http://youtu.be/aTpFTifoMks
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I'd choose a Sony over that every single time!
Where is the glass part of the phone btw? This phone is just like all the others, while Sony has a back and front plate made out of glass.
that's one chunky
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I'd choose a Sony over that every single time!
Where is the glass part of the phone btw? This phone is just like all the others, while Sony has a back and front plate made out of glass.
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Did you watch the video with your eyes open?
One side of every mobile phone made, is glass, you know, so you can see through it to the information on the display! It would be quite problematic if they placed a plastic, rubber or metal casing over the phones actual lcd display as you would not be able to interact with its touch capabilities nor would you be able to see the screen!
My post is only talking purely about the glass.
I have a z3 compact and love it. However the glass is not resilient enough.
Imagine if on the iteration of the z4 Sony used this glass, front and back, then just increased the thickness of the nylon corners by 1-2mm so that when placed flat on a surface this was the only part that touched.
Close to perfection! Naked phone all day everyday ☺
That's one chunky and ugly phone! But at least I'd trust the glass more than I do the Z3c's
Funny thing is, many people's iPhones, Xperias, Galaxies etc. end up looking just as chunky and ugly when wrapped with big ol' cases for protection :laugh:
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Did you watch the video with your eyes open?
One side of every mobile phone made, is glass, you know, so you can see through it to the information on the display! It would be quite problematic if they placed a plastic, rubber or metal casing over the phones actual lcd display as you would not be able to interact with its touch capabilities nor would you be able to see the screen!
My post is only talking purely about the glass.
I have a z3 compact and love it. However the glass is not resilient enough.
Imagine if on the iteration of the z4 Sony used this glass, front and back, then just increased the thickness of the nylon corners by 1-2mm so that when placed flat on a surface this was the only part that touched.
Close to perfection! Naked phone all day everyday ☺
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It was 5am when I watched the video. Anyways... What I meant was, Sony has one front and rear glass body, while that phone has only the front part that's made out of glass, that's why I said that the phone is similar to other phones out there. The rear of the phone you linked takes most of the impact when the phone falls. Glass can take less hits (Sony front and rear)
In the end it doesn't matter if the phone is shatterproof/breakproof/waterproof. It's proof until a certain point.
It really doesn't matter if the/a phone is made out of diamonds, it will never be indestructible.
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It was 5am when I watched the video. Anyways... What I meant was, Sony has one front and rear glass body, while that phone has only the front part that's made out of glass, that's why I said that the phone is similar to other phones out there. The rear of the phone you linked takes most of the impact when the phone falls. Glass can take less hits (Sony front and rear)
In the end it doesn't matter if the phone is shatterproof/breakproof/waterproof. It's proof until a certain point.
It really doesn't matter if the/a phone is made out of diamonds, it will never be indestructible.
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Sometimes I don't know why I bother, some people just look for the black clouds in everything!
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Sometimes I don't know why I bother, some people just look for the black clouds in everything!
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Exactly! Hence the title of this topic. This is a Sony section, I don't see what you can/want to reach by posting such a video here.
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Exactly! Hence the title of this topic. This is a Sony section, I don't see what you can/want to reach by posting such a video here.
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OMG here come the clouds!
I actually get what you mean, and it would certainly be nice seeing something like that on a smartphone with 2 glass sides, but it would be really expensive. The off-contract price for Z3 Compact is already $500+, if both sides had a sapphire glass it would cost $700 or most likely more (especially since Sony does not produce their own sapphire glass). And the sapphire glass, while scratch-proof, can still break during certain impacts, as the video has shown. I'd rather see Sony use a better quality glass - not a sapphire but something which doesn't crack during normal usage, like some Z3C's currently do
This thread is pointless.
A Phone with sapphire front and backpanel, as thin as the Z3, would be way more prone to cracking. While sapphire is much more scratch resistant it's also more brittle. Harder = more brittle. So what exactly is the point of this thread?
A bulky phone with a rugged design and built in bumper is stronger than a thin phone without all these rugged reinforcements? Who could have expected that? :cyclops:
Thanks, exactly what I just wanted to say. And the fact that the phone is so bulky is one reason they can use sapphire glass at all.
Apple invested hundreds of millions of dollars in sapphire, and still the iPhone 6 doesn't use it. Guess why.
http://time.com/3377972/why-apple-didnt-use-sapphire-iphone-screens/
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Thanks, exactly what I just wanted to say. And the fact that the phone is so bulky is one reason they can use sapphire glass at all.
Apple invested hundreds of millions of dollars in sapphire, and still the iPhone 6 doesn't use it. Guess why.
http://time.com/3377972/why-apple-didnt-use-sapphire-iphone-screens/
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Sorry to bring some rays of bright, ambitious, product design ideas to the forum!
The whole idea of my thread was to highlight the possibility of better glass for Sony. I for one am not so concerned about shock/impact resilence as I have never been so clumsy as to drop a phone. However to have a screen that remains scratch free for its intended life span? Well I would pay an extra $50 for that! Additionally like I said, if they redesigned the phone frame/bumper most of the shock due to a drop would not transmit to the screen.
In closing, it's hilarious how those of you who posted negative , inflammatory comments on the pointlessness of this thread.
It was obviously meaningful enough for you to waste your petty time, energy and minds on!
What a waste of internet space this thread is.
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When people think they're smarter than multi-billion dollar companies they either have a good reason or they didn't check the facts.
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That's one chunky and ugly phone! But at least I'd trust the glass more than I do the Z3c's
Funny thing is, many people's iPhones, Xperias, Galaxies etc. end up looking just as chunky and ugly when wrapped with big ol' cases for protection :laugh:
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Ahh some refreshing, intelligent and insightful comments.
Thankyou for your time and thoughts ☺
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I actually get what you mean, and it would certainly be nice seeing something like that on a smartphone with 2 glass sides, but it would be really expensive. The off-contract price for Z3 Compact is already $500+, if both sides had a sapphire glass it would cost $700 or most likely more (especially since Sony does not produce their own sapphire glass). And the sapphire glass, while scratch-proof, can still break during certain impacts, as the video has shown. I'd rather see Sony use a better quality glass - not a sapphire but something which doesn't crack during normal usage, like some Z3C's currently do
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Ahh another bright light, who reads a post, understand it's intend purpose and respectfully identified both sides of their opinion.
Good day to you sir ☺
Any type of Sapphire screen would have made the Z3 thicker. Additionally it would have required a total redesign to compensate for the sapphire brittleness.
So again, what is your point? A mistery phone from Sony designed around a sapphire screen? Then this thread should go in the general Sony section.
OP's too butthurt to listen to actual arguments I'm afraid.
Useless thread is useless.
Thread closed.
Related
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PkYlFne52yM
That's some serious guts man
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An excellent video for people that want to go 'naked' should watch.
of course a bumper with some sort of protection for the front & rear is the minimum you want to have if you want your phone to look 'good' 6 months or longer.
A bumper is essential as it isn't difficult to scratch the aluminium (keys will do it) or remove the paint off the aluminium.
At least the Z1 only has aluminium trim, something like the HTC one whose back was entirely aluminium would have been a nightmare to keep scratch free. Aluminium scratches even easier than glass.
Wow the screen seems to be very good against scratches
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Wow the screen seems to be very good against scratches
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Does not mean anything, i've seen similar videos of people doing the same with gorilla glass.
Does gorilla glass get scratched ? ohh yes, will dragontrail get scratched too ? count on it.
See, its not metal rubbing against the glass that is the issue, but sand which can be anywhere and can easily come into contact with the glass at any time or any place. Are you going to verify that every surface you ever place your phone upon is sand free. Nah. Life's too short to worry about it.
What does this video of utmost importance show that the worst poops do not already know about?
What kind of swankpot are those people?
Or am I missing something?
Was watching his other videos where he does a compare with the G2. In the end the score is a tie.
What surprised me is he gave the Z1 the thumbs up on screen over the G2. Why ? because the x-reality engine makes movies or photos more pleasing to the eye. Almost every other reviewer i've seen harps on about viewing angles etc. From comments i've red here people did not seem to rely too much on x-reality as it can be misleading. Looks great on the phone, but not necessarily the same on another screen without x-reality. But the point is x-reality does a little more that others do not and this he notes and gives the Z1 the point for screen.
The next interesting bit is he gives the camera to the G2 but only by a little amount. he says if he went on vacation he'd prefer to take the G2 instead of the Z1 but that's not to say the Z1 does not have a good camera but its not altogether quite there.
Another curious point he mentions about the Z1 in another review is he finds that sometimes stubble on your face can get caught on the Z1 in the gap where the screen meets the frame. He found it curious as that's not happened with any other phone. Anyone that goes around with 5 days beard growth or more want to comment on that ?
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Another curious point he mentions about the Z1 in another review is he finds that sometimes stubble on your face can get caught on the Z1 in the gap where the screen meets the frame. He found it curious as that's not happened with any other phone. Anyone that goes around with 5 days beard growth or more want to comment on that ?
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I can definitely confirm
Bumper case ordered
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Wow the screen seems to be very good against scratches
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i know..
it's total bull****... the anti shatter film has 0 scratch resistance
I was so pissed when i realize so many scratches on it.
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Another curious point he mentions about the Z1 in another review is he finds that sometimes stubble on your face can get caught on the Z1 in the gap where the screen meets the frame. He found it curious as that's not happened with any other phone. Anyone that goes around with 5 days beard growth or more want to comment on that ?
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Yes. I get a free beard trimming with every phone call I make thanks to my lovely Z1. Just have to remember to switch sides each time to keep things symmetrical
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I can definitely confirm
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Yes. I get a free beard trimming with every phone call I make thanks to my lovely Z1.
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Damn! two replies within a day. Guess that's a another reason to have a bumper with the Z1
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Just have to remember to switch sides each time to keep things symmetrical
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Damn. Its so scary to drop the phone. And with all the z1 users screen gets cracked when they take it out in their pockets or bags.
I hope everyone gets to each and every feature of this beast to make themselves proud to own when this comes out in March
It has double tap to wake up
Front-facing stereo speakers is a great feature to me.
It's not "delightful" but It's a discovery nonetheless:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t7kaC6Gx8s
Anyway, this is a minor issue for me because:
a. I'll much more likely end up with the black or even purple version than the white one.
b. I don't think that there are many people which would use this piece of jewel without any kind of case or extra protection.
A minor detail really but maybe worth considering, especially by white color fans
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It's not "delightful" but It's a discovery nonetheless:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t7kaC6Gx8s
Anyway, this is a minor issue for me because:
a. I'll much more likely end up with the black or even purple version than the white one.
b. I don't think that there are many people which would use this piece of jewel without any kind of case or extra protection.
A minor detail really but maybe worth considering, especially by white color fans
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I agree very minor, all mobiles WITHOUT protection will wear , stain or have damage, what's new , I've pre-ordered Black version anyway
Perhaps I should complain about my leather wallet that has many wear marks & has become discoloured , there are many other examples of things we keep in our pockets of varying value that become discoloured,stained, marked or worn.
When aluminium gets marked, that's it, it's marked forever.....so perhaps Sony should not have framed the xperia in aluminium....
I have preordered the white one, but yeah I hope case will fix the issue. I like the black one also to, but it seems to get very greasy and alot of fingerprints all over.
I kind like these cases: http://www.xperiaguide.com/2014/02/25/xperia-z2-style-cover-stand-scr10/scr10-xperia-z2-case/
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I agree very minor, all mobiles WITHOUT protection will wear , stain or have damage, what's new , I've pre-ordered Black version anyway
Perhaps I should complain about my leather wallet that has many wear marks & has become discoloured , there are many other examples of things we keep in our pockets of varying value that become discoloured,stained, marked or worn.
When aluminium gets marked, that's it, it's marked forever.....so perhaps Sony should not have framed the xperia in aluminium....
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I have preordered the white one, but yeah I hope case will fix the issue. I like the black one also to, but it seems to get very greasy and alot of fingerprints all over.
I kind like these cases: http://www.xperiaguide.com/2014/02/25/xperia-z2-style-cover-stand-scr10/scr10-xperia-z2-case/
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Yeah really like those cases.
A delightful discovery that I found out a couple of days ago is that the Xperia Z2 phone & tablet will NOT be using the Anti-shatter film on them :highfive: Thank goodness they got rid of that :victory:
blog here:-
http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/02/25/no-anti-shatter-film-on-xperia-z2-and-xperia-z2-tablet/
Yeah I know, its great, I didnt buy the Z1 because of the shatter film. So that is fantastic.
Publicglutton said:
Yeah really like those cases.
A delightful discovery that I found out a couple of days ago is that the Xperia Z2 phone & tablet will NOT be using the Anti-shatter film on them :highfive: Thank goodness they got rid of that :victory:
blog here:-
http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/02/25/no-anti-shatter-film-on-xperia-z2-and-xperia-z2-tablet/
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The rounded edges are now seamlessly round and not angular like the Z1. This should make it even nicer to hold. They also changed the places with coloring. Now there are no shiny surfaces facing the viewer which is nice. Addition of gestures for muting calls and callin etc. is also very nice.
I remember when the iphone 4 came out all glass front and back. Thought that was the dumbest idea ever for a cellphone. I've always been one to put a case usually speck hard candy on my devices for that drop protection and especially would so with this device being all glass back and front. Never understood the big deal on what "color" device to get since once you have a case on your phone you don't see the "color" of the phone anymore? I guess maybe the plastic injected molding color might still be visible, idk?
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I remember when the iphone 4 came out all glass front and back. Thought that was the dumbest idea ever for a cellphone. I've always been one to put a case usually speck hard candy on my devices for that drop protection and especially would so with this device being all glass back and front. Never understood the big deal on what "color" device to get since once you have a case on your phone you don't see the "color" of the phone anymore? I guess maybe the plastic injected molding color might still be visible, idk?
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Having had the SGS3 for quite a while now, a couple of days after getting the phone I received a cover for it in the mail and it hasn't come off since. The thing is, with the SGS3, I thought it was required since the polycarbonate would get blasted pretty fast. I think with the couple of days it already got some light scratches. Now with the Z2, I can get a screen protector for both sides and not worry about it. This is by no means a cheap purchase for me and I want to keep it for many years to come but I think the screen/glass protectors will suffice. I never drop my phones and the Z1 has proven to do well in drop tests. If it breaks, I got insurance to cover it. I will opt for the purple one and really want to enjoy it in all of its glory. Are you really buying a device this sexy just to cover it up?
Other option would be to get a little rim bumber protector for it. Definitely more protection and glass off the grass, without sacrificing much of the looks. Some may even prefer it with one on.
Really rugged: http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/hectobylinklum/item/10000528/
Everything else: https://www.google.fi/search?client...4j1.5.0....0...1c.1.36.img..6.0.0.x6ylcQOQ15o
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Having had the SGS3 for quite a while now, a couple of days after getting the phone I received a cover for it in the mail and it hasn't come off since. The thing is, with the SGS3, I thought it was required since the polycarbonate would get blasted pretty fast. I think with the couple of days it already got some light scratches. Now with the Z2, I can get a screen protector for both sides and not worry about it. This is by no means a cheap purchase for me and I want to keep it for many years to come but I think the screen/glass protectors will suffice. I never drop my phones and the Z1 has proven to do well in drop tests. If it breaks, I got insurance to cover it. I will opt for the purple one and really want to enjoy it in all of its glory. Are you really buying a device this sexy just to cover it up?
Other option would be to get a little rim bumber protector for it. Definitely more protection and glass off the grass, without sacrificing much of the looks. Some may even prefer it with one on.
Really rugged: http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/hectobylinklum/item/10000528/
Everything else: https://www.google.fi/search?client...4j1.5.0....0...1c.1.36.img..6.0.0.x6ylcQOQ15o
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I'm kind of people that carry my phone in my pants pocket, and when I do that with my SGS4, it's already got scratch in the back cover in a few days.3 pr 4 days I didn't know, when I look, it's already there.
and also use transparent cover will still show the sexy part of the phone
I've put together a Google forms survey to collect some objective breakage data: Sony Xperia Z3 / Z3 Compact - Glass Survey
Please take some time to complete the survey one time whether you've experienced a breakage or not, it's important to have a complete set of data. You will be able to view the survey results after submitting the form.
Please take the survey a 2nd time ONLY if you have previously completed it to report no damage but now have a damaged screen or back glass and wish to report it. Make sure to properly check Question 2 to indicate a re-take.
Direct link to results summary, just in case you want to check back later: Sony Xperia Z3 / Z3 Compact - Glass Survey Responses
Direct link to results spreadsheet: Sony Xperia Z3 / Z3 Compact - Glass Survey Responses (Spreadsheet)
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I've put together a Google forms survey to collect some objective breakage data: Sony Xperia Z3 / Z3 Compact - Glass Survey
Please take some time to complete the survey one time whether you've experienced a breakage or not, it's important to have a complete set of data. You will be able to view the survey results after submitting the form.
Direct link to results summary, just in case you want to check back later: Sony Xperia Z3 / Z3 Compact - Glass Survey Responses
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Just filled it in.
Though it would've been useful to include some additional questions, such as the manufacturing week and year, and the part of the serial number that indicates the manufacturing batch.
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Though it would've been useful to include some additional questions, such as the manufacturing week and year, and the part of the serial number that indicates the manufacturing batch..
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Do you know the exact details on how to determine week/year/batch from S/N? I can add those questions, but I don't want to collect S/N's outright.
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Do you know the exact details on how to determine week/year/batch from S/N? I can add those questions, but I don't want to collect S/N's outright.
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Behind the SIM flap is a plastic information sheet that can be pulled out. The production week and year, for example, are indicated by something like "14W38" (that's what's on mine) which means that my unit was manufactured in the 38th week of 2014. I'm not sure about the serial number though. I just looked and there's no immediate "S/N" indication. However there is a big number after the "CE" sign, for me it says "CE 0682". Maybe that is the number of the production batch?
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Behind the SIM flap ...
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Added year / week and your description of how to find it on info sheet. Reminds me of busting open a fortune cookie.
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Reminds me of busting open a fortune cookie.
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Yes it kind of does feel like that.
My two cents
Very informative, thank you.
Just know, if you go looking for something, you can find it.
This phone is still new, so for anyone thinking of getting it, don't let the mass post on glass cracks and drm / camera conversation put you off. This phone is big in the game.
At the time of posting, its a resounding majority "No" to broken glass (small sample)
One day into the survey and we have 51 responses. I find the most interesting data to be that 65% do not use a screen protector and 73% do not use a case.
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One day into the survey and we have 51 responses. I find the most interesting data to be that 65% do not use a screen protector and 73% do not use a case.
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Confirmed! Sony Xperia Z3C users aren't the smartest around! :silly:
What's the percentage of cracked screens?
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What's the percentage of cracked screens?
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The sample size is still small, but 6% for front glass, 9% for back glass.
There is one response where both front and back glass cracked.
In all cases no screen protector or case was in use, with the exception of one cracked back glass while using a TPU case.
There's a link to results in the OP.
It would be nice to get several hundred responses for a more accurate picture.
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It would be nice to get several hundred responses for a more accurate picture.
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Oh yeah, I know don't worry. Just wanted to know the percentage we're at now
Percentages are pretty much useless here because naturally, mainly people with issues come and participate here in the first place. Only Sony or some kind of independent media could give a clue on those percentages.
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It would be nice to get several hundred responses for a more accurate picture.
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But even then there will be a selection bias - people with glass issues are more likely to find this thread than people who are perfectly happy.
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But even then there will be a selection bias - people with glass issues are more likely to find this thread than people who are perfectly happy.
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Exactly.
Edit: but even if only those with glass issues report at least that does give some idea of the number of users affected.
On the Sony Mobile support forum, there is a post from a person whose Z3C's glass cracked while the phone was laying on a table and playing music. Since I did notice that especially the rear glass vibrates very heavily at higher volumes, I'm wondering if those vibrations could induce cracking in some cases?
How could you think that simply the vibrations generated by the (however minuscule) speakers could crack a sheet of glass, let alone Gorilla/Dragontrail glass? Just check some stress tests to see what kind of forces these types of glass can withstand.
The same strange reports about glass cracking on its own appeared for the LG Optimus G and LG Nexus 4 right after launch and then nothing.
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How could you think that simply the vibrations generated by the (however minuscule) speakers could crack a sheet of glass, let alone Gorilla/Dragontrail glass? Just check some stress tests to see what kind of forces these types of glass can withstand.
The same strange reports about glass cracking on its own appeared for the LG Optimus G and LG Nexus 4 right after launch and then nothing.
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The rear is not Gorilla Glass nor Dragontrail.
The glass sheets in said stress test videos are usually much thicker than those used on phones.
Strong vibrations can cause a sheet of glass to crack, especially if the glass has a production fault.
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The rear is not Gorilla Glass nor Dragontrail.
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What kind of glass do they put on the back, then?
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The glass sheets in said stress test videos are usually much thicker than those used on phones.
Strong vibrations can cause a sheet of glass to crack, especially if the glass has a production fault.
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The vibrations generated by the very small speakers are not exactly what I would call "strong", much less glass-cracking strong!
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What kind of glass do they put on the back, then?
The vibrations generated by the very small speakers are not exactly what I would call "strong", much less glass-cracking strong!
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http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperi...ss-is-on-Xperia-Z3-Compact/m-p/838791#U838791
There is no doubt that the rear uses different glass than the front, since the rear is way more prone to scratching than the front.
The vibrations at high volume are pretty strong in this phone, don't forget you've got two of those speakers. In case of (like I said) faulty glass, they may even be harmful to the glass.
dropped z3c on cement and.....
.....no damage. I watched my 1 day old z3c slide off a laundry pile in my basement onto the cement floor (about 5 foot drop) and no cracks or noticable damage.
However, i just took my xperia z2 out of its protective case to sell it and noticed a crack all the way across the back glass. Ive never dropped that phone and its always been in a high quality case. Im thinking the z2 may uave cracked trying to pry it out of the protective case (which fit very tight).
Just my two cents.
It seems there is no end to the z5 misfortunes. For me, it's like 5 min I decide to order the compact, then I read another piece of bad news. Then I think it can't be that bad and what other choice of compact waterproof phone do I have, then I read another piece of bad news, and so on. Anyway, Verge reports a cracked back panel. Looks just like my z3 compact.
www.theverge.com/2015/10/8/9480135/sony-xperia-z5-broken-glass-back
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The Z5C doesn't have a glass back, so happy days.
radjad said:
The Z5C doesn't have a glass back, so happy days.
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Yes it does, frosted glass.
Both sides need to have plastic or temped protection cover
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Its normal you hear all this negative stuff because first thing that people do is when they find something negative and see if the problem can be fixed. When the phone is working fine those people dont care to write a topic or comment.
RiTCHiE007 said:
Its normal you hear all this negative stuff because first thing that people do is when they find something negative and see if the problem can be fixed. When the phone is working fine those people dont care to write a topic or comment.
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That's very true but it also doesn't mean that it is not happening often. There were lots of reports with the z3 series. I was hoping that this spontaneous crack issue would be solved
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Although in this case it is unclear if it was spontaneous or not. He reports that he has an iPhone dock with metal edges on his desk and wonders if the phone might have landed partly on it at a bad angle.
Mind, cracks should still not happen even under such conditions. But it is something different than cracking on its own - this you can at least try to prevent by being careful and/or using a case.
O course, IMO a glass back is still a workbook example of form over function. I much much rather have a "non-premium" plastic back and not having to worry about the back side breaking than the reverse situation.
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Although in this case it is unclear if it was spontaneous or not. He reports that he has an iPhone dock with metal edges on his desk and wonders if the phone might have landed partly on it at a bad angle.
Mind, cracks should still not happen even under such conditions. But it is something different than cracking on its own - this you can at least try to prevent by being careful and/or using a case.
O course, IMO a glass back is still a workbook example of form over function. I much much rather have a "non-premium" plastic back and not having to worry about the back side breaking than the reverse situation.
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Yea dont know why they like to bash on sony while it could be a user that doesn't know his stuff. We all know them people at the verge are never happy with a phone unless its a iphone.
well, we had bend gate with an iphone and we have glass gate with z5c - its food for haters
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Yea dont know why they like to bash on sony while it could be a user that doesn't know his stuff. We all know them people at the verge are never happy with a phone unless its a iphone.
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Or it could be a real issue. It certainly was with the Z3c. I quite often do not agree with the reviews on verge, but automatically disqualifying something because it is posted on that site is a bit too much like fanboyism for me.
Also, someone who is "putting a phone on a table so it accidentally lands at a bad angle on another object" is for me very much not "a user that doesn't know his stuff". Sorry, but a phone which cannot take *that* without getting damaged simply has a design error.
Lets wait an see. It could be an isolated incident or it could be like with its predecessor something relatively common. I for my part will wait till at least Christmas before I but a Z5c. I really want for it to succeed - because if it doesn't we can probably say goodbye to any good android phones sub-5" - but I won't buy it if I have to be afraid it gets damaged each time I do not handle it with kids gloves.
I'm definitely a Sony Xperia fan boy. I love the compacts. I wish they would make compact waterproof phones forever. But even I confess the z3 compact cracked back panel was not just a Crackgate. It was very much real. I really hope it won't be an issue for my soon to order z5 compact.
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I'm definitely a Sony Xperia fan boy. I love the compacts. I wish they would make compact waterproof phones forever. But even I confess the z3 compact cracked back panel was not just a Crackgate. It was very much real. I really hope it won't be an issue for my soon to order z5 compact.
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new one still seem waterproof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X2jSk_5uKY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEpNfOZ_vx4
And i got my z5c today to replace my z3c and i love it! The fingerprint scanner is such a win!
Well I just absolutely annihilated the backing on my two week old z5c.
Carrying boxes, slipped from thigh height onto cement and now looks like a bomb site.
Spiderweb cracks across half the back, glass splinters coming out everywhere.
I know concrete = bad but at least my RAZR m I'm writing from survived that for over a year, including concrete drops, before I put a case on it.
But Christ that back glass is anything but tough.
For the love of god either have insurance or put a case on it. This phone is slippery in any circumstance and one hard surface will ruin your day.
Hoping Sony will be helpful with repairs when I call tomorrow.
Love my phone, hate that they made it this fragile
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Well I just absolutely annihilated the backing on my two week old z5c.
Carrying boxes, slipped from thigh height onto cement and now looks like a bomb site.
Spiderweb cracks across half the back, glass splinters coming out everywhere.
I know concrete = bad but at least my RAZR m I'm writing from survived that for over a year, including concrete drops, before I put a case on it.
But Christ that back glass is anything but tough.
For the love of god either have insurance or put a case on it. This phone is slippery in any circumstance and one hard surface will ruin your day.
Hoping Sony will be helpful with repairs when I call tomorrow.
Love my phone, hate that they made it this fragile
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be happy its just the back tho because the back is easy to replace.
My z5c back just broke.
Took it in my hand. Did nothing.
Heard a click and there it was.
The upside of glass its alot more scratch resistance from plastic even from aluminium
the down side is more sensitive to high heat\cold changes and hits can stutter it more easily
i'vgot silicon case
Well, my Z5C back glass is now a spiderweb of shattered lines. Questions:
1. Where exactly can I get my hands on the original Sony back cover? Even though I am willing to pay Sony in the US to have it replaced, they are telling me they don't have availability to perform out-of-warranty work. They'll call me when they have availability. (Huh?!?)
2. Is the glass back itself part of the waterproofing membrane? When I watched the tear down video of the Z5C, it appears that there is a plastic membrane on the inside surface of the glass back. My basic inquiry is if the shattered back glass in itself renders the phone non-waterproof, or if it is still waterproof?
Thanks!
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Well, my Z5C back glass is now a spiderweb of shattered lines. Questions:
1. Where exactly can I get my hands on the original Sony back cover? Even though I am willing to pay Sony in the US to have it replaced, they are telling me they don't have availability to perform out-of-warranty work. They'll call me when they have availability. (Huh?!?)
2. Is the glass back itself part of the waterproofing membrane? When I watched the tear down video of the Z5C, it appears that there is a plastic membrane on the inside surface of the glass back. My basic inquiry is if the shattered back glass in itself renders the phone non-waterproof, or if it is still waterproof?
Thanks!
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1. Try Ebay. In europe they are around 10€, much cheaper if you order them from china, however i don't think they are all original. Look for the SONY logo in the middle of the glas.
2. I would say yes. The membrane you saw is probably the adhesive of the back panel https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Parts/Sony-Xperia-Z5-Compact-Back-Cover-Adhesive/IF312-102 if the glas is broken inside the adhesive it should be no more waterproof.
However you can test it by yourself:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/general/water-resistant-waterproofing-testing-t3463969
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1. Try Ebay. In europe they are around 10€, much cheaper if you order them from china, however i don't think they are all original. Look for the SONY logo in the middle of the glas.
2. I would say yes. The membrane you saw is probably the adhesive of the back panel https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Parts/Sony-Xperia-Z5-Compact-Back-Cover-Adhesive/IF312-102 if the glas is broken inside the adhesive it should be no more waterproof.
However you can test it by yourself:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/general/water-resistant-waterproofing-testing-t3463969
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Thanks, but I am afraid to order from eBay, because based on seller reviews, there were many people complaining that they either did not get the item after purchase, or the NFC won't work. Many of the sellers blur/censor out the Sony mark. Not quite sure why, but it makes me think that these are not original items.
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Thanks, but I am afraid to order from eBay, because based on seller reviews, there were many people complaining that they either did not get the item after purchase, or the NFC won't work. Many of the sellers blur/censor out the Sony mark. Not quite sure why, but it makes me think that these are not original items.
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Never had problems on ebay, sometimes on aliexpress. But till now, everytime when the order didn't arrive, i got a full refund without any problem. So i think it worth a try.
Of course when a seller blur out the logo its normally a bad sign and i would look for another dealer.
Hi y'all.. Bought the lg g6 recently. So far loving it. I like how the phone is entirely scratch resistant however I just noticed that the material covering the flash is plastic. I saw a deep scratch and had no idea how it got there given that I've had the phone in a mil grade case ever since opening he package. I put my finger on the flash and the scratches got even worse. I'm considering returning the phone because of this, has anyone run into this??
Watch the video in youtube from jerryrigeverything to see from wich material is the flash supposed to be.
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Watch the video in youtube from jerryrigeverything to see from wich material is the flash supposed to be.
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I watched both of his G6 videos - unfortunately he never did a scratch test of the material covering the flash
Really??
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... I'm considering returning the phone because of this, has anyone run into this??
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Really?? You're going to return a phone because of the material that was used to cover the LED camera flash?? What impact is a scratch on the plastic of your LED flash going to have on your photos?
I'm pretty sure the majority of phones out now use plastic for the flash. If you're considering returning it because of that then you should just get an iPhone. The plastic will refract the light regardless of whether there's scratches or not.
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I'm pretty sure the majority of phones out now use plastic for the flash. If you're considering returning it because of that then you should just get an iPhone. The plastic will refract the light regardless of whether there's scratches or not.
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I have a Nexus 5X which is manufactured by LG - it seems to use a harder plastic because I don't see any scratches on the material covering the flash. I noticed the iPhone uses glass? for the flash? I might look into this
Confirmed. All phones use plastic on flash except for one, S8
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Confirmed. All phones use plastic on flash except for one, S8
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where did you get this data?
Google mainly and the channel i told you, in the test video for the s8 he says: " first time i ever see a glass on a flashlight", so i went straight to google and in fact its true.
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Google mainly and the channel i told you, in the test video for the s8 he says: " first time i ever see a glass on a flashlight", so i went straight to google and in fact its true.
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ok this might be a game changer for me then lol - I chose LG G6 over the S8 because the G6 has a flat screen (I hate the curved screens because of the lack of screen protectors) - however I can't stand that a premium phone like the G6 opted for plastic to cover the flash, unacceptable.
Is not only LG, every other brand is exactly the same. Mi wife has a HTC 10, and that part is indeed plastic.
If a I were you, I wouldn't worry and enjoy the phone, its amazing
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Is not only LG, every other brand is exactly the same. Mi wife has a HTC 10, and that part is indeed plastic.
If a I were you, I wouldn't worry and enjoy the phone, its amazing
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I already returned my G6 because of the plastic flash issue - I think it's a really cheap plastic because everytime I lightly brushed the flash with my finger there was a new scratch... pretty crazy
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I already returned my G6 because of the plastic flash issue - I think it's a really cheap plastic because everytime I lightly brushed the flash with my finger there was a new scratch... pretty crazy
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Did you check your new phone to make sure the mic and earpiece holes aren't gonna collect any dust? That right there is gonna KILL your smartphone experience. Also, don't forget to check the pressure sensitivity of the volume buttons.... can't have those taking too much or too little pressure to activate, right? And you're not thinking about getting the S8, are you?? My God, man, you DO know the volume control is just a single bar instead of two distinct buttons, right?? WHAT IF YOU ACCIDENTALLY PRESS UP WHEN YOU MEAN TO PRESS DOWN?!? THE HORROR!!!
Hahahaha funny!
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Did you check your new phone to make sure the mic and earpiece holes aren't gonna collect any dust? That right there is gonna KILL your smartphone experience. Also, don't forget to check the pressure sensitivity of the volume buttons.... can't have those taking too much or too little pressure to activate, right? And you're not thinking about getting the S8, are you?? My God, man, you DO know the volume control is just a single bar instead of two distinct buttons, right?? WHAT IF YOU ACCIDENTALLY PRESS UP WHEN YOU MEAN TO PRESS DOWN?!? THE HORROR!!!
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on a more serious note - A cnet review noted that the G6 got a "hairline fracture" on the front despite normal use... not sure why there are physical defects like this
Fair enough
Snowleopard86 said:
on a more serious note - A cnet review noted that the G6 got a "hairline fracture" on the front despite normal use... not sure why there are physical defects like this
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I will grant you that the phone probably picks up scratches easier than it should. I imagine LG was trying to save money by not going with Gorilla Glass 5 all the way around and sapphire crystal for the camera cover. But all these hardness ratings and scratch tests exist because ALL phones scratch and chip... some more than others. You're gonna have to pay however many thousands of dollars Apple was going to charge people for a sapphire crystal-encased phone before they scrapped that idea to get something that will really stand up to scratches and "hairline fractures."
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I will grant you that the phone probably picks up scratches easier than it should. I imagine LG was trying to save money by not going with Gorilla Glass 5 all the way around and sapphire crystal for the camera cover. But all these hardness ratings and scratch tests exist because ALL phones scratch and chip... some more than others. You're gonna have to pay however many thousands of dollars Apple was going to charge people for a sapphire crystal-encased phone before they scrapped that idea to get something that will really stand up to scratches and "hairline fractures."
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right, but a hairline fracture on the screen is absurd.. that will actually affect the viewing. My Nexus 5X is mostly plastic aside from the screen and for now I'm sticking with this phone..
What if the plastic breaks, does this affect water resistance? should I even worry about it?