I had to get a nexus 5, and returned it after 8 hours

I had to get a nexus 5, and returned it after 8 hours - Moto X General

So here's the story.
Yesterday I dropped, my beloved, motox and broke the screen. So I scrambled on kijjiji to find a used one. I only managed to find 2,one guy was asking 260 and another guy was asking 340.
I decided to check my carrier to see if I was eligible for an upgrade. I was with an early upgrade fee (125), I thought this was great. So I clicked to search for a motox but Rogers doesn't sell it anymore. So I had to settle for a nexus 5 ($0 on 2 year renewal).
I've been playing with it for 2 hours and I already miss my motox, I can't wait to sell this thing and get the new motox (motox+1).
Pros of the nexus 5 over a motox:
Not much. I really have to struggle to put something here.
-Okay no carrier name in the notification shade.
-Timely updates.
-Grippy back.
-Lighter
Cons:
Everything.
-I miss touchless control (I miss being able to say 'OK Google now' from anywhere and it would respond)
-I miss touchless notifications
-I miss twist to launch camera (I didn't think I'd use this feature as much as I did). Its so handy to grab the phone and twist it and the camera is ready to shoot.
-I miss being able to press anywhere on the viewfinder to take a picture.
-camera controls are crap
-placement of power and volume buttons are to high up on the phone
Motox did so many things right
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I just had the same exact thing happen to me.
My wife dropped my Moto X and cracked the screen, i then bought a 32gb Nexus 5 from EBay and I don't like it !.
The Touchless controls and active notifications are the things I miss the most.
I find the camera also to suck on the Nexus 5.
So a friend yesterday sent me this article.
I can't post the link as I'm a new user so I will private message it to you.
If your Moto X is still under warranty and you used the moto maker, you can request RMA and send back to Motorola.
Motorola will let you recreate a new moto x for free !
Once you receive your new free replacement you are obligated to send back your broken moto x within 10 days otherwise they will charge full price for the new handset.
The Article has all the details.
If you have any questions, just hit me up !
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Wannabekula, thanks for article I responded to the private message.
The motox should have sold better than the nexus5.
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I went from nexus 5 to moto x and while I am using more and more of the unique features such as touch less control (driving) and the camera hand twist, I will disagree with you that the moto x has the better camera. Camera and screen are where the nexus 5 have the advantage. My wife still has her nexus 5 her pictures of the same things we shoot come out on top more often than not. Mostly because of the OIS. Color accuracy is better on the n5 as well. Don't get me wrong, the moto x has definitely grown on me and touch less controls are becoming a MUST. If the moto x+1 can fix those few gripes I'll definitely stay in the moto family. oh and moto x on average gets better battery life than my n5.
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Damn I thought Moto X had a great build quality! I am scared to buy it now!

biggiestuff said:
I went from nexus 5 to moto x and while I am using more and more of the unique features such as touch less control (driving) and the camera hand twist, I will disagree with you that the moto x has the better camera. Camera and screen are where the nexus 5 have the advantage. My wife still has her nexus 5 her pictures of the same things we shoot come out on top more often than not. Mostly because of the OIS. Color accuracy is better on the n5 as well. Don't get me wrong, the moto x has definitely grown on me and touch less controls are becoming a MUST. If the moto x+1 can fix those few gripes I'll definitely stay in the moto family. oh and moto x on average gets better battery life than my n5.
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I never implied the picture quality on the motox is better, I was simply saying the camera controls are better in the motox. For example if you want to flip to front camera the control is right there on the viewfinder I don't have to go into a menu to do it. Same applies for taking a video it's right there.
Motorola really made the motox functional. If they had priced it right, it would have sold like crazy.
devilsdouble said:
Damn I thought Moto X had a great build quality! I am scared to buy it now!
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It does have a great build. You won't be disappointed. Get it.
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moto x is the best phone i ever had to date. and im not looking to replace it because its so good

Jamolah said:
I never implied the picture quality on the motox is better, I was simply saying the camera controls are better in the motox. For example if you want to flip to front camera the control is right there on the viewfinder I don't have to go into a menu to do it. Same applies for taking a video it's right there.
Motorola really made the motox functional. If they had priced it right, it would have sold like crazy.
It does have a great build. You won't be disappointed. Get it.
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The camera part was more directed to the person who said the nexus 5 camera sucks. I do like most of the motox cameras features. I like that you don't pinch to zoom, you just swipe up or down and you can do burst mode by just holding down on the screen.
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After only only 8 hours with the nexus5 I've decided to return it. I can't deal with its shortcomings. Also it's got issues when streaming music over bluetooth, a lot of crackling, seems to be a common problem.
I'd rather have a broken (screen) motox than a new nexus5.
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I have the Nexus 5 and I love it. I upgraded from Galaxy S3 and if the Moto X had launched in the UK before the N5 then I may have bought it. I say *may* because the screen is the same resolution as my old phone plus it was smaller. And the outdated processor did not impress me either.
Although I don't know how much I would actually use it I am pretty jealous of the 'always listening' feature of the Moto X though and I'm strongly considering getting the X+1, so long as Moto don't pull the same stunt they did with the X; 'Let's release it in the US but then wait six months before getting it to any other country'.
If they pull that again then it's highly likely I will be tempted by the Nexus 6 or Android Silver line (whichever actually happens) which, if history serves as a guide, will come out towards the end of the year.
Which would be a shame because I wouldn't mind swapping my Snapdragon 800/1080p/2GB RAM/32GB storage phone for one of the same specification soon - but there's no way I would do that next year, when Snapdragon 801 will have been superceded by 805, and pretty much every flagship is going to have 3GB RAM and QHD display by that time. That would just stick in my craw a bit too much.

setspeed said:
I have the Nexus 5 and I love it. I upgraded from Galaxy S3 and if the Moto X had launched in the UK before the N5 then I may have bought it. I say *may* because the screen is the same resolution as my old phone plus it was smaller. And the outdated processor did not impress me either.
Although I don't know how much I would actually use it I am pretty jealous of the 'always listening' feature of the Moto X though and I'm strongly considering getting the X+1, so long as Moto don't pull the same stunt they did with the X; 'Let's release it in the US but then wait six months before getting it to any other country'.
If they pull that again then it's highly likely I will be tempted by the Nexus 6 or Android Silver line (whichever actually happens) which, if history serves as a guide, will come out towards the end of the year.
Which would be a shame because I wouldn't mind swapping my Snapdragon 800/1080p/2GB RAM/32GB storage phone for one of the same specification soon - but there's no way I would do that next year, when Snapdragon 801 will have been superceded by 805, and pretty much every flagship is going to have 3GB RAM and QHD display by that time. That would just stick in my craw a bit too much.
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If higher numbers specs that much, you really need to follow it...
... but, for everyone who had read about it, knows that its not just higher numbers, not even the "outdate" (just because its a dual-core). Simply enough, architecture, the Android necessarily need quad or octa? 3gb of ram? 2k?
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setspeed said:
I have the Nexus 5 and I love it. I upgraded from Galaxy S3 and if the Moto X had launched in the UK before the N5 then I may have bought it. I say *may* because the screen is the same resolution as my old phone plus it was smaller. And the outdated processor did not impress me either.
Although I don't know how much I would actually use it I am pretty jealous of the 'always listening' feature of the Moto X though and I'm strongly considering getting the X+1, so long as Moto don't pull the same stunt they did with the X; 'Let's release it in the US but then wait six months before getting it to any other country'.
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Setspeed Trust me man, it's not about the number of processor or anything if the hardware is optimised to the software specs mean nothing. Use the motox and you'll see what I mean.
Motorola did make a few mistakes marketing this phone though. Not selling world wide on initial release, pricing too high and not marketing enough. Because the motox offers all the benefits of vanilla android with the added features of touchless control and active display.
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Had an N5 from launch to replace my n4 from launch (and other nexus beforehand). Both are great, beautiful phones. Came to the moto x for the touchless features and the essentially stock 4.4.2. I love it. It is beautifully designed, maybe a little underpowered, but very well executed. The x8 chip set is excellent, but could probably do better with a slight improvement in the main cores. I've had a few issues, some regular force closes, but nothing that takes the shine off.
Long story short? I loved my n5... I sold it only because I love the features that moto x has... I didn't expect to buy a feature smartphone, but it's a freak in the smartphone category... Long live the moto x (+1?)
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Yeah I'm aware that the user experience is great on Moto devices - a friend just bought the Moto G and it's unbelievably good for the price. Unfortunately the X was too little too late by the time it came to the UK.
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We'll see if Motorola learned their lesson with the release of the motox+1. Because if they market well, release world wide and price it aggressive the new phone will sell like hotcakes.
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Jamolah said:
Setspeed Trust me man, it's not about the number of processor or anything if the hardware is optimised to the software specs mean nothing. Use the motox and you'll see what I mean.
Motorola did make a few mistakes marketing this phone though. Not selling world wide on initial release, pricing too high and not marketing enough. Because the motox offers all the benefits of vanilla android with the added features of touchless control and active display.
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I don't know when people will understand that really. I mean look at the sales, all the high specified phones are selling like hotcakes, and the Moto X, well nowhere near. God knows what people like in a highly spec'ed phone which runs like crap. The three devices I had were S4, Note 2, S2, and other than the S2 all of them are overpriced sh!t. Seriously. People call me crazy that I am thinking about getting the Moto X after owning the S4
It's like they are buying a computer, higher you go, more performance you get, like they will play Watch Dogs on it. However I utterly hate iPhone and iOS but there's some point why that bloody thing sells well.

devilsdouble said:
I don't know when people will understand that really. I mean look at the sales, all the high specified phones are selling like hotcakes, and the Moto X, well nowhere near. God knows what people like in a highly spec'ed phone which runs like crap. The three devices I had were S4, Note 2, S2, and other than the S2 all of them are overpriced sh!t. Seriously. People call me crazy that I am thinking about getting the Moto X after owning the S4
It's like they are buying a computer, higher you go, more performance you get, like they will play Watch Dogs on it. However I utterly hate iPhone and iOS but there's some point why that bloody thing sells well.
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I see what you're saying when it comes to Samsung, but not the Nexus - it performs better than any other Android phone because it's the highest specced stock software phone. I guarantee you that it's quicker and smoother than the Moto X, because of better hardware. If I could get the always listening touchless controls on my N5 then I wouldn't even be hanging around this forum sniffing about for X+1 news! But I can't, so here I am :laugh:

Jamolah said:
After only only 8 hours with the nexus5 I've decided to return it. I can't deal with its shortcomings. Also it's got issues when streaming music over bluetooth, a lot of crackling, seems to be a common problem.
I'd rather have a broken (screen) motox than a new nexus5.
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Good decision my man!
You've just saved yourself from dealing with a load of issues by returning the N5!
I've come from the N5 to my Moto X and haven't looked back seriously.
I had so many issues with the N5 that I got Google to send me 11 replacements (YES ELEVEN REPLACEMENTS!!!) and in the end Google decided it wasn't the phone for me and gave me a full refund.
My issues experienced:
-Extremely poor call quality where the person on the other end can hardly hear you and you always have to shout to be heard
-Noise cancellation broken/faulty (looks like a hardware issue)
-Poor build quality as I kept getting dead pixels on 3 of the handsets
-Speaker volume very very low compared to the Moto X
-SIM card tray never used to sit flush with the body on quite a few of the models
-Bluetooth streaming issues
The main issue for me was the fact that I couldn't make phone calls properly. I loved the vanilla experience but I still get that with my Moto X.

Jamolah said:
Pros of the nexus 5 over a motox:
-Lighter
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The Moto X is the same weight as the N5 although the Moto X feels slightly chunkier in the hand.

Wutang200 said:
Good decision my man!
You've just saved yourself from dealing with a load of issues by returning the N5!
I've come from the N5 to my Moto X and haven't looked back seriously.
I had so many issues with the N5 that I got Google to send me 11 replacements (YES ELEVEN REPLACEMENTS!!!) and in the end Google decided it wasn't the phone for me and gave me a full refund.
My issues experienced:
-Extremely poor call quality where the person on the other end can hardly hear you and you always have to shout to be heard
-Noise cancellation broken/faulty (looks like a hardware issue)
-Poor build quality as I kept getting dead pixels on 3 of the handsets
-Speaker volume very very low compared to the Moto X
-SIM card tray never used to sit flush with the body on quite a few of the models
-Bluetooth streaming issues
The main issue for me was the fact that I couldn't make phone calls properly. I loved the vanilla experience but I still get that with my Moto X.
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Wow that's got to be some kind of record, for a person to receive ELEVEN faulty handsets in a row...
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[Comparison] Moto X vs Google Play devices?

I've been waiting for Moto X release for 2 months but the first reviews kind of disappointed me, especially about the camera. Do you think it is worth buying Moto X than that beasts with pure android and probably even better google support?
I am currently using Galaxy Nexus and hate it. It is sooooo slow and the battery life is awful.

I don't really care too much for direct updates since I always use xda ROMs, stock is pointless if you even signup here. Wait no, stock is boring.
Anyway the X doesn't even have 4.3 despite being with Google, I'm certain their relationship is not on the level people assume. Nexus > X=GPe maybe the order that denotes the reliability of updates. For sure we know ole Sammy is questionable, as for HTC anything is possible.
I'm not interested in the X's price to spec, nor the gpe's. With the dawn of S800 beasts coming about I would rather just wait for the G2 if you're a power user, but to each their own.
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Ace42 said:
I don't really care too much for direct updates since I always use xda ROMs, stock is pointless if you even signup here. Wait no, stock is boring.
Anyway the X doesn't even have 4.3 despite being with Google, I'm certain their relationship is not on the level people assume. Nexus > X=GPe maybe the order that denotes the reliability of updates. For sure we know ole Sammy is questionable, as for HTC anything is possible.
I'm not interested in the X's price to spec, nor the gpe's. With the dawn of S800 beasts coming about I would rather just wait for the G2 if you're a power user, but to each their own.
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The X's system is on another level when compared to other devices. The S800 phones have a fast core processor, but lack a dedicated language processor and lack a contextual processor. The way the X is set up, the Snapdragon doesn't really do the bulk of the lifting in the same way the other phones do, hence why it has no need for a S800 processor. I'd go as far as to say Motorola's chip design makes the brute method of throwing everything at one more powerful processor (that all the other phones employ), seem a bit outdated and archaic.

mysterioustko said:
The X's system is on another level when compared to other devices. The S800 phones have a fast core processor, but lack a dedicated language processor and lack a contextual processor. The way the X is set up, the Snapdragon doesn't really do the bulk of the lifting in the same way the other phones do, hence why it has no need for a S800 processor. I'd go as far as to say Motorola's chip design makes the brute method of throwing everything at one more powerful processor (that all the other phones employ), seem a bit outdated and archaic.
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Uh, the snapdragon does everything but gesture and voice recog. Its probably doing 95% of what you do on the device.
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Honestly the camera isn't THAT bad. The phone overall is a quality piece. Everything works well, and it's a very smooth experience.
Couple pics from Sea Life Park today:
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05GT said:
Honestly the camera is THAT bad. The phone overall is a quality piece. Everything works well, and it's a very smooth experience.
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Hold on lemme check... Yup my Samsung Solstice from 2009 takes better pictures.

ryude said:
Hold on lemme check... Yup my Samsung Solstice from 2009 takes better pictures.
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What's your point? Enjoy the solstice.
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My HTC incredible took great pics too, 3 years ago. Let's all share our old pics...oh wait that's dumb. Move on.
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My Moto X is smoother and snappier than my LG Optimus Pro (Snapdragon 600) and my S4. FYI, I do not use my phone for games.
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05GT said:
Honestly the camera isn't THAT bad. The phone overall is a quality piece. Everything works well, and it's a very smooth experience.
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the camera may not seem that bad to joe six pack but to folks that know photography and image reproduction those look horrible. you can't tell me that you don't see that purple monster all over those pics.

gammite said:
the camera may not seem that bad to joe six pack but to folks that know photography and image reproduction those look horrible. you can't tell me that you don't see that purple monster all over those pics.
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Pros that "know photography" don't use smart phones to take photos.
For the OP, buy whatever you want. If you want a "daily driver" thats good for one-handed use, the Moto X is a perfectly valid choice. If you want to compare e-peen for a few more weeks, get a GPe device.

thedosbox said:
Pros that "know photography" don't use smart phones to take photos.
For the OP, buy whatever you want. If you want a "daily driver" thats good for one-handed use, the Moto X is a perfectly valid choice. If you want to compare e-peen for a few more weeks, get a GPe device.
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I agree. a camera on my phone is low on the list near non-existent. i am patiently waiting for my 32 gig.
with that said it is still a crappy firmware for that camera.

thedosbox said:
Pros that "know photography" don't use smart phones to take photos.
For the OP, buy whatever you want. If you want a "daily driver" thats good for one-handed use, the Moto X is a perfectly valid choice. If you want to compare e-peen for a few more weeks, get a GPe device.
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I think the same things... But i don t have a mixed result with pics like you with my moto x... Only the s4 take better pics but my moto x is equal at my s3 n4 or iphone 5...
My wife say my moto is better than their iphone 5 for pics...
My moto x is made in china ( sold by rogers... )
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o2qc418 said:
I think the same things... But i don t have a mixed result with pics like you with my moto x... Only the s4 take better pics but my moto x is equal at my s3 n4 or iphone 5...
My wife say my moto is better than their iphone 5 for pics...
My moto x is made in china ( sold by rogers... )
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it is NOT better than the iPhone 5. Only the S4 can match/outdone the iPhone 5.
having said that, the X is still the best device to hold (physically). And as someone mentioned, there's some clever CPU usage optimization here! I have yet to see it slow down, as where the TouchWiz ROM on the S4 would crawl at unexpected moments.

thedosbox said:
Pros that "know photography" don't use smart phones to take photos.
For the OP, buy whatever you want. If you want a "daily driver" thats good for one-handed use, the Moto X is a perfectly valid choice. If you want to compare e-peen for a few more weeks, get a GPe device.
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Exactly. It's been said in a number of threads already that people are putting too much emphasis on the camera and labeling it "bad" as if they are going to use the camera 10 hours a day and professionally photograph weddings. Bad is a relative term. If you have an sgs4 or iphone, then yes, motoX is bad in comparison. But this can easily be corrected with a camera app update in due time that moto will release. Everything else about this phone is quite flawless in terms of day-to-day experience and usage. Isn't that the type of phone most people want?

gammite said:
the camera may not seem that bad to joe six pack but to folks that know photography and image reproduction those look horrible. you can't tell me that you don't see that purple monster all over those pics.
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What are you looking at?
Only real purple I see is the stuff on top of the turtles.
/facepalm at these people who still think their PHONE should be taking digital photography specialist photos.
Like someone else said, most photography "pros" already have plenty of other equipment.
Don't even get me started on the Lumia 1020, they gave into you camera obsessed people but the rest of the phone is nothing to go home about.
I have the One and I use it's camera on a normal basis and I see little to no difference between the photos I take and some of the Moto X's photos I see.

People will complain no matter what. And most of the complaints are coming from people that don't even own the phone.
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05GT said:
Honestly the camera isn't THAT bad. The phone overall is a quality piece. Everything works well, and it's a very smooth experience.
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I'm not really all up on photography but even I can tell that those pictures don't look right. I assume the Moto Maxx has the same camera problem?

I Am Marino said:
What are you looking at?
Only real purple I see is the stuff on top of the turtles.
/facepalm at these people who still think their PHONE should be taking digital photography specialist photos.
Like someone else said, most photography "pros" already have plenty of other equipment.
Don't even get me started on the Lumia 1020, they gave into you camera obsessed people but the rest of the phone is nothing to go home about.
I have the One and I use it's camera on a normal basis and I see little to no difference between the photos I take and some of the Moto X's photos I see.
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if you read a little further you would see that a camera is low on my list of options for a phone. with that said the pictures still do suck. and as you stated I don't see a reason to goto a 1020 from the 920 I already own. and I am also patiently waiting on my 32 gig moto x which will be my daily driver replacing my atrix 4g which actually takes decent pictures.
and if you can't see that sand, rocks and water are not supposed to have a purple hue I am not sure what to say about that.

To me it looks moss growing over a normally blue-ish pool bottom. The only thing I've read for moto x camera issues is dull color representation not incorrect random colors. Lots of confusion from self-proclaimed camera experts.

Motorola Drops Moto X to $400

I knew this was coming...http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/01/moto-x-400/

450$ for 32GB and Developed editions. Let's hope we get some more devs AND users jumping on the bandwagon at these prices.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...9-32gb-and-developer-editions-dropped-to-449/
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Imagine if they had released it at this price. Moto X is a great phone but the early bad will, due to the initial price and spec non-issue, has probably hurt it's overall sales for good. Hope I'm wrong about that :fingers-crossed:

I think the pricing now is what should have been all along. Can't wait to see what they have next.
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Moto X 32GB @ $450 vs. Iphone 5s 32GB @ $750 or even Iphone 5c 32GB @ $650.
Take this along with Nexus 5 pricing and Moto G 16GB @ $200 and it's exceeding clear Google wants to drive very good to excellent mobile phones to commodity pricing and juice the off-contract market. If the illusion of subsidized pricing with 2 year contracts goes away in the US, the love of shinny jewel-like phones might just tarnish a bit (or significantly hurt profit margins).

I think it's awesome google are making great phones at affordable prices... But most go with contracts anyway... Cause it's cheaper up front and cause that's what people are just used too.
Personally I think if you buy an iPhone outright at 750 vs 450 for a Moto x.... You'd be a fool. Lol
Hopefully over time the brain washing that you have to have an iPhone will fade and people will wake up. They may have good hardware and be reliable software wise.. But it's apple. They can't sell apple computers because of their ridiculous limitations... Yet people flock like zombies to their phones... Makes no sense. Lol
In time they'll be where blackberry is in the food chain, I have no doubt.
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....

alpha-niner64 said:
That's pretty insulting. Zombies? iOS may be what it is, but had you said this back with the iphone 3g, then I'd agree. But we've come a long way since iOS3 and with a bit of JB-magic, you could customize iOS as much as Android. Granted, Android: it's far easier and safer. A lot of stuff on iOS is really user-friendly. It's only with the Moto X that I can decisively recommend Android over iOS to anyone not invested in the iOS ecosystem because what drew people to iOS back then, Google just achieved with the Moto X (the Android Market is still a work in progress compared to the App store). 5 years is a long time to get invested.
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You can't do /change even a fraction of what you can on an Android on an iPhone. Jailbroken or not. They are completely over priced too boot.
Again.... 750 for an iPhone vs 450 for a Moto x should be a no brainer ... But apple still has this magic power with so many that you HAVE to have an iPhone.... Or you're not cool. Lol
A used 4s can still cost you what a new Moto x costs.... And the 4s is just awful compared to the X.
But the zombies still will by the 4s. Lol
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That's pretty insulting. Zombies? iOS may be what it is, but had you said this back with the iphone 3g, then I'd agree. But we've come a long way since iOS3 and with a bit of JB-magic, you could customize iOS as much as Android. Granted, Android: it's far easier and safer. A lot of stuff on iOS is really user-friendly. It's only with the Moto X that I can decisively recommend Android over iOS to anyone not invested in the iOS ecosystem because what drew people to iOS back then, Google just achieved with the Moto X (the Android Market is still a work in progress compared to the App store but 5 years is a long time since.
If only the Moto G was as small as the Moto X: I would sing Motorola's praises all day and night. Better battery life and at $200 unlocked? iphone 4 still sells at that price. Even the most spec-retardant brain can't ignore that the Moto G is just a better buy. Removable battery/MicroSD would've been gravy.
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Active Notification and Touchless Controls on top of the smoothest/longest-in-its-range Android experience ever is hard to ignore at any price. Nexus 5 owners have to constantly reassure themselves they bought their phone for the specs, but that's all they got going for them in between mid-day charging :laugh:
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My n5 gets nearly the same battery life as my moto x.
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kj2112 said:
A used 4s can still cost you what a new Moto x costs.... And the 4s is just awful compared to the X.
But the zombies still will by the 4s. Lol
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I own all three: s4, n5 and moto x.
S4 is still the best IMHO:
-IR capability (once you have it can't live without)
-ext SD
-ext battery (internal batteries eventually lose capacity)
-better camera
-bigger screen
Now with that being said, I do like all three and the N5 and moto x have a better price point but there are concessions to get that price point.
I recommend all three depending on needs and likes.
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markwebb said:
I own all three: s4, n5 and moto x.
S4 is still the best IMHO:
-IR capability (once you have it can't live without)
-ext SD
-ext battery (internal batteries eventually lose capacity)
-better camera
-bigger screen
Now with that being said, I do like all three and the N5 and moto x have a better price point but there are concessions to get that price point.
I recommend all three depending on needs and likes.
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I didn't like the s4. The plastic and whole phone felt extremely cheap, battery life wasn't nearly as good as moto x, and camera was awful in anything other than daylight.
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I didn't like the s4. The plastic and whole phone felt extremely cheap, battery life wasn't nearly as good as moto x, and camera was awful in anything other than daylight.
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That sounds like a user/software input issue rather than the hardware. It's on record the Galaxy S4 has the better performing camera(though IMO not by much), even on paper and by testimony so I know it's user error. It's not a secret that a lot of cameraphones just aren't good at low light conditions.

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...If only the Moto G was as small as the Moto X: I would sing Motorola's praises......
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With about one millimeter difference per dimension, I think it's safe to say they are the same side.
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kj2112 said:
I think it's awesome google are making great phones at affordable prices... But most go with contracts anyway... Cause it's cheaper up front and cause that's what people are just used too.
Personally I think if you buy an iPhone outright at 750 vs 450 for a Moto x.... You'd be a fool. Lol
Hopefully over time the brain washing that you have to have an iPhone will fade and people will wake up. They may have good hardware and be reliable software wise.. But it's apple. They can't sell apple computers because of their ridiculous limitations... Yet people flock like zombies to their phones... Makes no sense. Lol
In time they'll be where blackberry is in the food chain, I have no doubt.
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You may be right about people going with contracts to get the low upfront price. However, people can do the math too, and when nice equipment hits the $200 to $400 price range out of contract vs. free to $200 upfront cost + higher monthly payments the old way of doing business doesn't jive. T-Mobile who started the whole unbundled thing here in the USA still advertises low upfront prices but at least they're more honest and show it as a 0% finance loan which can be paid off over a couple years. Of course if you're on Verizon or Sprint, there isn't much benefit to paying up front unless you need to be on those networks due to coverage, or not wanting to go on contract but with no discount, or you're nursing along a grandfathered unlimited data plan. I'd expect Verizon to be the last vendor to get on board with the new way of doing business and only after they experience customers fleeing for a better deal.
Personally not a Mac guy (although I was in the 1980's) but I'm not sure what limitations they have that would make their computers limited. If anything, the whole modern interface thing MS is forcing on people might be driving people there. I built a great W8.1 computer which is absolutely awesome once I neutered it back to behaving like W7 (but it's actually much better than W7).
The whole iPhone thing is going to be a tough nut to crack in the USA. It seems almost everyone has an iPhone where you're out in public (not such an exclusive club when you think about it). My kids still have feature phones and their high school friends and cousins don't ask them when they're getting a smartphone, they ask when they're getting an iPhone. My daughter has a friend with a hand-me-down Samsung GS3 which the girl refers to as BIG BERTHA. Even our local news covers an Apple iDevice announcement as a news event (free advertising). People on national TV shows (mostly news type shows) almost always refer to their devices as "iPhones or iPads" and talk about how they are going to "facetime" someone (unless it's one of the many shows where MS has paid for product placements). I was looking at something in a Verizon store over Xmas and overheard a couple getting new phones. The guy said, "maybe I'll try an Android this time." The sales agent (young female) said, "you don't want to do that." Seen several people with cracked screened iPhones at the stores forking over big bucks to get another one. Basically they sell themselves or it's a very easy discussion for a sales agent. I was part of the computer industry when "proprietary" became a dirt word, so it absolutely floors me that folks are buying into a very proprietary setup with iDevices.
I do think Motorola is heading in a great direction with the X and G. Did run into some parents buying a Moto X for their daughter at a store via Motomaker. The young girl had a very specific combination of colors she wanted, and that alone was driving the desire for the Moto X. They saw I had one and were delighted I thought it was such a great device beyond the colors. A very good sign.

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That sounds like a user/software input issue rather than the hardware. It's on record the Galaxy S4 has the better performing camera(though IMO not by much), even on paper and by testimony so I know it's user error. It's not a secret that a lot of cameraphones just aren't good at low light conditions.
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Actually I think it's documented that the s4 camera is terrible in any sort of low light. So not user error. Unless everyone that used it is doing it wrong.
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4.4.2 and fix the camera (much more needs to be done) and I'll come back. Amuses me to see the s4 camera bashed in a moto x forum though...

Restola said:
4.4.2 and fix the camera (much more needs to be done) and I'll come back. Amuses me to see the s4 camera bashed in a moto x forum though...
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How is it bashing when its the truth? I'd rather have a grainy lowlight picture that actually shows you something than one that's completely black. Obviously the s4 camera is better in light.
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Restola said:
4.4.2 and fix the camera (much more needs to be done) and I'll come back. Amuses me to see the s4 camera bashed in a moto x forum though...
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If 4.4.2 us what's holding you Back then why are you on the s4? I had an s4 and miss it but man the features the Moto x can get over them, the camera sucks,like bad. I loved the s4s camera
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If 4.4.2 us what's holding you Back then why are you on the s4? I had an s4 and miss it but man the features the Moto x can get over them, the camera sucks,like bad. I loved the s4s camera
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I'm not on an S4. I was just responding to the s4 camera bashing when the moto x takes iffy photos (bi-polar is probably the right word) even in normal indoor lighting.
I believe it is still software. The ISO in the attached picture is 5000 (totally unnecessary for it to be that high).

Restola said:
I'm not on an S4. I was just responding to the s4 camera bashing when the moto x takes iffy photos (bi-polar is probably the right word) even in normal indoor lighting.
I believe it is still software. The ISO in the attached picture is 5000 (totally unnecessary for it to be that high).
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You're right! That's where fv-5 or another app come in. I like fv-5, all the settings right there in the screen... Don't have to go into menus.
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Still nothing like my $150 Sony camera.... But no phone will ever match even a cheap camera. Lol
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Nexus Users

Do you guys think there'll be a surge of orders from Nexus users who don't want to upgrade to a phone as big as the Nexus 6?
The new Moto X is the closest to a Nexus phone now (not phablet).

I think it's more likely that they stick with the Nexus 5 and pray Google comes back down to earth next year. I can't imagine that releasing a 5.9" phone as your one and only is going to pay off.

Yeah, I think the Moto X might pick of a few Nexus users (myself included) if the next Nexus device really only offers a 6" screen. But I suspect the reasons people want a Nexus device go deeper than that. The 1st Gen. Moto X got almost no development. If you want the roms and the hacks and all that, nothing is like the Nexus (and the Moto X is far from 2nd runner up, in terms of amount of development). So the near stock rom on the Moto X is a bit of a mirage. I'm still not sure I'm ready to make the jump and lose out on the development options (as well as the increased control and potential privacy offered by something like Cyanogen, over any manufacturer maintained rom).
Also the price on the Nexus has always been at least $100 lower than what a Moto X goes for. That's going to be a big deciding factor. Nothing talks like money.
But for people who aren't into the roms and just like the stock Android experience and don't care about price so much, maybe some of them will jump ship from the Nexus.

Severely doubt a 5.92" screen... 5.2" is more likely. Otherwise, the other released and confirmed specs look good. Just depends on battery life for me.
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Project:Frankenphone said:
Severely doubt a 5.92" screen... 5.2" is more likely. Otherwise, the other released and confirmed specs look good. Just depends on battery life for me.
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Literally everything is pointing to a 5.9" screen. No one is even acknowledging that a 5.2" device is even in the works any more. More likely the 5.2" phone everyone was talking about was the Droid Turbo.

Are the Nexus 5 and Moto X using the same size sim?
EDIT: Nope. Curses.

Yea cause I'm most likely one of them. I think the better speakers is what I want most. Weak speakers is the only thing I don't like about the Nexus

I hope I don't offend some people, but it seems a sizable percentage of Nexus people look down on the Moto X because they think it's an overpriced stock Android phone and think it cost too much. This is also true with OPO users. They think just because a phone use stock Android it automatically worth less. They don't take in consideration the difference in hardware design and add-on features. I just think installing CM on the X just take away all the great things about it.

eksasol said:
I hope I don't offend some people, but it seems a sizable percentage of Nexus people look down on the Moto X because they think it's an overpriced stock Android phone and think it cost too much. This is also true with OPO users. They think just because a phone use stock Android it automatically worth less. They don't take in consideration the difference in hardware design and add-on features. I just think installing CM on the X just take away all the great things about it.
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I was a Nexus 4 user, and why I got the Moto X is because my n4 was dying on me. Also, it's a nice phone, and the added hardware and software tweaks is worth enough for the price imo. I just want a clean stock experience, and that is why I like both the Nexus and Moto X
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Nexus user here - owned every Nexus phone since the original. I've picked up a Moto X simply because this year's Nexus is too large. But I agree with the analysis here - the X is a good substitute, but it isn't quite the same thing and I hope we won't see any negatives from that. If we don't get L pronto I will be complaining all over Twitter :crying:

I bought the nexus 5 first and the moto x after but sold my nexus 5 and used the moto x exclusively. My wife got a new iphone so now i'm using her nexus 5.
Things i like since moving to the Nexus 5
larger crisper screen.
snappier performance (very noticable) whether in games, browsing, and using google now voice commands, everything just comes quicker and faster.
willingness to take more pictures because it has a better camera
Things i REALLY miss from the moto X
Active display. LED light from N5 doesn't cut it for me anymore
Touchless controls. I can't wake my phone from sleep. I don't use it much but when I want to I can't with the N5
--mics Moto's mics are awesome. I don't have to raise my voice like I do with the N5 when using the OK google command.
* on the N5 i have the google voice detection turned on for all screens and it drains the battery a little more. When plugged in, i leave the screen on so I have somewhat of touchless control.
Speaker - The moto's speaker is super loud compared to the N5.
Moto Assist - I use "AGENT" for the N5 but it's just not the same. The text reading and replying is very similar but with the Moto's mics the experience is better on the moto, but agent works very well as an alternative. Incoming calls aren't read out loud to you in Agent but they are in Moto Assist. AGENT relies on connecting to a trusted device in order for drive mode to come on while moto assist is able to detect when you're driving even w/o connecting to the trusted bluetooth device.
Battery life - i consistently get an hour more of SOT time with the moto over the N5 with just about the exact same type of usage.
There are a few other quirks between the two but these are the major ones for me.
The Moto X 2014 seems to blend both of these phones together and that's why I'm really wanting it, despite the battery life complaints. If it's equal to or greater to the moto x 2013 I'll probably get it. ESPECIALLY if the moto nexus doesn't have the moto tweaks. I doubt it does but i'm holding onto that small sliver of hope it does. These moto enhancements are very very very usual and i wish Google would bake these into Android but then Moto wouldn't be as unique any longer.

biggiestuff said:
Things i REALLY miss from the moto X
Active display. LED light from N5 doesn't cut it for me anymore
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Dynamic Notifications is a nice substitute to use on the N5.
The N6/X at 5.9" is too big.

My take on it is that Motorola provides the nearest to Nexus experience (aside from GPE editions), with some extras in the sensors/software. The new Moto X is of the same hardware generation as the Nexus 5, so I think most will stick with the 5 unless they want a larger phone, and those will go to the 6 (which is about 1/2 generation newer if we believe the Snapdragon 805 [I almost called it a dragonball - now that will show my age in the mobile chip world] rumor). The phone jumpers will end up trying both the X and the 6, and may end up back at the 5.
I've been scratching my head between a Nexus 5 and Moto X to replace my work-supplied blackberry (company started to support Android in August) and think I am about to pull the trigger on the X. I thought about the M8 GPE, but holding both the new X and the M8 yesterday, the X definitely won out in-hand.

bostonirishguy13 said:
Dynamic Notifications is a nice substitute to use on the N5.
I have an N5, OPO and Moto X 2014. The N6/X at 5.9" is too big.
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It's actually has some better features but it was ugly to look at from an angle since the n5 doesn't have the best viewing angles. Plus the turn screen on when pulling out of the pocket didn't work as well as the moto. Another feature I really like. Saves that power button.
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It's actually has some better features but it was ugly to look at from an angle since the n5 doesn't have the best viewing angles. Plus the turn screen on when pulling out of the pocket didn't work as well as the moto. Another feature I really like. Saves that power button.
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Also, the battery drain will be a little bit more since the n5 screen is LCD. Having an active display like feature is made for amoled screens if you want to conserve battery
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I'm considering the Moto X but I am waiting to see if a root method (an prefereably an easy way to unlock the bootloader like the first gen Moto X) appears for the non-pure edition devices. If that doesn't happen by January, I may just have to rock a stupidly huge device. Being able to root and customize/backup/automate to my heart's desire is the most important feature of a phone to me. Second is stock Android and fast updates (so obviously the Moto X meets that).

For those of us on Verizon who have suffered through the Galaxy Nexus' shortcomings (late / no updates) and the fact that the N4 and N5 weren't available on VZW. ---- the new MOTO X is really the only reasonable choice. Just ordered mine on Sunday to replace my ancient Galaxy Nexus. I'm hoping it is "pure enough". I do need someone to gain root though....

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For those of us on Verizon who have suffered through the Galaxy Nexus' shortcomings (late / no updates) and the fact that the N4 and N5 weren't available on VZW. ---- the new MOTO X is really the only reasonable choice. Just ordered mine on Sunday to replace my ancient Galaxy Nexus. I'm hoping it is "pure enough". I do need someone to gain root though....
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wow you're still rocking it? You're a glutton for punishment.

tim k said:
For those of us on Verizon who have suffered through the Galaxy Nexus' shortcomings (late / no updates) and the fact that the N4 and N5 weren't available on VZW. ---- the new MOTO X is really the only reasonable choice. Just ordered mine on Sunday to replace my ancient Galaxy Nexus. I'm hoping it is "pure enough". I do need someone to gain root though....
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Even after the most recent GPU update lol I still own mine and play with it occasionally

biggiestuff said:
wow you're still rocking it? You're a glutton for punishment.
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I know. Almost 3yrs at this point. But what was I gonna do? We have unlimited data on our two phones, and get a nice discount through my wife's work. And she travels in places like Kentucky and West Virginia so the Verizon coverage is a big deal. If it was just me I would've switched to T-Mobile already. So, considering that....what could I do but keep the Galaxy Nexus? I couldn't stand Samsung's crapware etc, and nothing else interested me. The new X is the first thing that seems like a real option.
I hope it lives up to my expectations.
My wife is still rocking a Motorola Droid Razr. If you think the Galaxy Nexus struggles to function now you should try her phone....she gave up before me, and she still uses a Blackberry Curve for work.

Nexus 6, Moto X Play, or Note 4

Let the debate begin. Obviously these 3 devices will be the highest end you can buy.
As for me, I am completely torn between the 3 devices.
I am really upset that the Droid Turbo/Moto X Play will have better specs than the Nexus 6. (21mp camera, HUGE Battery)
Here are my thoughts.
Nexus 6
- Always will have latest version of Android
- 6 inch display is too damn big. (But will look very nice with 2k )
- Camera is nowhere near top of the line by today's standards.
- No removable battery or expandable storage
- Wireless charging!
- No IR blaster. (Sorry, this feature is awesome. Have you ever turned off a TV at the bar in the middle of the game?? )
- It's gorgeous
Moto X Play/Droid Turbo
- I would rather take 5.2 in display over 6 in
- Tablet sized batterry
- 21MP Camera!
- No guarantee it will always have latest version of Android
- Moto X Play will probably will take forever to come out after Droid Turbo because of Verizon exclusive. I want my new phone NOW
Note 4
- Great camera (Better than nexus 6)
- Replaceable battery and expandable storage
- IR Blaster
- It is also gorgeous
- Touchwiz has always, and will always suck.
- Flashing any AOSP/CM based rom will break a lot of the features. It will also degrade camera performance because of the new kernel
What y'all think?

I am only torn between 2. The moto x and the Nexus 6....I just can't stand touch wiz.
Really my only doubt is the size of the Nexus but it is a Nexus. Love my N5 and i still feel it has a lot of longevity but man oh man do I want that new hardware....

I'm torn with note 4 and nexus. I'm on verizon now and plan to move to t mobile. My fear with the turbo is major bloat and the inability to root and use recovery.

Sudbury78 said:
I'm torn with note 4 and nexus. I'm on verizon now and plan to move to t mobile. My fear with the turbo is major bloat and the inability to root and use recovery.
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I am on Tmo. There should be a GSM variant of the Turbo coming out called the Moto X Play per an FCC filing.
I think it is safe to say that from a pure specs perspective, this phone is at the top.

Hmmm intriguing. Now I'm more confused and sad I have to wait. Haha

Its also worth noting that all of these moto phones coming out are still operating under Google ownership. This should be good thing with keeping the bloat to a minimum.

What is this Moto X Play thing, I never heard of that. As far as I understand the official name is Droid Turbo.
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Where did you even make this conclusion from? Have you actually used it or are you just basing it on Megapixel counts?
I have used the OnePlus before which use the Sony Exmor214 sensor, which is actually pretty high end. A lot of it will come down to post processing software. So we have to wait and see. Here is a 4K DCI example of the video recording using the same sensor as in the Nexus 6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y4GvxAHFxU
I got some pretty high quality images from the OnePlus camera myself, even though it doesn't have the best post processing technology.

eksasol said:
What is this Moto X Play thing, I never heard of that. As far as I understand the official name is Droid Turbo.
Where did you even make this conclusion from? Have you actually used it or are you just basing it on Megapixel counts?
I have used the OnePlus before which use the Sony Exmor214 sensor, which is actually pretty high end. A lot of it will come down to post processing software. So we have to wait and see. Here is a 4K DCI example of the video recording using the same sensor as in the Nexus 6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y4GvxAHFxU
I got some pretty high quality images from the OnePlus camera myself, even though it doesn't have the best post processing technology.
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Hey. Here is some info on the Moto X Play FCC filing.
I was under the impression that the Moto X and the Nexus 6 would have the same camera. From what I have seen in the review videos of the Moto X is that the camera is not good at all.
I will check out the sample you sent... should be interesting.

I'm torn between the nexus 6 and the moto x play. On the one hand the play (or whatever it will be called on Att and tmobile) has that awesome battery, super camera, more usable size. However it appears to lack LTE band 12 for the non vzw variant. That's a bummer because 700 mhz is awesome for building penetration and T-Mobile has bought a lot of it this year.
Nexus 6 has it plus a reasonable battery. I love my nexus 5 except for the battery could be 25% better.
One the size issue, I held an iPhone 6 plus the other day and it wasn't that bad. I could see myself getting used to it.
Note 4 is right out. Can't stand Samsung devices except for my galaxy nexus (still have).
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I have the note 3 and its tits, I'm getting the nexus 6. If I ever get annoyed, I can always go back to my note 3. Nexus 4 and 5 were a bore to me. I'm actually very boob excited for this nexus 6
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pedxing said:
I'm torn between the nexus 6 and the moto x play. On the one hand the play (or whatever it will be called on Att and tmobile) has that awesome battery, super camera, more usable size. However it appears to lack LTE band 12 for the non vzw variant. That's a bummer because 700 mhz is awesome for building penetration and T-Mobile has bought a lot of it this year.
Nexus 6 has it plus a reasonable battery. I love my nexus 5 except for the battery could be 25% better.
One the size issue, I held an iPhone 6 plus the other day and it wasn't that bad. I could see myself getting used to it.
Note 4 is right out. Can't stand Samsung devices except for my galaxy nexus (still have).
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The Moto X Play seems badass in theory, but it's pretty much just vapor right now. If it is an AT&T exclusive, it will be locked down incredibly tight and there likely won't be much development going on for it. I'm sure it will get rooted, but Motorola's bootloaders are notoriously difficult to crack. If ROMing is your thing, then the Moto X Play probably won't be. I don't know if you've considered the regular Moto X but I would give it an honest shot too. You can pick up the Pure edition which is free of carrier bloat and has an unlockable bootloader essentially making it a 5.2" Nexus phone. It is hands down the nicest feeling Android phone I've ever held in my hands, and its performance is top notch.
As far as the iPhone 6 is concerned, it's a seriously awesome piece of hardware. I always have at least one Android device as well as an iPhone since I love multiple things about both platforms and can honestly say that with the 6, there is less of an itch to pick up my Android phone than ever before. I think Apple knocked it out of the park with this one and can recommend it wholeheartedly. If I was stuck on a deserted island and had to choose either Android or iOS to keep with me I'd still choose Android, but it would be a tougher decision to make and live with now that I have the 6.
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I'm on verizon. Sold my note 3 because I could not stand touchwiz. Bought the moto x it is a fantastic phone but I miss being able to play with phones like my galaxy nexus. Im buying the nexus 6 the instant it is available.

_MetalHead_ said:
The Moto X Play seems badass in theory, but it's pretty much just vapor right now. If it is an AT&T exclusive, it will be locked down incredibly tight and there likely won't be much development going on for it. I'm sure it will get rooted, but Motorola's bootloader safe notoriously difficult to crack.
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Agree with you there. I was hoping for a play edition of the x play.... Maybe it's a unicorn though.
I'll probably preorder the nexus 6 and see how it goes and if the battery isn't good enough and the magical moto comes out with pure android I'll grab that and try it.
Hopefully Motorola will do it like the did with the g and the new x.
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Agree with you there. I was hoping for a play edition of the x play.... Maybe it's a unicorn though.
I'll probably preorder the nexus 6 and see how it goes and if the battery isn't good enough and the magical moto comes out with pure android I'll grab that and try it.
Hopefully Motorola will do it like the did with the g and the new x.
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If and when it does come out, its software will be as close to stock as you can get without it being an official "pure android" device. Ditching Blur was the smartest thing Motorola did- they went from having the worst software to having the best software overnight. The additional software features that Motorola includes in their phones now actually make stock android better. Active display is the greatest thing in the world since man first discovered that oysters are edible.

Guys how would this compare to the Galaxy S5?

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Guys how would this compare to the Galaxy S5?
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It's not an essential upgrade of course, but this is XDA and usually most people upgrading here aren't doing it because they need to. From the Carphone Warehouse video, the camera is apparently almost as good as the Note 4's in daytime shots and slightly better in lowlight shots. So it should be comparable, if not a bit better, than the S5's. The Nexus 6 will certainly be a great deal bigger, so assess whether or not a big phone is for you (I'd test out an iPhone 6 Plus and a Note 4 and see if you think you can adjust). It's subjective, but I and many others vastly prefer stock Android over TouchWiz and that's always been a reason to buy a Nexus device for me. Take in mind you'll be giving up expandable storage and removable batteries. I'm not sure if that's important to you or not, though.
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xaznxplaya said:
Guys how would this compare to the Galaxy S5?
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As far as the iPhone 6 is concerned, it's a seriously awesome piece of hardware. I always have at least one Android device as well as an iPhone since I love multiple things about both platforms and can honestly say that with the 6, there is less of an itch to pick up my Android phone than ever before. I think Apple knocked it out of the park with this one and can recommend it wholeheartedly. If I was stuck on a deserted island and had to choose either Android or iOS to keep with me I'd still choose Android, but it would be a tougher decision to make and live with now that I have the 6.
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I'm specifically replying to agree with what you're saying about the iPhone 6. I've been using mine since launch (4.7", 128gb), and I almost hate how much I love it. The last time I tried out an iPhone was with the iPhone 5 and after three weeks I felt like I was being held back in functionality over Android and switched back to my original HTC One, sold the iPhone, and didn't look back. This time, though, I don't see myself doing that. I'm past the honeymoon phase and am still finding very few things to dislike. The screen, the camera, the battery life, the smoothness. It's all on point. I've been annoyed by a lack of customizability a couple times, but my lack of complaints in other areas allow it. This is the first device I've ever had that I don't believe has an Achilles heel. It's almost a shame that it's an iPhone, though. I'm hoping the Nexus 6 will be the Android equivalent.

I was torn between the Nexus 6 and the Xperia Z3, but after actually seeing the N6, that's what I'm going with!
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@gregk232
My opinion
Samsung is pleasing to the eye when it's not randomly rebooting/overheating and the biggest negative is TOUCHWIZ
Everything else other than Samsung is a plus

gregk232 said:
Hey. Here is some info on the Moto X Play FCC filing.
I was under the impression that the Moto X and the Nexus 6 would have the same camera. From what I have seen in the review videos of the Moto X is that the camera is not good at all.
I will check out the sample you sent... should be interesting.
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No the Nexus 6 has a newer/better camera hardware than the Moto X.
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@gregk232
My opinion
Samsung is pleasing to the eye when it's not randomly rebooting/overheating and the biggest negative is TOUCHWIZ
Everything else other than Samsung is a plus
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The only thing I like about Touchwiz, is the Messaging App and the Photo Gallery/Editing Options. Everything else is just way over the top.

The debate is pretty simply...do you wish to get an OS update before you sell the device?
If so...then Samsung is right off the list.

Nexus 5x vs Moto x variants

Since some people seem to think Nexus 5x is overpriced/underspec'ed and think that the Moto x play or style are more viable options, what are some of your reasons for getting one or the other?
I personally pre-ordered the Nexus 5x but am reconsidering because the Moto X play is similarly sized but with a bigger screen, expandable storage (32 gb may not be enough or pushing is close), and way bigger battery.
Let me and the rest of the community know your for and against for each.

For Nexus 5X: Finger print scanner. Guaranteed updates for a long time - unlike moto X 2014 on at&t (not getting 6.0) - which for me is a huge deal and causes me to distrust Motorola. Smaller form factor. Better camera in low light (I'm hoping, but it sounds like it will be).
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Endoran said:
For Nexus 5X: Finger print scanner. Guaranteed updates for a long time - unlike moto X 2014 on at&t (not getting 6.0) - which for me is a huge deal and causes me to distrust Motorola. Smaller form factor. Better camera in low light (I'm hoping, but it sounds like it will be).
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Verizon Moto X isn't getting it either. Even the Moto E was axed. That's really bad that phones only a year old is not going to get the update. Like you, I really lost respect for Moto
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Guaranteed updates with 5x and is of now no development on the moto

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Verizon Moto X isn't getting it either. Even the Moto E was axed. That's really bad that phones only a year old is not going to get the update. Like you, I really lost respect for Moto
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Moto E was just released this year, and its not getting 6.0. That's real sad, for me its a no brainer to go the Nexus route.

Endoran said:
For Nexus 5X: Finger print scanner. Guaranteed updates for a long time - unlike moto X 2014 on at&t (not getting 6.0) - which for me is a huge deal and causes me to distrust Motorola. Smaller form factor. Better camera in low light (I'm hoping, but it sounds like it will be).
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Thats interesting I didn't notice that Moto left out the Moto x 2014 from the update list. Maybe it will be added later? Or did they explicitly say it will be left out? Also the Moto X play was the intriguing phone for me since it's practically the same size (within 3 mm in all dimensions). But way bigger battery, storage and screen (bittersweet, may be too big).
Nexus 5x for me has better screen size but still bigger footprint than size suggests. Also 32 gb may be too little especially with increasing app size. Updates are key to me.

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Thats interesting I didn't notice that Moto left out the Moto x 2014 from the update list. Maybe it will be added later? Or did they explicitly say it will be left out? Also the Moto X play was the intriguing phone for me since it's practically the same size (within 3 mm in all dimensions). But way bigger battery, storage and screen (bittersweet, may be too big).
Nexus 5x for me has better screen size but still bigger footprint than size suggests. Also 32 gb may be too little especially with increasing app size. Updates are key to me.
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If timely updates are key to you, then the Nexus, all the way.
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aamir123 said:
Thats interesting I didn't notice that Moto left out the Moto x 2014 from the update list. Maybe it will be added later? Or did they explicitly say it will be left out? Also the Moto X play was the intriguing phone for me since it's practically the same size (within 3 mm in all dimensions). But way bigger battery, storage and screen (bittersweet, may be too big).
Nexus 5x for me has better screen size but still bigger footprint than size suggests. Also 32 gb may be too little especially with increasing app size. Updates are key to me.
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The 2014 pure is getting the update but not any of the carrier ones.
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Verizon Moto X 2014 user here. Just submitted my 5X order. Done with Motorola after this recent experience.
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The 2014 pure is getting the update but not any of the carrier ones.
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Yeah people that bought the carrier moto X should have seen that coming. The moto X pure was released for a reason. The carrier version was for people on a budget that wanted a decent performing smartphone and didn't care about rooting or Android version numbers
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Moto X is too big. The Nexus 5 is too big as well but it is closer to a phone than a phablet.

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Moto X is too big. The Nexus 5 is too big as well but it is closer to a phone than a phablet.
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Actually if you look at the spec list and even the phone arena size compare tool with overlap you will notice that the Moto X play is only very very close to the footprint of the 5x but with a bigger screen and its thicker but has micro sd slot. Only thing that doesnt seem great is the performance which is hit or miss for some. It even has CMod.
Also I pre ordered the 5x as well so I'm not here to sing praise but I noticed the X play and wanted to get people's opinions.

TL;DR - I'm returning the Moto X Pure (for now) in order to give the Nexus 5X a shot.
Here's my opinion on 5X vs Moto X (2015 Pure in my case).
I'll start off saying that I've become incredibly picky with finding the perfect phone for me, or at least close enough. There's no such thing as the perfect phone for everyone.
My general requirements (desires) are:
Decent processor/storage/battery/camera. Top notch specs aren't required.
Rooted and unlocked bootloader or the ability to flash custom roms if not fully unlocked
Stock or close to stock android or CM12.x
Compatible with Verizon (still have unlimited and not giving it up)
I'm coming from an LG G2 (Verizon VS980) which I ran from 11/2014 until 09/2015. It was rooted and running CM12/12.1 or a variant. It ran great, few complaints other than battery life (a little over 3hr SOT max, often less). 32gb was never an issue for my usage and I don't do any gaming so top spec'd processor doesn't really matter as long as normal OS navigation is smooth and fast.
I preordered the G4, but the lack of development and having to run LG's skin turned me away. I also had issues with missed touches and some strange screen glitching that appeared to be related to defective HW. I returned this and went back to the G2.
I thought the Moto X Pure (2015) would be perfect. It has a good processor, battery and camera. The fast charging is fantastic and gets me from 20ish% to full on my 45+ min commute using a QC 2.0 Anker car charger. I love the weight and the feel of the device, feels premium to me. But it's a bit too large even though I have large hands and can grip fully around the device without issue. 5.2-5.5 is the sweet spot for me. I've been experiencing a lot of lag, and honestly the G2 feels a lot faster. I didn't expect to have lag with the Moto X especially since it's mostly stock Android. I also haven't had good battery life even being rooted, unlocked and running greenify along with some other wakelock-reducing tweaks (wifi, BT, location are always on and I don't turn off syncing of anything in my google account). Phone is off the charger daily around 5-5:30am and while I have the ability to charge at work and to/from work, if I don't, I get around 18hrs off the charger and MAX of 3hrs SOT. Maybe that's good, but it just doesn't seem to cut it for me.
I'm going with the 5X in hopes that the size will feel better, the 1080p won't draw as much power so the downsizing from 3000 to 2700mah will be a moot point. I think the camera will live up to my expectations. I'm into photography and have a Canon 6D along with some nice L glass that I pull out when I need a good photo. Since I don't do any gaming or run apps that really hog any memory, I don't expect the 2gb RAM to be an issue (it was fine on the G2).
I should know soon enough if the 5X will be the right phone for me. I'm optimistic, but if it's not, then I'll be able to compare to the Moto X Pure and decide to keep the 5X or to repurchase the Moto X Pure. They're the only 2 phones on the market that seem to meet my criteria.
My apologies for the long-winded reply, but hopefully this will help someone else.

aamir123 said:
Actually if you look at the spec list and even the phone arena size compare tool with overlap you will notice that the Moto X play is only very very close to the footprint of the 5x but with a bigger screen and its thicker but has micro sd slot. Only thing that doesnt seem great is the performance which is hit or miss for some. It even has CMod.
Also I pre ordered the 5x as well so I'm not here to sing praise but I noticed the X play and wanted to get people's opinions.
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I'm on of those who had a bad experience with the Moto X Play. Some tell me theirs has no lag at all, mine lags for the most simple tasks. Swiping down the quick toggles while inside Google Play Music is the worst. I can't recommend it.

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I'm on of those who had a bad experience with the Moto X Play. Some tell me theirs has no lag at all, mine lags for the most simple tasks. Swiping down the quick toggles while inside Google Play Music is the worst. I can't recommend it.
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On my 2nd gen X (att... Not pure) I had a lot of those issues. Notifications and recent are by far the worst. Actually caused me to sell it and go back to N5
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met152 said:
TL;DR - I'm returning the Moto X Pure (for now) in order to give the Nexus 5X a shot.
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agree 100% what you said in the long post. Our priorities and values are in line. But I am coming from a moto x dev

I'm having the same difficulty deciding as well. I think performance will be mostly equal as will battery. I never cared about a finger print scanner, and the updates will be not that far away from each other (i'm confident moto will have it by month's end, which might beat some peoples Nexus 5x/6p shipments). The biggest thing here for me will be the moto add ons like moto voice, turbopower charger and front speakers compared to the Nexus 5x's smaller yet preferred size and most likely better camera.
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unlike moto X 2014 on at&t (not getting 6.0) - which for me is a huge deal and causes me to distrust Motorola.
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Like you, I really lost respect for Moto
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OK first of all those are CARRIER decisions that Moto has nothing to do with. Which is why the are releasing it for the Pure Editions (which they control). Blaming moto isn't fair, blame your carriers.
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First the Nexus 5 was my favorite phone of all time. I still miss it. BUT it obviously had some shortcomings. Battery life wasn't one of it's strong points and even though 6.0 will be more efficient I'm going to be in the camp that if you were not happy with 18hrs/3hr SOT then you won't be happy with the 5X battery time is my guess. I'm really torn myself, I think I'm going to skip over this round and wait until the 820 SoC phones come out.
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Nnyan said:
OK first of all those are CARRIER decisions that Moto has nothing to do with. Which is why the are releasing it for the Pure Editions (which they control). Blaming moto isn't fair, blame your carriers.
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Why should I blame the carriers when I had the Pure? They were slow after 5.0 and that's a problem
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Alot of those Moto perks were likely determined/designed while Google still owned Moto. Now that they dont, I'd be very wary of them keeping it up down the line past a year. Of course, most of you will have a new phone by then anyways.

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