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Skyraider has me thinking... dinc or x

Anyone else have the option to switch to the Droid X from the Incredible but because of Skyraider 2.5.2 vanilla you are having second thoughts? My logic was that a phone without Rom options may stop my incessant xda checking , but at the same time I'm not sure if I can live with motoblur. Also, I really want that big screen. Anyone fell like convincing me either way?
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The Moto X screen is the same resolution as the Dinc screen. That means that the same pixels are just blown up over that big screen. The Dinc screen is so crisp, the X, not so much. Stick with the Dinc.

Its not the same resolution, but close enough.

I bought the x the day it came out, sent it back a week later, and reactivated my Incredible. I just didn't care for the size of the X, or the physical buttons.

A good investment
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Stay dinc...we already have awesome devs and full root and nand
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In addition, the DInc will be the last great AMOLED phone before the coming age of the locked bootloader. Even DInc's in the near future will have locked bootloaders (after the official 2.2 OTA). I fear the age of Android ROM cooking is coming to an end. I'm tempted to go out and buy another DInc, before the OTA hits and then it's...game over... Unlocked DInc's will be worth their weight in gold. Yep, just might be a good time to invest in a couple more unlocked DIncs...
I never was an optimist...

Well done xda! In just 5 replies I believe you have me convinced. Perhaps I will still try the x though... you know what I am really thinking? Keep the small screen (and customization) of the dinc and wait for a Android tablet to fill my large screen needs.
Thanks again, I will cancel my x order on Monday?
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Naw...
Lexus One said:
In addition, the DInc will be the last great AMOLED phone before the coming age of the locked bootloader. Even DInc's in the near future will have locked bootloaders (after the official 2.2 OTA). I fear the age of Android ROM cooking is coming to an end. I'm tempted to go out and buy another DInc, before the OTA hits and then it's...game over... Unlocked DInc's will be worth their weight in gold. Yep, just might be a good time to invest in a couple more unlocked DIncs...
I never was an optimist...
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The cat and mouse game will continue. Nothing is unrootable. You can't give someone the keys and the lock and expect it not to get picked.

dhalem said:
The cat and mouse game will continue. Nothing is unrootable. You can't give someone the keys and the lock and expect it not to get picked.
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Rooting is a different process than flashing ROMs...or so I have read. But the only way a locked & digitally signed bootloader will get picked is with the appropriate key. And only Verizon has the key and will be able to update your ROMs. It's going to be a lot tougher now. Someone on the inside will have to leak the digital key. Not saying that this can't happen...but will it? Only time will tell...

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Rooting is a different process than flashing ROMs...or so I have read. But the only way a locked & digitally signed bootloader will get picked is with the appropriate key. And only Verizon has the key and will be able to update your ROMs. It's going to be a lot tougher now. Someone on the inside will have to leak the digital key. Not saying that this can't happen...but will it? Only time will tell...
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Couldn't the new law on jailbreaking/rooting come into play here? It's now 100% legal so couldn't you go in and say (using vzw as an example any carrier will work) Verizon, I have this phone here I want rooted. Verizon then says ok we will give you access if you sign this saying you know and are willfully voiding your warranty. Or something like that. I just can't see how these scenarios or something similar won't happen with the new ruling
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Yodes said:
Couldn't the new law on jailbreaking/rooting come into play here? It's now 100% legal so couldn't you go in and say (using vzw as an example any carrier will work) Verizon, I have this phone here I want rooted. Verizon then says ok we will give you access if you sign this saying you know and are willfully voiding your warranty. Or something like that. I just can't see how these scenarios or something similar won't happen with the new ruling
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Its legal, but that doesn't mean they have to make it easy, and it sure doesn't mean that it doesnt void your warranty.

My brother-in-law has an X and I have a DINC. That phone is way to big and comparing them I feel mine works better "my opion". The only thing I like about the X is, it has a nice dash mount.

Did anyone see dhacker29's post about CM10 on Razr M?

Just read this post on twitter from dhacker29.
And we have Jellybean CM10 on the Droid Razr M
SurfaceFlinger(305): OpenGL informations:
SurfaceFlinger(305): vendor : Qualcomm
SurfaceFlinger(305): renderer : Adreno (TM) 225
SurfaceFlinger(305): version : OpenGL ES-CM 1.1
I wonder if thats for dev phones only right now??? Can't wait to load up some ROMs

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Just read this post on twitter from dhacker29.
And we have Jellybean CM10 on the Droid Razr M
SurfaceFlinger(305): OpenGL informations:
SurfaceFlinger(305): vendor : Qualcomm
SurfaceFlinger(305): renderer : Adreno (TM) 225
SurfaceFlinger(305): version : OpenGL ES-CM 1.1
I wonder if thats for dev phones only right now??? Can't wait to load up some ROMs
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Of course that's for dev only. At the moment, only dev models can flash anything. We would need safe strap/boot strap in order to flash.
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From what I have been reading I think they are pretty close with Safestrap3 for the M

TheMayor5152 said:
From what I have been reading I think they are pretty close with Safestrap3 for the M
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Where are you reading this? I'm interested in where to find the latest news on it i need to catch up on Motorola development....
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I'm just talking about dhacker29 and hashcode0f twitter posts. This is from the 24th on HashCode0f
Alex Walton‏@audix321
@Hashcode0f are you still working on a safe strap for the RAZR M?
24 OctHashcode‏@Hashcode0f
@audix321 Yes. Working on some bugs with the new splashscreen supporting softkeys.

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I'm just talking about dhacker29 and hashcode0f twitter posts. This is from the 24th on HashCode0f
Alex Walton‏@audix321
@Hashcode0f are you still working on a safe strap for the RAZR M?
24 OctHashcode‏@Hashcode0f
@audix321 Yes. Working on some bugs with the new splashscreen supporting softkeys.
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Is that it? Wow I'm more excited now
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I'm just talking about dhacker29 and hashcode0f twitter posts. This is from the 24th on HashCode0f<br />
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@Hashcode0f are you still working on a safe strap for the RAZR M? <br />
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@audix321 Yes. Working on some bugs with the new splashscreen supporting softkeys.
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This is awesome!!
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I would love to donate if they can unlock the locked device to load up roms... awesome...
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simpledave said:
I would love to donate if they can unlock the locked device to load up roms... awesome...
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As would I.
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simpledave said:
I would love to donate if they can unlock the locked device to load up roms... awesome...
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Dyelon said:
As would I.
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That would be almost impossible. One does not simply crack a Motorola boot loader. Either we get a leak, or they let us unlock it on the website. We are only gunna get safe strap is my prediction.
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antp121 said:
That would be almost impossible. One does not simply crack a Motorola boot loader. Either we get a leak, or they let us unlock it on the website. We are only gunna get safe strap is my prediction.
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I'd be more than happy with safestrap at this point. I mean this phone was 99% unrootable until Dan started getting back in the game. So M user's should take anything they can get at this point.
Plus if we were able to get plenty of workarounds for the original Razr's then I don't see why dhacker, p3, hash, etc, won't be able to do it for the M.
Got a white one on the way w00t w00t.

got556 said:
I'd be more than happy with safestrap at this point. I mean this phone was 99% unrootable until Dan started getting back in the game. So M user's should take anything they can get at this point.
Plus if we were able to get plenty of workarounds for the original Razr's then I don't see why dhacker, p3, hash, etc, won't be able to do it for the M.
Got a white one on the way w00t w00t.
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They will. You just won't get an unlockable bootloader. We will definitely get safe strap in the near future.
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Keeping my S3, but the M will be the gf's phone. Wonder if she'll let me use it to try and port Paranoid Android over.
Aside from the original Galaxy Note, I've never wanted a phone more than the M, due to it's size, incidentally the same reason I wanted the Note originally lol.
Just can't give up my S3. But as you can see from my signature, I love Moto phones so maybe I'll end up with the Razr M HD or something lol.

got556 said:
Keeping my S3, but the M will be the gf's phone. Wonder if she'll let me use it to try and port Paranoid Android over.
Aside from the original Galaxy Note, I've never wanted a phone more than the M, due to it's size, incidentally the same reason I wanted the Note originally lol.
Just can't give up my S3. But as you can see from my signature, I love Moto phones so maybe I'll end up with the Razr M HD or something lol.
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Definitely a great phone. I'd recommend it. The RAZR HD is better, but you gotta like a bigger phone. I like the 4.3" screen. Believe it or not, this is the smallest android phone I've ever owned. Smaller then my Samsung fascinate!
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antp121 said:
Definitely a great phone. I'd recommend it. The RAZR HD is better, but you gotta like a bigger phone. I like the 4.3" screen. Believe it or not, this is the smallest android phone I've ever owned. Smaller then my Samsung fascinate!
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Played with the M extensively, (my Lieutenant has one), and I'm the go to guy for all rooting and romming needs at work. His has some considerable lag and I can't help but chalk it up to the 1gb of RAM vs the 2gb on the S3. Touchwiz runs smoother and pushing a much larger screen and about 400 more megabytes worth of crap built into Sammy's rom.
W/ that said Moto has my heart and up until my S3 the Razr was the best phone I had owned. Hell I got my parents two Maxx's to get them started on their venture into smartphones. They love them.
Will be interested to do radio strength comparisons. My S3 was pulling better reception than my LT's M, side by side and where mine would still be in 4G, his was in 3G. This seems hit or miss w/ the M's, kind of like the VZW Gnex's. My Gnex was always rock solid on radios but my g/f's Gnex was horrendous. Well we went through 4 Gnex's til we got one that wouldn't drop a signal, sitting right next to mine w full 4G. (Have a tower literally 100ft from my apartment.)
Which brings me to my next point. This whole radio thing w/ the M has baffled me b/c that and build quality are what has always won me, along with others over when it comes to Moto. Locked BL's suck but radio strength and quality mean the world to me. I'm a bit superstitious and my g/f has the most awful luck w/ phones, (i.e....went through 4 Gnex's, her first 4S wouldn't activate on VZW and it was brand new, had to get a replacement, her RAZR charging port got jacked up and she's gentle with her phones, had to get a replacement, we bought her a used RAZR a month ago to leave the 4S behind, and this one wouldn't pull 4G at all....flashed every radio I could....I'm tellin ya, this girl has no luck w/ phones and I pray we actually get a good M, else I think I'm gonna tell her ass to just stick with dumbphones.

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They will. You just won't get an unlockable bootloader. We will definitely get safe strap in the near future.
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noob alert!: safestrap is a safe (a-durrrr) way to flash ROMs, right?
whats the development process like for safestrap? what kind of things is one bypassing by utilizing a tool like that?
just wondering! by the time I got to the Xoom all the devving was full blast so I missed out on the early discussions

Dyelon said:
noob alert!: safestrap is a safe (a-durrrr) way to flash ROMs, right?
whats the development process like for safestrap? what kind of things is one bypassing by utilizing a tool like that?
just wondering! by the time I got to the Xoom all the devving was full blast so I missed out on the early discussions
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I'm pretty sure safestrap is like a recovery for locked boot loader devices. Since we are unable to change the boot img, we must work with that kernel and boot IMG. With safe strap, you have rom "slots" where you can install a system on a SD card (I think, haven't used it). If anyone has a better explanation/more details, help would be nice
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antp121 said:
I'm pretty sure safestrap is like a recovery for locked boot loader devices. Since we are unable to change the boot img, we must work with that kernel and boot IMG. With safe strap, you have rom "slots" where you can install a system on a SD card (I think, haven't used it). If anyone has a better explanation/more details, help would be nice
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It's basically like creating an extra partition. It bypasses the original startup by booting into the actual Safestrap boot screen. From there you have the option to go straight to recovery or do nothing and let the phone load into whatever partition you have active (safe side or non safe side).
Usually safe side is where you custom rom is and what you boot up to. Non safe side is your factory image. W/ bootstrap it would basically overwrite your factory image while piggybacking onto the factory bootloader. Safestrap was invented to prevent bricking in the event that fastboot files weren't available or a serious brick occurs.
Once you get really good, you can figure out ways to flash a custom rom on your non safe side (factory image side) and then another custom rom on your safe side. Virtually having dual boot on two custom roms lol.

I can't wait for some custom business on my M. I have been surprised with how much I love this device. My buddy has an S3 and I wouldn't trade for nothing. I just miss my ability to flash roms and tweak like my og razr.
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got556 said:
Played with the M extensively, (my Lieutenant has one), and I'm the go to guy for all rooting and romming needs at work. His has some considerable lag and I can't help but chalk it up to the 1gb of RAM vs the 2gb on the S3. Touchwiz runs smoother and pushing a much larger screen and about 400 more megabytes worth of crap built into Sammy's rom.
W/ that said Moto has my heart and up until my S3 the Razr was the best phone I had owned. Hell I got my parents two Maxx's to get them started on their venture into smartphones. They love them.
Will be interested to do radio strength comparisons. My S3 was pulling better reception than my LT's M, side by side and where mine would still be in 4G, his was in 3G. This seems hit or miss w/ the M's, kind of like the VZW Gnex's. My Gnex was always rock solid on radios but my g/f's Gnex was horrendous. Well we went through 4 Gnex's til we got one that wouldn't drop a signal, sitting right next to mine w full 4G. (Have a tower literally 100ft from my apartment.)
Which brings me to my next point. This whole radio thing w/ the M has baffled me b/c that and build quality are what has always won me, along with others over when it comes to Moto. Locked BL's suck but radio strength and quality mean the world to me. I'm a bit superstitious and my g/f has the most awful luck w/ phones, (i.e....went through 4 Gnex's, her first 4S wouldn't activate on VZW and it was brand new, had to get a replacement, her RAZR charging port got jacked up and she's gentle with her phones, had to get a replacement, we bought her a used RAZR a month ago to leave the 4S behind, and this one wouldn't pull 4G at all....flashed every radio I could....I'm tellin ya, this girl has no luck w/ phones and I pray we actually get a good M, else I think I'm gonna tell her ass to just stick with dumbphones.
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I had an S3 for 2 months before trading for an M. Your findings are pretty much similar to mine. Radio seems a bit weaker than my S3 was. Also my S3 rarely lagged, but I have ran into lag issues with the M, not often but it's there and I also feel it's from the 1GB ram as I've underclocked my S3 before and it didn't lag like the M can sometimes.

[Q] Re-group for finding a way to root?

Hello! I know that today there is no root for KK 4.4.2 with Locked BL. But I can not find any answer to idea why we can not take 2 phones (A with unlocked BL running KK 4.4.2 and B with locked BL on KK 4.4.2) and using dump make B as clone of A? What is preventing to do so? QFuse? Special signature like ssh on iPhone? If phone A passed all signature checks while getting 4.4.2 OTA why we can not do the same for phone B?
Are there any team which is trying to find a way to root or everybody works separately? Maybe it's right time to re-group, share the information, analyze what we have and try to find new weak points?

Problem is the phone B with locked BL has /system partition write-protected and there is no way to flash a rooted dump from phone A into it.
Unlocked BL doesn't check signatures (which is what it means to have an unlocked BL) while locked BL does check for signatures (which are impossible to spoof), so you're not getting past that with a ROM dump.

GnatGoSplat said:
Unlocked BL doesn't check signatures (which is what it means to have an unlocked BL) while locked BL does check for signatures (which are impossible to spoof), so you're not getting past that with a ROM dump.
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It's not impossible, but just astronomically improbable. You would need the private key that Motorola uses to sign their code, that involves theft or brute forcing (which would probably take longer than the universe has been around by a large factor).

You're asking for people to try to find an exploit on a phone that is probably at EOL, it's probably not going to happen. There aren't "teams" that just sit around and try to find root exploits for every Android device out there. Yes, there are few very intelligent people that have found many of the exploits, but if they're not motivated by an $18K+ bounty on a brand new device (read: S5), then I highly doubt they'll be motivated for this device. My solution? Stick to unlockable phones from now on. That's why I moved on to the M8, even though my HD and M are both unlocked/rooted with the previous exploit.

Not sure if it works for the M but .... A root exploit has been released today for the newer motos on 4.4 & 4.4.2 (pre April 30th for Ultras).
This release was brought to us by none other then Jcase.
Please help and contribute to the bounty for all the work and talent he has shared over time here on XDA.
Root exploit is in the Moto X forum.
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Didn't work on the M.

Well there goes that idea. Worth a shot.
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Any way to adopt that root for our device? Or again we have no such exploit?

Galchonok said:
Any way to adopt that root for our device? Or again we have no such exploit?
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You can't just "adopt" root.
This is a direct quote from this thread http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/topic/46155-info-status-of-root-for-kitkat-build-182183/ on Droidrzr.com about why it doesn't work on the older Razrs:
Yeah I had jcase on hangouts. We did some digging and the patch that they applied in the coming 4.4.3 builds is present in the 4.4.2 build on the xt907 and xt926.
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^^^This patch is the one that's talked about on the XDA front page.

Oh Sh~t..I think I'll sell my Razr M and buy something more flexible for rooting.

Problem is, if you want a small Android with decent specs, and I don't mean just one with a smaller screen, but also with a smaller body/bezels, Motorola's pretty much the only game in town.
For $47 shipped, I picked up what I HOPE is a BL unlocked RAZR M. In my free time, I waded through hundreds of eBay auctions till I found an M with a screenshot of something other than stock ROM and found one with CM on it.

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Problem is, if you want a small Android with decent specs, and I don't mean just one with a smaller screen, but also with a smaller body/bezels, Motorola's pretty much the only game in town.
For $47 shipped, I picked up what I HOPE is a BL unlocked RAZR M. In my free time, I waded through hundreds of eBay auctions till I found an M with a screenshot of something other than stock ROM and found one with CM on it.
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Nice find! Razr Ms are still going for no less than $100 on Swappa, so hopefully you got a sweet deal. :good:
I only wish I was so lucky. :/

Strife89 said:
Nice find! Razr Ms are still going for no less than $100 on Swappa, so hopefully you got a sweet deal. :good:
I only wish I was so lucky. :/
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Normally they don't go that cheap. Part of the reason might be because it has a cracked camera lens, but I bought a new one for $8.95. Possibly people also get scared off when they see a non-stock ROM because they want something that hasn't been tampered with. It's not the first time I've seen an M with CM on it that went for lower than average.
Hopefully the phone turns out to be BL unlocked and not safe-strapped. Seller said he was 99% sure it was BL unlocked. If not, no biggie, I should at least be able to get my money back if I resell it.
I might still keep looking because the phone I bought was white and I really prefer black.

Root (DROID)

Okay, so call me crazy/stupid but what is the easiest way to root my Moto Z Force Droid Edition?

ThisIsAGoodUsername said:
Okay, so call me crazy/stupid but what is the easiest way to root my Moto Z Force Droid Edition?
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Root is automatically activated when the phone has been in free fall for more than 10 seconds. Find a tall building and throw your phone off of it.
Seriously, have a look around before you post questions like this.
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ThisIsAGoodUsername said:
Okay, so call me crazy/stupid but what is the easiest way to root my Moto Z Force Droid Edition?
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Not at all at the moment.

PiousInquisitor said:
Root is automatically activated when the phone has been in free fall for more than 10 seconds. Find a tall building and throw your phone off of it.
Seriously, have a look around before you post questions like this.
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He was just asking a basic question. Did you really have to reply so meanly to him?

With it being a Verizon Droid brand, there's a good chance the answer is never. Probably not a lot of developers with the phone and Big Red is pretty serious about locking it down, hence the answers.

PiousInquisitor said:
Root is automatically activated when the phone has been in free fall for more than 10 seconds. Find a tall building and throw your phone off of it.
Seriously, have a look around before you post questions like this.
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Actually I have looked. I have seen several sources that claim rooting this latest VZW Droid phone is trivially easy. They even post instructions on how to do it.
Now, I wasn't at first going to believe those sources, because they have some odd errors, like 1/2 way thru their instructions they start to refer to the Mot Z Force Droid as being a Samsung phone.
However, based on your knowledgeable answer, I will take your vouching that these sources are being 100% reliable.

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However, based on your knowledgeable answer, I will take your vouching that these sources are being 100% reliable.
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Quite the opposite. If there isn't a root method on this forum, then there isn't one that works.
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WaltA said:
Actually I have looked. I have seen several sources that claim rooting this latest VZW Droid phone is trivially easy. They even post instructions on how to do it.
Now, I wasn't at first going to believe those sources, because they have some odd errors, like 1/2 way thru their instructions they start to refer to the Mot Z Force Droid as being a Samsung phone.
However, based on your knowledgeable answer, I will take your vouching that these sources are being 100% reliable.
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I've seen several sources claiming root for NON-VZW Moto Z phones (i.e.: Bootloader unlocked), I've seen none valid for VZW Droid (i.e.: Locked down like fort Knox)... Guess we have different search engines.
Wrote to Moto, no intention of unlocking it either. So unless someone finds an exploit/backdoor/Universal unlock key, you're SOL.

The current issue is that taking an update will destroy your chances of getting root. Take 0 updates until an exploit is found that will allow us root. Dirtycow/quadrooter are the only linux exploits that we might be able to get to work. Its just a matter of who. I know Jcase (https://twitter.com/jcase?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) has posted in a couple places about compiling dirtycow and even has an "Android Hacking" basics kinda PDF floating around. He has done a lot in the community (SunShine) he doesn't deserve the hate being thrown at him for not developing a root method for this one device.

daifunai said:
He was just asking a basic question. Did you really have to reply so meanly to him?
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It's the trend nowadays.
Instead of helping he posts what he did.
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Sirshark10 said:
Take 0 updates until an exploit is found that will allow us root.
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Oh. Well now I regret taking all those updates. I still doubt we'll get root on this device tho. I can only hope. It seems XDA forums has gone quiet and essentially given up on trying to root this phone, but I hope I'm wrong about that.

MOARStuff said:
Oh. Well now I regret taking all those updates. I still doubt we'll get root on this device tho. I can only hope. It seems XDA forums has gone quiet and essentially given up on trying to root this phone, but I hope I'm wrong about that.
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pretty much true

I wish that some developer would even try working on this. I myself have thought of many things and will probably create a separate post for root soon since I have a couple ideas which I feel MIGHT MAYBE work, but I need the XDA community to pitch in and help me think of a method. Like I said, I have a rough idea but it needs refining, which I can hopefully get from the community.

Moto z force jailbreak
So what you guys are saying it's inpossable to jail brake our phone? So I should just go out and get a new phone if I want to jail break it?

I was aware the when I bought my phone used that the Droid version probably wouldn't see root anytime soon but I bought it anyway because I did research online and felt the phone had good enough specs and the UI looked good and had cool features so I personally don't even need or miss having root on this phone. My reasons for rooting phones has ALWAYS been for performance tweaks with occasional UI adjustments.
My last phone was an Acend XT (H611) which before having the bootloader unlocked and flashing a debloated and tweaked stock rom it was an utter POS. I paid $50 for that Ascent XT and I liked it but performance and UI wise it doesn't even compare to the Moto Z Force. So I personally don't even miss having root.
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Alex222339 said:
So what you guys are saying it's inpossable to jail brake our phone? So I should just go out and get a new phone if I want to jail break it?
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Yeah need bootloader unlocked and Verizon won't let Lenovo Unlock our Droid version.
I am more concerned about when we will get another update for Oreo because it has problems sometimes.... I have to restart my phone once a week because the fingerprint scanner or chop for flashlight stop working or some other random bug pops up.

Damn Verizon, thets how they killed the turbo 2

Any owners or prospective owners out there?

I actually work for Sprint and would consider picking up this phone if it got some decent developer support. If anyone has any basic questions about the device or its specs feel free to ask as I have played with it pretty extensively. It's an HTC device so hopefully it has an unlockable bootloader?

I should be receiving my Bolt in a few days, but I recall HTC stating that phones 2011 and newer will be able to unlock their bootloaders but certain models will be unlockable due to operators restriction.
Hopefully this phone gets some decent developer support.

Nice. As far as we can get it - m9 will get N faster) I'm also wanting to take a look at bolt's audio system, but system dump needed.

UltraM8 said:
Nice. As far as we can get it - m9 will get N faster) I'm also wanting to take a look at bolt's audio system, but system dump needed.
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By N do you mean nougat? Cause the Bolt comes with Nougat 7.0 out of the box. First HTC phone to get it.
Also I'm not sure if XDA's description of the Bolt where it states the device is a mid range one from HTC is accurate. This is clearly intended to be a flagship. Sure it has the SD 810, but even in 2016 that is hardly a mid range SOC, and the device has many flagship qualities like a 5.5 inch quad HD display, an all metal unibody design with water resistance, large battery, USB type C, expandable storage, latest version of Android, etc.
There is even the whole LTE plus support thing which is a quality that other flagship on Sprint do not have. Oh and it has a 16mp camera with OIS. How exactly is this a mid range?
I have played with this phone a lot at work and it is very responsive. I don't think the SD 810 makes a difference.

elsamuraiguapo said:
By N do you mean nougat? Cause the Bolt comes with Nougat 7.0 out of the box. First HTC phone to get it.
Also I'm not sure if XDA's description of the Bolt where it states the device is a mid range one from HTC is accurate. This is clearly intended to be a flagship. Sure it has the SD 810, but even in 2016 that is hardly a mid range SOC, and the device has many flagship qualities like a 5.5 inch quad HD display, an all metal unibody design with water resistance, large battery, USB type C, expandable storage, latest version of Android, etc.
There is even the whole LTE plus support thing which is a quality that other flagship on Sprint do not have. Oh and it has a 16mp camera with OIS. How exactly is this a mid range?
I have played with this phone a lot at work and it is very responsive. I don't think the SD 810 makes a difference.
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I care only about audio man) Bolt seems to be a slightly upgraded version of m9, which i'm very happy with. I just want to put my hands on Bolt's system dump asap)

Just picked mine up today... Any devs need a system dump?

I got mine today

HTC has the latest 1.17.651.11 RUU posted, I'm downloading then will posted imgs as well as firmware & stock rooted rom

OMJ said:
HTC has the latest 1.17.651.11 RUU posted, I'm downloading then will posted imgs as well as firmware & stock rooted rom
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Please can you share the new apk's clock (with widget) and the new camera (with panorama selfie)?

drob311 said:
Just picked mine up today... Any devs need a system dump?
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Yes!! I want to port usb audio stuff to m9. Also wanna take a look at new SRS/DTS stuff) PM me, bro.

anyone try S-off yet?

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anyone try S-off yet?
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I didn't do the HTC unlock. I tried sunshine in hopes of getting lucky and not having to use HTC unlock... No luck... Once I unlock bootloader, I'll try sunshine again.

drob311 said:
I didn't do the HTC unlock. I tried sunshine in hopes of getting lucky and not having to use HTC unlock... No luck... Once I unlock bootloader, I'll try sunshine again.
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I don't think sunshine will work yet...their website shows it supports up to android 6.0.1...jcase needs some partitions pulled to be able to update

Well... After my pizza arrives, I'll start the process of rooting this bad boy. My plan is HTC unlock, flash twrp, flash SuperSU. Once I get root, I'll pull whatever info jcase needs... What's all this talk about data partition getting corrupted after unlock?

drob311 said:
Well... After my pizza arrives, I'll start the process of rooting this bad boy. My plan is HTC unlock, flash twrp, flash SuperSU. Once I get root, I'll pull whatever info jcase needs... What's all this talk about data partition getting corrupted after unlock?
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cool...I believe after unlocking it factory resets

I would like a system Dump. Work got me one I will have it shortly

hawknest said:
I would like a system Dump. Work got me one I will have it shortly
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I have the system img posted here...http://forum.xda-developers.com/bolt/development/ruu-sprint-htc-bolt-1-17-651-11-updated-t3502778

Sorry for the dumb question does the bolt have a unlocked boot loader
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sliverr7x said:
Sorry for the dumb question does the bolt have a unlocked boot loader
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all HTC devices come locked by default, but yes the Bolt can be unlocked via htcdev.com

sliverr7x said:
Sorry for the dumb question does the bolt have a unlocked boot loader
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You can unlock it but obtaining root is a different story... I've been slowly working on it with OMJ's help. I can't get SuperSU to flash and actually mod the boot.img...
If you have any luck, please let me know what you did. Thanks!