Alright, so it's known that the sensor used in the N6P is the Sony IMX377. However, does anyone know if this sensor is native 16:9? 12.3mp is already pretty damn low for a "flagship" phone now-a-days, so it would kind of suck to have to go down to 9.6mp to shoot in a 16:9 aspect ratio.
I quickly googled the sensor and there are a couple of datasheets, I am no camera lens technical expert but it looks like 12.3MP is 4:3.
http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/IS/sensor2/products/imx377.html
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I quickly googled the sensor and there are a couple of datasheets, I am no camera lens technical expert but it looks like 12.3MP is 4:3.
http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/IS/sensor2/products/imx377.html
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Damn. I have to say, that's disappointing...
Yeah, it's 9.6mp in 16:9.
I like 4:3 MUCH better for photos, anyway.
Same, 4:3 is better
Me too...
4:3 crop sensors are fsr more common than full frame 16:9 ones. I like the 4:3 shots better anyway
I agree it is very disappointing. I don't like 4:3 photos at all and I'm use to DSLRs with 16:9 photos.
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Alright, so it's known that the sensor used in the N6P is the Sony IMX377. However, does anyone know if this sensor is native 16:9? 12.3mp is already pretty damn low for a "flagship" phone now-a-days, so it would kind of suck to have to go down to 9.6mp to shoot in a 16:9 aspect ratio.
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Are you sure you need all that resolution? Even at 9.6 MP that's more information than could be displayed on a 4K television screen.
Keep in mind that although the IMX377 is not as high resolution sensor as some of the 16 MP and 20 MP sensors seen these days, it is a very large 1/2.3 sensor (large for a phone). So it is actually physically the largest sensor that's been put in any flagship, except the Xperia Zx phones and the great Nokia phones (like the 808, 1020, N8 that have sensors which remain years beyond anyone, even though they are no longer new phones).
So the reason the 6P has "only" 12.3 MP is not because it is a "low" or "small" sensor. It's a very large sensor (again, for a phone). But instead of using the extra size for more pixels, which is a waste for almost all purposes, they use the extra size for larger pixels. This means the images should have better color accuracy (lack of reviews of the phone proving this, notwithstanding), because the larger pixels can catch more light. The overall larger sensor also improves low light performance and noise.
Even the Z5, the only other phone with a 1/2.3 sensors, doesn't use it's full 23 MP to create unnecessarily enormous photos with details no one needs. Instead its default setting to to produce 8 MP images. The extra pixels are used to oversample, using many pixels to composite into one effectively larger pixel, for the advantages of color accuracy and lower noise. This is the "Pureview" technique pioneered by Nokia with the 808 and its huge 1/1.2 sensor, that's actually 41 MP, but defaults to "only" 5 MP final images.
So unless you have a very specialized need for more detail than the already massive amoung of detail of 9.6 MP or 12.3 MP (and assuming you even have a screen capable of displaying more than the 8 MP it takes to fll a 4K screen), the benefits of smaller images, with larger pixels, and a larger 1/2.3 sensor far outweigh pointless extra pixels that people get obsessed with but serves no purpose for most people. Remember, the megapixel race in phones and consumer cameras has always been a mistake, that produces a level of detail people don't need and can't see, that produces unnecessarily large file sizes, and that actually creates problems like reduced color accuracy and increased noise. Physical sensor size matters a lot, megapixels, beyond about 5 MP or 8 MP serve no purpose (unless you're creating billboards or printing wall sized photos).
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One side note, if your current phone is the LG G4, as your signature suggests, I would not expect to get better images out of the 6P. The G4 has arguably the best camera in a current smartphone. It already has a pretty large 1/2.6 sensor. Even though it's pretty high resolution at 16 MP, apparently they've done something to really reduce the amount of noise you'd normally expect from a 16 MP sensor. And it has one very large advantage over the 6P, which is OIS (optical image stabilization). I'd really wait for reviews that compare the G4 camera to the 6P, if this is important to you. At best, I'd expect the 6P to be as good as the G4 (and it may not be), but I'd be surprised if it surpassed the G4 for still images. And without OIS, there's no way videos will be as stable on the 6P, whatever other merits it may have.
The Z5 have a pretty stable camera, one of the best in the market right now and it doesnt have OIS. So lets hope google will arrive with a better algorithm
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Hey guys.
There's a new competitor in town. SE is definitely looking to gain some market share with the Idou scheduled launch Q2 '09. some specs listed are :
Sony Ericsson Idou
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
HSDPA 900 / 2100
Coming soon. Exp. release 2009, Q3
TFT touchscreen, 16M colors
360 x 640 pixels, 3.5 inches
Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g, DLNA
Symbian OS
12.1 MP, 4256 x 2832 pixels, autofocus, xenon flash, video, video LED flash, secondary VGA videocall camera
- Built-in GPS
- aGPS function
- Camera images geo-tagging, face and smile detection
- Google maps
- FM radio with RDS
- MP3/AAC/MPEG4 player
- Organiser
- Built-in handsfree
- Voice memo/dial
- Java MIDP 2.0
Some links:
Engadget
Phonedog
Some other video
What are your thoughts on this new model.
The SE Idou has a smaller screen, lower resolution, not WinMo, no North American 3G (Telstra model has 850).
The only positive that jumps out is the camera, but that's not enough to overcome the above negatives for me. Sorry, not interested.
I bet the Idou-NOT camera will still be shooting 3gp video in 320*240 resolution
My 3 and a half year old Universal has a bigger, higher resolution screen than the Idou. If that's progress I'm not impressed.
That phone was epic back in the day! Still has some decent specs now!
really cant stand all those nonstandard resolution.
heck, enough's enough already with vga wvga q and square stuff!
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really cant stand all those nonstandard resolution.
heck, enough's enough already with vga wvga q and square stuff!
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Well get used to it - it's the same resolution that all the new touchscreen Symbian handsets are coming out with such as the Nokia 5800 and the Samsung OmniaHD.
The reason they've gone for it is that it's a 16:9 aspect ratio.
There's no point trying to compare the Touch HD to the Idou as one of those handsets isn't even available yet.
In fact, going on SE's recent form, I'd be very surprised if they get it into shops this year. And I'd even go so far as to say that someone like Samsung or LG will have released a different 12mp handset before Idou is available.
Also, why on earth does anyone think that 12mp on a phone is going to be a good thing?
Think about how poor the camera on the HD can be, do you really think cramming in an extra 7 million pixels will make things better?
Too low res for me - 800*480 is simply a sweet spot, it's the major thing HTC got right.
I bet the 12mp camera takes shockingly bad pictures too. That's more than almost all aps-c DSLRs out there (and the few that tried 14/15mpixel didn't sell, because they took worse pictures than the 10/11 models).
Idou would be a good phone. If this (or N97) is out now, I would not have bought the HD. Don't get me wrong. I am very satisfied with HD (with all the tweaks and cooked roms). Coming from a S60 N95/82 and after using HD for the last 3 months I have to honestly say somehow WM is still not as good an OS compared to Symbian. Symbian is still more robust, nimble and more efficient.
not impressed with it's spec's compared to some of the 2009 htc devices on the horizen...like the Firestone, etc.
I don't know for sure, but normally cameras with these resolution ain't better than any 5 MP camera. Its not the resolution that limits the capacities, but its the lens.
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Coming from a S60 N95/82 and after using HD for the last 3 months I have to honestly say somehow WM is still not as good an OS compared to Symbian. Symbian is still more robust, nimble and more efficient.
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Everyone has their own preferences.
Until the Nokia 5800 was released, I'd never used a Symbian phone that I liked. I just don't feel the way the menus are laid out works all that well.
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I don't know for sure, but normally cameras with these resolution ain't better than any 5 MP camera. Its not the resolution that limits the capacities, but its the lens.
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It's both.
Yes the lens makes a big difference but so do the number of pixels.
By cramming more pixels onto the same size of sensor, each pixel is smaller and consequently less light hits it.
Because less light hits it, the picture will appear duller unless you increase the amplification of the signal from each pixel. But if you do that, you also increase the amount of noise, which is detrimental to the picture quality.
Even with premium components it's impossible to amplify a signal without having noise appear but there's no way that a phone is going to be fitted with premium components, so the noise will be much worse than it would be on a digital camera of the same quality, not to mention that proper digital cameras would also tend to have a physically larger sensor anyway, so they wouldn't have to crank the amplification up so much.
Even the C905 (which is, according to GSMArena the best 8mp camera-phone on the market from a camera perspective) already has serious issues with noise and, at best, Idou will have a sensor of the same physical size but with more pixels.
However I've already read rumours that the sensor will, in fact, be smaller than the C905's which will make it all even worse.
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It's both.
Yes the lens makes a big difference but so do the number of pixels.
By cramming more pixels onto the same size of sensor, each pixel is smaller and consequently less light hits it.
Because less light hits it, the picture will appear duller unless you increase the amplification of the signal from each pixel. But if you do that, you also increase the amount of noise, which is detrimental to the picture quality.
Even with premium components it's impossible to amplify a signal without having noise appear but there's no way that a phone is going to be fitted with premium components, so the noise will be much worse than it would be on a digital camera of the same quality, not to mention that proper digital cameras would also tend to have a physically larger sensor anyway, so they wouldn't have to crank the amplification up so much.
Even the C905 (which is, according to GSMArena the best 8mp camera-phone on the market from a camera perspective) already has serious issues with noise and, at best, Idou will have a sensor of the same physical size but with more pixels.
However I've already read rumours that the sensor will, in fact, be smaller than the C905's which will make it all even worse.
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I agree with everything you said, and being a photographer I'm very familiar with issues you described.
However, Sony is leading the market in compact digital cameras, and as such, it would not surprise me that these 12 megapixels turn out to produce "decent quality" photos.
Decent for average Joe Snapshooter, of course. Because, although for last 5 or so years I have been listening to "OMG, they're putting EVEN more pixels onto that tiny sensor", somehow the manufacturers are still running the megapixel race, and image quality has had a small but steady quality improvement. First time I heard this sentence was when first big megapixel jump happened: from 1 megapixel to 2.
So, let's just wait and see before bashing the new Sony, at least camera-wise.
I'm not waiting, I hold out zero hope for Idou or any other 12mp handset.
I've seen both 100% crops and A3 printouts from the C905 and as I said before, noise is a huge problem.
I just don't see how adding extra pixels is going to do anything but make matters worse.
Also, since when have Sony been leading the market for compact cameras?
I must admit I'm not as au fait with everything since the pixel numbers went through the roof but last time I checked, Nikon and Canon were sharing the spoils.
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Decent for average Joe Snapshooter, of course. Because, although for last 5 or so years I have been listening to "OMG, they're putting EVEN more pixels onto that tiny sensor", somehow the manufacturers are still running the megapixel race, and image quality has had a small but steady quality improvement.
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There have been tests recently that showed the best compact ever made was the Fuji f30, a 4 year old 6 megapixel model (people pay a ton of money for them on ebay). Even with improvements in tech since, they've not been able to counteract the quality decrease that cramming more megapixels in causes. Fuji themselves tried to reign back the megapixel race, hold at 8 max for quality reasons, but marketing trumps all and they've had to give it up.
I had a 15mpixel Canon pocket camera recently, the quality was awful.
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There have been tests recently that showed the best compact ever made was the Fuji f30, a 4 year old 6 megapixel model (people pay a ton of money for them on ebay).
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I don't suppose you have a link?
I tried my fair share of Fuji cameras in the past and was never hugely impressed by them, so I'm a little surprised at that.
Also, for them to try and position themselves as the voice of reason in the megapixel war is rather hypocritical since they were the manufacturer who traditionally always aimed for more, staying on with interpolation long after most other manufacturers had given up on it.
http://www.wpcentral.com/wpcentral-nokia-microsoft-live-blog-new-york-city
Nokia 920 has an LCD screen. Not good.
Wireless charging seems cool though.
Anyone else watching?
Really? LCD screen not good? 1280 x 760 resolution on a 4.5" display (which is more dense than the majority of 1280 displays which are 4.7"+), ClearBlack technology (which should mean deep blacks for an LCD, like the One X, possibly even getting deeper than that display), and according to wpcentral the fastest display on a smartphone (which I imagine means fastest response time).
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Really? LCD screen not good? 1280 x 760 resolution on a 4.5" display (which is more dense than the majority of 1280 displays which are 4.7"+), ClearBlack technology (which should mean deep blacks for an LCD, like the One X, possibly even getting deeper than that display), and according to wpcentral the fastest display on a smartphone (which I imagine means fastest response time).
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Yeah I'm kind of disapointed with the camera sensor as I was expecting a higher or equal resolution to the Nokia N8 (12MP) it's just under 9MP. But it's improved camera tech is supposed to make you forget about this.
Sure it records 1080 P video @ 30 FPS but doesn't give you micro sd expansion slot and only 32 gb internal I can fill 32 gb easily with my N8 and that records 720p
Tech details don't seem to be as abundant as with the N8. I can plug any external drive into that and expand the capacity further.
Plus they kind of killed the hype recently by not providing an actual representation of what the camera can do.
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Yeah I'm kind of disapointed with the camera sensor as I was expecting a higher or equal resolution to the Nokia N8 (12MP) it's just under 9MP. But it's improved camera tech is supposed to make you forget about this.
Sure it records 1080 P video @ 30 FPS but doesn't give you micro sd expansion slot and only 32 gb internal I can fill 32 gb easily with my N8 and that records 720p
Tech details don't seem to be as abundant as with the N8. I can plug any external drive into that and expand the capacity further.
Plus they kind of killed the hype recently by not providing an actual representation of what the camera can do.
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I do photography as a hobby. I've owned 2 DSLRs and a bunch of other sorts of cameras (point and shoot mainly) and I'd like to say one thing: Megapixels DO NOT determine photo quality. the LENS and IMAGE PROCESSOR do that.
Lets look at an analogy
Let's say you're trying to paint a picture of a natural scenery. You need 1: A good eye that will take in details of the landscape. You need the eye that will be able to contrasts between colors, and pick up all the information such as the leaves, trees, water, etc. etc. If someone has glaucoma, cloudy vision, or is simply blind, they won't be able to take in the scenery. You will also need 2: A good and dexterous hand that will convert what you're seeing into a painting by making skillful brushes of the paintbrush. If you have crappy coordination skills or are unable to correctly translate what you're seeing into proper shapes and curves, you're going to have a crappy picture at the end.
your LENS=eye and the image processor=Hand/Coordination.
Those are the two things that will determine the quality of the picture. Megapixels just determine the size of your canvas. A 3.2 MP camera can deliver better shots than a 12 MP camera!
The 920 is using Carl Zeiss F/2.0 lens and I'm not sure about what image processor it has. As for the lens (you have the N8 so you can attest to this), you will know that CZ makes excellent quality lenses made of pure glass. 90% of lenses I've used in microscopy labs were all CZ. Whats gonna make or break the picture quality is the image processor. I'm not sure which one they're using.
Wait for some test shots to come out, but I have high expectations for Nokia on this phone.
I've already gone into detail on the 920 camera in other threads, but the image sensor size is in fact 1/3", which is larger than the 1/3.2" sensor the iPhone 4S, One X, and Galaxy s3 have. Along with backside illumination and mechanical stabilization, it really is a great smartphone camera and I wouldn't have expected any better for a late 2012 smartphone.
Having used XZ's camera for some hundred pictures in various conditions, I have to comment on the very smart automatic mode. It does produce excellent results in identifying conditions and exposure and colour rendition are trully very good. However, photograhic quality is just not there. Detail suffers a lot from either noise or too much post processing. In some cases when viewing at 1:1 zoom, it reminds me the results of applying some of photoshop's artistic filters in a subtle yet identifiable way.
Sony must have had a reason to incorporate such heavy post processing. The Exmor RS module was originally designed to handle RGBW coding (white plus the traditional RGB). Apparently somewhere along the way, Sony changed their minds as they could not make it work to their "image quality standards" and reverted back to traditional RGB (1), (2). One can only make assumptions, but perhaps the rather heavy noise processing of the image and compression may have its roots to decisions taken to correct other issues, ie. degraded light performance and consequent noise through higher ISOs.
It would be interesting to see how the sensor performs in other phones. One example is the Oppo Find 5. Unfortunately the results are pretty much the same, ie. plenty of noise which brings down detail. (3), (4) Which can only mean that the root of the problem is either any firmware handling the signal of the actual image sensor or that the design itself is flawed.
It is rumoured that the same sensor will also be used in the new SGS4 (we will know soon enough) and the revised iPhone 5S. So let's wait and see what they can make of it. It would be disappointing to see two highly anticipated phones featuring worse cameras than the models they are replacing.
In photographic terms, the way to get better pictures is larger aperture and image stabilization. Letting more light in is the secret and there are two ways of doing it: larger aperture or longer exposure times. The latter results in shaky pictures which is counteracted to some extent though image stabilization. The former usually requires a longer camera+lens module. (in DSLRs larger aperture also means small DOF but this is not an issue for phone cameras where the sensor is so small). That's why incorporating a F/2.0 or F/2.2 aperture usually means thicker phone or a lump at the back. Sony also makes a F/2.2 module which is 5.5mm thick vs 4.2mm for the F/2.4 which was selected for the XZ, probably to keep its thickness to an impressive 7.9mm. (5) The larger aperture could also an excuse for the thickness of the Nokia Lumia 920 which its F/2.0 aperture lens. (6) However, Lumia 920 does pull it off and the result of a good sensor, the F/2.0 aperture and optical image stabilization is great photographic quality. Another approach is having less pixels, something HTC implemented in the One, which again features a F/2.0 aperture @ 9.3mm thickness. However this also has obvious disadvantages in losing detail and the ability to crop a photograph.
Higher pixel count, 13MP vs 8MP, also means that to get the same exposure with the same speed, aperture and ISO rating you need MORE light. (7) Thus, when 8MP is pretty good resolution for every day photography, increasing the pixel count just for the sake of it is the wrong way to go. I do not need to use my Canon 550D at more than 8MP, even when on holidays, even though it supports 18MP resolution.
What has the future in store for us? Well, Sony has made a large investment in the new assembly line and tools to produce the Exmor RS series and they want to see it through. So, I would expect to see revised editions of the module with significant improvements.
Many thanks for reading.
Sources
(1) engadget.com/2012/09/21/sony-exmor-rs-stacked-phone-camera-sensors-detuned-over-quality/
(2) droiddog.com/android-blog/2012/09/sonys-exmor-rs-sensors-downgraded-due-to-quality-concerns/
(3) gizmochina.com/2012/12/15/oppo-find-5-using-sony-cmos-exmor-rs-sensor-camera-component/
(4) gsmarena.com/oppo_find_5-review-880p8.php
(5) imaging-resource.com/news/2012/08/20/sony-exmor-rs-sensors-to-allow-slimmer-better-camera-phones
(6) nokia.com/global/products/phone/lumia920/specifications/[/url]
(7) wpcentral.com/thoughts-and-impressions-nokia-lumia-920s-pureview-camera
so XZ camera issue is due to a software?
For the Mp count, u mean that a DSLR like nikon D800 is not only useless but pointless DSLR.
Photographer use extra MP to take pics at RAW format then convert them the way the Photographer want.
Only the engineers at Sony know if the issue can be corrected with revised algorithms or indeed the sensor can't give anything more. My view is that if this was possible they would not have resorted to so much post processing in the first place. If anything Sony knows photography photography much more than Apple or Samsung.
Of course I am not suggesting that dSLRs have the same function as a camera phone. My personal view is that as a casual photographer I don't need more than 8MPs. Of course there have been instances were I choose to shoot in RAW but I doubt that in such a situation a 13MP camera sensor will bail me out anyway. A dSLR is another beast. My message was about finding the best balance for a camera phone.
Thank you
8MP on dslr is not the same 8MP on a phone.
The sensor in dslr is way bigger than the one i a phone.
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Hopefully this is not the result of the Sony camera division trying to hold back on their phones. It happened before with Sony Music trying to stop them from releasing a MP3 player, thats why they were stuck with the mini disk atrac bs for a long time and enter very later into the mp3 market. Too often things like this happened in the company where we see the left hand is trying to fight the right hand making the company so far behind the competitors. Makes no sense that their phone camera is still very mediocre where they make some of the best camera out there.
comparing to my Xperia X10i i get the feeling the color is to much yellow in iAutomatic!
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6777/understanding-camera-optics-smartphone-camera-trends
Is there anyway to make taken images stay at the size they are suposed to be? I mean i want to stop the compression of the image like I had on Xperia S and quality was much better (not better than on xperia Z tho )
I am interested in this device, but I have a question about the camera.
Is it possible to change the picture resolution to a 16:9 aspect ratio? And if so, at what megapixel count is it?
To compare: my compact camera has 16 megapixels and in the settings there is a 16:9 aspect ratio available, but at 12 megapixels which is fine.
9.0MP 4000x2250
Thanks. 9 Megapixels is a bit low, but could be sufficient.
Does anyone have experience with shooting images at that resolution/ratio? Do they come out right?
Maybe I'm not an expert, but one thing I know for sure is that the number of megapixels does not determine quality but the size of the photo. Now you figure out what's more important to you. Otherwise, I am very pleased with the photos taken by MI A1, and I'm particularly interested in the fact that the camera has a very decent slow motion (in any case, you get a much better camera than you expect).
I agree, that's why I said it is (only) 'a bit' low, 9 megapixels. I am not a 'more megapixel fan', often it even messes up the picture, because of too many megapixels in a too small sensor (more megapixels could be helpful in some ways, although sensor type, size and quality are much more important).
Still interested in experience with/sample pictures at that resolution, so...
Okay, I understand (what many others don't) that although the S20+ is listed as a 3X-30X zoom, the actual optical zoom is 1.08 so the focal length of the actual lens is basically the same as the non-zoom camera. This is unlike say the S10 5G which the actual lens of the camera is 2X. However Samsung makes up for this by using a 64MP sensor. This basically results in as good or better zoom shots up to about 5X zoom than a phone with a tele-camera with a 2X or 3X optical zoom lens but only a 12MP or 16MP sensor.
This is a bit astonishing considering the number of pixels decreased by the zoom factor squared when using digital zoom. So, the lowest zoom of the tele lens on the S20+ at 3X is essentially a 7MP sensor. 3 squared is 9. 64MP divided by 9 is 7.1MP. Compared to say the S10 5G which has a 2X optical zoom and 12MP sensor. So a 3X zoom for the S10 5G is a 1.5X digital zoom of the 2X optical. 1.5 squared = 2.25. 12MP/2.25 = 5.3MP. So you can see how the S20+ can keep up with other cameras with 2X or 3X optical zoom but only 12MP sensors. It's notable though that with 2X zoom, a camera with a 12MP sensor and a 2X optical zoom has a higher resolution image than the S20+ at 2X zoom since the S20+ doesn't have an optical zoom lens.
What's more interesting is the 64MP sensor on the S20+ has a 0.8um pixel pitch which means the sensor is roughly 9,500 pixels by 7,150. So at 3X zoom the sensor output is going to be digitally cropped to around 3,160 x 2,380. However no matter what zoom resolution you use, Samsung outputs a 4032x3024 size image, basically "faking" the resolution for all images taken at anything over 1X zoom. The file size goes down as the zoom goes up even though the image resolution stays at 4032x3024 because the JPEG compression algorithm basically can see it's a fake resolution (essentially a lower resolution source image interpolated up to a higher resolution.)
I'm not sure why manufacturers do this except for only from a customer satisfaction perspective as people would be complaining why their 10X zoom images are only 950 x 715 pixels. Yes, S20+ users, that is roughly the true resolution of a 10X zoom image from your phone. But consider on a 12MP sensor with 1X optical lens, that true cropped resolution is closer to 400x300!
The bottom line is the S20+ Tele Camera is basically equivalent in resolution to a phone with a 12MP camera with a 2.5X optical zoom because it's not actually an optical zoom lens. So Samsung's advertising it as a 3X "hybrid optic zoom" isn't a total lie, but 2.5x would be closer to accurate as far as the equivalent of an optical zoom on a 12MP sensor.
In reviewing tests images, to get the best images on this camera you just want to use one of the 3 cameras without manually zooming in. If you do zoom in on the tele camera, try to not go above 5X.
And no true optical zoom = no depth compression and distorted perspectives. Portraits look like crap. Fisheye effect still there, only mitigated by the fact that only the central part of the view is kept. For real portrait you need a phone with a real 2x or 3x optical zoom lens. I should have known better before buying...
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And no true optical zoom = no depth compression and distorted perspectives. Portraits look like crap. Fisheye effect still there, only mitigated by the fact that only the central part of the view is kept. For real portrait you need a phone with a real 2x or 3x optical zoom lens. I should have known better before buying...
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It's especially ridiculous considering the low-end S20 FE has 3X optical (although with only an 8MP sensor). I can only think the reason was to create more of a separation between the Plus and the Ultra to better justify the higher price of the Ultra with the 3X optical + 108MP sensor. They should have just put the 2X optical on it from last year's S10 5G instead of a ridiculous 1.08X.
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It's especially ridiculous considering the low-end S20 FE has 3X optical (although with only an 8MP sensor). I can only think the reason was to create more of a separation between the Plus and the Ultra to better justify the higher price of the Ultra with the 3X optical + 108MP sensor. They should have just put the 2X optical on it from last year's S10 5G instead of a ridiculous 1.08X.
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I think the Ultra has a straight 5x zoom, like the P40 Pro. Useless for portrait (way too much zoom), so portraits are done on the main sensor with a crop to simulate a 2x zoom !
WTF !
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I think the Ultra has a straight 5x zoom, like the P40 Pro. Useless for portrait (way too much zoom), so portraits are done on the main sensor with a crop to simulate a 2x zoom !
WTF !
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We're both wrong, it's a 4X optical on the Ultra. I was confusing it with the 3x "hybrid optical" zoom spec on the plus. "Hybrid Optical?" that's just another label for "Forced Digital Zoom." At least on the Plus.
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We're both wrong, it's a 4X optical on the Ultra. I was confusing it with the 3x "hybrid optical" zoom spec on the plus. "Hybrid Optical?" that's just another label for "Forced Digital Zoom." At least on the Plus.
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Samsung is not the only one, I just got myself a Sony Xperia 5 II, thinking the 3x zoom would make nice portraits, only to find out the quality was so bad it made me want to cry (900 euros). Upon searching for answers, I found out that it too is a crop, from a 20 mpx sensor this time...
At least if you get an iphone you have true zoom... I'm tempted. But boy do I hate iOS.
AFAIKl, the zoom lenses are used when the light conditions are optimal, also have an iphone and i can assure you, it also uses crop when the scene is underlit. So you are not missing on anything. But i can say, camera's on smartphone still suck (personal opinion: i use mirrorless for photography).
sushant1thakran said:
AFAIKl, the zoom lenses are used when the light conditions are optimal, also have an iphone and i can assure you, it also uses crop when the scene is underlit. So you are not missing on anything. But i can say, camera's on smartphone still suck (personal opinion: i use mirrorless for photography).
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Yes, I have an APS-C sensor camera for when I'm *planning* to take photos of important events, on trips, etc and I don't mind carrying it around (although it is jacket pocketable because it's an APS-C platform.) The problem is, in the practical reality of life, some of the best shots are very sporadic and unplanned and most people don't carry around their DSLR with them everywhere they go all day long like a woman carries a purse. I take way more photos on my phone than my camera because I always have it with me. So why not go for the best available, within your budget.
But yes, there is a whole younger generation that wouldn't even consider buying a digital camera anymore (except if they were going into the photography profession) as the camera's on their phones are more than adequate for snap shots they are just going to post on instagram, send via MMS, add it as a wallpaper or screensaver, or include in a Blog post and *maybe* print a 5x7 of.
The reason for their decision to do this might be to enable 8K video recording as the 8K functionality uses the 48mpx sensor.
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The reason for their decision to do this might be to enable 8K video recording as the 8K functionality uses the 48mpx sensor.
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That explains why the Ultra has a real zoom, as it can use the 108mpx sensor for 8K...
So we lost the zoom quality for portraits of our loved ones for a gimmick which almost nobody will use...
What a shame.
Latoc said:
That explains why the Ultra has a real zoom, as it can use the 108mpx sensor for 8K...
So we lost the zoom quality for portraits of our loved ones for a gimmick which almost nobody will use...
What a shame.
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I liked samsung, when they included ir blaster, heart rate sensor and all kind of weird af stuff.
Hated it when they removed expandable storage from s6 and note 5 series but after note 7. I feel that they are less likely to take risks and try to compete with 2nd class brands like oppo and vivo which only focuses on camera for consumers. (No offense to vivo as they also spend a lot on research which include the first for indisplay fingerprint scanner and 2k screens, but they only showcase that tech on mobile world congress).
And at that time, phones used to be fun, the price was relatively affordable $600 as compared to $1200.
There are phases of popularity of features like there was phase when companies are competing on who can produce the slimmest phone. But now the phase is related to camera's, before this, it was the user experience, which made samsung to ditch the TouchWiz and come up with one ui. I was there on touchwiz for s7 edge and one ui with s8.
Also, i dont know how tech reviewers are able to get the awesome photos using auto mode.
Out of 30 pics only 3-4 are good photos.