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rumors of nexus S dual core

http://androidandme.com/2010/11/new...ped-new-dual-core-version-already-in-testing/
talks about tech crunches report on "serious hardware issues."
here's hoping!
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Dual core?
Now we're talking.

Hooray! Another thread on the same subject!

Rusty! said:
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Chill.
The other thread is locked now.
But on the subject....I could live with this phone.
Make sure its HSPA+ compatable though !

According to tmonews, it only supports up to 7.2/5.76 HSPA (not plus, sorry).
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/11/nexus-s-specs-leaked/

mingkee said:
According to tmonews, it only supports up to 7.2/5.76 HSPA (not plus, sorry).
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/11/nexus-s-specs-leaked/
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looks like you missed the main topic of this thread... there's a new Nexus S in the works with a newer cpu.. supposedly the dual core Orion from samsung. You are still talking about the old specs on the single core CPU. Maybe the change to Orion the radios will change also.

And maybe also the Nexus S will be able to transform into a transmitting device that can place cellular connections with other people that are scattered throughout the United States of America for the provider cost that is paid monthly and also be able to look up various information on the world wide web and display a H on the top of the taskbar which people will still assume is stock on all phones!!!!

I agree the specs of the original Nexus S made me really sad. The original Nexus set the standards for the year to come. Phones are still coming out with the same specs as the N1 even now! So I expect a Dual Core Processor with 32 gig internal running Tmo 4g 10mega pixel camera capable of 1080p 4'3 or bigger display ....have I left anything else out?....oh yeah Angry Birds comes standard

wondercoolguy said:
I agree the specs of the original Nexus S made me really sad. The original Nexus set the standards for the year to come. Phones are still coming out with the same specs as the N1 even now! So I expect a Dual Core Processor with 32 gig internal running Tmo 4g 10mega pixel camera capable of 1080p 4'3 or bigger display ....have I left anything else out?....oh yeah Angry Birds comes standard
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as long as its not 10mp of ****... id rather have 5 of quality than 10 of ****...
1080p recording is just obnoxious...
4.3inch screen is just obnoxious... if there is one thing samsung got right it was the 4inch screen

Nexus S - First Samsung Orion Smartphone?
http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/nexus-s/11523.html
By Sindre Lia, Friday 12 November 2010
The Nexus S is destined to become the first Samsung Orion smartphone, as in the first smartphone to make Hummingbird look old.
The Nexus One was a failure at all but one account: It brought new Android features to smartphone influencers and developers early throughout 2010. Having a star in your fleet of this kind is crucial, and nobody knows it better than Google. The days when you got straight answers from Google executives are long gone - they play ball like OS makers play ball now. We all get confused and then surprised. It's PR at its best and it makes smartphone influencers pay even more attention to what you're really up to.
The Nexus S by Samsung and Google will likely be the most powerful smartphone you've ever seen, as it'll likely be powered by the new Samsung Orion application processor. Its specs pretty much speaks for itself, and we guess the Nexus S will instantly be regarded as the new Android smartphone to be had amongst smartphone influencers and developers looking to get an early taste of new Android features throughout 2011 - and a lot should go wrong if they don't like it. Check out what the processor brings to the table here:
Designed using Samsung's 45 nanometer low-power process technology, Orion features a pair of 1GHz ARM Cortex A9 cores, each comes with a 32KB data cache and a 32KB instruction cache. Samsung also included a 1MB L2 cache to optimize CPU processing performance and provide fast context switching in a multi-tasking environment. In addition, the memory interface and bus architecture of Orion supports data intensive multimedia applications including full HD video playback and high speed 3D action games.
Samsung's new application processor incorporates a rich portfolio of advanced multimedia features implemented by hardware accelerators, such as video encoder/decoder that supports 30fps video playback and recording at 1080p full HD resolution. Using an enhanced graphics processing unit (GPU), the new processors are capable of delivering 5 times the 3D graphics performance over the previous processor generation from Samsung.
The Orion processor will let customers use different types of storage, including NAND flash, moviNAND, SSD or HDD providing both SATA, and eMMC interfaces. Customers can also choose their appropriate memory options including low power LPDDR2 or DDR3, which is commonly used for high performance. In addition, a GPS receiver baseband processor is embedded in the processor to seamlessly support location based services.
A mobile device using the Orion processor can simultaneously support two on-device display screens, while driving a third external display such as a TV or monitor, via an on-chip HDMI 1.3a interface.
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going_home said:
http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/nexus-s/11523.html
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Damn that sounds awesome. SetCPU better get working on a dual CPU version

SO NICE DESIGN !
plastic....but, lighter, never get "over-hit",safer from falls....

going_home said:
http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/nexus-s/11523.html
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Meh.
It isnt too exciting really. The things I want are a better physical design, improved build quality, vastly better battery life, at least iPhone 4 camera quality, proper multitouch, wireless inductive charging, 5ghz N wifi, HSPA+, higher resolution screen etc
Having a dual core processor doesnt do a thing for those issues (except the higher res screen, and even there a dual 1ghz processor is way overkill).

I thought i'd throw my 2cents is as a newb to the phone. I have probably wrestled with keeping it or selling it more than anyone these past two weeks of owning it. (in fact I actually advertised it with all accessories for sale, like stuff I bought thats on its way..but I've been having second thoughts).
Ok. For one, I was in awe of the Galaxy S, even though i hadn't seen one powered on in person. (Plus the girl I like mentioned it when we were talking about my "new phone" and asked if it was a Galaxy )
In all seriousness though, the discussions that got me leaning to the N1 noted:
- Form factor, form factor, form factor. Whether I like the specs or not, I have to like the bling (dare i say), or form factor in general. This phone just fits sweet in the pocket.
- In the other Nexus S thread, guys mentioned how they came back to their N1 after the Galaxy, and one chap mentioned how he's had his N1 for a year and it has no scratches without babying it. (I know from other HTC plastic phones that this can happen, and it does save you money in the long run by not wanting to buy "fresher" fones after 6 months, just based on the looks factor).
- Touchscreen. Yes it may not be as responsive as the Galaxy S, but I can live with it. And the more I think about it, I don't want to relearn how to flash and root a new device, and how to apply all the fixes. (i seriously spent a full week learning stuff for the N1 and thats a lot of investment).
And more applicably to the Nexus S. The first thing that struck me when I looked at it was it looked too bulgy. I gotta like the way my phone looks man and I gotta say after two weeks of owning this it is timeless and slim. AND i'm not just saying this, because I have a buyer already waiting ..who i've been procrastinating turning down. NEway, later for that ;P (I'll help him find a nice one on ebay tho)
one thing i realized without thinking about it too, is there is brand loyalty involved too. I never really realized this before until I saw you guys' sigs, and looked back. i have been an htc fan and never really noticed it. now I know why.
peace out, and have a good night.
PS: be careful when SMSing tonight! TGIFers! heh! Use your Winmo device like I do ;P and heed the SMS Random Selection fairy! ;P

Oh and whoever said the N1 is not good at gaming, might be right BUT i was highly impressed by quake3demo on the nexus one the other night, and really: im not much of a gamer (on my phones).

I play psx emu on there all the time. Its sweet!
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ROM_Guest said:
I thought i'd throw my 2cents is as a newb to the phone. I have probably wrestled with keeping it or selling it more than anyone these past two weeks of owning it. (in fact I actually advertised it with all accessories for sale, like stuff I bought thats on its way..but I've been having second thoughts).
Ok. For one, I was in awe of the Galaxy S, even though i hadn't seen one powered on in person. (Plus the girl I like mentioned it when we were talking about my "new phone" and asked if it was a Galaxy )
In all seriousness though, the discussions that got me leaning to the N1 noted:
- Form factor, form factor, form factor. Whether I like the specs or not, I have to like the bling (dare i say), or form factor in general. This phone just fits sweet in the pocket.
- In the other Nexus S thread, guys mentioned how they came back to their N1 after the Galaxy, and one chap mentioned how he's had his N1 for a year and it has no scratches without babying it. (I know from other HTC plastic phones that this can happen, and it does save you money in the long run by not wanting to buy "fresher" fones after 6 months, just based on the looks factor).
- Touchscreen. Yes it may not be as responsive as the Galaxy S, but I can live with it. And the more I think about it, I don't want to relearn how to flash and root a new device, and how to apply all the fixes. (i seriously spent a full week learning stuff for the N1 and thats a lot of investment).
And more applicably to the Nexus S. The first thing that struck me when I looked at it was it looked too bulgy. I gotta like the way my phone looks man and I gotta say after two weeks of owning this it is timeless and slim. AND i'm not just saying this, because I have a buyer already waiting ..who i've been procrastinating turning down. NEway, later for that ;P (I'll help him find a nice one on ebay tho)
one thing i realized without thinking about it too, is there is brand loyalty involved too. I never really realized this before until I saw you guys' sigs, and looked back. i have been an htc fan and never really noticed it. now I know why.
peace out, and have a good night.
PS: be careful when SMSing tonight! TGIFers! heh! Use your Winmo device like I do ;P and heed the SMS Random Selection fairy! ;P
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Keep in mind that any software related issues with the galaxy series would be non existant on a samsung made nexus phone.

jivemaster said:
Keep in mind that any software related issues with the galaxy series would be non existant on a samsung made nexus phone.
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Granted.
I would still wait, personally, for a nexus phone with the same form factor as this one. Too slim!

If it is really an orion cpu and can work on the same tzones/web2go plan then i would switch and give up the superior design of the nexus.

If it is licensed thru tmo, you will likely need a full data plan...
Afaik only the dev phones can pull this off as tmo has no record of the imei
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[Q] Potential !

Hey guys,
The setting:
So lets say hypothetically, the boot loader is cracked and we have custom Roms along with custom Kernels.
Now:
What is the potential of this phone?
...More specifically, do you guys think the Atrix will be at the top of the mobile world for years to come and be able to match up against newer dual core phones such as the HTC Pyramid, EVO 3D or the new Samsung and LG phones?
Would it be a worthwhile investment?
I'm curious as to whether this phone, if unlocked, will be the standard phone to compete against. Will all other phones coming out still be playing catchup?
I understand the specs, and understand that phones evolve rather quickly.... just curious as to others opinions and their view of the potential the Atrix has.
Thanks,
And lets hope the boot loader gets cracked soon

Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.

veshio said:
That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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it will be just like any other high end phone. old after 6-10 months.

neer2005 said:
Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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I'm completely with you on that
veshio said:
That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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Stuff gets more advanced. Theres no stopping it, theres no way to jump ahead. And theres already stuff about the quad core cortex a9 saying it could come as soon as Q3.
I think the Atrix could be a decent on top phone until 2012 max. Then it's most likely to be murdered by another really awesome phone.

Like other have said tech advances so fast now. with in 10 months there will be something as good if not better along. For example check this out
http://www.thebesthandphone.com/new-quad-core-processors-from-qualcomm.html
some time next year we will most likely see quad core phones on the market.

Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.

veshio said:
Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.
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well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.

I think the Atrix is a good platform for "potential" simply because it has everything everyone else is working towards PLUS a big 1930 MAH battery. We can learn to tweak things down the road, but that is one big battery considering how slim the phone is.

Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.

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Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.
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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.

aszrael1266 said:
Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.

The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%

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The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%
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I'd be careful of the update. I was getting similar battery life as you with 5-6 hours of display but now I struggle to get 24 hours with 2 hours of display (and I had to remove some apps like Beautiful Widgets and had to turn off my syncing).
My point on the battery life is no one (other than Apple) is trying to improve battery tech. I had the iPhone 4 before the Atrix and I was easily getting 40-50 hours of use and it only had a 1420mAh battery

aszrael1266 said:
well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.
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i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)

Its the software that can make a device great (40% hardware- 60% software). What good the specs are if the os can't utilize its full potential. One big example is motorola xoom and atrix. Im a bit sad that the mobile phone market is becomming more of a specs/hardware race. And the software is getting left behind. This has been a problem of android. Hope google and its hardware partners(samsung, htc, lg) would put great money into developing better updates for android so it can utilize the whole potential of the hardware rather than continously releasing new phones with premature softwares.
And yeah they should improve battery technoogy too...

G1-8701 said:
i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)
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This.
and some, like me, think the 4" screen is the perfect size while the 4.3" screen is too big. However, with all future phones, it just comes down to personal preference.

aszrael1266 said:
Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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live4nyy said:
Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.
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Wrong, wrong and wrong. Where do you get your information? The build of Froyo running on the Atrix has dual core support.

I see no faster on Atrix running Froyo at the moment. The speed is on par with SS GS and NS. But i rely on Motorola because i have had a few SS phones and all of them had hardware/build issues.

I think the phone will be relevant (to us anyway) for around 3 years, same as with last generations top tier phones.
What I think a lot of people here are confusing is, for the most part, relevance aslnd aactual pole position.
You have to talked into consideration how much better tthe next generation phone is, and whether or not that makes the previous generation actually obsolete or just dated.
For instance, I have the Nexus 1 right now and iI got it after I got the Captivate and Atrix. Yes the Atrix is a better phone on paper but it isn't THAT much better to make me want to get rid of my current phone.
I think, logically, that it will be the 2nd generation up that makes the former irrelevant (at this point). The Atrix and dual core phones announced aalready make the first first Gen smartphones (iPhone 1, HTC hero) extremely dated but the latter half (nexus 1, galaxy s, etc) are still relevant ttoday.
Of course you also have to factor in the applications that are being used and the network the phones are on. Right now, this instant, dual core phones aren't needed because of the speed of the network, light usage for CPU for browsing, and widespread video codecs.
Next year that might change.
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Upgrade available next June - what is on the horizon?

Hello XDA.
I figure I'm like many of you, got the Epic4G at launch, and we will have our full upgrade available from Sprint around June or so of 2012.
I'm looking on the horizon and seeing what's coming up in the way of technology, and trying to make a list of checkbox features I'll be looking for in my next phone.
Next generation SoC
Of all the SoC's coming up, the MSM8960 Krait from Qualcomm or the OMAP5 from TI are the only ones that I think I will want. Both manufactured at 28nm, should offer substantial performance and power characteristics over current generation offerings. From what I can gather, the OMAP5 will be the first SoC to use the small.BIG architecture from ARM, which sounds very good. Krait will rely on Qualcomm's use of asynchronous cores for power efficiency. In the end I expect the OMAP5 to be the better overall SoC but it seems like both companies will have competitive offerings. Qualcomm's GPU has generally lagged behind the PowerVR GPU's so it remains to be seen whether or not the higher clocked Adreno GPU will best the PowerVR offering in TI's SoC.
The overall tight integration with modem and GPS into the SoC is one area where Qualcomm will continue to have a large advantage. However the OMAP4 product in the Galaxy Nexus is still overall better to me than the 8x60 SoC in products like the Evo3D CDMA phone.
Like I said before though, either of these SoC's appear to be good bets for making its way into my next phone. The nvidia and Samsung SoC's seem to just be clock speed bumps of current gen tech. Seems like it will be hard for them to compete with the next gen stuff.
Screen size and resolution
I have large hands, so I have no problem using the 4.5" display on the SGSII. I'm positively drooling over the idea of having a 720p display. What I'm hoping becomes available is a 4.5" screen with a 720p display that is NOT pentile. I don't like the Pentile display on our Epic 4G, the difference between my screen and the SGSII screen is night and day. Even though my screen is smaller than the Epic 4G Touch, with the exact same resolution, the Epic 4G Touch appears to have far more resolution. The screen looks much better, even though it's much larger.
If I can't have 720p without pentile, I'll be looking for a qHD display without Pentile.
NFC
I live in LA. More and more places are offering this method of paying, and I would absolutely use it. Long term there are so many interesting ways of using this tech that I hope it becomes a standard feature on all phones in short order. The more people who can use it, will use it, and the more peopling using it will mean more uses and implementations of it.
Plus, that NFC Beam thing on the Galaxy Nexus looks a very cool and more useful than I had imagined it would be when I first heard of it.
Software Version
This is a big one, because I am really tired of the 'overlays' that all these OEM's put on the phones. I understand why they think they need them, but I honestly do not like any of them. The only one that I think is a 'functional' improvement over stock android is SenseUI, but it is so bloated and slow that it makes even fast phones feel dog slow [the Evo4G comes to mind].
So my preference is for a stock android experience out of the box, but unless things change quickly with the OEM's, it doesn't seem like that's the direction we are headed in.
Therefore my concern is that I'm always on a phone which will receive support for the most current CM version. The problem is that it seems as if there is no way to predict which phones will be good to develop for, and which ones won't.
This last point may mean that I'll have to wait quite some time before I upgrade, to wait to see which available phone gets CM9.
What things are important to you guys?

Definitely a slide out keyboard and by June/July I am also looking for quad core and LTE, preferably dual band with WiMax if possible. And a 4.6 inch Super Amoled screen. Hoping there is a flavor of Nexus that fits that bill. But these are rumors still. We will have to see.
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My upgrade is in June as well. LTE will be first priority on my next smartphone as I don't have WiMax in my area anyway. Next will be it better come with ICS pre-loaded.

As far as CyanogenMod support, nexus line is always a safe bet since, cyan us based off its stock software at the heart. More so based on google true asop, and the nexus just happens to run pure asop. No overlays.
Follow the leader @corythug

Tegra 3 should be out then.
Features:
Quad-Core A9
Companion A7 core for extremely low-power operation
Multi-core GPU with low-power operation
Definitely like being on this end of the upgrade cycle.
All the Evo 4G people should have upgraded by then, so I'll probably move to whatever their CM7 Devs have migrated to.

jnadke said:
Tegra 3 should be out then.
Features:
Quad-Core A9
Companion A7 core for extremely low-power operation
Multi-core GPU with low-power operation
Definitely like being on this end of the upgrade cycle.
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I really don't think quad core A9's will be better than dual core A15's [OMAP5]. It might be better in some cases than Krait, but more often than not, typical usage patterns will probably be faster with Krait. The GPU on Tegra3 looks really unimpressive from what I've seen so far. About equivalent to what is in galaxy nexus.
T3 not an option for me unless when it comes out the reviews indicate differently.

My next phone will at least have support for the upcoming LTE network.

CapsLockKey said:
My upgrade is in June as well. LTE will be first priority on my next smartphone as I don't have WiMax in my area anyway. Next will be it better come with ICS pre-loaded.
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Yep. 800smr and 1900 lte and 1x advanced along with a keyboard of course.

The love for the hard keyboard doesn't make sense to me.
If I have to write long emails I use my computer, and for everything else I prefer the soft keyboard.
I really like the feeling of non-slider phones in my hands, I like that they are thinner and more solid in construction.
Everything about the construction of the Epic feels cheap in comparison to a phone like the EVO4G.
I won't ever get another slider phone. I'll just get a 4.5" screen where the keyboard is crazy easy to use.

aestil said:
The love for the hard keyboard doesn't make sense to me.
If I have to write long emails I use my computer, and for everything else I prefer the soft keyboard.
I really like the feeling of non-slider phones in my hands, I like that they are thinner and more solid in construction.
Everything about the construction of the Epic feels cheap in comparison to a phone like the EVO4G.
I won't ever get another slider phone. I'll just get a 4.5" screen where the keyboard is crazy easy to use.
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The only thing I used the keyboard for is the gamegripper and I don't use it anymore
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I have an upgrade right now, and I'm holding out until something LTE hits.

I use the physical keyboard for virtually any message or text I need to input. I'm sure I could get used to the on screen keyboard again....but I really really like the physical keyboard. I only managed to force myself to type 5 words of this post on the on screen keyboard before I couldn't take it any more and slid open the keyboard
In terms of what's next, id like something smaller than the sgs2, I think its a bit large for my taste. Lte support (I tether on rare occassion). But I will almost certainly put aside what I want and buy whatever comes after the prime after my upgrade is available in dec 2012.

I still can't decide whether I've outgrown my need for a hardware keyboard. The Epic has worn down my dependence on them a lot due to its clumsy implementation. With the importance of pocketability (and not wanting to lose it if I add a case), I think I'd rather have a large screen thin device than a thicker handset small enough not to look ridiculous in my pocket.
I'm not sure I see any smartphone platform on the market effectively taking advantage of even dual-core CPUs in any impressive way over the next two years, so count me out of the quad-core drool. It reminds me too much of the Linux community ten years ago bragging about how their file systems supported HD sizes beyond anything we see even *now* while it was still a nightmare getting realistic hardware scenarios (sound/networking) working on par with the rest of the world. Android can boast quad-core all it wants, but until developers start making better code, we'll never escape the 'Android lag' none of our competing platforms (iOS/WinPho) have had to deal with.
Save the cores for tablets. It's called a smart phone--it should be about brains, not brawn. Get us more memory, more sophisticated code taking as much advantage of hardware as every other platform did a year ago, and features that DIFFERENTIATE us in ways that can be communicated to the lay folk in a 15 second ad spot. Functionality, user experience, how we interact with our device and how our device can interact with the world around us is 100x more important than any other spec when it comes to having a marketable platform.

I use my hardware keyboard all the time also. Just is so much easier and faster for me. I had an upgrade Oct first but am waiting to see what comes a long. My wife got the Epic touch.....and it sure is really nice, and I WANT to like it enough to get one also, I just think it would drive me crazy the first time I got really frustrated typing on screen and couldn't open my phone
I made it through about half of this on screen.....then couldn't take it and switched to hardware.
To each his own.
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a2tz said:
I use my hardware keyboard all the time also. Just is so much easier and faster for me. I had an upgrade Oct first but am waiting to see what comes a long. My wife got the Epic touch.....and it sure is really nice, and I WANT to like it enough to get one also, I just think it would drive me crazy the first time I got really frustrated typing on screen and couldn't open my phone
I made it through about half of this on screen.....then couldn't take it and switched to hardware.
To each his own.
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First off, what software keyboard are you using? Try Swiftkey X if you haven't already.
Secondly, being able to get an otterbox case for a phone is a priority to me for my next phone, so I won't be getting a slider phone. No chance.

Best bet is to wait till february/ march when all the electronics shows go down.
That's usually where they show what phones everyone is working on for the whole year.
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Motorola RAZR I Announced & Discussion Thread!

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theandroidrooter88 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7WUnQzFMp4&feature=plcp
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I think the "I" is on par with the S4 Dual-core, but hey, S4 Pro Quad-core are just around the corner, zzzzz....
Intel is a bit late on the cpu roadmap, they should put out more effort, yes i like the RAZR I, beautifully edge-to-edge,
but when will RAZR coming out with a 4.6 - 4.8inch Super Amoled with Quad-core(mostly S4 Pro)?:laugh:

This got me curious if it's able to put the RAZR i screen on the RAZR M? Because I have wanted to get rid of "Verizon" logo on front.
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Hell-Intimidator said:
This got me curious if it's able to put the RAZR i screen on the RAZR M? Because I have wanted to get rid of "Verizon" logo on front.
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You probably can. No reason why not.

Like the M in the US, Motorola gave everyone who attended a unit to take away.
I got one and must say it's quite amazing how powerful it is without killing the battery or running red hot. My current phone is a Xperia S and the i has instant camera startup (well, perhaps 0.5 seconds or even quicker) that really shows the Sony up.
Very impressed with the phone and what Intel might be doing in the next 12 months. They certainly seem like they can catch up fairly quick.
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Like the M in the US, Motorola gave everyone who attended a unit to take away.
I got one and must say it's quite amazing how powerful it is without killing the battery or running red hot. My current phone is a Xperia S and the i has instant camera startup (well, perhaps 0.5 seconds or even quicker) that really shows the Sony up.
Very impressed with the phone and what Intel might be doing in the next 12 months. They certainly seem like they can catch up fairly quick.
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Have you experienced any app incompatibility yet? That is my biggest concern with the Intel version.

The single-core Intel processor (at 2.0GHz [!!!]) in the RAZR i is about on par with the Snapdragon S3 @ 1.2 GHz. It's really bad by today's standards, going up against the S4, S4 Pro, and the Tegra 3 with half the clock speed and double/quadruple the cores. I honestly wouldn't recommend anything with an Intel processor to anyone until they get their stuff together. It honestly seems like the RAZR i is just a proof-of-concept phone, seeing it freeze while swiping between home screens in hands-on videos is pretty much unacceptable - that's the first thing every reviewer does looool.

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Have you experienced any app incompatibility yet? That is my biggest concern with the Intel version.
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Not yet, although I've obviously not tried everything on the Play store. If there's any specific app you want me to try, let me know.
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The single-core Intel processor (at 2.0GHz [!!!]) in the RAZR i is about on par with the Snapdragon S3 @ 1.2 GHz. It's really bad by today's standards, going up against the S4, S4 Pro, and the Tegra 3 with half the clock speed and double/quadruple the cores. I honestly wouldn't recommend anything with an Intel processor to anyone until they get their stuff together. It honestly seems like the RAZR i is just a proof-of-concept phone, seeing it freeze while swiping between home screens in hands-on videos is pretty much unacceptable - that's the first thing every reviewer does looool.
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I think the most important thing, speaking as an Xperia S user that has had a rollercoaster ride when it comes to battery life, is that the processor seems to conserve power very well. CPU Spy seems to show that the slowest speed is 600MHz (which is odd) but it manages to utilise deep sleep mode far better than my Sony does - and it does mean I can well believe you might get the 20 hours advertised for usage (not some fictitious standby time of 2 or 3 weeks that some manufacturers quote with the phone most likely being unused, in airplane mode).
Don't get me wrong, this isn't the fastest smartphone I've used (or even have in my possession) but it's quick and the 'lagging' issue on the launcher seems to be purely down to the launcher. It's not the standard Android launcher and I've had issues with Motorola launchers/home screens before. I intend to install the Nova launcher on it soon anyway, as I've got used to that on my Xperia S and other smartphones.
For the price (it's not top-end iPhone/GS3/HTC One X money), I think it's a really nice package. I really like the screen (forget thinking it's like the original RAZR where everything was dark or greeny/grey) and the tiny edging makes the phone really small. The camera is decent, and unbelievably quick to launch. Quick Launch was one of the key reasons for me getting and keeping the Xperia S, and this beats it - even if the image sensor is 'only' 8-megapixels.
Anyway, I'm continuing to test the phone out before writing my review (I don't believe in doing a review after 20 minutes to be first on the web, when it doesn't give time to pick up the niggles and annoyances) so I'll quite possibly have a different opinion over the weekend.

I ordered one, it will ship first week of October, I am trading the one x until hd European version arrives
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Ordered one as well, looking forward to working on this

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Not yet, although I've obviously not tried everything on the Play store. If there's any specific app you want me to try, let me know.
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Good to know. I don't have anything specific that I want tested at this time, but I'll let you know.
I'll just keep an eye on how things progress for this and the M over the next couple of months. If the I can provide roughly the same level of usability as far as app compatibility goes, I'll be interested in getting one. Getting an unlocked I will probably be a lot easier than attempting to make the Verizon M work on T-Mobile. Development support is a concern, too...I'm not sure how much work would be required to port ROMs for the Intel hardware vs. the standard Qualcomm stuff. I'm happy that these phones are getting a good amount of interest, though. That's more than I can say of most other phones that have appealed to me in the past. I have different tastes, apparently, but it looks like the world is finally catching up to me.

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Not yet, although I've obviously not tried everything on the Play store. If there's any specific app you want me to try, let me know.
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Can you please try installing Google Chrome? And tell us? I will buy this or one S and want to know.

konstask said:
Can you please try installing Google Chrome? And tell us? I will buy this or one S and want to know.
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Google said they are updating Chrome by the launch date to be compatible with x86 android devices.

Chrome doesn't install (says package invalid) but they did say at the launch it will be made to work properly.
I did think it would work though, just not be optimised. So that's the first thing that doesn't work I have tried.

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Chrome doesn't install (says package invalid) but they did say at the launch it will be made to work properly.
I did think it would work though, just not be optimised. So that's the first thing that doesn't work I have tried.
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Check your PM's when you get the chance

Thanks for that, didn't get any notification (using Tapatalk with them turned off).
Also, I use Dolphin browser and that works fine.

Does somebody know if M will be available in Europe. Or it will be just I? May be M will be available just in small countries like Scandinavia?

Depends on what the operators want. Much of Scandinavia has LTE, so perhaps the M will be sold if it supports the right frequencies?
You will be able to be able to buy it SIM free otherwise.

Just got this press release;
We hope you are continuing to enjoy your Motorola RAZR™ i device with Intel Inside® and an edge-to-edge display!
As you know, the version you received at the event was a pre-released unit and therefore some system updates were to be provided following press launch.
We are now pleased to announce the availability of Chrome for Android on Intel x86 devices, available for download on Google Play and from the Google Play Store on your Motorola RAZR i. This smartphone puts the Google universe in your hand and now you’ll now be able to experience the speed, security, and simplicity of Chrome.
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Nice! I also saw that.
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Moto X vs other high end devices.

After seeing how well the Moto X performs, I have to wonder is there any real point in constantly making phones that use faster chips such as the snapdragon 600 or 800 when Motorola proves that they can do the same on a dual core S4? Or has the spec race always been pointless and only caters to the desire of the consumer to have the "best." I own both the Moto X and a Google edition HTC One, and despite how much "higher end" the One is, I feel like the Moto X is the better device. Will other manufacturers start doing what Motorola is doing with the deep software-hardware integration, or will they continue to rely on the most cutting edge hardware?
Current Devices: Moto X, HTC One Google Edition, Oppo Find 5

All Moto did was out together an almost bare bones stock phone and focus on what really matters and has high impact for most people. Granted, the motoX may not be for everyone, depending on whether they prefer a larger screen or perform heavier tasks that may be better handled with a quadcore cpu. But for the majority, motoX is about as clean as it gets to being pure stock Android without bloaty oem launchers or UI tweaks. It comes with just a few custom moto apps that people will actually use more than once compared to the gimmicky features that come. Things like gif creators or nfc bump file transfers are of no use to me. But something like active notifications and moto assist is something going I and most others can use everyday.
So to answer your question, spec race isn't over yet, but I think there will be rush from Samsung and HTC to try to close the gap and duplicate the moto apps. There definitely will be an increased emphasis on user experience from here on out as consumers start to realize that cutting edge specs doesn't always translate to best experience.

Psilocin said:
All Moto did was out together an almost bare bones stock phone and focus on what really matters and has high impact for most people. Granted, the motoX may not be for everyone, depending on whether they prefer a larger screen or perform heavier tasks that may be better handled with a quadcore cpu. But for the majority, motoX is about as clean as it gets to being pure stock Android without bloaty oem launchers or UI tweaks. It comes with just a few custom moto apps that people will actually use more than once compared to the gimmicky features that come. Things like gif creators or nfc bump file transfers are of no use to me. But something like active notifications and moto assist is something going I and most others can use everyday.
So to answer your question, spec race isn't over yet, but I think there will be rush from Samsung and HTC to try to close the gap and duplicate the moto apps. There definitely will be an increased emphasis on user experience from here on out as consumers start to realize that cutting edge specs doesn't always translate to best experience.
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Truth be told the Moto X isn’t stock, it just has the stock UI on top of a relatively standard Motorola software build, but it does have a heck of a lot less of the operator preload crapware that normally shows up on Android phones sold with a subsidy these days.
http://anandtech.com/show/7235/moto-x-review/3

Strike9172 said:
After seeing how well the Moto X performs, I have to wonder is there any real point in constantly making phones that use faster chips such as the snapdragon 600 or 800 when Motorola proves that they can do the same on a dual core S4? Or has the spec race always been pointless and only caters to the desire of the consumer to have the "best." I own both the Moto X and a Google edition HTC One, and despite how much "higher end" the One is, I feel like the Moto X is the better device. Will other manufacturers start doing what Motorola is doing with the deep software-hardware integration, or will they continue to rely on the most cutting edge hardware?
Current Devices: Moto X, HTC One Google Edition, Oppo Find 5
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this is the same conversation that happened with computers and clock speed/cores a few years ago. more cores and higher clock speeds come to a point of diminishing returns and optimization is necessary to grow performance at that point.

This won't stop the spec race.
When OEMs realize price is what will win the "war", not specs, we'll finally get somewhere.

Maybe its just me, but I dont get what people are doing with their phones that they need such high spec'ed devices. When I look at a device I look for snapiness, response, and overall usability. Most phones achieve this by optimizing their custom software on the device. Its not about the specs people, its about how you make the software to interact with the device specs. I love my Moto X, as a matter of fact, I took back my S4 Active for it. S4 active is so full of bloatware, it reminds me of my mothers computer everytie she asks me to fix it, it has at least 6-7 toolbars in IE, and you can barely search anything. Some options are great on devices like the S4, but when you stick to simplicity, things work way better. My Moto X has been invaluable to me so far in terms of battery life, and touchless controls. Yes I use them, while driving. Convenient and safe for me and my family.
Just my 2 cents...

Coming from the S4 Active and the HTC One before that I can honestly say that this is the best Android phone I've ever used. It is every bit as fast as those two, if not faster, but even smoother with absolutely zero lag. Couple the amazing performance with the perfect physical design and you've got the Android phone that all others aspired to be but fell short. Screw the spec war, what Motorola did with this phone is nothing short of outstanding. I feel like this is the smart phone I've always wanted. Now if only I can get this crappy battery life figured out...
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Even if u put 8 cores (which they're doing) on a touchwiz phone, its still gonna be laggy in some areas! I had the One before this phone and that was much better but still had some hiccups! To my surprise, I haven't experienced any hiccups on the X yet but obviously having stock android helps a lot! Not a lot of the ram is being used up and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this phone use Motorola's new x8 core structure which is really awesome!
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I think it compares to 'higher' end devices just fine. People are knocking it saying it's last year's specs but there was an article I read about the whole S4 pro/600 and there was a guy who is very knowledgeable when it comes to CPU's and he even said he is confused as to what makes a 600 a 600 and what makes a pro a pro. He said they are basically exactly the same from an architecture stand point. He even stated he thinks what makes a 600 a 600 and a pro a pro is the clock speed. I have the HTC One, the X and the Oppo Find 5. I'm pleasantly surprised how well the X runs. This phone is no slouch and I wouldn't consider it a mid range device. (I did consider it one before I owned one) don't get me wrong I still love my HTC one, I also love my find 5 but my X is my new love so she has been getting all the attention lately. Hehe
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I recently sold my HTC one, and plan on returning my droid maxx once the moto x arrives. I love the way the x feels in hand. I'm going to miss the battery on the max though.
I think the processor is underrated and think motorola put out a great lone of phones this year and it will only lead to better phones in the future
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The only time I could see this phone falling behind is if apps begin to fully utilize four cores, but to be honest, I'd take 2 high power cores over 4 low power cores any day. Sadly, the cores in the X aren't anything over the top and probably wouldn't out perform two of the cores from a snapdragon 800 (2.3ghz). I know on my desktop I have an AMD Athlon 64x4 @2.8ghz that performs about the same as my i5 2450m @2.5ghz (turbo and almost always at 3.1ghz). As soon as I get an application that can't utilize all 4 cores the performance is nearly halved when compared to the i5 and makes it seem like a dog. As I said though, it's no suprise that this phone performs as good or even better than "more powerful" devices. I mean, I just can't see flipping through home pages and what not requiring anything more than a decent dual core processor. Optimization is key, and throwing more cores at it won't help.

I suppose my Nexus 4 is no longer a high-end phone. But still, it is not that bad yet after having MOTO X, I hardly touch my N4 anymore for two major reasons: touchless control and the compact size of MOTO. The screen size is the same, but the phone size ain't. Additionally, N4, to me at least, has a wired headphone jack. MOTO X has it in the middle, much easier to hold.
And of course, the dimple
The only super major huge disappointment is the MOTO X's camera. Oh my goodness, magic tweak twice to wake up this crappy camera?
That said, X is more than enough to impress average consumers. It is definitely not for geeks and spec-lovers

I have a Xperia S and I am tempted to buy a moot x what do you think it's good idea? Does it worth it? I know that the camera of the MotoX takes "funeral mode" photos compared to the Xperia S
I saw that the performance it's great but I still don't know
Help
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I get no lag with any of my apps with the dual cores, even the store models and I noticed the other store models did struggle at times. Reminds me of when the HTC Vivid came out, as one of the first dual core phones....no one could use it to the full potential, so I think the Quad Cores should be better utilized in the next generation of phones, but Moto X has more than enough power right now.

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Even if u put 8 cores (which they're doing) on a touchwiz phone, its still gonna be laggy in some areas! I had the One before this phone and that was much better but still had some hiccups! To my surprise, I haven't experienced any hiccups on the X yet but obviously having stock android helps a lot! Not a lot of the ram is being used up and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this phone use Motorola's new x8 core structure which is really awesome!
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No need to lie, the HTC One does hiccup at all.. With that said, I'm considering going to the X simply because of battery life. I just feel like I will miss the aluminum, front speakers and camera.

I got the Moto X and love it. Everything runs smooth and fliud all throughout the system and apps. I'm selling my HTC One and GE S4 but am getting a Dev edition One. I really hope Google and Motorola keep making phones like this and this is just the beginning.