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Does Knox 0x1 automatically void warranty?

I think it makes sense if Samsung refuses to repair those phones with custom rom or rooted phone.
In my country, they said rooting or installing of custom firmwares will result in losing warranty. So I was wondering if this applied to other country as well?
Apple wouldn't service jailbroken device too! But once you restore it, you're good to go.
Pls flashing wrong bootloader will brick the device right? Will Knox counter go away too?

guitarz said:
I think it makes sense if Samsung refuses to repair those phones with custom rom or rooted phone.
In my country, they said rooting or installing of custom firmwares will result in losing warranty. So I was wondering if this applied to other country as well?
Apple wouldn't service jailbroken device too! But once you restore it, you're good to go.
Pls flashing wrong bootloader will brick the device right? Will Knox counter go away too?
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Same stance in most countries, however they are using this excuse to not fix hardware faults that can't be related to software problems... This is NOT fair...
You can't at this time reset Knox counter...

They don't refuse tripped devices. You just have to pay the repair costs.
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ShadowLea said:
They don't refuse tripped devices. You just have to pay the repair costs.
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I've had devices returned not repaired and unwillimg to repair because it wasn't stock from my region. Maybe they just assume you will stiff yjem or something.
Something that can't possibly be affected by software should be replaced under warranty....

ShadowLea said:
They don't refuse tripped devices. You just have to pay the repair costs.
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yes. money talks if you play with the KNOX. if you are lucky, they will still take your device with payment. if you are not, sometimes they will just reject. it depends on which country you are.
ultramag69 said:
I've had devices returned not repaired and unwillimg to repair because it wasn't stock from my region. Maybe they just assume you will stiff yjem or something.
Something that can't possibly be affected by software should be replaced under warranty....
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agree, but for them, any modification to the software might affect the hardware
once you root your device, basically you can do most of the tweaks. And there might be ppl who don't know what they tweak, and end up affect the hardware. perhaps they just try to avoid these type of ppl.

Root note 4 WITHOUT Tripping KNOX???

Will be in the near future a way to Root The Note 4 WITHOUT Tripping KNOX? I want to root but don't want to loose my warranty.
Is it possible???

i doubt it if so it will be months away but rooting alone does not void Warranty

Uniquebarbee said:
i doubt it if so it will be months away but rooting alone does not void Warranty
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Are you sure about this?

pedmond said:
Are you sure about this?
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From what i've read it's supposed to void your warranty, yet there's people who say they've had warranty repairs carried out with KNOX tripped, so it's pot luck as far as i tell

Have them explain how tripping knox broke your hardware.
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I work for an authorized Samsung Service Center in Canada and we do not check knox fuse when you bring your device in. Just make sure it's unrooted before you bring it in not to make things too obvious

There must be someone like the dev who create towelroot that didnt trip knox for note3 and previous versions.
Am using it on my tab note 2014 edition.

Honestly, atm it's too risky to root with tripping KNOX and then hope that your warranty service won't care about that. It's a 50/50. Waiting for a non-KNOX root.

If you're in the EU with all the many consumer protection laws, I doubt Samsung would get away with not repairing a hardware fault on a device unless they can prove it's because you rooted.
I'd soon be taking them to a small claims court if my now unrooted phone screws up within two years and they refused to repair or replace (I tripped knox)
knox being a hardware fuse is simply a shameful attempt by Samsung to claim you have modified the hardware and therefore voiding your warranty.
Just root if you really want it, like people have said before, most repair centres don't care if the knox fuse had been changed.

Would Knox will be tripped if I install stock firmware through Odin?

captainbirdseye86 said:
If you're in the EU with all the many consumer protection laws, I doubt Samsung would get away with not repairing a hardware fault on a device unless they can prove it's because you rooted.
I'd soon be taking them to a small claims court if my now unrooted phone screws up within two years and they refused to repair or replace (I tripped knox)
knox being a hardware fuse is simply a shameful attempt by Samsung to claim you have modified the hardware and therefore voiding your warranty.
Just root if you really want it, like people have said before, most repair centres don't care if the knox fuse had been changed.
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Hmm, here in Lithuania, my almost 2 yr old, heavily modified S3's SIM reading died (EFS partition R.I.P) and they said they won't repair it because of obvious reasons. I forgot to unroot though. That's why I'm really scared to touch my N4 yet.

Just make sure you unroot flash a stock firmware if you have to repair your phone for some reason. Who needs KNOX anyways

Uniquebarbee said:
Just make sure you unroot flash a stock firmware if you have to repair your phone for some reason. Who needs KNOX anyways
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Don't you think those 'professional' guys check KNOX before doing anything?

Actually if you still want to retain warranty status I would suggest to root after 8-9 months(assuming it's 1yr warranty) after getting the phone. If you can maintain that long without going to service centre, I'm certain that one would not need to visit a service centre after rooting the phone.
That way 8-9 mnths from now more developments would have been released and you'll have more things to try out without the need of going to a service centre.

I'm not sure what professional guys you speak of but the carriers service center does not care when fixing your phone as long as you return to stock firmware before you turn it in. So you could always wait for eternity

Uniquebarbee said:
I'm not sure what professional guys you speak of but the carriers service center does not care when fixing your phone as long as you return to stock firmware before you turn it in. So you could always wait for eternity
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By professional I meant carriers service. So basically once my phone, god let that not happen, breaks, I just install non-rooted firmware with ODIN and I'm good to go?

Yes :good:

Uniquebarbee said:
Yes :good:
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Well I'ma trust you on this one, let the customization begin!

:good: ^5 welcome to the darkside

I'm not rooted yet but am considering it once a few more weeks pass.
If something's fundamentally wrong with the hardware, it should manifest within a month, I'd like to think. Plus, I've never had a phone need repairs in the past. Which obviously bears no relation to this one going bad or not.
I doubt there'll be a ton of ROM choices for the Duos version but Play Store, Titanium, and Nandroids are nice to have.
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Does Knox really affect warranty?

Just got off with samsung support and the agent told me knox being 0x1 won't affect the warranty. I'm probably going to root anyways, but if anyone has any actual experiences with samsung and a 0x1 warranty, would you care to share?

Iffy... to say the least. I would of got what they said in writing lol

Ausboy 2011 said:
Iffy... to say the least. I would of got what they said in writing lol
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exactly what i did, well not exactly writing, but typing is close enough. Having issues rooting atm, keep getting nand write start failed with chainroots method. I have the SMN910U

If they can prove the software caused the problems then they can outright refuse to fix it under warranty if the KNOX flag is 0x1.
So if it's just Root running on Stock Sammy it should be fine, however a custom rom on the other hand they will most likely just say it's a software issue and refuse to fix anything wrong.

Fuzzi99 said:
If they can prove the software caused the problems then they can outright refuse to fix it under warranty if the KNOX flag is 0x1.
So if it's just Root running on Stock Sammy it should be fine, however a custom rom on the other hand they will most likely just say it's a software issue and refuse to fix anything wrong.
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Thanks for the insight, I have only had one warranty incident with Samsung. I had to send in my note 3 (same day I got it, so it wasn't even setup). The warranty repair was a breeze though.

just rooted my phone and am noticing some major lag here and there. Anyone else?

Comment for visibility. I need to know this aswell

Fuzzi99 said:
If they can prove the software caused the problems then they can outright refuse to fix it under warranty if the KNOX flag is 0x1.
So if it's just Root running on Stock Sammy it should be fine, however a custom rom on the other hand they will most likely just say it's a software issue and refuse to fix anything wrong.
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Hey bud, I got my Note 4 from NZ and you think if I root my note 4, if there are problems with it, would the NZ Samsung team fix it?

cwk8412 said:
Hey bud, I got my Note 4 from NZ and you think if I root my note 4, if there are problems with it, would the NZ Samsung team fix it?
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unless they can prove the software caused an issue, or you just happen to a rep that is a stickler for the rules it should be fine

it depends on which samsung service center.

Depends on a lot of things, but mainly on the rep you get (if he's anal or not) and the kind of problem you wanna fix. If it's a hardware problem 99% of the time a 0x1 wont be a problem. Software may be another story. My advice? if you care about the warranty, don't root. Personally my devices last less than 6 months with me anyway so I root the second I get it (after I check everythings working of course).

It depends on the service centre and the general Samsung policies in each country. In the UK I've had my tablet repaired twice with Knox 0x1. First time the screen completely died, second time I had problems with the back cover and glue behind the screen (from the bad first repair). Both times nobody mentioned anything about Knox. Not to mention the tablet was running a stock 4.4.2 firmware not yet available in the UK.
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my first note 4 was rooted and knox warranty change to 0x1 from 0x0 after some days using 5 or more pixels died and send it to service center and swap my phone with new note 4 by new warranty duration
in this case defeated knox by rooting dose not affect on warranty

iridaki said:
It depends on the service centre and the general Samsung policies in each country. In the UK I've had my tablet repaired twice with Knox 0x1. First time the screen completely died, second time I had problems with the back cover and glue behind the screen (from the bad first repair). Both times nobody mentioned anything about Knox. Not to mention the tablet was running a stock 4.4.2 firmware not yet available in the UK.
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That's good to hear. Did you use an authorised repair centre (and if so, which one?) or send it in to Samsung directly?
When I asked a local repair centre, they were adamant that knox or rooting would void warranty as far as they were concerned. It all seems to be pot luck depending on who you speak to. E.g. here's a response from a Samsung representative on Facebook saying the same thing: https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileUK/posts/651768151530771, but some others have also reported they've had success in getting repairs under warranty.

smar said:
That's good to hear. Did you use an authorised repair centre (and if so, which one?) or send it in to Samsung directly?
When I asked a local repair centre, they were adamant that knox or rooting would void warranty as far as they were concerned. It all seems to be pot luck depending on who you speak to. E.g. here's a response from a Samsung representative on Facebook saying the same thing: https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileUK/posts/651768151530771, but some others have also reported they've had success in getting repairs under warranty.
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I filed a repair request online, Samsung sent a package with prepaid post, put my tablet and charger in and took it to the post office. I believe it went somewhere in England, even though I live in Scotland. So, yeah, I sent it directly to Samsung.
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don't lose warranty

Hi, the s5 is my first Samsung mobile.
I'd like to know if it is possible to flash a custom rom and get back to the original one in order to have eventually the mobile repaired.
Thank you

There is a thing called Knox, this will be tripped permanently (0x1). But this in europe can't stop Samsung repairing the phone (and also possibly in america).

Um......hate to disagree, but Samsung have told me directly that a knox tripped phone is NOT covered by warranty.....and I live in the UK which last time I checked was still part of Europe......
See posts 7, 18 &19 of this thread.......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2996873
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EU law states they cannot do this. They might be difficult but by law cannot refuse to repair unless can prove the modification is the cause of the fault.

lynxblaine said:
EU law states they cannot do this. They might be difficult but by law cannot refuse to repair unless can prove the modification is the cause of the fault.
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That's the way I saw it too......
But you've seen the email replies they sent to me in that thread......It seems pretty 'cut and dried' to me.......
Just a shame that members of the Legal Profession don't seem to be members here......could do with a 'cast iron' legal perspective of this.......
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http://matija.suklje.name/rooting-and-flashing-your-device-does-not-void-the-warranty-in-eu
I would say that there could be a class action lawsuit (or UK equivilent) against Samsung for all the people who have been refused repair wrongly.

Lol....In an ideal world maybe.......but what legal company would be prepared take on a multi national, multi billion dollar organisation like Samsung who probably have their own 'in house' legal department......and who would pay for it?
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Well, I tripped my Knox 0X1 and for some reason had black screen and even with the root and all of that my carrier here in Mexico replaced my phone for a brand new one
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moonisalove said:
Well, I tripped my Knox 0X1 and for some reason had black screen and even with the root and all of that my carrier here in Mexico replaced my phone for a brand new one
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Ya, carriers will usually replace phones with no hassles providing you bring it to them within their specified return time frame. I'm in Canada and the major TelCo here, whose logo is red, replaced my S4 when I brought it to them, mind you the phone didn't have Knox yet.

What are people doing with their phones after they trip KNOX?

Keep it forever? Sell it to someone who knows KNOX is tripped? Don't tell the buyer?? haha
IDK..only problem I have with rooting the Samsung, resell value once KNOX is tripped?
Just wondering...Thanks. I never see any reseller with a pre-owned phone claim they rooted the phone and tripped KNOX and are selling it.

I can't trip KNOX on my S10+ as I have a U.S. snapdragon variant. However, I did trip it on my old Galaxy S3. I just kept the thing.

techlogik said:
Keep it forever? Sell it to someone who knows KNOX is tripped? Don't tell the buyer?? haha
IDK..only problem I have with rooting the Samsung, resell value once KNOX is tripped?
Just wondering...Thanks. I never see any reseller with a pre-owned phone claim they rooted the phone and tripped KNOX and are selling it.
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Hey,
i've sold my galaxy S7 two days ago. the only thing you have to do is to point out the tripped knox and the consequences. If someone isnt happy with it, GTFO
Since im rooting all my phones i dont really care about warranty. I'm living in Europe. They cant deny repair just for some software modifications due to EU-Law.
But in general im rooting for AdAway, Swift Backup, debloat my phone (YES its 2019 and im still doing it) and modify some system things (or try it )
If you're concerned about warranty or resell prices, dont root it. It lowers the price for sure since mobile paying gets more and more important and you cant use SPay after unlocking.