Motorola Drops Moto X to $400

Motorola Drops Moto X to $400 - Moto X General

I knew this was coming...http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/01/moto-x-400/

450$ for 32GB and Developed editions. Let's hope we get some more devs AND users jumping on the bandwagon at these prices.
One more link just for fun
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...9-32gb-and-developer-editions-dropped-to-449/
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Imagine if they had released it at this price. Moto X is a great phone but the early bad will, due to the initial price and spec non-issue, has probably hurt it's overall sales for good. Hope I'm wrong about that :fingers-crossed:

I think the pricing now is what should have been all along. Can't wait to see what they have next.
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Moto X 32GB @ $450 vs. Iphone 5s 32GB @ $750 or even Iphone 5c 32GB @ $650.
Take this along with Nexus 5 pricing and Moto G 16GB @ $200 and it's exceeding clear Google wants to drive very good to excellent mobile phones to commodity pricing and juice the off-contract market. If the illusion of subsidized pricing with 2 year contracts goes away in the US, the love of shinny jewel-like phones might just tarnish a bit (or significantly hurt profit margins).

I think it's awesome google are making great phones at affordable prices... But most go with contracts anyway... Cause it's cheaper up front and cause that's what people are just used too.
Personally I think if you buy an iPhone outright at 750 vs 450 for a Moto x.... You'd be a fool. Lol
Hopefully over time the brain washing that you have to have an iPhone will fade and people will wake up. They may have good hardware and be reliable software wise.. But it's apple. They can't sell apple computers because of their ridiculous limitations... Yet people flock like zombies to their phones... Makes no sense. Lol
In time they'll be where blackberry is in the food chain, I have no doubt.
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alpha-niner64 said:
That's pretty insulting. Zombies? iOS may be what it is, but had you said this back with the iphone 3g, then I'd agree. But we've come a long way since iOS3 and with a bit of JB-magic, you could customize iOS as much as Android. Granted, Android: it's far easier and safer. A lot of stuff on iOS is really user-friendly. It's only with the Moto X that I can decisively recommend Android over iOS to anyone not invested in the iOS ecosystem because what drew people to iOS back then, Google just achieved with the Moto X (the Android Market is still a work in progress compared to the App store). 5 years is a long time to get invested.
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You can't do /change even a fraction of what you can on an Android on an iPhone. Jailbroken or not. They are completely over priced too boot.
Again.... 750 for an iPhone vs 450 for a Moto x should be a no brainer ... But apple still has this magic power with so many that you HAVE to have an iPhone.... Or you're not cool. Lol
A used 4s can still cost you what a new Moto x costs.... And the 4s is just awful compared to the X.
But the zombies still will by the 4s. Lol
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alpha-niner64 said:
That's pretty insulting. Zombies? iOS may be what it is, but had you said this back with the iphone 3g, then I'd agree. But we've come a long way since iOS3 and with a bit of JB-magic, you could customize iOS as much as Android. Granted, Android: it's far easier and safer. A lot of stuff on iOS is really user-friendly. It's only with the Moto X that I can decisively recommend Android over iOS to anyone not invested in the iOS ecosystem because what drew people to iOS back then, Google just achieved with the Moto X (the Android Market is still a work in progress compared to the App store but 5 years is a long time since.
If only the Moto G was as small as the Moto X: I would sing Motorola's praises all day and night. Better battery life and at $200 unlocked? iphone 4 still sells at that price. Even the most spec-retardant brain can't ignore that the Moto G is just a better buy. Removable battery/MicroSD would've been gravy.
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Active Notification and Touchless Controls on top of the smoothest/longest-in-its-range Android experience ever is hard to ignore at any price. Nexus 5 owners have to constantly reassure themselves they bought their phone for the specs, but that's all they got going for them in between mid-day charging :laugh:
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My n5 gets nearly the same battery life as my moto x.
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kj2112 said:
A used 4s can still cost you what a new Moto x costs.... And the 4s is just awful compared to the X.
But the zombies still will by the 4s. Lol
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....
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I own all three: s4, n5 and moto x.
S4 is still the best IMHO:
-IR capability (once you have it can't live without)
-ext SD
-ext battery (internal batteries eventually lose capacity)
-better camera
-bigger screen
Now with that being said, I do like all three and the N5 and moto x have a better price point but there are concessions to get that price point.
I recommend all three depending on needs and likes.
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markwebb said:
I own all three: s4, n5 and moto x.
S4 is still the best IMHO:
-IR capability (once you have it can't live without)
-ext SD
-ext battery (internal batteries eventually lose capacity)
-better camera
-bigger screen
Now with that being said, I do like all three and the N5 and moto x have a better price point but there are concessions to get that price point.
I recommend all three depending on needs and likes.
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I didn't like the s4. The plastic and whole phone felt extremely cheap, battery life wasn't nearly as good as moto x, and camera was awful in anything other than daylight.
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malikadnanm said:
I didn't like the s4. The plastic and whole phone felt extremely cheap, battery life wasn't nearly as good as moto x, and camera was awful in anything other than daylight.
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That sounds like a user/software input issue rather than the hardware. It's on record the Galaxy S4 has the better performing camera(though IMO not by much), even on paper and by testimony so I know it's user error. It's not a secret that a lot of cameraphones just aren't good at low light conditions.

alpha-niner64 said:
...If only the Moto G was as small as the Moto X: I would sing Motorola's praises......
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With about one millimeter difference per dimension, I think it's safe to say they are the same side.
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kj2112 said:
I think it's awesome google are making great phones at affordable prices... But most go with contracts anyway... Cause it's cheaper up front and cause that's what people are just used too.
Personally I think if you buy an iPhone outright at 750 vs 450 for a Moto x.... You'd be a fool. Lol
Hopefully over time the brain washing that you have to have an iPhone will fade and people will wake up. They may have good hardware and be reliable software wise.. But it's apple. They can't sell apple computers because of their ridiculous limitations... Yet people flock like zombies to their phones... Makes no sense. Lol
In time they'll be where blackberry is in the food chain, I have no doubt.
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....
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You may be right about people going with contracts to get the low upfront price. However, people can do the math too, and when nice equipment hits the $200 to $400 price range out of contract vs. free to $200 upfront cost + higher monthly payments the old way of doing business doesn't jive. T-Mobile who started the whole unbundled thing here in the USA still advertises low upfront prices but at least they're more honest and show it as a 0% finance loan which can be paid off over a couple years. Of course if you're on Verizon or Sprint, there isn't much benefit to paying up front unless you need to be on those networks due to coverage, or not wanting to go on contract but with no discount, or you're nursing along a grandfathered unlimited data plan. I'd expect Verizon to be the last vendor to get on board with the new way of doing business and only after they experience customers fleeing for a better deal.
Personally not a Mac guy (although I was in the 1980's) but I'm not sure what limitations they have that would make their computers limited. If anything, the whole modern interface thing MS is forcing on people might be driving people there. I built a great W8.1 computer which is absolutely awesome once I neutered it back to behaving like W7 (but it's actually much better than W7).
The whole iPhone thing is going to be a tough nut to crack in the USA. It seems almost everyone has an iPhone where you're out in public (not such an exclusive club when you think about it). My kids still have feature phones and their high school friends and cousins don't ask them when they're getting a smartphone, they ask when they're getting an iPhone. My daughter has a friend with a hand-me-down Samsung GS3 which the girl refers to as BIG BERTHA. Even our local news covers an Apple iDevice announcement as a news event (free advertising). People on national TV shows (mostly news type shows) almost always refer to their devices as "iPhones or iPads" and talk about how they are going to "facetime" someone (unless it's one of the many shows where MS has paid for product placements). I was looking at something in a Verizon store over Xmas and overheard a couple getting new phones. The guy said, "maybe I'll try an Android this time." The sales agent (young female) said, "you don't want to do that." Seen several people with cracked screened iPhones at the stores forking over big bucks to get another one. Basically they sell themselves or it's a very easy discussion for a sales agent. I was part of the computer industry when "proprietary" became a dirt word, so it absolutely floors me that folks are buying into a very proprietary setup with iDevices.
I do think Motorola is heading in a great direction with the X and G. Did run into some parents buying a Moto X for their daughter at a store via Motomaker. The young girl had a very specific combination of colors she wanted, and that alone was driving the desire for the Moto X. They saw I had one and were delighted I thought it was such a great device beyond the colors. A very good sign.

alpha-niner64 said:
That sounds like a user/software input issue rather than the hardware. It's on record the Galaxy S4 has the better performing camera(though IMO not by much), even on paper and by testimony so I know it's user error. It's not a secret that a lot of cameraphones just aren't good at low light conditions.
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Actually I think it's documented that the s4 camera is terrible in any sort of low light. So not user error. Unless everyone that used it is doing it wrong.
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4.4.2 and fix the camera (much more needs to be done) and I'll come back. Amuses me to see the s4 camera bashed in a moto x forum though...

Restola said:
4.4.2 and fix the camera (much more needs to be done) and I'll come back. Amuses me to see the s4 camera bashed in a moto x forum though...
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How is it bashing when its the truth? I'd rather have a grainy lowlight picture that actually shows you something than one that's completely black. Obviously the s4 camera is better in light.
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Restola said:
4.4.2 and fix the camera (much more needs to be done) and I'll come back. Amuses me to see the s4 camera bashed in a moto x forum though...
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If 4.4.2 us what's holding you Back then why are you on the s4? I had an s4 and miss it but man the features the Moto x can get over them, the camera sucks,like bad. I loved the s4s camera
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Blitzpwnage said:
If 4.4.2 us what's holding you Back then why are you on the s4? I had an s4 and miss it but man the features the Moto x can get over them, the camera sucks,like bad. I loved the s4s camera
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I'm not on an S4. I was just responding to the s4 camera bashing when the moto x takes iffy photos (bi-polar is probably the right word) even in normal indoor lighting.
I believe it is still software. The ISO in the attached picture is 5000 (totally unnecessary for it to be that high).

Restola said:
I'm not on an S4. I was just responding to the s4 camera bashing when the moto x takes iffy photos (bi-polar is probably the right word) even in normal indoor lighting.
I believe it is still software. The ISO in the attached picture is 5000 (totally unnecessary for it to be that high).
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You're right! That's where fv-5 or another app come in. I like fv-5, all the settings right there in the screen... Don't have to go into menus.
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Still nothing like my $150 Sony camera.... But no phone will ever match even a cheap camera. Lol
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OPPO Find 5

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What do you guys think of the new Chinese phone that supports USA carriers?
You can view the specs here:
http://en.oppo.com/product/find5/
http://www.oppousa.com/
It's about the size of the Droid DNA, but better. I'm actually thinking of getting this. Doesn't have SD Card but has 16GB and 32GB Version! Great price, and a premium product.

Bad thing is......you have to buy it via western union and/or wire transfer. They do accept Paypal over $300. They sent me this:
For avoid credit card fraud,we don't accept payments for product 300$ or more by Paypal or by credit cards. payments for product 300$ or more must be paid by bank transfer or Western Union MoneyGram. For more information,please visit : http://www.fastcardtech.com/article-9-Payment+Methods.html
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Interesting phone! Looks sorta like a Optimus L9.

SovereignKnight said:
Interesting phone! Looks sorta like a Optimus L9.
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Yeah it does! But the renders of this makes the phone looks huge when in reality its about the size of the DNA. I can't wait till Next Wednesday when they talk about it at one of the Beijing events.

It indeed has an SD slot and MHL, and everything else you would need) http://opposj.zol.com.cn/163/1673_1620749.html
Remember-remember the 12th of December
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Also as far as I checked fastcardtech.com is a FRAUD. I would not recommend anyone to use them. It's better to wait for a decent US release and find a relative in Sales TAX Free state OR use some well known taobao middlemen.

looks good on the paper
Looks good on the paper. 1080p for a phone is an overkill if you ask me with today's battery technology. I bet this phone has major draws.

I would consider it if the power button were on the side, I almost never use two hands with my phone and this would annoy me to no end.
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The only thing which bothers me, as a previous Tab 7.7 owner, the lack of software support, I may even sacrifice some hardware stuff for better official or xda community support potential. As far as I see it now the DNA, a major brand product, is nowhere near the Nexus devices in all the development and ROM hacking fuss. Oppo is moving to the global market, thus the good software support is implied but yet to be confirmed.

Actually, the size of the OPPO Find 5 is nowhere near the gargantuan HTC DNA despite sporting the same size screen thanks to an edge-to-edge screen and minimal wasted space at the top and bottom:
HTC DNA: 141 x 70.5 x 9.7 mm (5.55 x 2.78 x 0.38 in)
Oppo Find 5: 129 x 65 x 6.9 mm (5.08 x 2.56 x 0.27 in) <---smaller than HTC One S
The key here is the middle number, at 65 mm wide, it will be VERY easy to do one handed operations. This is a huge HUGE attraction for me as I'm sick of all these phlabets/phlaptops that HTC, Samsung, LG, and others are producing. Increasing screen size is one thing, but the phones are getting so enormous that it becomes very uncomfortable to use. It's ridiculous.

BAD_BOY_KIEV said:
It indeed has an SD slot and MHL, and everything else you would need) http://opposj.zol.com.cn/163/1673_1620749.html
Remember-remember the 12th of December
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Also as far as I checked fastcardtech.com is a FRAUD. I would not recommend anyone to use them. It's better to wait for a decent US release and find a relative in Sales TAX Free state OR use some well known taobao middlemen.
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Yess!! The 12th of December!!! I'm excited for that. And thanks for clearing that up, I kind of figured but it's good to have a second opinion.
cocinci said:
Looks good on the paper. 1080p for a phone is an overkill if you ask me with today's battery technology. I bet this phone has major draws.
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2500 MaH on a IPS display....it's really on how much you use your phone, because IPS is good on battery consumption, I think.
dave_k605 said:
I would consider it if the power button were on the side, I almost never use two hands with my phone and this would annoy me to no end.
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Just rechecked photo's, and well I don't find it a big deal. I've used the HD2, LG G2x, and HTC Sensation so if I get this phone it wouldn't be a big change.
BAD_BOY_KIEV said:
The only thing which bothers me, as a previous Tab 7.7 owner, the lack of software support, I may even sacrifice some hardware stuff for better official or xda community support potential. As far as I see it now the DNA, a major brand product, is nowhere near the Nexus devices in all the development and ROM hacking fuss. Oppo is moving to the global market, thus the good software support is implied but yet to be confirmed.
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Yeah that's what I'm thinking. Since this phone is supporting US Carriers with a breeze, will there be XDA Dev willing to work on this phone? That would also be a plus when getting this pone.
boojay said:
Actually, the size of the OPPO Find 5 is nowhere near the gargantuan HTC DNA despite sporting the same size screen thanks to an edge-to-edge screen and minimal wasted space at the top and bottom:
HTC DNA: 141 x 70.5 x 9.7 mm (5.55 x 2.78 x 0.38 in)
Oppo Find 5: 129 x 65 x 6.9 mm (5.08 x 2.56 x 0.27 in) <---smaller than HTC One S
The key here is the middle number, at 65 mm wide, it will be VERY easy to do one handed operations. This is a huge HUGE attraction for me as I'm sick of all these phlabets/phlaptops that HTC, Samsung, LG, and others are producing. Increasing screen size is one thing, but the phones are getting so enormous that it becomes very uncomfortable to use. It's ridiculous.
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Whoaahh! Didn't know it was smaller than the OneS! But I knew it was about the size of the DNA. Thanks for doing the conversion!!
The thing I hate, and the LG G2x/O2x did this, was the hardware keys. Why so big? But your right, phones are getting bigger, and bigger is only good for people with big hands. Medium size hands like phones in the range of 4 - 4.7 inches. The DNA did it right by making it longer instead of wider, and I'm glad Oppo is understanding that. Hopefully the S4 and new upcoming phones get it. Keep the big phone size to the Note's.

BAD_BOY_KIEV said:
It indeed has an SD slot and MHL, and everything else you would need) http://opposj.zol.com.cn/163/1673_1620749.html
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These specs are for a different phone mate.. it clearly states that it refers to a 4.5 inch phone with 720p screen... The dimensions are still impressive to be sure but nowhere near to what a 5 inch would be if they were able to fit it in just 65mm of width. It would imply a total absence of bezel as in *nil*, I don't think such a tech exists yet, true edge to edge is a decade away I'm afraid. I'd be happy to be proved wrong though...
BTW same applies on the existence of micro SD slot, it probably doesn't have one, at least the company doesn't hint that anywhere (sadly microsd slots seem to go the way of the dodo)...
So to recap, "hold on your horses", it'd probably be a thinner slightly cheaper DNA and given that it is a chinaphone I don't think many would be convinced... it's a good offering to be sure but nothing groundbreaking... again I hope to be proved wrong, if I do I would be the first in line to buy this phone (hate phablet sizes, love big screens and big memories)...

I updated the OP. It does not have SD Card but has 16GB and 32GB version! I am thinking of getting this phone

best alternative to nexus 4(?

PontiacGTX said:
best alternative to nexus 4(?
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DEFIANTLY!! The best alternative!! But if you're on AT&T, sorry no LTE

Best? I wouldn't say that at all.
I'm sure from a development state, this device will be lacking heavily. And anything non pure Google.....goog luck with the manufactures keeping you up to date.
Sounds like a sweet device, but it'd still take my gs3 over this all day long.
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dave_k605 said:
Best? I wouldn't say that at all.
I'm sure from a development state, this device will be lacking heavily. And anything non pure Google.....goog luck with the manufactures keeping you up to date.
Sounds like a sweet device, but it'd still take my gs3 over this all day long.
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Well, well my friend, assuming is not good. If you go to oppo's forum they are very well up to date, and current than GS3. They are pure google with little customization to not run it down. Idk about Samsung but 4.2 on Oppo devices are coming in Mid Jan. ALSO I don't know about when a new version of android is coming about but when it does Oppo will surely have it out in 2-3 months tops.
So from a development state, Samsung lacks it heavily, and Samsung lacks pure google. Good luck waiting years on Samsung getting you updates that takes years to update

richie390 said:
Well, well my friend, assuming is not good. If you go to oppo's forum they are very well up to date, and current than GS3. They are pure google with little customization to not run it down. Idk about Samsung but 4.2 on Oppo devices are coming in Mid Jan. ALSO I don't know about when a new version of android is coming about but when it does Oppo will surely have it out in 2-3 months tops.
So from a development state, Samsung lacks it heavily, and Samsung lacks pure google. Good luck waiting years on Samsung getting you updates that takes years to update
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My Verizon galaxy s3 is on 4.2 cm.
I've never had a issue having lots of roms top choose from south any Samsung devices I've had.
I'm saying is I'm not sure the oppo week have much of a following here in the states, if it does it will never have the backing that my gs3 does.
You cannot deny that.
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dave_k605 said:
My Verizon galaxy s3 is on 4.2 cm.
I've never had a issue having lots of roms top choose from south any Samsung devices I've had.
I'm saying is I'm not sure the oppo week have much of a following here in the states, if it does it will never have the backing that my gs3 does.
You cannot deny that.
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This is actually the first Oppo device heading to the United States support T-Mobile, AT&T, and Simple Mobile. It won't get the over rated advertisement like the GS3, but it is definitely a better phone, in my opinion. Official Software updates, better camera, fast, premium product, NFC.
I have nothing against the GS3 besides the width of it, and the material of the phone is plastic. Otherwise its a great phone. But hopefully XDA will have some ROM support on this phone as its coming to the United States.

richie390 said:
This is actually the first Oppo device heading to the United States support T-Mobile, AT&T, and Simple Mobile. It won't get the over rated advertisement like the GS3, but it is definitely a better phone, in my opinion. Official Software updates, better camera, fast, premium product, NFC.
I have nothing against the GS3 besides the width of it, and the material of the phone is plastic. Otherwise its a great phone. But hopefully XDA will have some ROM support on this phone as its coming to the United States.
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Yes a nicer material would be nice, but we all seem to use cases made out of the same material to protect our investment.....so no need to waste extra money on finer materials to cover them up. Nice materials such as glass/aluminum are not add strong or resilient to damage.
I also am not bashing the oppo, seems like a nice phone and the more high end devices, we all win. I'm an android guy, I'm not band stuck, however I'm drawn to Samsung's...HTC is also nice, but on big red they haven't brought anything to the table I would rather have than my gs3. That being said if Verizon would have had the one x I'm not sure which way I would have gone......really nice phone!
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dave_k605 said:
Yes a nicer material would be nice, but we all seem to use cases made out of the same material to protect our investment.....so no need to waste extra money on finer materials to cover them up. Nice materials such as glass/aluminum are not add strong or resilient to damage.
I also am not bashing the oppo, seems like a nice phone and the more high end devices, we all win. I'm an android guy, I'm not band stuck, however I'm drawn to Samsung's...HTC is also nice, but on big red they haven't brought anything to the table I would rather have than my gs3. That being said if Verizon would have had the one x I'm not sure which way I would have gone......really nice phone!
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You made a good point about protecting the investment. But we're just gonna have to wait and see how this Chinese phone makes a impact on how the US will accept this
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[Comparison] Moto X vs Google Play devices?

I've been waiting for Moto X release for 2 months but the first reviews kind of disappointed me, especially about the camera. Do you think it is worth buying Moto X than that beasts with pure android and probably even better google support?
I am currently using Galaxy Nexus and hate it. It is sooooo slow and the battery life is awful.

I don't really care too much for direct updates since I always use xda ROMs, stock is pointless if you even signup here. Wait no, stock is boring.
Anyway the X doesn't even have 4.3 despite being with Google, I'm certain their relationship is not on the level people assume. Nexus > X=GPe maybe the order that denotes the reliability of updates. For sure we know ole Sammy is questionable, as for HTC anything is possible.
I'm not interested in the X's price to spec, nor the gpe's. With the dawn of S800 beasts coming about I would rather just wait for the G2 if you're a power user, but to each their own.
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Ace42 said:
I don't really care too much for direct updates since I always use xda ROMs, stock is pointless if you even signup here. Wait no, stock is boring.
Anyway the X doesn't even have 4.3 despite being with Google, I'm certain their relationship is not on the level people assume. Nexus > X=GPe maybe the order that denotes the reliability of updates. For sure we know ole Sammy is questionable, as for HTC anything is possible.
I'm not interested in the X's price to spec, nor the gpe's. With the dawn of S800 beasts coming about I would rather just wait for the G2 if you're a power user, but to each their own.
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The X's system is on another level when compared to other devices. The S800 phones have a fast core processor, but lack a dedicated language processor and lack a contextual processor. The way the X is set up, the Snapdragon doesn't really do the bulk of the lifting in the same way the other phones do, hence why it has no need for a S800 processor. I'd go as far as to say Motorola's chip design makes the brute method of throwing everything at one more powerful processor (that all the other phones employ), seem a bit outdated and archaic.

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The X's system is on another level when compared to other devices. The S800 phones have a fast core processor, but lack a dedicated language processor and lack a contextual processor. The way the X is set up, the Snapdragon doesn't really do the bulk of the lifting in the same way the other phones do, hence why it has no need for a S800 processor. I'd go as far as to say Motorola's chip design makes the brute method of throwing everything at one more powerful processor (that all the other phones employ), seem a bit outdated and archaic.
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Uh, the snapdragon does everything but gesture and voice recog. Its probably doing 95% of what you do on the device.
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Honestly the camera isn't THAT bad. The phone overall is a quality piece. Everything works well, and it's a very smooth experience.
Couple pics from Sea Life Park today:
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Honestly the camera is THAT bad. The phone overall is a quality piece. Everything works well, and it's a very smooth experience.
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Hold on lemme check... Yup my Samsung Solstice from 2009 takes better pictures.

ryude said:
Hold on lemme check... Yup my Samsung Solstice from 2009 takes better pictures.
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What's your point? Enjoy the solstice.
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My HTC incredible took great pics too, 3 years ago. Let's all share our old pics...oh wait that's dumb. Move on.
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My Moto X is smoother and snappier than my LG Optimus Pro (Snapdragon 600) and my S4. FYI, I do not use my phone for games.
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05GT said:
Honestly the camera isn't THAT bad. The phone overall is a quality piece. Everything works well, and it's a very smooth experience.
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the camera may not seem that bad to joe six pack but to folks that know photography and image reproduction those look horrible. you can't tell me that you don't see that purple monster all over those pics.

gammite said:
the camera may not seem that bad to joe six pack but to folks that know photography and image reproduction those look horrible. you can't tell me that you don't see that purple monster all over those pics.
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Pros that "know photography" don't use smart phones to take photos.
For the OP, buy whatever you want. If you want a "daily driver" thats good for one-handed use, the Moto X is a perfectly valid choice. If you want to compare e-peen for a few more weeks, get a GPe device.

thedosbox said:
Pros that "know photography" don't use smart phones to take photos.
For the OP, buy whatever you want. If you want a "daily driver" thats good for one-handed use, the Moto X is a perfectly valid choice. If you want to compare e-peen for a few more weeks, get a GPe device.
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I agree. a camera on my phone is low on the list near non-existent. i am patiently waiting for my 32 gig.
with that said it is still a crappy firmware for that camera.

thedosbox said:
Pros that "know photography" don't use smart phones to take photos.
For the OP, buy whatever you want. If you want a "daily driver" thats good for one-handed use, the Moto X is a perfectly valid choice. If you want to compare e-peen for a few more weeks, get a GPe device.
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I think the same things... But i don t have a mixed result with pics like you with my moto x... Only the s4 take better pics but my moto x is equal at my s3 n4 or iphone 5...
My wife say my moto is better than their iphone 5 for pics...
My moto x is made in china ( sold by rogers... )
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o2qc418 said:
I think the same things... But i don t have a mixed result with pics like you with my moto x... Only the s4 take better pics but my moto x is equal at my s3 n4 or iphone 5...
My wife say my moto is better than their iphone 5 for pics...
My moto x is made in china ( sold by rogers... )
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it is NOT better than the iPhone 5. Only the S4 can match/outdone the iPhone 5.
having said that, the X is still the best device to hold (physically). And as someone mentioned, there's some clever CPU usage optimization here! I have yet to see it slow down, as where the TouchWiz ROM on the S4 would crawl at unexpected moments.

thedosbox said:
Pros that "know photography" don't use smart phones to take photos.
For the OP, buy whatever you want. If you want a "daily driver" thats good for one-handed use, the Moto X is a perfectly valid choice. If you want to compare e-peen for a few more weeks, get a GPe device.
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Exactly. It's been said in a number of threads already that people are putting too much emphasis on the camera and labeling it "bad" as if they are going to use the camera 10 hours a day and professionally photograph weddings. Bad is a relative term. If you have an sgs4 or iphone, then yes, motoX is bad in comparison. But this can easily be corrected with a camera app update in due time that moto will release. Everything else about this phone is quite flawless in terms of day-to-day experience and usage. Isn't that the type of phone most people want?

gammite said:
the camera may not seem that bad to joe six pack but to folks that know photography and image reproduction those look horrible. you can't tell me that you don't see that purple monster all over those pics.
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What are you looking at?
Only real purple I see is the stuff on top of the turtles.
/facepalm at these people who still think their PHONE should be taking digital photography specialist photos.
Like someone else said, most photography "pros" already have plenty of other equipment.
Don't even get me started on the Lumia 1020, they gave into you camera obsessed people but the rest of the phone is nothing to go home about.
I have the One and I use it's camera on a normal basis and I see little to no difference between the photos I take and some of the Moto X's photos I see.

People will complain no matter what. And most of the complaints are coming from people that don't even own the phone.
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05GT said:
Honestly the camera isn't THAT bad. The phone overall is a quality piece. Everything works well, and it's a very smooth experience.
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I'm not really all up on photography but even I can tell that those pictures don't look right. I assume the Moto Maxx has the same camera problem?

I Am Marino said:
What are you looking at?
Only real purple I see is the stuff on top of the turtles.
/facepalm at these people who still think their PHONE should be taking digital photography specialist photos.
Like someone else said, most photography "pros" already have plenty of other equipment.
Don't even get me started on the Lumia 1020, they gave into you camera obsessed people but the rest of the phone is nothing to go home about.
I have the One and I use it's camera on a normal basis and I see little to no difference between the photos I take and some of the Moto X's photos I see.
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if you read a little further you would see that a camera is low on my list of options for a phone. with that said the pictures still do suck. and as you stated I don't see a reason to goto a 1020 from the 920 I already own. and I am also patiently waiting on my 32 gig moto x which will be my daily driver replacing my atrix 4g which actually takes decent pictures.
and if you can't see that sand, rocks and water are not supposed to have a purple hue I am not sure what to say about that.

To me it looks moss growing over a normally blue-ish pool bottom. The only thing I've read for moto x camera issues is dull color representation not incorrect random colors. Lots of confusion from self-proclaimed camera experts.

Pocketnow Moto X vs Nexus 5!

http://youtu.be/_NHYYbleY7c

Just for laughs i posted this in the Nexus 5 forum and some of those guys did not take to kindly

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Just for laughs i posted this in the Nexus 5 forum and some of those guys did not take to kindly
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Everyone seems to have a rabid desire to defend their purchase.

i actually bought a nexus 5...but am strongly debating returning it and going moto x...lets see what this video makes me think. thanks op.

StephenMilone said:
i actually bought a nexus 5...but am strongly debating returning it and going moto x...lets see what this video makes me think. thanks op.
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No problem! hit the thanks button lol ps I had decided before this video to return my nexus 5 and keep my moto X this just solidified my feelings

mentose457 said:
Everyone seems to have a rabid desire to defend their purchase.
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People don't want to think that they "wasted" their money. Their happiness/enjoyment of the device comes second

yawdapaah said:
People don't want to think that they "wasted" their money. Their happiness/enjoyment of the device comes second
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I wasted my money and bought an N5. I think im gonna refuse delivery though. I dont think I can live with a big phone again and I dont think I can live without active notifications.

Like the video...seems fair. Given the fact that 4.4 is coming our way, specs are relatively less important. X really shines

I'm thinking about buying a Nexus 5 to play with My ATT X will probably still be my daily driver but the locked bootloader just doesn't scratch that flashaholic itch my GNex did.
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mentose457 said:
I wasted my money and bought an N5. I think im gonna refuse delivery though. I dont think I can live with a big phone again and I dont think I can live without active notifications.
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Lol hope I don't get flamed for that wasted statement.
I'm fairly tired of my GNex's size. Anything bigger is a no go.

I have an unlocked boot and haven't flashed anything on "my precious" lol
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Nice comparison, thanks for the video link OP. Glad I decided on the X ( of course I didn't need the video to tell me that LOL).
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Glad you guys are liking it !
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yawdapaah said:
Lol hope I don't get flamed for that wasted statement.
I'm fairly tired of my GNex's size. Anything bigger is a no go.
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No, I agree with you. I did waste money on the N5.

Send it back bro your still within 30 days
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I have the Moto X on Verizon and bought the Nexus 5 and had to get T-Mobile on it. So my vote is skewed because Verizon is 10x better here. But I love both, I do miss the Moto X's notifications and camera flip when using the Nexus. However I like the Nexus' camera much better but it feels almost too big in my hand. Plus the Moto X getting 4.4 will make software comparisons pointless. So honestly right now I'm kinda leaning towards selling the Nexus and staying with the X. But I have 29 days left on my prepaid T-Mobile so we'll see as it goes

This thread just got shut down in the nexus 5 forums because a few zealots couldn't have a good discussion with the rest of the adults
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AndreaCristiano said:
This thread just got shut down in the nexus 5 forums because a few zealots couldn't have a good discussion with the rest of the adults
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I had a look at that thread. Some of those guys were pretty rabid.

Reposted from same thread in N5 forum-
Yeah I'm gonna have to agree with all these points here. I MUCH prefer the screen on the Moto X to the one on the N5. I get that colors may be more accurate on the N5 but I'm not a photographer and my phone isn't supposed to be a reference monitor. The Moto X's screen just pops and its black levels are ridiculous. It's absolutely gorgeous and it is very difficult to use the N5 next to the Moto X. Lets not forget about the fact that the amoled technology allows for active notifications which are hands down the best thing since sliced bread. When not comparing it directly to the Moto X's screen, the N5's is passable, but its bad black levels and poor viewing angles are somethings that will take me a while to get used to.
I also agree about the speed. Anybody who makes the claim that the X uses outdated tech has no clue. It has krait 300 cores which are the same ones that are in the S600 which was this years main flagship SoC. Now it's not an S800, but it is current tech and the way Moto designed it with its extra "contextual computing" cores makes it MORE advanced than basic S600s. The fact that its dual core setup runs circles around the quad core that's in the GS4 and HTC One speaks volumes about optimization vs. raw power. I'm not talking about BS benchmarks here, I am talking about actual use because that is what matters. Side by side with the N5 there is no noticeable speed difference and both phones are equally smooth and lag free. I will say this though, for gaming the N5 is an absolute beast. The X handles gaming well too with its adreno 320 only having to deal with a 720p screen, but man this N5 might be the ultimate gaming phone thus far (Note 3 is too big for my liking). I've hidden my navbar so I game on it full screen. NOVA3, MW4, and NFS:MW are friggin unreal on this thing. If gaming is your primary concern, the N5 is definitely the way to go.
Cameras are a wash for me because I don't take many pictures. They are both acceptable to me. Can't say which one is better because I don't know. I like the fact that the N5 has OIS, but mainly because it adds extra bragging rights. No clue if it actually helps or not.
The biggest thing for me between these two phones besides the screen is the feel. Where the N5 literally feels like a hollow store mockup to me, the X feels like a solid premium device. Its contours make it hands down the nicest feeling device in hand that I have ever used. The N5 at first felt very uncomfortable to hold but as I get used to it more and more I am starting to like the way it feels as well. I definitely like the way it feels in hand better than my old HTC One and GS4 Active, just not better than the Moto X. There is nothing that feels like a Moto X.
Just to clarify, I really do like the N5. It has been growing on me since I got it the other day. It's just hard for me to use it when I have a Moto X sitting right here too. Both are great devices, they both have their own merits, but for me the Moto X is still king. It's really the screen that kills it the most for me with the N5. If LG used a screen as nice as say the HTC One's, I might be singing a completely different tune here. I will definitely be using the N5 whenever I want to play a graphically intensive game though, because holy sh!t it handles them like a boss. You really can't go wrong with either phone, I think they are the two best phone currently available.
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Yes I don't understand the blatant childishness. If you can't discuss like an adult the people who are causing the issue should be dealt with not the thread being closed
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I had to get a nexus 5, and returned it after 8 hours

So here's the story.
Yesterday I dropped, my beloved, motox and broke the screen. So I scrambled on kijjiji to find a used one. I only managed to find 2,one guy was asking 260 and another guy was asking 340.
I decided to check my carrier to see if I was eligible for an upgrade. I was with an early upgrade fee (125), I thought this was great. So I clicked to search for a motox but Rogers doesn't sell it anymore. So I had to settle for a nexus 5 ($0 on 2 year renewal).
I've been playing with it for 2 hours and I already miss my motox, I can't wait to sell this thing and get the new motox (motox+1).
Pros of the nexus 5 over a motox:
Not much. I really have to struggle to put something here.
-Okay no carrier name in the notification shade.
-Timely updates.
-Grippy back.
-Lighter
Cons:
Everything.
-I miss touchless control (I miss being able to say 'OK Google now' from anywhere and it would respond)
-I miss touchless notifications
-I miss twist to launch camera (I didn't think I'd use this feature as much as I did). Its so handy to grab the phone and twist it and the camera is ready to shoot.
-I miss being able to press anywhere on the viewfinder to take a picture.
-camera controls are crap
-placement of power and volume buttons are to high up on the phone
Motox did so many things right
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I just had the same exact thing happen to me.
My wife dropped my Moto X and cracked the screen, i then bought a 32gb Nexus 5 from EBay and I don't like it !.
The Touchless controls and active notifications are the things I miss the most.
I find the camera also to suck on the Nexus 5.
So a friend yesterday sent me this article.
I can't post the link as I'm a new user so I will private message it to you.
If your Moto X is still under warranty and you used the moto maker, you can request RMA and send back to Motorola.
Motorola will let you recreate a new moto x for free !
Once you receive your new free replacement you are obligated to send back your broken moto x within 10 days otherwise they will charge full price for the new handset.
The Article has all the details.
If you have any questions, just hit me up !
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Wannabekula, thanks for article I responded to the private message.
The motox should have sold better than the nexus5.
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I went from nexus 5 to moto x and while I am using more and more of the unique features such as touch less control (driving) and the camera hand twist, I will disagree with you that the moto x has the better camera. Camera and screen are where the nexus 5 have the advantage. My wife still has her nexus 5 her pictures of the same things we shoot come out on top more often than not. Mostly because of the OIS. Color accuracy is better on the n5 as well. Don't get me wrong, the moto x has definitely grown on me and touch less controls are becoming a MUST. If the moto x+1 can fix those few gripes I'll definitely stay in the moto family. oh and moto x on average gets better battery life than my n5.
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Damn I thought Moto X had a great build quality! I am scared to buy it now!

biggiestuff said:
I went from nexus 5 to moto x and while I am using more and more of the unique features such as touch less control (driving) and the camera hand twist, I will disagree with you that the moto x has the better camera. Camera and screen are where the nexus 5 have the advantage. My wife still has her nexus 5 her pictures of the same things we shoot come out on top more often than not. Mostly because of the OIS. Color accuracy is better on the n5 as well. Don't get me wrong, the moto x has definitely grown on me and touch less controls are becoming a MUST. If the moto x+1 can fix those few gripes I'll definitely stay in the moto family. oh and moto x on average gets better battery life than my n5.
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I never implied the picture quality on the motox is better, I was simply saying the camera controls are better in the motox. For example if you want to flip to front camera the control is right there on the viewfinder I don't have to go into a menu to do it. Same applies for taking a video it's right there.
Motorola really made the motox functional. If they had priced it right, it would have sold like crazy.
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Damn I thought Moto X had a great build quality! I am scared to buy it now!
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It does have a great build. You won't be disappointed. Get it.
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moto x is the best phone i ever had to date. and im not looking to replace it because its so good

Jamolah said:
I never implied the picture quality on the motox is better, I was simply saying the camera controls are better in the motox. For example if you want to flip to front camera the control is right there on the viewfinder I don't have to go into a menu to do it. Same applies for taking a video it's right there.
Motorola really made the motox functional. If they had priced it right, it would have sold like crazy.
It does have a great build. You won't be disappointed. Get it.
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The camera part was more directed to the person who said the nexus 5 camera sucks. I do like most of the motox cameras features. I like that you don't pinch to zoom, you just swipe up or down and you can do burst mode by just holding down on the screen.
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After only only 8 hours with the nexus5 I've decided to return it. I can't deal with its shortcomings. Also it's got issues when streaming music over bluetooth, a lot of crackling, seems to be a common problem.
I'd rather have a broken (screen) motox than a new nexus5.
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I have the Nexus 5 and I love it. I upgraded from Galaxy S3 and if the Moto X had launched in the UK before the N5 then I may have bought it. I say *may* because the screen is the same resolution as my old phone plus it was smaller. And the outdated processor did not impress me either.
Although I don't know how much I would actually use it I am pretty jealous of the 'always listening' feature of the Moto X though and I'm strongly considering getting the X+1, so long as Moto don't pull the same stunt they did with the X; 'Let's release it in the US but then wait six months before getting it to any other country'.
If they pull that again then it's highly likely I will be tempted by the Nexus 6 or Android Silver line (whichever actually happens) which, if history serves as a guide, will come out towards the end of the year.
Which would be a shame because I wouldn't mind swapping my Snapdragon 800/1080p/2GB RAM/32GB storage phone for one of the same specification soon - but there's no way I would do that next year, when Snapdragon 801 will have been superceded by 805, and pretty much every flagship is going to have 3GB RAM and QHD display by that time. That would just stick in my craw a bit too much.

setspeed said:
I have the Nexus 5 and I love it. I upgraded from Galaxy S3 and if the Moto X had launched in the UK before the N5 then I may have bought it. I say *may* because the screen is the same resolution as my old phone plus it was smaller. And the outdated processor did not impress me either.
Although I don't know how much I would actually use it I am pretty jealous of the 'always listening' feature of the Moto X though and I'm strongly considering getting the X+1, so long as Moto don't pull the same stunt they did with the X; 'Let's release it in the US but then wait six months before getting it to any other country'.
If they pull that again then it's highly likely I will be tempted by the Nexus 6 or Android Silver line (whichever actually happens) which, if history serves as a guide, will come out towards the end of the year.
Which would be a shame because I wouldn't mind swapping my Snapdragon 800/1080p/2GB RAM/32GB storage phone for one of the same specification soon - but there's no way I would do that next year, when Snapdragon 801 will have been superceded by 805, and pretty much every flagship is going to have 3GB RAM and QHD display by that time. That would just stick in my craw a bit too much.
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If higher numbers specs that much, you really need to follow it...
... but, for everyone who had read about it, knows that its not just higher numbers, not even the "outdate" (just because its a dual-core). Simply enough, architecture, the Android necessarily need quad or octa? 3gb of ram? 2k?
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setspeed said:
I have the Nexus 5 and I love it. I upgraded from Galaxy S3 and if the Moto X had launched in the UK before the N5 then I may have bought it. I say *may* because the screen is the same resolution as my old phone plus it was smaller. And the outdated processor did not impress me either.
Although I don't know how much I would actually use it I am pretty jealous of the 'always listening' feature of the Moto X though and I'm strongly considering getting the X+1, so long as Moto don't pull the same stunt they did with the X; 'Let's release it in the US but then wait six months before getting it to any other country'.
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Setspeed Trust me man, it's not about the number of processor or anything if the hardware is optimised to the software specs mean nothing. Use the motox and you'll see what I mean.
Motorola did make a few mistakes marketing this phone though. Not selling world wide on initial release, pricing too high and not marketing enough. Because the motox offers all the benefits of vanilla android with the added features of touchless control and active display.
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Had an N5 from launch to replace my n4 from launch (and other nexus beforehand). Both are great, beautiful phones. Came to the moto x for the touchless features and the essentially stock 4.4.2. I love it. It is beautifully designed, maybe a little underpowered, but very well executed. The x8 chip set is excellent, but could probably do better with a slight improvement in the main cores. I've had a few issues, some regular force closes, but nothing that takes the shine off.
Long story short? I loved my n5... I sold it only because I love the features that moto x has... I didn't expect to buy a feature smartphone, but it's a freak in the smartphone category... Long live the moto x (+1?)
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Yeah I'm aware that the user experience is great on Moto devices - a friend just bought the Moto G and it's unbelievably good for the price. Unfortunately the X was too little too late by the time it came to the UK.
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We'll see if Motorola learned their lesson with the release of the motox+1. Because if they market well, release world wide and price it aggressive the new phone will sell like hotcakes.
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Jamolah said:
Setspeed Trust me man, it's not about the number of processor or anything if the hardware is optimised to the software specs mean nothing. Use the motox and you'll see what I mean.
Motorola did make a few mistakes marketing this phone though. Not selling world wide on initial release, pricing too high and not marketing enough. Because the motox offers all the benefits of vanilla android with the added features of touchless control and active display.
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I don't know when people will understand that really. I mean look at the sales, all the high specified phones are selling like hotcakes, and the Moto X, well nowhere near. God knows what people like in a highly spec'ed phone which runs like crap. The three devices I had were S4, Note 2, S2, and other than the S2 all of them are overpriced sh!t. Seriously. People call me crazy that I am thinking about getting the Moto X after owning the S4
It's like they are buying a computer, higher you go, more performance you get, like they will play Watch Dogs on it. However I utterly hate iPhone and iOS but there's some point why that bloody thing sells well.

devilsdouble said:
I don't know when people will understand that really. I mean look at the sales, all the high specified phones are selling like hotcakes, and the Moto X, well nowhere near. God knows what people like in a highly spec'ed phone which runs like crap. The three devices I had were S4, Note 2, S2, and other than the S2 all of them are overpriced sh!t. Seriously. People call me crazy that I am thinking about getting the Moto X after owning the S4
It's like they are buying a computer, higher you go, more performance you get, like they will play Watch Dogs on it. However I utterly hate iPhone and iOS but there's some point why that bloody thing sells well.
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I see what you're saying when it comes to Samsung, but not the Nexus - it performs better than any other Android phone because it's the highest specced stock software phone. I guarantee you that it's quicker and smoother than the Moto X, because of better hardware. If I could get the always listening touchless controls on my N5 then I wouldn't even be hanging around this forum sniffing about for X+1 news! But I can't, so here I am :laugh:

Jamolah said:
After only only 8 hours with the nexus5 I've decided to return it. I can't deal with its shortcomings. Also it's got issues when streaming music over bluetooth, a lot of crackling, seems to be a common problem.
I'd rather have a broken (screen) motox than a new nexus5.
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Good decision my man!
You've just saved yourself from dealing with a load of issues by returning the N5!
I've come from the N5 to my Moto X and haven't looked back seriously.
I had so many issues with the N5 that I got Google to send me 11 replacements (YES ELEVEN REPLACEMENTS!!!) and in the end Google decided it wasn't the phone for me and gave me a full refund.
My issues experienced:
-Extremely poor call quality where the person on the other end can hardly hear you and you always have to shout to be heard
-Noise cancellation broken/faulty (looks like a hardware issue)
-Poor build quality as I kept getting dead pixels on 3 of the handsets
-Speaker volume very very low compared to the Moto X
-SIM card tray never used to sit flush with the body on quite a few of the models
-Bluetooth streaming issues
The main issue for me was the fact that I couldn't make phone calls properly. I loved the vanilla experience but I still get that with my Moto X.

Jamolah said:
Pros of the nexus 5 over a motox:
-Lighter
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The Moto X is the same weight as the N5 although the Moto X feels slightly chunkier in the hand.

Wutang200 said:
Good decision my man!
You've just saved yourself from dealing with a load of issues by returning the N5!
I've come from the N5 to my Moto X and haven't looked back seriously.
I had so many issues with the N5 that I got Google to send me 11 replacements (YES ELEVEN REPLACEMENTS!!!) and in the end Google decided it wasn't the phone for me and gave me a full refund.
My issues experienced:
-Extremely poor call quality where the person on the other end can hardly hear you and you always have to shout to be heard
-Noise cancellation broken/faulty (looks like a hardware issue)
-Poor build quality as I kept getting dead pixels on 3 of the handsets
-Speaker volume very very low compared to the Moto X
-SIM card tray never used to sit flush with the body on quite a few of the models
-Bluetooth streaming issues
The main issue for me was the fact that I couldn't make phone calls properly. I loved the vanilla experience but I still get that with my Moto X.
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Wow that's got to be some kind of record, for a person to receive ELEVEN faulty handsets in a row...
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This is a great phone....

I was an iPhone user originally....from the first one in 2007 to the iPhone 4 in 2010. Then I switched and never looked back. Since 2010 I've owned an HTC Inspire, Galaxy S2, HTC One M7, and as of April 1st...The Moto X2.
One thing all those Androids had in common...was that within about a month of owning them I would always root and flash a stock-ish ROM of some sort...usually CM. I've always gazed with too tight of a budget at the Nexus phones...but really $100-$200 is what I'm willing to invest so contract phones have been my go to.
Wasn't eligible for the original moto x but jumped on the chance to pick this one up. I don't even have the desire to root anymore...and the fact that I can't with an At&t phone anyway right now..if ever, makes it even easier.
I'm honestly not sure how I ever got thru life up to this point without Active Display. It's stock android...but a little bit better.

If this phone had a good camera and above average battery life, the only thing that could beat it is its successor. Alas it has crappy battery life and the camera is terrible.

barondebxl said:
If this phone had a good camera and above average battery life, the only thing that could beat it is its successor. Alas it has crappy battery life and the camera is terrible.
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I can only make the comparison to what I had before the Moto X which was the HTC M7...and the camera and battery life are both an improvement for me...so I'm happy.

Changed from the G3 to this and have been very VERY happy. G3 was a POS from ground up in my opinion. First touchscreen smartphone was an iPhone 3G and then got a OG Droid....never looked back. I as well as the OP almost have no need or desire to even root this. Sure there are a few things like exposed I'd like but don't really need them. Dark UI would be great but don't really need it either. Just...happy. Last Moto phone I had was pretty google and mine was made by Lenovo since its a carrier one and I got mine the first part of April too. VZW Moto X 2nd gen using Straight Talk VZW. Perfect combo for me.
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barondebxl said:
If this phone had a good camera and above average battery life, the only thing that could beat it is its successor. Alas it has crappy battery life and the camera is terrible.
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this camera takes stunning pictures in great light. it is in poor lighting conditions where it sucks. i took some pictures last weekend in broad daylight and some friends of mine were convinced i used my dslr.
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The Moto X 2014 is the 5th Android phone I've owned. (HTC Desire, LG Optimus G, HTC one S, Nexus 5). The camera on this phone is the best camera I've had on an Android phone yet. It certainly isn't the best camera available of any available smart phone, but I think it might be a bit of a stretch to say that it's "terrible". I find that I am using the camera much more than I ever have on any of my previous phones. Just my two cents, for whatever that's worth

I agree the camera is not terrible on the contrary it takes superb shots in daylight and it's getting better with 5.1 in dark conditions

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but really $100-$200 is what I'm willing to invest so contract phones have been my go to.
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I take it you have an older UDP line?
On the newer Mobile Share plans with 10GB or more of data, it is typically a better deal to go with a full retail phone like the N6 because of the $25/mo line access discount for month-to-month lines.
$25/mo discount is $600 savings over 24 months. Then when you figure in the savings in the communications tax as well as that it reduces the base that AT&T calculates the federal universal service charge on, the savings easily comes to $650, which is the price of a 32GB N6 before sales tax. So you end up getting the N6 for only the price of the sales tax on $650 when you factor in the savings from the $25/mo line access discount over the course of 24 months. Where I live that would mean you could get an N6 for $40.
Compare that to a contract phone where you pay the subsidized price, the sales tax on the subsidized price (except in CA and MA where you pay the sales tax on the full retail price) and the upgrade fee. An N6 on contract would be $250 + $40 upgrade fee + sales tax = $305.
Again, if you have a UDP line, then this doesn't apply to you. But for those on the Mobile Share plans with 10GB or more of data, staying off contract is typically the way to go.

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I take it you have an older UDP line?
On the newer Mobile Share plans with 10GB or more of data, it is typically a better deal to go with a full retail phone like the N6 because of the $25/mo line access discount for month-to-month lines.
$25/mo discount is $600 savings over 24 months. Then when you figure in the savings in the communications tax as well as that it reduces the base that AT&T calculates the federal universal service charge on, the savings easily comes to $650, which is the price of a 32GB N6 before sales tax. So you end up getting the N6 for only the price of the sales tax on $650 when you factor in the savings from the $25/mo line access discount over the course of 24 months. Where I live that would mean you could get an N6 for $40.
Compare that to a contract phone where you pay the subsidized price, the sales tax on the subsidized price (except in CA and MA where you pay the sales tax on the full retail price) and the upgrade fee. An N6 on contract would be $250 + $40 upgrade fee + sales tax = $305.
Again, if you have a UDP line, then this doesn't apply to you. But for those on the Mobile Share plans with 10GB or more of data, staying off contract is typically the way to go.
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You are correct...I have an older family plan that is no longer offered...as well as unlimited data on all three lines. I was initially pumped that At&t was going to offer the N6 in-store....until the thing came out and I saw how big it was. To me personally...the moto x2 is the size the N6 should have been. I held and played with both extensively before making my decision and im glad I went the moto x2....the N6 is just too big for my tastes.

This is a great phone. I also have the S6, but I'm used to having no carrier bloat. The camera is more than capable when the lighting is good...it is only terrible in low light settings.
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I kick my self everyday for not waiting for the Nexus 6 on VZW. Buying this phone was one of the worst decisions ive ever made. Good thing I only paid $80 for it

Yeah, for me it is an outstanding phone. The best android phone I've had for sure. I love the quality of the materials and I love the stock android.
The camera is OK for me. I'm not a professional photographer and I like overall the quality of the pictures.
For me as I said, I like the aesthetics of the phone and the materials (i have the one with the black front and black back rubber), simply beautiful.

Bottom pic is the S6 scaled down to 12mp. I got the S6 for the camera, but the X feels better in hand and more fluid. Hope Lenova helps improve the camera software on the next X
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badams1 said:
To me personally...the moto x2 is the size the N6 should have been. I held and played with both extensively before making my decision and im glad I went the moto x2....the N6 is just too big for my tastes.
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The Moto Maxx XT1225 works on AT&T and it is basically the Droid Turbo with an unlockable bootloader. A bit too thick and heavy for me though. Great camera and battery though!
Many say this was another contender for the Nexus 6 but I don't think so. I think it was always going to be the Droid Turbo a Verizon exclusive in the US.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1853481-Moto-Maxx-(XT1225)-my-quot-Nexus-6-quot-)

badams1 said:
One thing all those Androids had in common...was that within about a month of owning them I would always root and flash a stock-ish ROM of some sort...usually CM. I've always gazed with too tight of a budget at the Nexus phones...but really $100-$200 is what I'm willing to invest so contract phones have been my go to.
I'm honestly not sure how I ever got thru life up to this point without Active Display. It's stock android...but a little bit better.
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Just wait until you get the itch to try out CM on the X. Honestly, I'm preferring it to the stock experience at this point. Ambient display > moto display (personal preference) and crpalmer has implemented almost all the stock features (double twist for camera and the IR sensors to wake the device are almost ready, wave to silence call has been implemented too) besides the always on listening at this point.
It's a solid device and the battery has been more than good for me after my tweaking and usage (hit 5 hours SoT on several occasions over a 16 hour day), but the low light camera leaves much to be desired. I'm seriously on the fence about picking up an S6 in the coming days

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Just wait until you get the itch to try out CM on the X. Honestly, I'm preferring it to the stock experience at this point. Ambient display > moto display (personal preference) and crpalmer has implemented almost all the stock features (double twist for camera and the IR sensors to wake the device are almost ready, wave to silence call has been implemented too) besides the always on listening at this point.
It's a solid device and the battery has been more than good for me after my tweaking and usage (hit 5 hours SoT on several occasions over a 16 hour day), but the low light camera leaves much to be desired. I'm seriously on the fence about picking up an S6 in the coming days
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I considered the GS6 as it was coming out around the time of my upgrade. However...from what I have read, Samsung using their own SOC is going to make it difficult for AOSP or CM based ROMs to be made...

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I considered the GS6 as it was coming out around the time of my upgrade. However...from what I have read, Samsung using their own SOC is going to make it difficult for AOSP or CM based ROMs to be made...
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This is likely to be true. However, traditionally the exynos SoC has seen some development in the past and it's not entirely for certain that the phone will see zero development. I think it will help that the S6 is going to be extremely popular, paired with the fact that every device variant will be using the same processor -- there won't be a qualcomm US version and an exynos international version -- they'll all be exynos. Also, the community itself plays a large part in the development. Even though the x is basically a smaller Nexus 6, development for this device is extremely light and basically we have to choose from either CM or... CM

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Samsung using their own SOC is going to make it difficult for AOSP or CM based ROMs to be made...
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Not to mention root and unlock.

S6 already has root for int'l and Tmobile
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I don't think this is a great phone. Horrendous battery, terrible camera and slow and laggy to use (although I'm hoping this will be fixed with android 5.1). Overall I think the phone is OK.

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