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I need to check some facts
When upgraded to 4.3 I lost root and my is back to stock? True or false
Would it be safe to post a pic of my knox screen?
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cinnamngrl said:
I need to check some facts
When upgraded to 4.3 I lost root and my is back to stock? True or false
Would it be safe to post a pic of my knox screen?
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If you took the OTA update to 4.3, then yes you are on the Knox bootloader. AND you are stock unrooted (unless you've since rooted).
Yes it's safe to post a pic of you system config; there is nothing anyone can take from that information that is harmful to you.
Is this a clean knox? Or is it already tripped.
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Is this a clean knox? Or is it already tripped.
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Clean Knox
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To get Root, you can use Kingo root without tripping Knox.
optimummind said:
To get Root, you can use Kingo root without tripping Knox.
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Isn't it the custom recovery that ends up tripping the Knox anyways?
I'm a Verizon guy and also have a sprint s4 that I threw Philz on. So I'm not sure if you can do that without tripping Knox, that's the impression I got though.
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Mistertac said:
Isn't it the custom recovery that ends up tripping the Knox anyways?
I'm a Verizon guy and also have a sprint s4 that I threw Philz on. So I'm not sure if you can do that without tripping Knox, that's the impression I got though.
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Yes, custom recovery will trip Knox.
1. My phone was previously rooted,
2. Got 4.3 update
3. Now has a clean knox
My questions are
A. can I root my phone again?
B. Will later android updates give me another clean knox?
C. Are any procedures like triangle away that will keep knox clean?
D. Is warranty the only reason I want a clean knox?
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cinnamngrl said:
1. My phone was previously rooted,
2. Got 4.3 update
3. Now has a clean knox
My questions are
A. can I root my phone again?
B. Will later android updates give me another clean knox?
C. Are any procedures like triangle away that will keep knox clean?
D. Is warranty the only reason I want a clean knox?
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A. Yes you can, if you don't want the Knox warranty flag use Safe Root. If you google safe root for S4 you should find the link. The Knox flag is actually tripped when you install a custom recovery. This means if you use cf autoroot, twrp, philz, or any other root or recovery the Knox flag will be tripped. If you want to install a custom rom or mod, then you will trip the Knox flag since those require a custom recovery. If you just want to root and remove bloat, backup with TiBu, install xposed framework modules, or even unlock the hotspot then you can do those without a custom recovery and keep your Knox warranty flag in place.
B. No, once you have tripped the Knox warranty flag, so far the flag is not reset by installing updates or the full stock tar file of a newer version.
C. Not at his time.
D. Yes, at this time the only thing the Knox warranty flag does is show Samsung that your device has been tampered with at one time. Sprint and Assurian still honor the TEP insurance, but if your phone has to be sent to Samsung for repair or warranty that is where you will have problems.
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cruise350 said:
D. Yes, at this time the only thing the Knox warranty flag does is show Samsung that your device has been tampered with at one time. Sprint and Assurian still honor the TEP insurance, but if your phone has to be sent to Samsung for repair or warranty that is where you will have problems.
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Not sure if this is true or not, but wouldn't triggering Knox prevent you from activating the device on a corporate network?
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Not sure if this is true or not, but wouldn't triggering Knox prevent you from activating the device on a corporate network?
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Mostlikely YES.
My brother's device had problems with some of their corporate apps (email/portal stuff) designed to look for ROOT and othe security (knox I bet) changes. Is IT guys literally swapped out his phone after he rooted it!
Plus it seems that a whole lot of people are having issue connecting to PEAP WiFi networks; primarily, I'm guessing' Cisco based. [Cisco is notoriously behind the curve. Heck they have security devices (ASAs) that must be accessed with OLD java versions.]
But there ARE some solutions for that around here.
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Mostlikely YES.
My brother's device had problems with some of their corporate apps (email/portal stuff) designed to look for ROOT and othe security (knox I bet) changes. Is IT guys literally swapped out his phone after he rooted it!
Plus it seems that a whole lot of people are having issue connecting to PEAP WiFi networks; primarily, I'm guessing' Cisco based. [Cisco is notoriously behind the curve. Heck they have security devices (ASAs) that must be accessed with OLD java versions.]
But there ARE some solutions for that around here.
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Your voice to text is making some confusing word choice s
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cinnamngrl said:
Your voice to text is making some confusing word choice s
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Only thing I think is really wrong is "Is" instead of "His" (IMHO)... but then again, I'm an IT guy...
That, and I need to put my S4 in my sig! :silly:
leaderbuilder said:
Mostlikely YES.
My brother's device had problems with some of their corporate apps (email/portal stuff) designed to look for ROOT and othe security (knox I bet) changes. Is IT guys literally swapped out his phone after he rooted it!
Plus it seems that a whole lot of people are having issue connecting to PEAP WiFi networks; primarily, I'm guessing' Cisco based. [Cisco is notoriously behind the curve. Heck they have security devices (ASAs) that must be accessed with OLD java versions.]
But there ARE some solutions for that around here.
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what I need is a hotspot. not too often, but itsa drag not to have it.
cinnamngrl said:
what I need is a hotspot. not too often, but itsa drag not to have it.
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Hot spot is easy, run the safe root file from your pc to root your phone. Then download the odexed MK2 hot spot mod in post 337 in the hot spot mod thread. Use 7zip or similar app to extract the services.jar and services.odex file to your sdcard. Then use root explorer to copy them to the system/framework directory. It is a good idea to backup the original files. After you copy the new files you will need to change the permissions to rw-r-r. After this is done reboot and enjoy free hot spot. This will not trip knox since you don't have to install a custom recovery.
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cruise350 said:
Hot spot is easy, run the safe root file from your pc to root your phone. Then download the odexed MK2 hot spot mod in post 337 in the hot spot mod thread. Use 7zip or similar app to extract the services.jar and services.odex file to your sdcard. Then use root explorer to copy them to the system/framework directory. It is a good idea to backup the original files. After you copy the new files you will need to change the permissions to rw-r-r. After this is done reboot and enjoy free hot spot. This will not trip knox since you don't have to install a custom recovery.
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Am i missing some obvious reason that you described the location instead of including a link? BYTW yes, i tried to find it. And thank you
cinnamngrl said:
Am i missing some obvious reason that you described the location instead of including a link? BYTW yes, i tried to find it. And thank you
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Sorry, but I was responding from my phone and couldn't post links but here you go:
Find the correct MK2 odexed hot spot mod in post #337 of this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2256950&page=34
Then you can follow crawj's procedures here to manually install the update without a custom recovery: https://skydrive.live.com/view.aspx...E!131&app=Word&wdo=2&authkey=!AJdLcpl9ak9eZnw
Good Luck
is there a way to remove KNOX completely without tripping the 0x1 flag? has there been developments in this area? seems like everyone's focused on trying to reverse the flag once it's set, but what about the removal of KNOX so that it never sets that flag?
dimm0k said:
is there a way to remove KNOX completely without tripping the 0x1 flag? has there been developments in this area? seems like everyone's focused on trying to reverse the flag once it's set, but what about the removal of KNOX so that it never sets that flag?
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The problem occurs within the bootloader of the MJA or newer firmware. With that version of the software, Samsung has prevented the downgrading of the bootloader so there is no way to get rid if that feature. You can go through the rom and remove or disable the Knox files, which do nothing for the phone except free up some space. Knox's purpose is to allow Samsung to create a secure environment for corporate and government companies that need to protect their info and intellectual properties. The average user will never need Knox, so it's safe to remove. When Samsung fully implemented Knox with 4.3 they integrated it into the bootloader. Now, all of us assume the Knox warranty flag voids your Samsung warranty, which it probably does, but I believe its true purpose is to void the Knox integrity check so the Knox secure containers know the phone has been tampered with and can't guarantee data security.
Data security is big business and Samsung wants a piece of that pie.
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computer programs and knox
so once knox is tripped to 0x1 does that prevent your phone being read by other programs? only reason i ask is because i have tripped knox and some of my data on my phone has been erased (notes, pics, sms, contacts) and the programs i have wont even acknowledge my phone.
Only two months remaining in my warranty. should I trip knox? If ktoonsez kernel comes for TW lollipop then I for sure will trip knox. But other than ktoonsez kernel, Is there anything worth to trip knox for?
I tripped knox 2 months after purchase.
I don't regret it at all. I can backup my apps with titanium backup. I can use viper4android. I can increase and decrease the performance (depending if I need battery life or not).
I felt very restrained without root.
Finally, I tripped my knox...!!!
khsh97 said:
Finally, I tripped my knox...!!!
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Do you still FEEL the same as before?
Wildwind101 said:
Do you still FEEL the same as before?
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what do you mean? I am not getting your question. In what aspect should I feel same or different than before? Please, explain little bit your question.
khsh97 said:
what do you mean? I am not getting your question. In what aspect should I feel same or different than before? Please, explain little bit your question.
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Haha, that was a joke
Wildwind101 said:
Haha, that was a joke
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haha.... I am feeling happy than before. Now, I am using philz recovery and hybridmax kernel and my phone has become very smooth. Now, I can directly root my phone without waiting for safe root method.
Now I can use my phone the way I want. Now its my phone instead of samsung....lol!!!
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haha.... I am feeling happy than before. Now, I am using philz recovery and hybridmax kernel and my phone has become very smooth. Now, I can directly root my phone without waiting for safe root method.
Now I can use my phone the way I want. Now its my phone instead of samsung....lol!!!
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You have been LIBERATED my friend
Wildwind101 said:
You have been LIBERATED my friend
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Yeah I am and you also.
Does the device belongs to Samsung or you???
Lim Wee Huat said:
Does the device belongs to Samsung or you???
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Before tripping knox, it belong to samsung. But now after tripping knox, it belong to me. Of course the device is from samsung so I am going to say it belong to both of us.
what about your device? Does it belong to you or Samsung???
Hi, I love this phone, but root has spoiled me. There are so many things missing from my device that require root, the most important of all, my precious adblocker :crying:
I know about proxy ad blocking but that doesn't work very well..
My question is, if I do root my phone, will I be able to unroot it and make it look like it was never rooted in case I need to return it while its still in warranty? I was able to do that with my Galaxy S4 by resetting some counters and flashing stock ROM, warranty guys didn't find out and I got my phone replaced. I'm not sure this will be the case with S7 Edge though, maybe Samsung found out ways to make this harder, I searched through google and I found no answers to this question.
re: un-rooting
KoKauH said:
Hi, I love this phone, but root has spoiled me. There are so many things missing from my device that require root, the most important of all, my precious adblocker :crying:
I know about proxy ad blocking but that doesn't work very well..
My question is, if I do root my phone, will I be able to unroot it and make it look like it was never rooted in case I need to return it while its still in warranty? I was able to do that with my Galaxy S4 by resetting some counters and flashing stock ROM, warranty guys didn't find out and I got my phone replaced. I'm not sure this will be the case with S7 Edge though, maybe Samsung found out ways to make this harder, I searched through google and I found no answers to this question.
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After rooting if you want to unroot all you do is go
into your app drawer and uninstall the supersu app
and reboot the phone and you will be unrooted.
Don't worry about warranty, they don't even check
for root.
Good luck,
Have a great day!
Misterjunky said:
After rooting if you want to unroot all you do is
using a file manager or explorer go into your
app drawer and uninstall the supersu app and
reboot the phone and you will be unrooted.
Don't worry about warranty, they don't even check
for root.
Good luck,
Have a great day!
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That differs from country to country.
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Misterjunky said:
After rooting if you want to unroot all you do is
using a file manager or explorer go into your
app drawer and uninstall the supersu app and
reboot the phone and you will be unrooted.
Don't worry about warranty, they don't even check
for root.
Good luck,
Have a great day!
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Hmm, I'm not sure I want to risk it, I remember on my S4 there were some warnings while the phone boots - https://imgur.com/3Eoedfg , which had to be removed before I return it since all they had to do to check if the device is rooted is turning on the phone. Will I be able to do the same thing with S7 Edge?
when u root u trigger the knox counter, and there's no way to return it to 0
technically, with a knox counter 0x1 you already lose ur warranty, but not all countries look for that thing, so check how warranty works in your country
QBerto said:
when u root u trigger the knox counter, and there's no way to return it to 0
technically, with a knox counter 0x1 you already lose ur warranty, but not all countries look for that thing, so check how warranty works in your country
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Thanks for your answer, I'm not sure where to check for how warranties work in my country. When I search in google all I get is info on what Knox warranty void means. I live in London UK, and this is where I replaced my phone that was 0x1 on its KNOX counter which gives me a little hope that they do not check this.
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Thanks for your answer, I'm not sure where to check for how warranties work in my country. When I search in google all I get is info on what Knox warranty void means. I live in London UK, and this is where I replaced my phone that was 0x1 on its KNOX counter which gives me a little hope that they do not check this.
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Don't believe me because I'm not totally sure, but I remember a thread here a while ago (maybe a month after S7 came out) where this knox thing was discussed, and I'm pretty sure an user from UK said that in fact samsung uk doesn't check knox warranty, maybe looking for that thread helps you, the thread was somthing about rooting or knox warranty
QBerto said:
Don't believe me because I'm not totally sure, but I remember a thread here a while ago (maybe a month after S7 came out) where this knox thing was discussed, and I'm pretty sure an user from UK said that in fact samsung uk doesn't check knox warranty, maybe looking for that thread helps you, the thread was somthing about rooting or knox warranty
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Thanks for your help, I will look for this thread but even if they check for it, I might end up rooting my phone soon anyway. I didn't believe life with stock could be that hard
Hi
Is there way to root S7 Edge with out loosing warranty? I tried to google it but didnt find any methods that are safe. By safe I mean something that does not remove warranty.
Currently there is no guaranteed way to root without losing warranty. There maybe a work around by doing systemless root but that is still in the beta stage and may not be perfected for a while.
There are countless threads regarding this issue. There is no way to root the Exynos S7 (Edge) without tripping Knox, thus warranty. Systemless root will NEVER root a Samsung without tripping Knox. Systemless root modifies the kernel to achieve root. This will ALWAYS trigger the Knox counter. Flashing modified image = tripping Knox.
Even flashing a custom recovery kills the warranty unfortunately . Anything without Samsung Signature or with modified code, will break the warranty. And Samsung Signature will be ignored after knox has been set to 0x1, this way Your phone won't reset itself after flashing official rom.
Sort answer: No
Long answer: There is not
Thanks.
I was wondering how tripping warranty works? Does it send something to Samsung servers? I was just wondering if it would be possible to add something in hosts file to prevent it from happening?
Or does anyone know the location of binary that check for signature? In that case one could just modify that binary to accept everything.
The reason I got interested in rooting is that I have some bloatware that I cant uninstall. Forexample some yahoo thing that consumed 12 MB of datatransfer. There is no way to take away it's permission, and there is no uninstall option and when I try to remove it with adb shell (using rm command in /system/app for that) it says file system is readonly.
sysctl said:
Thanks.
I was wondering how tripping warranty works? Does it send something to Samsung servers? I was just wondering if it would be possible to add something in hosts file to prevent it from happening?
Or does anyone know the location of binary that check for signature? In that case one could just modify that binary to accept everything.
The reason I got interested in rooting is that I have some bloatware that I cant uninstall. Forexample some yahoo thing that consumed 12 MB of datatransfer. There is no way to take away it's permission, and there is no uninstall option and when I try to remove it with adb shell (using rm command in /system/app for that) it says file system is readonly.
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Just disable yahoo, or install package disabler and disable all the bloat from there
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Just disable yahoo, or install package disabler and disable all the bloat from there
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There is no way to disable it I'll tried some uninstaller app and it did not manage to kill it..
sysctl said:
There is no way to disable it I'll tried some uninstaller app and it did not manage to kill it..
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ospolice.packagedisablerpro
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294
Both are working fine, but you can't delete it without root, just disable.
I love how Samsung have become everything I hated about Apple. I own an S7 Edge and I'm half considering selling it for a Xiaomi. I get equal warranty with a Xiaomi, but I can get the phone for like £100.
Seems to be confusion between tripping Knox and warranty here. You can't "trip warranty". In some countries, tripping Knox voids your warranty, but not all. I had my Edge+ fixed twice under warranty, no problem - informed the dealer that I'd removed Knox 30 minutes after purchase, they said it was fine. Same with my son's Note 3.
Unfortunately the only way to be sure is flash a recovery and/or root, bork your phone, and see what happens?
I had few questions raising in my mind:
1) Will ripping warranty also disable software updates?
2) How important is warranty for S7 Edge? Does this phone break easily? My friend told me that Samsung phones will have all kinds of defects and that I am very likely to need warranty, but what about S7 Edge? What's the chances that I need warranty in 2 years given that the phone was brand new when I brought it few months ago?
1) Rooting will break OTA update, so you will have to update software by flashing it manually (which is easy, but still)
2) You can never know. Had a Note 4, thought it would never fail, in the end it did and I needed warranty. That's why I am staying away from it on my S7 edge, too expensive in case of failure. And in my country they're strict with Knox
No way till now.
And in my country they're strict with Knox
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How do I get to know which countries are strict with Knox and which are not? So after rooting I get no updates at all or it only means I wont get automatically android 7 when Samsung decides to release it?
Isn't there way that I write something smart in hosts file and then Samsung wont get notified?
Ajshal said:
No way till now.
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Elaborate ?
sysctl said:
How do I get to know which countries are strict with Knox and which are not?
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By hearing experiences from users around the globe. There's no list or something
sysctl said:
So after rooting I get no updates at all or it only means I wont get automatically android 7 when Samsung decides to release it
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You don't get any OTA updates any more
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Isn't there way that I write something smart in hosts file and then Samsung wont get notified?
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Unnecessary, Samsung doesn't get notified online or over the Internet from your device
sysctl said:
How do I get to know which countries are strict with Knox and which are not? So after rooting I get no updates at all or it only means I wont get automatically android 7 when Samsung decides to release it?
Isn't there way that I write something smart in hosts file and then Samsung wont get notified?
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From my experience and hearing from users around the world, central and southern Europe seem to be very strict regarding warranty and tripped Knox. Some countries in eastern Europe, northern Europe are less strict about it.
The Arab peninsula doesn't seem to care at all about Knox and warranty. Don't know much about African countries. Heard users saying they do and don't care about a tripped Knox. Never heard about issues from the United States about warranty and tripped Knox.
Feel free to correct me.
1) Does it only mean no updates for samsung software or no update at all? I mean would it also breaks updates for lets say firefox or vlc or termux (which are not shipped by samsung)?
What do you mean by "flashing it manually" Like manually reinsali firefox when I want newer version of it? Or that I only have to flash manually when I want to update OS?
nitrous² said:
There are countless threads regarding this issue. There is no way to root the Exynos S7 (Edge) without tripping Knox, thus warranty. Systemless root will NEVER root a Samsung without tripping Knox. Systemless root modifies the kernel to achieve root. This will ALWAYS trigger the Knox counter. Flashing modified image = tripping Knox.
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What are side effects of tripping knox besides loosing warranty? Will i loose any features?
Hi,
Well I made it half a year without root but I want my adaway back. Adguard just doesn't work very well.
Is it in the meantime possible to root without triggering Knox? I don't really care that much anymore but if it was, I would go for it.
Also, can I root without having to format the phone?
Thanks!
fBx said:
Hi,
Well I made it half a year without root but I want my adaway back. Adguard just doesn't work very well.
Is it in the meantime possible to root without triggering Knox? I don't really care that much anymore but if it was, I would go for it.
Also, can I root without having to format the phone?
Thanks!
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You better not root if you wanna play safe on this side. and about the ad block, format onece and purchase a good anti virus (internet security) which doesn't even cost much. it'll prevent phising web page and adware away from your phone. although android is based on linux. so it won't be virus affected just yet. happy use.
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hasibgns said:
You better not root if you wanna play safe on this side. and about the ad block, format onece and purchase a good anti virus (internet security) which doesn't even cost much. it'll prevent phising web page and adware away from your phone. although android is based on linux. so it won't be virus affected just yet. happy use.
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By the way rooting means tripping the knox warranty forever.
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Soooo, root will Trigger Knox. Alright.
But can I root without having to Format?
fBx said:
Soooo, root will Trigger Knox. Alright.
But can I root without having to Format?
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Exactly
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fBx said:
Soooo, root will Trigger Knox. Alright.
But can I root without having to Format?
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yes, you can root without formatting your device. But knox will be tripped which could cause samsung/dealer to refuse to repair your phone.
Netguard from github is working nicely for adblocking without root
fBx said:
Hi,
Well I made it half a year without root but I want my adaway back. Adguard just doesn't work very well.
Is it in the meantime possible to root without triggering Knox? I don't really care that much anymore but if it was, I would go for it.
Also, can I root without having to format the phone?
Thanks!
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.getadhell.androidapp
Free
Or
https://disconnect.me
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Bluetoth10 said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.getadhell.androidapp
Free
Or
https://disconnect.me
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Thanks! The adhell thingy looks fine and seems to work. And it doesn't need a simulated VPN like Adguard.
Just installed adhell and it looks like it works very well. Any advantages of disconnect me?
I think there is a way to reset knox, but dont know, wether a link is allowed or not here!?
As long as it is no scam, why should it be forbidden?
McTaumel said:
I think there is a way to reset knox, but dont know, wether a link is allowed or not here!?
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There is no way to reset Knox.
Only way i know u can reset knox is by replacing the phones mainboard
McTaumel said:
I think there is a way to reset knox, but dont know, wether a link is allowed or not here!?
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It's not possible and ofc you can post links...
P.S. adhell > all... love it