 from sprint on att. I said sadly no. would be nice since sprint phones always seem to go for less money. probably because they have a worse network. I told him to buy it anyway because they wanted 150 for it and I know it is worth more even if the esn is bad. I have been watching for a good used dual core that is updated for my wife. I am not in a hurry because I want a deal. she has atrix as well for now. been looking at lg nitro and s2 s3 onex. probably some others

I picked up a pantech burst for my wife yesterday for 65$. waiting for simcard cutter. dual core and ICS. plus I can still sell atrix for more than that

Haven't been on XDA for a while. What am I missing? There's plenty of stable Jellybean ROMs around.
Fingerprints a gimmick and you can get a camera app. How good do you want your phone camera to be anyway?
Not being inflammatory but get a ROM and enjoy it until your phone dies a natural death.
In fact mine died and I brought a new one for cheap, that's how happy I am with Th3bills Liquid Smooth.
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Blame Google they control moto now.I got a new phone few weeks back still have my atrix themed all out sweet sits home on WiFi still want to update the kernel in it learning a new phone now am support is dieing on the atrix..
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Haven't been on XDA for a while. What am I missing? There's plenty of stable Jellybean ROMs around.
Fingerprints a gimmick and you can get a camera app. How good do you want your phone camera to be anyway?
Not being inflammatory but get a ROM and enjoy it until your phone dies a natural death.
In fact mine died and I brought a new one for cheap, that's how happy I am with Th3bills Liquid Smooth.
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I've got a new phone. i717 note on cm10. a pantech burst on official ics. and will soon be playing with a HTC desire that will have fully functional jellybean. I like playing with these old phones then selling them for more than I paid. and my atrix got replaced under warranty and there is no way as of now to unlock the bootloader.
Even when/if a new kernal is built my atrix is locked. Mine will most likely be sold soon but I want to try the soak test first. Might keep it for a while though as it is under warranty

if there’s a time machine，i would choose Nexus S rather other than Atrix 4g. The crude reality slapped my face，how foolish i was.

Is LeEco Le Pro 3 a good phone for long usage like 3 or 4 years

i was looking to bought a cheaper phone, i see the LeEco Le Pro 3 but has a lot of problems like the rom support,no 3.5 mm, the screen in corner areas don't respond, in some units the phone come with factory problems,the charger burn the type c connection but if you have luck can get a good unit and install good rom and have the best phone ever for 200$, i will buy the amazon usa version
my question is this a good phone or see another phone for 200$,and i also can buy chinese stuff
i use social media, somes heavy games, but i want a phone to last me a lot because i cant buy a expensive phone,thanks everyone
sorry for my bad english

Well it's a real gamble when you buy from Chinese wholesalers like most people on XDA. You don't know where they're getting their phones from, and if they're buying defective batches cheap, and selling them cheap. Those buying from LeEco US, China, and India (regions where LeEco has an official presence) seem to have a lower rate of encountering defects, but not by much. Phones sold through stores and official online retailers in these regions have official ROMs, not crappy vendor ROMs from wholesalers like Geekbuying and Banggood. You'll be much safer if you're buying from Amazon and the seller is Amazon.
Also, those issues have to do with ROMs, not necessarily the phones themselves. Don't flash a ROM or mess with the phone in any way unless you're willing to risk it. My mom's been using her Le2 heavily for a year now and she has yet to encounter hardware issues. The only thing she encounters is lag because of how bad eUI is.
Make sure you're getting the x720 if it's the Pro 3, because that's the one with custom ROM support. The x722 doesn't have anything. If you're afraid of hardware failure (I am too) you should probably just buy an old/used SD820 flagship for $200 USD from a reliable auction website. But even brand new SD820 phones can be had for around $200 these days, like the LG G5. If you don't mind crossing over, the iPhone SE is really cheap these days.

sk8223 said:
Well it's a real gamble when you buy from Chinese wholesalers like most people on XDA. You don't know where they're getting their phones from, and if they're buying defective batches cheap, and selling them cheap. Those buying from LeEco US, China, and India (regions where LeEco has an official presence) seem to have a lower rate of encountering defects, but not by much. Phones sold through stores and official online retailers in these regions have official ROMs, not crappy vendor ROMs from wholesalers like Geekbuying and Banggood. You'll be much safer if you're buying from Amazon and the seller is Amazon.
Also, those issues have to do with ROMs, not necessarily the phones themselves. Don't flash a ROM or mess with the phone in any way unless you're willing to risk it. My mom's been using her Le2 heavily for a year now and she has yet to encounter hardware issues. The only thing she encounters is lag because of how bad eUI is.
Make sure you're getting the x720 if it's the Pro 3, because that's the one with custom ROM support. The x722 doesn't have anything. If you're afraid of hardware failure (I am too) you should probably just buy an old/used SD820 flagship for $200 USD from a reliable auction website. But even brand new SD820 phones can be had for around $200 these days, like the LG G5. If you don't mind crossing over, the iPhone SE is really cheap these days.
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Thanks you to take the time to answer my question,yes i'm really scare if i get a unit with issues because i don't have a lot of money to spend and maybe my mother will get angry with me, i thought to bought a used phone but which phone you recommend ? i use social media,some heavy games and i will love if have a big battery thanks again i really appreciate that

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Thanks you to take the time to answer my question,yes i'm really scare if i get a unit with issues because i don't have a lot of money to spend and maybe my mother will get angry with me, i thought to bought a used phone but which phone you recommend ? i use social media,some heavy games and i will love if have a big battery thanks again i really appreciate that
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this is the amazon usa version that i see, which version is it and has developed rom

Like I said, get a used flagship from Samsung/Apple/Motorola etc. Since you're in the states getting a cheap good phone is really easy. If I were in your shoes with a fist full of USD I'd probably sit on it till Black Friday and hunt for deals on slickdeals. Wait till December for phones to go on sale and you'll end up with something more reliable than an LeEco phone. But if you're desperate for a phone I guess you could get this one. You'll be getting a US warranty too, which is better than Banggood and the rest. But LeEco is a pretty much dead company now so don't expect much RMA support.
For the rest of us, we're not so lucky. We pay huge taxes on everything plus our currency isn't worth as much. ? So we are driven to buy cheap phones like the LeEco ones to avoid tax and because nothing else is available cheaply.

Honestly 4 years is a long time for a phone especially for one that's been released for a year. Realistically this phone is a good phone for someone who wants to pay a
little for a lot of hardware. But for a good experience you've got to be willing to work on the phone and change the software. Also without a removable battery the life of the phone is limited. My suggestion. - Buy used LG G5 on swappa. Can't beat $150 for a flagship with removable battery and Sdcard support - and a headphone jack.

3-4 years is too long time for a smart phone I think. Spent 2-300 dollars and use it for 1-2 years maybe you can look at Xiaomi phone they are reasonably priced and work well much better than LeEco.

3 to 4 years is too long for a smartphone??? Can you imagine if we said the same thing about computers? Android users must have unlimited money to spend on new phones because many Apple users I know keep their phones for at least 5 years. They're not as picky as I am, as I'm always in need of something capable of gaming well. The new iPhones solve that dilemma but they're waaay over budget and lack a headphone jack. But they're also more than capable of netting you 5+ years of use unless you heavily abuse your phones.

Ok Apple fanboi. We're talking android here. The sad fact is 4 years is a very long time for an android phone especially one with no support. Do I like my LE Pro 3? Yes? Why? Because I like playing around with ROMS. Short of a google branded phone this ones has been good for that. But for a person looking for a phone that just works? Sure buy an Apple at $700. Keep it for 4 years. For me I'll buy a $200 android phone ... beat it like a rented mule.. sell it for $125 and use the money to buy my next mule.

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Ok Apple fanboi. We're talking android here. The sad fact is 4 years is a very long time for an android phone especially one with no support. Do I like my LE Pro 3? Yes? Why? Because I like playing around with ROMS. Short of a google branded phone this ones has been good for that. But for a person looking for a phone that just works? Sure buy an Apple at $700. Keep it for 4 years. For me I'll buy a $200 android phone ... beat it like a rented mule.. sell it for $125 and use the money to buy my next mule.
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If I was an Apple fanboy I wouldn't be on XDA right now. You know that you can admit that Apple phones are good in terms of longevity while also being an Android fan, right? Or is your world so black and white that it's only one or the other for you?
And 4 years is not a long time and we shouldn't be settling on this. Not unless you enjoy wasting your money, like I said. Android users deserve stable phones and 4 years of updates or more. Even the top-of-the-line Google Pixel only gets 2 years of updates and that's really sad. Also, that $700 Apple phone retains quite a bit of its value down the road. You'll be able to resell the iPhone 6S for $500 in a year's time. The $700 Android phone? Nope. I see a lot of S7s selling for $200 on Swappa.
So pretty much don't buy a high-end Android phone at exuberant prices if you want to recoup most of your costs later. In that case, the LeEco is a good buy, but the state of its reliability is always up in the air.

My wife has exclusively used Iphones for years. As far as support Apple admittedly does a better job of providing software updates for the phone. However my wife's battery twice has given out on her Iphones and I ended up replacing with an after market battery. Far before the updates stopped.
I am in agreement that it's sad that Android phones don't get much beyond 2 years of support and many not even that much. The hardware often is just fine it's the software that lags behind.
So I guess I'm in agreement with you.

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If I was an Apple fanboy I wouldn't be on XDA right now. You know that you can admit that Apple phones are good in terms of longevity while also being an Android fan, right? Or is your world so black and white that it's only one or the other for you?
And 4 years is not a long time and we shouldn't be settling on this. Not unless you enjoy wasting your money, like I said. Android users deserve stable phones and 4 years of updates or more. Even the top-of-the-line Google Pixel only gets 2 years of updates and that's really sad. Also, that $700 Apple phone retains quite a bit of its value down the road. You'll be able to resell the iPhone 6S for $500 in a year's time. The $700 Android phone? Nope. I see a lot of S7s selling for $200 on Swappa.
So pretty much don't buy a high-end Android phone at exuberant prices if you want to recoup most of your costs later. In that case, the LeEco is a good buy, but the state of its reliability is always up in the air.
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My wife has exclusively used Iphones for years. As far as support Apple admittedly does a better job of providing software updates for the phone. However my wife's battery twice has given out on her Iphones and I ended up replacing with an after market battery. Far before the updates stopped.
I am in agreement that it's sad that Android phones don't get much beyond 2 years of support and many not even that much. The hardware often is just fine it's the software that lags behind.
So I guess I'm in agreement with you.
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I have a friend at work that's still using his HTC M7 (from 2013 $590) the battery is not good but the phone still functions
I would never consider keeping any phone over 2 years because the resale value drops like a rock after just 16 to 18 months
I paid $279 for my LeEco pro 3 just 6 months ago and it's been a really reliable device with the the Turbo rom on it. But I don't see me keeping it another 6 months ... I have already been considering a LG V20 ($299) or a Umidigi S2 with the 6" screen and 5100mh battery for $179.
Their a allot of nice phones in the $200 to 350 range and if you invest in a decent one and resale it every 6 to 8 months you don't face much of a loss. If I sold the Le Pro 3 today for $175 I would only have paid $16 a month to use it. I feel that's a fair price for using a nice phone.
If you consider a phone is only worth $4 a month to you ($200 / 48 months) I guess the lepro3 would be OK