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OK I had the Hero, and the Google phones by HTC on other carriers all had the same problem whether on 1.5 or 1.6 they all wanted 2.0+, most were very delayed, some other companies, Motorolla, have botched updates as well.
That being said, I came from the Hero where I liked HTC, didn't like not having a keyboard on that phone sometimes. I find that Samsung seems to be about equal from my perspective, I am wondering why so many people here make them out to be the devil and make HTC sound wonderful. Do you really think they don't ever mess up updates there and all their phones are better? I'm sorta lost on that point, vs. almost any other Android company. As far as I'm concerned, having a friend who had the G3? on T-Mo then I got the Hero soon after, I have found Google to be the delay...that or every company does it...
Am I wrong somehow?
Android users will *****, moan and complain until their faces are blue. Google has trained us to expect software updates immediately since they release them so rapidly. And if the Android userbase doesnt have the latest and greatest on our phones within even a month of Google releasing the source code...they blow thru the roof.
I had the Hero as well...and I recall being on 1.5 and everyone *****ing about when we would get 2.0. HTC got brownie points because they got EVO users 2.2 so quickly while Epic owners sat in the corner and watched the cool kids move their apps to their SD card.
We will be getting 2.2 on Monday...and then we will want 2.3. Its a process that will never end...
And the end of the day...Android users are the biggest pains in the a double s's ever. They cry, complain and moan and the sense of entitlement they possess is ridiculous. Software updates take time to format for different phones running different systems. Patience doesnt exist though. Thanks to Google...
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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Im not concerned with froyo honestly. Im concerned with bug fixes for known problems
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Ditto. I could give a crap about froyo at this point. If it doesn't fix all the bugs and battery problems, who cares. Airplane mode toggle, GPS, exchange connection problems and battery drainage, and DRM batter drainage are my biggest complaints. To be honest with you I would be happy if they fixed those things, cause it's a pain to have to deal with all of that. There's no reason why you should have to do all this tweeking to get your phone to work semi decent!
OP, this is true. If I switch it will be for greatly increased dev support.
I'm reluctant only because I will really miss the camera. I bought the phone for the keyboard but it has proven itself fairly worthless compared to the blackberry keyboards I'm used to.
I'm nowhere near the most hungry person for this new OS version (seriously, it's JUST SOFTWARE) but I have to admit it just doesn't make sense that a company worth possibly hundreds of billions of dollars can't update their "flagship" phones faster than this.
Yes, we all know Sprint figures into the equation somehow, but they sure managed to get Froyo onto the Evo quickly, didn't they? You can't tell me HTC, which is a far smaller and less influential company than Samsung, had less technical hurdles to overcome. (Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.)
Now Samsung and Sprint may be more conservative for the Epic's care, but their lack of transparency as to why is the issue here. It's largely about lack of communication. Sure, you can argue they don't owe us anything insider-y, but because we look at the technology as vital and spend so much money we want to feel taken care of and be assured our devices have value, and are valued. The phone should be better with this new version, but we probably shouldn't expect miracles either.
I just think Samsung, for all its admirable qualities, needs to really re-evaluate their product support. They've come a long way in mobile phones, and I bought the Epic because I liked the previous "dumb phones" they made well enough, but they also have a long way to go. With their smarts and innovation, I think they will be able to successfully reform. But they can't simply look at the immediate bottom line--competition in technology is too fierce now, reputations can get destroyed quickly, and companies which tarnish their brand can pay dearly for their errors. Just yesterday you had phone makers like Nokia and RIM high on the heap, and even Microsoft's Windows Mobile was once considered a potentially serious player--look at them now, struggling. It can happen to Samsung as well. But they can still make good, and maybe are finally turning the corner here in the U.S.
Most updates take a while for them to be released. There are always bugs that need to be fixed and the bugs are not usually easy to be fixed. The specs are slightly better on some other manufacturer phones, but the AMOLED screen keeps me sticking with Samsung. That and the fact that their charging ports don't have issues with falling off the mainboard like the Evo. It took thousands of complaints for HTC to come out with a reinforced charging port when they released the Evo Shift, but they still have not gone back and changed their manufacturing process of the regular Evo to incorporate the reinforced charging ports.
It is much easier to explain to a customer that damaged their ribbon cable when they dropped their phone with the slide open than it is to explain to a customer that their charging port is a common complaint, but since it damaged the solder joints and contacts beneath the port, they now have to pay $100 for their deductible or get a new phone if they didn't have ERP or TEP.
I really don't care what OS version im on as long as there's no bugs
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My guess is that HTC makes better android software to beging with.
I owned 2 samsung phones(Behold2 and Epic) and one HTC phone(MyTouch Slide 3GS).
MyTouch with only 600mhz CPU,512 ram and no dedicated GPU ran android(with Sense overlay) so well that it was unbelivebale.
MyTouch Slide 3GS with stock rom ran so much smoother and lag-free than my Epic is with any rom(maybe with exeption of Syndicate).I know people will say that its due to MTS3gs's lower resolution,while that maybe partialy true I think its because HTC takes their time to optimize android to run smooth on their hardware and has better developers.Samsung does **** halfassed,why not hire some better developers and make you software as good as your hardware and be number one phone company in the world?
I bought MTS3gs at launch date with 2.1 on it and within 2 months they released 2.2 for it,keep in mind that MTS3gs was not a heavy hitter,all 4 networks,flagship phone like Galaxy S is.That makes me feel that HTC cares about their reputation not like Samsung.
While my Samsung phones are of better build quality I would go back to HTC in a heartbeat if they had Amoled screens,but after using Amoled on Behold2 and S Amoled on Epic I cant,lol.
And one last thing why I think HTC is better-They release their source quickly.Why do you think all Cyanogens,MIUI and best roms hit HTC so quickly?
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Yes, we all know Sprint figures into the equation somehow, but they sure managed to get Froyo onto the Evo quickly, didn't they? You can't tell me HTC, which is a far smaller and less influential company than Samsung, had less technical hurdles to overcome. (Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.)
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Uh, lets review history a little bit.
HTC is the manufacturer of the Nexus 1, the first phone to get Froyo. They received froyo before the release of the Nexus 1 so that they could write drivers. SIX MONTHS LATER, the EVO4g comes along running a SLIGHTLY different first generation snapdragon SOC. In fact, the EVO has near identical hardware to the HTC Incredible which was released a full month before the EVO.
So HTC had PLENTY of time to begin developing drivers for the EVO.
You are saying that Samsung didn't have more technical hurdles to overcome creating drivers for the first devices to use their hummingbird processor and PowerVR SGX 540 gpu than HTC which built the reference platform for Froyo 2.2 through their Nexus One?
The Evo has also received multiple small patches from HTC because their Froyo update was obviously rushed by Sprint so that they could run all of those annoying "first" ads.
Also, take a look at some of the issues people have had with the Evo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Evo_4G#Criticism
It has the same screen issues that my HTC TP2 had, which is the brightening in a small spot as an example.
HTC and Samsung are the same..the biggest difference is Sprint is Sprint released EVO as their June phone and wanted to be first to upgrade to 2.2 so they pushed HTC to upgrade faster...If you think about it they updated the international SGS at an ok time table (not the best but OK)..when it got to the carriers is when the issues started happening..
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My guess is that HTC makes better android software to beging with.
I owned 2 samsung phones(Behold2 and Epic) and one HTC phone(MyTouch Slide 3GS).
MyTouch with only 600mhz CPU,512 ram and no dedicated GPU ran android(with Sense overlay) so well that it was unbelivebale.
MyTouch Slide 3GS with stock rom ran so much smoother and lag-free than my Epic is with any rom(maybe with exeption of Syndicate).I know people will say that its due to MTS3gs's lower resolution,while that maybe partialy true I think its because HTC takes their time to optimize android to run smooth on their hardware and has better developers.Samsung does **** halfassed,why not hire some better developers and make you software as good as your hardware and be number one phone company in the world?
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The MT3GS is using the 600mhz snapdragon processor is it not..that processor is pretty much an under-clocked EVO and GPU is the same..add to it the lower resolution and there is no reason why it shouldnt run smoothly..anyways on my Epic though when running 2.1 stock I had it smoothly no matter what I was doing :/
I bought MTS3gs at launch date with 2.1 on it and within 2 months they released 2.2 for it,keep in mind that MTS3gs was not a heavy hitter,all 4 networks,flagship phone like Galaxy S is.That makes me feel that HTC cares about their reputation not like Samsung.
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The mytouch series is T-mobile's brand...when your "branded" by the carriers you get more love...
And one last thing why I think HTC is better-They release their source quickly.Why do you think all Cyanogens,MIUI and best roms hit HTC so quickly?
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?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?..we are talking about the same HTC right? for the record Samsung releases source same day or within a week usualy..HTC on the other hand still didnt release sources for many devices eve after people have been calling them for AGES to release them...
What makes HTC easier is many devs have worked with HTC phones for YEARS even before they had any protection on bootloaders or anything..we practically grew up with them..and with the N1 it contributed a lot as well..
See, I just don't believe any of that and ill tell you why; the myTouch 4g. That phone runs worse than my HERO did with stock software. And it does everything slow: pulling up the dialer, installing and loading apps, pulling up the market, everything. Its honestly probably one of the worst feeling phones I've ever used (that weren't running MotoBLUR... shutters) and even launcher pro couldn't salvage it.
The reason HTC is "better" than Samsung is just as TC said; people here have awfully selective memories. HTC is just as painfully slow at getting this done as everyone else, they just got paid a ton to get 2.2 (not even 2.2.1 which I believe it still doesn't even have) out for ONE phone and everyone just forgot. I can't wait for the Evo to take 9 years like every other phone to get gingerbread/ice cream sandwich so people can return to hating every company evenly.
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Most updates take a while for them to be released. There are always bugs that need to be fixed and the bugs are not usually easy to be fixed. The specs are slightly better on some other manufacturer phones, but the AMOLED screen keeps me sticking with Samsung.
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True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.
Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.
Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.
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True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.
Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.
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Wut?
Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.
Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.
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Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.
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Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.
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Wut?
Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.
Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.
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They haven't abandoned the 3g..it works by 2 years cycles..so 2g has been abandoned but 3g has not until the iphone 5...
That said it doesn't mean samsung has gave up on us completely..for all you know we may go up all the way to honeycomb and beyond...they just have been rather slow at it :/
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Why year after year do you see the same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones? Because Apple consumers are a cult made up of a certain type of people who are easily susceptible to being brainwashed by clever advertising and worship everything Steve Jobs says or does like he's the David Koresh of geekdom.
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Fixed. Half tongue-in-cheek, but half serious as well.
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Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.
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Sure, that sounds sensible except I might beg the question...why then not take us right to Gingerbread? ;-) Coincidentally I was at a Best Buy tonight and played with a Nexus S. It really is weird how it's so similar to the phone I'm typing this on right now, but Google's sponsorship of it changes so much on the software side...
Samsung hasnt confirmed that there would be a official android 4.0 update for samsung i9000. So does this mean we will not get it as a official update? Cuz there is alot of other samsung phones that have been confirmed.
The SGS is almost 2 yrs old,so I'm assuming Samsung might have given up on us.But then again,till it's confirmed,nobody can know for sure.Besides,even if the official ICS for SGS is out,we're gonna end using the custom ROM anyway
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Maybe if we make a few more threads about this we will get an answer? We're probably only 10-20 more threads away if we just keep at it.
Hopefully Samsung hears the pleads of i9000 users and gives us an official update so the devs have a Easyer time giving us the roms.
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I will look forward to getting an official answer to this question.. but SlvrWolf~XP makes a good point...
It will probably be unlikely for Samsung to update our Galaxy S i9000 to ICS since we've already gotten update TWICE (not many phone brand and models got such privilege, Eclair > Froyo > GingerBread). And Samsung may want to make both Galaxy S I and S II (with Nexus S) differentiated so that more people are encouraged to buy the newer phones...
I think SGS will not get ICS
Read today info from Samsung Mobile https://www.facebook.com/notes/sams...ch-upgrade-for-galaxy-devices/328795820483403
Yeah, they just announced on twitter too, seems like Galaxy S is not in the update list.
Well, a port from ICS on the Nexus S should work just fine.
I wonder what their reasons are for not updating the Galaxy S, obviously it's not platform limitations since the Nexus S got it, shame on Samsung, hope they loose lots of costumers .
(BTW I have a Nexus S but I'm pissed for Samsung's attitude!)
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shame on Samsung, hope they loose lots of costumers .
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Things is who are they going to lose customers to? HTC and Motorola phones from early-mid 2010 aren't going to get it either. The answer for updates is to get a Nexus phone from...oops.
The whole landscape of branded devices sucks not just Samsung, but I guess 'the grass is always greener' and people will just move to another manufacturer with little or no research into the facts of whether they are actually better for updates or not. If we take a look:
Moto announced a list of devices...not even the Atrix dual-core phone released in early 2011 was included, although it may be added. Anything from 2010 you can probably forget it.
On the HTC side the phone that came out at the same time as the SGS, at least around here, was the Desire. They had a heck of a time getting gingerbread to run on that apparently, ICS is probably out of the question, so no improvement there.
Basically anywhere I look only phones released within the last year are getting ICS officially. The grass isn't always greener, although I suspect many will jump over the fence without taking a very close look. Again the only real answer is a Nexus, unfortunately this iteration is a bit disappointing so myself I'm going to try and hold out for the next one although I admit at this point a year seems very far away.
and think of it from a business POV st's not good business practice to have complete support for an old platform, I mean look at MS the ONLY reason they still support XP is because of businesses, though that's slipping away furthermore 2 year contracts are common place for phones nowadays due to most being smartphone related so people who own the SGS back in 2010 are now due for an upgrade anyway so it won't bother the main bulk of consumers.
Personally I'm planning on waiting it out for the SGSIII so regardless the i9000 gets it for most is irrelevant.
Not a surprise for me and I don’t care what Sammy is doing.
Long live CM9
Well the thing is not other do... the thing is Galaxy S is still with a shi#y firmware after all this time. Not even on its "death" there is not a stock rom to make it perform as it should. Cmon' take a look at CM7... now imagine a Samsung built ROM based on it, even with all that crappy TouchWiz.. great camera, 720p recording, great battery life, fast as light.
Now... how can I buy another phone from them, knowing that maybe it will never work as it should. When SGS was released everybody said how fast it is, king of the hill... wth, it was crawling... Unfortunately, Samsung has Gorilla glass, has Amoled, low prices.... HTC has gread build quality, no Gorilla, no low prices, high performance....
Very disappointed by Samsung.
This is a high end device released in 2010 and already abandoned.
The S1 is perfectly compatible with ICS, this is pure business, or how to force
people to buy a new phone they don't need. Planned obsolescence, just like apple (but even Apple or HTC offer better software support...)
Of course there will be unofficial roms, but imho it's never the same quality as an official one.
Next time i'll choose an official google nexus device.
Samsung forgot his smart baby snif
Cyano is here, fortunatly, to give GS1 users a good Ics experience
Samsung lost me as a customer if they choose not to update the SGS. I've already said I'll never buy a Samsung phone in the past because of their lack of support and lack of timely updates, but this now goes to anything Samsung.
I have a Samsung laptop and a Samsung TV, both of which I'll be replacing with a newer model in the coming weeks, but now those replacements will not be Samsung models.
I wouldn't be upset if there was a hardware compatibility issue like lack of memory, but there isn't.
It's perfectly capable. As for this 18 month thing, fine. Let them use that. But my i9000m only has 2.3.3 while the rest of the world has 2.3.6. They stopped updating my phone a long time ago, so they didn't even give me 18 months since they stopped me at 2.3.3 with all it's problems.
HTC even gave some of their older phones gingerbread by scaling down HTC sense to accommodate hardware limitations. Yet Samsung won't with no limitations for ICS.
The Galaxy Nexus was a phone I was thinking about, but no longer. I'm not going to line Samsungs pockets anymore. I'll wait to do my upgrade to the Next Nexus that hopefully will be made by a different manufacturer.
Samsung screwed their update processes with the million incarnations of our phones. Updates are too hard and lengthy for them to complete because of this, so they are taking the easy way out.
Samsungs war with Apple? They just sent a lot of SGS owners their way. At least you know your phone well always get updates provided the hardware is capable, even if they have to scale it down like they did on the 3GS.
I for one will never buy Apple, but count me in the camp of never buying Samsung again too if I don't get ICS officially from them.
My apologies for my rant.
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Here i come apple, samsung made me to. 3GS is older than sgs and it runs iOS5 from this year. Something android phones can just dream on.
I agree with you Greeced.
The SGS has been well maintained to date.
But the samsung's update policy is just catastrophic.
In some countries, people don't even have an official gingerbread update trough Kies.
Samsung sold millions of SGS in the world (the device is still available in most countries). Their policy is unacceptable. And it's too easy to blame the operators.
Next time i'll choose an official google nexus phone (regardless of the manufacturer) because they are always good phones and it's a guarantee to have a long-term support.
To everyone that says "x company will lose sales", while that may be true, how many of the millions sold are used by people who have knowledge or interest in the latest android? Many buy the phone and enjoy it and use it, and just don't care or aren't particularly bothered by the update pattern.
What I find amazing is that the Galaxy S Plus isn't even on the list and that's what, 6 months old?
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Very disappointed by Samsung.
This is a high end device released in 2010 and already abandoned.
The S1 is perfectly compatible with ICS, this is pure business, or how to force
people to buy a new phone they don't need. Planned obsolescence, just like apple (but even Apple or HTC offer better software support...)
Of course there will be unofficial roms, but imho it's never the same quality as an official one.
Next time i'll choose an official google nexus device.
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I believe that is the mentality that they want the market to have...mission complete.
According to Phandroid, HTC will only have one phone for the year of 2013. Article can be found here: http://phandroid.com/2013/02/26/htc-one-flagship/
This is a smart move on HTCs part instead of having multiple versions. Hopefully software updates will come a little quicker because of this move.
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I've been think about this lately. HTC isn't as big as as its competition. If they're going to launch the same unit globally they will need to focus their resources on it to be able to fill orders. Especially if it takes off.
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I really do hope that's the case. I've always thought HTC is mad for releasing so many variants and what not in a short amount of time. Its about time HTC came to its senses (lol). I've been wishing this would happen and cursing HTC for the One line (X,S,V,X+) etc the one S was the better one out of all in my opinion overall but lack of a 32gb model I had to hold on to my sensation for longer. Hopefully the One will change that. Seems good by reviews so far. Let's see
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My question would be:
Is it truly a good thing they only release one device a year? Assuming the M7 is top spec for when it is released (which it is) -what is so wrong with releasing a M7+ at the end of the year with S800?
Why would people get offended or pissed off by this?
Personally I have absolutly no issue. If people want to purchase a M7 body with S800 (or whatever) in 6 months, I don't see a problem so long as its financially feasible for HTC.
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My question would be:
Is it truly a good thing they only release one device a year? Assuming the M7 is top spec for when it is released (which it is) -what is so wrong with releasing a M7+ at the end of the year with S800?
Why would people get offended or pissed off by this?
Personally I have absolutly no issue. If people want to purchase a M7 body with S800 (or whatever) in 6 months, I don't see a problem so long as its financially feasible for HTC.
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People deserve to have the latest smarphone from a particular OEM, for at least an year, and everyone can't buy new device for ~700$ every six months.
As to why this is good news for some people, it is sort of the way your top end automobile companies work (most for that matter).
Whether BMW, Mercedes, Audi, or whatever company: you have an expected timeframe of how long they will keep a car relatively the same without a major facelift (5-7 years). When you purchase an automobile from one of these companies, you know for an x number of years the car won't be different in any major ways (of course there are the yearly upgrades and all, but you guys know what I mean).
Well when you compare that to mobile devices-where it seems (and has really been set by Apple) that many companies give their flagship device a one year span, HTC doesn't. They have been doing refreshes half a year within the release of their flagship devices which makes some people feel like they paid all this money for a device that was outdated by the same company too quickly. Whereas Samsung and Apple have been on a one flagship a year schedule.
For most people who do upgrades and purchase a phone every two years, it is really irrelevant whether there is a refresh later in the year or not. But for others who purchase the devices unlocked and are smartphone addicts, it could lead to you purchasing from another company.
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People deserve to have the latest smarphone from a particular OEM, for at least an year, and everyone can't buy new device for ~700$ every six months.
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But again... why exactly do people need a new device every 6 months...? I still fail to understand this.
Lets say HTC makes a great device for H1. People purchase this device.
They later refresh 6 months later with a superior process (best H2 can offer).
What do the people who purchased the H1 device loose? Perhaps resale value, but other then that, they don't loose anything.
Again, I fail to understand what is wrong with HTCs model. If anything it is BETTER for consumers because it means better tech is being pushed out earlier, and new devices are cheaper, allowing more people access.
The car model isn't a valid comparison imo... The price difference, combined with the fact that between model years- little changes in terms of performance (whereas cell phones will not refresh without a power upgrade) , makes cars and cell phones too dissimilar to compare.
Apple releases 1 device a year because it maxamizes profit. Consumers are stupid enough to believe that this is good for them, which is something I disagree with.
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Ive read rumours before the m7 was announced about a m4 and q2.
So basically m7 high end, m4 middle, g2 low end. (all code names obv)
That to me is the perfect model htc should follow
http://htcsource.com/2013/02/new-images-reveal-a-familiar-looking-htc-m4/
http://htcsource.com/2013/02/htc-m4-and-g2-models-to-follow-the-m7-release/
I think so, this can creat a strong brand
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The one surely is a great device and has lot's of buyers but is it really good to release just one ultra-high-end device for around 600 euros? I don't know many people (except of me and some of my friends) who will pay this much for a phone or would like such a big screen (even if there are phones with bigger screens around) so i think htc should release at least a mid class model with for example a 4" screen and maybe a low class model too..
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The one surely is a great device and has lot's of buyers but is it really good to release just one ultra-high-end device for around 600 euros? I don't know many people (except of me and some of my friends) who will pay this much for a phone or would like such a big screen (even if there are phones with bigger screens around) so i think htc should release at least a mid class model with for example a 4" screen and maybe a low class model too..
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They will release lower/mid end devices for sure. I think they just want to release one HIGHEND device per year.
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nice device i would like to buy one
What the hell was so confusing about the HTC One family from last year? The flagship was the HTC One X. That was it. That was THE ONE. There was a supercharged one called the X+, but that was sensibly named with an extra +. Much like an iPhone that was 32GB or 64GB. It was still very much the same device. The One S was their midrange. The One V was their low-end. Three different price points, three different sizes. It was never customer confusion that caused HTC to not be as successful. It was just their crappy marketing and crappy availability. Since HTC is undoubtedly going to release lower tier phones besides THE ONE, they will be back in the same position they were in last year, meaning all this THE ONE crap is meaningless.
Samsung has a bajillion phones besides the Galaxy S III of all different sizes and specs that all have the same shiny marble rounded look and it has not hurt them in the least. In fact, the Note II and Ace are one of the highest sellers along with the GS3. The One X, S, and V were wildly more different from each other in looks. It's not a problem of confusion. It's a problem with marketing.
HTC is also driving themselves in a corner without releasing more high-end phones that cater to more corners of the smartphone space. Where is the Note II competitor? What about a small screen phone with high specs? There are plenty of people who think phones are getting to big and would want a smaller phone that has as much power as their bigger brethren. The other rather non-existent niche that no manufacturer is really pushing in the modern era is the cameraphone. Sure Nokia had the 808 Pureview, but that was more fanservice for the dying Symbian platform than anything else. HTC could delve into a competitor for the rumored Lumia EOS device. The area is fresh and fertile with almost no competitors. If they are bold enough to drop out of the megapixel race for "ultrapixels", they should be able to go bolder and say that cameras on phones are crap because the sensors are too small. For a minor bump in thickness, the phone being still very pocketable, you get a real camera! And a phone you can actually hold instead of a sliver of something that looks like it will bend in half.
If HTC can't handle just having one high-end phone, I'm really questioning their competence , considering they are still a multi-billion dollar company. Ideally they are using all the resources to make THE ONE the perfect device with perfect software and perfect hardware testing and perfect everything, dedicating more people to this one device than any other manufacturer would to their own flagships. The more cynical person would also wonder if HTC hadn't had a giant layoff after the poor results in 2012 and have just cut the teams for all the other phones. The easiest way to profitability is to fire your workers.
I think it's a very sensible move
They can focus on providing solid software updates
Nothing annoys people like buying a phone and having them release a slightly better model a few months later or even introducing a new flagship!
Sony have an issue of releasing too many phones and not knowing which is the true flagship, I think they're trying to follow a similar path this year.
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That’s not to say this will be the only high-end HTC smartphone of the year — HTC still has the mid-range sectors to target, as well as a Windows line to promote — but the HTC One will remain at the top of HTC’s totem pole.
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I just watched pocketnow on YouTube and they announced that another windows 8 device will be dropping from HTC this year. I don't think it will be a high end device though.
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HTC is also driving themselves in a corner without releasing more high-end phones that cater to more corners of the smartphone space. Where is the Note II competitor? What about a small screen phone with high specs? There are plenty of people who think phones are getting to big and would want a smaller phone that has as much power as their bigger brethren. The other rather non-existent niche that no manufacturer is really pushing in the modern era is the cameraphone. Sure Nokia had the 808 Pureview, but that was more fanservice for the dying Symbian platform than anything else. HTC could delve into a competitor for the rumored Lumia EOS device. The area is fresh and fertile with almost no competitors. If they are bold enough to drop out of the megapixel race for "ultrapixels", they should be able to go bolder and say that cameras on phones are crap because the sensors are too small. For a minor bump in thickness, the phone being still very pocketable, you get a real camera! And a phone you can actually hold instead of a sliver of something that looks like it will bend in half.
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I'd like that too - but I don't think they could do that now, because they'd be undermining their own marketing of the One if they come out and say "all smartphone cameras are crap - including the one on our flagship phone that it's one of its major selling points".
Veering wildly off-topic , something *I* think there's a niche for is a camera-oriented dumb phone. As it stands, if you want a new phone with an even half-way decent camera, you need to buy a high-end smartphone. There are many people (I suspect) who would love to see a device that is essentially a dedicated digital camera that can, as a secondary function, also send texts and make phone calls (but doesn't do smartphone stuff). There were some old Nokia and Sony Ericsson devices like that - the N93, for example - but no one seems to make them any more. I want a Xenon flash and a proper optical zoom.
Samsung Allegedly Concerned About Current Plastic Designs
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/04/13/samsung-plastic-designs/
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They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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EnIXmA said:
They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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Lol, +1, couldn't agree more
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They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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As much as I dont like the look of TWUI, it is the most functional skin of any skin. I quite like it to be honest.
And I love buttons too. Having used Nexus 4 for a while, you get used to the on screen buttons as way of life, but capacitive buttons still have their own benefits. If I am to have buttons, I would rather have it the way samsung does than the layout on One at the moment.
Frankly Samsung has done the right thing this time around. There is no point in producing a phone with premium material if you cannot produce it in enough quantity by maintaining the quality.
S4 will sell on specifications and features alone. Note 3 being more premium is right way to go. S4 is for masses really.
We are all seeing how much this delay with One is costing HTC. Not to mention QC issues we are seeing in initial batches.
To be honest this whole premium material thing only lasts for few days. I am OCD about my phones, they are kept in case, I dont really care if they use metal or not. If it feels good in hand, has good developer support, fast and decent battery life, I am golden.
I am going for One simply because of curiosity. I have been thoroughly disappointed by my last 2 HTC phones (One X and DNA).
I hope One bucks the trend.
I read this earlier, who knows if it's true. Seems like people just throw random stuff out in the hopes that it sticks. I mean, sooner or later something they say has to be right. I have always said that Samsung should buy HTC and let them design the hardware and let Samsung do the software. A match made in heaven.
Touchwiz on the One would make me ****ing puke.
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As much as I dont like the look of TWUI, it is the most functional skin of any skin. I quite like it to be honest.
And I love buttons too. Having used Nexus 4 for a while, you get used to the on screen buttons as way of life, but capacitive buttons still have their own benefits. If I am to have buttons, I would rather have it the way samsung does than the layout on One at the moment.
Frankly Samsung has done the right thing this time around. There is no point in producing a phone with premium material if you cannot produce it in enough quantity by maintaining the quality.
S4 will sell on specifications and features alone. Note 3 being more premium is right way to go. S4 is for masses really.
We are all seeing how much this delay with One is costing HTC. Not to mention QC issues we are seeing in initial batches.
To be honest this whole premium material thing only lasts for few days. I am OCD about my phones, they are kept in case, I dont really care if they use metal or not. If it feels good in hand, has good developer support, fast and decent battery life, I am golden.
I am going for One simply because of curiosity. I have been thoroughly disappointed by my last 2 HTC phones (One X and DNA).
I hope One bucks the trend.
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You are disappointed by the One X? Give me a break
Unless you are not aware QC issues were quickly sorted and the device is the most well and hastily supported device in HTC history, I bet you've jumped ship so early you have no idea what your are talking about
I said it again n again I prey HTC will drop the mainstream game and become solely aimed at upper end, boutique and more expensive, then we will be done with all this non sense
hamdir said:
You are disappointed by the One X? Give me a break
Unless you are not aware QC issues were quickly sorted and the device is the most well and hastily supported device in HTC history, I bet you've jumped ship so early you have no idea what your are talking about
I said it again n again I prey HTC will drop the mainstream game and become solely aimed at upper end, boutique and more expensive, then we will be done with all this non sense
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Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
Funkym0nkey said:
Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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I'm with you. Same story. Don't pay any attention to the other guy. He spews the same stuff over and over again.
As for Samsung, I'll believe it when I see it. I remember the S3 was supposed to be ceramic or something...
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What things no body is saying any good things its like a joy to just bash their devices for the stupidest of reasons
Give me a break, nothing besides the initial one x software and QC issues that you can call a disappointment, sorted in just 2 months, otherwise its now one of the best smartphones ever created
No body is screwing any body it's the life long story of early electronics adopters, nothing new and nothing specific to HTC
But alas like I said if we slab any other logo on their devices it would have been another story
hamdir said:
What things no body is saying any good things its like a joy to just bash their devices for the stupidest of reasons
Give me a break, nothing besides the initial one x software and QC issues that you can call a disappointment, sorted in just 2 months, otherwise its now one of the best smartphones ever created
No body is screwing any body it's the life long story of early electronics adopters, nothing new and nothing specific to HTC
But alas like I said if we slab any other logo on their devices it would have been another story
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I'd say battery life is a disappointment. My camera lens was scuffed within a week because of the design. My unit also had the Wi-Fi hardware defect. It has nothing to do with the HTC logo. I scrapped the Nexus 4 because of the weak glass too.
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Samsung Allegedly Concerned About Current Plastic Designs
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As with all news coming from "our sources," take in to account who's putting the story out. All the sites are just quoting SamMobile which HTC's lucky not to have an equivelant of on their "team." The further out the news is, the more frequently SamMobile's wrong.
BREAKING: Samsung ditches own AMOLED and EXYNOS inside new Galaxy S IV
Posted by DannyD on 23 February 2013 at 10:01
Yes you just read the title of this message right. Our insider just gave us the first official “unconfirmed” specifications of the next generation Galaxy S, the Galaxy S IV. The Galaxy S IV will no longer use the Samsung EXYNOS processor and according to the latest rumours this processor has overheating issues. Today we can confirm Samsung will use the Snapdragon 600 and it is clocked at 1.9 Ghz which is 0.2 Ghz higher than the HTC One. The Galaxy S IV will have 2 GB of RAM and will come in three variants 16, 32 or 64 GB. As the rumours earlier reported Samsung is going to use a Full HD display. The Galaxy S IV uses a 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display we have no information if this is based on LCD3 like the HTC One. But a couple of months ago we posted the first hint regarding Samsung’s LCD factory is ready to produce Full HD panels from early 2013. And we also know Samsung’s AMOLED factory does have many problems with the production of full HD AMOLED screens.
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/23...xynos-inside-new-galaxy-s-iv-with-bootscreen/
Funkym0nkey said:
Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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Epic post, I feel the exact same way as I have used many phones from many different manufacturers, even different OS. The folks that enjoy tech the most are those that keep an open mind and see good things in all brands, not the close minded that are stubborn, in fact they are the most unhappy.
Funkym0nkey said:
Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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I agree completely. Loyalty is the quality of the ignorant consumer. The smart consumer is never loyal to any brand; he goes to whichever product is best for him regardless of who manufactured it.
MohJee said:
I agree completely. Loyalty is the quality of the ignorant consumer. The smart consumer is never loyal to any brand; he goes to whichever product is best for him regardless of who manufactured it.
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And what of companies failing in CSR? Would you still buy their product just because it is the best? This is only one example. A smart consumer can also be loyal. In fact, a smart consumer should be loyal.
ataft said:
And what of companies failing in CSR? Would you still buy their product just because it is the best? This is only one example. A smart consumer can also be loyal. In fact, a smart consumer should be loyal.
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Well I guess we all went way OT lol but one last point. You're right, being a loyal consumer is a good thing ( although I disagree that you should be like you mentioned, it's a personal choice). The issue is that some consumers are loyal to one brand and dismiss or try to discredit other brands or one brand in particular(definition of a fanboy), that's the issue that we are discussing.
Competition is always good and if HTC forces Samsung to up the game and use better materials then that is all good in my opinion.
BarryH_GEG said:
As with all news coming from "our sources," take in to account who's putting the story out. All the sites are just quoting SamMobile which HTC's lucky not to have an equivelant of on their "team." The further out the news is, the more frequently SamMobile's wrong.
BREAKING: Samsung ditches own AMOLED and EXYNOS inside new Galaxy S IV
Posted by DannyD on 23 February 2013 at 10:01
Yes you just read the title of this message right. Our insider just gave us the first official “unconfirmed” specifications of the next generation Galaxy S, the Galaxy S IV. The Galaxy S IV will no longer use the Samsung EXYNOS processor and according to the latest rumours this processor has overheating issues. Today we can confirm Samsung will use the Snapdragon 600 and it is clocked at 1.9 Ghz which is 0.2 Ghz higher than the HTC One. The Galaxy S IV will have 2 GB of RAM and will come in three variants 16, 32 or 64 GB. As the rumours earlier reported Samsung is going to use a Full HD display. The Galaxy S IV uses a 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display we have no information if this is based on LCD3 like the HTC One. But a couple of months ago we posted the first hint regarding Samsung’s LCD factory is ready to produce Full HD panels from early 2013. And we also know Samsung’s AMOLED factory does have many problems with the production of full HD AMOLED screens.
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/23...xynos-inside-new-galaxy-s-iv-with-bootscreen/
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There was a real image of an LCD S4 prototype. My friend said he had seen 3 different S4 prototypes. And the article of OP also mentioned about the metal prototype of S4.
And for the question about the touchwiz, I'm sure MultiWindow is the desire of any smartphone user (more or less, but I think nobody doesn't want it in their phone)
Build quality goes out the window when you put a decent case on your phone so who cares man.
daleski75 said:
Competition is always good and if HTC forces Samsung to up the game and use better materials then that is all good in my opinion.
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Competition is the mother of innovation. Personally I set my top criteria when looking for a new phone: will it feel
robust in my hand. This always leads me back to aluminium (granted, 2nd criteria is: Not Apple)
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And for the question about the touchwiz, I'm sure MultiWindow is the desire of any smartphone user (more or less, but I think nobody doesn't want it in their phone)
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I certainly don't want multi-window on any platform below 8 inches. No matter what res you're running there just isn't enough physical realestate (that chat-head that FB messenger pushed out is getting disabled! There's no part of the screen it WON'T get in the way)
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Idk if you guys have noticed but HTC is declining at an alarming rate http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/08/13/htc-cuts-15-of-its-workforce-as-it-battles-poor-sales/ and they're worthless http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/10/htc-is-now-essentially-worthless-and-insecure/#.lb8fpr:0sl9 . So do you guys think HTC is doomed or will they make a comeback?
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Idk if you guys have noticed but HTC is declining at an alarming rate http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/08/13/htc-cuts-15-of-its-workforce-as-it-battles-poor-sales/ and they're worthless http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/10/htc-is-now-essentially-worthless-and-insecure/#.lb8fpr:0sl9 . So do you guys think HTC is doomed or will they make a comeback?
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LOL I read those same links and came up with a different conclusion than you..........................................
In the short term profits are non existent, but that does not mean they are down and out.
Look at most of the USA's motor manufacturers, they were in the same boat not to long back
It's funny you mention this. I was displaying something at work the other day to a coworker and a few of his friends. After the video was over, someone asked: "What phone is that?" I said "The HTC One M9". He responded with "HTC? Wow I haven't seen anyone with an HTC in a long time." The rest of the group nodded. That's when I realized that HTC is behind in the game, even if their Flagship product continues to out-pace the S6 and G4 in terms of battery life and build quality. When people think of buying a new phone the first thing that pops into their heads are either the iPhone or Samsung. Samsung is a massive company that has been saturating the market with advertisements for years. But even moving passed them, what are some other phone manufacturers that normal, non-tech savvy people would think of. LG is a familiar name. HTC? Not so much.
HTC needs to get its name out there. Its making quality devices and no one seems to care. The M9 wasn't a big departure from the M8 in terms of looks and when people buy phones they want to be noticed. A phone is every bit an upgrade to the person's communication capabilities as it is a social status. For the buyers that do research before purchasing a new device, they probably stumbled upon the slew of articles proclaiming the Snapdragon 810's heat problems. They also probably read about the lackluster camera. While the camera, after many updates, is quite good, it still doesn't have basic features like OIS. Unfortunately, we live in a society where the camera is the most important part of the phone; thanks to Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, Facebook, etc. People want a phone that they can just point and shoot in any condition and take a good photo. So when I read articles like the ones you posted above, I find myself not really that surprised. HTC has struggled to keep up with the likes of Samsung, LG and Motorola. Period.
As for me, the M9 is nice, but I absolutely cannot wait for the new Nexus 5 to come out this year. The development community here has some nice content but between Sense and the lack of sources coming from HTC, I find myself missing my old N5 more and more. This will be the last HTC device I'll ever own.
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The M9 wasn't a big departure from the M8 in terms of looks and when people buy phones they want to be noticed.
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Yeah because Apple totally redesign their phones every year and wouldn't possibly ship the same phone again with an S badge on it. People still queue for days down the street for it.
They're in trouble, yes. Even a killer M10 might not be enough because the market is just saturated and the margins on flagship phones are so thin. And they're going to have trouble rolling out a killer phone for the simple reason that nobody can afford to max out the specs anymore and still sell their phones at a profit. I mean, look what happened with the OP2. Even Samsung had to cut corners on the S6 (battery, sdcard slot).
Samsung is surviving on marketing and market share, but when the cheap smartphones from China start really flooding the market, things are going to change for everyone.
Despite the negation of some, HTC is at its darkest hour. If the hero product coming doesn't turns out to be a real hero, I'm afraid the M10 will be the last for them to succeed they need both to be successful, and considering the middle tier and phones like the Redmi Note 2 out there, it's gonna be really hard
In my humble opinion, HTC should try not to compete with Apple and Samsung, but move in a new direction. They should move to a more niche market, keeping the things they are good at and also creating a device that comes rooted, so people who like all the modding can have a device that would truly unique to them or bespoke.
Samsung and Apple are to big now for HTC to compete with, so heading in a completely different directions may save HTC, but the company would be a lot smaller than it is now.
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It's funny you mention this. I was displaying something at work the other day to a coworker and a few of his friends. After the video was over, someone asked: "What phone is that?" I said "The HTC One M9". He responded with "HTC? Wow I haven't seen anyone with an HTC in a long time." The rest of the group nodded. That's when I realized that HTC is behind in the game, even if their Flagship product continues to out-pace the S6 and G4 in terms of battery life and build quality. When people think of buying a new phone the first thing that pops into their heads are either the iPhone or Samsung. Samsung is a massive company that has been saturating the market with advertisements for years. But even moving passed them, what are some other phone manufacturers that normal, non-tech savvy people would think of. LG is a familiar name. HTC? Not so much.
HTC needs to get its name out there. Its making quality devices and no one seems to care. The M9 wasn't a big departure from the M8 in terms of looks and when people buy phones they want to be noticed. A phone is every bit an upgrade to the person's communication capabilities as it is a social status. For the buyers that do research before purchasing a new device, they probably stumbled upon the slew of articles proclaiming the Snapdragon 810's heat problems. They also probably read about the lackluster camera. While the camera, after many updates, is quite good, it still doesn't have basic features like OIS. Unfortunately, we live in a society where the camera is the most important part of the phone; thanks to Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, Facebook, etc. People want a phone that they can just point and shoot in any condition and take a good photo. So when I read articles like the ones you posted above, I find myself not really that surprised. HTC has struggled to keep up with the likes of Samsung, LG and Motorola. Period.
As for me, the M9 is nice, but I absolutely cannot wait for the new Nexus 5 to come out this year. The development community here has some nice content but between Sense and the lack of sources coming from HTC, I find myself missing my old N5 more and more. This will be the last HTC device I'll ever own.
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Great post, I'm with ya... In my case, I miss my OnePlus One just like you miss your Nexus 5. I'm planning on getting one of the two new Nexus that are coming out in October as well, and the M9 is probably going to be my last HTC device as well.
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HTC for ever rip
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Yeah because Apple totally redesign their phones every year and wouldn't possibly ship the same phone again with an S badge on it. People still queue for days down the street for it.
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HTC is not apple. Apple can afford to do that, HTC can't.
I bought the M9 on a whim (and to see if HTC got its head straight after the Doubleshot debacle) and I'm impressed with this phone. Unfortunately it's too little too late.
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I have a lot of htc devices before i buy sgs3 and then sgs5. I go for sammy because there was too many hardware issues with htc phones. But touchwiz i the ugliest launcher. I just can'tuse it. So i install cm on my samsungs. But there was always something that doesnt work as it should. Now with m9 i am very happy again. I would definitely support this copamny in future. I don't know why people are expecting so different design. Not always different is good.
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I hope it doesn't lose ground. I know this isn't a popular device amongst the 2015 flagships. Definitely doesn't beat m8 in terms of popularity either. Their main focus is their next phone but hope htc continues to give us timely updates and support for this device. My only concern.
It's sad that my dad even knows this company is struggling and he doesn't know anything about smartphones.
I'm hoping HTC doesn't die either, pretty much the only phone on the market I like due to the sense overlay, don't like Samsung's touchwiz and as for the rest, LG, Sony etc, well you may as well just get a Nexus, and Sony are rubbish for updates in my experience, Cant stand I don't know phones.
M9 is currently available on Virgin Mobile for half the price it was 4 months ago, sorry all those who grabbed it as soon as it came out on a 2 year contract and are paying double :crying: current price is not a good sign, still may grab one however when my contract comes up for renewal in November, maybe it will be a bit cheaper.
HTC are upsetting a lot of people at the moment with them promising updates and then not bothering, M8 just lost its August update, we now have to wait till android M release, and I can really see by the time its ready, they will use the excuse that the device is over 2 years old so no update, so still no Sense 7 unless you go custom rom, if XDA developers can do it, why cant HTC ?
HTC Mini 2 aka M8 mini, only got a year of updates, didn't even get Lollipop, not a very happy Mrs. promised by HTC then cancelled.
M7 updates got the 2 year excuse and left with a buggy Lollipop, which were fixed by Google 4 weeks later in 5.1.
I miss the HTC that made good phones like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfSxWNOG8DQ That video gives me a nostalgia overload.
Looks like htc is digging a bigger hole for the m9 with the a9 being announced in September.
The support for this device is going to downtrend fast.
cougzzz said:
Looks like htc is digging a bigger hole for the m9 with the a9 being announced in September.
The support for this device is going to downtrend fast.
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If they do a good job with the initial release that doesn't needs to be true; It will include the latest android version, so no need to worry about system updates probably until android M, it will include the stagefright patches, so no need to worry about that either. If it includes a good camera and gets rid of Snapdragon 810, there won't be a need of constant firmware updates and even if it includes the 810, they've improved it so much so far, so there would be no need to firmware updates, cause they passed for that with the M9 already.
Again that's assuming they're going to announce sometihng at IFA, which is yet uncertain.
Simply put...nowadays phone manufacturers don't need to build the best phone to sell the "best" phone, they just have to make it the most popular phone. People outside of XDA don't buy a phone because it has killer features, or superior build quality, or the best camera; they buy a phone because the marketing department said it was the best phone on the market, plain and simple. If HTC wants to catch up, all they need to do is change the look of the M10 and focus on marketing it heavily. HTC has been building top tier smartphones for some time now and they have lost the market game to Samsung and Apple every year.
And also, don't think for a minute that other manufacturers will not pay for negative press on competing phones. They know that public perception is what drives public reception. I am quite certain that Samsung "influenced" atleast a few of the bad review that the M9 received. I am the proud owner of an M9 and although it hasn't been the best phone that I have ever owned, it is FAR from as bad as some of the reviews made it out to be; but if you read the reviews and base your phone decision off of them, you would think the M9 was a piece of junk to be avoided.
All HTC needs to do is figure out some hip gimmicks and marketing (not for us, but for the public), and they will be just fine.
Htc is for people who don't want to go with the sheep of the phone world, plus once you've had a decent high end htc device you'll always be looking back if you switch to let's say a Samsung or an apple device. They're always really close to getting it perfect, this time round it's obviously the camera which is still good but you need to tweak it a bit, personally I'd always chose htc, they're great phones, especially since the m7.
In terms of overall sales, no they're not doing as well as Samsung and apple, bare in mind though that Apple and samsung sell lots of other devices besides phones, htc do not. A fresh approach needs to happen in terms of marketing, and a thoroughly tested flagship with every angle covered, plus I don't think it's necessary for them to release several phones per year. A flag ship and a budget phone would suffice, allowing them to optimise the devices properly. Having an E an E+ an m9 and an m9+ with desires popping up all over the place for me is far too much.
Time will tell, but I don't think they're down and out.
This is my sixth HTC phone and still happy with it. Sad though they can't keep up with the telecom market nowadays.. I would say HTC ain't dead, but it had its better days. Hopefully they strike back with a stunning 2016 flagship. They really deserve a better position or either everybody's attention like last year with the m8 in my opinion
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