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This community is so damn innovative and cooperative, it amazes me what software/ROMS get cooked here which really add a lot of productivity value to me, transforming a tedious, hard-to-read Windows Mobile User Interface into a tool that really works on the go. And I've been equally impressed by the collaborative spirit of this community in problem solving and feature tweeks.
Thus I am curious if there is an organized policy here that helps us end-users deter the scammers who grab software from XDA-developers, bundle it, and sell it across the web. I'm speaking of a prominent spot on the home page and within the information design of these forums that, just like the "Missing Kids" alerts on milk cartons, highlights prominently the latest scammers stealing work here.
I understand this forum is for actual development, but truth is this issue gets lost in "General" forums. Because it's the people who hack here who are the people being hurt directly.
Though I signed onto XDA over a year ago, and have read volumes re my T-mobile MDA and software upgrades here, I ended up being nonetheless too nervous to follow the very clear instructions posted last year with all if the various WM 6 roms developed here. And I never did upgrade.
But I have a WING now, and I wanted an iphone theme and user interface. Again I read all the sticky threads for the Herald, as well as the links from the wiki for that specific phone. After several days of trying to figure out "should I be first flashing my T-mobile ROM to a more efficient one, before then seeking to install one of the iphone themes and apps like A_C's S2U2 etc. I then did a dumb consumer thing: when searching this site using Google, I followed the links to one or two of the GOOGLE AD-WORDS hawking an iPhone theme on your PocketPC.
Long story short, I got scammed of $10 for something that was outdated and didn't even install properly on my WING... But I'd been "comforted" by the presentation on their website, http://iphonethemeforpocketpc.com , thinking I would get my head cleared of the confusion that mounts when I'd dig down deep into the many discussions of so many ROMs & themes & apps here. I got burned, that was bad enough. But it then pissed me off doubly that superior software would be found here at XDA -- and more than likely some of that guy's component cab files were simply stolen from developers right here.
I ended up back here and successfully installed the ifonz theme, A_C's S2U2 (the scam site had an old slide2unlock version... bit as everyone here knows, A_C's app is superb. I also installed Contact Manager (amazing!), PCM keyboard (what an improvement over windows), and MortPlayer (fantastic). I intend to donate to each program author.
But the purpose of this post is this: I filed a dispute with PayPal (requires login) over this scammer's non-working product and absolute refusal to even reply to my early "friendly" emails seeking install help. Went through PayPal's Resolution Center "escalation process" -- after no reply from the seller to PayPal -- and my dispute became a CLAIM for Paypal to determine outcome. PayPal's reply, denying the claim, states that they reviewed all communications and investigated the issue fully (totally not true).
I could have stopped there -- afterall i'd long ago expended way more than $10 worth of my time -- but it was for the principle of it. So I called PayPal, went through all the menu-options, screenings, and hold queues, and finally spoke to an actual Resolution Agent -- who was very nice, & actually very helpful.
However: I learned then, from her, what many of you may already know -- but I wonder DOES everyone know?, because I sure didn't... She told me that anything digital or downloadable is not even covered with any Buyer Protection as disclosed in PayPal's terms of service. So the claim got closed automatically because it didn't qualify for any dispute resolution. I was really surprised by this, that no downloadable software is subject to dispute/resolution policies -- and that's why I am writing this thread, as a service (I *hope*) to all you developers.
I first did a search here on the boards for "scams", because I wanted to find a place on this site to DISPLAY CLEARLY---> Here is a scamsite --> make sure your stuff is not being sold there. That's when I saw this sampling of threads, below, and had to wonder, is there a policy here that is clear and easy to find (NO! not that I can see!) that helps developers here by giving us end-users a place to post the hit-list of scammers on ebay, on iphonetheme websites, etc. ?
If so, I missed it in the information design here. If not, I recommend it. I know it burns you guys who are being ripped off -- but it also ticks off less-sophisticated community members like me (end-users of your hard work) to see your works exploited -- given especially their innovation and performance tweeks.
Here are just a few of the threads I found from this year, from March 08, where people reported being ripped off by people selling their works. In my view, I don't think that's enough or sufficient to just have someone start a thread saying "beware of X, Y or Z". And that's why I posted this. Thanks to all of you who make the lives of end-users more productive with your great work.
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Name And Shame Ebayer Stealing Xdev Material
Bastards selling my Unlocker
Thief On The Loose At Hofo and possibly xda!
wow.. no reply. well i know i'm verbose, but i thought this would at least get a reply that explained yes/no if the site has designated a specific area to broadcast who are the current scammers operating out on he internets...
Should I be posting this into a different forum? if so, which one please/ thanks
As far as I know, there is no area warning about potential scams. There have been issues with people selling cooked roms on ebay that i'm aware of, but that normally comes up in model-specific forums.
it definitely could be helpful to have such an area on the forum, but at the same time, there have been many stickies informing people NOT to go out and sell other peoples work, and advising people against using warez and cracked programs.
Most people that have come to this forum realize there is no reason to pay for most software, as there's probably an excellent free or open source alternative. if there's not yet, someone's working on one. this forum is a mix of entusiasts, programmers, hackers, and people who just love to tweak their devices. once you come here and see the vast amounts of information, there's really no need to go anywhere else. i check the xda forums rather regularly, and pocketpcfreeware every now and again.
i don't think a scams section on the forum would help keep from people getting scammed elsewhere... they usually find this site after they've already been scammed. many of us have already taken it into our own hands, by trying to point as many people as we can here, so they can learn the beauty of free, well maintained software and roms made by people who just want to help others enjoy their devices more and more.
scammers are more like a disease... and prevention is the best medicine.
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As far as I know, there is no area warning about potential scams. There have been issues with people selling cooked roms on ebay that i'm aware of, but that normally comes up in model-specific forums.
it definitely could be helpful to have such an area on the forum, but at the same time, there have been many stickies informing people NOT to go out and sell other peoples work, and advising people against using warez and cracked programs.
Most people that have come to this forum realize there is no reason to pay for most software, as there's probably an excellent free or open source alternative. if there's not yet, someone's working on one. this forum is a mix of entusiasts, programmers, hackers, and people who just love to tweak their devices. once you come here and see the vast amounts of information, there's really no need to go anywhere else. i check the xda forums rather regularly, and pocketpcfreeware every now and again.
i don't think a scams section on the forum would help keep from people getting scammed elsewhere... they usually find this site after they've already been scammed. many of us have already taken it into our own hands, by trying to point as many people as we can here, so they can learn the beauty of free, well maintained software and roms made by people who just want to help others enjoy their devices more and more.
scammers are more like a disease... and prevention is the best medicine.
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There have been instances where its come to the attention of the community here and the developers of ROMS and programs that their work is being packaged and sold on ebay and the like. Obviously this behavior is viewed very negatively. While there is no policy or "organized" efforts to monitor and react, when someone does point out an instance, the community members rally around and do what they can to call the guy out, and warn potential scammees of it. Ebay is often notified directly, and also comments on the sellers postings on ebay are made to warn.
And yes, your post is verbose
List of Facebook Samsung's accounts related to our cause:
Mobile Department
Samsung Mobile
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobile#!/SamsungMobile?v=wall
Samsung Mobile Canada
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungCanada#!/samsungmobilecanada?v=wall
Samsung Mobile España
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...ges/Samsung-Mobile-Espana/108610811866?v=wall
Samsung Mobile Global
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileGlobal#!/SamsungMobileGlobal?v=wall
Samsung Mobile Romania
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileRomania
Samsung Mobile Singapore
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileSingapore#!/SamsungMobileSingapore?v=wall
Samsung Mobile UK
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungUKmobile#!/SamsungUKmobile?v=wall
another Samsung Mobile ?
http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=72687635881&v=wall
Country
Canada
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungCanada#!/SamsungCanada?v=wall
Korea
http://www.facebook.com/samsungkorea#!/samsungkorea?v=wall
USA
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungUSA?v=app_264732985926#!/SamsungUSA?v=wall
Models fan base pages?
Samsung Galaxy S
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...pages/Samsung-Galaxy-S/112079458807762?v=wall
Samsung Galaxy S Romania
http://www.facebook.com/i9000GalaxyS
Samsung Captivate
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...ages/Samsung-Captivate/114820871900462?v=wall
Samsung Epic ?
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungEpic#!/SamsungEpic?v=wall
Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant ?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...msung-Galaxy-S-Vibrant/129061660469467?v=wall
Unknowns
Engineering ?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsung-Engineering/105652329467423?v=desc
Service ?
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungService#!/SamsungService?v=wall
Samsung ?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsung/25448656869#!/pages/Samsung/25448656869?v=wall
Samsung Apps ?
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungApps?filter=2#!/SamsungApps?v=wall
If anyone can confirm which ones are official and which ones are fan based, it'll be greatly appreciated.
The ones in the Mobile Department and Country specific are definitely legit, anything else are most likely fan based sites.
- NEW full list of legit Samsung Twitter accounts -
http://twitter.com/Samsung/lists
And where to write them now, that their filessytem is bad, and thy should use another one? like ext2/4
i think this is why you posted it here, cause we were talking about an official letter by xda, about what we found out etc.
and you said its better to contact them via facebook.
so any idea how to start something big, that they notice, they have to change the FS and fix gps and all other problems?
the way we did it last time to get the 3 button fix, is simply by everyone posting into the wall about the problem
the more people that post the better
so everyone needs to join in to comment on the problem about the lag, so that they can fix it
Thank you for these links. Very nice organised list!
thank you for sharing these infos,i just sent a e-mail to the samsung, through facebook i think is a better way to contact with them.
It's a good list....... and I thank you for your efforts in trying to build a forward list of users wishing to express their opinions.
Unfortunately Facebook (or any other portal for obtaining information) does not interest Samsung.
I and many others have already posted on Facebook and not once has Samsung come back.
An example being in the past week quite a few have posted asking for a Froyo update..... When Samsung finally came back (and it was just the once) they spouted off about a competition. They totally dismissed any of the pleas and have not been heard of since.
I've also tried on Twitter which according to the UK P.R. Manager for Samsung is the media of choice.
Again, NOTHING!
I still think direct communication and getting the news to tech sites (Engadget, Phandroid ect) could be much more effective.
You really expect the engineers are Samsung to browse Facebook and read the loads of crap that their pages get flooded with? Professionals have better things to do with their time.
Direct communication can get through to high ranking people and developers, seeing news about their software screw-ups on major websites will encourage them to act.
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I still think direct communication and getting the news to tech sites (Engadget, Phandroid ect) could be much more effective.
You really expect the engineers are Samsung to browse Facebook and read the loads of crap that their pages get flooded with? Professionals have better things to do with their time.
Direct communication can get through to high ranking people and developers, seeing news about their software screw-ups on major websites will encourage them to act.
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That is also my opinion.
Again I commend AllGamer in trying to inject enthusiasm into this issue but I personally have found the direct line of approach to be more rewarding...... even if it still does not bear fruit at this stage.
Samsung Mobile Romania
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileRomania
Samsung Galaxy S Romania
http://www.facebook.com/i9000GalaxyS
Sales people and Marketing team cares about Image, and when you pressure the sales team, they will get into action.
I've been through many large companies, the companies runs based on the feedback from Sales/Marketing team
It doesn't matter what was the big picture the Development Team had in their plans, all that will go up in smoke the moment the Sales Team announce another "feature" or "new product" even though it wasn't even on the original road map, the Developers will have to do a full 180 to go and work on the new stuff the Sales people are selling, even though it's all vaporware.
the GPS issue we know they are working on it already, although they never officially admitted it
We did it with the 3 button SPL fix, and we got results, we can do it again with the Lag issue as well.
The reason it worked is because everyone chirped in, when you do it on your own, or with just a few people, it wont work, you need the support of the masses.
As long as everyone pitch in and give them the same message they'll have to acknowledge it
Good points. It's not impossible to take both approaches of course.
Cheers for this. Almost worth signing up to Facebook again - almost. As someone else has said, at least in the UK, Samsung's preferred social media site is Twitter. And if you look through tweets mentioning @samsungukmobile, all you'll see is lots of people being ignored. By all means give it a try, but personally, I'd recommend not putting all of one's eggs in one basket, so to speak. Instead bombard them through all available communication channels - e-mail, Twitter and Facebook. And wherever else you can think of...
AllGamer said:
Sales people and Marketing team cares about Image, and when you pressure the sales team, they will get into action.
I've been through many large companies, the companies runs based on the feedback from Sales/Marketing team
It doesn't matter what was the big picture the Development Team had in their plans, all that will go up in smoke the moment the Sales Team announce another "feature" or "new product" even though it wasn't even on the original road map, the Developers will have to do a full 180 to go and work on the new stuff the Sales people are selling, even though it's all vaporware.
the GPS issue we know they are working on it already, although they never officially admitted it
We did it with the 3 button SPL fix, and we got results, we can do it again with the Lag issue as well.
The reason it worked is because everyone chirped in, when you do it on your own, or with just a few people, it wont work, you need the support of the masses.
As long as everyone pitch in and give them the same message they'll have to acknowledge it
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You are correct about Sales and Marketing.
A large Multi-National company was evaluating a product I developed under an exclusive option.
R&D loved it and had all kinds of plans for it.
Sales and Marketing didn't know what to do with it.
At the end of the option period it was dropped.
Head of R&D resigned in reaction to the decision.
In the end, Sales and Marketing rule.
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Cheers for this. Almost worth signing up to Facebook again - almost. As someone else has said, at least in the UK, Samsung's preferred social media site is Twitter. And if you look through tweets mentioning @samsungukmobile, all you'll see is lots of people being ignored. By all means give it a try, but personally, I'd recommend not putting all of one's eggs in one basket, so to speak. Instead bombard them through all available communication channels - e-mail, Twitter and Facebook. And wherever else you can think of...
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That was me.... On that, Samsung have not posted on that page since the 20th Sep but what is worse is I have replied sending two tweets and not one has shown up on their twitter page.
Have a go.... post a message to @samsungukmobile and I bet your message does not show up on their page.
Now I know why it is their page of preference..... Tweets are being deleted.
this is why we need an organized effort to post on their walls, tweets, emails from all fronts
Their sales/marketing people can't spend a whole week deleting messages from their accounts
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That was me.... On that, Samsung have not posted on that page since the 20th Sep but what is worse is I have replied sending two tweets and not one has shown up on their twitter page.
Have a go.... post a message to @samsungukmobile and I bet your message does not show up on their page.
Now I know why it is their page of preference..... Tweets are being deleted.
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Yup. Been there, done that, still waiting for a response. They're not deleting tweets btw, as they're only being mentioned so don't have the power. Instead, they're just ignoring them, because they're wankers.
that's the difference with Facebook, they can't just ignore it
and if they Delete it from facebook, then you know they did read it but did not want to touch that topic
yet if they leave it on their facebook page, they will get criticized if they don't answer it
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It's a good list....... and I thank you for your efforts in trying to build a forward list of users wishing to express their opinions.
Unfortunately Facebook (or any other portal for obtaining information) does not interest Samsung.
I and many others have already posted on Facebook and not once has Samsung come back.
An example being in the past week quite a few have posted asking for a Froyo update..... When Samsung finally came back (and it was just the once) they spouted off about a competition. They totally dismissed any of the pleas and have not been heard of since.
I've also tried on Twitter which according to the UK P.R. Manager for Samsung is the media of choice.
Again, NOTHING!
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It does work we got Samsung Canada to release the 3 button update.. Via Facebook... After a few post about the problem Samsung Canada replied that they are looking into to the issue.. they even asked for more info from some users.... about 1 week later Samsung Canada updated us saying they found the problem and would be release a fix soon.. a few days later the update was released. and they even thank some people for bringing the issue forward to them.
TriC_101 said:
It does work we got Samsung Canada to release the 3 button update.. Via Facebook... After a few post about the problem Samsung Canada replied that they are looking into to the issue.. they even asked for more info from some users.... about 1 week later Samsung Canada updated us saying they found the problem and would be release a fix soon.. a few days later the update was released. and they even thank some people for bringing the issue forward to them.
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Suggest a fix to the lag then... hehe
TriC_101 said:
It does work we got Samsung Canada to release the 3 button update.. Via Facebook... After a few post about the problem Samsung Canada replied that they are looking into to the issue.. they even asked for more info from some users.... about 1 week later Samsung Canada updated us saying they found the problem and would be release a fix soon.. a few days later the update was released. and they even thank some people for bringing the issue forward to them.
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Bear in mind that, just because something works for one national arm of the company, it doesn't mean that it will always work for others...
Hi all,
I thought I would try and start a place for only the US Dev Edition unit where we could house the reponses and issues with updates, delays, etc...
I hope this makes sense and is useful. If not, then if one of the moderators could remove it, please....
I will start by offering the respone I just received from HTC regarding my question around why they could launch the Google Edition with 4.2.2. but still leave the US waiting for the update on the Developers Edition.
I thought buying a "clean" device, paying top dollar, direclty from HTC, with no Carrier involvment would mean timely updates?
I encourage others to post any information about this update or any future ones for this device!
Thank you for contacting the HTC Technical Support Center
We understand how you may be feeling regarding the update process to Jelly Bean 4.2 for the HTC One and we deeply apologize for the delay on this process. We sincerely work hard always on the updates for our customers, since we understand it is important for all of you to have the latest Android OS Versions.
We are always looking forward to develop updates that enhance your HTC experience. Due to the nature of the software development cycle, we may encounter the need to make some changes to ensure everything will work flawlessly, which is why we no longer engage to announce release dates.
We are currently running some tests to make sure the HTC One will function properly with 4.2, so we encourage you to check constantly on our website for further details about the release date. You can also follow us on Facebook or Twitter, where you can easily find the news of our products and also you can share all your concerns with our fans.
We sincerely expect your comprehension on this matter. Thanks for your continuous support of our products and services. Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us through http://www.htc.com/www/contact/email/ or call us at +1-866-449-8358 from 8AM to 1AM, 7 days a week.
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Hi all,
I thought I would try and start a place for only the US Dev Edition unit where we could house the reponses and issues with updates, delays, etc...
I hope this makes sense and is useful. If not, then if one of the moderators could remove it, please....
I will start by offering the respone I just received from HTC regarding my question around why they could launch the Google Edition with 4.2.2. but still leave the US waiting for the update on the Developers Edition.
I thought buying a "clean" device, paying top dollar, direclty from HTC, with no Carrier involvment would mean timely updates?
I encourage others to post any information about this update or any future ones for this device!
Thank you for contacting the HTC Technical Support Center
We understand how you may be feeling regarding the update process to Jelly Bean 4.2 for the HTC One and we deeply apologize for the delay on this process. We sincerely work hard always on the updates for our customers, since we understand it is important for all of you to have the latest Android OS Versions.
We are always looking forward to develop updates that enhance your HTC experience. Due to the nature of the software development cycle, we may encounter the need to make some changes to ensure everything will work flawlessly, which is why we no longer engage to announce release dates.
We are currently running some tests to make sure the HTC One will function properly with 4.2, so we encourage you to check constantly on our website for further details about the release date. You can also follow us on Facebook or Twitter, where you can easily find the news of our products and also you can share all your concerns with our fans.
We sincerely expect your comprehension on this matter. Thanks for your continuous support of our products and services. Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us through http://www.htc.com/www/contact/email/ or call us at +1-866-449-8358 from 8AM to 1AM, 7 days a week.
Best regards,
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Ahhh... Nothing like a generic message saying that we're not telling you anything.
same situation
bobruels44 said:
Ahhh... Nothing like a generic message saying that we're not telling you anything.
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I am the in the exact same situation, spent 649 dollars on the HTC One 64 gb. Developer Edition. This
was supposed to be the phone to receive the updates first. I am still sitting here with 4.12 and checking
software updates 20 times a day. Very frustrating to say the least!
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Slowwwwly rolling out but not yet to US
cc999 said:
I am the in the exact same situation, spent 649 dollars on the HTC One 64 gb. Developer Edition. This
was supposed to be the phone to receive the updates first. I am still sitting here with 4.12 and checking
software updates 20 times a day. Very frustrating to say the least!
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I agree and I have seen the other posts so I know the Update is slowly being rolled out overseas to the International Versions, but the Google Edition That has 4.2.2 is for sale in the US, so they should have given it to the owners fo the Developers Edition in the US. I will post any additonal information/alerts about any updates in other countries as soon as i hear about it. Thanks for commenting !
sent email
maddie01 said:
I agree and I have seen the other posts so I know the Update is slowly being rolled out overseas to the International Versions, but the Google Edition That has 4.2.2 is for sale in the US, so they should have given it to the owners fo the Developers Edition in the US. I will post any additonal information/alerts about any updates in other countries as soon as i hear about it. Thanks for commenting !
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Well I sent the email to the HTC Tech Support Center. Just received this back, look familiar? NOBODY EVEN READS THESE!
"Thank you for contacting the HTC Technical Support Center
We understand how you may be feeling regarding the update process to Jelly Bean 4.2 for the HTC One and we deeply apologize for the delay on this process. We sincerely work hard always on the updates for our customers, since we understand it is important for all of you to have the latest Android OS Versions.
We are always looking forward to develop updates that enhance your HTC experience. Due to the nature of the software development cycle, we may encounter the need to make some changes to ensure everything will work flawlessly, which is why we no longer engage to announce release dates. Charlie, we are currently running some tests to make sure the HTC One will function properly with 4.2, so we encourage you to check constantly on our website for further details about the release date. You can also follow us on Facebook or Twitter, where you can easily find the news of our products and also you can share all your concerns with our fans.
We sincerely expect your comprehension on this matter. Thanks for your continuous support of our products and services. Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us through http://www.htc.com/www/contact/email/ or call us at +1-866-449-8358 from 8AM to 1AM, 7 days a week. "
CC
This is just a copy and paste reply and replace the name with your name. 4.2.2 is pushed out for International ONE and they are working hard on your developer ONE to make sure you get the HTC worst experience of being a developer.
Sent from my HTC One using xda app-developers app
Encourage everyone to send a message to; http://www.htcdev.com/
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Well I sent the email to the HTC Tech Support Center. Just received this back, look familiar? NOBODY EVEN READS THESE!
"Thank you for contacting the HTC Technical Support Center
We understand how you may be feeling regarding the update process to Jelly Bean 4.2 for the HTC One and we deeply apologize for the delay on this process. We sincerely work hard always on the updates for our customers, since we understand it is important for all of you to have the latest Android OS Versions.
We are always looking forward to develop updates that enhance your HTC experience. Due to the nature of the software development cycle, we may encounter the need to make some changes to ensure everything will work flawlessly, which is why we no longer engage to announce release dates. Charlie, we are currently running some tests to make sure the HTC One will function properly with 4.2, so we encourage you to check constantly on our website for further details about the release date. You can also follow us on Facebook or Twitter, where you can easily find the news of our products and also you can share all your concerns with our fans.
We sincerely expect your comprehension on this matter. Thanks for your continuous support of our products and services. Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us through http://www.htc.com/www/contact/email/ or call us at +1-866-449-8358 from 8AM to 1AM, 7 days a week. "
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Thanks!
One of the things I was hoping to accomplish was to get as many people as possible to send in thier message to; http://www.htcdev.com/...
so that HTC would see the number of frustrated customers. I know that every corporation tracks incoming messages by Subject matter and they review the topics on a regular basis. May not change anything now but there is power in numbers! HTC could use as much positive press as possible right now anyway!
4.2.2 for the us versions will be here within the next few weeks. You will get the update before the carriers at least.
Im sure everyone knows the international for mostly all phones get it first before the united states.
To CC999: (Sorry I replied to the wrong post and got wrong quote)
You aren't alone. I share your sentiment. Could have easily gotten the El Cheapo from ATT but chose to pony up for the DE and now being treated like a guy with the ATT version *shrug*. It makes me feel like these companies like HTC aren't even in tune with the silly little things that potentially keep Android fans happy and loyal...like....timely updates to as recent an OS version as possible??!! About two weeks ago I rooted and flashed Viper One. And Fell in love with my phone all over again. But it's missing the lock screen widget, the instagram blinkfeed and the immediately sharable screenshots...which i actually really miss from my Nexus 4. Also, I desperately need my Zoes to stop saving 2000 still pics with each day out at the park. Sigh. What can ya do....
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Thanks!
One of the things I was hoping to accomplish was to get as many people as possible to send in thier message to; http://www.htcdev.com/...
so that HTC would see the number of frustrated customers. I know that every corporation tracks incoming messages by Subject matter and they review the topics on a regular basis. May not change anything now but there is power in numbers! HTC could use as much positive press as possible right now anyway!
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You should post this to reddit, I've sent in my email to HTC addressing my concerns with their update process as well, pretty sure I'll get the same bullsh*t message back from them.
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I got a slightly different response:
Thank you for reaching the HTC Tech Support Team with your inquiry, I’m here to make sure all your questions and doubts are cleared.
I comprehend where you're coming from, as I been there before; I certainly know that now days is vital to be up to date when it comes to remain connected/communicated, basically because it is high priority to have a reliable device, nevertheless, as of now, all of the updates are only pushed when the stability of the devices is guaranteed, therefore, it has to be under constant analysis, trials & rewrites among others; only when it has reached nearest point of perfection, which is at our development team's discretion, it's when is send out or pushed to specific devices (such as your HTC One), once again I do acknowledge and understand your perspective on this matter, which is why we greatly appreciate the understanding and patience on this subject.
If you need further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us at http://www.htc.com/us/contact/email/, I’m here to make sure all your questions are addressed in the most efficient way, or if you prefer real time assistance you can reach our customer service line at +1-866-449-8358, 8 am to 1 am ET, 7 days a week.
Thank you for choosing HTC.
If you think about it, HTC was pretty upfront about what they think of US developer editions; our cids start with BS, you should've known that htc would BS about the updates and that the developer edition being special.
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djan84 said:
If you think about it, HTC was pretty upfront about what they think of US developer editions; our cids start with BS, you should've known that htc would BS about the updates and that the developer edition being special.
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Haahaa, nice one so we have the Bull [email protected]+ version..I love it...good attitude to have. Hopefully news will start rolling in as it gets released across the US...can always go back to a Custom 4.2.2 until the Stock version is official..Thanks for the laugh.
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Thanks for e-mailing HTC and posting the differenet response....Well at least we know they are not total robots and they can respond in thier own words! Even though they continue to avoid the issue of the Google Edition haivng 4.2.2. as the Dev Edition and the Google Edition are not that different (except Sense and maybe an extra radio?)...still good to keep some pressure on them,
HTC doesn't care much about the pressure that comes from XDA, but get this on the front page of Reddit and the update will be out tomorrow lol.
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cc999 said:
I am the in the exact same situation, spent 649 dollars on the HTC One 64 gb. Developer Edition. This
was supposed to be the phone to receive the updates first. I am still sitting here with 4.12 and checking
software updates 20 times a day. Very frustrating to say the least!
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I'm also frustrated about all of this, but you are making assumptions that are untrue.
Where did you ever hear HTC claim that "This was supposed to be the phone to receive the updates first"? I'm pretty sure the announced purpose of this phone is to be the untouched edition with the bootloader unlockable out of the box, with no possibility for carrier restrictions.
Nowhere did I ever read HTC claim that it would be the first to receive updates, and that's a silly assumption to make. It's a niche version of the phone - sure it's popular here on XDA, but it's a very small drop in the ocean - and I would expect the other versions to receive priority on updates.
At the end of the day, HTC is still a business and they're going to prioritise updates to the versions of the phone that have the largest user base.
Will play around with Reddit tomorrow and see how to go about this. Thanks for the Post...
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Will play around with Reddit tomorrow and see how to go about this. Thanks for the Post...
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Good luck.
I honestly think its bullcrap that they won't release it stateside yet. We had ROMs with 4.2.2 firmware over a month ago and even when they updated WWE units to newer 4.1.2 versions the dev edition didn't get it for weeks.
I'm optimistic but I'd say probably somewhere closer to a week.
I'm 100% sure that the dev edit would get the update after the standard htc one USA unlocked version. Watch!
I don't see any benefits of a dev edit htc one. It's not even s off
In the mean time I keep hitting check for update. I know we close.
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Will play around with Reddit tomorrow and see how to go about this. Thanks for the Post...
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Someone has already posted it to /r/HTCone.
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Knowing how picky moderators are in these forums, I wouldn't post this here if I weren't convinced that it can be useful to at least one potential buyer, and to at least one WP8 developer.
In my review I'm not providing reasons, but facts, backed up with screenshots. Someone said that where there are facts there is no room for reasons.
Of course I'll update my review when and if I realize some of the issues I've listed prove to have some easy workaround.
Here's the link: +50 screenshots against Windows Phones. A WP8 issues review.
Hope at least some of you find it interesting.
Well you have some points but generally all the so called review is plain bs...
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Knowing how picky moderators are in these forums, I wouldn't post this here if I weren't convinced that it can be useful to at least one potential buyer, and to at least one WP8 developer.
In my review I'm not providing reasons, but facts, backed up with screenshots. Someone said that where there are facts there is no room for reasons.
Of course I'll update my review when and if I realize some of the issues I've listed prove to have some easy workaround.
Here's the link: +25 screenshots against Windows Phones. A WP8 issues review.
Hope at least some of you find it interesting.
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I also have a Lumia 925 and I've never had some of the issues you post here. For example, I've used Whatsapp AND Facebook intensely on long trips (6 hrs approx) by bus, going through places with strong and weak signals and when I got home after the trip, I still have like 20 or 18% of battery life. Maybe it's because I have at most 4 apps running in the background, but still that doesn't explain why your whatsapp and viber consume so much battery.
About the data sharing feature, I think that's carrier dependent. There are some firmwares that have restrictions in the network sharing features (mostly the ones installed by the operators) so that you buy special data sharing features from them (T-Mobile and AT&T do that). I live in Chile, and fortunately operators don't do that here, so I can share data wifi with my laptop even when I have only 1 bar of 3G or 4G signal, Never tried that on roaming though, but I think it would have the restrictions you mention.
Advertising ID is basically a "glorified" version of "do not track" feature of modern web browsers. Nothing fancy, just that.
Phone updates behaves erratically. At least for me, sometimes it takes a looooooonnggg time to do anything, and sometimes it works really fast. Don't know why though.
WiFi sense sucks. Period.
About contacts...eerrmm... why would I want to store the contacts on the SIM card, where it's limited as hell? It makes sense to store the contacts on the cloud (whether it's Google's cloud, Yahoo's cloud or Microsoft or whatever) and download them in your new phone rather than sending them via Bluetooth. When I bought this phone, I downloaded my contacts from my Google account (the one that I used with an Android phone) and it worked fine. In fact, you can save your contacts on the cloud and then access them on an iPhone or Blackberry with no hassle at all.
Map updates restrictions make no sense at all and I agree with you 100%. They should at least give the option to let that run in the background.
The random freezes and "resuming..." issue is a well known issue for some Lumias 925s and 1020s and it's being fixed by Microsoft within the Denim update. My Lumia 925 doesn't have it, but it's because it uses a Latin American firmware and its a Latin American version (although, it is compatible with the european firmwares). If you want that issue fixed right now, you can always install the finnish firmware to your phone and then download the update, because as far as I know, the finnish firmware is the only one right now that it has the fix, but it is coming to the rest of Europe soon.
All in all, it was a honest review and that is always appreciated.
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I've never had any of these problems, and most of these complaints van be explained by common sense.
Think about why they've done it that way before complaining, yes there are a lot of restrictions (it's more open than an iphone though) but that's also why it's so secure.
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Thank you for the constructive reply. I've answered in the original article's comments.
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hmmm you do know that xda isn't here to promote your blog right ?
so if you answer to a question you do it here where you posted your "problems" and don't "force" people to read your complains elsewhere !!!
Greetings Cees Heim.
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hmmm you do know that xda isn't here to promote your blog right ?
so if you answer to a question you do it here where you posted your "problems" and don't "force" people to read your complains elsewhere !!!
Greetings Cees Heim.
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Oh, please! Do whatever you have to do, ban me or delete the thread, but don't litter it flaming with subjective and unfounded judgements. I take no sermons.
How about taking a thread closure then?
OP...with the constant negative replies and we feel this thread will go nowhere fast and in a hurry.
Regarding this reddit post: see attachements, can't post links yet sorry.
It looks like alcatel not only tweaked the camera and the general perfomances but changed alot more on this update. And we do not even know about it because they don't want the changelogs to be public. The guy in question is claiming he saw the changelogs but can't communicate about it.
I don't understand why alcatel would do that, why aren't they telling is what's coming and what's going on. Not even changelogs? Come on.. They're social media is all about self promotion and they don't even answer to actual technical questions.
What do you guys think about it?
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Regarding this reddit post: see attachements, can't post links yet sorry.
It looks like alcatel not only tweaked the camera and the general perfomances but changed alot more on this update. And we do not even know about it because they don't want the changelogs to be public. The guy in question is claiming he saw the changelogs but can't communicate about it.
I don't understand why alcatel would do that, why aren't they telling is what's coming and what's going on. Not even changelogs? Come on.. They're social media is all about self promotion and they don't even answer to actual technical questions.
What do you guys think about it?
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If you go to that Reddit post , you will notice a response there that pretty much answers your question. It is a Chinese company , and lot of this is cultural.
So far I really like the phone, especially for what I paid for it. The only thing I'm worried about us will they update this phone. I still have some time before I have to decide whether or not to keep it or return it. This phone would be a beast with an update and some dev support.
I really wanted the next nexus but in all honesty, with these mid range budget phones makers stepping up their game it's hard to justify spending the extra cash.
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So far I really like the phone, especially for what I paid for it. The only thing I'm worried about us will they update this phone. I still have some time before I have to decide whether or not to keep it or return it. This phone would be a beast with an update and some dev support.
I really wanted the next nexus but in all honesty, with these mid range budget phones makers stepping up their game it's hard to justify spending the extra cash.
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They've had 2 updates to the phone in the less than 2 months the phone has been available to the public. How many updates are you expecting?
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They've had 2 updates to the phone in the less than 2 months the phone has been available to the public. How many updates are you expecting?
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An update to 5.1 would be nice and they haven't really updated anything besides a couple software tweaks. I don't consider that an update, just maintenance.
I 'd like to see them make more responsive fixes to what people are complaining about. I've reached out to them via email and phone several times and it seems as though they don't have a good mechanism to collect feedback. It makes wonder how they decide what bugs exist and how they manage defect priorities. I home someone there is secretly reading these forums.
Their standard fix is to do a full data reset from recovery and to be honest that has fixed issues I've had after both OTA updates. I attribute that to sloppy software devs but then again its a $200 phone that targets markets in other countries.
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Regarding this reddit post: see attachements, can't post links yet sorry.
It looks like alcatel not only tweaked the camera and the general perfomances but changed alot more on this update. And we do not even know about it because they don't want the changelogs to be public. The guy in question is claiming he saw the changelogs but can't communicate about it.
I don't understand why alcatel would do that, why aren't they telling is what's coming and what's going on. Not even changelogs? Come on.. They're social media is all about self promotion and they don't even answer to actual technical questions.
What do you guys think about it?
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Jason from Alcatel posted a changelog for the update in the comments of that thread yesterday:
Hi all. We are listening and thank you guys for voicing your concerns and questions. Supporting our community is obviously very important to us, and that includes making sure we're keeping you informed. We apologize for not making the fixes in this update more apparent. We’ll work to make sure you get this in the future, but here’s what we fixed with the latest IDOL 3 update (see below). We will continue to keep you updated as best we can, but as always, please keep the feedback coming. Your input makes us better.
As part of our dedication to continuous improvement, we have implemented that the below enhancements to improve the overall user experience of IDOL 3, which have been implemented on the following software release: 7SQR-UEQ0
Double-Tap to unlock Improved responsiveness to user double-tap command
Corrected Relative Aperture value (F-Stop) display Images taken with the rear camera now accurately reflect the true f/2.0 aperture
Flash Quality Improved flash quality in low light/dark environments
Incoming call notification Incoming call notifications are now less intrusive during user activity such as playing a game or watching a video
“No Service” while Wi-Fi is enabled Resolved incorrect signal display that sometimes showed no service while in good network coverage when Wi-Fi was enabled
Kill Switch Function Device will no longer show “incorrect password” on the lock screen after an untrusted master reset
Downloading Email apps with no default application Resolved an issue that sometimes caused failed email attachment downloads
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Sounds like they'll be better about communication going forward!
Thanks for posting this. I did notice the correction on the F-Stop in the EXIF - so that is what they were touting as 'Camera Improvements' in the original messaging about the update. This is really not an 'improvement' , is it !
This is example of bad customer support
Dear Bozidar,
We sincerely apologize the inconvenience!
Please contact our repair center to check:
http://www.alcatelonetouch.com/global-en/support/repairStart
Again thank you and have a wonderful day.
Should you have another request, do not hesitate to contact us.
Thank you for choosing Alcatel!
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The following information was collected: Name: Bozidar E-Mail: Subject: Still no updates for Idol 3 5,5 in Serbia Message: Hello! Can you tell me whats the catch! I bought new phone, but no support. Shame. A lot people complains about it. Where is patch for Eastern Europe users? This phone has very serious problem with overheating! Also it is laggy. Double tap to wake doesnt work well. You adressed some of these issues in you patch, but nobody with 6045K didnt get it yet! Please answer! Country:Serbia Product Name:IDOL 3 Support Language: English
bokaco7 said:
This is example of bad customer support
Dear Bozidar,
We sincerely apologize the inconvenience!
Please contact our repair center to check:
http://www.alcatelonetouch.com/global-en/support/repairStart
Again thank you and have a wonderful day.
Should you have another request, do not hesitate to contact us.
Thank you for choosing Alcatel!
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The following information was collected: Name: Bozidar E-Mail: Subject: Still no updates for Idol 3 5,5 in Serbia Message: Hello! Can you tell me whats the catch! I bought new phone, but no support. Shame. A lot people complains about it. Where is patch for Eastern Europe users? This phone has very serious problem with overheating! Also it is laggy. Double tap to wake doesnt work well. You adressed some of these issues in you patch, but nobody with 6045K didnt get it yet! Please answer! Country:Serbia Product Name:IDOL 3 Support Language: English
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Seems like a automatic answer unfortunately...
Maybe contact them via Facebook ?
yeah, each of my emails detailing performance issues or suggested fixes (complaints) was returned with a suggestion to use recovery to reset to defaults. after that doesnt work the next response to return under RMA for replacement. Their tech support leaves much to be desired.