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Foto's and Video's of the new Diamond

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Some Screenshots
Some Video's
Release of the Touch Diamond 2 at MWC 2009
Touch Diamond2 - Product Tour
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/first-hands-on-with-the-htc-touch-diamond2-with-video/
http://www.pocketinfo.nl/nieuws/pocketinfotv/12028/pocketinfotv-mwc2009-htc-touch-diamond-2-door-mark-moons-htc-benelux (Dutch)
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=3417
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJPc32Tn2tE&eurl=http://dailymobile.se/2009/02/19/video-htc-touch-diamond-2-hands-on/
http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/htc-touchflo-3d-ui-demonstration/14546500
Mobile 6.5 on Diamond 2

That's great to have all those pics in one place! D
BTW, do you have a picture of the other lateral side of the diamond 2? The one opposite to the volume up/down buttons?
I think that contrary to the HD, it is possible to access the microSD card without removing the back-cover (there is an external microsd slot), but I am not sure...

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HTC Touch Diamond vs HTC Touch Diamond 2 – size comparison

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gkai said:
That's great to have all those pics in one place! D
BTW, do you have a picture of the other lateral side of the diamond 2? The one opposite to the volume up/down buttons?
I think that contrary to the HD, it is possible to access the microSD card without removing the back-cover (there is an external microsd slot), but I am not sure...
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The slot that can be seen on that side of the phone is the grille for the speaker. The MicroSD slot is below it, and is not accessible without removing the cover

dazbert said:
The slot that can be seen on that side of the phone is the grille for the speaker. The MicroSD slot is below it, and is not accessible without removing the cover
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Thanks for the info, it is unfortunate but not too bad, I intend to buy a 16 Gb micrsd anyway so it is not like I will swap those everyday ;-)
Thickness comparison is very interesting, I wonder why such an increase of the bottom (cover) thickness, the frame seems to have remained more or less the same. If someone already have a physical TD2, it would be interesting to see the battery compartment compared to TD1, to see if the increase of size is more than what can be expected from the 900 mAh -> 1100 mAh transition. He he, I am already hoping for larger battery without changing the back cover ;-)
Given that the electronic is not likely to be larger than in TD1, and that the screen is also unlikely to be thicker, I have the feeling that a larger battery could have been fitted easily, maybe at the expense of weight but this is much less a problem than size/thickness imho...
Besides that, the screen seems more bluish compared to the yellowish TD1 screen....That's something I like

i think its step in the wrong direction from the old diamond in terms of external design
-the zoom bar just makes the phone bigger and its quite usless most of the time. having a smaller phone or a bigger 3.4" screen is much better.
-the old us diamond came with 1340mah even though its thinner and smaller

THE GRIZZ said:
i think its step in the wrong direction from the old diamond in terms of external design
-the zoom bar just makes the phone bigger and its quite usless most of the time. having a smaller phone or a bigger 3.4" screen is much better.
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I agree. Diamond2 is very ugly.

THE GRIZZ said:
i think its step in the wrong direction from the old diamond in terms of external design
-the zoom bar just makes the phone bigger and its quite usless most of the time. having a smaller phone or a bigger 3.4" screen is much better.
-the old us diamond came with 1340mah even though its thinner and smaller
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Agreed, the battery is too small, I smell an "extended" battery coming later (because it is more like the one included is reduced ;-) )
The zoom bar is no problematic, it is the dead space below the buttons that should be reduced. This, if smaller side borders are possible, would allow a screen .2'' bigger, and it would be the perfect screen size/ portability for me, as I find the TD2 size just right.
Dead space seems like a very bad design decision for devices where space on the front side is at a premium.

That's a very old ROM on the Diamond II...
looks like the early prototype ROM ...

ruffruff said:
That's a very old ROM on the Diamond II...
looks like the early prototype ROM ...
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Hehe, yes, I think it is a older prototype (the diamond in the wild ;-) ): look at the buttons: there is a home logo, which is replaced by the windows logo on the official pictures. Probably changed at the time the windows button requirement for WinMo6.5 was known...

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Hehe, yes, I think it is a older prototype (the diamond in the wild ;-) ): look at the buttons: there is a home logo, which is replaced by the windows logo on the official pictures. Probably changed at the time the windows button requirement for WinMo6.5 was known...
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Also, the zoom bar design has changed...and the metallic frame has a very "artisanal" look on the pics, it looks like it has been made manually or with a cruder stamping that the official model (the wild TD2 had much more squared edges, while the official one is more rounded and is cleaner/more regular)
Wow, this wild TD2 must have been an early prototype, like a concept phone ;-)

Hmm..I have to disagree.
I like the look of the new diamond. Looks a little more grown up and 'polished' if you will. As for the zoom bar, they needed something to replace the functionality of the D-Pad (which took up too much space IMHO) since Win Mo doesn't seem to support it natively. Dunno, I think it is an improvement.

Just perfect!
I like the design of the TD2 too and I think the Zoombar is very useful, using google maps etc. I took a look at it at the cebit two weeks ago and hold it in my hands - just brilliant! The way HTC combined the Aluminium and the plastic looks and feels very noble.
I'll take it
I just hope the Touch HD apps will work on the Diamond too and the processor will not lack!

Diamond 2 Without Scroll
Would have prefered no scroll pad on the face but on the sides of the device HTC Needs to make more use of the Gsensor in the UI Navigation and Digital TV - HTC Touch Media ???
Have pre ordered a Boring old Touch Diamond 2 for the 15th

I love the front design, and I do think we can do without the zoom bar. However, I find the back a real disappointment. The triangle surrounding the camera lens looks ugly, esp the fact that there's no facets like D1.
To top if off.. they had to use a glossy surface, which most of us would call it "the fingerprint magnet". It would have been better if they could go with the aluminium finish or matt black with symetrical design.
I wonder why such an increase of the bottom (cover) thickness, the frame seems to have remained more or less the same. If someone already have a physical TD2, it would be interesting to see the battery compartment compared to TD1, to see if the increase of size is more than what can be expected from the 900 mAh -> 1100 mAh transition. He he, I am already hoping for larger battery without changing the back cover ;-)
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gkai:
Don't forget that this guy has a microSD card, which causes it to be as thick as the D1+1340mAH battery. I would rather have a 8-16GB built in memory with much bigger battery.

HTC Touch Diamond2 - Launch Video and Product Tour video in HD
HTC Touch Diamond2 - Launch Video and Product Tour video in High Definition (HD):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj04rHHjbiw

I really like it too. I was thinking of upgrading in the next couple weeks but looks like I am going to have to wait a little longer until this is released. I just saw on another thread that t-mobile has redesigned it a little and it looks even better. It will be interesting to see what other carriers do with it before they release it. And if they are coming out with theirs in June I hope others aren't too far behind.

I think its very beautiful . . . but the TP2 is more beautiful IMO.

Does anybody know with wich backside it ships? I really hope it is the non-shining black one, and not the shiny one

[Q] is it just me or is the top bezel thicker than bottom (and other small worries)

I've been following the z2 eagerly, ever since the first leak and i had a fear that it it no longer symmetrical, i have done alot of analyzing of pictures and videos and it to me seems like the top bezel is EVER SO SLIGHTLY thicker than the bottom meaning theres no symmetry.
I have a ocd like obsession with design and symmetry, which is why i choose the z series since the first z, it also to me sadly seeme the z2 has been more rounded than the z1 which to me is a slight dissapointment.
Second off it seems both the back glass and the metal frame has gotten a bluish hue, from what i have seen i liked the z1's gun metal grey frame i don't understand why they changed it infact more black would be nice too, other videos show it in a more premium like silver which i like alot so it is hard to judge as many videos look different.
A positive thing is that it seems they got rid of that ugly plastic strip inside the metal frame that the z1 had, it ruined the design for that phone in my opinion and i adore the design of my z1 just hated that plastic.
other than these microscopic worries the phone seems to be my absolute dream phone inside and out.

I think its the SONY branding, sensors, camera and the black stripe of the speaker bar that gives the impression of a greater bezel up top.

Can't really tell you.
if you're really obsessed with symmetry, maybe you should bring a ruler when you about to buy it later

mujj said:
I think its the SONY branding, sensors, camera and the black stripe of the speaker bar that gives the impression of a greater bezel up top.
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heres the thing i took sonys official front press picture of the phone copied it put it next to the phone upside down it seems to check out
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zzcool said:
heres the thing i took sonys official front press picture of the phone copied it put it next to the phone upside down it seems to check out
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OH Yeah..I.....can....see.........................Nah..

Publicglutton said:
OH Yeah..I.....can....see.........................Nah..
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isn't it obvious unless i am completely wrong
that the bottom one is like 0.5 mm or so longer they would be completely centered with eachother as i flipped the phone unless i am completely missing something

Looks like it is. Can't say it's a problem though. Xperia Z was the same and I only noticed it after a few days...

zzcool said:
isn't it obvious unless i am completely wrong
that the bottom one is like 0.5 mm or so longer they would be completely centered with eachother as i flipped the phone unless i am completely missing something
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zz, Taking a longer much closer look at your example image of the bezel , I think your right , it's very tiny difference...but it's there .
It does not really bother me though, I'm much more OCD about keeping my phone in pristine condition, so as soon as I recieve mine it will be on with a front & back screen protector and case :silly:

Publicglutton said:
zz, Taking a longer much closer look at your example image of the bezel , I think your right , it's very tiny difference...but it's there .
It does not really bother me though, I'm much more OCD about keeping my phone in pristine condition, so as soon as I recieve mine it will be on with a front & back screen protector and case :silly:
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oh this is not what i wanted to know due to my obsession
and i am ocd about EVERYTHING i spent hours yesterday looking up pictures and videos comparing them to eachother to get the right look of the frame some pictures show it with a dark like blue which is ok other show it with a purple silver like hue which to me is a little on the girly side but i need to see myself before i judge the phone is so perfect that i am nitpicking the heck out of it
the other small tiny worry is that it seems they wen't back to the blue like black glass like the original z
i liked the blue like frame on the original z so chances are i'll like z2 aswell
but WHY would they touch the already perfect z1 design they only needed to add the thinner bezels speakers and screen and get rid of that plastic the design was perfect as it was
if they even dare putting XPERIA in big letters at the front on their next flagship then i won't even bother even trying to consider that it would entirely damage the phone beyond repair for me
the z1 was so perfect but i guess i can't expect them to mae a phone after my taste the omnibalance design was almost that
edit:it all makes sense now they only reduced the bezel at the bottom not the top
which means the top bezel is the same thickness as z1
it all makes sense now

zzcool said:
oh this is not what i wanted to know due to my obsession
and i am ocd about EVERYTHING i spent hours yesterday looking up pictures and videos comparing them to eachother to get the right look of the frame some pictures show it with a dark like blue which is ok other show it with a purple silver like hue which to me is a little on the girly side but i need to see myself before i judge the phone is so perfect that i am nitpicking the heck out of it
the other small tiny worry is that it seems they wen't back to the blue like black glass like the original z
i liked the blue like frame on the original z so chances are i'll like z2 aswell
but WHY would they touch the already perfect z1 design they only needed to add the thinner bezels speakers and screen and get rid of that plastic the design was perfect as it was
if they even dare putting XPERIA in big letters at the front on their next flagship then i won't even bother even trying to consider that it would entirely damage the phone beyond repair for me
the z1 was so perfect but i guess i can't expect them to mae a phone after my taste the omnibalance design was almost that
edit:it all makes sense now they only reduced the bezel at the bottom not the top
which means the top bezel is the same thickness as z1
it all makes sense now
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But that's a good thing. Same size device, but more screen real estate

zzcool said:
edit:it all makes sense now they only reduced the bezel at the bottom not the top
which means the top bezel is the same thickness as z1
it all makes sense now
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I read that the top bezel has to be that size to fit the camera module (camera module is too large to fit behind the LCD and keep the phone thin). So it makes sense that they can't shrink it. Good investigating!

Why are we even talking about this subject? If the bezel was bigger on one side..... who cares?
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shook187 said:
Why are we even talking about this subject? If the bezel was bigger on one side..... who cares?
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Because we are tech nerds obsessing over a phone. Come join the party if you want. :highfive:

shook187 said:
Why are we even talking about this subject? If the bezel was bigger on one side..... who cares?
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The OP? What is the purpose of your post? OP clearly said he's obsessed with this. I answered the poll out of memory but now I see it, it really is a tiny bit out of symmetry. I will possibly do my own analysis.
To you, OP. The edges still have the plastic, its just in perfect alignment with the metal so that the curvature is perfect. This was one of my favorite improvements in the phone design.
PS. I suggest meditation and relaxation techniques for your ocd.

How is THAT screen?

I created this thread specifically for all the members to talk about the new 2k screen of the LG G3. The screen is the most important feature of the LG G3 and it is what LG brags about the most. For many of us including me, the screen will be the deciding factor of whether we buy the phone or not.How does the new 2k display panel perform in real life situations compared to other high end phone display panels like the Galaxy S5 or HTC One M8? Let's have a nice dedicated thread to the most important feature on this phone.
Ideas to talk about:
•Contrast levels
•How your content looks on it
•Your thoughts of it compared to the previous display you had.
•Any weird issues? (Screen interlacing, ghost issues)
•Color production
•Do you find it nice and worthwhile?
•How are those BLACK LEVELS (Important!)
•Any heat issues with the screen?
•Good high and low brightness levels?

All of the above... Thinking of upgrading from a nexus 5...
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I have seen a couple of reviews that say the max brightness is quite dim. Can someone who owns one confirm if this is true?
The G2 has the best display I have ever had and I don't want to downgrade to a duller screen (I am not bothered about the high res as the G2 has enough res. I want bright and vibrant!

Spewy1 said:
I have seen a couple of reviews that say the max brightness is quite dim. Can someone who owns one confirm if this is true?
The G2 has the best display I have ever had and I don't want to downgrade to a duller screen (I am not bothered about the high res as the G2 has enough res. I want bright and vibrant!
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Go to s5 ^^ it's too bright and too vibrant :laugh: (^^)

And ffs please, reviewers, don't simply declare that you can't distinguish individual pixels on 1080p as well as 2k and then conclude from that that the extra resolution doesn't make a difference. The question is: how do you subjectively experience visual items in 2k vs. 1080p--images, text, UI items, etc.. Past 325 dpi, a pixel is not an item, so it's irrelevant that you can't see one. Tons of those online reviews provide what the reviewer thinks their impression of the screen must be instead of the reviewer providing their true impression.

Canard caché said:
Go to s5 ^^ it's too bright and too vibrant :laugh: (^^)
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I don't like the s5. Various reasons but mainly the cover over the charging port and overall design.
I love my g2 but need more memory (64gb minimum). I am worried about the screen on the g3 but the reviewers all focus on the resolution but I want to hear from real users about the real world experience of the screen.
Many thanks in advance for any input from owners of the phone.

Great Arstechica review as usual
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/lg-g3-review-a-great-phone-with-way-too-many-pixels/

That cover on the S5 (my wife has one), is for water proofing and easily ripped off.
Personally, I could use a screen with less pixels and longer screen-on time. I consider the screen resolution to be a minus. My preference is less pixels and make it a 6", like the HTC One Max I just returned after a week.

liqn7 said:
Great Arstechica review as usual
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/lg-g3-review-a-great-phone-with-way-too-many-pixels/
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Can't agree with you there. They did the same move as all the other reviewers where they presume that the inability to distinguish individual pixels automatically means people can't see any overall difference in image quality:
Even at point-blank range, it's hard to resolve a single pixel. 1080p screens are also beautiful, though, and when looking at the two, side-by-side, we aren't convinced the jump to 1440p is necessary. More pixels only matter if you can see them, and on a ~5-inch device, it's almost impossible to tell the difference between a 1080p screen and the 1440p screen of the G3.
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That's why I asked above that any reviewers here avoid that particular groupthink and tell us how they actually experience 2k vs. 1080p.

Jimmy34742 said:
Can't agree with you there. They did the same move as all the other reviewers where they presume that the inability to distinguish individual pixels automatically means people can't see any overall difference in image quality:
That's why I asked above that any reviewers here avoid that particular groupthink and tell us how they actually experience 2k vs. 1080p.
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I think the most important caveat is that hardly any apps will be optimized for 2k display when the phone finally arrives.
HAving said that, kind of hard to judge don't you think?

Contrast and black levels are bad , i can garantee u that

hamad138 said:
Contrast and black levels are bad , i can garantee u that
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How can you?

theraker007 said:
I think the most important caveat is that hardly any apps will be optimized for 2k display when the phone finally arrives.
HAving said that, kind of hard to judge don't you think?
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That's logical. But so is the idea that the human eye can't distinguish pixels at a density greater than 326dpi. So, yeah, it comes down to subjective judgment calls. In that case, I'm interested in the subjective point of view of people who actually have one of these devices and their actual experience. We already know how do deduce logically what everyone's experience must be, and all the reviews I've read only do that. Images and text may appear sharper at a given distance from the eye in a way unrelated to whether or not you can distinguish an individual pixel.

The LG G3 has the best smartphone display I've seen: It's sharp, but it's also bright and has great color. The colors don't pop quite as much as on some of the better SuperAMOLED screens I've seen (such as on the just-announced Samsung Galaxy Tab S), but the sharpness is off the charts.
Comparing the G3's display to the one on the HTC One M8 (my current favorite Android phone), I felt the LG's was just as sharp, and a few details — such as drop shadows in Evernote — stood out slightly more. And even though colors weren't as vivid as on the HTC, the G3 had more natural skin tones
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From Mashable's review. Everyone's eyes are different I guess.
Contrast was superb. Black text on white background — one of the most essential things a smartphone, or any display, needs to get right — really stood out. The ultra-sharp characters nearly jumped off the screen, and I couldn't discern individual pixels, no matter how close I put my eye to the screen.
So the LG G3's Quad HD display is more than just hype. But only a bit. There's nothing wrong with the HTC One M8's screen — or the Samsung Galaxy S5's or the iPhone 5S's for that matter. They're still mighty sharp, and can display great images, just not quite as sharply or as impressively as the LG G3.
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hamad138 said:
Contrast and black levels are bad , i can garantee u that
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I truly hope that the screen is great on this phone but I can't wait any longer and have just ordered an S5. I have waited for all the flagships to come out this year and was truly hoping that the G3 would be the one. Two of the most important things to me are brightness and battery life and I'm worried that with the G3 I would end up having the brightness cranked all the time and would have poor battery life as a result. Really wanted to try LG this time but lost my nerve
Tapped it!

hamad138 said:
Contrast and black levels are bad , i can garantee u that
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Seriously? Those are much more important then resolution to improve upon.

helikido said:
Seriously? Those are much more important then resolution to improve upon.
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yes but not for marketing.

I'm most concerned with the viewing angles, black levels, contrast, and color accuracy. I'm definitely getting the G3 but I really don't want to have to play the panel lottery. I'd prefer a warmer display over a cooler display - as long as it's not noticeably pink/green/blue, I'm fine. A slight yellow/orange tint is okay, but obviously a calibrated display would be the best. My black Nexus 5's viewing angles aren't great, with the screen washing out at 30+ degree angle. My buddy's white Nexus 5 seems to have better viewing angles, so I'm not sure what the deal is. I'm pretty confident in LG's ability to produce good displays -- they pretty much made this phone just to show off their new display.

Actually, I'm now concerned about the narrowness of the bezel. Yes, it's a cool feature, and everyone dreams of a bezel-less phone, but I already have problems due to the narrowness of my S4's bezel. When I'm holding my phone for an extended time, referring to notes while speaking to people, my grip often gets interpreted by the system as a touch and hold. That pops up a dialog that I have to dismiss, and it's really obtrusive in real time situations. Sure, I could be more careful, but it's just too easy to make that problem happen during normal usage. It's not like I have big fat hands or a weird grip or anything. I've already been thinking that when we finally get bezel-free phones, there will have to be utilities to create a non-reactive border of pixels in a user-specified width, or else the user will accidentally be popping things up all over the place. At present, though, I think the G3's large size and tiny bezel are actually going to make it difficult to use the way I want to use it even though it's hardly bigger than my S4. You never know until you actually use it for a few days and try to adapt, but there's no way to do that without buying it, which I'm now hesitant to do.

You're holding it wrong ☺
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Display Calibration Tip

Hey guys, so I've been loving my Xperia z3 apart from one problem - the display. I was unhappy with the blue-leaning cold look. What I wanted was a proper, sRGB industry standard, calibrated screen. But I kept failing to get it right.
I've seen a lot of people sharing rgb values for white balance, and the problem with this is having been into a store I've realised that all the displays are a bit different and in some cases require completely different tuning. The only exception of course being that blue should be kept on 0
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I've managed to get my display as close to perfect by doing the following. I'm not a professional so I'm not suggesting this is a sort of gold standard or anything. It's making do:
1) Download this picture to your phone and set your brightness to the bottom instructions: http://www.furthertofly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/brightness_contrast_setting.png
Why? Because after going wrong several times trying to calibrate my display to my macbook, I realized because the brightnesses of panels are different, this can RADICALLY affect how things look as you adjust the sliders.
2) I went into an Apple store and downloaded the above picture onto an IPhone 5c and adjusted the 5c's brightness similarly. Why a 5c? Because every journalist Ive seen on the web (Erica Griffin and Anandtech to name two) both say that the iPhone is the best calibrated display. Hands down. 5c because anandtech say it has the best white balance of any iPhone. (6 is a tiny bit blue/cold apparently)
3) Making sure x-reality and super vivid are off, I downloaded a pure white picture onto both my z3 and 5c and played with the z3's white balance until my phone was nearly perfectly in line with the iphone. Nearly.
Hope this helps someone, I know that sounds a bit OCD and silly to go to that trouble. But my display looks frickin awesome now, and felt this was worth sharing. Yes I know it's a bit amateur-hour....but so what.

Do you mind sharing your settings
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I think it differs, unit to unit some are bluer than others, my phone is already fairly close to the chart OP put up. So OPs settings may or may not work for you.
Its probably better to calibrate to the chart OP gave, by yourself.

pezlomd said:
Do you mind sharing your settings
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I purposely didn't reveal my settings as the point I was trying to make was that this is where everyone is going wrong. Even to the naked eye, two screens that LOOK comparable actually won't be once you start changing the w/b....
But anyway yeah my final calibration is R:70, G:230, b:0.
I have 20:20 vision (ish) and no colour blindness.
AGAIN, these settings should be absolutely irrelevant to your handset.
It will never be PERFECT because the Xperia uses a blue backlight led as opposed to a white one. So there will always be a little blue favouritism....but my point being you can get to 'almost-perfect' from the out-of-the-box ridiculousness that one finds.
Put it this way, my xperia z3 is now better calibrated than my macbook pro, but not QUITE (maybe 90% as good) as an iPhone 5c.

paddylaz said:
I have 20:20 vision (ish) and no colour blindness.
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People's eyesight 1) is different to other people's, and 2) changes through age. There's no *right* value. If you go to the same webpage on your monitor, tablet and phone, you'll likely find they all look different.

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People's eyesight 1) is different to other people's, and 2) changes through age. There's no *right* value. If you go to the same webpage on your monitor, tablet and phone, you'll likely find they all look different.
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Yes I know I've never suggested otherwise. I only added those details in case someone (such as yourself) might offer them as reasons for unreliable variability. I just added that to rule out any visual eccentricities that might negatively affect the value of what i was saying.
The fact that it changes through age is irrelevant. I am referencing the screen to something else...so the contrasting reference will be consistent. sRGB calibrations are advanced measurements made using (among other things) wavelength. That's why they are a standard.

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Yes I know I've never suggested otherwise. I only added those details in case someone (such as yourself) might offer them as reasons for unreliable variability. I just added that to rule out any visual eccentricities that might negatively affect the value of what i was saying.
The fact that it changes through age is irrelevant. I am referencing the screen to something else...so the contrasting reference will be consistent. sRGB calibrations are advanced measurements made using (among other things) wavelength. That's why they are a standard.
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If you're calibrating your phone so that images you produce in phone are more likely to be reproduced accurately on other people's devices, then you're doing it right.
If, however, you're calibrating your phone to an objective external definition of what is accurate without taking your own eyes into account, you're doing it wrong, because - for example - if you're older and your eyesight is therefore tending towards the yellow then you need to compensate for that, otherwise your spot-on, 100% accurate colour reproduction is going to look too yellow.
Also, bear in mind that absolutely nobodies phone, tablet, monitor, tv etc is calibrated "properly", not are they set to the same brightness/contrast settings, and some people have dynamic this and cinema mode that. Perhaps in the future this'll be handled properly, but not - I suspect- on most consumer equipment.

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If you're calibrating your phone so that images you produce in phone are more likely to be reproduced accurately on other people's devices, then you're doing it right.
If, however, you're calibrating your phone to an objective external definition of what is accurate without taking your own eyes into account, you're doing it wrong, because - for example - if you're older and your eyesight is therefore tending towards the yellow then you need to compensate for that, otherwise your spot-on, 100% accurate colour reproduction is going to look too yellow.
Also, bear in mind that absolutely nobodies phone, tablet, monitor, tv etc is calibrated "properly", not are they set to the same brightness/contrast settings, and some people have dynamic this and cinema mode that. Perhaps in the future this'll be handled properly, but not - I suspect- on most consumer equipment.
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Well I did say it wasn't meant to be professional grade. I'm young, decent eyesight, and there is such a thing as proper calibration in the digital/tech world - sRGB is the international standard for displaying content on the internet for instance. Anyway, I posted my methodology because it's something that someone can do very easily just by popping into an apple store on the way to work etc - much easier than spending ages comparing peoples' posted values that are all going to be even more subjective and open to error.

I've got loads of phones in my shop so i've tried to callibrate it to match other phones, but because the blue level on mine is so high, I just can't get it anywhere near other phones. I've tried Iphone 5c's, 5s's, Xperia Z and Z1, HTC One.
Just can't get the display anywhere near them. They always seem too yellow and my device won't match it so i'm trying very very hard to get used to the blue screen.

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I think it differs, unit to unit some are bluer than others, my phone is already fairly close to the chart OP put up. So OPs settings may or may not work for you.
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You're right. I returned my first Z3 and I compared it to my second and it was a big difference. My second one has much warmer whites and I don't need to calibrate it.
When I did a warranty exchange with my Nexus 5 the screens looked different as well.

I'm a little lost, what exactly are you supposed to do once you download this Pic?

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I'm a little lost, what exactly are you supposed to do once you download this Pic?
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Calibrate the screen so you can "barely" see the separation between the black bars.

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Calibrate the screen so you can "barely" see the separation between the black bars.
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How is this going to address "too warm/too blue" white balance issues?

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I purposely didn't reveal my settings as the point I was trying to make was that this is where everyone is going wrong. Even to the naked eye, two screens that LOOK comparable actually won't be once you start changing the w/b....
But anyway yeah my final calibration is R:70, G:230, b:0.
I have 20:20 vision (ish) and no colour blindness.
AGAIN, these settings should be absolutely irrelevant to your handset.
It will never be PERFECT because the Xperia uses a blue backlight led as opposed to a white one. So there will always be a little blue favouritism....but my point being you can get to 'almost-perfect' from the out-of-the-box ridiculousness that one finds.
Put it this way, my xperia z3 is now better calibrated than my macbook pro, but not QUITE (maybe 90% as good) as an iPhone 5c.
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Green at 230? WOW! lol. Little too dramatic, lol. Try Red 36, Green 8, and Blue 0. But then again, my default whiteness isn't too bad. little cool, but just a small nudge in red and green will do the trick!

With default settings my phone is showing a bit warmer / reddish colors. I have to increase the blue color a bit in order to make white background pure white.

z3 dual
what's you're display calibration for z3 dual there, anyone? I guess the z3 dual screen is much better than the single variants.

70/230/0 is far too off to be deemed accurate. All my monitors are calibrated with an i1Display pro and I've visually calibrated my Z3 alongside the monitors to match (169/188/47 RGB):
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My values won't work the same on any other Z3 as you'd expect but it's a starting point at least I guess.

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70/230/0 is far too off to be deemed accurate. All my monitors are calibrated with an i1Display pro and I've visually calibrated my Z3 alongside the monitors to match (169/188/47 RGB):
My values won't work the same on any other Z3 as you'd expect but it's a starting point at least I guess.
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Robbie, I think you may still have x reality or superivivid enabled, since the red on the headscarf via the z3 is very saturated, I like it like so but the monitor behind it depicts a more purplish subdued red instead.

Nope I have all display processing features disabled as I never liked using them^^

If you just look at your phone screen you won't tell it's blue. Until you hold it directly to a good screen, like a mac, then you will tell its kinda blue with bright images. I won't change the white balance, since I cant tell the difference without a 'real white' screen next to it and I like the brightness. Its nice to be able to read your messages directly in the sun.

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Google Pixel 4a, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Google Pixel 4a is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Not a bad little phone for the price. Too small for me though. I have a 3XL. I bought this for my girlfriend. It's faster than I thought it would be. Should be incredible on Android 11.
She's very apprehensive with the small size. She also has a 3XL with a very cracked screen. Not quite as fast as my 3XL but extremely smooth. I'm very impressed.
I'm on Android 11 Beta 3

Love the Punch hole. Very nice
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I'm trying not to play with it. Lol
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Excellent for one handed use . I want one. Yummy

Had anyone else found their actual reported battery capacity is not what Google claimed?
This is my only device not meeting claimed mAh (my system is reporting 3080)

matthewkuhl said:
Had anyone else found their actual reported battery capacity is not what Google claimed?
This is my only device not meeting claimed mAh (my system is reporting 3080)
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mine also says 3080

gmanhatesu said:
mine also says 3080
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Thank you
i emailed Google support about it and they just recited the spec capacity and spewed some advertising nonsense about that being a "big deal" number and to reach out again if i had any other questions. i reiterated that i wasn't getting that number from my system reporting and they have not replied.
Please, bring it up to Google support because this might be a widespread problem.

Mine says 3080 as well.... I don't think it is a big deal.

What Accubattery Pro actually shows...
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Mine says 3080 as well.... I don't think it is a big deal.
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It's not a big deal...even if accurate. 2-3% difference. M'eh.

Yeah, the standing 3080 reported by accu battery seems to be inaccurate anyway. Now I've got a few charges on it the estimated battery capacity is higher 3300 or so........which in itself will be inaccurate as I believe the actual battery is probably as advertised. It's all semantics anyway..... What I do know is that battery life is way better than my outgoing 18 month old essential phone.
Now having used the 4a for a few days, it is solidifying my initial impressions of what a great phone for the money it is. Upgrade from my essential in every way, feels smoother, signal strength is better, it connects to my inbuilt android auto without a hitch. For me the size and weight of it is perfect..... going to be a keeper for sure.

This reminds me a lot of the Nexus 5 but without the flaws.
I really love this phone. The screen feels a lot larger than it is. Oled at this price is very nice. Decent stereo speakers. The snapdragon 730 is decent paired with 6 GB ram. Battery life is excellent considering the battery capacity.
The polycarbonate plastic body feels super solid and is light. The fingerprint scanner on the back is refreshing to use solving a problem that never needed to be solved with terrible in display fingerprint readers.
The camera is great.
3.5mm headphone jack.
This is the best Pixel I have used. My only complaint is I can't watch Netflix in fullscreen.

Here's my thoughts coming from Pixel 3a:
Screen is noticeably brighter outdoors.
Edge to edge is really nice, but the chins on the 3a give you somewhere to hold, whereas the 4a it's all screen and left holding it by edges a lot.
Fingerprint sensor got a huge upgrade, now works with completely wet finger, where the 3a had issues with slightly sweaty or wet finger, far less failed login attempts.
The edge to edge screen doesn't always fill the screen, like XFINITY Stream TV. Some apps will fill the right side of the screen, but the left side of the screen will be a square edge instead of filling to edge. This is probably my biggest gripe. Some apps do edge to edge fill properly, like YouTube, just wish all apps did this.
The screen is slightly warm in color, it has a tiny yellow tint to it, where the 3a is more neutral
The camera is very similar in color profile, has a slight warm tone, where the 3a feels more neutral
Great phone ruined by yellow glow over everything:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/ienzi6/yellow_tint_on_pixel_4a_screen/
Not sure if because of cheap OLED, or bad calibration.

For the money it is the best phone out there and I do like it. Here are my complaints coming from an Xperia XZ1.
-My Xperia phones were always bulletproof. I only used glass protectors and never had a case. The Pixel 4a is not as strong. Already took a chunk out of the plastic but it's a budget phone. Still with no wireless charging give us an aluminum back.
-Screen is great for the money. The colors aren't perfect but it looks good and the refresh rate seems nice.
-I am a fan of a side sensor but the rear one is pretty responsive so I don't complain too much.
-I HATE THE BOTTOM SPEAKER HOLES! I hold my phone with my pinky under the bottom and it digs into my skin. I will get used to it but it's annoying. Make the holes not so sharp or do something else. I have never been a fan of bottom mounted speakers.
-The camera is amazing for the money. Exceptional value.
-The software has been great and the new android update has made it even smoother.
Overall it is the phone that the Exceptional phone should have been. I had one of those and wanted to love it but the display was garbage. I can get over the stuff I hate on this phone because of the price.

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Still with no wireless charging give us an aluminum back.
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My preference leans toward textured plastic. Arguably lighter, less likely to dent, not a finger print magnet, potentially easier to hold with finger tips. So done with fragile glass and metal sandwiches. It's a phone not a fashion statement .
I suppose this (if true) would be the counter argument: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-4a/help/cover-4a-discoloration-problems-t4163637/post83511081

DB126 said:
My preference leans toward textured plastic. Arguably lighter, less likely to dent, not a finger print magnet, potentially easier to hold with finger tips. So done with fragile glass and metal sandwiches. It's a phone not a fashion statement .
I suppose this (if true) would be the counter argument: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-4a/help/cover-4a-discoloration-problems-t4163637/post83511081
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I am so over glass backs too but my XZ1 has the best metal back. Its textured so easy to hold and has never dented. Sure it is scratched as hell but I never babied it. Plastic would never hold up to that amount of damage. That is my only concern but I also paid a lot more for the XZ1 as well.

i received my Pixel 4a yesterday. Android 11 was waiting for me in KSA. Overall best device in back camera, display, touch response and off course software. Front camera is normal. Not good in games but can be bearable. Battery SOT is 8 to 9 hours. Upgraded from P40 pro. Wishes it should have better chipset atleast.

Pretty happy with the phone overall. Size is perfect and battery life is still good enough for me. I had a OnePlus 6t before this so most say it's a downgrade and in some ways it is but for the camera improvement and still having all day battery life and to actually get updates is a big plus over a big screen and battery and I don't we even more the difference in chipsets . It's a solid A to me hopefully they make more like this.

I owned flagship devices, top of the line processor, etc....
I was an idiot.
The Pixel 4a does everything I need to do and I save maybe $800 dollars.
Sure run a bench mark and the device will be very far behind the latest Samsung device but in real life the games I played and apps I ran all run fine.
The camera is the best !!! One thing Pixel does well is camera software processing.
I take photos with various devices and the colour of the Google shots is more natural, most camera add a cooling effect which you do not see in real life. Astro photography love putting my camera on a tripod and seeing what I get.
What do I lose wireless charging ? Not a big deal if it means I save $800
Water resistance, never been an issue
Miss a wide screen camera but for what I save just the normal camera is fine.
5G battery hog, not available everywhere "will want it next time"
Found out the phone's software automatically blocks Robo calls !!!! Wow I love you goggle.
Getting fast updates, and no bloat rounds of the reasons this device is for me.

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I owned flagship devices, top of the line processor, etc....
I was an idiot.
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Not necessarily. Until recently (let's call it the last 2 years) mid-range phones were a distinct step down from flagships. I had a hunch the curve would flip when the iPhone X and similar Samsungs came out which attempted to push the acceptable price point into the 4-digit range (USD). Ridiculous for a hand held gizmo that gets replaced every 2-3 years. Not to mention the giant form factor which didn't work for everyone. Be interesting to see where we are two years from now. Flagships will still exist but may not be the must-haves they once were.

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What Accubattery Pro actually shows... View attachment 5088261
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This is what shows in my device