Adreno 320 vs PowerVR SGX544mp3 - Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi guys,
I want the s4 from day 1. Naturally I want the best version available and I'm concerned having done some research that the snapdragon SoC gpu isn't really comparable with the sxg 544mp3.
I know the phone isn't out yet so no spot on benchmarks, but does anyone know what type of difference the two gpus have?
Thanks
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PowerVR is clocked higher at 533mhz
Questions go b in q and a btw

Was expecting this thread for a very long time, curious to get some opinions on this. As per gsmarena and other few sites the adreno 320 on s4 is overclocked.
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I consider that PowerVr is going to be a lot more powerful even if Adreno is overclocked. Also admit that EA is going to release 16 high end games optimised for octa version. Moreover this gpu is used on ipads and ipad is a King of mobile gpu performance without a doubt. Let's wait for benches I'm sure scores will be about the same level as snapdragon 800 or a bit lower due to 500mhz difference
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can anyone give us more detailed informations please ?

beeboss said:
I consider that PowerVr is going to be a lot more powerful even if Adreno is overclocked. Also admit that EA is going to release 16 high end games optimised for octa version. Moreover this gpu is used on ipads and ipad is a King of mobile gpu performance without a doubt. Let's wait for benches I'm sure scores will be about the same level as snapdragon 800 or a bit lower due to 500mhz difference
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here is the 3dmark benchmark of the octa version(from ringhk):
Samsung Galaxy S4 (octa version)
10367 (default) / 6264 (extreme)
HTC One
10911 (default) / 6250 (extreme)
Sony Xperia Z
10256 (default) / 5804 (extreme)
LG Optimus G
7541 (default) / 4052 (extreme)
Oppo Find 5
8239 (default) / 5018 (extreme)

İ think PowerVR powerful but old technology it would have been better if Samsung chose PowerVR Rouge seriens or Mali T-658 example OpenGL-3.0

I'd say it doesn't matter, the only thing that struggles to run on the GS2 is VC, however that struggles to run smoothly on the HTC One and iPhone 5 as well, it's just poorly optimized. Really now the only difference between the 544 and 320 is bragging rights.....

frensel said:
here is the 3dmark benchmark of the octa version(from ringhk):
Samsung Galaxy S4 (octa version)
10367 (default) / 6264 (extreme)
HTC One
10911 (default) / 6250 (extreme)
Sony Xperia Z
10256 (default) / 5804 (extreme)
LG Optimus G
7541 (default) / 4052 (extreme)
Oppo Find 5
8239 (default) / 5018 (extreme)
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Don't know if it's a firmware thing, but the lg optimus g at my store is benchmarking just at 9000 on default. Forgot the extreme score.

So I gathered some information:
Qualcomm Adreno 320:
OpenGL ES = 3.0, 2.0 & 1.1
OpenCL = 1.2
SVGT = 1.2
EGL = 1.4
Direct3D Mobile
Direct Draw
GDI
Clock - 500Mhz
GFlops - 51.2
PowerVR SGX544 MP3:
OpenGL ES = 2.1 & 1.1
OpenCL = 1.1
SVGT = 1.1
DirectX = 9.0
Direct3D Mobile
PVR2D
OpenWF
Clock - 533Mhz
GFlops - 51.1
So both are almost the same.
Adreno 320 has more tech support whereas PowerVR has more Clock.
I don't know which one is better TBH.
Source 1: http://kyokojap.myweb.hinet.net/gpu_gflops/
Source 2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR
Source 3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imageon
Source 4: https://developer.qualcomm.com/discover/chipsets-and-modems/adreno-gpu
Source 5: http://pt.scribd.com/doc/27337782/Powervr-Sgx-Series5xt-Ip-Core-Family-1-0

Performance wise they both have their one ups. Performance per watt goes to the power vr chip. And it will likely be that way for awhile.
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Can someone tell me what is Powervr sgx544MP I plan on buying star 9500 and it specs says it has powervr sgx544MP what does the MP stand for?

ian619420 said:
Can someone tell me what is Powervr sgx544MP I plan on buying star 9500 and it specs says it has powervr sgx544MP what does the MP stand for?
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The mp is only designated qhen multiple cores so in this case, 3.
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The mp is only designated qhen multiple cores so in this case, 3.
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so it has 3 graphic cores?

ian619420 said:
so it has 3 graphic cores?
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yes!

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Overclock

Anyone kniw if this galaxy s phone has been overclocked and to what speed??
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I don't think it has been. Hope it will be as in going to be picking this up soon
I highly recommend reading this article. It describes everything about the hummingbird processor (Samsung Fascinates Processor) compaired against the snapdragon. This hummingbird sound like it has some potential for OC'ing. http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125
ritkit said:
I highly recommend reading this article. It describes everything about the hummingbird processor (Samsung Fascinates Processor) compaired against the snapdragon. This hummingbird sound like it has some potential for OC'ing.
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No offense but that link is worthless.
So far the benchmarks on GLBenchmark.com can let you compare any phones 3D graphics and it shows that the Captivate version of the Galaxy S completely destroys the competition in raw graphics power. I am more then sure that it was able to hit its 90Mt/s that your article said it could not hit!
From androidandme website.....
Apparently the Samsung Galaxy S features their new S5PC110 application processor which was announced last year. This processor contains an ARM Cortex-A8 core paired with a PowerVR SGX540 GPU
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It also goes on to talk about how powerful it is.
Here is a GPU comparison for some of the leading smartphones:
* Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7-14 million(?) triangles/sec
* Nexus One: Qualcomm QSD8x50 with Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
* iPhone 3G S: 600 MHz Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX535 = 7 million triangles/sec
* Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
And for comparison a few consoles:
* PS3: 250 million triangles/sec
* Xbox 360: 500 million triangles/sec
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Now according to this information, Samsung is basically stating that it is 3x faster then the iPhone 3Gs. If you head over to GLBenchmark's website and compare the 2, the Samsung Captivate is double the speed of the iPhone 3GS in most of the test (especially the GLBenchmark Pro ES 1.1 CPU Skinning which is their most rigorous test form what I've seen).
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND that the results @ GLBenchmark look to be user submitted, so some of these people will run the test with tons of apps and programs running, while others will stop all programs to run the test. But its a good start to see what a phone can do.
Been ocerclocked to 1.2. They say in the captivate forums that if the right person gets ahold of it, it could b oc'd to 1.6
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Mali-400 MP vs Adreno 220

Which is the better GPU and why ?
I'm not sure of the technical reasons why, maybe people are just going off benchmarks, but the general consensus is that Adreno 220 has better gaming performance.
However, unless you are planning some hardcore gaming; Mali-400 MP or GeForce ULP will be just fine.
MALI-400 MP is imo a faster GPU but it really lacks stuff needed to be a good GPU. Also on the low level some of the major 3d scores are even lower than Adreno 205. So the quality here sucks. It misses many compression texture formats so low compatibility. Most games will come up with a solution for that but with time and that time could really end the life cycle of the gs2. Mali 400 is slower than adreno 205 in Geometric Tests, Common Tests, Exponential Tests. Adreno 220 will be a slightly slower GPU in synthetic tests but with more compatibility, better quality from the lower level, more texture compression formats and will be compatible with all games since start as adreno gpu games are already abundant in the market. So its more like a Samung delivered the fastest GPU with major flaws. Here Adreno 220 is like ATI and Nvidia and Mali-400 is like any other generic GPU from another company. And Galaxy S 2 coming in tegra 2 would really mess up the compatibility of Mali-400 seeing that Mali will be missing the number of devices so Mali - 400 could be a left out here.
Right now the game here is a Faster GPU (by a small margin) vs a more Compatible GPU. Better - if u can wait with no definite future mali and if u want everything now and in future its adreno
With CF working on compat I wouldnt be surprised if we're all playing Tegra Zone next month.
bilboa1 said:
With CF working on compat I wouldnt be surprised if we're all playing Tegra Zone next month.
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I agree. (10char)
Samsung's Galaxy S II Preliminary Performance: Mali-400MP Benchmarked 1Ghz Mali 400
Dual Core Snapdragon GPU Performance Explored - 1.5 GHz MSM8660 and Adreno 220 Benchmarks 1.5Ghz Adreno 220
Should give you a rough idea of what to expect.
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Samsung's Galaxy S II Preliminary Performance: Mali-400MP Benchmarked 1Ghz Mali 400
Dual Core Snapdragon GPU Performance Explored - 1.5 GHz MSM8660 and Adreno 220 Benchmarks 1.5Ghz Adreno 220
Should give you a rough idea of what to expect.
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No, it's not even close.
My Galaxy S II scores 42.2 fps in the same benchmark, Adreno scores an impressive 38 fps but this is with the CPU at 1.5GHz.
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Samsung's Galaxy S II Preliminary Performance: Mali-400MP Benchmarked 1Ghz Mali 400
Dual Core Snapdragon GPU Performance Explored - 1.5 GHz MSM8660 and Adreno 220 Benchmarks 1.5Ghz Adreno 220
Should give you a rough idea of what to expect.
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No, this one is not accurate.
Just look at the firmware, SGS2 was running Android2.3.1 at the time, it was not a retail device.
Retail SGS2 outperforms anything currently in GLbench.
"Originally Posted by iwantandroid
I cried when I lerned this phone i got from tmobile didnt have Android. Can sum1 help me get Android on my new G1 and then tel me how to jailbroke it please"
LOL OMG
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Samsung's Galaxy S II Preliminary Performance: Mali-400MP Benchmarked 1Ghz Mali 400
Dual Core Snapdragon GPU Performance Explored - 1.5 GHz MSM8660 and Adreno 220 Benchmarks 1.5Ghz Adreno 220
Should give you a rough idea of what to expect.
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these tests are kinda misleading, between non-final device/software and capped framerate
i'm a bit disappointed that it comes from anandtech since they usually try to have stuff all squared out on PCs ;-)
lol, you guys are very defensive about your phones, understandably.
What you should be able to ascertain though is that the 1Ghz Mali benchmarks are decent and you can expect better performance with it clocked at 1.2Ghz.
Conversely you should be able to see that the Adreno at 1.5Ghz, though impressive, will be less so clocked at 1Ghz like in the Sensation, which will also have a higher resolution screen.
I only provided the links so that people could make up their own mind by using the same logic.
Are you sure the Mali-400 is clocked at 1.2Ghz ?
Because when I overclocked my SGS2 to 1.5Ghz I saw a 25% performance increase in computing performance, but almost no increase at all in graphics performance (using GL Benchmark), so I thought the frequencies of the two were totally unrelated.
I dont know what the clock speeds of the GPU are, but CPU speed bumps will also help with 3D performance.
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I dont know what the clock speeds of the GOP are, but CPU speed bumps will also help with 3D performance.
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Well in my case it did not. I guess a dual core 1.2Ghz CPU is not a bottleneck on a smartphone lol.
Ive heard there are FPS caps on the Galaxy line, not sure how true this is, usually benchmarks should see an increase when handsets are overclocked.
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Ive heard there are FPS caps on the Galaxy line, not sure how true this is, usually benchmarks should see an increase when handsets are overclocked.
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its true for the sgs1 and 2 at least, frame rate is capped between 56 and 66 fps depending on kernels/versions etc
many benchmarks hit the cap (like quadrant)

Better GPU adreno 320 vs Power SGX 543 MP3 of iPhone 5

Hi friendns,
better GPU ? adreno 320 or power sgx 543 MP3 of iPhone 5?
The clock for core and total clock?
the iPhone 5 no mini lags very smonth ,nexus 4 little lag why?
Thanks!
Optimization
Tapalked with a Nexus⁴
IPhone also has lower resolution so it pushes fewer pixels and the os is different and very simple like bb10 or wp8.
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Gokh said:
Optimization
Tapalked with a Nexus⁴
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^This. The N4 has the superior GPU but apps are very well optimised to take full advantage of iOS.
Ace42 said:
IPhone also has lower resolution so it pushes fewer pixels and the os is different and very simple like bb10 or wp8.
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Benchmarks (which include off-screen tests so resolution doesn't matter) have shown that the N4 has the superior GPU. As stated above it's more to do with the app/game optimisation than the devices themselves. I don't think he means on the homescreen because my N4 at the very least has never stuttered here, but on occasion it does in games.
EDIT: See posts below, apparently I was wrong
The GPU iPhone 5 running @ 266 mhz for core have 3 core totally mhz ?
Thanks
allgsmnetwork said:
The GPU iPhone 5 running @ 266 mhz for core have 3 core totally mhz ?
Thanks
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Huh?
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I find it's normally crappy qualcomm governors that make games lag/jitter on android.
here are some very simple to apply settings...
ondemand, down_differential 30, up_threshhold 70 .. smooths everything out, app scrolling, games.. great on battery too.
also try to use a kernel without 'thalamos or whatever hotplugging mpdecision replacement' or you get that jitter effect at the end of scrolling screens when it slows to a stop.
Adreno 320 is the faster GPU but apple had iOS optimized for its CPU and GPU hence why its more smooth on games than Android since not all apps are optimized for it each CPU and GPU. Except the Nvidia's tegra and some games that have it optimized for Tegra.
blahblah13233 said:
Adreno 320 is the faster GPU but apple had iOS optimized for its CPU and GPU hence why its more smooth on games than Android since not all apps are optimized for it each CPU and GPU. Except the Nvidia's tegra and some games that have it optimized for Tegra.
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Don't be silly Imaginations makes the best GPUs, the SGX normally trump the competition. It's important to note the SGX 6 aka Rogue is suppose to come out some time and it will be the proper competition for Tegra 4 & Adreno 330.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review/2
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood
Ace42 said:
Don't be silly Imaginations makes the best GPUs, the SGX normally trump the competition. It's important to note the SGX 6 aka Rogue is suppose to come out some time and it will be the proper competition for Tegra 4 & Adreno 330.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review/2
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood
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Evidently I was wrong in my earlier post. However, I'm certain I remember seeing some benchmarks which favoured the N4 on YouTube, perhaps they were done on a custom ROM/Kernel or something.
Try enabling "force GPU rendering" in developer options.
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probabily in 5s seem gpu s4 power sgx 554 mp4 the best at moment
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Which one do you suggest when buying the S4 .... Snapdragon 600 or Exynos 5 Octa ?

I am planning to buy S4
But I'm not sure which is better
Snapdragon 600
1.9 Ghz
Quad Core Krait 300.
or
Exynos5
1.6 Ghz Octal Core
Quad Core Cortex A15 / Quad Core A7
4g and installing roms is not important to me
Which is better in terms of performance?
Which is better for gaming?
Which is better for battery life?
Octa for all.
tuxonhtc said:
Octa for all.
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why?
an9093 said:
why?
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processor is more stronger rather than spandragon
also exynos version will be global version so you can get update in time
but power vr sgx and adreno 320 is offering same result as a GPU
as a result i recommend you to buy exynos octa 5
any other suggestions?
an9093 said:
I am planning to buy S4
But I'm not sure which is better
Snapdragon 600
1.9 Ghz
Quad Core Krait 300.
or
Exynos5
1.6 Ghz Octal Core
Quad Core Cortex A15 / Quad Core A7
4g and installing roms is not important to me
Which is better in terms of performance?
Which is better for gaming?
Which is better for battery life?
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Performance wise the octa version will win on the CPU side and be on par , gaming the snapdragon will probably win cause it seems to becoming a standard on high end android Devices, battery will also be a tie, where the octa wins in low demanding tasks thanks to its a7, and the s600 win on higher demanding tasks cause the krait consume less then the a15.
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any other suggestions?
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any other suggestions?
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The above suggestions are not enough?
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Exynos 5 sweeps the floor with the snapdragon
nitinvaid said:
The above suggestions are not enough?
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not enough i want more
Blackwolf10 said:
Exynos 5 sweeps the floor with the snapdragon
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what do you mean ?
an9093 said:
what do you mean ?
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better cpu same gpu and better battery life faster updates the only thing snappy beats it is with Aosp rom support and 4G
an9093 said:
what do you mean ?
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Giving Samsung ready to make the sources available, you'd better off with the Snapdragon version because Qualcomm will release their sources well before Samsung does. Consequence:
Development for the i9505 (Snapdragon version) will take off while the Exynos version's development will be slower...
f.
Blackwolf10 said:
better cpu same gpu and better battery life faster updates the only thing snappy beats it is with Aosp rom support and 4G
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Stop saying GPU is same ! Adreno 320 sweeps the floor and even the windows with the ****ing PowerVR !!!
but Octa sweeps the floor with Qualcomm.
Both are important....cpu and gpu. But we have enough CPU in both. What sense makes to have huge CPU if you wouldn't be able to play or use some apps because of the old gpu without OpenGL ES 3.0 ?
demlasjr said:
Stop saying GPU is same ! Adreno 320 sweeps the floor and even the windows with the ****ing PowerVR !!!
but Octa sweeps the floor with Qualcomm.
Both are important....cpu and gpu. But we have enough CPU in both. What sense makes to have huge CPU if you wouldn't be able to play or use some apps because of the old gpu without OpenGL ES 3.0 ?
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you changed ur comment to neutral so i guess i can say that your right but still it's awesome to look like a boss on Antutu benchmarks
Blackwolf10 said:
you changed ur comment to neutral so i guess i can say that your right but still it's awesome to look like a boss on Antutu benchmarks
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Like a boss in Antutu and playing Angry Birds while Snapdragon 600 owners cries for being kings of the hills but playing new and high graphics games.
I found one more things which makes Exynos Octa better. The ram in Exynos is LPPDDR3 at 800MHz, which supports 12.8GB/s bandwidth, while S600 have LPPDDR3 at 600MHz (? not sure) but it's at 9.X GB/s (can't find this information
demlasjr said:
Like a boss in Antutu and playing Angry Birds while Snapdragon 600 owners cries for being kings of the hills but playing new and high graphics games.
I found one more things which makes Exynos Octa better. The ram in Exynos is LPPDDR3 at 800MHz, which supports 12.8GB/s bandwidth, while S600 have LPPDDR3 at 600MHz (? not sure) but it's at 9.X GB/s (can't find this information
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owh and angry birds friends is releasing soon
most of Ram is wasted on S-apps and features anyway and don't forget the wolfson audio chipset for exynos
Blackwolf10 said:
owh and angry birds friends is releasing soon
most of Ram is wasted on S-apps and features anyway and don't forget the wolfson audio chipset for exynos
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I know, even so I'm big fan of Yamaha Grand Piano (I own one), so...if the chip inside the Qualcomm is Yamaha isn't a problem for me.
The only thing that makes me angry about the PowerVR 544MP3 junk is the OpenGL ES 3.0. I'm not 100% what's the importance if it, but i'm sure that soon will be released many games with this support and PowerVR have an OpenGL ES 2.0 api which gives "extended support of OpenGL ES 3.0. However, if you want full 3.0 compliance choose PowerVR 6X Rogue".
WTF is that extended api does ? I want to see a OpenGL ES 3.0 benchmark (GLBenchmark promised to release one) of both, Adreno 320 and PowerVR 544
demlasjr said:
Like a boss in Antutu and playing Angry Birds while Snapdragon 600 owners cries for being kings of the hills but playing new and high graphics games.
I found one more things which makes Exynos Octa better. The ram in Exynos is LPPDDR3 at 800MHz, which supports 12.8GB/s bandwidth, while S600 have LPPDDR3 at 600MHz (? not sure) but it's at 9.X GB/s (can't find this information
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what is the bandwidth and how it makes the Exynos stronger ?
Eyxynos seems to be overheating (see relevant thread in Q&A)
A question once and for all: DOES THE 9500 support LTE/4G or NOT!? Because that's a deciding factor in my purchse. I live in Denmark. I mean definite yes or no should be possible right?
overheating + no LTE will definitely sway me towards the 9505, but it still seems to be too early to tell.

Galaxy Note III ----cpu and gpu

How many type of note 3 cpu and gpu
Which one is gud for performance and battery
Quad core 2.3 or 1.9 or 1.3 as I saw on gsmarena
What about gpu as well
What to choose
Note 3 will have snapdragon 800 cpu @ 2.3 ghz. Some will have the Exynos octa core @ 1.9. I will get the Sprint version so it's snapdragon for me
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nabilsweet007 said:
How many type of note 3 cpu and gpu
Which one is gud for performance and battery
Quad core 2.3 or 1.9 or 1.3 as I saw on gsmarena
What about gpu as well
What to choose
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As the person stated above N3 will come in two processors:
1. Slapdragon 800 @ 2.3 GHz (4 Krait cores- QUAD CORE) with Adreno 330 which can shoot 4k Videos @ 30 FPS.
2. Exynos 5420 with 8 cores- 4 A15 @ 1.9 GHz and 4 A7 @ 1.3 GHz. It will have Mali T628 MP6 GPU. However it wont shoot videos at 4k resolution.
Both of the GPUs will have OpenGL ES 3.0.
These stuffs can, you know, be obtained from top notch tech sites like gsmarena etc and with a quite bit of research hypothetically be answered.
But to answer your last question- it is too early to tell.
1. Lets see how the real world users say about daily usage in terms of Slapdragon 800 and Exynos.
2. Lets see how GSMArena turns out regarding battery endurance.
awesome smartphone
it will be interesting what the snapdragon will do. However its the highest end 800 not the regular 800 so optimalizing will be limited unless that one becomes mainstream. Tricky.
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