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Hi guys,
Have you noticed a huge increase in spam apps in the market lately? Apps from developers like Michael Quach, Virtualtechs or Simpaddico, which literally count in the hundreds even though they really are the same app: a list of facts or quotes, with next / back buttons.
Apparently they also batch upload new versions of their apps regularly, just to get them to the top again. I'm getting sick of missing actual, useful apps because every time I check the market I only see these apps. Isn't there something we users can do to get rid of market spammers?
Proabably
There should be a "REPORT" button, right now its not a whole bunch of chronic spammer devies, they can get rid of them right away. BUNCH OF them are just scammers tryin' to make a quick buck.
frandavid100 said:
Hi guys,
Have you noticed a huge increase in spam apps in the market lately? Apps from developers like Michael Quach, Virtualtechs or Simpaddico, which literally count in the hundreds even though they really are the same app: a list of facts or quotes, with next / back buttons.
Apparently they also batch upload new versions of their apps regularly, just to get them to the top again. I'm getting sick of missing actual, useful apps because every time I check the market I only see these apps. Isn't there something we users can do to get rid of market spammers?
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ehBrY said:
There should be a "REPORT" button, right now its not a whole bunch of chronic spammer devies, they can get rid of them right away. BUNCH OF them are just scammers tryin' to make a quick buck.
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The problem is, taken independently those apps are not reportable. There is nothing wrong with a facts app, but there is with a developer releasing 100 of them. Yet I cannot report the developer, I can only report the app.
the biggest problem for me is the lack of search options in the market - unbelievable that google could leave it like that - there seems to be no intelligent search, no search by category or dev etc etc etc
Sorting options
czm said:
the biggest problem for me is the lack of search options in the market - unbelievable that google could leave it like that - there seems to be no intelligent search, no search by category or dev etc etc etc
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It is DEFINATELY missing sorting options like sort by rating!
Spam their email like they do our market
There does need to be some method whereby Google get notified if one developer uploads more than, say, 5 apps or they upload several at the same time and then someone at google has to physically examine them before they go up. That way these spam apps would be identifed as such and not turn up there.
I guess ultimately this is the price we pay for having an unrestricted market. At the moment it is still worth it to get the kinds of app that Apple would never allow but I think SOME control is needed.
This is where Apple's "managed" Store has it's benefits.
I would love to see a market proxy for rooted phones, allowing various developers and app categories to be removed from view. Regex pattern matching ...
I don't know if it's possible, but it would rock.
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This is where Apple's "managed" Store has it's benefits.
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After using the Nexus one for a month, there are many aspect of iphone i think is superior to Android in general. There are some flaws on the iphone, but when compared to the N1 (or any android phone), it feel so much more polished.
joshyth1012 said:
After using the Nexus one for a month, there are many aspect of iphone i think is superior to Android in general. There are some flaws on the iphone, but when compared to the N1 (or any android phone), it feel so much more polished.
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and that's "polish" comes at the cost of locking you away with everything u should have access for in the first place
Actually, I think these scammers/spammers/out-for-the-money people are NOT the problem...And in fact, they're actually a show of proof of just how open-ended the Android Market is.
The problem is that Google (The Internet Search Superpower) has crappy searching/filtering for their Android Market.
Ironic.
Could you guys please contribute to this petition?
http://www.google.com/support/forum...87&hl=en&fid=0514f909d7c71c8700047ff77f3d84e4
Let's see if we can at least get an answer.
Namuna said:
Actually, I think these scammers/spammers/out-for-the-money people are NOT the problem...And in fact, they're actually a show of proof of just how open-ended the Android Market is.
The problem is that Google (The Internet Search Superpower) has crappy searching/filtering for their Android Market.
Ironic.
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qft. all they need to do is add filters like ratings, downloads, etc. Then these apps wouldn't be a problem.
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qft. all they need to do is add filters like ratings, downloads, etc. Then these apps wouldn't be a problem.
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Exactly. The 'legit' devs should be pushing for this as well as it would make it easier for end users to find and buy quality product.
This is the exact reason why my Nexus One sat in its box for a week after receiving it. This is my first Android phone and coming from an Apple OS and a regulated app platform since the 2g was introduced, the marketplace had a very bad first impression with me. My N1 was bone stock and I experienced force closes on stock apps..I felt as if I was beta testing a device that was released too early. It was packed and ready to ship back. Then I decided to take another look and while 95% of the marketplace apps are pure garbage, IMO, the phone itself has its advantages which is why I choose the N1 as choice device as opposed to my 3gs in which I basically use as an ipod "with benefits."
Final thought. If the android market app regulation doesnt improve, it will fall..and it will fall hard.
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It is DEFINATELY missing sorting options like sort by rating!
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+1 def would like to see this
This is a problem, and I do think Google should priorities this A.S.A.P. As this will discourage most Iphone to Android users. I don't even look in the new tab any more.
its not like google knows a thing or two about how searching should be done....
Do what I do...only download apps you know about. Get recommendations from sites like this one.
Where is it for Nexus 7 2013? Will it be in the factory build? Is it going to be available for download separately from the store?
I find it odd that with all of the push to eliminate fragmentation it's not included.
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Where is it for Nexus 7 2013? Will it be in the factory build? Is it going to be available for download separately from the store?
I find it odd that with all of the push to eliminate fragmentation it's not included.
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Google Experience Launcher was intended to be Nexus 5 specific. It will not be included in official Nexus 7 images.
http://www.lmbtfy.com/?q=Google+experience+launcher+nexus+7
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Blah,blah url. The forum won't let me post links.
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Who cares what google search comes back with? Guessing/speculation/your mom talking about cats. The reason I posted here is because people who tend to know what they're doing come to xda for news/know-how.
Is the missing launcher really a bi-product of optimization and the always listening feature? Or is the GEL launcher going to be available on the store? Maybe you don't know but that doesn't mean that a developer or somebody else doesn't know.
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Who cares what google search comes back with? Guessing/speculation/your mom talking about cats. The reason I posted here is because people who tend to know what they're doing come to xda for news/know-how.
Is the missing launcher really a bi-product of optimization and the always listening feature? Or is the GEL launcher going to be available on the store? Maybe you don't know but that doesn't mean that a developer or somebody else doesn't know.
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Yeah. God forbid you should do a little research on your own. That's why everyone comes here, to spoon feed you information so you don't have to look it up yourself.
BTW: It was bing search. I thought it was quite witty to use bing to search for information about Google. I guess I'm not as funny as I thought I was.
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Yeah. God forbid you should do a little research on your own. That's why everyone comes here, to spoon feed you information so you don't have to look it up yourself.
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Despite the reputation that xda has for people who know what they're talking about there's still you. Research would imply that there is information elsewhere that:
A. I care about.
B. exists.
4.4 for Nexus 7 2013 is a few hours old. I already said I don't care about speculation. Stop being an ass. The first thing I did was google this and when nothing was found I started a post. Did you do any research before you posted that link? Read the first four pages of results. Read the first 100 pages of results. There's no links to statements from google or any developer anywhere that has looked into anything. Instead there's a bunch of people who all regurgitate information, whether cited or not from The Verge, who also don't cite a source. They just say vaguely that Google told them. Right... because Google talks to The Verge and The Verge exclusively.
Let me change the question for you. Don't answer it. It's clear you're just a moron. This is for somebody else.
Is there really a hardware reason to exclude the Google Experience Launcher? Does anybody know if GEL really uses anything from the 800 or is Google just running a trial on the N5 users?
In addition, has anybody seen whether or not somebody has tried to take the apk from a Nexus 5 and run it on a Nexus 7?
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Despite the reputation that xda has for people who know what they're talking about there's still you. Research would imply that there is information elsewhere that:
A. I care about.
B. exists.
4.4 for Nexus 7 2013 is a few hours old. I already said I don't care about speculation. Stop being an ass. The first thing I did was google this and when nothing was found I started a post. Did you do any research before you posted that link? Read the first four pages of results. Read the first 100 pages of results. There's no links to statements from google or any developer anywhere that has looked into anything. Instead there's a bunch of people who all regurgitate information, whether cited or not from The Verge, who also don't cite a source. They just say vaguely that Google told them. Right... because Google talks to The Verge and The Verge exclusively.
Let me change the question for you. Don't answer it. It's clear you're just a moron. This is for somebody else.
Is there really a hardware reason to exclude the Google Experience Launcher? Does anybody know if GEL really uses anything from the 800 or is Google just running a trial on the N5 users?
In addition, has anybody seen whether or not somebody has tried to take the apk from a Nexus 5 and run it on a Nexus 7?
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Your Google Fu sucks. You obviously don't know how to use a search engine. I may be a moron but I'm smarter then you. So there's that.
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Your Google Fu sucks. You obviously don't know how to use a search engine. I may be a moron but I'm smarter then you. So there's that.
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So you're a moron and a liar? There's no statement from Google about it or you would have posted it. There's no information about whether or not the speculated functionality of the snapdragon 800 is really required for GEL's always listening either. You didn't find anything in Google (or Bing. I thought you were just being stupid).
If you found anything... anything at all, post it. I will take even your information gladly.
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Is there really a hardware reason to exclude the Google Experience Launcher? Does anybody know if GEL really uses anything from the 800 or is Google just running a trial on the N5 users?
In addition, has anybody seen whether or not somebody has tried to take the apk from a Nexus 5 and run it on a Nexus 7?
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Those first builds of 4.4 that came around when the Nexus 5 was launched actually had the whole GEL. the only problem was the keyboard would pop up when you went back to the homescreen, but other than that, it was working fine, so the only reason I can see as to why they would have left it out of the tablet would be to give the Nexus 5 some more bullet points on its feature list than other products out there.
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Those first builds of 4.4 that came around when the Nexus 5 was launched actually had the whole GEL. the only problem was the keyboard would pop up when you went back to the homescreen, but other than that, it was working fine, so the only reason I can see as to why they would have left it out of the tablet would be to give the Nexus 5 some more bullet points on its feature list than other products out there.
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Interesting. So... chances are we'll have a unofficial version floating around in no-time. Did you have any hands on with those first builds? Did the always on functionality seem to impact battery life adversely? Thanks in advance!
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Where is it for Nexus 7 2013? Will it be in the factory build? Is it going to be available for download separately from the store?
I find it odd that with all of the push to eliminate fragmentation it's not included.
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I find it very troubling too. Especially when we didn't get the new look either. Nothing a little Nova Beta can't fix!
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Interesting. So... chances are we'll have a unofficial version floating around in no-time. Did you have any hands on with those first builds? Did the always on functionality seem to impact battery life adversely? Thanks in advance!
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I didn't take any time to tear into the build and tinker with it, but if there was any battery impact, it was too small to notice. I was still getting days of use. Even though the keyboard thing wasn't fixed in that build, maybe now that official builds are out and about, it can be fixed and sideloaded. I mean, all it was was a install of Google Play Services, the Launcher and the latest Google Search. Hopefully it won't be too hard to package those up and have them working soon.
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I find it very troubling too. Especially when we didn't get the new look either. Nothing a little Nova Beta can't fix!
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HEY!!!
Are you saying those sexy greyish icons up top AREN'T enough?!
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Interesting. So... chances are we'll have a unofficial version floating around in no-time. Did you have any hands on with those first builds? Did the always on functionality seem to impact battery life adversely? Thanks in advance!
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There's already unofficial builds running around. I'm running it on my N7 with 4.4 right now. Still has the keyboard bug though.
All I had to do was install the launcher APK from Android Police and boom, GEL.
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I didn't take any time to tear into the build and tinker with it, but if there was any battery impact, it was too small to notice. I was still getting days of use. Even though the keyboard thing wasn't fixed in that build, maybe now that official builds are out and about, it can be fixed and sideloaded. I mean, all it was was a install of Google Play Services, the Launcher and the latest Google Search. Hopefully it won't be too hard to package those up and have them working soon.
HEY!!!
Are you saying those sexy greyish icons up top AREN'T enough?!
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Thank you for the information. Sounds like I should wait a few days and check back in.
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I didn't take any time to tear into the build and tinker with it, but if there was any battery impact, it was too small to notice. I was still getting days of use. Even though the keyboard thing wasn't fixed in that build, maybe now that official builds are out and about, it can be fixed and sideloaded. I mean, all it was was a install of Google Play Services, the Launcher and the latest Google Search. Hopefully it won't be too hard to package those up and have them working soon.
HEY!!!
Are you saying those sexy greyish icons up top AREN'T enough?!
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As far as aesthetics go, no, changing the color of the notification bar text and icons wasn't enough. At all. Considering we didn't get the transparent notification bar or the new app drawer icon. I'm getting my fix of those two with Nova Beta though. Gets me all of those things, plus it's pretty stable.
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As far as aesthetics go, no, changing the color of the notification bar text and icons wasn't enough. At all. Considering we didn't get the transparent notification bar or the new app drawer icon. I'm getting my fix of those two with Nova Beta though. Gets me all of those things, plus it's pretty stable.
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Yeah I was more being sarcastic. Even though I was more looking forward to just having a bit more stability in everything I use the tablet for, I can't say I wasn't a little bit disappointed not having a very obvious "New Update Day!" feature to have fun with. And if Action Launcher wasn't the most overpowered launcher out there, I might use Nova. I just can't get over that Quick Panel. its too useful
Massive Google Search 3.1.8 Update Rolling Out, Brings Google Experience Launcher To All 4.1+ Devices, New Cards, Completely Fixes GEL On Tablets, And More [APK Download]
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Happy now?
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I had a feeling thats what why they didnt include it...
Im using a 4.4 ROM on my nexus4 with gel and i tell you, dont havê battery issue, or fast drain...its quite normal in fact...
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So now KitKat is out with a new full screen mode that apparently breaks whatever mechanism was previously used to go full screen. So is it technically possible to somehow force an app to use immersive mode?
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drinkypoo said:
So now KitKat is out with a new full screen mode that apparently breaks whatever mechanism was previously used to go full screen. So is it technically possible to somehow force an app to use immersive mode?
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"To provide your app with a layout that fills the entire screen, the new SYSTEM_UI_FLAG_IMMERSIVE flag for setSystemUiVisibility() (when combined with SYSTEM_UI_FLAG_HIDE_NAVIGATION) enables a new immersive full-screen mode. While immersive full-screen mode is enabled, your activity continues to receive all touch events. The user can reveal the system bars with an inward swipe along the region where the system bars normally appear. This clears the SYSTEM_UI_FLAG_HIDE_NAVIGATION flag (and the SYSTEM_UI_FLAG_FULLSCREEN flag, if applied) so the system bars remain visible. However, if you'd like the system bars to hide again after a few moments, you can instead use the SYSTEM_UI_FLAG_IMMERSIVE_STICKY flag."
Found at developer.android[dot]com/about/versions/android-4.4.html
It would be cool if there was a method to force this mode selectively of globally for all apps with some sort of control with root.
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It would be cool if there was a method to force this mode selectively of globally for all apps with some sort of control with root.
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no, no it would not, and no, no it would not work for many!
Wtf are you talking about? Of course it would be desirable and work for many. You just add ONE FLAG to the properties (IMMERSIVE_STICKY) and the application does not even need to be aware!
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Already asked developer of full!screen to address this but no response.
Would edit comment but xda app won't let me touch latest post on kitkat, usual high quality of tapatalk
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drinkypoo said:
Wtf are you talking about? Of course it would be desirable and work for many. You just add ONE FLAG to the properties (IMMERSIVE_STICKY) and the application does not even need to be aware!
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nope... depends on the design of the app as to if it would work with the UI, it should stay a design decision not a system/platform one!
Look, apps not going full screen has already been a big problem for android for YEARS. That's why there are so many apps that make apps full screen, like full!screen+. But now Google has made it impossible to hide the navigation bar any way OTHER than immersive mode. Consequently I will be sticking with jelly bean for the foreseeable future because there is no other way to use certain apps full screen. Once again Google breaks something I am using for no reason.
Unfortunately you will get your way even though you are wrong. Apparently you can only initiate immersive mode initially, and not from outside the program. According to the developer of full!screen+ anyway.
There is literally NO valid argument against an app being to force immersive_sticky mode. NONE. The app is not aware of it at all, and it's MY phone, not the app developer's. Don't tell me how I want to use my phone, and I won't tell you where to go and what to do when you get there.
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Not about right or wrong, and it should not get you wound up. My app would be worse off if you could do it... So no... Bad idea cause I designed my app to use the back button for navigation. If the app design allows... Sure would be good.. If not... No lol
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deanwray said:
Not about right or wrong, and it should not get you wound up. My app would be worse off if you could do it... So no... Bad idea cause I designed my app to use the back button for navigation. If the app design allows... Sure would be good.. If not... No lol
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Sigh. Please read up on Immersive mode: https://developer.android.com/training/system-ui/immersive.html
The user swipes from the edge of the screen to show the UI, and then they can press the back button.
Please educate yourself.
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Sigh. Please read up on Immersive mode: https://developer.android.com/training/system-ui/immersive.html
The user swipes from the edge of the screen to show the UI, and then they can press the back button.
Please educate yourself.
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BTW I mean and intend no malice or to be condescending..
As condescending as you are attempting to be... I personally think you should come back after having designed a few apps.. Obviously I know what it is and know what kiosk mode was very early in Android... Anyway.. Look... I don't like arguing... But I like it less when someone attempts to dictate terms of Ui design.. While also assuming I need to educate myself... I think that's about the dumbest thing you could have said.. Please note that I have not intended to argue and only offer what I thought would be a valid opinion given my experience... I'm not going to explain / educate you on user flow/ Ui design.. But if you do read there are some good books that should demonstrate a few things that would say it's not the best idea. It obviously depends on design principals and methods in use in the app. Anyway I didn't comment on this thread to argue, only offer an opinion... I think you should be a little more open minded as to opinions, who people are, their experience and have a little more respect.. I apologise if anything I have said offends, as always I'm just attempting to be helpful, will leave this thread and unsub. Good luck in your search
Edit: sigh...ugh, ok my helpful nature came back to me, there are many reasons why this would/could and maybe a bad idea for some but not all apps. Here are a few reasons that initially came to mind.
Dev:
Popup view placements with custom menus in apps (rather than using absolute screen coords (as you cant and it's dependant on android version what is reported) devs sometimes have to hack a solution based on system bar and status bar metrics and calculations, this would screw them and they would now have to check the state, hence why it's an app controlled thing!)
Fixed optimized surfaceView or custom renderer handling, user controlled views that change size with no callbacks or state changes and with no android configuration calls can be very bad. Won't explain this one too much. But at the least it would require devs to implement listeners or callbacks, not something that they would do accidentally allowing it to work.
Design:
if using on screen system bar UI controls (back key, onscreen) that is offscreen, then simply going back becomes a gesture and a click, which is fine unless your design dictates this happen lots.
neways thats a few "opinions" and reasons.
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I always am and do.... how about you?
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I hope you do unsub, and leave me alone in the future. Telling me, the user, that I shouldn't have what I want is beyond ridiculous. And since there's no reason whatsoever (and you have utterly failed to present one, in spite of your attempts to be condescending) why I shouldn't be able to decide if an app is full screen, I wish you'd delete your comments too so that this thread could be used for some useful purpose.
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I hope you do unsub, and leave me alone in the future. Telling me, the user, that I shouldn't have what I want is beyond ridiculous. And since there's no reason whatsoever (and you have utterly failed to present one, in spite of your attempts to be condescending) why I shouldn't be able to decide if an app is full screen, I wish you'd delete your comments too so that this thread could be used for some useful purpose.
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hang on I came back to help...and no I apologize yet again if you think that I was attempting to be condescending, that is not the case, I'm attempting to say why it would be a bad idea "to let the user control the system" in such a way. Personally I think immersive mode in apps should be put in by the dev, but be accounted for and designed around. That was my point. I think you have missed what I was attempting to say... and no, despite 17 years of design/vfx/software etc, I have no more right to tell you to educate yourself than you do me, that was another point... anyways sorry you don't get what I was saying (how it would crash/fc some apps, cause that is a fair reason) or how I explained it... good luck again
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anyways sorry you don't get what I was saying (how it would crash/fc some apps, cause that is a fair reason) or how I explained it... good luck again
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Apps are not aware of immersive mode, how would it crash/fc some apps, and even if it did, why is that an argument against letting the user attempt it? There's tons of apps promoted here on XDA which will cause apps or even devices to crash if misused, hell, even to be bricked. Are you against all of those apps, too? That is what you didn't explain. You're also engaging in the logical fallacy of appeal to experience when you don't have experience actually trying to do this, and you're only engaging in FUD. You didn't come back to help, you came back to continue your argument against what I want and why? Because you're insulted that someone might believe that the developer in fact does not know best?
This is not my first time around the track with a developer who thinks they're wonderful and that users are ignorant and that nobody but them could possibly know what someone might want to do with their device, or with an app. But users are extremely well-versed in one thing: what they want. And what I want is to be able to force immersive mode for apps which don't employ it, mostly because they were written and then abandoned before KitKat was released and before there was such a thing. In such a case, or in any other case, what the developer wants is irrelevant. That is to say, you are irrelevant. Someone who actually wants to help achieve the goal of being able to force immersive mode would be relevant.
For what it's worth, I'm an IT professional with a good twenty years of experience. Developers are worthless without IT, and vice versa. And neither one has a purpose without the user. Hop off your high horse, and either help or don't.
lol, omg! I don't know how you are taking me the way you are... ok this is the last time I'm going to apologize now cause I intend neither malice or to be condescending or anything of that nature, and I as a "new" dev value not only opinions of strangers but highly value opinions of users beyond what I have seen in other devs! I apologize if you think I'm questioning you in some way... again I am not at all, I'm simply pointing out what "I think would happen and why", although I'm somehow failing to explain/communicate properly.
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Apps are not aware of immersive mode, how would it crash/fc some apps, and even if it did, why is that an argument against letting the user attempt it?
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It's the fact that they are not aware of it, android is a fair platform, but not the best when handling any change in the view tree. So here is an example of performance hit... a listView is a type of view user in almost all apps. Here is what would happen from a framework standpoint if lets say, an animation was triggered to get rid of the system bars that the app didn't know about and the dev hadn't planned for...
the listView starts to expand, the 1st indication of this is it gets incremented in height by (some pixel value/cycle animation)
the listView now triggers invalidate(), this causes all backing data to be read again and all views in the list to refresh and is "blocking" (i think) (as in hangs on the main thread and can stop/slow the UI)
it then redraws all the child views when this is done
repeat for every frame of animation..
thats just 1 little example btw, I can think of lots here and some cause FC's
There's tons of apps promoted here on XDA which will cause apps or even devices to crash if misused, hell, even to be bricked. Are you against all of those apps, too? That is what you didn't explain. You're also engaging in the logical fallacy of appeal to experience when you don't have experience actually trying to do this, and you're only engaging in FUD. You didn't come back to help, you came back to continue your argument against what I want and why? Because you're insulted that someone might believe that the developer in fact does not know best?
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Not against any apps or mods of any kind (although I must admit that some mod influenced crashes have caused me to have to spend time accounting for them) thats not all that nice
I 100% assure you I did not come back to argue, maybe to present a point better yes, but not for any other reason than I think you took/are taking me the wrong way entirely
Also I would never say I know best, ever, there is no guarantee that it would be "ever" true!
This is not my first time around the track with a developer who thinks they're wonderful and that users are ignorant and that nobody but them could possibly know what someone might want to do with their device, or with an app.
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Ok that is entirely wrong, and I apologize (really last time) if you got that impression!!! You are sounding more like you have had very bad experiences with android developers!
But users are extremely well-versed in one thing: what they want. And what I want is to be able to force immersive mode for apps which don't employ it, mostly because they were written and then abandoned before KitKat was released and before there was such a thing. In such a case, or in any other case, what the developer wants is irrelevant. That is to say, you are irrelevant. Someone who actually wants to help achieve the goal of being able to force immersive mode would be relevant.
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we are all irrelevant But again I think your taking me/this the wrong way, I keep saying I would "LOVE/LIKE" apps to be designed and updated for this... I actually was very angry at android for 3.0 and forced systembar (end of kiosk mode)
I was simply pointing out why/how such a thing may cause problems if not designed for and accounted for both visually and technically!
Hop off your high horse, and either help or don't.
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ok last time really really, there is no high horse here, so nothing to hop down off, out of most I know I am probably one of the humblest you could ever meet and actually most critical of myself too! So sorry if you took me the wrong way!
Again, yes it would be a good "design" idea, no it probably would not be good technically given how "lots" of apps are written.
I think it maybe possible with root, but I also think it may crash a large amount of apps...
Well, sorry, maybe I would have taken you differently if you hadn't attacked my idea right away. If you wanted to be helpful why didn't you try that first?
Anyway, it is supposedly impossible to activate later but I would love that to be false
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drinkypoo said:
Well, sorry, maybe I would have taken you differently if you hadn't attacked my idea right away. If you wanted to be helpful why didn't you try that first?
Anyway, it is supposedly impossible to activate later but I would love that to be false
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well I wouldn't call what I said an "attack on the idea" but maybe I should have explained more about why it is not a good idea given on how the android framework expects things.... dont be so quick yourself to attack, defend or assume, as I think I have said all along, it would be a good idea if it wasn't for "android constraints" ... or rather maybe I should have started out that way... tbh I can see a way that it could be done with some "google" love to the api, but not without...
if you could convince google to alter viewGroups or multi view holders to have adaptive offsets for the top and bottom containers, and that there was also an interface listening by default to what window mode it was in, then lots of the problems both design and technical could be overcome. But in all honestly it took them 3 updates to fix a quite simple but annoying keyboard bug, so would not hold my breath on a request such as this
EDIT : thinking about it, would be easier to just convince developers to include support for it. There is not much to it tbh, I may try with smart messenger when I get all core features finished!
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if you could convince google to alter viewGroups or multi view holders to have adaptive offsets for the top and bottom containers, and that there was also an interface listening by default to what window mode it was in, then lots of the problems both design and technical could be overcome.
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The whole point of the immersive sticky mode is that the App doesn't know it's happening! The very point is that it can be added to an app without any other changes. The app is totally unaware that the UI is being presented, and it is not intended to know because it is not intended to rescale itself! Your objections all apply to IMMERSIVE mode, I don't see how they apply to IMMERSIVE_STICKY at all. You want the app to know what is happening, but it is critical that it not know if it is going to work correctly without any changes to the app itself!
That is why you are boggling my mind so hard. The app isn't supposed to know that the UI is being presented or hidden, and I don't want it to because I don't want it trying to resize itself or do anything else "tricky", for which you should read stupid. It's stupid because if the app tries to do that stuff it will probably fail, and further there is no need for it to happen.
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The whole point of the immersive sticky mode is that the App doesn't know it's happening! The very point is that it can be added to an app without any other changes. The app is totally unaware that the UI is being presented, and it is not intended to know because it is not intended to rescale itself! Your objections all apply to IMMERSIVE mode, I don't see how they apply to IMMERSIVE_STICKY at all. You want the app to know what is happening, but it is critical that it not know if it is going to work correctly without any changes to the app itself!
That is why you are boggling my mind so hard. The app isn't supposed to know that the UI is being presented or hidden, and I don't want it to because I don't want it trying to resize itself or do anything else "tricky", for which you should read stupid. It's stupid because if the app tries to do that stuff it will probably fail, and further there is no need for it to happen.
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not quite sure if you just called me stupid there Hopefully I read it wrong... the problem is that the available app space would change though right ? Meaning that views would change size. To prevent this the app would need a few things designed into it, so yes you are correct in that there would be no need for a listener with STICKY, but the developer would have had to set flags on both windowManager layout and the base View (SystemUi) (this is what i mentioned with offsets based on UI space, all it does is expand the app to fullscreen "underneath" the System bars) ... so yeah, in the end it is the app that needs to do this, because without that space will change and then the problems start...
Hope I explained that enough ?
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the problem is that the available app space would change though right ? Meaning that views would change size.
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WRONG. This is why I told you to go read up, do your research, et cetera. It wasn't arrogance, it was because you clearly had not done these things, and needed to before you could make an intelligent, insightful contribution.
This is what differentiates IMMERSIVE_STICKY mode from IMMERSIVE mode. The UI elements appear on top of your application. The available app space does not change. When the user is done using the UI elements, or when they time out, they fade away and your app is left sitting there full screen just like it was throughout the presentation of the UI. Your app is utterly and completely unaware of and unaffected by the presentation of the UI elements.
I treated you the way I did because it was clear that you were coming from a position of ignorance, and meanwhile accusing me of the same. Now that is arrogance.
Im thinking of rooting my note 3 (sm-n900) and installing CM 12.1. The main reason to do this is to eliminate the bloatware, increase the speed, get the latest updated (improvements, updates, security fixes, etc). By doing this, I will loose some cool features I love (like the smart stay, s view cover, S pen features, etc). So, what do you think? To root or not to root?
I can't possibly think of a day without an unrooted phone!
At the same time I can't possibly think about putting CM or anything like that anywhere near my phone.
Hope you get what I am trying to say.
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Im thinking of rooting my note 3 (sm-n900) and installing CM 12.1. The main reason to do this is to eliminate the bloatware, increase the speed, get the latest updated (improvements, updates, security fixes, etc). By doing this, I will loose some cool features I love (like the smart stay, s view cover, S pen features, etc). So, what do you think? To root or not to root?
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Tell me how it goes if you go through with it because I'm unsure about doing myself.
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I can't possibly think of a day without an unrooted phone!
At the same time I can't possibly think about putting CM or anything like that anywhere near my phone.
Hope you get what I am trying to say.
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Sorry... why don't you like CM?
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Sorry... why don't you like CM?
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Multiple reasons, really don't want to type a long list, don't have time.
If you are into that sort of stuffs then why don't you try and let us know. I hate it, doesn't mean you would too.
But a FACT won't change, we are not using some crappy old device where the official support is ended and we are stuck with Jelly Bean or something. I prefer stability and a fully featured ROM more than any buggy nonsense. However there are people who don't listen to songs, take pictures or videos or talk on a mobile phone, for them display, sound those don't matter, only if Facebook opens with some decreased animation times they are happy, but I am so fortunate to be not one of them, if you get what I am saying.
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Multiple reasons, really don't want to type a long list, don't have time.
If you are into that sort of stuffs then why don't you try and let us know. I hate it, doesn't mean you would too.
But a FACT won't change, we are not using some crappy old device where the official support is ended and we are stuck with Jelly Bean or something. I prefer stability and a fully featured ROM more than any buggy nonsense. However there are people who don't listen to songs, take pictures or videos or talk on a mobile phone, for them display, sound those don't matter, only if Facebook opens with some decreased animation times they are happy, but I am so fortunate to be not one of them, if you get what I am saying.
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Great... Now I got what you are saying! And I agree! But I use the phone a lot specially for work and use less for facebook, photos, etc. Since I use it a lot I need more speed and don't like samsung apps getting in my way like the s planner (Can't uninstall it and install google calendar). I also need the latest updated on my phone because I think they have the latest security fixes and bug fixes. Usually when I face a bug, I need to wait for months to or nearly an year to receive a fix with the stock rom. And I like to see how vanilla Android feels like. So If I make up my mind (hard ) I'll try and let you know.
By the way. Can we trust the roms in `sammobile`? They say those are the original stock roms? If I fail, I can use that to revert back right?
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Tell me how it goes if you go through with it because I'm unsure about doing myself.
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Sure I will let you know if I manage to make up my mind to do it. Still it's 50 - 50
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By the way. Can we trust the roms in `sammobile`? They say those are the original stock roms? If I fail, I can use that to revert back right?
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Oh yes, sure, you can trust sammobile.com absolutely.
One more thing, you can uninstall any app you want, just install Root Uninstaller. I have uninstalled ****e apps like S Voice, Trip Advisor, Google Books etc. and all those apps I don't need.
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Oh yes, sure, you can trust sammobile.com absolutely.
One more thing, you can uninstall any app you want, just install Root Uninstaller. I have uninstalled ****e apps like S Voice, Trip Advisor, Google Books etc. and all those apps I don't need.
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Cool! But one more thing... how does they get the original firmware if samsung doesn't offer it on their site?
Hehe great thanks!
<Mod Edit> I like to have different view points!
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Cool! But one more thing... how does they get the original firmware if samsung doesn't offer it on their site?
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Umm, probably sammobile.com is Samsung's site? Can't say really
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Umm, probably sammobile.com is Samsung's site? Can't say really
I am not fighting with anyone dude, fighting only happens between two matured people :laugh: I simply am stating a FACT.
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Hehe cool! Thanks!
Thread Cleaned. Stay on topic. Like OP said, everyone has their own view points AS WELL AS ways to use their phone. Rule 2.3 requires you to show respects to fellow members
2.3 Flaming / Lack of respect: XDA is about sharing and this does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) or rudeness. Flaming or posting with a lack of respect is unacceptable. Treat new members in the manner in which you would like to have been treated when you were a new member. When dealing with any member, provide them with guidance, advice and instructions when you can, showing them respect and courtesy. Never post in a demanding, argumentative, disrespectful or self-righteous manner.
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Just because someone likes the convenience and familiarity of Stock Touchwiz does not mean they are wrong. Also Just because phone is rooted does not mean custom recovery and Custom roms HAVE to be installed. Its all about individual preferences.
On the other hand, please do understand, this site is about Development and FOR DEVELOPERS. If you think certain rom has issues, then either fix it yourself since the code is already published. Or raise it to the Developers attention with clearly identified Logcats or bug reports. Blanket statements do not help.
If the argument continues, I will close the thread.
As the title states I setup brevent on my phone I was able to remove the lockscreen ads by 'breventing' the "Amazon Offers" system app.
One should also note the brevent takes some effort to start (needs a computer) but it stays on as long as you don't restart your phone.
Instructions:
You will have to go to settings and enable "show all apps"
Lock your phone, swipe away the ad, and voilia. no more ads.
There is a possibility that it may suck your battery... or it may improve it... I'll follow up after a few days
It is a shame that people update their phones before checking to see if they should or not. If you want to root or flash a phone, NEVER update it before researching what the updates do.
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It is a shame that people update their phones before checking to see if they should or not. If you want to root or flash a phone, NEVER update it before researching what the updates do.
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Yea but mistakes happen at times. I bought my blu to be a temp phone until the OnePlus 5 came out... Didn't expect the ads to be so annoying...
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There is a possibility that it may suck your battery... or it may improve it... I'll follow up after a few days
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Good news, the battery life is about the same. And maybe it's just my imagination but the phone seems slightly snappier.
For those of us who messed up and updated. This seems like the best option this far.
PS. If it works for you, you should probably donate to the developers of brevent (I am in no way affiliated to them but this has been a lifesaver for me)
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Yea but mistakes happen at times. I bought my blu to be a temp phone until the OnePlus 5 came out... Didn't expect the ads to be so annoying...
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Debloater might be a simpler solution. I have not tested this one but a similar app , that I can't find the page for ,
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294
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Debloater might be a simpler solution. I have not tested this one but a similar app , that I can't find the page for ,
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294
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Debloater doesn't work anymore.