I got the following values from phonearena
are these legit? Because these seems very high ... almost close to the limit.
Head 1.49 W/kg
Body 0.81 W/kg
Product Specific Use 1.44 W/kg
Simultaneous Transmission 1.56 W/kg
USA figures
On an Indian website I see its mentioned as 1.18 W/kg
Sorry for the figures i posed they are north american . limit being 1.60
the phone should have the same SAR test regardless if its in India or North America. so which one is the real test result? there needs to be an accurate test done.
slickromeo said:
the phone should have the same SAR test regardless if its in India or North America. so which one is the real test result? there needs to be an accurate test done.
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i found this on wiki, so i think you're right. now we just need some independent lab results:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_absorption_rate#Mobile_phone_SAR_testing said:
United States: the FCC requires that phones sold have a SAR level at or below 1.6 watts per kilogram (W/kg) taken over the volume containing a mass of 1 gram of tissue that is absorbing the most signal.
European Union: CENELEC specify SAR limits within the EU, following IEC standards. For mobile phones, and other such hand-held devices, the SAR limit is 2 W/kg averaged over the 10 g of tissue absorbing the most signal (IEC 62209-1).
India: switched from the EU limits to the US limits for mobile handsets in 2012. Unlike the US, India will not rely solely on SAR measurements provided by manufacturers; random compliance tests are done by a government-run Telecommunication Engineering Center (TEC) SAR Laboratory on handsets and 10% of towers. All handsets must have a hands free mode.
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Regardless. The values are pretty high!
Regards
Pratik
Test results in the United States, should match the test results in india or anywhere else in the world, it is after-all... the same exact phone the testing is being done on. the results should match no matter where you bring the phone to. If any of you have any other test results performed independently, please do share !
let me ask this - if these numbers are solid, is it going to prevent you from buying the phone?
640k said:
let me ask this - if these numbers are solid, is it going to prevent you from buying the phone?
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For me, and a few others I know Yes it will prevent them from buying the phone.
I had blackberry phones with high sar rates like the ones listed in the first post, and when talking on the phone .. it would heat up vs my note 3 .
So yes some people actually do look at SAR before purchasing
Checked the FCC for the tests done on the Nexus 6p. See the reports for "exposure" if you're interested. It does list various values for radiation.
FCC Link
Hi, can anyone look into manual and tell me what is the SAR value of Nexus 6P (European version), please ?
I can´t find it on the internet.
Thank you very much!
1.17 & 0.54.
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GRANT OF EQUIPMENT
AUTHORIZATION TCB
Certification
Issued Under the Authority of the
Federal Communications Commission
By:
Bay Area Compliance Laboratory Corp.
230 Commercial Street
Sunnyvale, CA 94085
United States Date of Grant: 02/03/2005
Application Dated: 02/03/2005
High Tech Computer Corp
23, Hsin-Hua Rd
Taoyuan, 330,
Taiwan
Attention: Dalton Chuang , Manager/EMC Group
NOT TRANSFERABLE
EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION is hereby issued to the named GRANTEE, and is VALID ONLY for the equipment identified hereon for use under the Commission's Rules and Regulations listed below.
FCC IDENTIFIER: NM8MAGICIAN
Name of Grantee: High Tech Computer Corp
Equipment Class: PCS Licensed Transmitter held to ear
Notes: Dual Mode GSM850/1900 & 2.4 GHz FHSS PDA Phone
Grant Notes FCC Rule Parts Frequency
Range (MHZ) Output
Watts Frequency
Tolerance Emission
Designator
24E 1850.0 - 1910.0 0.977 2.5 PM 343KF9W
22H 824.0 - 849.0 1.95 2.5 PM 343KF9W
Power output listed is ERP for Part 22 and EIRP for Part 24. SAR compliance for body- worn operating configuration is based on a separation distance as tested for this filing. End-users must be informed of the body-worn operating requirements for satisfying RF exposure compliance. Belt clips or holsters may not contain metallic components. The highest reported SAR values are: Part22 - head:0.337 W/kg; Body-worn: 0.740 W/kg; Part24 - head:0.532 w/kg; Body-worn: 0.296 W/kg.
is this a new model ie. i-Mate JAM 2?
can you explain further, 850MHz is quite vague. cheers
processor speed, memory, size etc
There are two versions of the iMate JAM:
900/1800/1900 Mhz for Europe
and
850/1800/1900 Mhz for North America
The 850Mhz version was just approved by the FCC for sale in the US. It is the same as the original Jam, except for the change in frequency
I searched all over the internet for the SAR level in the EU standards but all i could find is the US -_-.
thanks for the people that will help (i probably not going to answer to you in the next few days going to work).
EU SAR
Head: 1.17
Body: 0.54
We know for sure that there is two different version of the Axon 7, the one sold in North America and the one sold in Europe (and china ?), respectively named A2017U & A2017G.
It would be great to compare the hardware of both these version to see if there is any differences (besides network bands and software) or if they are the same except in name.
Can two persons with the two variants be kind enough to provide AIDA64 screenshots of the importants category listed in AIDA64 ?
Thanks !
The hardware of USA and EU are exactly the same, its just the software which is different.
rikin93 said:
The hardware of USA and EU are exactly the same, its just the software which is different.
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Or so they say... A quick comparison doesn't cost much more than a few minutes .
rikin93 said:
The hardware of USA and EU are exactly the same, its just the software which is different.
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I thought I read that there was a least a difference in the modem regarding band support. I could be wrong.
rikin93 said:
The hardware of USA and EU are exactly the same, its just the software which is different.
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Different LTE Bands.
A2017 (Chinese Model): LTE 1/3/7/38/39/40/41
A2017G (European Model): LTE 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/19/20/28/38/40/41
A2017U (North America): LTE 1/2/3/4/5/7/12/13/17/20/29/30/25/26/41
The US Homepage say Bluetooth 4.2 on the Germany Page Stand only 4.1. Could it be? Two different Version of Bluetooth?
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Southerncrosser said:
The US Homepage say Bluetooth 4.2 on the Germany Page Stand only 4.1. Could it be? Two different Version of Bluetooth?
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We don't know for sure, that's why i asked for some Aida64 screen .
You can not see The Bluetooth Version on Aida. I have tried.
Aida say 3100mah accu in EUVersion. On US Version is the Accu 3250mah
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My US version in aida64 shows 3140 mah
Is it not A 3250 mah battery in the axon 7?
My A2017 (Chinese) 4gb 128gb version has a 3100mAh battery capacity reported by Android but a 3140mAh battery capacity by database...
CPU - Qualcomm msm8996
RAM - 4gb LPDDR4
Internal Storage - 110.11Gb
Android - 6.0.1
Build ID - ZTE/A2017V1.0.0B07
Kernel Architecture - armv8I
Not sure how this may help or be useful but its out there for someones use if needed....
China gets 2 more versions while the rest of the world gets one. Why brag about it being designed in the US and keep all the good **** in China?
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China gets 2 more versions while the rest of the world gets one. Why brag about it being designed in the US and keep all the good **** in China?
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Two more versions? Did they announce another model? I thought there was only the 64/4 (which is available worldwide) and 128/6 (which ZTE says they will eventually bring to the USA).
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Two more versions? Did they announce another model? I thought there was only the 64/4 (which is available worldwide) and 128/6 (which ZTE says they will eventually bring to the USA).
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The ZTE Axon 7 Mini.
OmniversalSoundstage said:
The ZTE Axon 7 Mini.
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No. That was leaked on Mediamarkt germany website.
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Two more versions? Did they announce another model? I thought there was only the 64/4 (which is available worldwide) and 128/6 (which ZTE says they will eventually bring to the USA).
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He meant the 4/128gb version.
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Different LTE Bands.
A2017 (Chinese Model): LTE 1/3/7/38/39/40/41
A2017G (European Model): LTE 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/19/20/28/38/40/41
A2017U (North America): LTE 1/2/3/4/5/7/12/13/17/20/29/30/25/26/41
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Depending on how they did the antenna and power amplifier design, they could still be the same exact HW. The 820 SoC supports all those bands, so at some level, it's just programming the chipset and ROM on which to allow.
Yaya444 said:
My US version in aida64 shows 3140 mah
Is it not A 3250 mah battery in the axon 7?
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This was talked about a little in the webinar. They had been marketing 3140, but when they talked to the battery manufacturer, they had actually done 3250 mAh so they changed the marketing material to match. Since the Chinese phones were already released at that point, I'd be willing to bet there is some piece of code somewhere in there reporting the old values rather than the new values. Or ZTE or the battery manufacturer got something wrong.
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Depending on how they did the antenna and power amplifier design, they could still be the same exact HW. The 820 SoC supports all those bands, so at some level, it's just programming the chipset and ROM on which to allow.
This was talked about a little in the webinar. They had been marketing 3140, but when they talked to the battery manufacturer, they had actually done 3250 mAh so they changed the marketing material to match. Since the Chinese phones were already released at that point, I'd be willing to bet there is some piece of code somewhere in there reporting the old values rather than the new values. Or ZTE or the battery manufacturer got something wrong.
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Thanks for the information.
I'm just trying to figure out when the 6GB 128GB model gone hit the US
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Two more versions? Did they announce another model? I thought there was only the 64/4 (which is available worldwide) and 128/6 (which ZTE says they will eventually bring to the USA).
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They also have a 128GB/4GB version.
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They also have a 128GB/4GB version.
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I have the 4gb RAM, 128gb ROM version. It is Chinese but seems to work fine here in Australia...
Funnily enough, some of the problems complained about by the US owners aren't present on the Chinese version with no problems on English translations ( I have language set to English).
Camera has NEVER had a problem and build quality is fantastic with no problems.
It has slight differences in appearance, the major being the gold US version I've seen seems to have white antenna bars on back and headphone jack has a white collar, mine has slightly lighter gold bars for the antenna and goes gold to black interior for the headphone jack.
Other than a few apps that I can't seem to get from the playstore (starts to download and the playstore up and closes) there doesn't seem to be much other difference...
Firmware version is B07 and model is A2017...
Oh, and on Antutu Benchmark I get around 142000 just edging out One Plus 3 for top position, if benchmarks mean anything to you...
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I have the 4gb RAM, 128gb ROM version. It is Chinese but seems to work fine here in Australia...
Funnily enough, some of the problems complained about by the US owners aren't present on the Chinese version with no problems on English translations ( I have language set to English).
Camera has NEVER had a problem and build quality is fantastic with no problems.
It has slight differences in appearance, the major being the gold US version I've seen seems to have white antenna bars on back and headphone jack has a white collar, mine has slightly lighter gold bars for the antenna and goes gold to black interior for the headphone jack.
Other than a few apps that I can't seem to get from the playstore (starts to download and the playstore up and closes) there doesn't seem to be much other difference...
Firmware version is B07 and model is A2017...
Oh, and on Antutu Benchmark I get around 142000 just edging out One Plus 3 for top position, if benchmarks mean anything to you...
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It doesn't say "Designed in the USA" does it?
Hey everyone, just bought myself one of these and am using it on AT&T in the states (Florida). It came in the mail and i popped my sim in and did a review if anyone is interested in getting one themselves. To summarize it, it works great, although some core assistance apps are stuck in chinese, such as their version of siri app, their own wallet app, etc. The seller (eBay) pre-installed Play Store on it as well somehow, even though the phone had never been used as far as i could tell since i unboxed it. The video covers it all though. Enjoy!
Its a Ceramic White 64GB internal, 4GB RAM.
The model number is MHA-AL00 and the build is B153, was B137 when i first bought it.
Heres the video link
youtu.be/Q6mJKITexDM
Do you get LTE?
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Do you get LTE?
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have you ever got an answer to your question ? I am very worried about not getting an AT&T LTE connection on Chinese version (MHA-L00).
thank you in advance.
Why not just get the US version?
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Guys get the US version. The china version will have many issues as it is not certified to run on our networks or infastructure so things like GPS, WIFI and cell signal will not be up to par. Also the China version comes with many tracking software that is required by the Chinese government so it can monitor its people for everything they do.
I have a chinese version MHA-L00
LTE, GPS all works fine
I'm in Canada though, maybe US is different
take_ten said:
I have a chinese version MHA-L00
LTE, GPS all works fine
I'm in Canada though, maybe US is different
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It is. The US has very strained relationships with China. For a very long time US based satellites wouldn't connect to GPS in Chinese devices. There was also issues with cell signal as some of the OEMs were banned in the country.
Sorry for the late response. Yes I get LTE!
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Guys get the US version. The china version will have many issues as it is not certified to run on our networks or infastructure so things like GPS, WIFI and cell signal will not be up to par. Also the China version comes with many tracking software that is required by the Chinese government so it can monitor its people for everything they do.
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zelendel said:
It is. The US has very strained relationships with China. For a very long time US based satellites wouldn't connect to GPS in Chinese devices. There was also issues with cell signal as some of the OEMs were banned in the country.
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Please, stop spreading this conspiracy nonsense.
I have a Chinese 6/128 version. I use it with both AT&T and T-Mobile. No LTE connectivity issues whatsoever. I get the exact same speeds as on my GS7.
Lodix said:
Please, stop spreading this conspiracy nonsense.
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Call it what you will. I have worked on the teams that put many of those things in place as well as still work in a field where many of China's OEM devices are banned from use.
Things like this are mostly legends and rumors to most of you newer guys.
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Call it what you will. I have worked on the teams that put many of those things in place as well as still work in a field where many of China's OEM devices are banned from use.
Things like this are mostly legends and rumors to most of you newer guys.
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Every company collects data from us, if they get banned is because political reasons. And it is not going to make your wifi,gps and 4g not work because of them being chinese ( this connections are standards ).
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Every company collects data from us, if they get banned is because political reasons. And it is not going to make your wifi,gps and 4g not work because of them being chinese ( this connections are standards ).
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Actually it does do just that. Come where I work and your device will die.
It is not political. It is national security. Mainly with the war against China looming. Heck Even the maker of the nexus 6p was banned in the US and India for years for security concerns.
Those connections are not standard. You plainly have no idea what you are talking about. So there is no point in continuing this really.
"Every company collects data from us" This comment is the saddest this anyone can believe. They only collect the data if you dont care about your privacy. Which most people no longer do. Not a surprise really. People are being made to be more docile and obedient.
I love me some tin foil hat talk.
Only reason for Chinese version is for more RAM/storage. Unlock the bootloader and rebrand. Simple.
intruda119 said:
I love me some tin foil hat talk.
Only reason for Chinese version is for more RAM/storage. Unlock the bootloader and rebrand. Simple.
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The site is made of tin foil :fingers-crossed:
Its a bit more then just that. Compare the networks. They are very different networks. This is why US based devices have such and issue in china.
We did a series on what it is like for a westerner in China. Should have a look. Or even better get a chance to go. It is a beautiful Country. Too bad Politics always have to get in the way of things
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The site is made of tin foil :fingers-crossed:
Its a bit more then just that. Compare the networks. They are very different networks. This is why US based devices have such and issue in china.
We did a series on what it is like for a westerner in China. Should have a look. Or even better get a chance to go. It is a beautiful Country. Too bad Politics always have to get in the way of things
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The networks in the US and in China are most certainly different, but the Chinese model of the Mate 9 supports both. In fact, the US model and the Chinese model are exactly the same, in terms of hardware. Only difference is software.
You can check what is supported and what is not supported just by looking at supported radio frequencies, and compare them to the carriers. A Chinese phone supporting LTE Band 4 will support it in the same way a US-certified phone will support LTE Band 4.
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The networks in the US and in China are most certainly different, but the Chinese model of the Mate 9 supports both. In fact, the US model and the Chinese model are exactly the same, in terms of hardware. Only difference is software.
You can check what is supported and what is not supported just by looking at supported radio frequencies, and compare them to the carriers. A Chinese phone supporting LTE Band 4 will support it in the same way a US-certified phone will support LTE Band 4.
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Yeah what he said.
screen mirror / miracast
Can anyone that has a mate 9 confirm whether or not the phone is compatible with screen mirroring / miracast?
My question is does any one have issues with multimedia messages? I just switched to AT&T from Verizon and my Verizon phone has had an issue where I have one minute to open multi media messages or it will expire.
Can anyone point out the differences between the US and the EU version?
I have te feeling the only look similar but are completely different on the inside. Qualcomm vs Mediatek.
Since Mediatek doesn't publish it's kernel sources there will be no custom kernel for the EU version. Am I right?
I have had the opportunity to test the EU version in a store. I noticed some holes on the back for a speaker? on the back, something that looked like notification LED? (or was it the light sensor) on the top right front.
Also the camera's and even battery life could be different since the chipset is different.
Is the US version better than the EU version?
Better for what? Battery life? Performance? There's no way to know until people test it.
I have the US Verizon Prepaid Version of the phone. I believe it's pretty much the same as the regular US unlocked version. In a previous post in this thread I discussed a problem I was having with a specific game and it not displaying certain graphics. Nobody with the international version was able to reproduce the issue. There was also a difference in some of the options in the settings menu (IE MEMORY Option missing from the main settings menu ((I later discovered where it was hidden.))
If there are any test you'd like me to run or anything I can do to help answer this question please let me know.
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I have the US Verizon Prepaid Version of the phone. I believe it's pretty much the same as the regular US unlocked version. In a previous post in this thread I discussed a problem I was having with a specific game and it not displaying certain graphics. Nobody with the international version was able to reproduce the issue. There was also a difference in some of the options in the settings menu (IE MEMORY Option missing from the main settings menu ((I later discovered where it was hidden.))
If there are any test you'd like me to run or anything I can do to help answer this question please let me know.
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Do you have this on Verizon Prepaid? Have you tried a GSM SIM in it? If so, is it SIM unlocked and what bands did it support?
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Do you have this on Verizon Prepaid? Have you tried a GSM SIM in it? If so, is it SIM unlocked and what bands did it support?
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I do not have another sim card. I will try to get one. I'm almost positive it will not work though.
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Have the us unlocked model running on total wireless(Verizon service) the only difference between the US and EU models are certain bands ( no 3, 40 on us model)
903tex said:
Have the us unlocked model running on total wireless(Verizon service) the only difference between the US and EU models are certain bands ( no 3, 40 on us model)
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Don't they have many other differences, like a different processor?
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Don't they have many other differences, like a different processor?
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Yes the US has the Snapdragon 425, and 426(Sprint) I know the Indian one has mediatek I don't know what the EU models have.
Also from review the Indian models have metal body builds
It's weird only the Sprint version has the Snapdragon 427. The Sprint version has no fingerprint sensor based on the photos on their website. See the attached photo. According to the comparison of the 425 vs 427 on Qualcomm's website (scroll to almost bottom of page), the 427 has a faster modem and QuickCharge 3.0 (2.0 on 425).
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It's weird only the Sprint version has the Snapdragon 427. The Sprint version has no fingerprint sensor based on the photos on their website. See the attached photo. According to the comparison of the 425 vs 427 on Qualcomm's website (scroll to almost bottom of page), the 427 has a faster modem and QuickCharge 3.0 (2.0 on 425).
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How do I enable quick charge (on the unlocked us version). I'm rooted
Get a quickcharger?
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Get a quickcharger?
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It doesn't work, it's not supposed to on certain models
I have the US version of moto e4. It is a pretty good phone. The system is very fast (Android 7.1.1 with May 1, 2017 security patch), the gps modem is quite sensitive for the price. It has most of the sensors except NFC, IR blaster, thermometer and barometer. I checked the compatibility with EU networks. The problem is that it supports only B7 (2600 MHz) LTE band (no B3 or B20 support), so in the cities the phone can achieve 4G speed, but at the countryside you may have just 3G (HSPA) or 3G+ (HSPA+) speed, which is enough for reading emails, news, using google maps and waze or getting weather information. But do not organize a video conference with that phone somewehere at the europian countryside.
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I have the US version of moto e4. It is a pretty good phone. The system is very fast (Android 7.1.1 with May 1, 2017 security patch), the gps modem is quite sensitive for the price. It has most of the sensors except NFC, IR blaster, thermometer and barometer. I checked the compatibility with EU networks. The problem is that it supports only B7 (2600 MHz) LTE band (no B3 or B20 support), so in the cities the phone can achieve 4G speed, but at the countryside you may have just 3G (HSPA) or 3G+ (HSPA+) speed, which is enough for reading emails, news, using google maps and waze or getting weather information. But do not organize a video conference with that phone somewehere at the europian countryside.
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Hi,
When you bought the US unlocked version of the Moto E4, did it come with the quick charger?
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Hi,
When you bought the US unlocked version of the Moto E4, did it come with the quick charger?
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Moto E4 does not formally support quick charge spec. However, stock kernel enables rapid charging with uptake rates approaching 2000 mAh under ideal conditions. Can use any suitably sized charge brick and high quality cable. Unfortunately, the charger included with most US retail units tops out at 4W/0.8A. Good for overnight charging but not a quick boost.
I bought the US version (Verizon). Can I use a protective case claiming to be meant for the EU version? Are there diferences in the body, location of camera, sensor ...?
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I bought the US version (Verizon). Can I use a protective case claiming to be meant for the EU version? Are there diferences in the body, location of camera, sensor ...?
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All should be the same as far as cases.
chritu said:
I bought the US version (Verizon). Can I use a protective case claiming to be meant for the EU version? Are there diferences in the body, location of camera, sensor ...?
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They are the same size but the holes for headphone jack, rear mic for noise cancellation, and spearker are cut out differently. See attached picture as example.