OK I had the Hero, and the Google phones by HTC on other carriers all had the same problem whether on 1.5 or 1.6 they all wanted 2.0+, most were very delayed, some other companies, Motorolla, have botched updates as well.
That being said, I came from the Hero where I liked HTC, didn't like not having a keyboard on that phone sometimes. I find that Samsung seems to be about equal from my perspective, I am wondering why so many people here make them out to be the devil and make HTC sound wonderful. Do you really think they don't ever mess up updates there and all their phones are better? I'm sorta lost on that point, vs. almost any other Android company. As far as I'm concerned, having a friend who had the G3? on T-Mo then I got the Hero soon after, I have found Google to be the delay...that or every company does it...
Am I wrong somehow?
Android users will *****, moan and complain until their faces are blue. Google has trained us to expect software updates immediately since they release them so rapidly. And if the Android userbase doesnt have the latest and greatest on our phones within even a month of Google releasing the source code...they blow thru the roof.
I had the Hero as well...and I recall being on 1.5 and everyone *****ing about when we would get 2.0. HTC got brownie points because they got EVO users 2.2 so quickly while Epic owners sat in the corner and watched the cool kids move their apps to their SD card.
We will be getting 2.2 on Monday...and then we will want 2.3. Its a process that will never end...
And the end of the day...Android users are the biggest pains in the a double s's ever. They cry, complain and moan and the sense of entitlement they possess is ridiculous. Software updates take time to format for different phones running different systems. Patience doesnt exist though. Thanks to Google...
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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Im not concerned with froyo honestly. Im concerned with bug fixes for known problems
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Ditto. I could give a crap about froyo at this point. If it doesn't fix all the bugs and battery problems, who cares. Airplane mode toggle, GPS, exchange connection problems and battery drainage, and DRM batter drainage are my biggest complaints. To be honest with you I would be happy if they fixed those things, cause it's a pain to have to deal with all of that. There's no reason why you should have to do all this tweeking to get your phone to work semi decent!
OP, this is true. If I switch it will be for greatly increased dev support.
I'm reluctant only because I will really miss the camera. I bought the phone for the keyboard but it has proven itself fairly worthless compared to the blackberry keyboards I'm used to.
I'm nowhere near the most hungry person for this new OS version (seriously, it's JUST SOFTWARE) but I have to admit it just doesn't make sense that a company worth possibly hundreds of billions of dollars can't update their "flagship" phones faster than this.
Yes, we all know Sprint figures into the equation somehow, but they sure managed to get Froyo onto the Evo quickly, didn't they? You can't tell me HTC, which is a far smaller and less influential company than Samsung, had less technical hurdles to overcome. (Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.)
Now Samsung and Sprint may be more conservative for the Epic's care, but their lack of transparency as to why is the issue here. It's largely about lack of communication. Sure, you can argue they don't owe us anything insider-y, but because we look at the technology as vital and spend so much money we want to feel taken care of and be assured our devices have value, and are valued. The phone should be better with this new version, but we probably shouldn't expect miracles either.
I just think Samsung, for all its admirable qualities, needs to really re-evaluate their product support. They've come a long way in mobile phones, and I bought the Epic because I liked the previous "dumb phones" they made well enough, but they also have a long way to go. With their smarts and innovation, I think they will be able to successfully reform. But they can't simply look at the immediate bottom line--competition in technology is too fierce now, reputations can get destroyed quickly, and companies which tarnish their brand can pay dearly for their errors. Just yesterday you had phone makers like Nokia and RIM high on the heap, and even Microsoft's Windows Mobile was once considered a potentially serious player--look at them now, struggling. It can happen to Samsung as well. But they can still make good, and maybe are finally turning the corner here in the U.S.
Most updates take a while for them to be released. There are always bugs that need to be fixed and the bugs are not usually easy to be fixed. The specs are slightly better on some other manufacturer phones, but the AMOLED screen keeps me sticking with Samsung. That and the fact that their charging ports don't have issues with falling off the mainboard like the Evo. It took thousands of complaints for HTC to come out with a reinforced charging port when they released the Evo Shift, but they still have not gone back and changed their manufacturing process of the regular Evo to incorporate the reinforced charging ports.
It is much easier to explain to a customer that damaged their ribbon cable when they dropped their phone with the slide open than it is to explain to a customer that their charging port is a common complaint, but since it damaged the solder joints and contacts beneath the port, they now have to pay $100 for their deductible or get a new phone if they didn't have ERP or TEP.
I really don't care what OS version im on as long as there's no bugs
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My guess is that HTC makes better android software to beging with.
I owned 2 samsung phones(Behold2 and Epic) and one HTC phone(MyTouch Slide 3GS).
MyTouch with only 600mhz CPU,512 ram and no dedicated GPU ran android(with Sense overlay) so well that it was unbelivebale.
MyTouch Slide 3GS with stock rom ran so much smoother and lag-free than my Epic is with any rom(maybe with exeption of Syndicate).I know people will say that its due to MTS3gs's lower resolution,while that maybe partialy true I think its because HTC takes their time to optimize android to run smooth on their hardware and has better developers.Samsung does **** halfassed,why not hire some better developers and make you software as good as your hardware and be number one phone company in the world?
I bought MTS3gs at launch date with 2.1 on it and within 2 months they released 2.2 for it,keep in mind that MTS3gs was not a heavy hitter,all 4 networks,flagship phone like Galaxy S is.That makes me feel that HTC cares about their reputation not like Samsung.
While my Samsung phones are of better build quality I would go back to HTC in a heartbeat if they had Amoled screens,but after using Amoled on Behold2 and S Amoled on Epic I cant,lol.
And one last thing why I think HTC is better-They release their source quickly.Why do you think all Cyanogens,MIUI and best roms hit HTC so quickly?
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Yes, we all know Sprint figures into the equation somehow, but they sure managed to get Froyo onto the Evo quickly, didn't they? You can't tell me HTC, which is a far smaller and less influential company than Samsung, had less technical hurdles to overcome. (Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.)
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Uh, lets review history a little bit.
HTC is the manufacturer of the Nexus 1, the first phone to get Froyo. They received froyo before the release of the Nexus 1 so that they could write drivers. SIX MONTHS LATER, the EVO4g comes along running a SLIGHTLY different first generation snapdragon SOC. In fact, the EVO has near identical hardware to the HTC Incredible which was released a full month before the EVO.
So HTC had PLENTY of time to begin developing drivers for the EVO.
You are saying that Samsung didn't have more technical hurdles to overcome creating drivers for the first devices to use their hummingbird processor and PowerVR SGX 540 gpu than HTC which built the reference platform for Froyo 2.2 through their Nexus One?
The Evo has also received multiple small patches from HTC because their Froyo update was obviously rushed by Sprint so that they could run all of those annoying "first" ads.
Also, take a look at some of the issues people have had with the Evo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Evo_4G#Criticism
It has the same screen issues that my HTC TP2 had, which is the brightening in a small spot as an example.
HTC and Samsung are the same..the biggest difference is Sprint is Sprint released EVO as their June phone and wanted to be first to upgrade to 2.2 so they pushed HTC to upgrade faster...If you think about it they updated the international SGS at an ok time table (not the best but OK)..when it got to the carriers is when the issues started happening..
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My guess is that HTC makes better android software to beging with.
I owned 2 samsung phones(Behold2 and Epic) and one HTC phone(MyTouch Slide 3GS).
MyTouch with only 600mhz CPU,512 ram and no dedicated GPU ran android(with Sense overlay) so well that it was unbelivebale.
MyTouch Slide 3GS with stock rom ran so much smoother and lag-free than my Epic is with any rom(maybe with exeption of Syndicate).I know people will say that its due to MTS3gs's lower resolution,while that maybe partialy true I think its because HTC takes their time to optimize android to run smooth on their hardware and has better developers.Samsung does **** halfassed,why not hire some better developers and make you software as good as your hardware and be number one phone company in the world?
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The MT3GS is using the 600mhz snapdragon processor is it not..that processor is pretty much an under-clocked EVO and GPU is the same..add to it the lower resolution and there is no reason why it shouldnt run smoothly..anyways on my Epic though when running 2.1 stock I had it smoothly no matter what I was doing :/
I bought MTS3gs at launch date with 2.1 on it and within 2 months they released 2.2 for it,keep in mind that MTS3gs was not a heavy hitter,all 4 networks,flagship phone like Galaxy S is.That makes me feel that HTC cares about their reputation not like Samsung.
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The mytouch series is T-mobile's brand...when your "branded" by the carriers you get more love...
And one last thing why I think HTC is better-They release their source quickly.Why do you think all Cyanogens,MIUI and best roms hit HTC so quickly?
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?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?..we are talking about the same HTC right? for the record Samsung releases source same day or within a week usualy..HTC on the other hand still didnt release sources for many devices eve after people have been calling them for AGES to release them...
What makes HTC easier is many devs have worked with HTC phones for YEARS even before they had any protection on bootloaders or anything..we practically grew up with them..and with the N1 it contributed a lot as well..
See, I just don't believe any of that and ill tell you why; the myTouch 4g. That phone runs worse than my HERO did with stock software. And it does everything slow: pulling up the dialer, installing and loading apps, pulling up the market, everything. Its honestly probably one of the worst feeling phones I've ever used (that weren't running MotoBLUR... shutters) and even launcher pro couldn't salvage it.
The reason HTC is "better" than Samsung is just as TC said; people here have awfully selective memories. HTC is just as painfully slow at getting this done as everyone else, they just got paid a ton to get 2.2 (not even 2.2.1 which I believe it still doesn't even have) out for ONE phone and everyone just forgot. I can't wait for the Evo to take 9 years like every other phone to get gingerbread/ice cream sandwich so people can return to hating every company evenly.
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Most updates take a while for them to be released. There are always bugs that need to be fixed and the bugs are not usually easy to be fixed. The specs are slightly better on some other manufacturer phones, but the AMOLED screen keeps me sticking with Samsung.
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True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.
Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.
Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.
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True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.
Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.
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Wut?
Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.
Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.
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Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.
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Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.
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Wut?
Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.
Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.
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They haven't abandoned the 3g..it works by 2 years cycles..so 2g has been abandoned but 3g has not until the iphone 5...
That said it doesn't mean samsung has gave up on us completely..for all you know we may go up all the way to honeycomb and beyond...they just have been rather slow at it :/
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Why year after year do you see the same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones? Because Apple consumers are a cult made up of a certain type of people who are easily susceptible to being brainwashed by clever advertising and worship everything Steve Jobs says or does like he's the David Koresh of geekdom.
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Fixed. Half tongue-in-cheek, but half serious as well.
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Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.
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Sure, that sounds sensible except I might beg the question...why then not take us right to Gingerbread? ;-) Coincidentally I was at a Best Buy tonight and played with a Nexus S. It really is weird how it's so similar to the phone I'm typing this on right now, but Google's sponsorship of it changes so much on the software side...
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Ok so the Vibrant is not that old but seems like its forgotten already. Well the whole Galaxy S series! Bs since its only like 4 months old. Makes me mad that android devices get left behind so fast just to be replaced so quick. Not everyone can buy a new android device every week. I love my Vibrant but this crap makes me mad! Come on SLOW down with android devices already. Just my 2 cents! And no im not a fan boy. Just wanted to get this off my mind. Thanks a million!
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you don't know much about the field and business of technology do you?
The second you buy any electronic device, it is obsolete before you even walk out of the store with it. It's something you have to accept if you make any electronics purchases.
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Well as long as Samsung support the current Galaxy S line with updates I will be happy, if they don't, I know I won't be buying a Samsung phone again.
Even though they keep coming out with new phones doesn't mean yours isn't good. Root that baby, flash a rom and fall in love with your phone all over again.
Yea I Know how electronics are.just think its stupid.but love my vibrant. Already rooted.just need offical froyo 2.2 and and I will be happy!
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Yea I Know how electronics are.just think its stupid.but love my vibrant. Already rooted.just need offical froyo 2.2 and and I will be happy!
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Dont wait... Just go to akaskriller.com he already have the real one thanx to eugene
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cant wait for dual core smartphones with dedicated gpu.
4.5" screen
5+mp camera w/ flash and dedicated camera button
actual hard buttons
and of course ANDROID
And of course with the same 13-1500mAh batteries these has, so we'll have like 5000 threads about terrible battery life, etc.
Personally, I don't think there is anything great about the Vibrant outside of the screen. That was Samsung's main selling point. The GPU is good, but there are now apps popping up left and right that are claiming "No Support for Samsung Galaxy S."
Yahoo Messenger for Android now has no Support for Galaxy S, Lol.
Not going to bother buying another Samsung phone anyways, but certainly not going to buy another phone with internals outside of the mainstream.
I personally view them going in another direction IRT hardware has a massive failure. That's like buying a Windows Computer with an AMD Processor, and Microsoft telling you Live Messenger isn't supported on you computer because you got AMD instead of Intel, or Microsoft Office won't run on your computer because you're running Windows Vista instead of 7, or WoW won't run on your computer because you got an ATI instead of an NVidia. Massive failure, IMO.
Apps > Hardware.
Then there's the issue of a bunch of apps simply being incompatible due to the phone only having Android 2.1...
If you expect a Nexus S or whatever to change that, then I dunno what to say. 90% of high end smartphones run Snapdragons and most don't run TouchWiz, so developers will continue to target architectures which are the majority - as they should, cause targetting Samsung's phone and ending up with apps that crash and burn on all those other phones would be utterly retarded.
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Well as long as Samsung support the current Galaxy S line with updates I will be happy, if they don't, I know I won't be buying a Samsung phone again.
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yeah, this
only to add: i will actively tell every person i know to avoid samsung like the plague
ball's in your court samsung!
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cant wait for dual core smartphones with dedicated gpu.
4.5" screen
5+mp camera w/ flash and dedicated camera button
actual hard buttons
and of course ANDROID
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in a few weeks new Galaxy S/Nexus S coming to Tmobile. maybe it will be dual and 99.9% it will have flash. and the best thing, no more waiting for updates, and it will already come with Android 2.3
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Dont wait... Just go to akaskriller.com he already have the real one thanx to eugene
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Got in the site... i figured it out and didn't have to watch that whole video lol
Please tell me your not mad that technology is advancing. Really? Is it such a bad thing? Nobody is forcing you to go out and buy the newest, fastest and greatest device. Personally I think while the vibrant may lack in 2.2 and some other things like flash and a 4.3" screen or HSPA+ it more than makes up for in MONSTER graphics computing, overall speed, a beautiful 4" SAMOLED screen and a camera that takes pretty amazing pics. I did expect better support from samsung considering the phone is across all carriers However I did buy the phone as is so I cant complain too much. it still holds its own against any other device out right now. Plus... The Nexus 2 will basically be a Galaxy S so we should see easy porting to our devices once gingerbread is released and android 3.0.
Hopefully we'll see some advanced implimentation of battery technology to make these handsets last a while with usage. Cause I don't want to see another ZOMG! I got 47 hours of battery.... with everything off.
Don't blame me, blame my keyboard's autocorrection algorithm.
Thing about it is, I thought about this too.. What is out that your phone can't do? It can run all the latest apps, and will even be able to support gingerbread. You could have a 5ghz phone, but what good will it do? The 1/4 second that it would be quicker would not be noticeable.
Galaxy S. Maybe the next version will include the P, so it will have a GPS~
Slow down??? Hell no! Speed up with new devices already. And the Vibrant is just fine. I use it, it has an awesome screen, and new updates get uploaded on XDA almost on a daily basis. And I love watching new phones appear. It just means that by the time I get around to another upgrade in about 14 months, the phones at that time will be that much better. So keep innovating, companies, and improving and releasing new phones.
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Ok so the Vibrant is not that old but seems like its forgotten already. Well the whole Galaxy S series! Bs since its only like 4 months old. Makes me mad that android devices get left behind so fast just to be replaced so quick. Not everyone can buy a new android device every week. I love my Vibrant but this crap makes me mad! Come on SLOW down with android devices already. Just my 2 cents! And no im not a fan boy. Just wanted to get this off my mind. Thanks a million!
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Has anyone noticed the multitude of G2 ads everywhere? Seems like HTC is really pushing the advertising with that phone...i dont understand because i have messed with the phone and i dont think its really that good. any agree?
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Please tell me your not mad that technology is advancing. Really? Is it such a bad thing? Nobody is forcing you to go out and buy the newest, fastest and greatest device. Personally I think while the vibrant may lack in 2.2 and some other things like flash and a 4.3" screen or HSPA+ it more than makes up for in MONSTER graphics computing, overall speed, a beautiful 4" SAMOLED screen and a camera that takes pretty amazing pics. I did expect better support from samsung considering the phone is across all carriers However I did buy the phone as is so I cant complain too much. it still holds its own against any other device out right now. Plus... The Nexus 2 will basically be a Galaxy S so we should see easy porting to our devices once gingerbread is released and android 3.0.
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What exactly are you talking about. No one is complaining about technology advancing. People are complaining mostly (and mostly indirectly) about the rate at which hardware/devices are deprecated and forgotten about.
Lots of people come from a long background in using computers, so they are not used to seeing a 1 year old device become "unsupported" for the most part.
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Hopefully we'll see some advanced implimentation of battery technology to make these handsets last a while with usage. Cause I don't want to see another ZOMG! I got 47 hours of battery.... with everything off.
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Yes, those threads piss me off so much I don't even open battery threads anymore unless it's one I posted in and there's a chance a reply may be directed at me.
Most people with great battery life hardly use the phone. I get 20 hours easy when it sits there in Standby for 18.5 of those hours. Once I start using the phone, the battery is crap. I actually had to uninstall some very useful applications so the battery wouldn't commit suicide.
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Has anyone noticed the multitude of G2 ads everywhere? Seems like HTC is really pushing the advertising with that phone...i dont understand because i have messed with the phone and i dont think its really that good. any agree?
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Yep. Actually noticed the G2 add play 3x tonight. The hinge is crap, but at least the phone works as expected.
A phone doesn't have to be "really that good" to be worth the investment. In many cases, like the Vibrant, when the phone is supposed to be "really that good" it just turns out to be a failed result of overreaching.
I got this phone because it had a lot of storage in it, and it's not like T-Mobile had that many choices when it came to high end smartphones when the Vibrant was released. Some people replying to posts act like the G2, MyTouch4G, HD7, etc. were being sold in stores in July/August.
There was the HD2, and the Vibrant. That's it. The rest of T-Mobile's phones were utter crap.
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yeah, this
only to add: i will actively tell every person i know to avoid samsung like the plague
ball's in your court samsung!
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This right here. What should have been a wonderful experience has been badly sullied by non-existent support.
Buying a phone on a 2 year contract and finding out that the phone isn't even properly supported for 4 months should be enough to piss anyone off.
One Carrier. One device yearly. Multiple updates throughout the year. But one of the best parts, imo, No AT&T control. Apple seems to have complete control. I know a lot of people who really dislike that, but I know even more who are pulling their hair out because they signed a two year contract on a device that may never see Android 2.3. Or by the time it does there will be 20 newer, better and faster devices out with 3.0. It's frustrating when you not only have to wait on Google to produce a newer update, but then you have to wait on the phone manufacturer to produce an update due to their proprietary UI, and then have to wait on the carrier to add their bloatware and restrictions.
These forums are our only way to vent these frustrations. The carrier doesn't care, and the manufacturer doesn't care. They have your name on the dotted line. You are theirs for the next two years if you don't want an ETF.
Why not release stock Android with the option of carrier UI download?
Or at least a system where you can go to stock Android for your device, downloaded directly from Google in an itunes manner if you wanted.
I hear the term "fragmented" a lot these days when people talk about Android. So many devices with so many versions of Android.
I've heard talk of an Android overhaul with 3.0. May'be rumors.
When we do get 2.2, We will go through the whole thing over again for 2.3.
2.3 is already out. It should be made ready for all Android devices that can support it an be available as a download for those devices. At the same time the carriers should be working on their custom UI and have that downloadable ASAP. May'be that's impossible due to the fact that Google doesn't produce these devices, just the base software on them.
Just my rant/questions/vent
I do see your point.
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Samsung site is advertising 2.2 froyo for epic?
I never looked at it that way. We definitely wouldn't be that pissed now. Although samsung is slapping us in the face advertising froyo 2.2 for our phones here http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SPH-D700ZKASPR-features
And you are posting this in the forum of a device with a slideout keyboard and 4 inch SAMOLED screen.
Yes I sure would love to be locked into one form factor and system internals.
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I never looked at it that way. We definitely wouldn't be that pissed now. Although samsung is slapping us in the face advertising froyo 2.2 for our phones here http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SPH-D700ZKASPR-features
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This ish pissis me off...... and I'm in us stuck on unofficial 2.2
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What device hasn't been upgraded either officially or through custom roms within a year of its release to a newer build of Android? The iPhone gets updates once a year.
Anyone pulling their hair out because their device isn't getting an official port of Android 2.3 is an idiot to begin with. Buy devices that are worthy on their own with current software. Don't hope that you MAY get an update to make it the phone you really want. And if you somehow NEED to get updates because your e-peen just won't be big enough without the latest Android build on your phone, then buy a damn nexus 1 or S.
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And you are posting this in the forum of a device with a slideout keyboard and 4 inch SAMOLED screen.
Yes I sure would love to be locked into one form factor and system internals.
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Just talking about one slice of the Apple, not the whole thing. There is also something good to be said of openness and choice.
There is just so much anger and frustration when it comes to Android and I think a lot of it has to do with manufacturer and carrier control and their decision to keep the consumer out of the loop. Vague and general answers are not much better than no answers at all. The "you'll get it when you get it" attitude some people have, although it's true, does not ease the sense of irritation.
Theres no way cr-apple had the right idea, there while system is flawed right down to one piece of hardware for all. All other things aside, I hate apple hardware period. And everyone having the sandstone except for color is stupid. Android ftw. Open hardware/software ftw. Samoled ftw.
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Maybe Froyo will come soon with these changes coming to the website. We know its close.
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While maybe apple doesn't have the right idea it sounds like windows phone 7 may have it right. Multiple devices, multiple carriers, multiple form factors, manufacterer controlled updates. Too bad its not as awesome as android yet
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The thing is its messy right now but once 3.0 comes things will change a lot...why? simple, right now Google is releasing bi-annually..and not waiting for manufacturers to catch up...once 3.0 hits Android will be released once a year...Google will also start working closer with their partners and manufacturers...
In reality I don't think Apple or WP7 has the right idea...simply because right now entered a cell phone age..aka phone specs are jumping every year by a good leap...
Apple has a policy where they upgraded the 3gs and the 3g to version 4 which is nice for average consumers..but at the same time it kinda forces partners to limit themselves to the minimum specs...same will happen with WP7 and their minimum of snapdragons...once dual cores come out and apps take advantage of these, all WP7 devices will be left behind because the apps have to be backwards compatible with the lower specced versions..(now I know they may have implementations of which hardware can use what App..but then both M$ and Apple would be eating their own words of "fragmentation" as they call it)
I can understand how an average consumer would be left out right now..but at same time average consumer does not care much for upgrades as much as we do either...either way past 3.0 it will get a lot better..
apple and windows are limited because thats the way they want it. f*** that. this android is the most universal device ive ever seen. the os is written very well. i like no limits or restrictions to the possibilities other than the hardware. do you really think the next iphone will have a dual core sssshhhhtttt i doubt it. even if it does it will still be slower than this phone ha. google is getting their act together with android because it is in their best interest because they will make way more money off of all the advertising from everytime we search stuff and the info they get from when we use navigation.
Just thought I would pass this along. So, does this mean the Epic will see it 3 months later like Froyo?
http://www.slashgear.com/gingerbread-for-galaxy-s-in-march-confirms-samsung-25136186
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Looks like it's for real. It just leaked out for the SGS i9000 a couple of days ago.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/28/android-2-3-2-gingerbread-leaks-for-samsung-galaxy-s
As I've said in previous threads, if Gingerbread actually comes out for the Epic officially, I'll be completely satisfied and beyond happy with Samsung (I actually like TouchWiz, and would really like some of the performance enhancements Gingerbread brings). I'll even start recommending their phones again and forgive the whole Froyo debacle. Let's keep our fingers crossed!
PS: They didn't list a source, where and when did Samsung officially say this?
Edit: Silly me, I'm on my phone so I only saw the mobile page which doesn't link the source, looks like it was Samsung Germany - so I guess we'll see!
http://www.slashgear.com/gingerbread-for-galaxy-s-in-march-confirms-samsung-25136186/
If thats true..... then we should actually have a working version by... oh I don't know.. the end of summer
Based strictly on track record!
Hopefully Sprint will be releasing new devices before then.
This way, if Gingerbread sucks ass like EB13, I'l get rid of this damn phone and get something else.
Here's to hoping though, not trying to be a hater, just sayin'
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Hopefully Sprint will be releasing new devices before then.
This way, if Gingerbread sucks ass like EB13, I'l get rid of this damn phone and get something else.
Here's to hoping though, not trying to be a hater, just sayin'
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Thread should be closed now as no one else can put it better than this. ;-)
March for Germany means maybe by December for the good ol USA market. They keep trying to get all the bugs out before they hit their biggest market. Well at least that's what they say, but I think they always manage to screw it up with all the time they got...something about idle hands?
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Hopefully Sprint will be releasing new devices before then.
This way, if Gingerbread sucks ass like EB13, I'l get rid of this damn phone and get something else.
Here's to hoping though, not trying to be a hater, just sayin'
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Mines is working great. Much more stable and faster than d18 and ak28(?). Sorry I already forgot the build of the recent rom.
We will not see 2.3 for the epic. There I said it. There is no point in even keeping your hopes up, its clear samsung does not care about doing updates but only selling units. Nor do they have developers that can even code a update without being pulled days after release.
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Yeah wasn't it a post by Samsung UK that told us by end of 2010 for Froyo??? Whatever... once the few kinks are out on EB13 (it would be nice if sprintsung could fix it for the masses too) I will be content. I dont really see why they would, with the SGS2 coming out, I mean I guess if theyre already working on it, but its like we got the Beta of the hardware, with the supposed HDMI out on SGS2, etc... What I have learned, is not to NOT buy samsung, they make damn good hardware... its just not to jump the early adopter bandwagon unless they can put out a finished product at launch. Even if they are a few months behind, the others are just catching up hardware wise by then... theyre just catching up to the Epic with the spring phones coming out now Seriously, coming from my days in the high end home theater/distributed audio world, it would seem sammy operates their flagship phones like professional install A/V gear... expensive, and if youre an early adopter, youre paying for bragging rights, not a finished product... youre on the cutting edge. Its like buying a 3d TV right now... IF it gets beyond gimmick, you have what, a year or two before the standards are all set, and then your TV doesnt meet the standards... *cough HDCP* *cough HD-DVD*..... its a rich mans game...
HOWEVER: the dual core phones look to be so much of an advancement of their own, that they may sell just fine without neutering the SGS, etc... so they may just do it... it would be good to get every phone up to a certain point so that theres only a few versions of android out, keep it simple, and shut Jobs up... fragmentation... at least our radios work!
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Yeah wasn't it a post by Samsung UK that told us by end of 2010 for Froyo??? Whatever... once the few kinks are out on EB13 (it would be nice if sprintsung could fix it for the masses too) I will be content. I dont really see why they would, with the SGS2 coming out, I mean I guess if theyre already working on it, but its like we got the Beta of the hardware, with the supposed HDMI out on SGS2, etc... What I have learned, is not to NOT buy samsung, they make damn good hardware... its just not to jump the early adopter bandwagon unless they can put out a finished product at launch. Even if they are a few months behind, the others are just catching up hardware wise by then... theyre just catching up to the Epic with the spring phones coming out now Seriously, coming from my days in the high end home theater/distributed audio world, it would seem sammy operates their flagship phones like professional install A/V gear... expensive, and if youre an early adopter, youre paying for bragging rights, not a finished product... youre on the cutting edge. Its like buying a 3d TV right now... IF it gets beyond gimmick, you have what, a year or two before the standards are all set, and then your TV doesnt meet the standards... *cough HDCP* *cough HD-DVD*..... its a rich mans game...
HOWEVER: the dual core phones look to be so much of an advancement of their own, that they may sell just fine without neutering the SGS, etc... so they may just do it... it would be good to get every phone up to a certain point so that theres only a few versions of android out, keep it simple, and shut Jobs up... fragmentation... at least our radios work!
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Samsung UK did promise Froyo to SGS by end of 2010 and kept their promise...to the UK subscribers. Unfortunately the USA is a separate issue all together as we have the largest base of subscribers and afaik 5 different versions (Sprint, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and US Cellular). I would suspect maybe summertime by the time we get it, just in time when the new phones come out anyways.
The original galaxy s had hdmi out as well...sprint gimped the epic.
It was supposed to originally have 16gb ROM, 1gb RAM, sd card(I don't think the original galaxy s had an sd slot ..) fm radio, hdmi out, blah blah blah
This phone waslaunching too close to the evo which sprin spent a lot of money advertising, so they had to gimp the epic so that everyone still thinks the evo is better hardware wise.
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Yes, I know the hardware is there... or looks to be (epic), but HDMI, TV-Out, and a few other things (docks) were supposedly part of updates that would be with Froyo... or so says the sprint rep... obviously the docks were committed to, but not the others, and I doubt they will officially implement the HDMI at least, as they are putting in a new HDMI control standard on the SGS2, so if you have a compatible TV your phone can operate some functions of it (volume, power, etc)... so I doubt they will bother with it. Hopefully our geniuses here can pick up where they left off. I agree totally that the EVO was the problem, I dont know about the advertising dollars drying up, that seems to be a thing with Sprint, but I honestly think it was gimped to make the EVO have any leg to stand on, other than for those who dont like hardware keyboards. They could have just put it out properly, and ignored advertising it as they did, and it wouldnt affect the EVO anyways. Especially with the EVOs supposed short supply... really??? how long has it been out, and they cant keep sprint corp stores stocked?? Sounds like artificially inflated demand to me. Is there a shortage of other HTC phones??? Are the execs pocketing too much and not investing??? I call BS, I think Sprint is in bed with HTC... I wonder if the EVO is so cost ineffective, that they are really all preorders in a sense, dont build em till theyre already sold...
I honestly don't see a reason for Gingerbread on the Epic. The only real main difference seems to be NFC support (which we don't have the hardware for), and green icons.
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I honestly don't see a reason for Gingerbread on the Epic. The only real main difference seems to be NFC support (which we don't have the hardware for), and green icons.
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Gingerbread brought a lot of other things that you didn't see (like how most of 2.2s advances weren't visible) including an improved jit compiler, copy paste in the gmail app and others I cannot think of at the moment.
Not gonna matter much longer anyway. We are working hard on getting CM7 working on the epic. 4g is going to be a nightmare, but I'm 100% confident we can get everything else working
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If the EVO 4G had a better screen, I would gladly trade down processor speed for software stability (and a phone that just works).
For now, it's a love-hate relationship with Samsuck.
However, I'll probably jump ship at the soonest chance I get.
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If the EVO 4G had a better screen, I would gladly trade down processor speed for software stability (and a phone that just works).
For now, it's a love-hate relationship with Samsuck.
However, I'll probably jump ship at the soonest chance I get.
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I disagree completely. The entire SoC that Samsung uses is FAR superior to the Snapdragon nonsense. The fact that our phones can play high profile h.264 natively without hiccuping at all is amazing. Even the Xoom with its new Tegra 2 Soc, which has a dual core processor and EIGHT core GPU mind you, stutters like a fool trying to do what our phone does. Its embarrassing. If we ever get this software crap straightened out, our phone will easily be competitive for another year until the quad cores start rolling out. The only way I would switch phones is if Sprint got something like the Optimus 3d which uses the new OMAP4430 with the same Powervr sgx540 that our phone has, except clocked 50% faster.
tl;dr - The hardware in our phone is amazing and I wouldn't trade it for anything right now. Also, the screen is not the Epic4g's only differentiator.
March of what year?
Enough said
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Not gonna matter much longer anyway. We are working hard on getting CM7 working on the epic. 4g is going to be a nightmare, but I'm 100% confident we can get everything else working
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Sent from my Evo Killer!!!
I've been disgusted by Samsung's lack of support of this phone or any phone they've released in the US. When the galaxy S line came out in the US, I encouraged everyone to buy them because they were such good phones. Well they were good on Eclair when they came out and didn't really fix all the problems in the extremely delayed Froyo release. I still laugh to my self when I remember asking the Sprint salesman when the Epic will get Froyo and he said "by the end of September" (I bought it September 9th). For anyone that uses the "best hardware" bs excuse I don't care. I want my phone to work not to have the "best hardware". The keyboard still doesn't work properly and that's the only reason I bought this stupid phone. Anyway, I was looking at this androidcentral article about fragmentation and I noticed something interesting; Samsung has only updated ONE phone to gingerbread in the US. Just one phone on one carrier, the Droid Charge. The other Samsung phones on gingerbread are the ones that launched with it. I would never in my life buy another Samsung phone but unfortunately the Nexus Prime is made by Samsung so they'll have to get my money again. I'm definitely buying the Prime next month and either smashing this epic piece of s**t to pieces with a hammer or donating it to a developer. Probably the latter since I've been dying to have a fully functional cm7 build for months.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/dear-molly-rants-lets-talk-about-android-fragmentation
They are bad... The worst IMO. Its all because of the "UI's they put on. But if the prime comes to sprint i will be buying it. I assume the prime will NOT have touchwiz. But we will see, I at lease hope because it does not have a keyboard it should have CM7 soon.
Samsung is known for its prominent hardware manufacture ability.
If they had deep software capability, they would've not use android to sell their phones.
They're strategy is to own other handset manufacturers with superior hardware qualities like SAMOLED, curved screen, thinness, etc..
After they sell their product to customers, they just do enough support to prevent a riot.
So for the software updates, you can't expect from Samsung. It is waste of money for their view. Just make the next one with Gingerbread or ICS and sell 'em.
Want proof? Search for Omnia 2 that was sold as "iPhone killer" in Korea. It had Winmo 6.5 on it. People had to be stuck with it for two years, and by that time even Microsoft dropped Winmo and got Windows 7. If you search in youtube, you can see people video hitting the Omnia 2 with hammer.
Moral of the story? Don't expect awesome software supports from Samsung.
Get nexus.
They are definitely becoming better. The Omnia thing is a pretty bad example (Samsung didn't say the device was an iPhone killer, it had Windows Mobile on it (an OS by Microsoft which wasn't very elegant and Microsoft didn't bring updates very often, in fact 6.5 was the latest version and Microsoft killed it, what could Samsung have done about it? An update to the completely different WP7 years later was practically impossible and never promised by anyone). Plus, it is an old example, things can change totally in the smartphone world in some months. SGS1 users -especially in the US- had to wait extraordinarily long for Gingerbread but it feels like the whole thing has become better (rather subjective but also visible in terms of the SGS2).
In the end most over the average users didn't know that Gingerbread existed and didn't miss much, the Galaxy S1 was certainly no bad phone, hardware- and softwarewise. And all those Geeks who are longing for every little update and who read and post here in the forums are probably more happy if they just install another ROM.
First off Samsung makes the Nexus. 2nd off Samsung is great with updates....if you don't have a US carrier or Touchwiz. European Galaxy S phones have had Gingerbread for 6 months. Nexus gets very timely updates. To judge a company on 1 out of the thousands of products they make is being very single-minded. All the major US carriers Galaxy S line have not been updated. When we didn't get Froyo for 6 months Sprint blamed Samsung and Samsung blamed Sprint. This phone was the 1st Galaxy S to get Froyo then they took it back and T-mobile got theirs then Sprint. So obviously there are issues when dealing with Touchwiz, FCC hardware restrictions and the carriers. For all we know Sprint is holding onto the OTA because they are having equipment maintenance issues across the country an want to wait until they are fully operational. The 99% of Epic owners are oblivious to what Gingerbread even is so Sprint figures it can wait a few weeks.
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First off Samsung makes the Nexus. 2nd off Samsung is great with updates....if you don't have a US carrier or Touchwiz. European Galaxy S phones have had Gingerbread for 6 months. Nexus gets very timely updates. To judge a company on 1 out of the thousands of products they make is being very single-minded. All the major US carriers Galaxy S line have not been updated. When we didn't get Froyo for 6 months Sprint blamed Samsung and Samsung blamed Sprint. This phone was the 1st Galaxy S to get Froyo then they took it back and T-mobile got theirs then Sprint. So obviously there are issues when dealing with Touchwiz, FCC hardware restrictions and the carriers. For all we know Sprint is holding onto the OTA because they are having equipment maintenance issues across the country an want to wait until they are fully operational. The 99% of Epic owners are oblivious to what Gingerbread even is so Sprint figures it can wait a few weeks.
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All excuses, if other manufacturers like HTC and Motorola can push gingerbread updates in a timely manner then Samsung should be able to as well. I'm not judging them on one product, I'm basing my argument on every phone they released in the US. I know Samsung makes the Nexus S and the Nexus Prime... I clearly stated that in the OP. Clearly you have trouble reading and/or comprehending written statements.
What makes it even more pathetic on their part is that they've had a phone with gingerbread on it with essentially the same hardware as the other galaxy S phones for almost 10 months and still nothing. Just ****ty leaks with tons of things not working. I know the international version has had it for a while and it's been working out well for them but why such a delay with the US market? It's a huge market when it comes to mobile and they've sold millions of handsets here. They clearly could care less about what happens in the US which is why I'm always perplexed when people drool over new Samsung phones. I can't help but laugh when I hear ZOMG EXYNOS DUAL CORE, IT CAN RUN THE INTERNET! Too bad all that processing power won't save you from ****ty programming and no updates.
Okay okay no need to take things personally.
We all are dissatisfied customers.
About Samsung's omnia 2 reference, I am pointing out that Samsung only focuses on delivering phones with high specs on paper. it is quite obvious that Winmo 6.x was crap and having it on the flagship phone at the time is like shooting yourself on the foot. Indeed nobody promised upgrade from winmo 6.x, however it's their arrogance/ignorance that gets me. They are like "we can make phone with better cpu+scree+build quality, so we are better". This approach worked for them 5~10 years ago, but not anymore. At this time of age, I want real quality product that can bring quality experience. That means hardware alone can't cut it.
It's a fact that Samsung does provide quality hardware. However, they certainly are poor at anything software. In fact they don't have any quality software to show because they don't. Touchwiz is not even a standalone OS, its just a skin/theme.
So how do Samsung try to compete with phones like iPhone? Take the idea, slap better cpu/gpu on it and stamping out phones like a crazy factory, with their massive hardware manufacturing capability. How many samsung phones we have now? And how many of them actually beat iPhones?
Galaxy S2 is very close but it is safe to say that none of them are as optimized as iPhone.
I just don't like their business style of just producing phones with highest and newest technology on it but don't care about fine tuning and optimizing the whole system.
Look at Epic 4G. It had so much capability with keyboard, good front facing camera, Wimax 4G, awesome 1ghz hummingbird cpu. But in fact they are all good on paper, but in real life experience, they fail to utilized completely.
What's good if I have the keyboard if it ignores key inputs. What's good to have ffc if like apps such as Skype don't support it (now it does, but man.. after like 10 months of ownership...?). What's good with all the cpu if the OS is not optimized and I have to install custom roms/patches to get the phone to be snappy.
The point is... Samsung can't deliver iphone killer alone.
Buy nexus, because it is combination of samsung's hardware capability with Google's software capability.
A person that takes to insults clearly has nothing intelligent to say.
FYI if you read your own thread I was responding to post 3 that said don't expect awesome updates from Samsung, get Nexus. Now who can't read or comprehend?
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A person that takes to insults clearly has nothing intelligent to say.
FYI if you read your own thread I was responding to post 3 that said don't expect awesome updates from Samsung, get Nexus. Now who can't read or comprehend?
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In case you were unaware nexus phones software updates come from google not the manufacturer.. Be it htc or samsung... So yes if you are unhappy about sammy updating the software a nexus phone is a viable alternative... Do your homework before you insult...
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First off Samsung makes the Nexus. 2nd off Samsung is great with updates....if you don't have a US carrier or Touchwiz. European Galaxy S phones have had Gingerbread for 6 months. Nexus gets very timely updates. To judge a company on 1 out of the thousands of products they make is being very single-minded. All the major US carriers Galaxy S line have not been updated.
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Umm, this is America. We're on American carrier(s). We spend American money on this crap. Most of us ARE in fact American (or at least legal residents I would hope). In fact, after a few more beers I may even argue that supporting a foreign company's actions in this case is treason and punishable by being hanged.
Based on the above paragraph, I think we're well within our rights to judge Samsung on their American product support - which is basically non existent. Of the 3 Samsung phones I've ever owned, the only one worth a **** is the Captivate and that's only because it has fully working CM7. I won't waste anyone's time going into detail on my Epic gripes, and we all know (and probably furiously hate) the Moment.
But to diversify (and/or digress) just for a moment. I've had 2 Samsung DVD players that were complete crap and were returned. They were replaced with LG's that I am pretty impressed with. Also, my Samsung fridge makes me want to bash puppies every time I use the water dispenser.
OK, then why keep supporting them? Stop buying Samsung dude! I was just trying to note that there is more to it then just Samsung not updating the Galaxy S phones in the US. By all the RDFs it certainly isn't for lack of trying. Since the same thing happened on froyo, what really slows it down? Touchwiz? FCC hardware regs? They hate the US because Apple is based here? What really is the hold up? What is the real reason Europe gets it first?
Oh, I will stop supporting them. Epic 4g will be my last phone from Samsung.
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Oh, I will stop supporting them. Epic 4g will be my last phone from Samsung.
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OK. Out of curiosity which manufacturer will you try next? I also am not thrilled with supporting Samsung. I just don't think they are totally at fault. HTC rushes out updates that don't work and some claim make the phones unuseable. So are you thinking LG or Motorola?
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Oh, I will stop supporting them. Epic 4g will be my last phone from Samsung.
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Nexus Prime > all
And Nexus Legendary might be next Oo
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OK, then why keep supporting them? Stop buying Samsung dude! I was just trying to note that there is more to it then just Samsung not updating the Galaxy S phones in the US. By all the RDFs it certainly isn't for lack of trying. Since the same thing happened on froyo, what really slows it down? Touchwiz? FCC hardware regs? They hate the US because Apple is based here? What really is the hold up? What is the real reason Europe gets it first?
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We'll never know what the hold up is... For all we know they killed Jobs too.
And no, I no longer support them. Going back to your earlier point, I try not to judge them based on one product. The DVD players were crap, so they were returned. The fridge worked great for the 1st year or so before I started having problems with it (and if you think their mobile devices tech support is bad, try large appliances!). On the phones, the Moment I thought was a fluke of a bad phone, but it turned into a support nightmare. At least Sprint credited me back on that one. I thought the Epic would be a big improvement. While there was significant improvement on their part, they still suck IMHO.
In the grand scheme of things I own a HUGE amount of high tech devices. The amount of "support" I've shown Samsung with the 6 products I have bought (and 3 I've actually kept) is roughly equal to a pint of piss in the ocean. I won't write off a company based on 1 bad experience - I believe in 3 strikes and you're out and the Epic was #3.
At the end of the day, the only Samsung product I've bought and actually like is the Captivate. Ironically it's the only Samsung device I bought second hand (and behind a liquor store in a shady part of town at that).
While I'm thinking about it. I had a Philips Plasma TV which is now in pieces in my basement. About 95% of it's internals are Samsung manufactured and that thing was a steaming pile of baby ****. I now have 2 Panasonic TV's that I absolutely love.
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OK. Out of curiosity which manufacturer will you try next? I also am not thrilled with supporting Samsung. I just don't think they are totally at fault. HTC rushes out updates that don't work and some claim make the phones unuseable. So are you thinking LG or Motorola?
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Motorola for me. They may not have the fanciest screens but some close and quite technical friends of mine have the Droid 2, Droid X and their kids have Droid 3's. Yes, my SAMOLED's blow the Moto's screen away, but their phones have been quite reliable.
Also, I've been a fan of Motorola for a looooong time. My Nextel's took a brutal beating on a daily basis. I have no idea why my Razr's took all their abuse and survived. The radio's I installed in taxi cabs back in the early to mid 90's were not only rugged as all hell, but fairly high tech for their time in how they handled channel hopping and things. In my decade or so in cable we used TONS (literally tons) of their equipment and it always proved to be reliable. Not to mention the Motorola radio's that went to the battlefields and into space. That company knows how to build a damn fine RF device. I should have never strayed away from them.
Point taken. Funny thing was I bought a Samsung bluetooth headset. The ear hook snapped in half within 90 days and Samsung told me that is not included in the warranty and wanted to sell me a ear hook for $6. I told them to go screw themselves and would never buy another Samsung product. Then the Epic came out...LOL.
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Point taken. Funny thing was I bought a Samsung bluetooth headset. The ear hook snapped in half within 90 days and Samsung told me that is not included in the warranty and wanted to sell me a ear hook for $6. I told them to go screw themselves and would never buy another Samsung product. Then the Epic came out...LOL.
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Figures, the only movable part is not covered? Douchenozzles....
FWIW, I've always been happy with Plantronics devices. I have 2 of their BT earpieces for my mobile phones and use their CS50 series on my Avaya and Cisco endpoints.
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OK. Out of curiosity which manufacturer will you try next? I also am not thrilled with supporting Samsung. I just don't think they are totally at fault. HTC rushes out updates that don't work and some claim make the phones unuseable. So are you thinking LG or Motorola?
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If the google merger goes through, I would go with Motorola.
The thing that pissed me off was it sounded like it happened all the time. Got a package of 3 ear hooks for $6 from ebay instead of giving it to them for 1. But yeah, heard Plantonics makes good bluetooths.
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HTC pissed me off big time after I locked myself into a three year contract in 2010, only to find the last update my phone would ever see would come less than 12 months later.
Thanks the the Andromadus team I was fortunate to keep my phone running a newer version of Android, but at the end of the day, I don't care what anyone says, without help from HTC with a 3.0 kernel, the roms never really ran as well as they should.
Now it seems that not only are HTC not helping us out by releasing some of their drivers, they are actually using legal powers to go after the dev's working for free to make their ****ty old devices better! Go Figure: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/176z3i/htc_demanding_i_take_down_ruus_and_even_my_custom/
I won't be buying again from HTC anytime soon.
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and their new ****ty devices.
Iphonish device :
- so sd
- no removable battery
The g2 was my last, for sure.!
and here i thought i was done hatting htc.... seriously why is it that my once favorite smart phone company has their head so far up their ass that the loose all respect from those once committed customers? how do they not realize that the people most praising android phone manufactures tend to be the developers and users of custom software. when they piss of the ones with the loudest voices they loose not just the developers and users but when their base shrinks they start loosing the average customer too.
id bet for every one developer that leaves htc hundreds users of their custom roms go as well. and for each one of these people who leave hundreds more go from hearing their thoughts.... eh done ranting, **** HTC im through
If they would have given more support to the MyTouch 4G Slide I'd still be using it. Instead two devices have turned into paperweight mode because of HTC's lack of concern of its consumer base. The last decent phone they made was the G2, and I still keep it updated as a backup phone.
HTC makes such good phones yet they are way behind even on updating their flagship phones.
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HTC makes such good phones yet they are way behind even on updating their flagship phones.
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Good for what? They're little more than Android-skinned iPhail clones these days.
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Good for what? They're little more than Android-skinned iPhail clones these days.
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I must agree. I think HTC shoud not compete in the Iphone market (with no sd card, no hardware keyboard) instead they could creat its own market, find its own costumers, we are here waiting for a better G2 with a better hinge, faster and with more RAM/ROM.
I remember the times when to think HTC was to think good-solid-business-phones and they are now music-social-photo-iPhail-phones.
A good market stratagy could be encourage devs to develop for HTC instead for other brands. They have expensive lawyers that could be better used helping HTC encouraging devs than used to hunt them down.
I agree
HTC should stick with their own phones instead of trying to be like everyone else. I love my G2, and am actually considering getting the Samsung Relay 4G, I don't care for the all touch screen phones, I prefer to have a physical keyboard, ever since my first Sidekick Color, and up til a few years ago, I was a Sidekick freak til the Danger server crash and severe loss of my data. But I also realized that the Sidekick was a little behind the times and slow to catch up, so after my SK LX, I jumped to the Motorola Cliq, which was a bad move, but still a major stepping stone. I think HTC was on the right track with the hinge on the G2, I have had mine for almost 3 years now with no issues, and have dropped it more than several times!
diassuncao said:
I must agree. I think HTC should not compete in the Iphone market (with no sd card, no hardware keyboard) instead they could creat its own market, find its own costumers, we are here waiting for a better G2 with a better hinge, faster and with more RAM/ROM.
I remember the times when to think HTC was to think good-solid-business-phones and they are now music-social-photo-iPhail-phones.
A good market stratagy could be encourage devs to develop for HTC instead for other brands. They have expensive lawyers that could be better used helping HTC encouraging devs than used to hunt them down.
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