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Moto X vs other high end devices.

After seeing how well the Moto X performs, I have to wonder is there any real point in constantly making phones that use faster chips such as the snapdragon 600 or 800 when Motorola proves that they can do the same on a dual core S4? Or has the spec race always been pointless and only caters to the desire of the consumer to have the "best." I own both the Moto X and a Google edition HTC One, and despite how much "higher end" the One is, I feel like the Moto X is the better device. Will other manufacturers start doing what Motorola is doing with the deep software-hardware integration, or will they continue to rely on the most cutting edge hardware?
Current Devices: Moto X, HTC One Google Edition, Oppo Find 5

All Moto did was out together an almost bare bones stock phone and focus on what really matters and has high impact for most people. Granted, the motoX may not be for everyone, depending on whether they prefer a larger screen or perform heavier tasks that may be better handled with a quadcore cpu. But for the majority, motoX is about as clean as it gets to being pure stock Android without bloaty oem launchers or UI tweaks. It comes with just a few custom moto apps that people will actually use more than once compared to the gimmicky features that come. Things like gif creators or nfc bump file transfers are of no use to me. But something like active notifications and moto assist is something going I and most others can use everyday.
So to answer your question, spec race isn't over yet, but I think there will be rush from Samsung and HTC to try to close the gap and duplicate the moto apps. There definitely will be an increased emphasis on user experience from here on out as consumers start to realize that cutting edge specs doesn't always translate to best experience.

Psilocin said:
All Moto did was out together an almost bare bones stock phone and focus on what really matters and has high impact for most people. Granted, the motoX may not be for everyone, depending on whether they prefer a larger screen or perform heavier tasks that may be better handled with a quadcore cpu. But for the majority, motoX is about as clean as it gets to being pure stock Android without bloaty oem launchers or UI tweaks. It comes with just a few custom moto apps that people will actually use more than once compared to the gimmicky features that come. Things like gif creators or nfc bump file transfers are of no use to me. But something like active notifications and moto assist is something going I and most others can use everyday.
So to answer your question, spec race isn't over yet, but I think there will be rush from Samsung and HTC to try to close the gap and duplicate the moto apps. There definitely will be an increased emphasis on user experience from here on out as consumers start to realize that cutting edge specs doesn't always translate to best experience.
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Truth be told the Moto X isn’t stock, it just has the stock UI on top of a relatively standard Motorola software build, but it does have a heck of a lot less of the operator preload crapware that normally shows up on Android phones sold with a subsidy these days.
http://anandtech.com/show/7235/moto-x-review/3

Strike9172 said:
After seeing how well the Moto X performs, I have to wonder is there any real point in constantly making phones that use faster chips such as the snapdragon 600 or 800 when Motorola proves that they can do the same on a dual core S4? Or has the spec race always been pointless and only caters to the desire of the consumer to have the "best." I own both the Moto X and a Google edition HTC One, and despite how much "higher end" the One is, I feel like the Moto X is the better device. Will other manufacturers start doing what Motorola is doing with the deep software-hardware integration, or will they continue to rely on the most cutting edge hardware?
Current Devices: Moto X, HTC One Google Edition, Oppo Find 5
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this is the same conversation that happened with computers and clock speed/cores a few years ago. more cores and higher clock speeds come to a point of diminishing returns and optimization is necessary to grow performance at that point.

This won't stop the spec race.
When OEMs realize price is what will win the "war", not specs, we'll finally get somewhere.

Maybe its just me, but I dont get what people are doing with their phones that they need such high spec'ed devices. When I look at a device I look for snapiness, response, and overall usability. Most phones achieve this by optimizing their custom software on the device. Its not about the specs people, its about how you make the software to interact with the device specs. I love my Moto X, as a matter of fact, I took back my S4 Active for it. S4 active is so full of bloatware, it reminds me of my mothers computer everytie she asks me to fix it, it has at least 6-7 toolbars in IE, and you can barely search anything. Some options are great on devices like the S4, but when you stick to simplicity, things work way better. My Moto X has been invaluable to me so far in terms of battery life, and touchless controls. Yes I use them, while driving. Convenient and safe for me and my family.
Just my 2 cents...

Coming from the S4 Active and the HTC One before that I can honestly say that this is the best Android phone I've ever used. It is every bit as fast as those two, if not faster, but even smoother with absolutely zero lag. Couple the amazing performance with the perfect physical design and you've got the Android phone that all others aspired to be but fell short. Screw the spec war, what Motorola did with this phone is nothing short of outstanding. I feel like this is the smart phone I've always wanted. Now if only I can get this crappy battery life figured out...
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Even if u put 8 cores (which they're doing) on a touchwiz phone, its still gonna be laggy in some areas! I had the One before this phone and that was much better but still had some hiccups! To my surprise, I haven't experienced any hiccups on the X yet but obviously having stock android helps a lot! Not a lot of the ram is being used up and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this phone use Motorola's new x8 core structure which is really awesome!
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I think it compares to 'higher' end devices just fine. People are knocking it saying it's last year's specs but there was an article I read about the whole S4 pro/600 and there was a guy who is very knowledgeable when it comes to CPU's and he even said he is confused as to what makes a 600 a 600 and what makes a pro a pro. He said they are basically exactly the same from an architecture stand point. He even stated he thinks what makes a 600 a 600 and a pro a pro is the clock speed. I have the HTC One, the X and the Oppo Find 5. I'm pleasantly surprised how well the X runs. This phone is no slouch and I wouldn't consider it a mid range device. (I did consider it one before I owned one) don't get me wrong I still love my HTC one, I also love my find 5 but my X is my new love so she has been getting all the attention lately. Hehe
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I recently sold my HTC one, and plan on returning my droid maxx once the moto x arrives. I love the way the x feels in hand. I'm going to miss the battery on the max though.
I think the processor is underrated and think motorola put out a great lone of phones this year and it will only lead to better phones in the future
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The only time I could see this phone falling behind is if apps begin to fully utilize four cores, but to be honest, I'd take 2 high power cores over 4 low power cores any day. Sadly, the cores in the X aren't anything over the top and probably wouldn't out perform two of the cores from a snapdragon 800 (2.3ghz). I know on my desktop I have an AMD Athlon 64x4 @2.8ghz that performs about the same as my i5 2450m @2.5ghz (turbo and almost always at 3.1ghz). As soon as I get an application that can't utilize all 4 cores the performance is nearly halved when compared to the i5 and makes it seem like a dog. As I said though, it's no suprise that this phone performs as good or even better than "more powerful" devices. I mean, I just can't see flipping through home pages and what not requiring anything more than a decent dual core processor. Optimization is key, and throwing more cores at it won't help.

I suppose my Nexus 4 is no longer a high-end phone. But still, it is not that bad yet after having MOTO X, I hardly touch my N4 anymore for two major reasons: touchless control and the compact size of MOTO. The screen size is the same, but the phone size ain't. Additionally, N4, to me at least, has a wired headphone jack. MOTO X has it in the middle, much easier to hold.
And of course, the dimple
The only super major huge disappointment is the MOTO X's camera. Oh my goodness, magic tweak twice to wake up this crappy camera?
That said, X is more than enough to impress average consumers. It is definitely not for geeks and spec-lovers

I have a Xperia S and I am tempted to buy a moot x what do you think it's good idea? Does it worth it? I know that the camera of the MotoX takes "funeral mode" photos compared to the Xperia S
I saw that the performance it's great but I still don't know
Help
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I get no lag with any of my apps with the dual cores, even the store models and I noticed the other store models did struggle at times. Reminds me of when the HTC Vivid came out, as one of the first dual core phones....no one could use it to the full potential, so I think the Quad Cores should be better utilized in the next generation of phones, but Moto X has more than enough power right now.

Simer03 said:
Even if u put 8 cores (which they're doing) on a touchwiz phone, its still gonna be laggy in some areas! I had the One before this phone and that was much better but still had some hiccups! To my surprise, I haven't experienced any hiccups on the X yet but obviously having stock android helps a lot! Not a lot of the ram is being used up and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this phone use Motorola's new x8 core structure which is really awesome!
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No need to lie, the HTC One does hiccup at all.. With that said, I'm considering going to the X simply because of battery life. I just feel like I will miss the aluminum, front speakers and camera.

I got the Moto X and love it. Everything runs smooth and fliud all throughout the system and apps. I'm selling my HTC One and GE S4 but am getting a Dev edition One. I really hope Google and Motorola keep making phones like this and this is just the beginning.

Maxx vs LG G2

I have the maxx but the camera is horrid. I keep checking the back to see if the plastic is off the camera. Anyone play with both phones? Is the g2 UI at least bearable and how do the battery usage compare?

Fstall303 said:
I have the maxx but the camera is horrid. I keep checking the back to see if the plastic is off the camera. Anyone play with both phones? Is the g2 UI at least bearable and how do the battery usage compare?
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Haven't make a purchase but I am also stuck deciding between the 2. What is important to me is root access and tethering, camera less so. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems from reading the Ultra/Maxx forums that root could permanently disappear with the next OTA. Or I could get the Maxx developer edition, probably have permanent root (am I wrong here also) and perpetuate my unlimited data plan.
Just seems like there is a lot more developer activity happening for the G2. Also battery life appears comparable to the Maxx.

docslate said:
Haven't make a purchase but I am also stuck deciding between the 2. What is important to me is root access and tethering, camera less so. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems from reading the Ultra/Maxx forums that root could permanently disappear with the next OTA. Or I could get the Maxx developer edition, probably have permanent root (am I wrong here also) and perpetuate my unlimited data plan.
Just seems like there is a lot more developer activity happening for the G2. Also battery life appears comparable to the Maxx.
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FYI Hashcode just released safestrap for MotoX (and so very likely the Maxx). Should be able to use that to grab updates/updated roms.

I own both phones and the G2 is better then the Maxx in every aspect. Hardware (processor, audio chip set, screen, ir blaster), UI customization, camera, development, except for build quality. The Maxx has Kevlar backing and a louder speaker vs shiny plastic and I think mono speaker. You could say better battery and radio but honestly it's about same strangely.
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I personally base my decision off the software of each phone. I had an s4 and while it was good I enjoy my Maxx leaps and bounds more than I did my s4. The s4 and g2 are different but they are both skinned versions of Android where the Maxx is mostly stock. Also the active notifications and the touchless control are features I've actually used in the short time I've had it, yet I never used the s4's features. Finally, my maxx has yet to lag at all due to the fact that stock android runs smoother than most skinned versions. Just my 2 cents

I really wish that people would relax about the specs of phones these days. The quad cores are so freaking overkill on a phone it's silly. The Maxx is totally optimized as a phone and runs as smoothly as ant phone on the market. And if you're counting cores, the maxx has 8. By my count, that's double the G2. The 1080 vs 720 screen? Are you kidding me? It's a 5 inch screen! The human eye cant tell, people. it's a joke!
The maxx is a better phone. It's bare-bones android and has some incredibly cool, useful stuff. Knock on? big woop. give me touchless control and active notifications over that.
It's pissing in the wind, I know. But all this spec war nonsense is nothing but that. Nonsense.

bisbers said:
FYI Hashcode just released safestrap for MotoX (and so very likely the Maxx). Should be able to use that to grab updates/updated roms.
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Where is SafeStrap for the MotoX.?
Please post a link, my donation is awaiting..lol
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http://rootzwiki.com/topic/104161-recovery-locked-safestrap-recovery-v36x/
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NWKENT said:
Where is SafeStrap for the MotoX.?
Please post a link, my donation is awaiting..lol
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redddog said:
I really wish that people would relax about the specs of phones these days. The quad cores are so freaking overkill on a phone it's silly. The Maxx is totally optimized as a phone and runs as smoothly as ant phone on the market. And if you're counting cores, the maxx has 8. By my count, that's double the G2. The 1080 vs 720 screen? Are you kidding me? It's a 5 inch screen! The human eye cant tell, people. it's a joke!
The maxx is a better phone. It's bare-bones android and has some incredibly cool, useful stuff. Knock on? big woop. give me touchless control and active notifications over that.
It's pissing in the wind, I know. But all this spec war nonsense is nothing but that. Nonsense.
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Thank you for this. It's refreshing to see someone else with a bit of sense. While I will say the G2 has a nice camera, everything else about it seems cheap to me. I hate shiney plastic. Another reason I sold my S4, Note 2, S3 and the other phones I've used in the past several months.
I love Motorola's build quality. Even the One has had some quality control issues (seams not lining up).
Anyway, still befuddled as to why people praise other devices and how much better they are in a Droid forum.... Opinions are fine, but at least put some facts in or anything more than "it's just better" because I said so.
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if its about the camera quality..then I would say G2 is better than Maxxx....but if it is Motorola vs LG then I will say Motorola is far much better than LG...because the build of Motorola is very much impressive as comparable to LG

Being that I finally got my maxx and have played with the G2 bunch of times.. We have a g2 on display at our store now.. I would choose the maxx.. Besides the camera which is getting fixed with a software update its a great phone.. I can't really find anything wrong with it to complain about
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Not a complaint..Just a preference for me, the charge port at the top, like the RAZR Maxx is..I have the prop stand on my cases, same as I had with the RAZR's..but cannot charge while propped in portrait position..but, I will adapt..lol..and a storage slot would be nice, to store SafeStrap backups and so on..but all else, adore these devices..
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The x8 processor is not CPU cores. The maxx is a dual core.
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NWKENT said:
Not a complaint..Just a preference for me, the charge port at the top, like the RAZR Maxx is..I have the prop stand on my cases, same as I had with the RAZR's..but cannot charge while propped in portrait position..but, I will adapt..lol..and a storage slot would be nice, to store SafeStrap backups and so on..but all else, adore these devices..
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Agreed!!

redddog said:
I really wish that people would relax about the specs of phones these days. The quad cores are so freaking overkill on a phone it's silly. The Maxx is totally optimized as a phone and runs as smoothly as ant phone on the market. And if you're counting cores, the maxx has 8. By my count, that's double the G2. The 1080 vs 720 screen? Are you kidding me? It's a 5 inch screen! The human eye cant tell, people. it's a joke!
The maxx is a better phone. It's bare-bones android and has some incredibly cool, useful stuff. Knock on? big woop. give me touchless control and active notifications over that.
It's pissing in the wind, I know. But all this spec war nonsense is nothing but that. Nonsense.
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The maxx has a total of 6 cores. 2 for the cpu and 4 for the gpu. And IMHO, that droid maxx is perfect except for the terrible camera software (which is fixed with a 3rd party camera app like camera360 ultimate), the lack of external storage, and the inability to remove the battery. I LOVE the minimalistic version of android! This phone NEVER lags! <3
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The maxx has a total of 6 cores. 2 for the cpu and 4 for the gpu. And IMHO, that droid maxx is perfect except for the terrible camera software (which is fixed with a 3rd party camera app like camera360 ultimate), the lack of external storage, and the inability to remove the battery. I LOVE the minimalistic version of android! This phone NEVER lags! <3
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Not to be pedantic, but:
4 graphics processor cores
2 application processor cores (CPU)
2 low-power cores

sean67854 said:
Not to be pedantic, but:
4 graphics processor cores
2 application processor cores (CPU)
2 low-power cores
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1) Every Adreno 320 has x4 cores(Nexus 4, HTC one, S4 US ver), Moto is the only one that places any emphasis on this
2) The LP contextual core and natural whatever shouldn't even be considered as cores. Why? Because every little thing would be counted into the core total. Let's take the S600 SoC for instance. It has the 320(x4 core), x4 CPU, and an audio DSP(x1), does this mean it's a 9-core system?
Moto's interpretation of cores is misleading and is a marketing scheme.
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Ace42 said:
1) Every Adreno 320 has x4 cores(Nexus 4, HTC one, S4 US ver), Moto is the only one that places any emphasis on this
2) The LP contextual core and natural whatever shouldn't even be considered as cores. Why? Because every little thing would be counted into the core total. Let's take the S600 SoC for instance. It has the 320(x4 core), x4 CPU, and an audio DSP(x1), does this mean it's a 9-core system?
Moto's interpretation of cores is misleading and is a marketing scheme.
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Without any real standard as to what constitutes a "core" in the mobile space, as opposed to the PC world, I think it's important now that companies are starting to be "creative" with their marketing that we specifically call out what they are saying are cores, lest we be taken by surprise.

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Without any real standard as to what constitutes a "core" in the mobile space, as opposed to the PC world, I think it's important now that companies are starting to be "creative" with their marketing that we specifically call out what they are saying are cores, lest we be taken by surprise.
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No, we know what cores are. They are CPU cores. The rest is just marketing gobledy-gook.
The iPhone 5s has two cores. It runs circles around a 4 core Samsung phone. Ignore the core BS.

doogald said:
No, we know what cores are. They are CPU cores. The rest is just marketing gobledy-gook.
The iPhone 5s has two cores. It runs circles around a 4 core Samsung phone. Ignore the core BS.
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From what I know the cores have a universal meaning, so it's unnecessary change it for mobile devices.
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To everyone who is put off by the size of the Nexus 6

Get a Moto X 2014.
The Nexus 6 is built by Motorola and its basically just a blown up version of the Moto X 2014.
What's the differences between the 2 phones?
Moto X 2014 -
5.2" Display
Snapdragon 801
2gb Ram
1080p (423ppi)
2300 mAh Battery
5.08 oz (144 g)
Nexus 6 -
6" Display
Snapdragon 805
3gb Ram
1440p (493ppi)
3220 mAh Battery
Optical Image Stabilization (OIS)
6.49 oz (184 g)
Everything else (from what I understand) is the same!
Yes you're not getting the exact same specs shrunk down into the smaller Moto X but it's more in-line with what a lot of people think a "nexus device should be".
Moderate Specs, Moderate pricing and Stock android.
Here's a size comparison if anyone is interested:
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Who has money to buy a moto x 2014, buys a n5 and keeps some money. Moto X does not worth the money.
My op.
N5 should satisfy everyone that wants price/quality, and don't want bricks.
N5

eAsyy said:
Who has money to buy a moto x 2014, buys a n5 and keeps some money. Moto X does not worth the money.
My op.
N5 should satisfy everyone that wants price/quality, and don't want bricks.
N5
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The N5 is a great device no doubt but the Moto X follows the exact same design language as the N6 which imo is an overall a more premium feeling device with better specs
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The biggest problem with the Motorola Moto X 2014 is the battery size.
If it was 3000 mAh, it would be a worthy alternative.
Specs wise, Snapdragon 805 and 800 and 801 are pretty simmilar ,unless you playe games a lot.

eAsyy said:
Who has money to buy a moto x 2014, buys a n5 and keeps some money. Moto X does not worth the money.
My op.
N5 should satisfy everyone that wants price/quality, and don't want bricks.
N5
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Agreed, there's a larger gap here in Canada between the Nexus 5 at $350 and Moto X at $600 than the X and Nexus 6 which is $750.
I'm unsure of American Moto X prices.

Droid Turbo will be released tomorrow. This should satisfy many of those who want same specs as N6 on a smaller phone.

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Droid Turbo will be released tomorrow. This should satisfy many of those who want same specs as N6 on a smaller phone.
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In the US...

EddyOS said:
In the US...
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And only on Verizon. And it will have a locked bootloader.
For you GSM guys though, it went through the FCC not too long ago with GSM bands. Rumor is that it will be released as the "Moto X Play" or "Moto Maxx" , two names that Motorola trademarked this year.

The only glaring difference here is the Nexus is a developer device, and supported directly by Google.
IMO get the Nexus 6, or Nexus 5 if the 6 is too big. The only carrier left out in that case is VZW, but that's not something new.

shadowcore said:
The biggest problem with the Motorola Moto X 2014 is the battery size.
If it was 3000 mAh, it would be a worthy alternative.
Specs wise, Snapdragon 805 and 800 and 801 are pretty simmilar ,unless you playe games a lot.
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Not really that big a problem. It lasts longer than the N5 did. In almost every way is the x better than the n5.

floepie said:
Not really that big a problem. It lasts longer than the N5 did. In almost every way is the x better than the n5.
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Not really my point.
It may last longer than the N5, but it still does not counter my argument that its 2300 mAh looks unimpressive. My phone from 2012 had 2150 mAh.
Regarddless of efficient it might be, the screen will consume battery no matter how efficient the system runs, and thats why I think that 2300 mAh is too little.

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Not really that big a problem. It lasts longer than the N5 did. In almost every way is the x better than the n5.
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My limited experience with the X says different. But maybe that limited experience is why. Also, many reviews don't put the battery life any better than on the N5. Some even less. This is personal preference but the screen on the N5 is much much nicer than the amoled panel on the X2014

shadowcore said:
Not really my point.
It may last longer than the N5, but it still does not counter my argument that its 2300 mAh looks unimpressive. My phone from 2012 had 2150 mAh.
Regarddless of efficient it might be, the screen will consume battery no matter how efficient the system runs, and thats why I think that 2300 mAh is too little.
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Why does it matter if something looks unimpressive when it performs better? Real world performance is what matters in the end...
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jbdan said:
My limited experience with the X says different. But maybe that limited experience is why. Also, many reviews don't put the battery life any better than on the N5. Some even less. This is personal preference but the screen on the N5 is much much nicer than the amoled panel on the X2014
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But if you don't like Amoled then you probably weren't gonna get a N6 either? N6 and MotoX but are amoled displays
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GalaxyWhy said:
Everything else (from what I understand) is the same!
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lol. So, most everything about the phone is different. Gotchya

Those of you put off by the size...
What are you still doing here? This is a Nexus 6 forum. The Nexus 6 Specs are finalised and there will be no 5 inch, removeable battery, sd card slot, nexus that you were hoping for.
So why is this forum still full of people dying to have their say about how the Nexus is TOO BIG? I'm getting pretty tired of reading the same stuff over and over again. If you don't like the Nexus 6 and have no interest in purchasing one, Please leave this forum for those of us who do.

bigf00t said:
Those of you put off by the size...
What are you still doing here? This is a Nexus 6 forum. The Nexus 6 Specs are finalised and there will be no 5 inch, removeable battery, sd card slot, nexus that you were hoping for.
So why is this forum still full of people dying to have their say about how the Nexus is TOO BIG? I'm getting pretty tired of reading the same stuff over and over again. If you don't like the Nexus 6 and have no interest in purchasing one, Please leave this forum for those of us who do.
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they are holding onto hope it comes with super shrinking feature that's a hidden easter egg in lollipop

bigf00t said:
Those of you put off by the size...
What are you still doing here? This is a Nexus 6 forum. The Nexus 6 Specs are finalised and there will be no 5 inch, removeable battery, sd card slot, nexus that you were hoping for.
So why is this forum still full of people dying to have their say about how the Nexus is TOO BIG? I'm getting pretty tired of reading the same stuff over and over again. If you don't like the Nexus 6 and have no interest in purchasing one, Please leave this forum for those of us who do.
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Perhaps those people are intrigued to see what other peoples opinions are on it?
I have always been a Nexus guy, but this year I've been disappointed by Google with the screen size. Yeah sure, some people want a big 6" screen but for practical everyday use a lot of people want something a bit smaller - between 4.5" and 5".
I took the plunge and have gone over to the dark side and got myself and iPhone 6. I love it, it does everything an average phone user wants.
It has a decent size screen that looks beautiful in all conditions. Plus there are little extra quirks like 1080p at 60FPS and slow motion video at 240FPS. TouchID in a way that nobody else has managed to beat yet.
I think realistically the Nexus 6 and Lollipop both look amazing and I will be doing my normal thing and watching these forums to see what people do with them but I just can't imagine having to use a phone that big daily.
I will happily go on record and say that I'm sure within 1 - 2 months of owning the Nexus 6 some of you will be fed up with how big it is.

Wow. Thanks for letting me know I'll be fed up with my TOO BIG Nexus. Thanks for proving my point.

I am on the fence about it. I think the hardware improvements for the Nexus 6 are worth it's price, they are all the things I want:
-OIS camera with better sensor
-big enough battery for 5hours screen on time (not possible with my Moto X 2014 unless I use it conservatively)
-wireless charging
-stereo speakers
-all US carriers support
I might hold of preordering the Nexus 6 like I thought I would and wait for some of the reviews, but I know eventually I will likely buy one.
I love the Moto X, but I'm not as impressed with the 2014 version as I should be because they lack the aforementioned features. I just switched to the Moto X 2013 for a couple days and I'm really happy with what it offered for the price, I feel like I could live with the 2013 version. If the 2014 X had all the hardwares features of the Nexus 6 and cost $650 as well, it probably would be better for me.
If I buy the Nexus 6, I would use it as a tablet and backup device, it definitely will not be my daily driver. So I wouldn't be fully utilizing it.
So right now there isn't yet a perfect device for me. I want a phone with Motorola features and design with flagship hardwares, but not phablet size. I guess I have to wait to see what the Moto X 2015 will be like. If it's going to be a 5.5" screen I wouldn't be happy about it (unless they manage to have almost no bezel), it would be a begrudging upgrade, in that case I would get a used Nexus 6.

It is happening...a 1080p smartphone with a Snapdragon 810!

The Oneplus Two might be getting some competition!
The name of said device is... the HTC Hima!
http://bgr.com/2014/12/04/htc-hima-release-date-and-specs/
Specs:
5-inch Full HD display
Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 SoC containing a 2.0GHz quad-core processor and a 1.5GHz quad-core processor
3GB of RAM
20.7-megapixel camera
13-megapixel or UltraPixel front-facing camera
VoLTE/CA/LTE Cat. 6 support
2,840 mAh battery
Android 5.0 Lollipop with HTC Sense 7.0 on top.
These guts would probably get some impressive power out of a 4k device. The fact that they're in a 1080p device....it's going to be setting some serious records in the benchmarks, I can tell you that. It's about time someone realized that 4k is pointless for a screen that size.
That being said, why am I posting this here? Let me explain...As of December 2014, the Oneplus One is the hottest recent device on xda. The device really isn't even released yet, yet countless developers have already adopted it. Check for yourself; nothing else has the amount of xda developers, roms, and kernels the OPO has right now. That, in of itself, is its killer feature. You know, along with the excellent specs. It's a very nice, device, and I'm very happy with it.
THAT being said, is a device as freakishly powerful as the HTC Hima something that would make you forget your OPO? Would it even get your attention? Discuss!

What about one plus two? I'm sure they will make it comparable to other phones of that era. I myself would stick with something like opo or opt I guess (one plus two lol) or nexus for the ease and flexibility of root and customization
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But at what cost?

HTC and their small battery size
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HTC and their small battery size
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Meaning what? I get 5+ hours of SOT on my M8 with its puny 2600mah battery!
Sense is very well optimized and so is the GPE version.

Is it? That battery on this this is one thing I'm worried about. On top of, you know, everything else they could possibly screw up.
All this mystery makes me excited to see what Oneplus and HTC do with their upcoming devices. And... how much each will cost. :fingers-crossed:

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What about one plus two? I'm sure they will make it comparable to other phones of that era. I myself would stick with something like opo or opt I guess (one plus two lol) or nexus for the ease and flexibility of root and customization
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New tagline: Opt in for a One plus Two!

I'm intrigued. I would love to go back to HTC but their ultra pixel crap has been putting me off since the M7. I loved my One X that was a fine device and Sense is a really nice UI. HTC do produce good phones so let's see what this beast fruits too.

ill buy this htc instantly if the specs are true.

No thanks, will wait for 815 or 820 or 810 version without heating problems.

I won't ever EVER buy any mobile device over 1080p until it established in the desktop / media area. If you watch a 1080p movie on a screen with different pixel scaling then you get blur because the pixels have the wrong format to display a single 1080p pixel. Beside of that 1080p is really enough atm on mobiles. And lower res means less hardware usage.

Moto X Play & Moto X Style Announced - Extremely Disappointed!!

http://www.redmondpie.com/moto-x-style-moto-x-play-announced-specs-release-date-price/
I think it's officially time for me to move onto something else after my Moto X 2nd Gen!
Here's what completely puts me off upgrading to the Moto X Play (Style is completely out of the question!!!):
-SIZE!!!
-Heavier
-Thicker
-No 802.11ac WiFi
-Almost same type of processor!
-No 4k video recording
-Same single speaker design instead of dual speakers
-No OIS (this should be standard by now for a 2015 flagship!!!)
Are any of you guys enticed by this crap?? Seems like selling their soul to the devil (Lenovo) has made them completely lose it!
Apparently the Moto X Style has an LCD display?????? I take it no Moto Display on this version then??
Extremely disappointed in Motorola but those of you that used to whinge about having a micro SD slot will be over the moon lol.

This is what is called a flounce?

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http://www.redmondpie.com/moto-x-style-moto-x-play-announced-specs-release-date-price/
I think it's officially time for me to move onto something else after my Moto X 2nd Gen!
Here's what completely puts me off upgrading to the Moto X Play (Style is completely out of the question!!!):
-SIZE!!!
-Heavier
-Thicker
-No 802.11ac WiFi
-Almost same type of processor!
-No 4k video recording
-Same single speaker design instead of dual speakers
-No OIS (this should be standard by now for a 2015 flagship!!!)
Are any of you guys enticed by this crap?? Seems like selling their soul to the devil (Lenovo) has made them completely lose it!
Apparently the Moto X Style has an LCD display?????? I take it no Moto Display on this version then??
Extremely disappointed in Motorola but those of you that used to whinge about having a micro SD slot will be over the moon lol.
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I'm assuming you aren't in the US, since that phone won't even be available to us. I'll see what the next nexus phones are like, but chances are it will come down to the camera for me this time around
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I was surprised that they didn't talk about software improvements... I was hoping Motorola would add more assist/voice features
But price is a huge positive....

I think I'll keep hold of my X 2014 for another year and go for the iPhone 7 next year.
I'll really miss Tasker and Moto Voice though
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Yeah, I am totaly disappointed too. I will keep my moto x too and will now try to root it.

Moto Display in a LCD is a big challange.

The moto x is always not the flagship model of the motorola.
The Droid Turbo did!
But the next version of Droid has not even announced yet
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The X Play version isn't their flagship anymore, it's like a higher-mid tier option. And considering its battery size at a price point that starts at $300 dollars, I'd say you're getting a pretty good deal. The 2014 X retailed at $500 in case you don't remember.

zack1175 said:
The moto x is always not the flagship model of the motorola.
The Droid Turbo did!
But the next version of Droid has not even announced yet
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Well I would have called the nexus 6 their flagship of 2014 instead of the turbo since the droid line was Verizon exclusive.
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The X Play version isn't their flagship anymore, it's like a higher-mid tier option. And considering its battery size at a price point that starts at $300 dollars, I'd say you're getting a pretty good deal. The 2014 X retailed at $500 in case you don't remember.
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The X play is more like the step between the MOTO G and the MOTO X. It doesn't look like the nexus is returning to Motorola this year so the new MOTO X probably will be their flagship device. I mean 6 core processor, 21 megapixel camera, 5 megapixel front facing camera.
What could come out topping that on Motorola's end? Oh ya and 5.7 inch full resolution screen. As well as a micro SD slot returning. Did you guys read the specs? What more do you want out of a phone

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Something that's as sleek as the Moto X 2014??
Something that's as thin and compact in my hand?
Metal back?
These things are huge and I believe this is gonna be their downfall.
I've been a massive Moto X fan since they first released the very first Moto X but I really can't stand the new models and am sad that I'll be forced to move to another device (most likely an iPhone).

Wutang200 said:
Something that's as sleek as the Moto X 2014??
Something that's as thin and compact in my hand?
Metal back?
These things are huge and I believe this is gonna be their downfall.
I've been a massive Moto X fan since they first released the very first Moto X but I really can't stand the new models and am sad that I'll be forced to move to another device (most likely an iPhone).
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I'm pretty sure the majority of users here will happily trade an extra millimeter of thickness to accommodate a bigger battery.

You'll be saying the same thing when the Moto X 2016 is announced lol. It seems to be getting bigger each year. I'm certain next year's model will hit 6 inches in screen size like the Nexus 6.
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Very disappointed in the new Moto X Style announcement. 5.7" is way too big. 5.2" is my limit. Also the snapdragon 800 series 808 or 810 are very disappointing to me along with losing the Amoled display. I will be holding onto my 2014 Moto X until next year.
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Very disappointed in the new Moto X Style announcement. 5.7" is way too big. 5.2" is my limit. Also the snapdragon 800 series 808 or 810 are very disappointing to me along with losing the Amoled display. I will be holding onto my 2014 Moto X until next year.
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I bought the new Moto G, because hell, it's $220, why not? And then will wait to see what the next Nexus is like. I agree, 5.7 is just too damn big.

Sounds like I'm one of the few who likes the new size. It's physically about the same size as the iPhone 6+ which fits in my pocket fine and the larger size is great for movies and games when coupled with the stereo speakers.
I also prefer the LCD to AMOLED. MotoDisplay is still going to be doable and with LCDs becoming more and more efficient it shouldn't have a huge impact on battery life.

abrcrmdl23 said:
Very disappointed in the new Moto X Style announcement. 5.7" is way too big. 5.2" is my limit. Also the snapdragon 800 series 808 or 810 are very disappointing to me along with losing the Amoled display. I will be holding onto my 2014 Moto X until next year.
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Exactly my thoughts on it!
Moto X Play seems a downgrade to me in all aspects other than the battery department. I'll reserve my judgement on the 21MP camera until it's been properly tested.
Another phone I'm now considering is the Z4 Compact if it loses some fat.

Wutang200 said:
Something that's as sleek as the Moto X 2014??
Something that's as thin and compact in my hand?
Metal back?
These things are huge and I believe this is gonna be their downfall.
I've been a massive Moto X fan since they first released the very first Moto X but I really can't stand the new models and am sad that I'll be forced to move to another device (most likely an iPhone).
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I agree. I am hoping for the new Nexus 5 will be good...if not I might try to get a OP2. iPhone would be my last resort, but still an option.

zack1175 said:
The moto x is always not the flagship model of the motorola.
The Droid Turbo did!
But the next version of Droid has not even announced yet
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How is a one carrier phone the flagship? The Moto X is, has been and will be the flagship.
I don't mind the new size. As I get older a bigger screen is good for my eyes, lol. I did say I'd pick my next phone on getting at least a half way decent camera so that will determine it for me. I was also thinking having expandable storage would be important for my purposes so it's nice that Motorola is kind of bucking that trend.
It'll be interesting to see what Google come up with.
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Ikr. The Moto X Pure is going to be fantastic! I can't wait to get it and unlock its bootloader!!!!
I think I will go with a black front, white back and champagne accents. So pretty!
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As I get older a bigger screen is good for my eyes, lol.
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So true! I use my phone as much as a mobile computing device as a phone so a big screen is good for me too. I can see how guys who want to carry the phone in their pocket don't like larger phones and if you can read those smaller screens great but I can't.