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HD2 owners...S2 Touchwiz vs Sensation Sense

Hi peeps...
As an HD2 owner at end of contract. One is in a quandry. I wanted S2 on Three AYCE... but now having second thoughts.
S2 excellent spec but looking at videos on youtube, touchwiz looks a little old, like old windows mobile 6, bit basic looking.
Sensation, lower specs but running sense. If it it works well I wont be bothered about rooting.
HD2 owners who have jumped on the Galaxy bandwagon, do you feel the integration of the calendar etc is less flash than Senses' integration etc?
Also, ideally i wanted to get a new phone before my honeymoon at end of the month. So not much time.
Early adopters of S2 are starting to complain about various things, and it's making me waiver. I've been running vanilla android on HD2 so have forgotten alot about Sense, but remembered it looked nice and well integrated.
Currently thinking of getting the htc on a cheap contract or buy, then buy a 3 AYCE sim to use with it. Decisions decisions!
Your thoughts...?

I had desire hd and i prefere touchwiz that sense, few bits id like to change on here but overall it isn't too bad, social hubs need to be removed "that's a must", i wouldn't say its like windows no way.
Havent tried sense 3.0 so couldn't compare.
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I guess the only way to decide is to pop down to the local 3 store and have a play. Big decision, will have it for a long time.

You do know there such things as launchers that easily replace the stock touchwiz, blur etc.
Just install it and you are good to go.

MaxReality said:
HD2 owners who have jumped on the Galaxy bandwagon, do you feel the integration of the calendar etc is less flash than Senses' integration etc?
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My S2 didn't turn up today (should tomorrow), so I can't say on a day-to-day usage. But if you're in doubt then drop by a store somewhere if you can, and ask to have a play with a demo unit. You can't really test integration *properly* but it should give you an idea of what it's like.
As mentioned, you can try out other home launchers (ADW Launcher and Launcher Pro are two considered among the best) to see if you like any of them as an alternative to TouchWiz (or Sense).

Get whichever phone you actually want - as others have said, just replace the stock launchers if you dont like them - plenty of choice there.
Also - might not be a good idea to get the new phone just before your honeymoon, your mrs might not appreciate you having a second honeymoon period at the same time

There's more to it than the launchers in sense. Their own apps, and then the nice widgets they provide for you. A launcher just simply can't offer you the full experience.
Anyways on topic. Well personally I wouldn't even think of choosing the sensation due to the measely 1 gb rom. Now 512 on the HD2 was bad enough, but 1gb? And the fact that sense 3.0 is even bigger than other sense versions, so how much space do we actually have for apps? I know we have ways of "expanding storage", but a flagship shouldn't even require us to be doing such. And sense? Am I really going to let sense get in the way of me getting the best speced device out there? With the best screen? Or even best camera (who knows, I can say that sensation won't be packing a "wow" camera since it's HTC)?
Well that's all I can think of.

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I guess the only way to decide is to pop down to the local 3 store and have a play. Big decision, will have it for a long time.
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That is the smart thing to do...ultimatelly it will come down to your own preference. If you are used to Sense, you may not feel like changing...but then again, you might be curious to try something new/different...not necessarily better or worse.

Yeah recently changed from Mdeejays CM7 to BoyPPC and impressed with the LP sense bits. Might pre-order the sensation and in the meantime checkout the s2, if the Sensation does arrive around the 19th, I will have time to decide which I prefer, and presume I can return the Sensation. No PAYG tariff with VF though. Still want the 3 mobile AYCE.

MaxReality said:
Hi peeps...
As an HD2 owner at end of contract. One is in a quandry. I wanted S2 on Three AYCE... but now having second thoughts.
S2 excellent spec but looking at videos on youtube, touchwiz looks a little old, like old windows mobile 6, bit basic looking.
Sensation, lower specs but running sense. If it it works well I wont be bothered about rooting.
HD2 owners who have jumped on the Galaxy bandwagon, do you feel the integration of the calendar etc is less flash than Senses' integration etc?
Also, ideally i wanted to get a new phone before my honeymoon at end of the month. So not much time.
Early adopters of S2 are starting to complain about various things, and it's making me waiver. I've been running vanilla android on HD2 so have forgotten alot about Sense, but remembered it looked nice and well integrated.
Currently thinking of getting the htc on a cheap contract or buy, then buy a 3 AYCE sim to use with it. Decisions decisions!
Your thoughts...?
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I would say the intergration on Sense is better. Like you i've been running a Vanilla ROM on my HD2 and it seems to work a lot faster. I use Launcher Pro which is good.
Touch Wiz is o.k but i've not had a proper play with it. The specs alone for the SGS2 make me want to get the phone!! Hopefully I should have one tomorrow.
I tried a pre production model of the Sensation at the Gadget Show Live. Nice phone.

Threes AYCE is good, and there signal (for me at least) is the best in my area thusly their speeds are amazing (2mbps)....but 24m contract...gets thumbs down from me
I like to upgrade my phone every 6 months so in having an 18 month contract, 1 in every 3 times i get a free phone. If i was on a 24m it would be 1 in every 4 phones....if you get what im sayin

vinokirk said:
Threes AYCE is good, and there signal (for me at least) is the best in my area thusly their speeds are amazing (2mbps)....but 24m contract...gets thumbs down from me
I like to upgrade my phone every 6 months so in having an 18 month contract, 1 in every 3 times i get a free phone. If i was on a 24m it would be 1 in every 4 phones....if you get what im sayin
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12 month Sim Only AYCE for £25 is pretty good.

Kailkti said:
Well personally I wouldn't even think of choosing the sensation due to the measely 1 gb rom. Now 512 on the HD2 was bad enough, but 1gb? And the fact that sense 3.0 is even bigger than other sense versions, so how much space do we actually have for apps?
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Doesn't the Sensation have 786 mb ram, and 4 gb rom, but only 1 gb of which is available to the user? 2 gb is reserved for apps and the other 1 gb is for sense, etc? I'll try and find out where i read this. I might have got it confused with the evo 3d, possibly.
Ian

I was in the same position deciding whether to go with the S2 or Sensation however I was due an upgrade now and would never jump from O2 to Vodafone due to the poor reception I get in my area, nothing comes close to O2. Anyway I ended up getting the S2 as there's no official release date for the sensation on O2 or any other carriers except for June which is ages away. I will definitely be having a look at the sensation and if I like it that much I'll sell the S2 and get one as I have Sense 2.1 on my HD2 and love it, makes Touchwiz look a little plain and boring.
In the meantime I'll be trying out other launchers as I've done with web browsers as the standard S2 browser is pretty poor always defaulting to mobile user agent every use even after selecting desktop. I'm using Dolphin HD and it's really good so far.
I'm definitely missing Sense at the moment just for all the widgets, SMS, friendstream and music the most and then there's the screen layout, home should always be the middle not far left lol. I'm still giving Touchwiz a chance as it's definitely not as bad as I first thought from seeing it in the reviews.
Personally other than Sense I actually liked the bulk and feel of the HD2 also which I'm sure the Sensation will be similar to as the S2 is a little light and there's not alot to it.
You wouldn't be dissappointed with the S2 that's for sure it's a beast of a phone and I'm getting used to the "quirks" I'm not a fan of so I'm sure you could adapt likewise and with the right development support I'm sure there'll be customisations left, right and centre to make it that little bit better

Beaker491 said:
Doesn't the Sensation have 786 mb ram, and 4 gb rom, but only 1 gb of which is available to the user? 2 gb is reserved for apps and the other 1 gb is for sense, etc? I'll try and find out where i read this. I might have got it confused with the evo 3d, possibly.
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Yeah specs put me off too. But, if the screen allows to read web pages, like the iphone4, then that is a good bonus. Same with reading pdf's, the standard res of HD2 and possibly sg2, means small writing is blurred, again, will be interesting to test the sg2 in the shop.
re: memory, I believe its 4gb: 3gb for whatever and 1gb for user storage.
Recording 1080p, surely you need alot of storage memory, like sg2. htc=fail.

From what I see on GSMarena, it's 1 gb. For the evo 3d it's 4gb storage with 1gb ram.

i've been using htc desire for a year and though i like sense, i haven't really missed it since getting sgs2. sure touch wiz is not as good and the dock looks too much like iphone to my liking but there are so many decent launchers out there in the market which are as good as sense. its the hardware of sgs2 which makes this phone standout and even my iphone friends are well impressed by the screen and the smoothness of the phone.

Still not got hands on gs2 but now waivering to Sensation due to display resolution. Vodafone retentions reckon they will have it 16 to 19th May and will be Sim Unlocked. Will checkout gs2 this weekend. Either way, getting one 12month AYCE on 3mobile sim only.
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Kailkti said:
From what I see on GSMarena, it's 1 gb. For the evo 3d it's 4gb storage with 1gb ram.
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I just googled "HTC sensation internal memory" and half the results say 1 gb and the other half says 4 gb
I prefer sense over touchwiz any day myself, but i've got to admit, i'm leaning to the SGS 2 purely on hardware alone. Which some might say is a bit naive, i guess.
Ian

The new Sense 3.0 looked really good from what I saw, but ultimately I decided to go for the S II as it looked a much nicer phone and specs wise it seemed better, discounting screen resolution. I mainly used LauncherPro previously and as TouchWiz wasn't really very good I switched over.
Henco

Will 8gb be enough on Nexus 4?

I'm thinking about getting the 8gb model, but is the 16gb really worth $50 more? What do you guys think? I'm not sure if I will have enough space for custom roms and backups. As for music and other stuff I'm planning to store it on the cloud.
Thanks in advance

mbrinker96 said:
I'm thinking about getting the 8gb model, but is the 16gb really worth $50 more? What do you guys think? I'm not sure if I will have enough space for custom roms and backups. As for music and other stuff I'm planning to store it on the cloud.
Thanks in advance
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I hope you're "thankful" for this.
just kiddin.
Okay, so a ROM usually is 300mb-1gb. But I'm guessing because they're AOSP roms, we're looking @ 300mb-600mb. 600 being a really bloated rom. Secondly, games will take up a bunch of space, so beware of that (1-3 gb's). Apps will take ~1gb. The partition will be reduced cause of the Android ~2gb. And don't even think about adding music, you won't have room for that.
In other words, 8gb's means you're sacrificing something. Either apps, music, or roms.
Get the 16GB. Honestly.

qwahchees said:
I hope you're "thankful" for this.
just kiddin.
Okay, so a ROM usually is 300mb-1gb. But I'm guessing because they're AOSP roms, we're looking @ 300mb-600mb. 600 being a really bloated rom. Secondly, games will take up a bunch of space, so beware of that (1-3 gb's). Apps will take ~1gb. The partition will be reduced cause of the Android ~2gb. And don't even think about adding music, you won't have room for that.
In other words, 8gb's means you're sacrificing something. Either apps, music, or roms.
Get the 16GB. Honestly.
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I forgot about the reduced partition, well at least it's not too much more for the 16gb.

I will get 8GB. I just don't need much space. I use my phone mainly for browsing, forums and simple games. After 1 year, I still have 10GB left. So, it depends how you want to use your phone? Lots of music, HD games? Then take 16GB.
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16GB all the way for me! The more the merrier is what I say! Take all you can get!

Probably 16gb for my usage...

Don't know if this is important to you or not, but even if you were ok with 8gb, a year down the road, you will have a hard time selling it seeing as how 8gb sounds ridiculous even now. Games and apps are surely not going to decrease in size with time Its just 60 odd dollars more for double the storage, go for it!

Realistically speaking, 8 would work for me. I'm getting the 16 anyways.
A) Resale
B) Don't have to worry about how many pics I take (especially with Photosphere)
C) I like pie. :laugh:

If in doubt get the 8GB and a 32GB Wi-Drive like me.

donec said:
If in doubt get the 8GB and a 32GB Wi-Drive like me.
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Wi-drive?
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donec said:
If in doubt get the 8GB and a 32GB Wi-Drive like me.
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I've got a 500gb GoFlex by Seagate.
The perks of working at Best Buy
I'm also getting the 8gb.

I'm gona get 8gb and let otg take the strain if 8 isn't enough, however the N4 only has to last me a year max then it becomes my spare having decided what hi end LTE phone I buy at some point in 2013, presuming the Mayan interpreters are wrong.

Same here,getting the 8 GB too. :fingers-crossed:

8GB would probably work for me if I don't use it for my mp3 player. But I'm pretty positive I'll be going with the 16GB anyway. Better safe than sorry.

I will get the 8gb as well. Considering I don't use my phone for more than a year, I wouldn't want to spend more than I have to.
In terms of resale value, the selling price is quite low so I would be happy if I can sell for 200s
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Wi-drive?
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00576APEI/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
http://www.kingston.com/us/usb/wireless#wid

I'm going for the 8gb version. I have all 40-something gigs of my music on google music so basically the only thing on the phone will be apps and pictures which are going to take up nowhere near 5/6 gigs. Plus I have 5gb of google drive, 25gb of dropbox, and there are plenty of other free cloud sites out there.

I was considering the 16 gig but for what? I don't put vids on my phone, I do have pics but they don't take lots of space, I have plenty of apps that don't even use a gig of memory, the most that I use storage for is to back up roms. Everytime there's a new version of the rom, I back it up and delete the old back up. I think 8 gig is enough for me, 4gig was enough on my old sensation.......
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Euthye said:
I'm gona get 8gb and let otg take the strain if 8 isn't enough, however the N4 only has to last me a year max then it becomes my spare having decided what hi end LTE phone I buy at some point in 2013, presuming the Mayan interpreters are wrong.
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In all the panic I ended up getting the 16gb, I'm very impressed with my phone, I'm coming from a Note but the Nexus 4 seems way smoother and faster, got a slim tpu case and a vertical flip cheapy off Amazon atm I'm waiting for a Nilkin Flip which will prob be the main case unless Poetic bring out an Atmosphere Flip for the Nexus 4.

8gb if you don't hear music and/or have a load of videos.
I don't, so I went for the 8gb, I have 3gb free and 50gb on my dropbox.

[Q] 8GB Re-sale value

I want to get the 8gb N4 because that 299 price tag looks so good, but I am scared to because I feel like the resale value will be not so great. What do you guys think??

i think the re-sale value will maintain well. Especially if the next gen nexus is of a higher cost than this gen.

Robert_W said:
i think the re-sale value will maintain well. Especially if the next gen nexus is of a higher cost than this gen.
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I feel like there would be a lot more demand for the 16gb if I were to list it on craigslist or something similar. Maybe I'm just being too harsh on the lil 8 gigger haha

I think that for an extra $50, you get double the storage and, if you decide to sell, twice the appeal in the after market. If you can afford the extra $50, I'd suggest you dig deep and get the 16. You can always use < 16 GBs of space but you can't use > 8 if you need it.

there will always he a higher demand for higher capacity. But many look for the best price, and the 8gb will still be cheaper than the 16gb

The thing is I know I'm not going to fill up the 8gb (or closer to 5.5 to 6) because I use google music and dropbox/drive. The only things I would have on it would be apps and photos. I do have the $50 but I would rather put it towards either the wireless charger or a portable charger. I guess I am just not convinced to get the 16 yet. I sound like a woman haha

Robert_W said:
there will always he a higher demand for higher capacity. But many look for the best price, and the 8gb will still be cheaper than the 16gb
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This is very true, you get a thanks for that!

ctowne said:
The thing is I know I'm not going to fill up the 8gb (or closer to 5.5 to 6) because I use google music and dropbox/drive. The only things I would have on it would be apps and photos. I do have the $50 but I would rather put it towards either the wireless charger or a portable charger. I guess I am just not convinced to get the 16 yet. I sound like a woman haha
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I can understand but . . . . do you know how many times I've said "oh, I'll never use XXX much space". On computers, phones, iPod, etc. And the one time it happens that you need just a LITTLE more space, you will be be pissed at yourself. I think someone said that in the 8 GB model, only like 5.5 GBs are actually usable. Maybe you get bored of stock android and you want to start switching ROMs. Maybe you use Google Music but you'd like one of your favorite playlists to save to the phone so you don't have to stream it, who knows.
I really would use the extra $50 for the 16. I'd also wait a little for the charging orb thing. If it really catches on it is my experience that all sorts of smart people will start manufacturing cheaper clones that are just as good.

Sounds to me like someone has already made their decision long ago and only made this thread to burn time until launch.

Take a look at what the 8gb n7 is going for now that they restructured the pricing with release of the 32gb. Some people are pissed they are loosing their arses on it.

MN_Bug said:
I can understand but . . . . do you know how many times I've said "oh, I'll never use XXX much space". On computers, phones, iPod, etc. And the one time it happens that you need just a LITTLE more space, you will be be pissed at yourself. I think someone said that in the 8 GB model, only like 5.5 GBs are actually usable. Maybe you get bored of stock android and you want to start switching ROMs. Maybe you use Google Music but you'd like one of your favorite playlists to save to the phone so you don't have to stream it, who knows.
I really would use the extra $50 for the 16. I'd also wait a little for the charging orb thing. If it really catches on it is my experience that all sorts of smart people will start manufacturing cheaper clones that are just as good.
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You are making very good points and making me even more torn between the two, if that was even possible..

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Take a look at what the 8gb n7 is going for now that they restructured the pricing with release of the 32gb. Some people are pissed they are loosing their arses on it.
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Also a valid point. We very well could see a 32gb version in a few months.

ctowne said:
Also a valid point. We very well could see a 32gb version in a few months.
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If the 16GB becomes $300, I can wait

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Also a valid point. We very well could see a 32gb version in a few months.
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Maybe, the Galaxy Nexus never saw a 32 (the actual Google phone), but the N7 did. I wouldn't bet much that we'll see an N4 with 32 GBs.

I think I'll go for the 8 unless someone really convinces me otherwise. And hey if it's not enough i'll sell it and buy the 16 while its still fresh on the market. Also, if they do in fact come out with a white one I would be interested to see what it would look like.

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I think I'll go for the 8 unless someone really convinces me otherwise. And hey if it's not enough i'll sell it and buy the 16 while its still fresh on the market. Also, if they do in fact come out with a white one I would be interested to see what it would look like.
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Darnit, I thought I was so close to convincing you! :angel:

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Darnit, I thought I was so close to convincing you! :angel:
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Haha you did a very good job! "A" for effort. I just feel like phone manufacturers charge ridiculous amounts for extra storage. The 16 probably costs LG/Google less than $15 extra from the 8. That's probably overshooting it too. You can get an 8 gig micro sd for practically nothing nowadays.

The 8GB N7 was $200, and many people would only offer $140-$160 for it as of recently. I think I'll be going 16GB this time around with the N4 though; hopefully it won't be discontinued too quickly

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The 8GB N7 was $200, and many people would only offer $140-$160 for it as of recently. I think I'll be going 16GB this time around with the N4 though; hopefully it won't be discontinued too quickly
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why would it be discontinued?

I think a lot of what you can get for a slightly used Nexus 4 be it 8GB or 16GB will depend on how soon you want to sell it. Also it will depend on if Google sells out at some point.

[Q] Real Available storage only 8.82GB?

I just read in geek.com there are only 8.82Gb of internal user available space in the siny S4.
I would like to find out if this true for all versions and countries or if this is some carrier's wrongdoing.
I have not received my own S4, so I cannot speak for myself yet, but if you guys can confirm this, I am going to reconsider upgrading to the i9505 16gb.
I know we can use microSD cards, but it is not the same for many apps that need lots of space (GPS navigation, some fat games....)

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I just read in geek.com there are only 8.82Gb of internal user available space in the siny S4.
I would like to find out if this true for all versions and countries or if this is some carrier's wrongdoing.
I have not received my own S4, so I cannot speak for myself yet, but if you guys can confirm this, I am going to reconsider upgrading to the i9505 16gb.
I know we can use microSD cards, but it is not the same for many apps that need lots of space (GPS navigation, some fat games....)
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I was in an AT&T store yesterday and looked at available storage. It was about 9.3 or so. I was pretty shocked as well.

Android is becoming a teenager lol hes growing like a weed. Get the 32gb version if it isnt enough for you.

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Android is becoming a teenager lol hes growing like a weed. Get the 32gb version if it isnt enough for you.
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Because the android rom are almost 2-3gb and pre apps...

dong2007 said:
Because the android rom are almost 2-3gb and pre apps...
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Well, my 16GB S3 (i9300) came with 11,25 user partition, but in the S4 it is 78% of that. It is a big reduction;
I would be a little less concerned if I could buy the 32 or 64gb versions today, but, at least for now, I have not seen them available anywhere.
Since they are charging even more for the S4 than they did for the S3 on launch day (699€ vs. 659€) and now storage is even cheaper, reducing the user available storage to nearly half of the advertised capacity (16gb) is outrageous.
I even could get the i9300 with a direct 10% discount (which brings it to 593€) and a 50€ gift card on launch day; This time, the best offer I could find was 70€ worth of accesories. So, less storage one year later for more money, that is what upsets me, such a great device with a cheap mistake. It is simply silly!
I would like to hear from others who already have their carrier-free S4 to enlighten us.

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Well, my 16GB S3 (i9300) came with 11,25 user partition, but in the S4 it is 78% of that. It is a big reduction;
I would be a little less concerned if I could buy the 32 or 64gb versions today, but, at least for now, I have not seen them available anywhere.
Since they are charging even more for the S4 than they did for the S3 on launch day (699€ vs. 659€) and now storage is even cheaper, reducing the user available storage to nearly half of the advertised capacity (16gb) is outrageous.
I even could get the i9300 with a direct 10% discount (which brings it to 593€) and a 50€ gift card on launch day; This time, the best offer I could find was 70€ worth of accesories. So, less storage one year later for more money, that is what upsets me, such a great device with a cheap mistake. It is simply silly!
I would like to hear from others who already have their carrier-free S4 to enlighten us.
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Why are you so nervous about the 8-9gb? the are more than enough. U can always buy a 32 or 64Gb Sd Card.

dong2007 said:
Why are you so nervous about the 8-9gb? the are more than enough. U can always buy a 32 or 64Gb Sd Card.
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I am not nervous:
copilot live (europe maps): 2.2GB
Sonic4 episode 2: 386MB
nfs: most wanted, 1.89GB
google translator: 0.98GB
Real Racing 3: 1,17Gb
Dropbox: 155Mb
Google Currents: 145Mb
Asphalt7 1,61Gb
These are apps which decide is wiser to use internal storage despite having a 64Gb card installed. Since no sd card can solve this, this is the Samsung flagship and the rivals are learning, it is absurd to have 8.8gb whith the phone brand new if they say 16GB.
Maybe Apple can get away with those kind of things, but look at what happened to HTC with their Desire (and other models) when they made the same mistake!
They can make the best device in the world, but if this is true for carrier-free phones, I believe it is a huge mistake in 700€. Not because it means is the end of the world, but because it can be a real burden, because they chose to save 20$ in the BIM in a device they are selling for 700€.
I understand the want bigger margins but they should know better.

runaway64 said:
I am not nervous:
copilot live (europe maps): 2.2GB
Sonic4 episode 2: 386MB
nfs: most wanted, 1.89GB
google translator: 0.98GB
Real Racing 3: 1,17Gb
Dropbox: 155Mb
Google Currents: 145Mb
Asphalt7 1,61Gb
These are apps which decide is wiser to use internal storage despite having a 64Gb card installed. Since no sd card can solve this, this is the Samsung flagship and the rivals are learning.
Maybe Apple can get away with those kind of things, but look at what happened to HTC with their Desire (and other models) when they made the same mistake!
They can make the best device in the world, but if this is true for carrier-free phones, I believe it is a huge mistake in 700€. Not because it means is the end of the world, but because it can be a real burden, because they chose to save 20$ in the BIM in a device they are selling for 700€.
I understand the want bigger margins but they should know better.
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You can move most of your apps/games to your Sdcard.
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it is absurd to have 8.8gb whith the phone brand new if they say 16GB
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I´m agree with you, but this is are classic trick. Try to check Usb sticks and SSD/HDD

dong2007 said:
You can move most of your apps/games to your Sdcard.
I´m agree with you, but this is are classic trick. Try to check Usb sticks and SSD/HDD
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You have to root now to move to sd

yeap same issue here. I even went to Samsung store and asked to guys like, it is supposed to be 16 gb not 8 gb, they said like: you know it's the OS and other stuff, even iPhone 5 have same kind of thing, so it's not really an issue.
I was quite shocked also

MopHeadGeek said:
You have to root now to move to sd
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Not with JB?

dong2007 said:
Not with JB?
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Sorry not with jelly bean not sure want you meant I'm rather tired so might not be reading it right
you have to root anything over android 4.1 to get it to work

bonjurkes said:
yeap same issue here. I even went to Samsung store and asked to guys like, it is supposed to be 16 gb not 8 gb, they said like: you know it's the OS and other stuff, even iPhone 5 have same kind of thing, so it's not really an issue.
I was quite shocked also
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sure but i phone os is only 1.5gb ...

bonjurkes said:
they said like: you know it's the OS and other stuff, even iPhone 5 have same kind of thing, so it's not really an issue.
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iPhone5 and storage: Exactly, they charge 100€/100$ more for each capacity doubling they offer and they get away... (but WE do not want an iPhone for things like that.
We like Samsung Galaxy among other things because they have expandable storage and removable battery.
But we shall not depend on rooting and tricks to get the capacity they were advertising.
In a side note, this not the same as a reported capacity in a USB drive or HDD: That is the loss inherent to file systems, spare area -where aplied- and 1000->1024 naming conventions. We suffer that in smartphones, tablets and iphones, that is NOT what I want to draw attention to.
I would like to find out which is the capacity in the unbranded carrier-free Galaxy S4, since I am waiting for my unit to come.
It seems to me it can be a deal breaker.

Spending about $20 on a 32gig MicroSD card isn't that big of a deal, i'd just keep that 8gigs for apps.

JUST ROOT
and use
FOLDERMOUNT to save to sd ​

Rooting to move apps to SD card is not the solution as many apps wont work if they detect device rooted. And why should we mess with a £500-600 phone like this. We didnt create the issue, Samsung and Google did.
rooting doesn't take care of app caches like Google Play etc..
The only proper solution is the 32gb or 64gb but these are not being sold readily. BTW the 32gb has about 23gb free. The UK S4 has 9.6gb free.

runaway64 said:
iPhone5 and storage: Exactly, they charge 100€/100$ more for each capacity doubling they offer and they get away... (but WE do not want an iPhone for things like that.
We like Samsung Galaxy among other things because they have expandable storage and removable battery.
But we shall not depend on rooting and tricks to get the capacity they were advertising.
In a side note, this not the same as a reported capacity in a USB drive or HDD: That is the loss inherent to file systems, spare area -where aplied- and 1000->1024 naming conventions. We suffer that in smartphones, tablets and iphones, that is NOT what I want to draw attention to.
I would like to find out which is the capacity in the unbranded carrier-free Galaxy S4, since I am waiting for my unit to come.
It seems to me it can be a deal breaker.
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8.3 gb for unbranded carrier-free S4. Built in Samsung and other apps (Flipboard, Chrome et etc) takes 600 mb. So it's like 8.3 GB - 600 mb free to use

Nexus 9 Performance

I can't wait to see full support for 64 bit processors.. I feel the Nexus 9 should perform better.. Something tells me the OS and apps are not fully 64bit compliant yet. Any thoughts..? How has performance been for the rest of you guys/gals..?
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maconsultant said:
I can't wait to see full support for 64 bit processors.. I feel the Nexus 9 should perform better.. Something tells me the OS and apps are not fully 64bit compliant yet. Any thoughts..? How has performance been for the rest of you guys/gals..?
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This is one of the main reasons why I am returning mine, what's the point? It'll be quite some time before we see full support for 64 bit processors. We're paying this high of a price NOW for a tablet that the OS isn't even optimized for. That's the difference between apple and google, iOS is built around the hardware and for a limited amount of products; whereas android is built for a large variety of devices so it never really can be optimized for a specific tablet or phone because it has to cater to so many different devices with different specs.
Android should be flawless on a nexus device, after all a nexus device is supposed to set the tone and be an example of what android is.....too bad, because that is not the case with the n9.
Fwiw, I think the n9 is nice and all, got a lot of love for it but for what I paid for my 32gb n9 I expected more. I could live with a lil light bleeding and some recessed buttons but the lack of optimization and the battery life is unforgiving at this price. I bought the n9 to find out that maybe down the line at some point it will become the product I though that I was purchasing in the first place, if that makes any sense.
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^^^ this ^^^^

Yeah I'm debating the return myself.. It does not perform the way it should. Question is will they ever optimize the OS for it...?
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May i find out the areas which you feel the OS is not optimized? Is it the battery life?

When playing music or YouTube the tablet stutters and exhibits pops and clicks in the audio. It may just be the software is not optimized.. But for $600 it damm well should be. Given the way google handles things they could very well move on to the next thing and were left holding the bag.
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Chyeo1979 said:
May i find out the areas which you feel the OS is not optimized? Is it the battery life?
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Battery life should be better, don't get me wrong it's OK, I get may 7 hours but at this price 12 hours should be that norm. My n9 should not stutter, this thing is fast and you can tell....its sad but its kinda reminds me of touchwiz, the way it holds back Samsung's great hardware. Another thing that has bothered me is why no 3gb of ram? They are charging us a pretty penny and skimping on specs, the n9 is a ram hog. Right now with just the XDA app running usage is over 60% which is ridiculous.
At this price point you have to compare it to the iPad mini and or airs, apple just does so much of a better job all around. Apple has set the standard for what a high-end tablet should be and perform and the n9 comes close but it's not there yet. Had they added micro SD, I could overlook some things but this is a Nexus and we are too "dumb" to use a micro SD card. Its a great tablet but not at the price Google is charging, people are going to keep complaining because they expect more (as they should) for their money.
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3dupunk said:
Battery life should be better, don't get me wrong it's OK, I get may 7 hours but at this price 12 hours should be that norm. My n9 should not stutter, this thing is fast and you can tell....its sad but its kinda reminds me of touchwiz, the way it holds back Samsung's great hardware. Another thing that has bothered me is why no 3gb of ram? They are charging us a pretty penny and skimping on specs, the n9 is a ram hog. Right now with just the XDA app running usage is over 60% which is ridiculous.
At this price point you have to compare it to the iPad mini and or airs, apple just does so much of a better job all around. Apple has set the standard for what a high-end tablet should be and perform and the n9 comes close but it's not there yet. Had they added micro SD, I could overlook some things but this is a Nexus and we are too "dumb" to use a micro SD card. Its a great tablet but not at the price Google is charging, people are going to keep complaining because they expect more (as they should) for their money.
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Agreed with what you said, except my battery life is only about 5hrs as I mostly surf on browser. Coming from an old iPad 2, this is one of my biggest disappointment. No tablet should have <8hrs SOT for normal usage to me. And as if not bad enough, the battery charging rate is almost the same or slower than the draining rate. What's Google doing!!
I'm ok with no SD card, but feel Google should give 64gb storage and 3g ram too.
Only things that's keeping me are lollipop, the tablet size/design and my refusal to go back to iOS.

64gb storage, 3gb ram, Qi charging by default and OPTIMIZE LOLLIPOP FOR 64BIT ARCHITECTURE.!
As it stands now this thing is not optimized for the hardware.
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I am let down by 32 Gig only but I cope.
Put only what I need on the tablet (and a bit extra), the rest.... use the cloud.
My Note 3 has 3 Gig RAM and the Nexus 9 does not .... hard time explaining that but this is not Google' s choice, Google does not make the tablet.
Did people spend $800, $900 on this?
I did not I find the price ok.
I believe it will not take years to see 64bit apps, it will take months. (I can wait)

AstroDigital said:
I am let down by 32 Gig only but I cope.
Put only what I need on the tablet (and a bit extra), the rest.... use the cloud.
My Note 3 has 3 Gig RAM and the Nexus 9 does not .... hard time explaining that but this is not Google' s choice, Google does not make the tablet.
Did people spend $800, $900 on this?
I did not I find the price ok.
I believe it will not take years to see 64bit apps, it will take months. (I can wait)
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Hmm, how can it not be Google's choice. Google can't be telling HTC "Make me a tablet any way you like" right?

HTC makes Nexus 9, not Google.
I am sure Google has the say about the OS but not sure about the hardware.
2 Gig annoyed me but I am a big boy and said well it is still a Nexus device.... I will go for it.

AstroDigital said:
I am let down by 32 Gig only but I cope.
Put only what I need on the tablet (and a bit extra), the rest.... use the cloud.
My Note 3 has 3 Gig RAM and the Nexus 9 does not .... hard time explaining that but this is not Google' s choice, Google does not make the tablet.
Did people spend $800, $900 on this?
I did not I find the price ok.
I believe it will not take years to see 64bit apps, it will take months. (I can wait)
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522 in NYC after taxes, that's iPad money, I expect an iPad like experience. I'm not about putting up with bs at this price point, I shouldn't have to wait for optimization. Its acceptable to you and I understand that but it isn't to me, these companies want to let out inefficient devices and or products and we are the ones who have to deal with it? Negative, not this time.
AstroDigital said:
HTC makes Nexus 9, not Google.
I am sure Google has the say about the OS but not sure about the hardware.
2 Gig annoyed me but I am a big boy and said well it is still a Nexus device.... I will go for it.
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Google is the one that designs, sets the specs and tells HTC what to build it isn't the other way around. HTC is just a subcontractor that deals with manufacturing. The way you're putting it is like google is doing what HTC wants and google had no say in the hardware....are you kidding me? google is the one with all the leverage here, no disrespect but you make no sense from a business point of view.
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Cant wait for a review on this.

The 2GB RAM is most likely because nvidia wouldn't provide them with a TK1 SoC variant with more ram than that.

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Google is the one that designs, sets the specs and tells HTC what to build it isn't the other way around. HTC is just a subcontractor that deals with manufacturing. The way you're putting it is like google is doing what HTC wants and google had no say in the hardware....are you kidding me? google is the one with all the leverage here, no disrespect but you make no sense from a business point of view.
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You are the one that makes no sense, but believe what you may.
There is no way a software company goes to any hardware company and says to them ..... build it like this or else.
I worked for hardware manufacturer and it is always a compromise the customer says they want this, the company says too expensive we can do this.
The customer then says how about this, the manufacturer...
Continues to they get a compromise both sides can live with.
I know because this was part of my job.
Got a Smartwatch 3 you think maybe Google went to Sony and said Sony add no heart rate sensor .... or else?
You think they went to Motorola and they owned Motorola at the time and ordered them to use obsolete processors?
The original question is about performance and I answered It I am happy enough.
You want to believe Google went to HTC and says this is what we want you build of else.... what do I care?
Stay on topic.
I am happy with the performance as is
When there are more apps written for the 64 bit Tegra it will smoke everything else...... I my own opinion

AstroDigital said:
You are the one that makes no sense, but believe what you may.
There is no way a software company goes to any hardware company and says to them ..... build it like this or else.
I worked for hardware manufacturer and it is always a compromise the customer says they want this, the company says too expensive we can do this.
The customer then says how about this, the manufacturer...
Continues to they get a compromise both sides can live with.
I know because this was part of my job.
Got a Smartwatch 3 you think maybe Google went to Sony and said Sony add no heart rate sensor .... or else?
You think they went to Motorola and they owned Motorola at the time and ordered them to use obsolete processors?
The original question is about performance and I answered It I am happy enough.
You want to believe Google went to HTC and says this is what we want you build of else.... what do I care?
Stay on topic.
I am happy with the performance as is
When there are more apps written for the 64 bit Tegra it will smoke everything else...... I my own opinion
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You are leaving out one important thing and that is that HTC is in no position of power, they are declining across the board. They need google more than Goole needs them so to think that google had no say in the hardware is absolutely asinine. HTC told Google we're making it like this or kick rocks....PLEASE! You proved my point in stating that it is a compromise, meaning google had to make a decision and they obviously did. I agree with that statement but you made it seem like htc tells google what they are doing point blank and google says yes HTC. HTC can't build the n9 without google signing off on the product as I'm sure you are aware of so google had the final say.
I'm done.
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I want to believe this.. I was telling myself things are not optimized for the chip and architecture and it will get better. They only thing left is the light bleed I see.
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AstroDigital said:
HTC makes Nexus 9, not Google.
I am sure Google has the say about the OS but not sure about the hardware.
2 Gig annoyed me but I am a big boy and said well it is still a Nexus device.... I will go for it.
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If it's anything like the Nexus 7, then Google Engineers worked with HTC engineers to design the Nexus 9. But at the end the Nexus is a Google product and they are the ones with the final say in how the hardware is designed.
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/mo...ned-the-google-nexus-7-in-four-months-1089680

So will this rumored 5.1 update slated to hit first quarter 2015 be some TLC for this tablet..?
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