I know everyone is eager to set up their KF HDX how they want it & many of you are new-ish to XDA, so you have been able to rely on tools to automate everything, making it easier to accomplish what you want, but not so great for learning the basics of Android & the core development & debugging tools that are used in the automated processes like the various toolkits you find throughout the forum threads.
At any rate, I am writing a warning about this device ONCE AGAIN. If you really have no idea what the sdk is or how it is used, the HDX is not something you want to start messing with. You know who you are. If you aren't running Linux, or at the very least a dual boot distro like Unbuntu via wubi & you have never installed or used the Android SDK, PLEASE think twice about whatever you are contemplating.
The Kindle Fire HDX is not like other device you have maybe played with, or owned. It is a low level development device that uses an oddball system for updating & while it is vulnerable to several exploits, the bootloader is 100% locked. Complicating this issue is the fact that the device does not have fastboot access & messing with certain system files or permissions CAN & WILL cause issues ranging from wifi & 4G connectivity to a full on hard brick. There are also checks in place that will prevent adb access if you remove or mess up certain binaries or drivers. Some of these things CAN & WILL lead to loss of ADB access. Without ADB access, anything you break CANNOT be fixed.
This is NOT the device to get your feet wet on when it comes to rooting or modding. In the last two days alone, I have had 8 requests from people with devices that are having issue because of something that was done inadvertently or because something was done in the wrong order. I am willing to help WHEN I CAN, but I am an engineer, not a developer, with a busy schedule & a family, so taking care of my responsibilities comes before anything XDA related, for myself, or anyone else.
If you decide to ignore all of the posts about people bricking their devices & you ignore this warning, the SECOND SUCH WARNING, well, fine. After all it's your device & you can do whatever you want to it. Just don't expect to find an easy fix or someone there 24/7 to hold your hand through the process of trying to recover it. After all, this is a development forum, where you are expected to have a certain degree of knowledge, or be in the process of gaining that knowledge & it's not something you are going to learn by osmosis or be able to cram into a panicked couple of hours because you messed up your device.
So, you have been warned. Again. Unless you want a $300 - $700 project you may never finish, read BEFORE you do. Learn about what you are trying to accomplish & just deal with the Amazon only device until you can understand at the very minimum how to use adb & know how to apply all of the various adb commands. The absolute worst time to try to learn anything is when you are panicked & grasping at straws.
Don't be this guy:
I think that http://towelroot.com/ is a good place to start as the apk can be side loaded and should provide root access. I still have root on my Kindle Fire HDX 7" so I dont have any need for this root method, but according to the CVE-2014-3153 most versions of android are affected including 4.2.2. I would say if your a noob and not comfortable with adb and command line then this is your best bet for gaining root. Once you do have root I would suggest installing a firewall app and block everything except the apps you want to have access to the internet this should stop any updates from hitting your device. Have Fun!!
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I think that http://towelroot.com/ is a good place to start as the apk can be side loaded and should provide root access. I still have root on my Kindle Fire HDX 7" so I dont have any need for this root method, but according to the CVE-2014-3153 most versions of android are affected including 4.2.2. I would say if your a noob and not comfortable with adb and command line then this is your best bet for gaining root. Once you do have root I would suggest installing a firewall app and block everything except the apps you want to have access to the internet this should stop any updates from hitting your device. Have Fun!!
CDub50
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Not helping. Yes, anyone can root there device by installing an apk & clicking a few buttons. The ISSUE is what they do AFTER they root, because now they have access to do things like overwrite graphical drivers with ones that are 4 years old, erase directories from the system partition or just completely WIPE the system partition. These are three examples of things that people have done in the last 24 hours with root. I'd go thru the other 5 from PM's but frankly I don't remember the exact issues, most were some form of the previously mentioned mistakes. But hey, since you are telling people that "aren't comfortable with adb..." they should root, I'll start a brick master thread for you to take care of. :good:
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not helping. Yes, anyone can root there device by installing an apk & clicking a few buttons. The issue is what they do after they root, because now they have access to do things like overwrite graphical drivers with ones that are 4 years old, erase directories from the system partition or just completely wipe the system partition. These are three examples of things that people have done in the last 24 hours with root. I'd go thru the other 5 from pm's but frankly i don't remember the exact issues, most were some form of the previously mentioned mistakes. But hey, since you are telling people that "aren't comfortable with adb..." they should root, i'll start a brick master thread for you to take care of. :good:
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well said and repeated!
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Not helping. Yes, anyone can root there device by installing an apk & clicking a few buttons. The ISSUE is what they do AFTER they root, because now they have access to do things like overwrite graphical drivers with ones that are 4 years old, erase directories from the system partition or just completely WIPE the system partition. These are three examples of things that people have done in the last 24 hours with root. I'd go thru the other 5 from PM's but frankly I don't remember the exact issues, most were some form of the previously mentioned mistakes. But hey, since you are telling people that "aren't comfortable with adb..." they should root, I'll start a brick master thread for you to take care of. :good:
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Come on though, this XDA forums, isn't it? Anyone reading these threads should be well aware of the risks involved. With towelroot app rooting the device is simple, and not going to brick your tab. Being reckless and doing some of the other things you mention, well, sorry, but like Clint Eastwood says in Magnum Force, "A man's got to know his limitations".
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Lol. When the vroot method was posted a couple days ago the hdx forum was quite silent...
Then BOOM!
"OMG I BROKED MY TABLET! BRICKED HDX! *BLAH BLAH* BROKE MY TABLET! HELP!!!! HELP!!! BRICKED TAB! "
good warning for noobs.
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I used the towelroot, then used a ota update blocking script and kindlefree, that's it. I bet people are out there installing safestrap, Roms and whatnot.
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Not helping. Yes, anyone can root there device by installing an apk & clicking a few buttons. The ISSUE is what they do AFTER they root, because now they have access to do things like overwrite graphical drivers with ones that are 4 years old, erase directories from the system partition or just completely WIPE the system partition. These are three examples of things that people have done in the last 24 hours with root. I'd go thru the other 5 from PM's but frankly I don't remember the exact issues, most were some form of the previously mentioned mistakes. But hey, since you are telling people that "aren't comfortable with adb..." they should root, I'll start a brick master thread for you to take care of. :good:
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To think that everyone who roots their Kindle is going Brick their device is laughable. Most people want to root to install google play store and stop future updates. There are always going to be people that are going to brick their device by pulling a bone head move. People know the risk, but if you can make rooting less risky by just installing an .apk sounds like a no brainer to me.
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Please people root phones all of the time and I would say 99% of people dont run into any issues with having root.
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To think that everyone who roots their Kindle is going Brick their device is laughable. Most people want to root to install google play store and stop future updates. There are always going to be people that are going to brick their device by pulling a bone head move. People know the risk, but if you can make rooting less risky by just installing an .apk sounds like a no brainer to me.
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Please people root phones all of the time and I would say 99% of people dont run into any issues with having root.
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You just sighned up for brick duty... Where was your energy and sarcasm Friday when Chinese root hit the forum? But yea thx and for chiming in though.
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You just sighned up for brick duty... Where was your energy and sarcasm Friday when Chinese root hit the forum? But yea thx and for chiming in though.
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Wow. Suggesting people use a simple apk to root their device earns you "brick duty"? And talk about sarcasm, your last sentence is a good example.
What's the point of XDA if we're afraid to do anything to our devices?
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Wow. Suggesting people use a simple apk to root their device earns you "brick duty"? And talk about sarcasm, your last sentence is a good example.
What's the point of XDA if we're afraid to do anything to our devices?
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I don't want anybody to be afraid but I expect them to do their own homework and when they cut their sh*t up not come on here acting like a rotten punk and not willing to do any work to help themselves out.... Which is exactly what a 1-Click Apk breeds.., It tells them yay they were good enough to root device.. And they just dive into making other modifications especially on a device that has no fastboot capabilities and a locked bootloader I just don't think they should make anything that easy for a unit that is this hard to recover.. Because obviously you're not going to be here to help the ones that were ignorant enough to get an application to root device but not educated enough to accomplish any other modifications without bricking their units and then come back here implying that it's anybody else's responsibility but their own.... I'm sorry but most the ones here Bricked right right now can't even run batch application without asking how to double-click thre times ... Much less run ADB commands so stick around and help please... if this device had fastboot or unlocked bootloader. I personally would not give a damn
Well, towelroot was made for a variety of devices and just happens to work with the hdx. So are we supposed to pretend it doesn't work just because some people are not able to know what they can and can't do?
Another movie quote :
Forrest Gump "Stupid is as stupid does".
Don't be stupid with your expensive tablet, if you are it's your own damn fault.
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Lol. When the vroot method was posted a couple days ago the hdx forum was quite silent...
Then BOOM!
"OMG I BROKED MY TABLET! BRICKED HDX! *BLAH BLAH* BROKE MY TABLET! HELP!!!! HELP!!! BRICKED TAB! "
good warning for noobs.
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I made my toolkit to help people avoid bricking issues by waiting for proven methods that work and that I tested. I made it a menu and not a stooped down click and auto run installer. I wanted to give people the choice what they wanted to install, without risk bricking.
I guess people go outside the box for the "easy fix" to a complex problem. People and jobs are like that, doing some half assed thing to keep the wheels turning. I'm just blabbing now.
Be safe when messin' with the hdx. I play with stuff while on a rom slot to avoid a stock rom brick.
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Come on though, this XDA forums, isn't it? Anyone reading these threads should be well aware of the risks involved. With towelroot app rooting the device is simple, and not going to brick your tab. Being reckless and doing some of the other things you mention, well, sorry, but like Clint Eastwood says in Magnum Force, "A man's got to know his limitations".
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Obviously "anybody reading blah blah blah", isn't the case, as evident by the brick posts & my PM inbox. Sure, this is xda, but it's not the XDA it used to be. Part of that is because of the ease with which one can obtain root. You used to have to do everything manually, so you actually had to read, sometimes info for a completely different device, and then spend time figuring out how to apply it to your particular device. I am not saying nobody should root, frankly I do not care either way. What I am saying is that it is probably a bad idea for some people. Seriously, you think the guy that had no idea what Linux was, or the guy that thought you double click on the adb.exe to make it magically unbrick a device are good candidates for having unrestricted world writable access to a device? No. All you have to do is read some of the posts to know it isn't a good idea for some ill-prepared people & they obviously DIDN'T understand the consequences, otherwise they wouldn't have tried doing things that even the newest well informed member would ever try doing.
At any rate, this is what I think of now whenever I think of XDA, particularly the HDX forums lately. LMAO....
Say what?
Do any of you have anything useful to add besides your nanny pandering bull****? It's funny when you start digging for info on rooting a Kindle Fire HDX and this one of the first things you run across, a bunch of nannies moaning about it being too easy? Don't do it because you might break your toy because you are an idiot? Seriously? Is this a day care or am I missing something?
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Obviously "anybody reading blah blah blah", isn't the case, as evident by the brick posts & my PM inbox. Sure, this is xda, but it's not the XDA it used to be. Part of that is because of the ease with which one can obtain root. You used to have to do everything manually, so you actually had to read, sometimes info for a completely different device, and then spend time figuring out how to apply it to your particular device. I am not saying nobody should root, frankly I do not care either way. What I am saying is that it is probably a bad idea for some people. Seriously, you think the guy that had no idea what Linux was, or the guy that thought you double click on the adb.exe to make it magically unbrick a device are good candidates for having unrestricted world writable access to a device? No. All you have to do is read some of the posts to know it isn't a good idea for some ill-prepared people & they obviously DIDN'T understand the consequences, otherwise they wouldn't have tried doing things that even the newest well informed member would ever try doing.
At any rate, this is what I think of now whenever I think of XDA, particularly the HDX forums lately. LMAO....
Having Root does not cause any issues. People create the issues, but who are you tell tell everyone not to root. Its their device if they want to root by all means root it. EVERY ROM and RECOVERY I have ever flashed or created states that in the terms of use that there is a potential they could brick their device. Who cares about your PM's. If you dont want to help them dont help, but dont create a thread just to complain about people bricking their device.
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Thanks....but....
I'm not a developer....nor a hacker....nor a ...whatever.....just someone who enjoys reading and learning all that I can about my phone and Kindle Fire HDX....have rooted a variety of phones and Kindles through the years - first "mod" was to be able to download music and my own ringtones to a first edition Razr back in the day. I know there are so many people smarter than me - in some areas...not all - and I gratefully use that info and knowledge I get AT MY OWN RISK....as most people do, I think....the XDA site has over 5 million members - will there be some idiots who don't read or throw common sense and caution to the wind and screw up their devices?...sure....shame on them.
But if others with that knowledge have an elitist attitude about the rest of us - well - shame on them too. If someone knows how to make it easy for someone to be able to get the most of their device - while knowing the risks - BUT WON'T SHARE because they feel we don't 'deserve" that info - please....don't post! Just keep it to yourself and enjoy the fruits of your own labors.
PS...think it's a bit of a coincidence that when the romaster root surfaced - from a Chinese developer - all he** broke loose....it seems others had the knowledge but didn't want to share....oh well.....and please...this is just my humble opinion.
I appreciate all the efforts of the developers and testers who make it easier for people like me to really get the most out of their devices - but I think there is a reason that most of the major companies lock down theirs....to stop the ones who will stupidly brick the device and blame the company....thanks for reading.
I have
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I'm not a developer....nor a hacker....nor a ...whatever.....just someone who enjoys reading and learning all that I can about my phone and Kindle Fire HDX....have rooted a variety of phones and Kindles through the years - first "mod" was to be able to download music and my own ringtones to a first edition Razr back in the day. I know there are so many people smarter than me - in some areas...not all - and I gratefully use that info and knowledge I get AT MY OWN RISK....as most people do, I think....the XDA site has over 5 million members - will there be some idiots who don't read or throw common sense and caution to the wind and screw up their devices?...sure....shame on them.
But if others with that knowledge have an elitist attitude about the rest of us - well - shame on them too. If someone knows how to make it easy for someone to be able to get the most of their device - while knowing the risks - BUT WON'T SHARE because they feel we don't 'deserve" that info - please....don't post! Just keep it to yourself and enjoy the fruits of your own labors.
PS...think it's a bit of a coincidence that when the romaster root surfaced - from a Chinese developer - all he** broke loose....it seems others had the knowledge but didn't want to share....oh well.....and please...this is just my humble opinion.
I appreciate all the efforts of the developers and testers who make it easier for people like me to really get the most out of their devices - but I think there is a reason that most of the major companies lock down theirs....to stop the ones who will stupidly brick the device and blame the company....thanks for reading.
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LOL I have noticed everybody that has chimed in about any complaints going on here have not been here to help recover in any of these devices last few days .. Trying to help people that refuse to help themselves.... I mean really we can only feed them so much info and babysit so much and get told please help please hello please help me . And when you attempt too. they have absolutely no clue of what you are talking about or what you're trying to get them to do it just looks too complicated so they keep asking for help... Expecting somebody here to make an easy one click.. To salvage their mistakes and keep their mommy and daddy from finding out they bricked their tablets.....and btw if this device wasnt soo fn locked down.. We would not be having this discussion because recovery of a brick would be easy with fastboot capabilities and unlock bootloader click click done. So I call BS honestly over the last few years out of all these devices I've been here in xda tinkering with.. The only time see false warranty claims are always on devices that are locked up tight.
If they refuse to help themselves then don't help them. Claiming that something shouldn't be easy and the fear mongering and elitism aren't helping anyone. Instead of trying to be a nanny document the known problems and work arounds if there are any. If you don't want to do that then don't. Save the other BS for your significant other cause no one else worth concerning yourself with wants to hear it. This thread is pointless, people here want to root their devices for any number of reasons; they why's don't matter and if it goes south it's not your problem.
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If they refuse to help themselves then don't help them. Claiming that something shouldn't be easy and the fear mongering and elitism aren't helping anyone. Instead of trying to be a nanny document the known problems and work arounds if there are any. If you don't want to do that then don't. Save the other BS for your significant other cause no one else worth concerning yourself with wants to hear it. This thread is pointless, people here want to root their devices for any number of reasons; they why's don't matter and if it goes south it's not your problem.
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I understand your point and this thread was not started as a wine fest it was supposed to be started for a fair warning I can't help it if he had a sarcastic tone to his voice from trying to help ignorant people all weekend and I think it's hilarious how people are chiming in complaining about our complaints but none of them have been here to help all the ignorant folk ... I'm just saying as one that has been here for the last five days repairing brick or trying to help that is ... Is a lot of and uneeded tension here I understand .. And it is turning" quite the Flamer thread ... So instead of chiming here to complain about our complaint and tell us to keep our complaints to ourselves as you are here complaining your self .. Please go to the general section or the troubleshooting section and start helping people... For example help him http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2783591
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Hello all, i expected to see work done on a custom rom by now. I know the bootloader wont accept any old rom but are we not able to make modified version of the current R2 rom and flash it over our current one? Speaking of bootloaders has there been any progress on getting the bootloader opened up a little?
All the best
I guess work is still being done on it as seen in the custom rom development thread.
Ppl need to stop nagging about when it's going to be done..
it's not like the devs have the bootloader cracked and they are enjoying it by themselves whilst telling us that it hasn't been cracked just to watch us suffer..
if they have it, they'll post it.. what i don't get is.. ppl keep asking about the progress of the work.. what's it matter to you guys... it's not like knowing where they are is gonna help any of us end users atm.. also, it's not something that's been done before.. so they maybe 99% done, or 2% done.. they just won't know until they actually crack the bootloader.. just wait patiently man
Agreed, I don't know why people have to constantly open new threads acting like ...hey, if I ask in a new thread, I bet they'll answer!
Unfortunately the world is full of people that think others owe them something. When they finish, and make a useable step guild JUST LIKE ROOT, they will release it and we will all be happy then. Until then, sit on your hands and don't type any more useless posts. Please and Thanks
I'm a total noob with the inside of the android OS.. and the Win6.1 Os on the X1 before.. but what I am is appreciative of a bunch of people who are prepared to work and share their results with the world, and then to top it off, right up guide lines so the rest of us can enjoy!
/hattip to devs !!
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Agreed, I don't know why people have to constantly open new threads acting like ...hey, if I ask in a new thread, I bet they'll answer!
Unfortunately the world is full of people that think others owe them something. When they finish, and make a useable step guild JUST LIKE ROOT, they will release it and we will all be happy then. Until then, sit on your hands and don't type any more useless posts. Please and Thanks
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OI!!! STEREOTYPICAL GUY HIDING BEHIND HIS INTERNET CONNECTION!! calm it, there is a serious lack of people attempting to create custom roms (at least in the public eye), i was hoping this would spark off discusion about how we would go about doing it, you actually sicken me with your lack of manners! you would NEVER say something like that my face and thats a fact. mainly out of fear that i would punch you in yours for complete disrespect if nothing else, i was actually one of the people telling people to shut up asking for root to be achieved over and over, i am simply seeking information on what stage things where at, where there any one with custom roms in the works. I am a nice person who asks polity for information . i dont nag i dont demand because i dont feel that i deserve anything. you're the real scumbag here not me.
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OI!!! STEREOTYPICAL GUY HIDING BEHIND HIS INTERNET CONNECTION!! calm it, there is a serious lack of people attempting to create custom roms (at least in the public eye), i was hoping this would spark off discusion about how we would go about doing it, you actually sicken me with your lack of manners! you would NEVER say something like that my face and thats a fact. mainly out of fear that i would punch you in yours for complete disrespect if nothing else, i was actually one of the people telling people to shut up asking for root to be achieved over and over, i am simply seeking information on what stage things where at, where there any one with custom roms in the works. I am a nice person who asks polity for information . i dont nag i dont demand because i dont feel that i deserve anything. you're the real scumbag here not me.
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that's because your feeble mind is unable to comprehend the fact that the bootloader isn't cracked, or the implications of that. there is absolutely no point in a custom rom until this is done
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Mr. Sabianadmin, you should first do some research of what it is required to load a custom Rom in the Android world. Maybe you are coming from the Windows Mobile world and root has a different meaning.
Anyway, this thread is useless because there is no going to be chefs developing custom Roms without the bootloader being hacked. Once the bootloader is hacked and there is a custom recovery for the phone, I am sure tons of chefs will appear with new custom Roms. May I suggest that you go and read the wiki of other rooted Android phones (there is one for the HTC Magic) to educate yourself.
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that's because your feeble mind is unable to comprehend the fact that the bootloader isn't cracked, or the implications of that. there is absolutely no point in a custom rom until this is done
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How many highly qualified software developers do you know with a feeble mind in that regard? i know its not yet cracked. im saying editing the current stock rom thats ON the device and then transfer, this method was in fact used during the rooting process. (or can you not remember back that far?)
Also *Sent from my X10a using XDA App* should have read Sent from my ass under the guise i was positively contributing,
go do somthing like try and look for methods to patch/circumvent the signing process like i currently am instead of annoying me.
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Also *Sent from my X10a using XDA App* should have read Sent from my ass under the guise i was positively contributing,
go do somthing like try and look for methods to patch/circumvent the signing process like i currently am instead of annoying me.
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wow.. that's the most childish comment i've come across since.. yesterday (hahha surprisingly there ARE a lot of ppl like you on the Internet)
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How many highly qualified software developers do you know with a feeble mind in that regard? i know its not yet cracked
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yes.. you may be a higly qualified software developer..
you maybe trying different ways to prevent/circumvent signing processes..
but if you are a so-called highly qualified software developer, you SHOULD know that if the bootloader hasn't been cracked yet, it's NOT GOING to fire up any discussions among the chefs as you say since it would be totally useless when the bootloader actually gets cracked..
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Speaking of bootloaders has there been any progress on getting the bootloader opened up a little?
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and you SHOULD know that there really is no way of knowing how far the devs have accomplished in terms of progress until the bootloader is actually cracked for public use...
also, just because you are 'working' on other ways, it doesn't mean you can say
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the devs don't owe you anything... it's not like you are their boss and you assigned them a task that was due last week. you write as if you just wrote some innocent comment with no ill intention, but you gotta understand that comments like above really pisses ppl off..
sure some devs maybe doing it for the bounty.. but it still doesn't mean you get to nag at them .. you say you weren't nagging but that you were just simply asking questions.. well my dear.. THAT WAS NAGGING..
When i run Rommanager it says an error occurred while attempting to run privileged commands.... what do i do ??
try visionary again, temp root, then permroot and restart the phone to make root stick
Side note:disclaimer:
My advice (without trying to hurt anyone's feelings too much) is DON'T ROOT. I would suggest you familiarize yourself with everything (Linux, ADB, XDA) before diving in head first.
Despite popular belief, having root does NOT in fact make you cooler.
Way too many new users are trying to root because they think it's cool or heard it's cool. You need to learn your device first.
If you don't know how to perform a Nandroid backup, or restore a previous ROM backup, flash updates, install custom ROM's etc, then you should NOT root. You should browse the forums here, read everything until you know it well. Google search related topics. Exhaust all available avenues, then ask questions. After you've executed all of these options you might consider rooting and starting to tinker with your device.
im noob to the MT4G iv rooted many htc phones i had an add up on c-list to do but now im trying to to the MT4g and im very new to it. I want to root my MT4G because i want to customize my themes splash screen ect.. oh and cuz its COOL TOO
OH AND I SLOVED MY PROBLEM JUST HAD TO REBOOT THE PHONE
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noob i am!!
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ummm yoda... why dont you just use the force?
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Side note:
My advice (without trying to hurt anyone's feelings too much) is DON'T ROOT. I would suggest you familiarize yourself with everything (Linux, ADB, XDA) before diving in head first.
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DOUBLE SIDE NOTE:
Thank you for saying that.... I do all the time... rooting should only be done after massive research, research and then when you think you've done all the research in the world... squze in a little bit more research
The reason why phones don't come rooted and why their getting harder to root is because of all the people that don't do their research go and destroy their phones, then try to return them as a manufacture defect...
If you were in a phone manufacture shoes you wouldn't wanna pay for those phones either...
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ummm yoda... why dont you just use the force?
DOUBLE SIDE NOTE:
Thank you for saying that.... I do all the time... rooting should only be done after massive research, research and then when you think you've done all the research in the world... squze in a little bit more research
The reason why phones don't come rooted and why their getting harder to root is because of all the people that don't do their research go and destroy their phones, then try to return them as a manufacture defect...
If you were in a phone manufacture shoes you wouldn't wanna pay for those phones either...
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No problem pack. Just trying to lend some helpful advice to people before they go and screw up their phones then cry for help. Makes things easier on us as well.
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No problem pack. Just trying to lend some helpful advice to people before they go and screw up their phones then cry for help. Makes things easier on us as well.
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Ah-Men! Its seems as though google (or anyother search engine) just sends people to this website when the query "how can I try and be cooler" is entered. So therefore no research is done resulting in bricked devices and price increases and diffuclty rooting future devices and forum clogging and thermonuclear war and all around causing me to have a bad day. </end rant\>
Wow you people like to cry I was just asking for help you guys are turning this post in to a thred of crap
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If you don't have the first clue what ADB is or the intellectual curiosity it takes to learn about it you should not root your Xoom and definately should not try to put custom ROMS on it.
This has been a public service announcement.
Have to learn somehow.
If you dont know what adb is, this helps me out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=879701
After you read it and you still havnt a clue what it is stop hacking or read it again and again.
Yes, it seems like there is a new "did I brick?" question each and every day.
Read first, read again, and make sure that you fully undestand the process first. It certainly saves time and frustration later. I am certainly no pro, but I was able to successfully unlock, root, install CWM, upgrade to 3.1, install all of BRD's kernels (now on 1.4.4), and set-up USB tether by reading the excellent information here on XDA.
I bet if more people made one click root methods this wouldn't be a problem...
Sent from my Xoom
bwcorvus said:
I bet if more people made one click root methods this wouldn't be a problem...
Sent from my Xoom
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It appears that a fair number of people tried real hard to brick their WiFi Xoom using the 3g section of one-click root.
Well, it took me to completely stuff my Xoom, to get how adb works. Yay!
Is there a way to flash official Moto images if my PC won't recognise my Xoom via the usb cable? I can get into CWR, and even reboot via adb, and that's it.
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To be honest "you have to learn somehow" isn't a good defense, because you can do your research before actually trying and you'll probably avoid a lot of the problems that we see here.
It's not like the only choices are "do it blind"/"don't do it at all".
Some people learn the hard way, I'm a glowing example. Just make sure you read until you get really confused, grab a coffee, and read until it makes sense. If you don't understand what you are trying to do, but you want to give it a go, make sure your your prepared to have the worst happen.
BTW. I finally figured how to restore my system to factory! YAY!!!
Now the fun part of trying it all again....
Learning is great, however blindly trying something that you do not understand can be disastrous. Root, wiping, flashing, etc are all tasks that modify or rework the basic functions of a device. The devs who find these ways to help us do this are simply amazing, but it is NOT for everyone. Too often we see "Help!!!!, or What now???" because people simply see a thread and jump into rooting, and flashing without knowing what they are doing.
I am not an ADB expert, but I do believe that if you take your time and follow the posted instructions to the T, you will be fine. Again, people often report back, myself included that something doesn't work right or it is not doing what it should. After looking back I noticed that I skipped a step or did something out of order because I "thought I knew what I was doing".
I do caution people who are new to the XDA forums and new to Android. I would lurk for a but, gather some knowledge, then try a few things. If you have some issues, PM a member who you see has some good skills or knowledge in the area. This is a forum to help each other and too often it turns into a flame session.
Again, I am no expert I just try to offer some helpful advice.
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Learning is great, however blindly trying something that you do not understand can be disastrous. Root, wiping, flashing, etc are all tasks that modify or rework the basic functions of a device. The devs who find these ways to help us do this are simply amazing, but it is NOT for everyone. Too often we see "Help!!!!, or What now???" because people simply see a thread and jump into rooting, and flashing without knowing what they are doing.
I am not an ADB expert, but I do believe that if you take your time and follow the posted instructions to the T, you will be fine. Again, people often report back, myself included that something doesn't work right or it is not doing what it should. After looking back I noticed that I skipped a step or did something out of order because I "thought I knew what I was doing".
I do caution people who are new to the XDA forums and new to Android. I would lurk for a but, gather some knowledge, then try a few things. If you have some issues, PM a member who you see has some good skills or knowledge in the area. This is a forum to help each other and too often it turns into a flame session.
Again, I am no expert I just try to offer some helpful advice.
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Well said, don't forget irc zoom channel.
Sent from my Xoom
Thanks for "getting" the spirit of my post. I wasn't trying to be mean at all just saying... there's so many "help me i screwed up my xoom" posts and what concerns me is that too often the advice given around here is "just go root and and load a custom rom". Well that sounds real attractive until you realize that you have no idea what's going on and your Xoom won't turn on. Then your heart sinks and you don't have many places to turn to, fortunately there is this forum but I just hope that people will take more time in the future to understand what it is that they are getting into or at the very least be absolutely willing to set fire to six to eight hundred bucks
there is no such thing as a bricked xoom. Ill prove it. Send me your bricked xoom along with a $100 PayPal unbricking fee. Ill send you back a restored factory state xoom. If Its truly bricked Ill send the xoom back to you and give you back $120 for the trouble. Any takers, contact me.
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To be honest "you have to learn somehow" isn't a good defense, because you can do your research before actually trying and you'll probably avoid a lot of the problems that we see here.
It's not like the only choices are "do it blind"/"don't do it at all".
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Learning is great, however blindly trying something that you do not understand can be disastrous. Root, wiping, flashing, etc are all tasks that modify or rework the basic functions of a device. The devs who find these ways to help us do this are simply amazing, but it is NOT for everyone. Too often we see "Help!!!!, or What now???" because people simply see a thread and jump into rooting, and flashing without knowing what they are doing.
I am not an ADB expert, but I do believe that if you take your time and follow the posted instructions to the T, you will be fine. Again, people often report back, myself included that something doesn't work right or it is not doing what it should. After looking back I noticed that I skipped a step or did something out of order because I "thought I knew what I was doing".
I do caution people who are new to the XDA forums and new to Android. I would lurk for a but, gather some knowledge, then try a few things. If you have some issues, PM a member who you see has some good skills or knowledge in the area. This is a forum to help each other and too often it turns into a flame session.
Again, I am no expert I just try to offer some helpful advice.
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It wasn't really a defense just a "it's what happens" type of thing. Yes people can be smart and read up. But the reality is that most people won't (rather it be because of stubborness or lack of time). Something happens, then you have the "ok i gotta fix this, let me look up..." or "oh noes I brokes it. I'm going to join a forum to whine about it to the people so they can help me. I mean it's their job right?".
Thing is that rooting is most misunderstood to be the equivalent to jailbreaking. Just as jailbreaking is most misunderstood as only being useful for free games and apps. Some people just never want to look into what these type of things really are, because they don't care unless it's the means of getting something for free.
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there is no such thing as a bricked xoom. Ill prove it. Send me your bricked xoom along with a $100 PayPal unbricking fee. Ill send you back a restored factory state xoom. If Its truly bricked Ill send the xoom back to you and give you back $120 for the trouble. Any takers, contact me.
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Sounds like some money to be made here
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there is no such thing as a bricked xoom. Ill prove it. Send me your bricked xoom along with a $100 PayPal unbricking fee. Ill send you back a restored factory state xoom. If Its truly bricked Ill send the xoom back to you and give you back $120 for the trouble. Any takers, contact me.
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I'm sure there's at least one taker out there. Its likely the guy who started the 'Motorola refused to fix xoom' thread. At http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1107488
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there is no such thing as a bricked xoom. Ill prove it. Send me your bricked xoom along with a $100 PayPal unbricking fee. Ill send you back a restored factory state xoom. If Its truly bricked Ill send the xoom back to you and give you back $120 for the trouble. Any takers, contact me.
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So how would you fix the partitioning of a xoom through cwm? That seems to be the most common "i bricked my xoom" thread.
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I feel that the best way to go about things is to read all you can about ADB, how the Xoom works and the specific root method or kernel you want to use. Then, if something goes wrong, search, search then search some more to try and find someone who had a similar problem as yours and try to learn what went wrong and how...then solve your own problem. If you are REALLY stuck, PM a user who seems to know what they are doing and appears to be patient, or post a question that includes all the details and ask politely for help. Take the knowledge you are given, add it to your own, then try to help other people in the same pickle.
If you look up the word EDUCATION in Websters, odds are the picture will look something like the paragraph above.
Personally I am not cheesed off too badly by the people who do things without sufficient knowledge. The ones that drive ME nuts are the ones who do that, then come into the forum and demand that someone hold their hand and personally walk them out of hell step by step...or better, blame the hardware/software and then angrily return it to the store, pretending that it just suddenly died.
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Personally I am not cheesed off too badly by the people who do things without sufficient knowledge. The ones that drive ME nuts are the ones who do that, then come into the forum and demand that someone hold their hand and personally walk them out of hell step by step...or better, blame the hardware/software and then angrily return it to the store, pretending that it just suddenly died.
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Exactly what I was trying to say. And I know what specific thread you're talking about lol
hello, i've made an Automated Atrix ThatRom Installer.
This script will help noobs to do everything without any troubles.
The file is a rar archive with all firmware files + installer.
here is a link http://www.mobile-inform.com/content/view/1148/1/
this is early alpha. you take all responsibility on yourself. I do not recommend you to use this rom, but if you still want to use it - here it is
UPD Updated To ThatRom v2 (AtrICS)
all thanks to the author of ThatRomv2 (AtrICS), i made only the Installer!
With best regards
the_fly
I don't think that it's a good idea to make an automatic installer of something that it's no stable for someone who doesn't even know how to use fastboot nor flash a zip. Maybe when this finally reaches the stable "level", then you should do the Installer.
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Maybe, until you're not annoying, you should stfu. Seriously stop trying to tell people what to do.
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Wow dude, that was really uncalled for. He is actually right because now the op has put himself in a position to be harassed by anyone who tries this and messes up their phone even though they should and do know the risks. He was just trying to be helpful, he wasn't attacking the op for making it.
I agree making an unstable, untested, developer test build easily available to newbies is a very bad idea. If they can't at the VERY least learn how to use fastboot and adb, they should come nowhere near this ROM. Unless of course you really want to be held responsible for dozens of bricked and/or unusable phones, and be expected to provide extensive support at all times.
if they are noobs - it is their problem. Everything is written befoure me.
Everyone takes responsibility for their actions.
There were several noobs who were crying about ICS even if they do not know what to do. and they are happy now, despite the bugs.
I am not, but i made for those who are. I am not going to tell anyone to install it, i did only help, but i suggest nobody to install it.
It doesn't work and you know it. It's as if there was some paid software that people want, and you made a crack/patch for it, and then you say you don't advise using it. Do you really think people will stay away just because you advised so? No, they won't. In fact in that case your disclaimers make no difference whatsoever, you are equally at fault for making it available as they are for using it. Why do you think all anti-piracy companies always go after crack makers and distributors and not so much after users? I mean many crack makers also advise against using their cracks. But people are stupid and never listen, and in in the eyes of many crack makers are the original offenders.
Or if you want a different analogy - go find a mentally unstable person who can't really think straight (may seem offensive but noobs who want test builds on their phones clearly do not know what they're doing), then place a bottle of some drugs and a fresh needle within easy reach, and then tell them you advise not using it. Observe what happens.
IMO this kind of things are best dealt with preemptively, by not even making the potentially controversial stuff easily available.
you see, i've made first script of unlocking the boot a year ago. a lot of peole thanked me. they were happy - they unlocked once and than used other ways to change the firmware. They were noobs, but happy noobs. 18 000 downloads (i think some of them were same persons, for example me - while i was testing, or when i was unlocking for my friends), but only 4!!! broken phones. 2 of them caused by bad motherboard and 2 of them by ignoring the manual and all the warnings.
This one is more easy one. less questins. less work. just use it.
and if person already have unlocked boot there will be no problem with this FW
and i want to mention it again some users are happy enought with this fw. Some do not have reboots, some have but for them it is ok.
You should tell everyone that this is a very alpha rom. It does run without multiple reboots for most people per the forums. I personally have tried all methods and cannot get it to run.
I appreciate your efforts but this is not something that noobs will get any value from. You should be very clear upfront.
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agurzhiy said:
hello, i've made an Automated Atrix ThatRom Installer.
This script will help noobs to do everything without any troubles.
The file is a rar archive with all firmware files + installer.
With best regards
the_fly
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Thanks agurzhiy!
I am a proud noob who used your unlock script and will use this one.
For all the pros which have a problem with this- you have the same approach as Motorola - "It's complicated you can't understand this". It's my choice what to do with my phone and agurzhiy providing us noobs with a possibility to participate in the effort to make it better.
The bottom line is instead of criticize why don't you spend this time and energy on creating and helping the community. Remember you were ones noobs too.
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e07015 said:
You should tell everyone that this is a very alpha rom. It does run without multiple reboots for most people per the forums. I personally have tried all methods and cannot get it to run.
I appreciate your efforts but this is not something that noobs will get any value from. You should be very clear upfront.
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i think everyone knows that it is alpha rom. nobody is going to install a script if if nobody knows what's inside. But i will add that it is alpha
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For all the pros which have a problem with this- you have the same approach as Motorola - "It's complicated you can't understand this".
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You're missing my point entirely here. But that's okay. I don't want to argue anymore.
Is this just a fastboot script or an bootloader unlocker and ram fix etc etc
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You're missing my point entirely here. But that's okay. I don't want to argue anymore.
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I do not think that this is an argument. It is more like sharing different views on a subject.
I know what you mean, you want to prevent (or at least warn) noobs from taking the risk of bricking their phone and you are right 100%. But let me ask you how many of XDA readers are dumb enough to download some thing like this without reading at least a bit about it(*). Give ppl a little credit, most of us will stop on red light although it is possible to continue. Take me for example: I wanted to use nebtop but had a difficulty to understand how to root. Than mramirezusa came out with Automatic bootloader for noobs like me and boom - now I'm using the atrix as a streamer and without this tool I couldn't do this on my own. My point is that having a possibility to do stuff is highly appreciated.
* Ryan Dunn: If You Gonna be Dumb - You Gotta Be Tough.
this is a fastboot script to make it faster and easyer for a noob
UPDATE:
added the 32 bit version for x86 Windows
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added the 32 bit version for x86 Windows
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Dude, you've only been thanked here 7 times... Stop thinking so highly of yourself.
Unless you are going to stick around the forums helping these guys out when they have issues with your release, because they won't have anywhere else to go, and because other devs are busy with their own stuff, than you should probably refrain from posting anything that makes it easier to flash dangerous software.
Unless you're willing to help "guy xyz" (since quotes seem to be in) on "page 74" when he asks again, "why am i having video issues after flash", because your main post lacks important details and explanation and your web link is not multi-lingual, please refrain from posting content which could be perceived as harmful to use.
Any good software community recommends first releasing to a smaller test group in order to work out major bugs and minimize any potential impact the software may have on the device... And, any good service community would recommend first releasing to a smaller test group in order to create a base to compare full deployment scenarios against... In no cases would they make it easy to install buggy software on devices of users who can not adequately report issues during alpha stages of software.
Why is it so hard to understand how that applies here?
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IMO, you should stop spending so much time here on the forum arguing with people. Don't get me wrong but your posts are usually quite offensive (example what I saw today). You post almost in every thread, smartassing noobs, playing to be moderator... If you know something, share it, if post or thread is against the rules, report it.
Now you're arguing with guy who made first script of unlocking the bootloader and in the same time insinuate that many of xda members are just dump.
Forum, especially xda, is about sharing knowledge not giving useless advise/comment or to google it.
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Sorry everyone for off topic.
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We try not to feed him, Zeljko1234... Just let him be.
Your point is well deserved; but don't feed the trolls.
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Dude, you've only been thanked here 7 times... Stop thinking so highly of yourself.
Unless you are going to stick around the forums helping these guys out when they have issues with your release, because they won't have anywhere else to go, and because other devs are busy with their own stuff, than you should probably refrain from posting anything that makes it easier to flash dangerous software.
Unless you're willing to help "guy xyz" (since quotes seem to be in) on "page 74" when he asks again, "why am i having video issues after flash", because your main post lacks important details and explanation and your web link is not multi-lingual, please refrain from posting content which could be perceived as harmful to use.
Any good software community recommends first releasing to a smaller test group in order to work out major bugs and minimize any potential impact the software may have on the device... And, any good service community would recommend first releasing to a smaller test group in order to create a base to compare full deployment scenarios against... In no cases would they make it easy to install buggy software on devices of users who can not adequately report issues during alpha stages of software.
Why is it so hard to understand how that applies here?
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Why don't you argue with epinter or any other person who put ThatRom?
Why are you arguing with me?
i made the thing easier, but i am not responsible for the uncomplete software. some people are lazy to use fastboot, but they know how to use it (i have flashed my phone 3 times while testing some of options to find out how it works)
other do not have enough knowledge to flash, but it's thair dream to have it, they are ready for the bugs and they alwas can ask me to help them to flash any other FW. And if they have unlocked boot - they can use CWM.
And the last group - the people who are just afraid to install after a lot of information about locking bootloaders. In russian community forums i've read 10 such questions from people who i know, from people who know how to use fastboot.
And if person do not want to install it - he may not install it!
I'm thankful to everyone who share knowledge. Even if I don't use everything, I usually download or read just to learn how. Without such guys, Internet itself will be mostly useless.
Do not blame anyone (especially epinter) for your mistake. He and many others guys spend a lot of their private time to figure how to do something, developing, supporting... and then sahre for free! As I can see, very rare they get donation. Almost never for the most loudest complainers which just wait that someone else will do something for them.
As I explained, as long as you are willing to stick around and help people with issues they encounter after flashing this, and provide more detailed instructions that people can read in your first post, it's not an issue.
Low thank count makes the more seasoned members cringe, as people release stuff that brick phones then disappear (it happens), leaving the community in a state of unrest trying to figure out the full impact of an unmaintained release, how many users were affected by the release, and a common way to fix the issues, and it leaves it up to other developers to explain to every xyz person to read this thread, read that thread, or flash this to fix.
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without problems? I've never had a problem using either of the two favorites and can't help but wonder why there seems to be some animosity or putdown expressed towards them by some of the posters on this forum. Surely I'm not the only happy user of an android tablet who could care less about learning the required steps to modify my n7 without the kits.
BTW, I've even enjoyed learning my way around the toolkits to meet my needs of flashing various Roms, kernels, and creating backups. My success is due to gleaning information from the questions and answers generated from all levels of experience and background from this great web site! Thank goodness for the diversity of the people who regularly visit this location!
Gotta say I love wugs toolkit. I know my way around a Linux box and have become lazy with all of this fastboot cmd line stuff, the toolkit even reflashes stock for me if I get into any crazy bootloop situations. Hammering through terminals is not something I enjoy so much the older I get.
Cheers Danny
Yes they do, but I can only say that in confidence because I know my way around ADB. So because I'm lazy I know that if things went t*ts up then I know how to sort it out myself.
If you don't know ADB then I would also advise to stay clear of toolkits and learn yourself. There lots of excellent tutorials on here if you search.
I too am self taught from XDA and still learn something new every day. Its got to the point where I'm even considering getting rid of Windows 7 and just using Ubuntu.
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If it weren't for the tool kits...
I'd not be nearly as happy with my n7. I've even recovered with only fastboot mode after being up later than I should have been while flashing different Roms and kernels. In my opnion, telling folks to stay away from toolkits without ADB knowledge will needlessly deny a lot of people of additional pleasure that owning this device can bring above and beyond stock. I have no fears of using shortcuts with kits around learning ADB as I don't have the time or interest with my life's other demands. I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates the alternative the toolkits bring to those of similar needs and interest.
Add me to the list of satisfied toolkit users. I could do it all with fastboot & adb commands, but why bother with the intricacies just for bragging rights?
I'm not the lowest of the low, but I am the slowest of the slow (49.6 mpg over 38k miles in Scion xB)
Nothing wrong with bragging rights...
on a developer's forum considering that may be all that some who have done great work get for their efforts! My point is that folks who are interested in their equipment enough to find this location shouldn't be pushed away or dis-swayed from toolkits if their interests don't include learning to utilize ADB to modify the behavior of their equipment by root, roms, and kernels. Everyone needs to be an ambassador for Android to those who don't realize there are alternatives to that other user base. :laugh:
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I'd not be nearly as happy with my n7. I've even recovered with only fastboot mode after being up later than I should have been while flashing different Roms and kernels. In my opnion, telling folks to stay away from toolkits without ADB knowledge will needlessly deny a lot of people of additional pleasure that owning this device can bring above and beyond stock. I have no fears of using shortcuts with kits around learning ADB as I don't have the time or interest with my life's other demands. I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates the alternative the toolkits bring to those of similar needs and interest.
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on a developer's forum considering that may be all that some who have done great work get for their efforts! My point is that folks who are interested in their equipment enough to find this location shouldn't be pushed away or dis-swayed from toolkits if their interests don't include learning to utilize ADB to modify the behavior of their equipment by root, roms, and kernels. Everyone needs to be an ambassador for Android to those who don't realize there are alternatives to that other user base. :laugh:
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Those are very good arguments and humbly agree. I have never had a toolkit 'go wrong' on me but the peace of mind behind learned adb is a wise move for any beginner.
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I have to disagree with most of this here. Toolkits can work, they can also fail. Over the years I have seen people complaing about almost everything within android at some point, most often it is their own fault for not learning their equipment.
I don't think there is any bragging rights to working a phone or tablet (this isn't apple here) nor are there much for bragging rights for doing the basics (adb and fastboot commands are as basic as can be) there may be some of this when developing roms/apps/kernels/etc but that's a different level that toolkits have nothing to do with.
Most often my opinion is don't root unless you can do it yourself or overtime the likelyhood of you having issues and being stuck somewhere down the line is great.
So again, if you want to use a toolkit go for it, most people (including myself) don't care much about it. We only offer advice as we see the same issues come up all the time. Learning the basics (rooting almost always basic, especially on a nexus device) will only be benifital. But choice is yours and no one looks down on you... just trying to help...
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Where would technology be without disagreement?
demkantor said:
I have to disagree with most of this here. Nothing wrong with disagreement. Toolkits can work, they can also fail. Agreed! Over the years I have seen people complaing about almost everything within android at some point, most often it is their own fault for not learning their equipment.It's always easier to complain than learn!
I don't think there is any bragging rights to working a phone or tablet (this isn't apple here) nor are there much for bragging rights for doing the basics (adb and fastboot commands are as basic as can be) there may be some of this when developing roms/apps/kernels/etc but that's a different level that toolkits have nothing to do with. No disagreement from me with this statement...
Most often my opinion is don't root unless you can do it yourself or overtime the likelyhood of you having issues and being stuck somewhere down the line is great. We have to disagree, I've found ways to recover even if it meant restoring...
So again, if you want to use a toolkit go for it, most people (including myself) don't care much about it. Understandable, this isn't a toolkit forum. We only offer advice as we see the same issues come up all the time. Learning the basics (rooting almost always basic, especially on a nexus device) will only be benifital. I agree, but the majority of nexus owners will never consider rooting their device much less learning how to with ADB. But choice is yours and no one looks down on you... just trying to help...As am I by noting the opportunities that are available to Nexus users with proper toolkit use...
I rejoiced the day I never had to use dos commands again, I guess I'm just a toolkit kind of guy! :victory:
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I do understand that in an ideal world we would all be as accomplished in the use of ADB
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I do understand that in an ideal world we would all be as accomplished in the use of ADB
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im clueless in adb, yet i never use toolkits. you dont need adb to root, just fastboot. the whole point of many people telling other to not use toolkits is because toolkits bypass the need to learn. toolkits are fine if you know what you are doing, its the beginners that get caught in the issues since they never get the chance to learn how to service their devices. little easy things that need to be done, dont get done. and these little things turn into big problems for these beginners. they tend to make things worse sometimes because of it. look at all the thread here about people having problems, or the "help, i bricked my device" threads. they all include " i used toolkit XXXX". funny that they never include "i used fastboot" or "i used adb". how necessary are toolkits when all you need to do to root your nexus is fastboot oem unlock, fastboot flash a custom recovery, flash the su binaries or custom rom in that new recovery, then reboot. id rather that these beginners take an hour to learn the proper procedures and root their device in ten minute then start another "help, i fukced up my device" thread.
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simms22 said:
im clueless in adb, yet i never use toolkits That's great. . you dont need adb to root, just fastboot. the whole point of many people telling other to not use toolkits is because toolkits bypass the need to learn. Your next statement contradicts whether or not people need to learn when using toolkits or code/commands! toolkits are fine if you know what you are doing, its the beginners that get caught in the issues since they never get the chance to learn how to service their devices. little easy things that need to be done, dont get done. and these little things turn into big problems for these beginners. they tend to make things worse sometimes because of it. look at all the thread here about people having problems, or the "help, i bricked my device" threads. they all include " i used toolkit XXXX". funny that they never include "i used fastboot" or "i used adb". Good point unless it is because beginners are rarely using fastboot or adb commands! :laugh: how necessary are toolkits when all you need to do to root your nexus is fastboot oem unlock, fastboot flash a custom recovery, flash the su binaries or custom rom in that new recovery, then reboot. All done easily in toolkits if people have good reading comprehension skills and follow directions! BTW, doesn't that apply to using fastboot commands? id rather that these beginners take an hour to learn the proper procedures and root their device in ten minute then start another "help, i fukced up my device" thread. I find it highly unlikely an hour of study would be enough to prevent problems from what I read on those threads. I would blame people, not the tool. That said, I bet the eyeballs are always appreciated by owners of this site for whatever reason...
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I hear what you are saying, but more acceptance of android devices and satisfaction with these devices is not going to come from the masses learning adb or fastboot commands! I'm just saying that at the end of the day shortcuts, toolkits, or greater flexability in setting up your stock device will generate more use and sells than espousing the use of various ADB/fastboot commands. Once again I understand that this is a developer forum, but can you say Windows...
Ted C. said:
I hear what you are saying, but more acceptance of android devices and satisfaction with these devices is not going to come from the masses learning adb or fastboot commands! I'm just saying that at the end of the day shortcuts, toolkits, or greater flexability in setting up your stock device will generate more use and sells than espousing the use of various ADB/fastboot commands. Once again I understand that this is a developer forum, but can you say Windows...
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nor will it come from root toolkits. especially when many beginners get stuck and freaked out.
they offer no more flexibility then whats already in android. all they offer are other ways to mess up your device.
can you say linux.. :silly:
i spend time helping and teaching these beginners that mess up their devices with root toolkits, do you? root toolkits are not a substitute for learning.
No matter ones opinion here I will say the above was correct. To learn the basics of fastboot or adb most people will need less than an hour of study. And what's more the information learned will be useful across most other android devices they own in the future. Here, I made a guide on using fastboot for the g2 a while back because I was tiered of teaching on a one on one basis.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33368344
If you read through the first few posts you will see its rather quick and easy and what I posted is for a totally different device yet most of the knowledge would be useful on any android
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here, I like to help people but I do find it easier to help someone with at least the basic knowledge of their device. Also people who understand more need less help and I find these people often research a fix on their own rather than cluttering more threads with help I have a brick
All I'm saying with all my rambling is that this is real easy for almost everyone and they should be scared off because its sounds hard, it isnt for most
Anyway, enjoy your evening and you all do as you please, like I said I'm here to help not judge!
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium
LINUX!!!
simms22 said:
nor will it come from root toolkits. especially when many beginners get stuck and freaked out.
they offer no more flexibility then whats already in android. all they offer are other ways to mess up your device.
can you say linux.. :silly:
i spend time helping and teaching these beginners that mess up their devices with root toolkits, do you? root toolkits are not a substitute for learning.
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I must have won, you are slipping down that slope of making this about our personal worth to the forum (veiled or obvious insult?) !:laugh: Your response once again seems to support that toolkit use requires some level of understanding and knowledge (learning) or there wouldn't be problems that required your assistance, agreed? BTW, my reference to windows was for what the public (the folks with money to keep android successful) recognized and chose (simplicity compared to dos commands) in case you didn't follow my line of thinking. I guess those who look for how to make things easier for the consumer are less successful than those who require complex thinking skills (whether real or imagined)! Oh well, carry on your help is needed elsewhere I'm sure...
Thanks, I'll check your guide out!
Ted C. said:
I must have won, you are slipping down that slope of making about our personal worth to the forum (veiled or obvious insult?) !:laugh: Your response once again seems to support that toolkit use requires some level of understanding and knowledge (learning) or there wouldn't be problems that required your assistance, agreed? BTW, my reference to windows was for what the public (the folks with money to keep android successful) recognized and chose (simplicity compared to dos commands) in case you didn't follow my line of thinking. I guess those who look for how to make things easier for the consumer are less successful than those who require complex thinking skills (whether real or imagined)! Oh well, carry on your help is needed elsewhere I'm sure...
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won? this isnt about winning or losing. its about being informed. i referenced my experiance with it as an example, not to make myself sound better. anyways, if you did know about what you were talking about, youd realize how easy it is to root a nexus, the right way. but, you obviously dont. ill leave you to your thread now, enjoy yourself. hopefully you wont need any help in the future, because all ill do is point you to a root toolkit.
Thanks, I'll keep in mind that all I need is an hour to actually learn something if 5 minutes on the toolkit doesn't take care of my problem! LOL