I was curious which had better video. My GoPro hero3 Black or my shiny new Note 4. So I attached them to a board and took some side by side video. I feel like the GoPro still wins but it is close and the Note 4 does a lot of things better, Especially OIS. Anyway, what do you guys think. Sorry I don't have the Hero 4 black yet.
http://youtu.be/LdLsR_VbB8E
http://youtu.be/PN2iuNgMbBw
Great thread! The images are definitely sharper on the Note. It seems the GoPro has a higher exposure and a wider lens. Slow motion, the Note appears much slower but GoPro, again, has more to see around the subject. I think if we go 4k, there won't be a challenge lol A real technical comparison would be great.
Actually after watching these videos again. I think the image stabilization on the Note 4 makes for a better video over all. I'm tempted to buy one of these, http://www.amazon.com/Magollc-TM-Waterproof-Shockproof-Crashproof/dp/B00NOO74VM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1414165936&sr=8-2&keywords=waterproof+note+4+case for when I'm goofing off around water and don't want to bring my GoPro. Add in the fact that the GoPro doesn't have a camera that can do 4k in 30fps and has a view finder, really makes the Note 4 the better camera. If someone has the Hero4 Black, I would love to see a side by side 1080p in 120 fps and 4k.
I tried a head to head shooting 4k. It isn't a fair comparison cause my GoPro only shoots 4k at 15fps, but it shows just how much better 4k shooting has gotten.
http://youtu.be/2IIlEYf76V4
http://youtu.be/6yCD6c-s11s
Sony and others big corp. with big R&D cant keep up and outsell GoPro. Why?
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Sony and others big corp. with big R&D cant keep up and outsell GoPro. Why?
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GoPro does one thing and they do it well that's why.
I wish Samsung would widen the field of view on their cameras. That is the only complaint that I have had about their smartphone cameras since the Galaxy s II. It is surprising that we have a smaller FOV on our phone than competitors with smaller camera footprints. Namely, iphone, htc m8, z3. Look at the rear camera module on those devices and the lens isn't as big as ours, yet they all have a larger FOV. I think Samsung should reduce the amount of space around the camera modules as I see no benefit to it.
**** Go Pro. Might as well strap a **** to you head and run around. No one cares about your nature hike hippie.
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**** Go Pro. Might as well strap a **** to you head and run around. No one cares about your nature hike hippie.
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ROTFLMAO!
Background
While the Z5 has demonstrated that it can take good daytime photos and excellent video (thanks to its closed-loop actuator), low-light performance has been a concern, due to a lack of OIS and its smaller pixels.
I had the opportunity to borrow an LG G4 to test low-light conditions with the Z5. Testing took a while, as I needed to understand the different scene selections of the Z5's Superior Auto mode. I chose two classic, well-known, posters for the basis of the analysis: Star Wars - The Empire Strikes Back and Breakfast at Tiffany's. The posters feature both artwork and text, which should provide a good mix of characteristics for comparison. Also, the posters can easily be found online, so no reference photos were necessary.
Test conditions
The SW:ESB poster was lit from a single, overhead, incandecent light bulb (60 watt), which was roughly 10 ft/3 m away. The Breakfast at Tiffany's poster had no nearby light source - the light comes from the next room over 20+ ft/ 7+ m away.
All photos were taken in automatic mode for both phones. The Z5 was set to 8 MP in 16:9 ratio. I had tried set up the photos to look as similar as possible.
Camera setup
The SW:ESB night pics were taken while sitting down. The Z5 photos are as follows:
a) Night mode icon (i.e. moon icon)
b) Night mode icon + tripod icon
c) Night mode icon + tripod icon, phone holder stabilized (not hand-held)
The Breakfast at Tiffany's pics were taken while standing up, with arms in an elevated position. This is was due to the fact that the poster was mounted higher on the wall. It should represent the Z5's worse case scenario, as there was no way to stay completely steady due to the awkward posture and poor lighting.
Note: I had to re-take the Breakfast at Tiffany's photo, as I discovered that the initial photo had moved the focus to the top of the poster, due to face detection. I manually adjusted the focus rather than cut off Audrey's elegant face. When face detection icon was not on screen, the low-light icon (i.e. candle icon) would come on.
Link to photos (7-zipped):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2Put-ePeAktZXE4YkxpNmhmWUk
The photos have not been edited in any way, other than to rename the files. I will leave the photos up for a couple of weeks. If you are reading this post after November 2015, and would like a link to the pics, please send me a PM.
Conclusion
OIS definitely helped with the low-light pics. The difference in detail was due to blurring, not MPs as far I could tell. In better lighting conditions or when stabilized, the Z5 and G4 had the same level of detail. The G4 pics became more and more "washed out" as the light level dropped, which was probably due to its smaller sensor.
Kids vs. stills: For quick snaps of people in moderate-to-low lighting, the Z5 was better, due to face detection. OIS couldn't do much to help. G4 had a lot more blurred photos, but when it wasn't blurred, the quality was good.
So why choose the Z5 (without OIS)? For the video recording. Once you've tried taking FHD videos with the Z5, you'll probably never go back to using OIS. Try it in the store... take a walk, jump up and down, shake it all around. It's pretty dang amazing.
Anyway, I hope the pics and the comparison were helpful.
Cheers!
Wrong title These are 'night mode' shots with decent amount of light. How about some real low-light shots (low-light mode/ high ISO) ?
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Wrong title These are 'night mode' shots with decent amount of light. How about some real low-light shots (low-light mode/ high ISO) ?
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Gah... I don't have the G4 to test with anymore. I didn't say it was "dinner by candle light". But I'll change the title a bit.
Cool. It'd have been real fun to see some blackouts from G4 (like I regularly do from S6 ) in 'low-light'
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Cool. It'd have been real fun to see some blackouts from G4 (like I regularly do from S6 ) in 'low-light'
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Can you please explain what you mean by "blackouts"?
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Cool. It'd have been real fun to see some blackouts from G4 (like I regularly do from S6 ) in 'low-light'
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Yeah, I noticed the G4's pics got darker rather quickly as the lights went down. Didn't think anyone was interested to see washed out Z5 pics vs. pitch-black G4 pics! xD But I think we need to really test the Z5 outdoors at night with a tripod and see what it's capable of. Anyone live in a big city with a good night life? Tim?
BTW, anyone see these night pics from Zoë Noble?
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/09/04/berlinmoments-part2-zoe-noble-on-berlins-nightscapes/
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Can you please explain what you mean by "blackouts"?
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Now that OP has changed the title, it's become irrelevant. Before he kills me ... I meant the pictures you get when the sensor is pushed to its limit in low-light. It's not a standard term, btw lol
Some extreme examples
http://i0.wp.com/fortheloveoftech.c...4/10/wp_20141016_19_14_30_pro.jpg?fit=810,810
http://i1.wp.com/fortheloveoftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/dsc_0010.jpg?fit=810,810
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Yeah, I noticed the G4's pics got darker rather quickly as the lights went down. Didn't think anyone was interested to see washed out Z5 pics vs. pitch-black G4 pics! xD But I think we need to really test the Z5 outdoors at night with a tripod and see what it's capable of. Anyone live in a big city with a good night life? Tim?
BTW, anyone see these night pics from Zoë Noble?
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/09/04/berlinmoments-part2-zoe-noble-on-berlins-nightscapes/
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At the very extreme end, Xperia outputs will wash out. But couple stops before that Xperia will get you a usable output while the others will still remain pitch-black. Try it out when you get a chance.
I will do it (without a tripod - you kidding right). I live downtown & I got tired of taking night shots long time ago. Next weekend - hopefully.
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Now that OP has changed the title, it's become irrelevant. Before he kills me ... I meant the pictures you get when the sensor is pushed to its limit in low-light. It's not a standard term, btw lol
Some extreme examples
http://i0.wp.com/fortheloveoftech.c...4/10/wp_20141016_19_14_30_pro.jpg?fit=810,810
http://i1.wp.com/fortheloveoftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/dsc_0010.jpg?fit=810,810
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At the very extreme end, Xperia outputs will wash out. But couple stops before that Xperia will get you a usable output while the others will still remain pitch-black. Try it out when you get a chance.
I will do it (without a tripod - you kidding right). I live downtown & I got tired of taking night shots long time ago. Next weekend - hopefully.
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I see. Thanks!
Here is my indoor(metro) and night shot(outdoor) campaign of S6 vs. Z5c. All are shared in it's original size without editing other than renaming.
S6:
FHD - Software stabilization disabled, OIS enabled(can't be disable)
UHD - OIS enabled(can't be disable)
Z5c:
FHD - IA software stabilization on
UHD - Standard steadyshot on
All photo and video were shot by stock camera handheld. Sony only allowed to pack ISO in 8MP Manual so all are in 8MP from 100iso to 3200iso, skipped testing 50iso bcoz 100iso already super easy to create handshake. S6 were all from Pro mode(standard auto mode can't select ISO) range from 100iso to 800iso, max is 800 from Samsung offered, can't go higher in Pro mode though sometimes the auto mode could boost up to 1000ISO.
Some photo got little handshake and I've no time to just keep repeat shooting. In my experiences, S6 easily beats Z5c in terms of handshake and focus performance(at very low light S6 focus is superior, more faster and accurate). Indeed, many photo from Z5c been shot for a couple of times to try to get best result and almost all S6 photo were just taken in one shot(no more than two).
S6 got very good quality of video as well as photo, I think the OIS is quite helpful for the video part too. I'll probably add Z5c/S6 fast walking video today or tomorrow when I've free time to do more testing.
S6 link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJUXF0bUlmcklhLVE&usp=sharing
Z5c link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJYjdOcEJPUHJORjQ&usp=sharing
My Z5c is bootloader locked with DRM key so it's still with the low-light denoise algorithm. I may unlock it soon. My S6 with ISOCell, not Sony IMX240 sensor.
TheEndHK said:
Here is my indoor(metro) and night shot(outdoor) campaign of S6 vs. Z5c. All are shared in it's original size without editing other than renaming.
S6:
FHD - Software stabilization disabled, OIS enabled(can't be disable)
UHD - OIS enabled(can't be disable)
Z5c:
FHD - IA software stabilization on
UHD - Standard steadyshot on
All photo and video were shot by stock camera handheld. Sony only allowed to pack ISO in 8MP Manual so all are in 8MP from 100iso to 3200iso, skipped testing 50iso bcoz 100iso already super easy to create handshake. S6 were all from Pro mode(standard auto mode can't select ISO) range from 100iso to 800iso, max is 800 from Samsung offered, can't go higher in Pro mode though sometimes the auto mode could boost up to 1000ISO.
Some photo got little handshake and I've no time to just keep repeat shooting. In my experiences, S6 easily beats Z5c in terms of handshake and focus performance(at very low light S6 focus is superior, more faster and accurate). Indeed, many photo from Z5c been shot for a couple of times to try to get best result and almost all S6 photo were just taken in one shot(no more than two).
S6 got very good quality of video as well as photo, I think the OIS is quite helpful for the video part too. I'll probably add Z5c/S6 fast walking video today or tomorrow when I've free time to do more testing.
S6 link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJUXF0bUlmcklhLVE&usp=sharing
Z5c link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJYjdOcEJPUHJORjQ&usp=sharing
My Z5c is bootloader locked with DRM key so it's still with the low-light denoise algorithm. I may unlock it soon. My S6 with ISOCell, not Sony IMX240 sensor.
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Thanks for this! I'm sure many appreciate the efforts
Though I'm not sure if its just me, but honestly, I prefer the pics from the Z5. For me, the colors / the overall photo itself looks "natural" or more "realistic". Of course, I do not know the actual colors / conditions of what it really looked like but the colors of the S6 seem to be too artificial (and more orangey / redder tint to most of them).
Just my 2 cents though.
bloodfire1004 said:
Thanks for this! I'm sure many appreciate the efforts
Though I'm not sure if its just me, but honestly, I prefer the pics from the Z5. For me, the colors / the overall photo itself looks "natural" or more "realistic". Of course, I do not know the actual colors / conditions of what it really looked like but the colors of the S6 seem to be too artificial (and more orangey / redder tint to most of them).
Just my 2 cents though.
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You'll need to download all stuffs and check it out on a big PC screen. S6 color can be more better because the default is over. I always preset lower one stepping of saturation and color temp in Pro mode but this time I just let it run default so the result got worse.
If you check the threads on this board, I've said it a dozen times that Sony got better color(my taste) and that is why I buy the Z5c while I already own a S6. In fact, S6 is over whilst Z5c color is also a bit off(under/lower) but just more close to the real scene.
Speaking to the details part, S6 just win hands down without any doubt.
bloodfire1004 said:
Thanks for this! I'm sure many appreciate the efforts
Though I'm not sure if its just me, but honestly, I prefer the pics from the Z5. For me, the colors / the overall photo itself looks "natural" or more "realistic". Of course, I do not know the actual colors / conditions of what it really looked like but the colors of the S6 seem to be too artificial (and more orangey / redder tint to most of them).
Just my 2 cents though.
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The histogram shows the Z5 is more accurate. Viewed a couple of the photos and resizing the S6 photos to match the res and aspect ratio of the Z5c (2448x3264) show the Z5c often delivers more detail but also a bit more 'fine' grain vs blurrier and noiser (noise blurred out but still visible as blotches) S6 photos (depending on ISO level). Also several photos have a photo (PhotoME exif reader) time date with a difference of 15-20 minutes between each camera and same shooting location..
Here is a crop from both at 2448x3264 and with aspect ratio correction. This is from the S6/Z5 ISO 800 comparision. Top is S6, bottom is Z5c. Photo crops from HKs comparision.
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The histogram shows the Z5 is more accurate. Viewed a couple of the photos and resizing the S6 photos to match the res and aspect ratio of the Z5c (2448x3264) show the Z5c often delivers more detail but also a bit more 'fine' grain vs blurrier and noiser (noise blurred out but still visible as blotches) S6 photos (depending on ISO level). Also several photos have a photo (PhotoME exif reader) time date with a difference of 15-20 minutes between each camera and same shooting location..
Here is a crop from both at 2448x3264 and with aspect ratio correction. This is from the S6/Z5 ISO 800 comparision. Top is S6, bottom is Z5c. Photo crops from HKs comparision.
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Excuse me Sir. Do you actually know what are you speaking? You always blame S6 got strong noise reduction but when you found noises there you also said that S6 is too bad to has noise.
Sony is all good in your mind even there are indeed more flat area in photo but you'll just think that some noises to simulate fine grain so it's all good.....
To be honest, I've also played a lots of video stuffs, I was a video lover. The film grain isn't real using in this way. In the old days video encoding technologies were not yet mature, the encoder did remove too much things from the source and people was trying to apply some noises in flat area to fraud human eye but this method should not use again in recent year. Some others were trying to simulate old Film noises for special purpose though.
The environment is total stable and it won't change the result after 15 - 20mins like day time so it is meaningless to mention about this, I'm not only focusing to take photo because my friends whatsapp me. Furthermore, the Z5c is freaking hard to get good result in such low light condition, some scenes were actually been taken 4 to 5 times to try to get one with good result. S6 was almost all done in one shot.
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Here is my indoor(metro) and night shot(outdoor) campaign of S6 vs. Z5c. All are shared in it's original size without editing other than renaming.
S6:
FHD - Software stabilization disabled, OIS enabled(can't be disable)
UHD - OIS enabled(can't be disable)
Z5c:
FHD - IA software stabilization on
UHD - Standard steadyshot on
All photo and video were shot by stock camera handheld. Sony only allowed to pack ISO in 8MP Manual so all are in 8MP from 100iso to 3200iso, skipped testing 50iso bcoz 100iso already super easy to create handshake. S6 were all from Pro mode(standard auto mode can't select ISO) range from 100iso to 800iso, max is 800 from Samsung offered, can't go higher in Pro mode though sometimes the auto mode could boost up to 1000ISO.
Some photo got little handshake and I've no time to just keep repeat shooting. In my experiences, S6 easily beats Z5c in terms of handshake and focus performance(at very low light S6 focus is superior, more faster and accurate). Indeed, many photo from Z5c been shot for a couple of times to try to get best result and almost all S6 photo were just taken in one shot(no more than two).
S6 got very good quality of video as well as photo, I think the OIS is quite helpful for the video part too. I'll probably add Z5c/S6 fast walking video today or tomorrow when I've free time to do more testing.
S6 link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJUXF0bUlmcklhLVE&usp=sharing
Z5c link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJYjdOcEJPUHJORjQ&usp=sharing
My Z5c is bootloader locked with DRM key so it's still with the low-light denoise algorithm. I may unlock it soon. My S6 with ISOCell, not Sony IMX240 sensor.
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While an instructive and very interesting comparison, we do loose a bit of something by dealing with differing Fields of View. Some of the loss of detailing that you might otherwise put down to the sensor or software is actually far more about the focus of the lens on the sensor. To see what the detail reproduction is more accurately, we could do with seeing the two framed identically (IE, taking half a step nearer with the Z5 when taking the shot to correct for the different lens).
While I hate to put you to more trouble, could you have a go at this at all? Thanks
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Here is my indoor(metro) and night shot(outdoor) campaign of S6 vs. Z5c. All are shared in it's original size without editing other than renaming.
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S6 got very good quality of video as well as photo, I think the OIS is quite helpful for the video part too. I'll probably add Z5c/S6 fast walking video today or tomorrow when I've free time to do more testing.
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Ah, Hong Kong... been there several times. Sorry, but I hate to say it, the video quality on the S6 was not very good. Maybe when standing still it's good, but as soon as you started panning, the video was jittery. In FHD, the Z5 was completely smooth. In 4K, both videos were jittery.
If you're going to critical of the Z5, you should be at least as critical about the S6's poor video performance. You live in HK... a fast paced city. Hold it up and walk around with the crowd, take it on the bus, go up and down the subways stairs. Don't use the Z5 and take video like it's an S6 - judge it on its own merit. If you've ever tried to keep up with a child and record video, you'd know what I mean!
Thanks for the vids and photos... I'll check out the photos later.
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You'll need to download all stuffs and check it out on a big PC screen. S6 color can be more better because the default is over. I always preset lower one stepping of saturation and color temp in Pro mode but this time I just let it run default so the result got worse.
If you check the threads on this board, I've said it a dozen times that Sony got better color(my taste) and that is why I buy the Z5c while I already own a S6. In fact, S6 is over whilst Z5c color is also a bit off(under/lower) but just more close to the real scene.
Speaking to the details part, S6 just win hands down without any doubt.
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Okay, I've gone through the pics, comparing both sets of pics side-by-side. First thing I noted was that a few of the Z5 pics were actually less blurry than the S6. LOL! I think I could have done better with the G4.
At 100% size, the Z5 and S6 had nearly the same level of detail across the pics, except for a few pics where either the S6 or Z5 was clearly blurred. The Z5 had smaller text because of the FOV, but it wasn't any harder to read.
I thought the S6 would be the clear winner with OIS, but the pics look very close in quality. Z5 should have slightly better colours, but I can't tell without neutral reference pics. I think you should have spent more time stabilizing the S6. From your pics and video, I'd choose the Z5, since the only thing that's clearly better from the two sets was the Z5's FHD video. xD
Now that I've had the Z5 for a couple of weeks, here are my thoughts:
Here on XDA, we tend to get overly technical (no, really?), so I've been thinking about how a "normal" person would decide to get and use the Z5. I bought the Z5 based on early impressions of its video performance and technical details of the new camera system (dat closed-loop actuator). After taking some family vids running around the house, I'd say it works as advertised.
But it was my SO's reaction (a non-geek) that was more telling. She was curious how the videos would turn out, as I barely paid attention to the phone while it was taking videos. She was impressed and commented that it was so smooth that it looked "professional". As any family man knows, having the "other half" onboard with a tech purchase means life is good! Heh!
The photo quality? Frankly, she didn't notice much difference between the Z5, G4 or even my old Z Ultra. The G4's OIS didn't help much for impromptu pics of people. I had plenty of blurred indoor shots of moving faces with each phone. The Z5 did try harder with face detection and scene selection to get good pics, while the G4 was basically a straight dummy point-and-shoot. The G4's strength is in its manual mode, and in quick snap situations, there was no time to play with the settings. Ironically, I caught some of the best moments - not talking about colour or details - from the Z Ultra, as it was the camera I was most familiar with. LOL!
The Z5 is now my go-to camera for videos. I think anyone who wants to take good family or vacation videos (or even vloggers), the Z5 is probably the best choice for a phone. Personally, I'd still take a real camera on vacations for better pics and optical zoom. Gawd, nothing is more annoying than taking a pic of something and have it show up the size of a pinhead because I couldn't zoom in.
Fulfilling half of my pledge. Other phone died & bartender didn't serve me tripod or OIS this evening. So SA w/o tripod all the way.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/albums/72157659569050879/with/22496859817/
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Fulfilling half of my pledge. Other phone died & bartender didn't serve me tripod or OIS this evening. So SA w/o tripod all the way.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/albums/72157659569050879/with/22496859817/
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Good shots and a good example piece that demonstrates that you can get very good night shots from the Z5. I especially like the carriage.
As is my way, I've been looking through Flickr at S6 shots that random people have posted and have come across images like https://flic.kr/p/A14UVf and https://flic.kr/p/ytEfJq - both of which are noisier than a great many night shots and indoors night shots I've taken with my Z5. These are not isolated examples.
Not very scientific, I know, but it's evidence that getting good results is as much about the person behind the camera as it is about the camera itself. Those S6 shots aren't really any better than anything that the Z5 could produce: detail is relatively similar (though a little better with the S6, probably) and noise is higher. Compare that bar shot with one of mine in MUCH worse lighting (so much darker than the image produced): https://flic.kr/p/AHaxNj . Sure, the detail is smudgy but it is there and there is far less noise, to boot. Not saying that my image is perfect - anything but - but seeing the S6 bar shot above (Full of very ugly noise in an environment with many more light sources) makes me wonder just how much better the S6 would've handled that scene, if at all.
Some of my initial comparative shots.
Just my first day with Z5, and the shots are in difficult conditions sometimes, on purpose.
The Zoom is ok considering it was bad lighting.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsknZUGYc
Hey guys so I bought a Nexus 6P yesterday. Everything works good except the video camera, the 120/240 fps has a lots of grains, when I take it outside it dosent have much problem but I feel its not up to the mark of iphone.
Also when i change orientations from landscape to portrait it lags for a tiny second.
Is it normal to have this issue. Any ideas or fixes?
Similar thing on mine, grain is always there indoors in 240 fps, in 120 fps it's still acceptable (at least when there's some source of light. When i switch orientation on camera it only lags for a couple of tens of milliseconds, same as an iPhone.
So i'm assuming nothing's wrong with my phone
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Glad to know I'm not alone.. But it would have been cool if it worked all the time in great quality as I love taking slow mo videos. BTW I don't find the iPhone camera to lag at all .. They always seem to manage software better than anyone else.
I was thinking of getting this replaced but I'm afraid if the other one will come with more serious problems.
rythu_u said:
Hey guys so I bought a Nexus 6P yesterday. Everything works good except the video camera, the 120/240 fps has a lots of grains, when I take it outside it dosent have much problem but I feel its not up to the mark of iphone.
Also when i change orientations from landscape to portrait it lags for a tiny second.
Is it normal to have this issue. Any ideas or fixes?
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Grain is there, because you are shooting stuff indoors, and in 1/240 of a second you get little to none light in to the camera sensor. Also, comparing looks of the 720p footage between iPhone 720p-ish 5 inch screen vs. 2k 5.7 inch screen on Nexus 6p is pointless.
My point is, the footage will look worse on Nexus 6p because it has much bigger resolution and screen.
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Grain is there, because you are shooting stuff indoors, and in 1/240 of a second you get little to none light in to the camera sensor. Also, comparing looks of the 720p footage between iPhone 720p-ish 5 inch screen vs. 2k 5.7 inch screen on Nexus 6p is pointless.
My point is, the footage will look worse on Nexus 6p because it has much bigger resolution and screen.
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Yeah that does make sense. I guess I have been really picky on every tiny details of this phone. The stills shots are amazing in the dark
I currently own both the GS6 and GS7 so I thought I'd do a side by side comparison between the two cameras. If you're interested you can see the full resolution files here.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bz0WeUKyeOS4MVdvQ2hYQ29IYUU&usp=sharing
The files are named accordingly. I pretty much held the phones on top of each other so the FOV may be slightly different. Both phones were in "Auto" mode with the flash off and HDR set to auto.
As far as I can tell, they both have their strengths and weaknesses. I like the wider angle of the GS7 but the GS6 seems to retain much more detail even in lower light situations. The GS7 seems to apply a lot more noise reduction which blurs fine details. the GS7 has a much nicer bokeh (background blur) due to its larger aperture.
The S6 looks much better to me. Hopefully a software fix takes care of the camera.
So strange...
Thanks for the pics !
I prefer the S7 ones, looks better in most cases.
Plus faster focus, bigger FOV = :good:
A bit disappointing. Have the S7 Edge on order but this bunch of pictures really makes me wonder if I would cancel it. The detail is much nicer on the S6, the S7 smooths everything to a blur so the details disappear. Need to se more pictures from S7 users to really decide
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A bit disappointing. Have the S7 Edge on order but this bunch of pictures really makes me wonder if I would cancel it. The detail is much nicer on the S6, the S7 smooths everything to a blur so the details disappear. Need to se more pictures from S7 users to really decide
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It is a little disappointing after all the hype that Samsung made about the camera. I think it could be improved with firmware updates as the main issue seems to be the software noise reduction. They went too heavy with it and it blurs over fine details. It would be nice if they gave the user the ability to control it with "high/med/low" settings instead of just blasting it all over every picture.
In the end I'm OK with the camera, it takes good pictures and the wider angle, larger aperture makes it worth it. I wouldn't say the camera is WORSE than the S6 but it's not better either. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. the AF on the S7 is awwwwesome though.
it's strange how much bad it is... especially when you see the reviews (now 2 reviews exists and show results so different than this - a lot better).
Are you sur you have remove lens protection?
Wider angle? Am I missing something about the S7 camera? The 4:3 actually makes it a narrower angle, not wider (that would be 16:9)?
The format of the sensor has nothing to do with the angle, the focal length is the key. http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/basics/19/01.htm
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dills84 said:
It is a little disappointing after all the hype that Samsung made about the camera. I think it could be improved with firmware updates as the main issue seems to be the software noise reduction. They went too heavy with it and it blurs over fine details. It would be nice if they gave the user the ability to control it with "high/med/low" settings instead of just blasting it all over every picture.
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You forgot the "without" setting
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Wider angle? Am I missing something about the S7 camera? The 4:3 actually makes it a narrower angle, not wider (that would be 16:9)?
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The S7 has a wider field of view even with its 4:3 aspect ratio. If you crop an S7 image to 16:9 it looks like an S6 image.
first line of photos i think S7 is better, but in low light it looks like crap too much post processing, i wonder if there is a way to ask Sammy about it, if it software fault it can be easily fixed.
Photo 6 was a surprise for me, i expected the S7 better than the S6 in low light.. Maybe the EXIF data explains a bit why.
S6 photo 6 : Auto exposure, Program AE, 1/10 sec, f/1.9, ISO 500
S7 photo 6 : Auto exposure, Program AE, 1/25 sec, f/1.7, ISO 160
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Photo 6 was a surprise for me, i expected the S7 better than the S6 in low light.. Maybe the EXIF data explains a bit why.
S6 photo 6 : Auto exposure, Program AE, 1/10 sec, f/1.9, ISO 500
S7 photo 6 : Auto exposure, Program AE, 1/25 sec, f/1.7, ISO 160
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Yeah that's kind of my fault. I think the GS6 light metered the dark and the GS7 metered to the computer screen. I was holding both phones on top of each other to try to get the same image but I had the S6 slightly aimed down a bit.
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Yeah that's kind of my fault. I think the GS6 light metered the dark and the GS7 metered to the computer screen. I was holding both phones on top of each other to try to get the same image but I had the S6 slightly aimed down a bit.
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Yes, it looks like the S6 had the focus on the keyboard, and the S7 on the computer screen. That can explain the difference in lightning.
Interesting to note that in auto and default manual it goes for point metering (atleast by observed by some photos exif). Should be matrix metering else the metering will be measured on the surface you are aiming at in a very small box area. If it's dark it will most likely overexpose and if it's bright it will most likely underexpose and would require manual EV adjustment for correct exposure. This might explain why quite a lot of S7 photos just look bad and either overexposed or underexposed and lots of highlight clipping.
My (amateur) opinion is that when you want to compare low light photo's, the focus must be the same. In picture 6 you can see that the best. Do I have a point?
S6 wins because of the higher MP count you can zoom way more on the photo's on the s6 so again samsung kinda fails and doubt they can make it better with updates.
I did not pixel peep but on my screen the S7 pictures look better than S6 ones? More lights, higher dynamic, better focus?
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I did not pixel peep but on my screen the S7 pictures look better than S6 ones? More lights, higher dynamic, better focus?
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But but but... i can zoom in more!
RiTCHiE007 said:
S6 wins because of the higher MP count you can zoom way more on the photo's on the s6 so again samsung kinda fails and doubt they can make it better with updates.
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Im sure they can make the s6 focus faster with an update, or increase the sensor size with an update... just leave ok.
Hey all. I have a Note 7. I am considering this phone as a replacement. How is the camera on auto? I've heard it's not good. How does it compare to Note 7 auto?
I switched from Note 7 to V20.
It works fine. But HDR is nowhere near as good as Samsung.
The N7 wins hands down in the camera department. If the camera is important to you, the S7 and S7 Edge has similar sensors.
BozQ said:
I switched from Note 7 to V20.
It works fine. But HDR is nowhere near as good as Samsung.
The N7 wins hands down in the camera department. If the camera is important to you, the S7 and S7 Edge has similar sensors.
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Camera is important but screen size is more important. S7 edge is too small. I've heard the camera on manual is much better than auto. Is this true? If so how can I learn how to use camera in manual mode?
S7 Edge is what? 5.5 inch? Not a whole lot smaller than Note 7.
Full manual may produce desirable results, and the V20 also allows you to save in RAW format. However, to understand manual mode is to learn how to take pictures with a DSLR. Something I will not go into detail here. You have to find your own resource.
Try searching "Elements of Photography" app in the Google Play store. Pay for the full content inside, and learn about photography with a real camera.
It's important to understand the "Exposure Triangle" before proceeding to take pictures in Manual Mode.
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Camera is important but screen size is more important. S7 edge is too small. I've heard the camera on manual is much better than auto. Is this true? If so how can I learn how to use camera in manual mode?
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It's actually really easy to learn manual photography with the V20 as it gives you a lot of instant feedback, even before you take a photo. Just flip it over to manual and start playing. If you set it too dark, you'll see it on the screen before you click the shutter. Too light? Same deal. Aperture is locked down. The only two exposure parameters you have to play with are shutter speed and ISO. Essentially, if one goes up, the other goes down. Other than that, you have focus if you want. That has a guide built in called focus peaking which highlights what is in focus as you adjust the slider. WB is the other part and you can leave that on auto as most cameras do a decent job. Sometimes it is good to override it though since it is going to make whites white even if they weren't necessarily white in the environment shot. Give it a go. The V20 makes it very easy to learn.