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I am going to London for a few days and want to buy XDA II. I have spoken with a shop in London and they said that they have it in stock and start selling on 1 November. I need a piece of advice from those who live in UK. I was told that the phone will be sold with a contract only.
1. In order to buy a contracted phone, do I need only ID and credit card or I need a permanent address in the UK as well?
2. What is O2 policy on early contract termination? I could not find anything on their site.
3. If I pay cash and leave the country does it mean that I am not paying early contract termination fee since they do not have my credit card number and I am not the UK resident?
4. Any ideas how to buy XDA II in the UK at minimum price in my situation?
Many thanks.
I bought the XDA online.... (original)
When I went to register it with O2 they checked through the deal I did with the link....
If I had not confirmed the registration when I purchased the device I would have been billed the full amount after a certain time.
If you buy a phone they will run a credit check including where you worked last....
If you terminate early I know many people that have been billed the full price.
sorry but it appears you have no option here. catch 22 situation...
hope that helps.
Ian.
Sorry my English is not that good. What 22 situation means?
What if I ask a friend of mine who lives in UK to register on his name, can I pay with my own credit card or it must be his credit card? In this way I would pay the charges for early contract termination from my card. Depends how much it is à course. Anybody knows how much O2 charges for early contract termination?
catch 22 - from the film by the same name... I think
basically you do it one way... you get screwed, you do it the other... you get screwed.
If you get your friend to register it you might be able to get the registration transferred over but your friend would be putting a hell of a lot of faith in you.
The cost for early contract termination is the cost of the phone without contract plus any extra charges O2 wish to lay on you. The XDAII is what £700 without contract? (speculative price)
either way, I wouldnt like to be you or your friend when you terminate the contract early.
sorry,
Ian.
I've got an idea. I ask my friend to put XDA on his card and purchase the insurance for the phone as well, while I pay cash back to him. Then I leave the UK and he reports XDA stolen or lost and gets a brand new XDA for himself for free.
Is it very illegal in UK to do in this way?
I would prefer a more legal way to get around.
errr it would be very illegal...
like insurance fraud illegal...
if it wasn't everyone would be doing it...
please dont suggest that here again... :shock:
I had a feeling that it's illegal
But is there a legal way??? I would appreciate if somebody will give an idea how to do it legally. Somehow a lot of phones are getting out of the coutries of origin, get unlocked and sold. So there should be a way I believe.
lol how could it not be illegal i mean they have to give him 2 phones at the price of one
if it were not who would stop people from doing the same thing with cars
and figtherplanes for that matter
Nestinar said:
Somehow a lot of phones are getting out of the coutries of origin, get unlocked and sold. So there should be a way I believe.
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Yeah thats because the supplier can source the items from other dealers (like when buying MS software)
but that usually doesnt happen until the item in question has been out for a few months... with the XDAII being so new their will likely be limited availibility... so I'd imagine getting one with a contract below the RRP O2 is selling it for will be hard enough never mind buying once cheap without a contract.
the phone when released is subsidised by the operator in the hopes they can make up development costs with the contract. They may begin to release phones to other parties after this time but they wont so close after the release date.
Ian.
P.S hence why that XDAII on ebay is so dodgy... where the hell did he get it from? (if he actually has it in the first place)
http://xda-developers.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3270&highlight=ebay
There are phones available really soon after the initial release in the country of origin and sold usually in small shops (not chain mobile shops). That means that somehow the phones are purchased somewhere at low cost with a contract (operator's logo on the phone) and then shipped outside the country, get unlocked and sold. Which is probably not 100% legal scheme but if they can do in bulk means that there is more or less legal way to do it.
O2 are like pitbulls when the go after their money. I dont think they will allow early termination, so add up 13 months at the chosen tariff, put that in an account then each month it will be drawn at the monthly tariff by O2, when 12 months expire give 1 month notice and thats it. If it still seems cheap this way then good luck. Regarding the insurance claim, the phone companies now demand a written statement from the police and the owner, they have got very upset at all the claims and investigate each claim. I dont think a phone, no matter how desirable is worth a criminal record.
What is the situation with existing O2 customers? How much existing customers pay for a new XDA II?
Let's say my friend is an existing O2 customer and he buys XDA II. Can he sell it then to me and use the old handset instead?
I need some help
Cor I wonder about some of the Posts I read here.
Can anyone help me out with the Keys and combination for the Store room at O2 head quaters.
All plans and electrical documentation along with type of cctv and alarm systems would also be helpful..
If you work there then perhaps you could leave all of the stock on the Road outside the rear door. Please post a note here to let me know this information
I assume that it would not be so bad if I just rob them directly rather than do it behind their back.
Is that Legal.?. after all I am not making some bad insurance claim.
.... Well I am laughing....
Great news if anyone is interested. I can deliver a Touch HD anywhere in continental US with shipping and insurance for $775.00. Paypal is the only payment method I would like to accept for protection of everyone. This is my way of contributing to this incredible website that has helped me so much over the last couple of years. I need 48 more people.
What's the ETA?
Latest update I have is last week of Nov. They are not getting to the UK till after the 20th.
Any chance of shipping to Australia? If so, will probably take 2.
I would prefer not to because I dont believe paypal verifies outside US. If you give me your address I can see about how much shipping would be.
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I would prefer not to because I dont believe paypal verifies outside US. If you give me your address I can see about how much shipping would be.
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As far as I knew they do. We have eBay Australia and PayPal is part of them now. I do all of my transactions through PayPal. Shipping would be to North Sydney, 2060, Australia. I now also have another friend thinking about getting one. So it could be 3 phones.
Also, no offence but how can you guarantee us that this is genuine?
Would you consider putting it up on Ebay? There's a rebate for buyers going on now, it's at 25% off today (it changes). You have to list it as Buy it Now and use Paypal. I assume you will add a few bucks to the price for listing fees etc.. but it would still cost us clost to $200 less, which would be a great deal, and you will get more people buying it.
Yeah I'd do eBay...
great!! on ebay then
let us know when you have posted on ebay.. even i will be interested..
Please make it a "buy it now" listing or "fixed price" listing, because the coupon is only applicable to those..
thanks.
i called Expansys and mobilecityonline and they have ebay accounts as well and are ready to put it on ebay.. will post more update when i call them tomorrow in the morning..
I'm also game for a Ebay with that discount! Count me in for "one".
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Would you consider putting it up on Ebay? There's a rebate for buyers going on now, it's at 25% off today (it changes). You have to list it as Buy it Now and use Paypal. I assume you will add a few bucks to the price for listing fees etc.. but it would still cost us clost to $200 less, which would be a great deal, and you will get more people buying it.
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Wow -- keep us updated on how to take advantage of this once it is up.
This phone will be PERFECT if they develop a radio for US 3G bands. Hopefully someone here will help with that.
Yeah guys I think I can do ebay but I did not want to since I dont have a solid delivery date yet. In fact no one in the US has yet. I also was really not trying to make much money on these, it was more to just get the devices to the users of this site.ou are more then welcome to contact me via phone or email if you have any questions. I normally do not do end user sales but thought I would try to save you guys some bucks since the markup on this device is pretty big. Let me look into ebay and see if it works out for me.
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Wow -- keep us updated on how to take advantage of this once it is up.
This phone will be PERFECT if they develop a radio for US 3G bands. Hopefully someone here will help with that.
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Dont hold your breath on 3G for us here in the US. Everything I have heard says it is a hardware issue not something that can be fixed with a radio rom or anything like that. But then again no one knows for sure right now. The p3600 was released without gps and then an update enabled the gps so it may be possible. We can keep our fingers crossed.
I live in NJ and I have decided to get this device whenever it is available. So please update on the situation in this post.
eBay or not, I'm still in.
Maybe edit the first post and keep a list of names as you get them and how many each person will be buying so we can see how far to go till we get enough buyers.
Put me down for one now, will confirm later whether I will take more than 1.
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As far as I knew they do. We have eBay Australia and PayPal is part of them now. I do all of my transactions through PayPal. Shipping would be to North Sydney, 2060, Australia. I now also have another friend thinking about getting one. So it could be 3 phones.
Also, no offence but how can you guarantee us that this is genuine?
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I live in Sydney too, and would join in this and make it four in Sydney. However, I will be visiting Singapore in early December, and might be able to get one there, I hope.
So when does the ebay discount code expire? OK let me see how we can do this ebay listing. Maybe a private auction only open to xda members. I need someone to help me keep track of how many people in the us and how many outside. Thanks for everyone willing to help me with the setup of ebay. Hopefully we can get the 50 that we need and then get start cooking and modding the newest toy from hTC.
I wouldn't hold your breath for a US 3G radio rom. If HTC doesn't release a US 3G version (which they said they won't), there simply won't be a US 3G radio rom -- and don't go around mixing roms from other devices!
As for the eBay discount, it's a Microsoft Live cashback promotion. It changes between 10%-30%, but there's no telling what it will be on any given day. A quick google will point you in the right direction.
Also, as fair warning, beware of eBay and Paypal's fees. Anything over US$500 and a decent chunk will get taken out.
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Latest update I have is last week of Nov. They are not getting to the UK till after the 20th.
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Thanks, I will decide in November.
I'm taking shipping from US to Canada at my expense won't be a problem...
I have let my wife know I want this device...now that I have a hard dollar figure, let me throw down my suck-up over the weekend. Keep me in mind, and reach via PM if necessary. I am 85% sure we will be purchasing at least one unit (maybe two...wife and I both have the Raphael).
Thanks
Hi,
I was thinking of having my uncle buy me an unlocked Samsung Focus in USA and bringing it to me in Norway.
I've noticed many people having problems getting the Focus without a contract, but it looks to me that you can buy one from AmazonWireless without one if you click "Phone only (no service)"? Or am I wrong?
Any other things that I should be aware of before buying the phone?
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Hi,
I was thinking of having my uncle buy me an unlocked Samsung Focus in USA and bringing it to me in Norway.
I've noticed many people having problems getting the Focus without a contract, but it looks to me that you can buy one from AmazonWireless without one if you click "Phone only (no service)"? Or am I wrong?
Any other things that I should be aware of before buying the phone?
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well, i bought mine there, but your billing address must be on US (i just put the shipping address on the billing address,the only legit data was my CC and expiration date)
it worked, but i shipped it to an US address. i dont have confirmation from my friend yet, but i got charged and the package tracking says its delivered.
i hope it helps
Great, thanks for the answer.
My uncle lives in Seattle, so I can probably just use his adress.
My plan was to get the phone shipped to him so I would bypass all the stupid taxes and fees you need to pay to import stuff to norway
So basicly, I just need my uncle's adress, and I'm good to go?
Anything else I should worry about?
The contract-free phone is locked to AT&T so you still need to get it unlocked.
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The contract-free phone is locked to AT&T so you still need to get it unlocked.
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Alright. Is this a simple process?
I've ordered an unlocked one from eBay instead. Was about 100USD more expensive, but that only brings it to around 150USD LESS than what I'd have to expect to pay for a similar phone in Norway
ill buy the unlock on ebay, but i need my phone imei first.
Bought mine online from amazon. Shipped it someone in US who was on holiday their at their relative's house. They brought it over to NZ when they finished their holiday in US.
Gave the IMEI no of the locked focus to nckzone on ebay and he gave me an unlock code. Working fine.
btw used a visa debit card on amazon which does not cares about the billing address crap.
Bell Canada and Virgin Mobile Canada will be releasing the Samsung Galaxy S2 4G (the 4G is Bell's naming, its still 21Mbps) July 14th. Many retailer already received the unit, but they will go on sale only on the 14.
This thread is to collect information, tips, and rooting/unlocks tips.
Similar thread over howardforum: http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...will-sell-it-unlocked?p=14466326#post14466326
Price is gonna be 599.95$ without a contract an around 150$ with a 3yr contract.
Sadly, it seem for reason I don't undersand that retailer, will not let the phone go out of the store un-activated (need a new contract or an existing customer transfering phone). The minimum "contract" seem to be a 30day 50$ plan from virgin, bell offer a similar but add initial fees, which virgin don't.
If anyone find a way around this, or store willing to sell without activating the phone, post it over here.....
So far Futureshop, Bestbuy and some the source all told me the same... But feel free to give it a try.
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Price is gonna be 599.95$ without a contract an around 150$ with a 3yr contract.
Sadly, it seem for reason I don't undersand that retailer, will not let the phone go out of the store un-activated (need a new contract or an existing customer transfering phone). The minimum "contract" seem to be a 30day 50$ plan from virgin, bell offer a similar but add initial fees, which virgin don't.
If anyone find a way around this, or store willing to sell without activating the phone, post it over here.....
So far Futureshop, Bestbuy and some the source all told me the same... But feel free to give it a try.
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From polling a few retailers (The Source, Future Shop, Bell Mobility Stores, Wireless Wave, etc.) I found it's pretty much hit and miss. Usually 1 store is willing to sell it to you off contract for every 4 asked, but, then that could change if they fly off the shelves.
Most of the store I found had either them on order (avg 6 units), or in stock (avg 3 units)... So be there early.
Was there any Bell store willing to sell off contract? (I haven't tried thoses.) Assuming they would be less flexible.
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Most of the store I found had either them on order (avg 6 units), or in stock (avg 3 units)... So be there early.
Was there any Bell store willing to sell off contract? (I haven't tried thoses.) Assuming they would be less flexible.
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I found one Bell store willing to do it, but, there was a condition that it would be a final sale.
They can say whatever they want but any phone sold by Bell will have to be honored by their warranty program. You can talk to Bell corporate about this and they'll confirm it. They'll also tell you that if you want to buy the phone off-contract they can't refuse you. Store owners are just being dicks because they get no commission with no plan activation. Had the same sort of issues when the Nexus S was released in Canada and people wanted to buy off-contract since they were unlocked (despite Rogers/Telus/Bell claiming they were locked).
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I found one Bell store willing to do it, but, there was a condition that it would be a final sale.
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I found one Bell store willing to do it, but, there was a condition that it would be a final sale.
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I dont think that would be legal... How would they enforce this..
Sell a 599$ phone, but say, no warranty for you.
Really, I am looking at a the source flyer, and it say 599$ with no contract. There is no place where it say you need a minimum 30 days plan required.
Other than: to get the reduce price with a X year contract you need a minimum 50$ plan.
I just don't know how to force them to sell me the phone, even if I think they are lying about the 30 day
I'm definitely going to look in to getting one off-contract, as I'm currently with Rogers...
Anyone know of any issues so far that would prevent the phone from working properly on Rogers?
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I found one Bell store willing to do it, but, there was a condition that it would be a final sale.
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I got the impression that he was referring to not being able to return the phone within the 14 day return period. I don't think he was talking about the warranty.
Sorry for the confusion.
Thanks!
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I'm definitely going to look in to getting one off-contract, as I'm currently with Rogers...
Anyone know of any issues so far that would prevent the phone from working properly on Rogers?
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+1
but I just ordered it from Handtec. It's kinda sad that Rogers has let us down yet again.
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I'm definitely going to look in to getting one off-contract, as I'm currently with Rogers...
Anyone know of any issues so far that would prevent the phone from working properly on Rogers?
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My understanding is all that you'd have to do is root and unlock the phone, and it should work fine on the Rogers network.
News that the release date could be July 21st:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/07/12/b...p+(mobilesyrup.com)&utm_content=Google+Reader
When Bell announced they’ll be one of the carriers who will release the Samsung Galaxy S II 4G they never confirmed a launch date, only that it will be available “in the coming weeks”. Carriers usually state this just in case there are shipping issues or problems meeting software tests. Rumours surfaced over the past few weeks of a July 14th release, but we are now hearing the launch date is officially set for Thursday, July 21st.
Apparently us Canadians will be getting the latest software and Bell wants to ensure that enough supply is available. The internal doc we received says that Bell is “anticipating very strong demand for the device” and waiting for “adequate supply to arrive”. Samsung recently announced that worldwide sales of this Android has already topped 3 million in just 55 days. This will be available for $599.95 on a no-contract and it’s expected the 3-year price will be $169.95.
Every store I been to told me july 14. I don`t think they will push it to 21.
My Bell rep forbade my Best Buy from selling it before the 21st and I got confirmation of this via an internal memo. We have it, but can't sell it.
BS.... We will see..
Whether we want to believe it or not, it's the truth... I'm as frustrated about it as you are, as I sold my Nexus last week to pay off my Telus cancellation fees, and now I'm going to be phone-less another week and a half...
go to wireless wave or phone booth. they let you purchase the phone out right. the warranty is void if you unlock the phone no matter where you purchase the phone.
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Yea. that was my plan, walk around im sure somebody will sell it..
Just got back from Future Shop. Their live display model is out, and I managed to play with it a bit.
They confirmed as well that July 14 is the release date.
I got a question for you guys: Why don't you just buy one from a UK site instead of waiting for Bell/Virgin's release?
Warranty will be void anyways if you buy from Bell or Virgin without contract. You have to pay $599 + activation + possible minimum plan + tax + cancellation fee(?).
If you order from Clove or Handtec, you can get a UK warranty (meaning to ship back if anything unfortunate happen to the phone...better than no warranty!). It'll only cost less than $640 including shipping.
Anyone frankly explain it to me?
Im currently using a nexus 5. My screen is broken pretty badlyand and my headphone jack is failing. I really like the specs of the force/turbo. I'm on ATT so I would need to go force. I'd also like to get the force so I can root. But I'm haveing a hard time finding the phone on the market though. Is there anyone in the US that is using the force? If so where did you end up buying it from? Are you enjoying it?
You can get one from Mexico. I've got mine from UK because I went to EU for holidays. I'm really enjoying it. The best Android phone I ever had and the first one I'm using at is. No bl unlock, no root. Strange feeling
Usually I'm unlcoking and flashing custom rom max few days, max one month after purchase.
Did you order from the Motorola EU online store or did you buy it in person somewhere? I looked at the Mexico Motorola store today but it looks like they will only ship to Mexico. Need Google translator to confirm though.
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Did you order from the Motorola EU online store or did you buy it in person somewhere? I looked at the Mexico Motorola store today but it looks like they will only ship to Mexico. Need Google translator to confirm though.
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I won it on ebay auction. Few shops from UK selling it too. Jaocagomez can help you to get one from Mexico.
I'm still in Europe (Budapest) on business trip and flying back to San Jose on February 6. Maybe you can order here and I can bring to you. Not sure is it good idea
Thanks, but I'd rather purchase it so it ships directly to me. No middle man hasels.
I did confirm Motorolas Mexico site will only ship to Mexico.
Hunting around I feel like the phone has not been released yet. I know its going to be released in India in February but from the news articals I read the phone was released in november, yet most webistes say preorder or coming soon. Did I miss something? Even some ebay listings reflect this. Unless you want to spend 900$+.
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Thanks, but I'd rather purchase it so it ships directly to me. No middle man hasels.
I did confirm Motorolas Mexico site will only ship to Mexico.
Hunting around I feel like the phone has not been released yet. I know its going to be released in India in February but from the news articals I read the phone was released in november, yet most webistes say preorder or coming soon. Did I miss something? Even some ebay listings reflect this. Unless you want to spend 900$+.
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I ordered mine from Clove technologies in the UK
Thanks! I saw them before but didn't see an option to select US by just browsing the site. But I just tried checking out and there it was. They even have it listed for a very reasonable price.
A you wish. I wasn't sure should I offer you help or not, take responsibility, etc.
I saw one on swappa and another one on ebay, both USA sellers but prices was really bad. One from Ebay sold for $810!? Then I've checked sites from the link I posted and contacted them. If you're buying from USA then is without VAT but you're importing it in USA so you have to pay duty, tax and maybe stuck at border to get permission for importing uncertified device.
@BladeRunner could you share details how much you paid all together and did you have any problems at border. Would be really useful info for everyone.
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A you wish. I wasn't sure should I offer you help or not, take responsibility, etc.
I saw one on swappa and another one on ebay, both USA sellers but prices was really bad. One from Ebay sold for $810!? Then I've checked sites from the link I posted and contacted them. If you're buying from USA then is without VAT but you're importing it in USA so you have to pay duty, tax and maybe stuck at border to get permission for importing uncertified device.
@BladeRunner could you share details how much you paid all together and did you have any problems at border. Would be really useful info for everyone.
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I paid ~615 USD. It's been sitting at JFK International since the 21st, but I think that may be because of the Blizzard and a sunday rather than any issues with customs.
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I paid ~615 USD. It's been sitting at JFK International since the 21st, but I think that may be because of the Blizzard and a sunday rather than any issues with customs.
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That's without VAT? Would be awesome if we can order phone from UK without VAT and do not pay anything else. Handtec representative told me opposite.
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That's without VAT? Would be awesome if we can order phone from UK without VAT and do not pay anything else. Handtec representative told me opposite.
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Correct, no VAT for anyone outside of the EU
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Correct, no VAT for anyone outside of the EU
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Yeah but it's hard to believe that you can just import without paying anything. Please keep us up to date.
I want to buy from clove store , please confirm is true if I can buy from UK???? I live in NY thanks
Thanks for looking into this so much guys!
With my gears a turning the past couple of days I think im going to hold off though. Id really like to buy straight from motorola. That way if I have any issues I can just deal with them directly. That and I gain the ability to cusomize the phone if I order through them.
Im being optamistic I know but the phone was listed on Mexico's site on Monday and just noticed it was listed for Brazil today. So you never know.
This is definatly a good thread to keep alive incase others are interested like Makiger.
So I thought I would try and do an "over the phone" order to see if there was anything special they could do. Sadly this was unsuccessful. But the agent I spoke with did say something that may be intreeging to some. It honestly could mean nothign or it could mean real soon. Who knows?
Jessel: Oh, I do apologize for that. As of the moment, this Moto X Force is not yet available on our webiste. What I can suggest is to visit third party vendors and see if they already have Moto X Force available here in the US. We looking forward to this phone to be available soon.
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I think that agent doesn't have a clue what he's talking He's just repeating generic phrase. Turbo 2 is exclusive for Verizon. Do you really think that Moto can offer basically the same device in US and brake exclusive contract with Verizon?
Don't get me wrong, I would like that Moto didn't even make Turbo 2, just Force globally.
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I want to buy from clove store , please confirm is true if I can buy from UK???? I live in NY thanks
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you can buy from the UK, it just takes a while to get it.
A listing just popped up on India Amazon a little early for the rumored release date..
http://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B01A8DQSW2?tag=kostprice-21
PSA:
If you do buy from Clove Technology - or any overseas store - and you're paying with PayPal, make sure to change their default currency conversion to use your credit card's exchange rate instead.
Just priced the phone (Jan 29, 2016) as £431.83 shipped to me in the USA. According to XE.com, that's $613.78 USD with a conversion rate of 1 USD = 0.703554 GBP.
PayPal was giving me a rate @ 1 USD = 0.678425045 GBP, which would make the cost $636.52 USD, or an increase of $22.74, which is a full tank of gas for me.
Good Experience With Handtec
I got mine from Handtec UK (Sorry, can't post a link)
It arrived today in Louisiana from FedEx and it only took about 2 days to get here. No problems with customs or VAT whatsoever. All in all, it cost me around $625 (Used PayPal at Checkout), including shipping. Other than the UK wall plug it came with, I'm very satisfied so far.