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The next Flagship

Honorable Members,
I want to part away with this phone, a friend is after me day and night but need to know when the next flagship coming for me to change.It can be HTC or any other brand Android phone.However, i need something that is truly pace setter.

Well, the Samsung Galaxy S2 is out already, and that is your best bet if you want something now, otherwise, you are really waiting for the HTC Sensation, but that will be substantially more expensive. Remember though, the experience is the most important thing, so if you want Sense, keep your phone for a while.
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Wait for the HTC Sensation or Evo 3D the GSM version when available
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I'd go with the Samsung Galaxy S2, its a beast of a phone!

Sensation is basically the DHD with upgraded specs - it looks truly exceptional. 1080p video, a screen that does better colours and uses less power and updated sense. I think that'll be the new desire in terms of popularity for the next 12-24 months.

Tamen said:
Sensation is basically the DHD with upgraded specs - it looks truly exceptional. 1080p video, a screen that does better colours and uses less power and updated sense. I think that'll be the new desire in terms of popularity for the next 12-24 months.
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This.
Do be careful though, will you actually use the extra features? Nobody needs such a phone, so to speak. It will be a smaller upgrade than you think.
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lambomanx1 said:
This.
Do be careful though, will you actually use the extra features? Nobody needs such a phone, so to speak. It will be a smaller upgrade than you think.
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I totally agree. Although I'm a total geek when it comes to phones as I always want the latest and greatest, I know for a fact I'm hardly going to utalize its potential. Hell, all I ever use my Desire HD for is browsing, listening to music, making phonecalls, sending texts and playing some simple games. All an upgrade can do for me at this point is offer better battery life really.

Your usage is no less than anyone else's, it's just that people get massively drawn into the spec war.
When was the last time that anyone really recorded anything 1080p on their phone, aside from it just being there to do? And who exactly is going to completely utilise a dual core processor right now? No multi-threaded apps, and Android's memory management kills off anything that is not in use...so no need for two cores. We are currently in a place where the hardware is outpacing the software by quite a way. Focus needs to be placed on improving the software in the mobile world; this is painfully clear from the rather poor performance of Sense ROMs, for example.
Not saying that the tech is bad, but right now we really don't need it. Hence why I'm waiting a couple of years before I move to a dual core phone - my DHD is enough for anybody in terms of power.
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question, with all these dual core phones coming out, for example the lg optimus 2x is rated at 1GHz, So is it like 2 500MHz cores or 2 1GHz cores, I'm guessing the former ?

It's actually 2x 1ghz.
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Agree on software and battery improvement..if this two no improvement, i will stick to my DHD XD..
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That's true. My only

lambomanx1 said:
Your usage is no less than anyone else's, it's just that people get massively drawn into the spec war.
When was the last time that anyone really recorded anything 1080p on their phone, aside from it just being there to do? And who exactly is going to completely utilise a dual core processor right now? No multi-threaded apps, and Android's memory management kills off anything that is not in use...so no need for two cores. We are currently in a place where the hardware is outpacing the software by quite a way. Focus needs to be placed on improving the software in the mobile world; this is painfully clear from the rather poor performance of Sense ROMs, for example.
Not saying that the tech is bad, but right now we really don't need it. Hence why I'm waiting a couple of years before I move to a dual core phone - my DHD is enough for anybody in terms of power.
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That's true. My only Need is an Android phone that beats my iPhone 4 in terms of looks. In as much I agree that my DHD is a better phone but i will be honest to you that I need a very very beautiful looking phone that can do the job easily.

cracksquirrel said:
question, with all these dual core phones coming out, for example the lg optimus 2x is rated at 1GHz, So is it like 2 500MHz cores or 2 1GHz cores, I'm guessing the former ?
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Note that it doesn't mean that you will have double performance or anything like that. Apps and the OS need to be multithreaded; written to support and use two cores. It will be a long while before this happens, so the by the time Android 3.0 comes, the second core will be used for background tasks to assist multitasking. The issue with that is that memory management in Android means that there won't be many background tasks to actually manage, as they get killed off. And...it's a phone, so you don't really do any multitasking requires a whole core for background processes. So...a bit pointless right now. It'll see its uses in the future for performance, however.
To the post above; if looks are inportant to you, do take a look around before buying, as the newer phones definitely aren't as clean design-wise. The Galaxy S could look great...it's shame about the bloody plastics.
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lambomanx1 said:
Note that it doesn't mean that you will have double performance or anything like that. Apps and the OS need to be multithreaded; written to support and use two cores. It will be a long while before this happens, so the by the time Android 3.0 comes, the second core will be used for background tasks to assist multitasking. The issue with that is that memory management in Android means that there won't be many background tasks to actually manage, as they get killed off. And...it's a phone, so you don't really do any multitasking requires a whole core for background processes. So...a bit pointless right now. It'll see its uses in the future for performance, however.
To the post above; if looks are inportant to you, do take a look around before buying, as the newer phones definitely aren't as clean design-wise. The Galaxy S could look great...it's shame about the bloody plastics.
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Same thing goes to LGO2X..bloody plastics. I heat it!!

I'll keep my dhd for now!
I'll c what the future brings, but for a few new things i wont make the step...
On mayor software enhancement i maybe will reconsider.

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Note that it doesn't mean that you will have double performance or anything like that. Apps and the OS need to be multithreaded; written to support and use two cores
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I know, I was just wondering how they were naming them, for instance I used to have a processor that was advertised as 4.8GHz where in fact it was actually 2 x 2.4GHz cores, That imo is how they should be named, So the LG would be advertised as 2GHz

naimmkassim said:
Same thing goes to LGO2X..bloody plastics. I heat it!!
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It's a real shame, because all these phones have great hardware yet they don't have that premium feel...it unfortunately is the only reason I would buy HTC phones.
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I know, I was just wondering how they were naming them, for instance I used to have a processor that was advertised as 4.8GHz where in fact it was actually 2 x 2.4GHz cores, That imo is how they should be named, So the LG would be advertised as 2GHz
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Definitely not. That is misleading, because doubling single cores doesn't equate to double performance, as you understand. In fact, in most cases it doesn't improve performance at all.
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Still about looks, any phone coming that is real metal and not plastics with big engine?

Alkali said:
Still about looks, any phone coming that is real metal and not plastics with big engine?
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The Sensation is really your only bet to be honest. HTC are the only company that is really pushing the aluminium construction right now.

Should I buy a Nexus 4?

Hey,
I have had my one x since release day, but now it is in a bad way.
The screen has become partially delaminated, allowing dirt into the screen and causing a section of the touch screen to not function. The back is also very scratched.
Assuming I can do the repair myself, the parts would cost around £115.
My question is, should I get a nexus 4 or would I be in any way downgrading?
I could do my best to disguise the problems (clean under screen and reseal) and I might get around £150 from a recycling company.
A few things to note are that I love stock android and the idea of getting updates almost instantly.
I also don't think I would need more than 16gb given the use of Google drive and 35gb of Dropbox.
I do however love my phones screen and the community for the One X.
Anyway, I would love to hear people's opinions and have discussions about this as choosing my phone is one of the most important decisions I have to make haha.
ORStoner

Inspite of its design shortcuts and glass back, the n4 is a good deal.
If your device is shot, I'd say get one.
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I'm not sure whether I like the idea of a glass back. To be honest, whilst the plastic on my phone is battered the screen is still completely pristine.
Unless it is found to be super fragile, I would welcome the addition of more glass.
Does anyone know how the screen on the n4 compares to the one X?

It's on par with the X, it beats it in certain areas vice versa but One X probably has the better screen that's not saying the IPS on the N4 is bad as it's just as good.
However you lose a bit of screen estate due to the on screen buttons.
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nikzDHD said:
It's on par with the X, it beats it in certain areas vice versa but One X probably has the better screen that's not saying the IPS on the N4 is bad as it's just as good.
However you lose a bit of screen estate due to the on screen buttons.
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On par nikz.....?
S4Pro destroys our T3 in both CPU and GPU.
plus a 2100 battery for 28nm chip, whereas our HOX is 1800 with 40nm
42mbps HSDPA+
GPS with GLONASS support.
Stock fast updates
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I was answering his question regarding the screens
But yes, hardware wise it does put our One X to shame only the screen is probably better, better camera and more storage and Sense are probably the only benefits the HOX offers.
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chrisjcks said:
On par nikz.....?
S4Pro destroys our T3 in both CPU and GPU.
plus a 2100 battery for 28nm chip, whereas our HOX is 1800 with 40nm
42mbps HSDPA+
GPS with GLONASS support.
Stock fast updates
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He was talking about the screen
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nikzDHD said:
I was answering his question regarding the screens
But yes, hardware wise it does put our One X to shame only the screen is probably better, better camera and more storage and Sense are probably the only benefits the HOX offers.
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The camera was going to be my next question. The one x camera disappointed me a bit due to all the claims htc made at mwc, are you suggesting the n4 is not as good?
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ORStoner said:
The camera was going to be my next question. The one x camera disappointed me a bit due to all the claims htc made at mwc, are you suggesting the n4 is not as good?
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Yes most of the reviews state its not as good as all the other phones. But it's decent according to the reviews. Just check out the sample shots on various sites and see if you can live with the results.
One X camera isn't bad at all for a mobile device, the Nokia 920 and iphone 5 beat the HOX camera.
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I think I have just two more questions. When will it stop receiving updates first? Does the nexus s or galaxy nexus still get updates first or do they have to wait?
Also, how easy it to to root and install kernels etc? The one was a hassle and I had to void my warranty.
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ORStoner said:
I think I have just two more questions. When will it stop receiving updates first? Does the nexus s or galaxy nexus still get updates first or do they have to wait?
Also, how easy it to to root and install kernels etc? The one was a hassle and I had to void my warranty.
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Not sure about the first question as I've never had a Nexus device but I'm sure they are still getting updates.
Unlocking a Nexus device is the most simplest simple command and your done, so it should be a breeze installing roms and kernels and shouldn't affect warranty like the HOX does I believe as it's a developers phone end of the day.
I for one will be getting one to try out hopefully on release day if permitting. Getting a bit angry with the HOX battery life it can last me through the day but when I start using it dies quickly.
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chrisjcks said:
On par nikz.....?
S4Pro destroys our T3 in both CPU and GPU.
plus a 2100 battery for 28nm chip, whereas our HOX is 1800 with 40nm
42mbps HSDPA+
GPS with GLONASS support.
Stock fast updates
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Good point. The battery will be much better on the N4 since it's a 28nm cpu.

Well honestly.. You seem to have a rugged lifestyle, or is real rough on your phones. I would suggest you get something more like the Casio commando phone.
I don't think the n4 would be good for kids in school, or anything that could possibly harm a glass bodied phone.
But as a backup, out going out phone, sure. Plus the price is right, and wouldn't hurt you too bad if you are stuck in a contract.
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I usually keep better care of my devices, I was just hit by a car on my bike and it fell out of my pocket. It was in a case but it came of during the crash.

Douchebag whoever hit you hope your well though, get them to buy you a new phone
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nikzDHD said:
Douchebag whoever hit you hope your well though, get them to buy you a new phone
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I'm fine. They drove off though
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ORStoner said:
I usually keep better care of my devices, I was just hit by a car on my bike and it fell out of my pocket. It was in a case but it came of during the crash.
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I honestly couldn't suggest it, if you do a lot of bike riding, or if it's you're main source of transportation.
You Europeans do a lot more bike riding than us lazy Americans though, I think the price of gas has a lot to do with it.
I remember when I bought my evo, I was floored when I found out that someone in the UK basically paid double what I did, after vat.
My sensation would be great for bike riding, since the gorilla glass screen curves inward to avoid scratches, and the battery cover is the whole phone case, just get a new one for 30 bucks when the old one gets scuffed up. Battery life is meh, though.
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mrbkkt1 said:
I honestly couldn't suggest it, if you do a lot of bike riding, or if it's you're main source of transportation.
You Europeans do a lot more bike riding than us lazy Americans though, I think the price of gas has a lot to do with it.
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Bah. I'm American, and I ride 3+ miles a day.
Do live in NYC tho. Def get a good case for your phone if you ride.
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so.... should I buy or shouldn't I......
Hello all!
Question - As far as I understood - Menu Buttons are on-screen.
That means Menu Buttons are taking a lil' of the 4,7 inch screen?????, so that actually the usable screen without buttons is smthng like 4,6 or so?
Or rephrased:
Is the usable part of screen bigger in the case of the HOX than in Nexus 4?
I don't know what to do to be honest.... i could sell my hox for smthing like nearly 350 Euros, and hopefully i would get a Nexus 4 for it....
But is it really worth???
Pluses of the HOX in my opinion over the Nexus:
1. Sense
2. Screen + Camera
3. Beats Equalizer
4. HOX community
Now... I would change it for a Nexus 4 for the following reasons:
1. Updates directly from Google
2. Phone designed together with google, so it will be their hardware reference when google issues an android upgrade
3. Design (Glass-back)
4. 2gb of RAM and better processor
Now, to be honest I miss iOS in terms of buttery user interface, clean interface, no force-closes, etc.
I don't want to switch again to iOS, but it would be nice to find something alike in an android....
I had the best experience with the HOX for a sense ROM, and with i9100 a very fine experience with CM9.
I am searching for THE Android device.... Is Nexus it?
If not, then I would bet on the next flagship from HTC (not the HOX+, but the next one).
Samsung is totally out of the question due to it's cheap recycled-plastic design!

kreindler said:
Hello all!
Question - As far as I understood - Menu Buttons are on-screen.
That means Menu Buttons are taking a lil' of the 4,7 inch screen?????, so that actually the usable screen without buttons is smthng like 4,6 or so?
Or rephrased:
Is the usable part of screen bigger in the case of the HOX than in Nexus 4?
I don't know what to do to be honest.... i could sell my hox for smthing like nearly 350 Euros, and hopefully i would get a Nexus 4 for it....
But is it really worth???
Pluses of the HOX in my opinion over the Nexus:
1. Sense
2. Screen + Camera
3. Beats Equalizer
4. HOX community
Now... I would change it for a Nexus 4 for the following reasons:
1. Updates directly from Google
2. Phone designed together with google, so it will be their hardware reference when google issues an android upgrade
3. Design (Glass-back)
4. 2gb of RAM and better processor
Now, to be honest I miss iOS in terms of buttery user interface, clean interface, no force-closes, etc.
I don't want to switch again to iOS, but it would be nice to find something alike in an android....
I had the best experience with the HOX for a sense ROM, and with i9100 a very fine experience with CM9.
I am searching for THE Android device.... Is Nexus it?
If not, then I would bet on the next flagship from HTC (not the HOX+, but the next one).
Samsung is totally out of the question due to it's cheap recycled-plastic design!
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Kinda have to comment on this. I can GUARANTEE you that within a month or so the Nexus will have better community support, its 75% of the reason i got rid of my HOX and went back to my old Galaxy S. Granted the HOX community is much more established now, but nothing beats Nexus devices for community and devs and so on.

Moto X vs other high end devices.

After seeing how well the Moto X performs, I have to wonder is there any real point in constantly making phones that use faster chips such as the snapdragon 600 or 800 when Motorola proves that they can do the same on a dual core S4? Or has the spec race always been pointless and only caters to the desire of the consumer to have the "best." I own both the Moto X and a Google edition HTC One, and despite how much "higher end" the One is, I feel like the Moto X is the better device. Will other manufacturers start doing what Motorola is doing with the deep software-hardware integration, or will they continue to rely on the most cutting edge hardware?
Current Devices: Moto X, HTC One Google Edition, Oppo Find 5

All Moto did was out together an almost bare bones stock phone and focus on what really matters and has high impact for most people. Granted, the motoX may not be for everyone, depending on whether they prefer a larger screen or perform heavier tasks that may be better handled with a quadcore cpu. But for the majority, motoX is about as clean as it gets to being pure stock Android without bloaty oem launchers or UI tweaks. It comes with just a few custom moto apps that people will actually use more than once compared to the gimmicky features that come. Things like gif creators or nfc bump file transfers are of no use to me. But something like active notifications and moto assist is something going I and most others can use everyday.
So to answer your question, spec race isn't over yet, but I think there will be rush from Samsung and HTC to try to close the gap and duplicate the moto apps. There definitely will be an increased emphasis on user experience from here on out as consumers start to realize that cutting edge specs doesn't always translate to best experience.

Psilocin said:
All Moto did was out together an almost bare bones stock phone and focus on what really matters and has high impact for most people. Granted, the motoX may not be for everyone, depending on whether they prefer a larger screen or perform heavier tasks that may be better handled with a quadcore cpu. But for the majority, motoX is about as clean as it gets to being pure stock Android without bloaty oem launchers or UI tweaks. It comes with just a few custom moto apps that people will actually use more than once compared to the gimmicky features that come. Things like gif creators or nfc bump file transfers are of no use to me. But something like active notifications and moto assist is something going I and most others can use everyday.
So to answer your question, spec race isn't over yet, but I think there will be rush from Samsung and HTC to try to close the gap and duplicate the moto apps. There definitely will be an increased emphasis on user experience from here on out as consumers start to realize that cutting edge specs doesn't always translate to best experience.
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Truth be told the Moto X isn’t stock, it just has the stock UI on top of a relatively standard Motorola software build, but it does have a heck of a lot less of the operator preload crapware that normally shows up on Android phones sold with a subsidy these days.
http://anandtech.com/show/7235/moto-x-review/3

Strike9172 said:
After seeing how well the Moto X performs, I have to wonder is there any real point in constantly making phones that use faster chips such as the snapdragon 600 or 800 when Motorola proves that they can do the same on a dual core S4? Or has the spec race always been pointless and only caters to the desire of the consumer to have the "best." I own both the Moto X and a Google edition HTC One, and despite how much "higher end" the One is, I feel like the Moto X is the better device. Will other manufacturers start doing what Motorola is doing with the deep software-hardware integration, or will they continue to rely on the most cutting edge hardware?
Current Devices: Moto X, HTC One Google Edition, Oppo Find 5
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this is the same conversation that happened with computers and clock speed/cores a few years ago. more cores and higher clock speeds come to a point of diminishing returns and optimization is necessary to grow performance at that point.

This won't stop the spec race.
When OEMs realize price is what will win the "war", not specs, we'll finally get somewhere.

Maybe its just me, but I dont get what people are doing with their phones that they need such high spec'ed devices. When I look at a device I look for snapiness, response, and overall usability. Most phones achieve this by optimizing their custom software on the device. Its not about the specs people, its about how you make the software to interact with the device specs. I love my Moto X, as a matter of fact, I took back my S4 Active for it. S4 active is so full of bloatware, it reminds me of my mothers computer everytie she asks me to fix it, it has at least 6-7 toolbars in IE, and you can barely search anything. Some options are great on devices like the S4, but when you stick to simplicity, things work way better. My Moto X has been invaluable to me so far in terms of battery life, and touchless controls. Yes I use them, while driving. Convenient and safe for me and my family.
Just my 2 cents...

Coming from the S4 Active and the HTC One before that I can honestly say that this is the best Android phone I've ever used. It is every bit as fast as those two, if not faster, but even smoother with absolutely zero lag. Couple the amazing performance with the perfect physical design and you've got the Android phone that all others aspired to be but fell short. Screw the spec war, what Motorola did with this phone is nothing short of outstanding. I feel like this is the smart phone I've always wanted. Now if only I can get this crappy battery life figured out...
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Even if u put 8 cores (which they're doing) on a touchwiz phone, its still gonna be laggy in some areas! I had the One before this phone and that was much better but still had some hiccups! To my surprise, I haven't experienced any hiccups on the X yet but obviously having stock android helps a lot! Not a lot of the ram is being used up and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this phone use Motorola's new x8 core structure which is really awesome!
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I think it compares to 'higher' end devices just fine. People are knocking it saying it's last year's specs but there was an article I read about the whole S4 pro/600 and there was a guy who is very knowledgeable when it comes to CPU's and he even said he is confused as to what makes a 600 a 600 and what makes a pro a pro. He said they are basically exactly the same from an architecture stand point. He even stated he thinks what makes a 600 a 600 and a pro a pro is the clock speed. I have the HTC One, the X and the Oppo Find 5. I'm pleasantly surprised how well the X runs. This phone is no slouch and I wouldn't consider it a mid range device. (I did consider it one before I owned one) don't get me wrong I still love my HTC one, I also love my find 5 but my X is my new love so she has been getting all the attention lately. Hehe
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I recently sold my HTC one, and plan on returning my droid maxx once the moto x arrives. I love the way the x feels in hand. I'm going to miss the battery on the max though.
I think the processor is underrated and think motorola put out a great lone of phones this year and it will only lead to better phones in the future
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The only time I could see this phone falling behind is if apps begin to fully utilize four cores, but to be honest, I'd take 2 high power cores over 4 low power cores any day. Sadly, the cores in the X aren't anything over the top and probably wouldn't out perform two of the cores from a snapdragon 800 (2.3ghz). I know on my desktop I have an AMD Athlon 64x4 @2.8ghz that performs about the same as my i5 2450m @2.5ghz (turbo and almost always at 3.1ghz). As soon as I get an application that can't utilize all 4 cores the performance is nearly halved when compared to the i5 and makes it seem like a dog. As I said though, it's no suprise that this phone performs as good or even better than "more powerful" devices. I mean, I just can't see flipping through home pages and what not requiring anything more than a decent dual core processor. Optimization is key, and throwing more cores at it won't help.

I suppose my Nexus 4 is no longer a high-end phone. But still, it is not that bad yet after having MOTO X, I hardly touch my N4 anymore for two major reasons: touchless control and the compact size of MOTO. The screen size is the same, but the phone size ain't. Additionally, N4, to me at least, has a wired headphone jack. MOTO X has it in the middle, much easier to hold.
And of course, the dimple
The only super major huge disappointment is the MOTO X's camera. Oh my goodness, magic tweak twice to wake up this crappy camera?
That said, X is more than enough to impress average consumers. It is definitely not for geeks and spec-lovers

I have a Xperia S and I am tempted to buy a moot x what do you think it's good idea? Does it worth it? I know that the camera of the MotoX takes "funeral mode" photos compared to the Xperia S
I saw that the performance it's great but I still don't know
Help
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I get no lag with any of my apps with the dual cores, even the store models and I noticed the other store models did struggle at times. Reminds me of when the HTC Vivid came out, as one of the first dual core phones....no one could use it to the full potential, so I think the Quad Cores should be better utilized in the next generation of phones, but Moto X has more than enough power right now.

Simer03 said:
Even if u put 8 cores (which they're doing) on a touchwiz phone, its still gonna be laggy in some areas! I had the One before this phone and that was much better but still had some hiccups! To my surprise, I haven't experienced any hiccups on the X yet but obviously having stock android helps a lot! Not a lot of the ram is being used up and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this phone use Motorola's new x8 core structure which is really awesome!
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No need to lie, the HTC One does hiccup at all.. With that said, I'm considering going to the X simply because of battery life. I just feel like I will miss the aluminum, front speakers and camera.

I got the Moto X and love it. Everything runs smooth and fliud all throughout the system and apps. I'm selling my HTC One and GE S4 but am getting a Dev edition One. I really hope Google and Motorola keep making phones like this and this is just the beginning.

Moto X vs Nexus 5

I have been absolutely loving the Moto X for the last month. The battery longevity, ergonomics (size and shape), active notifications / unlock from screen, Moto assist, and Motorola Connect are my top reasons for keeping this phone. I know the Nexus 5 just released today and I am wondering if any of you guys are going to switch over to it. I don't think I will, but want to see what all you others think. Please provide reasoning and add your vote to the poll. Thanks.

I ordered my 32gb black N5 the very second it went live. I have no intention of ditching the Moto X for it, but want to have it to tinker with. The Moto X is pretty much perfect in every way (for now) so I can't really see myself liking the Nexus 5 any more. But, the bigger screen and 4.4 have me wanting it so I bought it. I'll probably use my Moto X as a weekday/work phone and the Nexus 5 as my weekend/play phone.

I think my decision depends on how quickly they get Kitkat out on the Moto X. Punit Soni hinted it was coming soon so I'll bide my time.

I'll be staying with the X. The n5 looks nice but after getting used to the perfect size of the x, I'm not interested in going back to a bigger device.
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capathy21 said:
I'll be staying with the X. The n5 looks nice but after getting used to the perfect size of the x, I'm not interested in going back to a bigger device.
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In other words, you are trying to be the supply issue
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murso74 said:
In other words, you are trying to be the supply issue
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I don't follow?
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mentose457 said:
Do you have a problem with me purchasing the N5 just to sell?
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I'd think you were scum if you were profiteering from flood victims, but it is just a phone. Anyone stupid enough to buy from you deserves what they get.
Anyhow, not interested in the N5 as I want a one-handed friendly form factor, and active display is a killer feature for me.

thedosbox said:
I'd think you were scum if you were profiteering from flood victims, but it is just a phone. Anyone stupid enough to buy from you deserves what they get.
Anyhow, not interested in the N5 as I want a one-handed friendly form factor, and active display is a killer feature for me.
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That's usually how i feel about those people too. My plan is to sell it if people are dumb enough to buy it for an exaggerated price. If not, I love phones and ill keep it.

mentose457 said:
That's usually how i feel about those people too. My plan is to sell it if people are dumb enough to buy it for an exaggerated price. If not, I love phones and ill keep it.
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There is nothing wrong with this, I dont do it myself, but it happens in every market that is dictated by s&d... Whether it's phones, concert tickets, consoles etc... It's part of how Capitalism works. If someone us stupid enough to buy something for more than its market value, then more power to the seller. Look at the iPhone! Every year people buy tens of thousands just to resell at higher prices. I think it's stupid and foolish! But from the buyers perspective, not the sellers.
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I use to want to flash my phone all the time, get a new ROM here and there. It originally started with wiping the phone every new flash. It started becoming a lengthy process to restore my apps and data that I use daily and things for work. So I started doing dirty flashes, then the ROMs would sometimes require a fresh flash due to instability.
With the MotoX that has all went away. I got 4.2.2 (I didn't see alot to 4.3 for my daily use) and still have root and system right access after the camera update. My phone is completely stable, and I get all the features I mainly use from ROMs using things like Xposed. (I still cant get the volume track control working, which I really use alot) and the phone is rock stable and doesn't require me to mess with kernels or tweak it with each new rom and build to get it right.
Now that I see 4.4 is coming and PwnMyMoto2 may be coming (no idea what it will do) I am sure I will stay with my Moto X. The Nexus 5 is great but I would be so tempted to ROM it and loosing Active Display would suck.
So for my playing needs I have my recently purchased Nexus 7 (2013) which I get to mess with all the time and no worries if it crashes or isn't stable.
TLDR: The Moto X is a solid performer and stable as hell for me and has cured my crack flashing cravings and shown me how a simple reliable phone can be perfect!

BrokenWall said:
I use to want to flash my phone all the time, get a new ROM here and there. It originally started with wiping the phone every new flash. It started becoming a lengthy process to restore my apps and data that I use daily and things for work. So I started doing dirty flashes, then the ROMs would sometimes require a fresh flash due to instability.
With the MotoX that has all went away. I got 4.2.2 (I didn't see alot to 4.3 for my daily use) and still have root and system right access after the camera update. My phone is completely stable, and I get all the features I mainly use from ROMs using things like Xposed. (I still cant get the volume track control working, which I really use alot) and the phone is rock stable and doesn't require me to mess with kernels or tweak it with each new rom and build to get it right.
Now that I see 4.4 is coming and PwnMyMoto2 may be coming (no idea what it will do) I am sure I will stay with my Moto X. The Nexus 5 is great but I would be so tempted to ROM it and loosing Active Display would suck.
So for my playing needs I have my recently purchased Nexus 7 (2013) which I get to mess with all the time and no worries if it crashes or isn't stable.
TLDR: The Moto X is a solid performer and stable as hell for me and has cured my crack flashing cravings and shown me how a simple reliable phone can be perfect!
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My only worry is the longevity of the dual-core processor. It's great now, but what about after a couple of OS updates? The N5 will certainly hold up better than the Moto X in terms of longevity -- but I'm finding it hard to justify ditching the great form factor and convenience of Active Display/Touchless Control for better specs. I'm loving my Moto X and will not be ditching it for the way-too-big N5!
Also, it sounds like Kitkat will be coming out for the Moto X in a reasonable time. Motorola has already announced the phones that will be getting it and it seems a few insides on XDA are saying it'll be out soon. Here's to hoping service providers don't hold up that process too much.

xmai77 said:
My only worry is the longevity of the dual-core processor. It's great now, but what about after a couple of OS updates? The N5 will certainly hold up better than the Moto X in terms of longevity -- but I'm finding it hard to justify ditching the great form factor and convenience of Active Display/Touchless Control for better specs. I'm loving my Moto X and will not be ditching it for the way-too-big N5!
Also, it sounds like Kitkat will be coming out for the Moto X in a reasonable time. Motorola has already announced the phones that will be getting it and it seems a few insides on XDA are saying it'll be out soon. Here's to hoping service providers don't hold up that process too much.
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The dual core CPU on this phone is technically quick because it is able to perform its duties at higher efficiency. There was an article from Anandtech talking about why Apple iPhone 5s is still a Dualcore.
I always thought the transition from 2 to 4 cores happened quicker in mobile than I had expected. Thankfully there are some well threaded apps that have been able to take advantage of more than two cores and power gating keeps the negative impact of the additional cores down to a minimum. As we saw in our Moto X review however, two faster cores are still better for most uses than four cores running at lower frequencies. NVIDIA forced everyone’s hand in moving to 4 cores earlier than they would’ve liked, and now you pretty much can’t get away with shipping anything less than that in an Android handset. Even Motorola felt necessary to obfuscate core count with its X8 mobile computing system. Markets like China seem to also demand more cores over better ones, which is why we see such a proliferation of quad-core Cortex A5/A7 designs. Apple has traditionally been sensible in this regard, even dating back to core count decisions in its Macs. I remembering reviewing an old iMac and pitting it against a Dell XPS One at the time. This was in the pre-power gating/turbo days. Dell went the route of more cores, while Apple chose for fewer, faster ones. It also put the CPU savings into a better GPU. You can guess which system ended out ahead.
In such a thermally constrained environment, going quad-core only makes sense if you can properly power gate/turbo up when some cores are idle. I have yet to see any mobile SoC vendor (with the exception of Intel with Bay Trail) do this properly, so until we hit that point the optimal target is likely two cores. You only need to look back at the evolution of the PC to come to the same conclusion. Before the arrival of Nehalem and Lynnfield, you always had to make a tradeoff between fewer faster cores and more of them. Gaming systems (and most users) tended to opt for the former, while those doing heavy multitasking went with the latter. Once we got architectures with good turbo, the 2 vs 4 discussion became one of cost and nothing more. I expect we’ll follow the same path in mobile.
Then there’s the frequency discussion. Brian and I have long been hinting at the sort of ridiculous frequency/voltage combinations mobile SoC vendors have been shipping at for nothing more than marketing purposes. I remember ARM telling me the ideal target for a Cortex A15 core in a smartphone was 1.2GHz. Samsung’s Exynos 5410 stuck four Cortex A15s in a phone with a max clock of 1.6GHz. The 5420 increases that to 1.7GHz. The problem with frequency scaling alone is that it typically comes at the price of higher voltage. There’s a quadratic relationship between voltage and power consumption, so it’s quite possibly one of the worst ways to get more performance. Brian even tweeted an image showing the frequency/voltage curve for a high-end mobile SoC. Note the huge increase in voltage required to deliver what amounts to another 100MHz in frequency.
The combination of both of these things gives us a basis for why Apple settled on two Swift cores running at 1.3GHz in the A6, and it’s also why the A7 comes with two cores running at the same max frequency. Interestingly enough, this is the same max non-turbo frequency Intel settled at for Bay Trail. Given a faster process (and turbo), I would expect to see Apple push higher frequencies but without those things, remaining conservative makes sense. I verified frequency through a combination of reporting tools and benchmarks. While it’s possible that I’m wrong, everything I’ve run on the device (both public and not) points to a 1.3GHz max frequency.
Verifying core count is a bit easier. Many benchmarks report core count, I also have some internal tools that do the same - all agreed on the same 2 cores/2 threads conclusion. Geekbench 3 breaks out both single and multithreaded performance results. I checked with the developer to ensure that the number of threads isn’t hard coded. The benchmark queries the max number of logical CPUs before spawning that number of threads. Looking at the ratio of single to multithreaded performance on the iPhone 5s, it’s safe to say that we’re dealing with a dual-core part.
Quoted from: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/2
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I quoted due to the way it is worded. We saw these same issues with Desktops when we started moving to Quadcores. In most usage scenarios it was better to have fast dual core CPUs than to have quad core CPUs. It took some time for things to catch up and get to the point where the move made sense.

xmai77 said:
My only worry is the longevity of the dual-core processor. It's great now, but what about after a couple of OS updates? The N5 will certainly hold up better than the Moto X in terms of longevity -- but I'm finding it hard to justify ditching the great form factor and convenience of Active Display/Touchless Control for better specs. I'm loving my Moto X and will not be ditching it for the way-too-big N5!
Also, it sounds like Kitkat will be coming out for the Moto X in a reasonable time. Motorola has already announced the phones that will be getting it and it seems a few insides on XDA are saying it'll be out soon. Here's to hoping service providers don't hold up that process too much.
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Keep in mind they made some big advances in memory management and efficiency within Android 4.4, ensuring that Kit Kat can run even on devices with 512 MB of RAM. My guess is, that may have actually lowered the load placed on our dual-core Snapdragon 600 (it is that, right?).
In addition, you can bet Motorola will do whatever it needs to in terms of optimizing code in order to ensure that Kit Kat runs chocolately smooth on our devices.

Samurai Drac said:
Keep in mind they made some big advances in memory management and efficiency within Android 4.4, ensuring that Kit Kat can run even on devices with 512 MB of RAM. My guess is, that may have actually lowered the load placed on our dual-core Snapdragon 600 (it is that, right?).
In addition, you can bet Motorola will do whatever it needs to in terms of optimizing code in order to ensure that Kit Kat runs chocolately smooth on our devices.
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Hey, I am using an old Defy+ and its time for me to change my phone. I'm having REALLY hard time picking between the X and the N5. When looking superficially on the specs, I get this image in my head that the X is slow compared to N5 due to processor. Can I get more info about this that will help me pick a phone?

BrokenWall said:
I use to want to flash my phone all the time, get a new ROM here and there. It originally started with wiping the phone every new flash. It started becoming a lengthy process to restore my apps and data that I use daily and things for work. So I started doing dirty flashes, then the ROMs would sometimes require a fresh flash due to instability.
With the MotoX that has all went away. I got 4.2.2 (I didn't see alot to 4.3 for my daily use) and still have root and system right access after the camera update. My phone is completely stable, and I get all the features I mainly use from ROMs using things like Xposed. (I still cant get the volume track control working, which I really use alot) and the phone is rock stable and doesn't require me to mess with kernels or tweak it with each new rom and build to get it right.
Now that I see 4.4 is coming and PwnMyMoto2 may be coming (no idea what it will do) I am sure I will stay with my Moto X. The Nexus 5 is great but I would be so tempted to ROM it and loosing Active Display would suck.
So for my playing needs I have my recently purchased Nexus 7 (2013) which I get to mess with all the time and no worries if it crashes or isn't stable.
TLDR: The Moto X is a solid performer and stable as hell for me and has cured my crack flashing cravings and shown me how a simple reliable phone can be perfect!
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I was just informed that the N5, as well as other devices, will be getting touchless controls too through the Kitkat update. This brings me back to square one! On one hand, the Moto X has great functionality in a nice package while the N5 has crazy specs in an too-big-to-properly-handle package.

xmai77 said:
I was just informed that the N5, as well as other devices, will be getting touchless controls too through the Kitkat update. This brings me back to square one! One one hand, the Moto X has great functionality in a nice package while the N5 has crazy specs in an too-big-to-properly-handle package.
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The Nexus 5 is not getting complete Touchless controls. The phone is unable to wake from sleep to the sound of your command. While the phone is on it will respond to "OK, google" which is fine for most people. But the Moto X still has the edge since the co-processor is able to do more listening while the phone is completely asleep.
The Snapdragon 800 is suppose to have a low power cpu to handle these duties but it hasn't been put to the test by anyone to confirm if it will be able to do the same jobs as the extra cpus in the X8 Silicon.

Eluveitie said:
Hey, I am using an old Defy+ and its time for me to change my phone. I'm having REALLY hard time picking between the X and the N5. When looking superficially on the specs, I get this image in my head that the X is slow compared to N5 due to processor. Can I get more info about this that will help me pick a phone?
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While technically the processor is 'slower' than the Nexus 5, and the Nexus 5 has two additional cores, that doesn't mean that the Moto X doesn't have the processing power to run Android smoothly. It just means that the Nexus 5 has more power available to it should an application demand it.
Think of it this way... The Moto X is a four cylinder, 200 horsepower engine. Plenty to smoothly sail on the highway at 60 or 70 miles per hour. If you want to, you might even be able to fly by at 120 miles per hour. The Nexus 5 is a six cylinder, 400 horsepower engine. You can go up to 200 miles per hour. Either way though, most of your Android usage in a non gaming situation is going to be highway speed at 60 or 70 mph. Only when you turn on some serious mobile games or graphics intensive applications, or heavy number crunching benchmarks or pi-calculating apps, will you notice the difference in the engine horsepower between the two.

The N5 looks super sweet, but I spent more time ogling 4.4 than the N5. I mean, it's absolutely awesome (if you're not on Verizon) to get an off-contract phone for so cheap, and I'd imagine that you could buy a carrier-subsidized one for even cheaper. But 4.4's features are an even bigger selling point to me. It feels like they're adding more than they did in the past few JB updates, and all the features improve the quality of experience.
But, I'm sticking with the Moto X. Why? I just got it 48 hours ago. And I'm on Verizon. But aside from all of that, I've found that bigger phones just get easier for me to drop, and the X's combination of touchless controls and active notifications are way too good to pass up on.

BrokenWall said:
The Nexus 5 is not getting complete Touchless controls. The phone is unable to wake from sleep to the sound of your command. While the phone is on it will respond to "OK, google" which is fine for most people. But the Moto X still has the edge since the co-processor is able to do more listening while the phone is completely asleep.
The Snapdragon 800 is suppose to have a low power cpu to handle these duties but it hasn't been put to the test by anyone to confirm if it will be able to do the same jobs as the extra cpus in the X8 Silicon.
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Is that right? It won't recognize the voice commands when sleeping? I've decided to keep the Moto X but if what you say is true then that only makes me feel even better about my decision.

I have a Nexus 7 and see no reason to get a N5 to replace my Moto X.....or in general for that matter. I use my phone as a phone (yup), GPS, email, texting, pics of the kids every now and then, and minor web stuff. I found I don't need an Android update every two weeks, a quad core monster processor, or a 55 million PPI screen for anything.

Moto X+1 or Droid Ultra sequel? Motorola XT912A surfaces with Snapdragon 800!!!

Hi guys...
I guess the new moto is coming:highfive:
http://thedroidguy.com/2014/04/moto-x1-droid-ultra-sequel-motorola-xt912a-surfaces-snapdragon-800/

cascade128 said:
Hi guys...
I guess the new moto is coming:highfive:
http://thedroidguy.com/2014/04/moto-x1-droid-ultra-sequel-motorola-xt912a-surfaces-snapdragon-800/
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5.2" screen? :crying:
Hope they did something magical with the bezels...

chaoslimits said:
5.2" screen? :crying:
Hope they did something magical with the bezels...
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As LG G2

If the new X gets too big I'm sticking with my OG X. I was looking at the oneplusone and it's 6 inches tall. That's a negative for me

AndreaCristiano said:
If the new X gets too big I'm sticking with my OG X. I was looking at the oneplusone and it's 6 inches tall. That's a negative for me
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same for me. if the phone gets too big i will be sticking to my OG X or start looking at other directions. i am not a fan of bigger phones and the X is simply the perfect size for me.

Right now I'm having a hard time seeing any reason that I would trade in my OG Moto X.
I do, however, sincerely hope that Moto doesn't get pulled into the screen size war. When I want a tablet, I will bring my tablet. The X is right at the ideal size for me - similar size to my Galaxy Nexus - and I really don't want it getting any bigger. Maybe the phone is staying the same size and the screen size is indicating one of those sweet wrap-around screens that a couple concepts have floated around.

IF they are indeed going for a brute force edition, then hopefully they skip Snapdragon 800 and go straight to 801. The power efficiency gains of 801 alone should be enough of a reason to chose that and not 800 at this point.

I hope this is the Droid sequel. I don't want a 5.2" phone. Snapdragon 800 doesn't mean anything just like the current x which lists a s4 pro. Both the 600 and the s4 pro have krait 300 cores. Maybe it has two krait 400 cores and Qualcomm is making them brand it an 800.
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What they need to do is keep the same form factor as our OG shrink the crap out of the bezels and make it 5 inch screen if they want to go bigger and whalla bigger screen in a great phone
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They are under new new management from China, where there's a screen size war, maybe that's why the screen got larger. Sigh. I thought the Moto X size is perfect.
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Or they are adding a third level of phone (g,x,x+1)
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x2h said:
They are under new new management from China, ...
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Motorola is NOT under new management from China. The sale to Lenovo won't be complete until July at least, probably August or September. For now they are still owned by Google.

dirtysox said:
Motorola is NOT under new management from China. The sale to Lenovo won't be complete until July at least, probably August or September. For now they are still owned by Google.
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Thank toy for pointing this out. Then I don't understand why they increase the screen size so much.
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T-Keith said:
I hope this is the Droid sequel. I don't want a 5.2" phone. Snapdragon 800 doesn't mean anything just like the current x which lists a s4 pro. Both the 600 and the s4 pro have krait 300 cores. Maybe it has two krait 400 cores and Qualcomm is making them brand it an 800.
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It's registered in the system as a quad-core (per the GFXBench screenshot). I'm not sure how they'll use them yet, but they have to play the numbers game too, unfortunately.
If they had heterogeneous computing like AMD's current desktop APUs, the extra cores could become compute units for the GPU. Though, I don't think the software side is quite ready for that yet.
I'd rather see the S801 because it supports eMMC 5.0. Samsung is currently mass-producing eMMC 5.0 chips, and I'm sure others are too. The one thing that holds a phone back is poor I/O performance, so I'd like to see this.
Also, it'd be nice if they coupled the Adreno 420 to the S800 cores instead. Things are far more GPU driven these days, so that would be a great little semi-custom solution. Otherwise, the 578MHz Adreno 330 will have to do.
Here's what I think:
Droid Ultra/Maxx replacement - 5.2" 1080p
Moto X replacement (X+1) - 4.95" 1080p (or they could surprise us and use a 4.7" 1080p screen)
The camera has been changed to a 12MP unit, and if they're still using OmniVision sensors, then there are 12.6 and 12.8MP options. I think it's the OV12830: http://www.ovt.com/products/sensor.php?id=120

This is probably just a new Droid series for verizon. I think Moto X+1 will remain the same size with hardware upgrade (Someone mentioned this could be just like the One X and One X+ where the processor changed). I'm not sure how they will go about with the S800. Maybe this will be a tri core S800?( The X8 had a contextual core for voice and another for camera thinggy so since S800 already comes with always on voice baked in it will make sense to get rid of the contextual core.)

Rattles said:
same for me. if the phone gets too big i will be sticking to my OG X or start looking at other directions. i am not a fan of bigger phones and the X is simply the perfect size for me.
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Same here.. the size was one of the biggest pluses about the moto x ( pun intended). I thought they did all this research to find the perfect size and shape.. that's not something that should change with generations.. (unless our hands are getting bigger haha) But they might want to release another tier to compete with the other manufacturers with big screened phones.

I don't know why moto couldn't release x's in multiple screen sizes... Maybe stagger the releases. Get your panties in a bunch over a little choice? Relax...

If the new Moto X turns out to be a 5.2" inch device (which I really doubt), I will have no choice, but to get the new upcoming iphone 6 with a rumored 4.7" display. Companies do not care about the ergonomics, the massive current phones are ridiculous to hold. And yes, hands don't grow, so the phones shouldn't either.
The current Moto X is perfect. I hope Motorola doesn't enter the stupid display "size" market and stays where its at, otherwise goodbye Android and welcome Apple.

eeshlikhith said:
This is probably just a new Droid series for verizon. I think Moto X+1 will remain the same size with hardware upgrade (Someone mentioned this could be just like the One X and One X+ where the processor changed). I'm not sure how they will go about with the S800. Maybe this will be a tri core S800?( The X8 had a contextual core for voice and another for camera thinggy so since S800 already comes with always on voice baked in it will make sense to get rid of the contextual core.)
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Just a random question but you guys don't think the nvidia tegra 4 or even tegra k1 as an option, I mean, always Qualcomm have the entire market and they are good, but I recently download the awesome camera and the info of Google play says can record slow motion video at 120fps with 1080p having the tegra 4 as the SoC, so that makes me think they are so much powerful than the Qualcomm SoC, the iPhone 5s can't record to that resolution even with they "all new" 64 bits processor...
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If there's a Droid Mini Dev Ed I'll consider that.