Screencap from router shows how slow on my AC network at 5G compared to my other phone (Moto X Pure Edition):
(yes, it's weird that MXPE is labeled 'Lenovo' and actual Lenovo G5+ isn't, but I also confirmed by MAC addresses)
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I'd appreciate hearing from any others having a similar issue. But also if you're not and are getting comparable speeds to your other wifi devices. That way I'll know whether to return for a hopefully normal replacement, or if it's more widespread maybe just return and forget it. Thanks.
Edit 1 - phone is still totally stock, btw, XT1687 60GB/4GB RAM no-ads $299 version from Amazon.
Edit 2 - According to specs on Motorola's site it only does 802.11 N and not AC, so 150 Mbps may be all it'll do. The Pure got close to 300 full speed on my previous N network though. I do like everything else about the G5 Plus so far, just expected even mid-range phones would handle AC + dual band by now.
I think moto g5 only support 2.4 Ghz (5 Ghz is optional in 802.11n specs) so theoretical 150 Mbps is max. In reality the moto g5 will probably never break 100 Mbps...
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I think moto g5 only support 2.4 Ghz (5 Ghz is optional in 802.11n specs) so theoretical 150 Mbps is max. In reality the moto g5 will probably never break 100 Mbps...
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According to GSMArena both G5 and G5 Plus support dual band N, and also Motorola's US site for G5 Plus (G5 not is US).
On 5 GHz mine is getting 150 Mbps tops, and 72 on 2.4 GHz. My Moto XPE got 300/144 as tops on my former N router, so I wonder if others are maybe getting that on their G5 Plus on different equipment, or if 150 is the absolute best it can do. On my AC router the MXPE gets 866 Mbps (I think that's tops) but my Acer laptop only gets 433 (still a great speed), so go figure.
You are right it does support dual channel. So maybe 40 MHz channel bonding isn't enabled by default? This would explain why you speed is half of the mxpe
Same problem here on my Indian variant of G5 plus (4+32GB). Haven't done anything with it yet, completely stock. The first two days were good, could touch 22 mbps (yeah, that's quite a big deal in India ) but now it only goes upto 5 mbps whereas other devices show 22 mbps now also. Help would be appreciated.
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According to GSMArena both G5 and G5 Plus support dual band N, and also Motorola's US site for G5 Plus (G5 not is US).
On 5 GHz mine is getting 150 Mbps tops, and 72 on 2.4 GHz. My Moto XPE got 300/144 as tops on my former N router, so I wonder if others are maybe getting that on their G5 Plus on different equipment, or if 150 is the absolute best it can do. On my AC router the MXPE gets 866 Mbps (I think that's tops) but my Acer laptop only gets 433 (still a great speed), so go figure.
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Same, I have 3x3 5ghz and 2.4ghz on my router and my speeds almost mirror your's..150 on A and 78 on 2.4ghz N. My Galaxy S5 connects at 866 on the same network.
My home internet is 200 Mbit and I can only get about 98 on the Moto G5+, it's a disappointment but I like the phone otherwise enough to look over it...but it's almost enough to spend that $35 restock fee Best Buy charges.
My S5 seems snappier at doing Internet related activities due to it being capable of pulling down the full 200Mbit. The battery life of the G5+ is insanely good likely in part due to this.
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Does anyone know what is the maximum HSDPA speed on th TyTN? 1.5 or 7.2 mbits?
Thanks
1.5mb. That is the max speed for the chip in the tytn.
I thought the protocol of first generation was 1.8Mbps.
Second gen. is 3.6Mbit/s
HSDPA - theoretical vs actual
Yes, the theoretical speeds are 1.8 Mbps, 3.6 Mbps, 7.2 Mbps, 14.4 Mbps download speed for HSDPA. Of course the emphasis here is on "theoretical" assuming ideal environment, no other users, sufficient backhaul capacity, proximity to base station etc. The next generation, HSUPA will support faster upload speeds as well, also in multiples of 1.8 Mbps.
The Hermes supports, again theoretically, 1.8 Mbps download speed based on HSDPA. HTC Kaiser is expected to support HSUPA as well, but not sure at what bandwidth.
Practical speeds I've seen on my Dopod 838 Pro range from 650 - 850 kbps most of the times, with very rare peaks of 1.1 Mbps max. Plentiful in any case ...
Some interesting bits on HSxPA market adoption and trends here http://www.gsacom.com/.
Indeed it comes down to theory. However the point of the question was how fast the Tytn can be.
The point is that is not the chip that dictates the speed but the protocol that "chip" is usibg. You know just to continue the whole chip metaphor.
I myself have never reached anything over 500kbps... ever. But remember that no one is ever going to hit 1.8mbps due to packets and the way info is transferred through the architecture.
Wikipedia has some interesting breakdown of all the technologies.
I've seen 1.2mbps on my laptop through HSDPA here in Brum (whilst using the phone as a wireless modem) - once you let the device settle down, leave it in one place, it gets pretty decent speeds. It's VERY picky about where I have it in my room though, because the house kills all the 3G signal. In town, it's fine, but the handset's CPU just slows everything down anyway.
Most I've ever seen is a peak of 1.28Mbps, I've seen regular near-500kbps upload speeds though! Which is very nice. @ agovinoveritas - sounds like you're not HSDPA-enabled, you're just surfing at regular 3G speeds (576kbps, iirc?)... You tried ringing up your network operator and blagging HSDPA off them?
^^^^^^ Here in Canada, they have only "soft" released it. Basically what that means is that since most people here are not very tech savvy, the providers announces HSDPA to be available but they are still testing it. Just to show you how cheesy that is, they have not even released any HSDPA enabled devices yet. Just a Sierra Aircard, and since the amount of people out of the general population who would use just a Sierra aircard is minuscule you can see where they are going with this....
They get PR points for releasing the technology first even though they do not give anyone any phones to go along with it. For those of use WHO HAVE hsdpa devices, if we call, the CSRs either do not know what the hell they are talking about or they will use the "we do not support your handset" cheat out.
I've peaked just above 800kbit on the Hermes so far. Same as what I get with my Treo 750v + HSDPA hack.
On my Cingular 8525 the fastest I've got is about 800kbps.
1.2mbps here. Thing is my device doesnt show its connected to HSDPA?!?
Both the icon and fieldtest_157 dont show that im connected!? (this is during a download)
hsupa firmware
the upgrade from umts to hsdpa was made possible in the samsung chip on the treo 750 via a firmware upgrade, maybe it is possible to firmware upgrade to hsupa
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the upgrade from umts to hsdpa was made possible in the samsung chip on the treo 750 via a firmware upgrade, maybe it is possible to firmware upgrade to hsupa
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for the hermes no it is not
HSUPA reqyires a different chipset ( QC 7200 ). Hermes cannot be upgraded
UPA basic will be available this June in the USA. The full featured HSUPA is not ready yet.
just wanted to say that here in little old denmark i get speed between 170-180 Kb\s translated thats about 1.4 mbit.. and very stable must be close to a good station as for upload i get the full 384 kbps
ive gotten 1333
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just wanted to say that here in little old denmark i get speed between 170-180 Kb\s translated thats about 1.4 mbit.. and very stable must be close to a good station as for upload i get the full 384 kbps
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In Australia on Telstra you get about 1.2 Mbps - 1.4 Mbps.
Hmm well considering you are paying through the nose for data if you are wish Telstra than I'd say a "lowly" 800kbit is better than 1.4mbit.
$79.95 for 1GB? No thank you. I'm happy with 1GB data + unlimited email + other stuff for $30
^^^^ I trump you! $50 (CAD) for UNLIMITED.
Just last month I downloaded over 2gigs!!!!
Yeah, I am the biggest geek on this hill.
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In Australia on Telstra you get about 1.2 Mbps - 1.4 Mbps.
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when your close to a tower and not in a building...
What all speed are you guys connected at? Apparently it's supposed to be a Wireless-N capable chip in the TF, correct?
I am only achieving a link speed of 72Mbps. But it feels much much slower when transferring large files... or, is it my imagination?
It only has 2.4 ghz N not 5 ghz N. 5 ghz N goes up to 300 mbps, 2.4 tops out at 130 mbps.
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Thanks. Then I am still not achieving that speed (130mbps). I'm only getting 72. Wonder what is up with that.
same here @72. i check to make sure i my router set only to N (i understand having it set to G/N will cause the speed to get capped even lower, but nope, it's pure n)
I don't need a signature.
someone correct me if im wrong, but my understanding is that all devices in your network need to be "N" capable in order to achieve close to maximum speeds. If you have a laptop running on g' then by default your network run on g speeds.
Not sure if this might be the case here
I know my Linksys can transmit two different wireless signals. One signal is on "B/G" mode and the other signal is on pure "N" mode. Still it only connects at 72MBPS
The transformer and Android devices in general seem to be a bit slow in transferring large files. It might be do to smaller packet sized, inefficiencies in the Wifi stack, filesystem, or other factors. I think any reasonable rate of Wifi link speed is going to suffice. I do not detect much of a difference in actually throughput as I move through the house and the Link speed changes.
Yup. 72Mbps here too on a Linksys e2000 running dd-wrt. Same on my HTC Desire.
Ok, who wants to start the class action lawsuit for false advertising?
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Ok, who wants to start the class action lawsuit for false advertising?
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You'd need to sue an entire industry or two for every tech product ever produced.
I was wandering the same thing...no -n connection...but my laptop connects fine
I think you should get started on looking at lawyers. We will be right behind you.
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You'd need to sue an entire industry or two for every tech product ever produced.
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Interesting that others are getting 72Mbps. I can't get more than 65Mbps, regardless of whether my network is configured for BGN or N only. That's with the tablet as close as two feet from the router, and no other networks visible (low density residential area, so likely not too much interference). Tried standard (20Mhz) and wide (40Mhz) channels, as well. Signal strength shows as excellent, but nothing gets me above 65Mbps.
That said, speed seems fine to me. Range could be better, my laptop will happily pick up wifi for almost double the distance of my Transformer, but inside the house it works pretty reasonably anywhere on either floor.
How is it false advertising? They said Wireless N, it supports wireless N. They never said it supports wireless N @ 300mbps .
EDIT: And before anyone tries to argue, no, Wireless N connection classification just says up to 300mbps supported, not that it has to be 300mbps, it's a frequency not a speed classification.
Max speed is 65 . 6 FEET away from my dlink dir 655
Just having a bit of fun..... breathe... breathe...
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How is it false advertising? They said Wireless N, it supports wireless N. They never said it supports wireless N @ 300mbps .
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What all speed are you guys connected at? Apparently it's supposed to be a Wireless-N capable chip in the TF, correct?
I am only achieving a link speed of 72Mbps. But it feels much much slower when transferring large files... or, is it my imagination?
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Sadley yes, the transformer is only able to achieve 72Mbps wireless N speeds
In a previous thread i started (Here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1068468)
In short Wireless N gets its major speed increase from using multiple channels (MIMO) and the increase in bandwidth between channels 20 Mhz or 40 Mhz
There is no difference in speeds between 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz, 5Ghz is ideal due to the least amount of interference in that RF spectrum but the downside is that 5Ghz does not go as far as 2.4Ghz
Anyways
Here is a chart for reference
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Wireless N Link speeds are usually organized by the MCS Index number in FCC documents, and in the FCC documents for the Transformer it maxed at MCS7 index which is 72.2 Mbps (20mhz channel width, 1 MIMO stream)
MCS Index Chart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_N#Data_rates
FCC Reports: See SAR Report 1 of 4
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...ame=N&application_id=434077&fcc_id='MSQTF101'
We wont know for sure what a firmware update might fix, which i doubt that is a solution for it anyway, i think its a hardware limitation, but just need to confirm the WLAN chip on the transformer
The FCC documents state its a Murata LBEH19UQJC, but in the various files in the transformer it has clues to suspect its a Broadcom chip, we need a full teardown!!
Overall, the transformer could have seen higher speeds if
A: It allowed a 40 Mhz Channel instead of 20 Mhz
B: It included a 2nd antenna
For some routers like my dlink dir-655 you need to configure to wpa2 and aes and auto channel to get 300mb/s connections.
Sitting within a few feet of my router (Linksys E2000, 802.11n), I am geting 9000 Kbps down and 2000 Kbps up. We're on Comcast Blast!(16000/2000).
Speed means battery drain, so most mobile devices support 802.11n and doing a big step forward in speed,but the standard it self allows 600 MBits in 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz. Most mobile devices suppport only low MCS rates that max out in 72.2 MBits. Did you see an 600 MBit capable AP /router lately?
It is great to have 11n but even the ipad supports only one stream and 72 MBit. Even Cisco delivers in their enterprise gear only 300 MBits not 450 like some others. So be happy with the speed it got, i am sure that the CPU would not be able to handle more than that.
Hi. So I just got my Nexus 7 2013 version yesterday and I like it so far. But the things is, the Wi-Fi throughput speed I'm getting is much slower than my OG Nexus 7 (I usually get 10Mbps down, but on my new one it's down to 2-3Mbps). My router is the ASUS RT-AC66R with updated firmware, set to Wi-Fi N only. I tried resetting my N7 to the factory condition and still getting slower speed than my OG N7, disconnected all the wi-fi devices except it and I still get 2Mbps (I have a CIR from Comcast for 30mbps) Should I exchange this one for another one?
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There must be something wrong with your setup. I was pulling 50mbps last night.
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Doing a bandwidth test over your ISP will be bottlenecked by your ISP's connection. You really need to test by doing a local file transfer over your network.
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There must be something wrong with your setup. I was pulling 50mbps last night.
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Man, I wish I were getting that kind of speed. Anyway, my N7 2013 I'm connected to my 2.4Ghz network with the router set to auto channel, channel bandwidth set to 20&40 MHz whilst my N7 '13 has Wi-Fi optimization turned on and the channel set to Auto.
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Doing a bandwidth test over your ISP will be bottlenecked by your ISP's connection. You really need to test by doing a local file transfer over your network.
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On my iPod Touch 5G I'm getting at least 10mbps 2.4Ghz network on speedtest while getting 27Mbps on 5Ghz network...
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On my iPod Touch 5G I'm getting at least 10mbps 2.4Ghz network on speedtest while getting 27Mbps on 5Ghz network...
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Lol I get 80-90 megabits/sec on wifi in my AT&T LG Optimus G, basically N4 with an sd card slot since I run N4 roms on it with slight modifications to the kernel and blobs.
Not having any issues on mine. This is on the 2.4 GHz freq in my house. Didn't try the 5 GHz.
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No problems here. This is on 5 GHz.
Test Date: Aug 4, 2013 11:51:14 PM
Connection Type: Wifi
Server: Mooresville, NC
Download: 82.22 Mbps
Upload: 6.03 Mbps
Ping: 68
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Well, I just exchanged it with another 1. Well, I get a much better results even though I'm expecting a bit more. Anyway, I'm just gonna have to live with it and stick to 5GHz band since I'm getting at least 27 Mbps with my 3- Mbps Comcast plan.
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Well, I just exchanged it with another 1. Well, I get a much better results even though I'm expecting a bit more. Anyway, I'm just gonna have to live with it and stick to 5GHz band since I'm getting at least 27 Mbps with my 3- Mbps Comcast plan.
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I also tried turning off battery optimization and seemed to really help a lot I'm now getting 50 down
GS5 performs really well on Google Gigabit Fiber and Sprint tri-band. I'm getting up to 180Mbps on Google Fiber and around 40Mbps LTE indoors at home, though I'm just a few blocks from a cellsite. The first 3 results are on Google Gigabit Fiber in KC, the second three are Sprint Spark.
BTW, more on Google Fiber here...
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r29157624-Google-Fiber-Kansas-City
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Damn I'd crap my pants and cry at the same time if i ever had DL speeds that fast!
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GS5 performs really well on Google Gigabit Fiber and Sprint tri-band. I'm getting up to 180Mbps on Google Fiber and around 40Mbps LTE indoors at home, though I'm just a few blocks from a cellsite. The first 3 results are on Google Gigabit Fiber in KC, the second three are Sprint Spark.
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I don't understand, isn't google fiber just using your wifi? Do other phones have trouble downloading through your wifi or is the S5 performing differently?
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I don't understand, isn't google fiber just using your wifi? Do other phones have trouble downloading through your wifi or is the S5 performing differently?
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Just showing the max the WiFi on this phone can do. In comparison, a Nexus 7 (2013) can do about 100Mbps, the N7 (2012) and Galaxy S3 and can do about 25-40. I suspect most SnapDragon 801 devices would be over 150Mbps as well, not sure.
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Just showing the max the WiFi on this phone can do. In comparison, a Nexus 7 (2013) can do about 100Mbps, the N7 (2012) and Galaxy S3 and can do about 25-40. I suspect most SnapDragon 801 devices would be over 150Mbps as well, not sure.
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Interesting - I've never paid attention to Wifi performance and was not aware performance varied greatly between devices. Thanks for sharing.
Good to know the wifi speeds are that high. This is my fastest speed on band 41 so far
Yeah. I'd crap my pants if I had Google Fiber... Wow.
I wish my phone would actually use band 41. Ive seen Spark speeds a whopping once. The rest of the time I see my awesome 3-4mb down.
Josh dew on youtube got his S5 to mid 800s download speeds using Google fiber.
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Josh dew on youtube got his S5 to mid 800s download speeds using Google fiber.
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Which must be BS because WiFi won't do that fast lol.
These phones MAX at 866Mbps IF you have a AC router and happen to be close enough.
That said, WiFi has roughly 40% overhead so the best you could even imagine to ever see on this phone would be around the 500Mbps mark.
FWIW the speedtest app isn't dead accurate in itself.
It often times shows my speed faster vs. what I know my speed can do because I know exactly what my speed wall is and the upload on the phone generally overshoots it lol.
I'd be hard pressed to see you get gig through dual AC 1300Mbps routers even due to overhead.
They would be close but wired still wins.
I think for the OP the first thing would be what kind of router do you have, what band are you connected on and what was the link rate at time of test?
I bet the phone can do more but your wireless is the limit.
Houston
Please continue in the thread for dedicated Spark thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2720215
Like an increasing number of others I've 'cut the cord' and only use my mobile for internet access. I use USB tethering to share the data with my other devices through a router. I've done a few benchmarks to determine the USB tethering bandwidth and latency between my recently bought Oneplus 8 and it's tethered device. For testing purposes I connected it directly to my laptop and booted into Windows and Ubuntu. A few issues cropped up that I thought worth highlighting to determine what the underlying causes are, to see if there's anything that can be done to resolve them and to get results from others from there devices. Relatively high latencies were observed as were connectivity issues during high bandwidth throughput. Results as below
Latency (average of 100 pings, other devices added for comparison)
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The latency results shows that
The Oneplus 8 has around 3-5 times higher latency than the older and significantly lower specced Samsung XCover3 and Moto G6 Play.
The windows latency timings are around twice that of the Unbuntu timings for the Oneplus, the OS type had a minimal effect on the XCover 3 and no influence on the G6
USB3 adds another 0.5ms to the round trip times in both directions over USB2 for windows but has no influence when used under Ubuntu
The response times from the mobile devices are generally slower than the response times from the laptop
Given the push for 5G for higher bandwidth and lower latencies (when SA 5G NR is implemented at least) it's a step backward to have increased latency times on the user equipment. This will add to the overall latency. I'm interested in seeing what latency times other people are getting over USB tethering not just for the Oneplus 8 but for other makes and models too.
Bandwidth (measured using iperf3 server on the laptop and client on the Oneplus via USB3 average of 10 seconds)
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Upload
The iperf tests caused stability issues on the Oneplus 8 whilst using USB3. The USB interface would often crash and reset (confirmed via crash log in logcat). No stability issues were identified using USB2 or WiFi. USB2 bandwidth was maxed out so figures not included in the results. Max Wifi speeds were around 550Mbit/s using 5Ghz WiFi 5. I don't have another Wifi 6 device to test with.
The bandwidth results shows that
There's stability issues using USB3 when pushing bandwidth to the limit
Both download and uploads were faster in Ubuntu
Windows needed two parallel streams to attain top speed whereas in Ubuntu one was sufficient
In usage terms max download speeds (from the Oneplus to the laptop) averaged at 652Mbit/s and and upload speed max averaged out at 947Mbit/s. I don't know if this is a hardware or driver/software limit.
With 5G already hitting over 1Gbit/s the tethering bandwidth over USB3 is now the limiting factor. There's plenty of bandwidth available on the underlying USB3 protocol so its up to manufacturers to push the envelope. It's worth mentioning that Oneplus are still one of only a small selection of manufacturers that have implemented USB3 so this is worth commending. Most are still releasing phones restricted to USB2 speeds. I don't have another mobile with USB3 to test with for comparison. As with the latency findings I'm interested in seeing what results others are getting for USB3 tethering for both the Oneplus 8 and other devices.
App used for testing on the mobiles was Hurricane Electrics 'he.net Network Tools'
Well I jus got my OnePlus 8 thru Vzw 2days ago an must say deff impressed with speeds. Only walked out my front door an on ookla & Xfinity tests clocked over 100mb d.l. & round 8-10upload on only 4g.. I'd upload screen's but can't rem how too. Can't wait to see OnePlus 8 Vzw on 5g