Samsung hasnt confirmed that there would be a official android 4.0 update for samsung i9000. So does this mean we will not get it as a official update? Cuz there is alot of other samsung phones that have been confirmed.
The SGS is almost 2 yrs old,so I'm assuming Samsung might have given up on us.But then again,till it's confirmed,nobody can know for sure.Besides,even if the official ICS for SGS is out,we're gonna end using the custom ROM anyway
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Maybe if we make a few more threads about this we will get an answer? We're probably only 10-20 more threads away if we just keep at it.
Hopefully Samsung hears the pleads of i9000 users and gives us an official update so the devs have a Easyer time giving us the roms.
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I will look forward to getting an official answer to this question.. but SlvrWolf~XP makes a good point...
It will probably be unlikely for Samsung to update our Galaxy S i9000 to ICS since we've already gotten update TWICE (not many phone brand and models got such privilege, Eclair > Froyo > GingerBread). And Samsung may want to make both Galaxy S I and S II (with Nexus S) differentiated so that more people are encouraged to buy the newer phones...
I think SGS will not get ICS
Read today info from Samsung Mobile https://www.facebook.com/notes/sams...ch-upgrade-for-galaxy-devices/328795820483403
Yeah, they just announced on twitter too, seems like Galaxy S is not in the update list.
Well, a port from ICS on the Nexus S should work just fine.
I wonder what their reasons are for not updating the Galaxy S, obviously it's not platform limitations since the Nexus S got it, shame on Samsung, hope they loose lots of costumers .
(BTW I have a Nexus S but I'm pissed for Samsung's attitude!)
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shame on Samsung, hope they loose lots of costumers .
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Things is who are they going to lose customers to? HTC and Motorola phones from early-mid 2010 aren't going to get it either. The answer for updates is to get a Nexus phone from...oops.
The whole landscape of branded devices sucks not just Samsung, but I guess 'the grass is always greener' and people will just move to another manufacturer with little or no research into the facts of whether they are actually better for updates or not. If we take a look:
Moto announced a list of devices...not even the Atrix dual-core phone released in early 2011 was included, although it may be added. Anything from 2010 you can probably forget it.
On the HTC side the phone that came out at the same time as the SGS, at least around here, was the Desire. They had a heck of a time getting gingerbread to run on that apparently, ICS is probably out of the question, so no improvement there.
Basically anywhere I look only phones released within the last year are getting ICS officially. The grass isn't always greener, although I suspect many will jump over the fence without taking a very close look. Again the only real answer is a Nexus, unfortunately this iteration is a bit disappointing so myself I'm going to try and hold out for the next one although I admit at this point a year seems very far away.
and think of it from a business POV st's not good business practice to have complete support for an old platform, I mean look at MS the ONLY reason they still support XP is because of businesses, though that's slipping away furthermore 2 year contracts are common place for phones nowadays due to most being smartphone related so people who own the SGS back in 2010 are now due for an upgrade anyway so it won't bother the main bulk of consumers.
Personally I'm planning on waiting it out for the SGSIII so regardless the i9000 gets it for most is irrelevant.
Not a surprise for me and I don’t care what Sammy is doing.
Long live CM9
Well the thing is not other do... the thing is Galaxy S is still with a shi#y firmware after all this time. Not even on its "death" there is not a stock rom to make it perform as it should. Cmon' take a look at CM7... now imagine a Samsung built ROM based on it, even with all that crappy TouchWiz.. great camera, 720p recording, great battery life, fast as light.
Now... how can I buy another phone from them, knowing that maybe it will never work as it should. When SGS was released everybody said how fast it is, king of the hill... wth, it was crawling... Unfortunately, Samsung has Gorilla glass, has Amoled, low prices.... HTC has gread build quality, no Gorilla, no low prices, high performance....
Very disappointed by Samsung.
This is a high end device released in 2010 and already abandoned.
The S1 is perfectly compatible with ICS, this is pure business, or how to force
people to buy a new phone they don't need. Planned obsolescence, just like apple (but even Apple or HTC offer better software support...)
Of course there will be unofficial roms, but imho it's never the same quality as an official one.
Next time i'll choose an official google nexus device.
Samsung forgot his smart baby snif
Cyano is here, fortunatly, to give GS1 users a good Ics experience
Samsung lost me as a customer if they choose not to update the SGS. I've already said I'll never buy a Samsung phone in the past because of their lack of support and lack of timely updates, but this now goes to anything Samsung.
I have a Samsung laptop and a Samsung TV, both of which I'll be replacing with a newer model in the coming weeks, but now those replacements will not be Samsung models.
I wouldn't be upset if there was a hardware compatibility issue like lack of memory, but there isn't.
It's perfectly capable. As for this 18 month thing, fine. Let them use that. But my i9000m only has 2.3.3 while the rest of the world has 2.3.6. They stopped updating my phone a long time ago, so they didn't even give me 18 months since they stopped me at 2.3.3 with all it's problems.
HTC even gave some of their older phones gingerbread by scaling down HTC sense to accommodate hardware limitations. Yet Samsung won't with no limitations for ICS.
The Galaxy Nexus was a phone I was thinking about, but no longer. I'm not going to line Samsungs pockets anymore. I'll wait to do my upgrade to the Next Nexus that hopefully will be made by a different manufacturer.
Samsung screwed their update processes with the million incarnations of our phones. Updates are too hard and lengthy for them to complete because of this, so they are taking the easy way out.
Samsungs war with Apple? They just sent a lot of SGS owners their way. At least you know your phone well always get updates provided the hardware is capable, even if they have to scale it down like they did on the 3GS.
I for one will never buy Apple, but count me in the camp of never buying Samsung again too if I don't get ICS officially from them.
My apologies for my rant.
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Here i come apple, samsung made me to. 3GS is older than sgs and it runs iOS5 from this year. Something android phones can just dream on.
I agree with you Greeced.
The SGS has been well maintained to date.
But the samsung's update policy is just catastrophic.
In some countries, people don't even have an official gingerbread update trough Kies.
Samsung sold millions of SGS in the world (the device is still available in most countries). Their policy is unacceptable. And it's too easy to blame the operators.
Next time i'll choose an official google nexus phone (regardless of the manufacturer) because they are always good phones and it's a guarantee to have a long-term support.
To everyone that says "x company will lose sales", while that may be true, how many of the millions sold are used by people who have knowledge or interest in the latest android? Many buy the phone and enjoy it and use it, and just don't care or aren't particularly bothered by the update pattern.
What I find amazing is that the Galaxy S Plus isn't even on the list and that's what, 6 months old?
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Very disappointed by Samsung.
This is a high end device released in 2010 and already abandoned.
The S1 is perfectly compatible with ICS, this is pure business, or how to force
people to buy a new phone they don't need. Planned obsolescence, just like apple (but even Apple or HTC offer better software support...)
Of course there will be unofficial roms, but imho it's never the same quality as an official one.
Next time i'll choose an official google nexus device.
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I believe that is the mentality that they want the market to have...mission complete.
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Galaxy S is a wonderful phone with many-many hardware advantages but with one major disadvantage, and it's called Samsung Software Support.
I really like this phone but I believe that Froyo will be the last update that Samsung is going to give, so i believe that the only hope of this phone is custom Roms
Nexus One have great cookers like to support it. Does anyone have the intention to do the same thing for Galaxy S?
If you are worried about that, then don't buy the Galaxy S now. Wait a month or two and see how it looks then?
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Thats what I'm going to do, I don't plan to buy it now, but I have my eye on it and I didnt find any info on the subject, so I made this thread.
hey m8, i know how "Bad" samsung support is and I don't wanna disagree with your opinion but seriously, what major improvements to you want? ginger bread? has it even been stated what ginger bread will improve? for now 2.1 and 2.2 will be good.... and I don't even keep the same phone for longer than 1-2 years, technology improves to fast, phones get slimmer and nicer.
you get my point this is the best out there, take it enjoy it hack it but dont plan on keeping it for a decade.
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, google said that in the next 6 months is going to amaze us. I believe that mean gingerbread.
I also believe that google has many innovations to show us with android so an upgradeable device is necessary.
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hey m8, i know how "Bad" samsung support is and I don't wanna disagree with your opinion but seriously, what major improvements to you want? ginger bread? has it even been stated what ginger bread will improve? for now 2.1 and 2.2 will be good.... and I don't even keep the same phone for longer than 1-2 years, technology improves to fast, phones get slimmer and nicer.
you get my point this is the best out there, take it enjoy it hack it but dont plan on keeping it for a decade.
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True, true, but i mean at the very least some common and very easy bug fixes and stuff. I own the Omnia II and the only bug fixes come from cookers and very very few ppl who has privileged access to samsung new roms (and they "won't" tell where they get it from, so prolly insider roms imo).
By the way, what's that "amazing" thing google has announced??? hardware or software??
i think the "bad support" by samsung is exaggerated by people...
i would not call it bad support, if samsung releases updates to add the following long after the release of the phone (they could have said "we already got your money ... bad luck for you"):
they fixed photocontacts, then after it was fixed they changed photocontacts because people did not like the way it worked (but it worked nontheless)...
what company would change something after they just fixed it so it is not broken anymore ? that is really bad support, to hear the wishes and likes of how things should work (even if they are currently not broken).
then they gave us kinetic scrolling .. something that was never even mentioned as feature for the phone in the first place ...
i think its just greedy people who spend some money on a phone and now expect the manufacturer to keep it updated forever so it is always the best with all features that even where not invented when the phone initially was released ... go to work, earn some dollars and buy a new phone instead of expecting a company (whos target is to make money) to spend money just so you have the finest things for free without giving a dime for it and after that the spoilt users will still moarn that they did not get unlimited updates for free
If you check out their open source website, you will find Galaxy S' Kernel and driver. I'm not custom ROM developer, and dose not know about that well.
However, other XDA member said that this is enough to port other ROMs such as Sense UI.
According to Samsung Mobile twitter, Froyo will come 100%. Ginger-Bread is not clear.
I will buy Galaxy S. More people means More support from home cooker.
Gingerbread is going to come out next year. Google said they are going to only release an Android update once a year now. No one even knows what Gingerbread is going to offer next year so why worry about an update? Enjoy it now and enjoy it more when it gets Froyo.
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Gingerbread is going to come out next year. Google said they are going to only release an Android update once a year now. No one even knows what Gingerbread is going to offer next year so why worry about an update? Enjoy it now and enjoy it more when it gets Froyo.
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Agreed lol!
the 2.1 on the sammy seems VERY usable, yes forever, not just for a year, because it has nearly everything we would need.
the more you get, the more you want.
I question whether people actually sit down and think. Some say "no 2.2 froyo = a failure".. while before it was "no 2.1 = a failure".. and before that no "1.6 = a failure". it's a foolish never ending cycle of wanting more more more even though each version is fully usable.
seriously what kind of comment is that, the phone has everything almost, even if it doesn't according to the person, it has enough for us to use it as a phone and camera and internet and mp3/video.
I hope people will realize what is on the sammy is enough (unless you want to install themes only that's cool).
Obviously not indicative of whether or not the GS will get Gingerbread, but as for bug fixes Samsung are apparently releasing GS firmware updates in Singapore:
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2781948&page=95
From my own limited experience, there were several firmware updates for the Omnia I as well, although never an official upgrade from WinMo 6.1 to to 6.5 even though the phone could run it just fine (probably because they wanted to sell Omnia II instead).
Well, that's what i mean. I also had omnia, it's a very good phone that never got win6.5 officially even though it could.
That's what i'm afraid of with galaxy.
I expect many innovations with every new version of android so it would like to be able to have it in Galaxy s if im going to be an owner.
Lets hope that a great cooker is heading this way
Well, concerning Samsung's support, I'm pretty sure it's not going to be that bad. Samsung released Android 2.1 for the Galaxy Spica way before HTC has released Android 2.1 for the Hero. It's got a bed rep because of the way they handle the Behold I and II in the US and some Windows Mobile phones, and that's because they apparently don't want to support phones that haven't sold well (and probably because they have to pay for the Qualcomm drivers). Because the Galaxy S is probably going to be rather popular with its worldwide release and runs on Samsung's own hardware, I do think Samsung will supply us with an update, at least to Android 2.2.
As for ROM development: Samsung has provided us with the complete source of Android running on the Galaxy S, so it should be perfectly possible to develop ROMs once the device is rooted (which could even be accomplished with the HTC Incredible) and a bootloader can be used for it. At least, that's how far I've understood it.
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Well, concerning Samsung's support, ..... It's got a bed rep because of the way they handle the Behold I and II in the US and some Windows Mobile phones. .....
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Their Symbian phones didn't get the same love as well. I am afraid this is not restricted to one part of the world or one phone or two. It's just Samsung providing almost perfect hardware and crappy software.
The orphan approach is what Samsung keep doing. While, the community suppose to be the one adopting Samsung projects. This kinda lame and I really hate it.
Anyway, back to the topic (somehow).
Does anyone of you heard any news about Samsung Galaxy S Pro?
I am trying to hold for 1 month or two before getting my Android and I am not the type who changes his phone according to a season or his pair of shoes.
Hopefully, the keyboard version comes sooner than latter.
The next thing to wow us is probably gonna be phones with screens that can produce 3D effects
Probably not a good idea to compare how Samsung treats phones with an OS, they have/had to pay for(WM and Sybian) with one that's free(Android). Upgrading those payed for OS' might be much more expensive than the free OS. The higher the cost the less likely anyone would wanna upgrade, no?
Personally I think this is kinda silly. Is there any mobile manufacturer that has a really good trackrecord(aside from possibly Apple)? Seems people moan about the support, or lack of, from all of them...
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Probably not a good idea to compare how Samsung treats phones with an OS, they have/had to pay for(WM and Sybian) with one that's free(Android). Upgrading those payed for OS' might be much more expensive than the free OS. The higher the cost the less likely anyone would wanna upgrade, no?
Personally I think this is kinda silly. Is there any mobile manufacturer that has a really good trackrecord(aside from possibly Apple)? Seems people moan about the support, or lack of, from all of them...
Regards
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I think HP used to produce quick update for windows mobile devices. However, they are charging for the update. That for windows 2003se to WM5.
I have bad experience with HTC. They take forever to update.
Another phone I have is O2 XDA mini. I never have any update since the device release.
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Probably not a good idea to compare how Samsung treats phones with an OS, they have/had to pay for(WM and Sybian) with one that's free(Android). Upgrading those payed for OS' might be much more expensive than the free OS. The higher the cost the less likely anyone would wanna upgrade, no?
[3]Personally I think this is kinda silly. Is there any mobile manufacturer that has a really good trackrecord(aside from possibly Apple)? Seems people moan about the support, or lack of, from all of them...
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1- It called Symbian
2- It is open source = Free = Your argument isn't valid for it
3- Agree
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1- It called Symbian
2- It is open source = Free = Your argument isn't valid for it
3- Agree
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regardless of the fact i see no reason for them not to upgrade to gingerbread i doubt very serious there would be much hardship, also knowing me if/when this come to t-mobile and i get it i know it will be rooted so im not worrying about updates on a company end.
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1- It called Symbian
2- It is open source = Free = Your argument isn't valid for it
3- Agree
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1 - Apologies. I guess I didn't really press the "m" when I typed Symbian.
2 - It wasn't always, which is why I wrote "have/had" and included it. I don't even know, if Symbian was free when Samsung used it in the Omnia HD...
3 - Good!
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I read in another forum that they thought rooting of the AT&T Captivate is unlikely, due to its difference from Galaxy S, and that AT&T would prevent that.
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unlikely....but until someone versed in the skill of rooting gets his hands on the Captivate, it's all speculation i.e. pointless.
I don't think it will make much difference. Sure, ATT tends to lock their devices down... But, that is normally on a general user basis. Think about the iCrap - they were still able to be jailbroken, etc.
If a method of "Root" is found for any of the Galaxy S devices I would think that same method would work on all of them.
However, this is just my opinion and like the previous post stated - until we get one in hand we can't be 100% sure.
As far as the Captivate being a lot different from the other Galaxy S devices... Samsung is pushing to have a "Galaxy S" device on all carriers and in 110 countries. There will most likely be some small differences among the devices. However, it wouldn't seem likely that they would be different enough that one ROM couldn't be used for several different models. Take a look at what CyanogenMod did with their ROM's - slight differences allow for them to be used on two HTC devices and the Motorola Droid. Most Desire/N1 ROMS are almost interchangeable.
If the Galaxy S is anywhere NEAR as successful as Samsung is hoping there will be a LOT of people wanting root and custom ROMS.
Galaxy S Rooted
www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s-rooted-it-aint-easy
Galaxy S rooted. Good new for Captivate...Hopefully.
The HTC Aria has already been rooted, too. So I don't expect it would take long for the Captivate. Wonder if the addition of the gyroscope would make things more difficult
Only other thing I'd like to see then after the root is a rom to load that is the original, in case of warranty needs.
I am torn between an AT&T Nexus One and a Captivate.
I want to stay with AT&T because the wife loves her iphone. The Captivate would be much cheaper via an upgrade but I dont think I want it if its not going to be able to be rooted.
I am going to wait a couple of weeks and see how the scene looks before jumping on it the first day its available.
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Only other thing I'd like to see then after the root is a rom to load that is the original, in case of warranty needs.
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the way I understand it. you create a backup during the rooting process. So you can restore to original.
Thanks
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The HTC Aria has already been rooted, too. So I don't expect it would take long for the Captivate. Wonder if the addition of the gyroscope would make things more difficult
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It doesn't have a gyroscope. It has a "six-axis accelerometer" that acts like one. I don't think this is a significant change.
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It doesn't have a gyroscope. It has a "six-axis accelerometer" that acts like one. I don't think this is a significant change.
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Why are you trading up from N1 to Captivate? N1 is still a really good phone. i hear customization for this phone will take some time before it releases. it took nearly two month to release custom rom for Galaxy S the Euro Version. I think i might wait for the captivate until i there is a good rom to run on.
I also hear that samsung will prevent future updates. in the news froyo will be released but looking at the history of previous android samsung phones, they might not release the update and make customers buy a new equipment.
Also due to some driver encryption, only rom we can customize is the version samsung releases. I hope i am wrong about this cuz i want this phone. but i don't want to buy now and have a outdated phone six month later. Phones like N1 will have new custom rom every time goggle release an update. I also like to get a N1 but ATT version is so expensive.
Ummmm...has anyone forgotten that Samsung has been more cooperative and timely in releasing their kernel and driver source code than most (all?) of their competitors?
I present Exhibit 1 for the SGS:
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/reception_main.do?searchValue=i9000&method=reception_search
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Ummmm...has anyone forgotten that Samsung has been more cooperative and timely in releasing their kernel and driver source code than most (all?) of their competitors?
I present Exhibit 1 for the SGS:
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/reception_main.do?searchValue=i9000&method=reception_search
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yeah but this is for the i9000. US version is i897. Is this going to be compatible to US version?
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Why are you trading up from N1 to Captivate? N1 is still a really good phone. i hear customization for this phone will take some time before it releases. it took nearly two month to release custom rom for Galaxy S the Euro Version. I think i might wait for the captivate until i there is a good rom to run on.
I also hear that samsung will prevent future updates. in the news froyo will be released but looking at the history of previous android samsung phones, they might not release the update and make customers buy a new equipment.
Also due to some driver encryption, only rom we can customize is the version samsung releases. I hope i am wrong about this cuz i want this phone. but i don't want to buy now and have a outdated phone six month later. Phones like N1 will have new custom rom every time goggle release an update. I also like to get a N1 but ATT version is so expensive.
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I'm not gonna go off of what people have heard or baseless speculation. The N1 is really starting to piss me off with its crappy RF and now that I have my iPhone 4 I'm not liking the N1 too much so I'm hoping this device is going to be much better. I can deal with not having 2.2 right away and I think this phone will sell amazingly well and there will be lots of support official or not so I'm gonna take my chances.
The reason Samsung probably didn't update their previous Android devices is because they were utter crap and anyone buying them should have seen that coming. Why buy a phone that already has last gen hardware and expect to have the latest software?
I personally will be up at the crack of dawn heading to my att store which had a hard time confirming that it was actually going to be released sunday.
I do believe that there will be custom roms available and that for the most part they will be compatible with the various versions of the galaxy S. These samsung phones will probly be the hottest devices on the market for a while and I expect to see a good number of quality devs doing some wonderful things for these phones. Anythings possible with android hell I'm running FROYO on a old tilt
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I'm not gonna go off of what people have heard or baseless speculation. The N1 is really starting to piss me off with its crappy RF and now that I have my iPhone 4 I'm not liking the N1 too much so I'm hoping this device is going to be much better. I can deal with not having 2.2 right away and I think this phone will sell amazingly well and there will be lots of support official or not so I'm gonna take my chances.
The reason Samsung probably didn't update their previous Android devices is because they were utter crap and anyone buying them should have seen that coming. Why buy a phone that already has last gen hardware and expect to have the latest software?
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bs. the samsung i8910 which i have was and still is great hardware.. the camera is better than the galaxy.. it also has a flash.. the gps is better than the galaxy.. the cpu is slower 600 vs 1ghz but it is great harware.. just crappy symbian o.s.
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I personally will be up at the crack of dawn heading to my att store which had a hard time confirming that it was actually going to be released sunday.
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hehe good thing im wfh on sunday am and i live like 2 min away from the ATT COR store...i can drive by and see if there is a line...i think the iP4 is going back...
N1 is not even close to the Galaxy series I have a desire which has 64mb ram than an N1 and it still lags like a mofo. Side by side, desire rather dated seriously.
@ lgkahn Mega-pixels don't mean quality, just take a look at the '8mp' EVO CMOS camera... they're CRAP Any CMOS lens will be crap, hands down. If you want a REAL CCD camera get a real one they're sub $100
If there's a line then you shouldn't have waited. I walked in on Wednesday to a Little Rock store to see one, they offered to sell it to me right then & there but I needed to wait for my wife to make up her mind on what phone she wanted. She verified on Thursday with one of the San Antonio stores that sure, they'd sell it early so on Friday we walked in & walked out with the Captivate, no problem. Asking never hurts.
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I have the captivate... I just rooted it however there seems to be no roms out there for it yet... Also I notice that on my wife's Samsung Vibrant using Tmobile when she goes to teh Android market there are certain apps there but when i go to the android market on my captive using at&t i can't find the Mod Install location app or the apps 2 sd ap.... this is strange. anyone have any ideas
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I read in another forum that they thought rooting of the AT&T Captivate is unlikely, due to its difference from Galaxy S, and that AT&T would prevent that.
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I have my phone rooted, nandroided, AT&T bloatware removed, sideloading, and ready for a custom froyo ROM. Not many other phones have advanced this far, this quickly into their life cycle. I bet Captivate will be one of the first to get a Gingerbread ROM, if not from Samsung, then from the community, it certainly meets the hardware requirements. Without a locked down bootloader and an eFuse, Captivate (and all the Galaxy S siblings released thus far) are more hackable than their competition, not less.
[Q] Galaxy S I9000 to Nexus S [FULL UPGRADE]
Hiya'll
I'm considering an upgrade from my current Galaxy S "international" to the new Nexus S. Some of you may not consider it an upgrade hence I'd like to take it further here. I'd love to receive all the new updates as fast as possible unlike now when I had to wait three months for Froyo on the SGS to arrive through Kies after its official release by Google. Also reading through the forum, I doubt Samsung will release any updates beyond 2.3 for SGS.
Do you value the new Samsung handset and consider it as potential upgrade? Or would you rather stick to your SGS as you're completely pleased with it?
I'd like to know if there's anyone else out there waiting for the Nexus S as I'm
the SGS is probably a better phone. with Micro SD and FM radio is more important than flash camera and NFC I think.
As for the updates yeah I agree it would be nice but yeah it's a tough decision. I'll probably stay with the SGS unless I can get the nexus S cheaply
Guys this is what samsung want, they wont/delay upgrade to 2.3 for SGS cuzz they want to sell their new flagship phone, this is what samsung always do, and this is not just me, i've read the same thing in some other blogs and websites also.
Think about it !
The Galaxy S is indeed a better phone.
Google focused more on software than hardware, so they didn't want anything to hinder it's performance. Thus, hardware-wise, Galaxy S is the better phone, and once it runs Gingerbread - it will be even better than the Nexus S.
There will be other phones coming out with 2.3. And if Samsung still wants to sell the SGS by then, they will have to deliver it with 2.3.
Not all competition is internal. And while for some products or manufacturers it makes sense to handicap the entry level models (for example when it is cheaper to produce the same hardware, and a cheaper model is sold with reduced functionality but still at a profit) this doesn't apply to SGS, as it is the top of the line.
I think the Nexus S is more of a sidegrade, and it seems the NFC makes it rather thick. It seems more like a technology demo than a mass market product to me.
But then, GT-i9100 or GT-i9200 would also be coming. Those could be essentially identical to the SGS with the differentiator being the software. So I feel those do pose a real risk in this regard,
Best point of SGS: it will boot everything you throw at it. It is not locked down, so it is open for any formware that is released independent of kernel changes even. But a bad point is that there does not seem to be a real public, team work developer community; the serial interface to the SBL looks really interesting and might even allow booting from the external SD card! I didn't find a forum that stimulates me to do that kind of experiments yet, especially as signal to noise is so low. Whenever an interesting development happens, the threads are filled with posts like 'will this be ported to Captivate' (by whom?), repeat questions, and other displays of entitlement.
jutezak, appreciate your opinion and the SGS indeed is a great handset. However, if we'll depend on the developer community aside from the manufacturer then that would probably slow the process of receiving updates. Most developers even at XDA will run a certain project and end it as soon as it feels complete although bugs are constantly reported. Some even leave without further notice.
I appreciate all the hard work done by all developers yet the manufacturer here i.e. Samsung plays a far more significant role unless they also seem to neglect the SGS to pose their focus on another peice of tech.
In terms of hardware the Nexus S may not seem as a potential rival yet meriting it's Google heritage as the next Nexus One in line raises no compatibility issues with any Android App released to date as seen accross the platform with many other Android devices.
I'd really like to get a Nexus S
but without the extra SD card slot... it is a big no no....
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Guys this is what samsung want, they wont/delay upgrade to 2.3 for SGS cuzz they want to sell their new flagship phone, this is what samsung always do, and this is not just me, i've read the same thing in some other blogs and websites also.
Think about it !
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nexus s is not samsung's flagship, sgs is still their flagship phone. nexus s is google's phone made by samsung.
Samsung Mobile already tweated SGS will get 2.3 for sure
there is a topic about that
in all honesty i cant see what gains there in the Nexus S to a Galaxy S owner... as stated lack of memory card expansion slot - poor effort IMO!
the only plus i see is that it runs google supplied O/S and not samsung played with version! im running JPU on my galagy with ADW.Launcher and im more than happy, stock rom, rooted but no lagfix and its far superior to all other releases. If Gingerbread is released to Galaxy S users then id happily stick with SGS over NS.
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in all honesty i cant see what gains there in the Nexus S to a Galaxy S owner... as stated lack of memory card expansion slot - poor effort IMO!
the only plus i see is that it runs google supplied O/S and not samsung played with version! im running JPU on my galagy with ADW.Launcher and im more than happy, stock rom, rooted but no lagfix and its far superior to all other releases. If Gingerbread is released to Galaxy S users then id happily stick with SGS over NS.
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exactly and we are getting more and more custom ROMS builds per day, many of which are pretty stock android
soon enough we'll have a completely deoxed version without any junk add-on
It all comes down to money. Most of us can't afford to upgrade every 6 months. Any upgrade is worthwhile if money isn't a factor.
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It all comes down to money. Most of us can't afford to upgrade every 6 months. Any upgrade is worthwhile if money isn't a factor.
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it doesnt help that the service providers now only offer 18/24 month contracts (i dont think anyone does 12month now!)
Loads of 12 months contacts in Oz.
It's Googles phone, not Samsungs although they make it. Doubt Samsung is going to drop the Gallaxy and start promoting a rivals phone.
Serious note. SGS should now get updates just after Google phone users, now they use the same hardware. If not Samsung didn't negotiate a good deal when agreeing to supply them with hardware.
Samsung seems the place to be now, move over HTC.
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Loads of 12 months contacts in Oz.
It's Googles phone, not Samsungs although they make it. Doubt Samsung is going to drop the Gallaxy and start promoting a rivals phone.
Serious note. SGS should now get updates just after Google phone users, now they use the same hardware. If not Samsung didn't negotiate a good deal when agreeing to supply them with hardware.
Samsung seems the place to be now, move over HTC.
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very few if any offer 12 month in the UK now
the handset is still technically Samsungs, but built specific to the needs of Google... its pretty much the SGS with a few tweaks and additions, running stock android 2.3
we (the samsung SGS owners) would hope they have a decent agreement regarding the O/S updates, but as others have said "why would they release a new flagship to outshine the SGS then make it better?"
Have you guys ever considered the Nexus S to be a GOOGLE ONLY device like all the other NEXUS/G1 dev phones? In other words its not Samsungs top of the range device. I say the GT-9200 or Samsung Galaxy 2 would be Samsungs flagship. Maybe it will be a Nexus S with FM and external memcard and LED Flash. The reasoning behind my thoery is if you looked at HTC, Yes they did release the Nexus One but handed over the marketing and support of the device to Google while they released and marketed the HTC Desire (their flagship device at the time). Either way the Nexus One isn't ment for the general public even though you can buy it and the next Galaxy whatever its going to be called will be Samsungs baby. So basicly what I'm saying is the Nexus One is a moot point for everyone saying they want to upgrade to it and just wait for the next Galaxy S (GT-9200) which I'm feeling will land or be announced in Feb as thats when Samsungs new Amoled factory will go online. Also word is that they will stop making Galaxy S after Dec anyways to supply screen for the Nexus One which will be a stop gap til launch of Galaxy S 2 (or whatever the new flagship device is) Samsung has a history of killing devices to supply screens to their flagship phone. Ie they killed off the Samsung Wave and replaced it with the Wave II which only had SLCD and lower spec hummingbird because they needed the parts for the Galaxy S.
How many of you think its worthwhile to shift to a Nexus S? If not why?!
My next device must have a dual core processor with a higher resolution to convince me to make the jump! Or atleast more RAM....if the Nexus S had 1GB of RAM, i'd surely be tempted to switch!
What's your stance?
I'm not going to upgrade to Nexus S because I don't see it as an upgrade nor as a downgrade.
We'll probably get a port from honeycomb, so I will use my SGS for a while.
Other than the pure android experience I don't see much reason to upgrade. If it had a standard submatrix samoled I'd upgrade in a heartbeat.
I'm not as i don't see it as a step forward.
Yes some things may be new and better, but overall I see the nexus as a step sidways from the galaxy s.
Personally I don't see the attraction with the curved display, now do i like the idea of NFC, I dont wanna be walking along and have things flashing up on my phone.
I dont know why they bothered inventing nfc when there is bluetooth, wifi, 3g and qr codes available.
I also see the lack of external SD card as a downgrade.
Samsung has stated the possibility of an official update to the Android operating system version 2.3, which is intended for all of the issued units range Galaxy. The new OS has a more refined user interface has been improved as well by copying and pasting text. In addition there is support for video on the Internet - resources (WebM/VP8) and full support for VoIP calls using the built-in front camera. However, the emphasis on developers are increasing the performance of their devices at the same time, the new version of the operating system has increased the battery life of smartphones by optimizing the energy consumption. All of the devices in this family can be updated automatically by means of an instrument Kies, which is a formal program for flashing devices. The latest version of the operating system can also be downloaded from the official website of the company. updates, in particular, the following models are available: Galaxy S (I9000), Galaxy Ace (S5830), Galaxy Fit (S5670), Galaxy Gio (S5660) and Galaxy Mini (S5570) . Just now getting ready for the new firmware Galaxy S scLCD (I9003), Galaxy Tab 3G (P1000) and Galaxy Tab Wi-Fi (P1010), which will appear later.
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You are Right, ilievski.ace, full agreement!
But that's the normal behavior since creation of economy. Specially since the invention of the "game" of developing HARDWARE & SOFTWARE
They are not interested, that we use our cheap phones forever. They want you to buy a new one.
That's quiet easy and logical.
Our G3 is not a high end phone and unfortunately the development of software seems to be too expensive for them. So they concentrate on their new devices.
That's sad, but not the customer is their interest but the profit in the end.
I really hate to explain any customers, that they should buy a hole new computer after 3 or 4 years, because it's cheaper for them, than the costs of changing the motherboard and recreate the OS with the new Hardware for example... ;(
Siple answer for samsung reply is that they will not take care of g3. It's not so popular as other models so they leave it for good...
Shame.
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samsung must sold new models, who cares for the old one
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Of course it's not right. I don't care about Samsung's reasons. SG3 is not an old legacy handset, it is about a year old device! There is no reason to abandon it, and contrary to many people's beliefs, it's quite popular because it's relatively cheap for an Android phone so many people have it and use it - Samsung sees this as another opportunity to sell even more handsets to even more people because it will deny many people simple software upgrades. Samsung is acting like Apple and it's a bad behavior, I and many other people will never buy another product - at least a phone - from Samsung. I recommend everyone to pass SG3 and to boycott Samsung in any way they can because Samsung deserves it. Many other manufactures act similarly, but not to this extent and they do release unofficial hacks and they "borrow" their devs to the community to hack some updates even if they refuse to do it publicly. SE X10, the device released in the beginning of 2009 with android 1.5 got it's 2.3.4 update recently! How can Sony-Ericsson do that for practically dead phone? How is that suddenly "Rational" to SE?
Samsuck can screw themselves with their piss poor overpriced hardware, if I wanted to be treated like this I would have bought Apple iPhone 3GS and I would at least have a decent piece of hardware.
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You are right.They just whant money money and again money..
They said that they will update our phone to 2.2 but in my country there is none update and my country isnt listed!!!!?
My point i think that they will never update our phone to 2.3 whic is sad (((
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It's all about money
"KOLKU PARI TOLKU MUZIKA" MEANS HOW MUCH MONEY THAT MUCH MUSIC
Samsung sucks, they look good on paper but they just suck. The hardware of SG3 is badly done, drivers even worse, customer support is rubish, their firmwares are all buged and laggy and unreliable. If they upgraded the phone to 2.3 it would not make much difference i tell you, drivers are really bad. My next phone is going to be HTC i think
Right now I'm thinking in the same way as you. I will change samsung to sth different. Because what i have seen after i bought this phone is a drama... But hope that cm project will be still active because in some way i like this phone.
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yeah, CM7 is really great, since its built from AOSP, no samsung crap. Marcellusbe has my greatest thanks. CM7 a4 is the best ROM i've used, no lags/crap/fcs like in samsungs firmware. I just cant wait for it to get to beta or rc. I won't be buying a new phone for a while now, so the devs are my only hope. Developers>Samsung
Waited for more than 4 months for official update to 2.2 without flashing on my own, since it was promised by Samsung.
And when it arrived my country, what did I get? Crappy, bugged, laggy rom!!!
All this waiting for what?! Flashed straight away to a better firmware like JPM, which wasnt meant for my country. Then after, its all Custom ROMS. And by & far, they are much much much 100x better than what samsung released for public.
I have hope in our DEVs, and Im sure we will get 2.3...big thanks to the DEVs who keep alive our G3.
Today is pretty much a sad day for Samsung, ICS and Android in general, in my opinion.
Androids latest version, ICS, has been released about 5 months ago. Today, the most important Android device available on the planet, has not yet seen an update to this latest version yet, and I think that is something to be ashamed of. As a pretty normal user, I don't know and don't really care how much development goes on before releasing a new version, but a company that sells 300 million handsets in a year (of which at least 20 million of this type of handset that have cost the user somewhere between 400 and 550 euro's) I expect some more dedication to deliver a finished product worthy of it's name, fame and money. Google should be very upset that their latest product stays more or less hidden from public for about 6 months in this high paced market because multi-billion multinationals choose to dedicate too few people to get the software side of things sorted out.
All the false rumours don't really add to the experience of having a top-end device. Countless piles of crap have been pushed out by various dubious sources simply because Samsung does not wish to pin itself to a date. They knew, that people would have been outraged if they had stated in october that ICS would be released on the Android phone as much as half a year later. Instead, they let the irritation smolder and only give some vague hints once or twice during the whole period.
In my opinion, smartphone use is not as much about hardware as many of the Android manufacturers and users would like to see. The race for top specs will probably look quite ridiculous a few years from now. The secret to having an amazing device has it's foundation in good hardware (not neccesarily top notch hardware though) and esthetics/design, but without proper software this foundation will still be only a foundation. Nobody likes to own the best foundation in the world when there are no walls, windows, furniture, household appliances and great looks and functionality to make the living pleasureable. Off course, Samsung does provide us with all that in some way or another, but it is lagging behind seriously, especially compared to the competing major OS'es.
Naturally, every Android user has the possibility to blast everything off the foundation and build something custom on it, being either Samsung stuff with some extra things and paint added or removed, or being prefab Cyanogenmod or MIUI or whatever, but unfortunately this argument is worth almost nothing since it is again Samsung who decides when the bits and pieces become available for custom building, and this is lagging even further behind than their own software building, much to the irritation of the developers of custom firmware.
So, to sum it up, I think this has been a praticularly bad day for all SGS2 Android smartphone lovers. And being beaten to it by some other competing manufacturer does not help!
Thanks for listening
Dude, relax. It is just a phone. An nice one, but still a phone.
waaaaaaa
You do know Samsung don't have to release an update right?
Next time get a Nexus device, any other flavoured Android build takes time for adaptation and I'll rather they did a good job than rush a half baked build.
Your rant suggests you lack a fundamental understanding of the process.
Huge post lol
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i would rather have a stable rom with a bit of delay than a buggy one (doesnt apply to cyanogen mod )
and what are you on about its been about 3 months from the release of galaxy nexus
and anyways ics is coming tomorrow
we did have beta roms from december and we could see samsung patching bugs in each successive build this is what xda is we all work together to make our devices better and better
Stop moaning, HTC have just started rolling out ICS in certain regions, what about other Android manufacturers? Where's LG, where's Motorola? Where are their ICS leaks etc etc applies to all.
Each manufacturer has their own overlay on top of ICS this takes time and testing to get it right, it's a few months late oh well at least 2.3.6 is running fine though, there's no need for Samsung to update our phones to ICS they're a business do you think they care how long we have to wait no, they'd rather make money and focus on getting ICS running on their next flagship model then current flagship.
We will get it just a matter of when, if you don't like it get a Nexus, also made by Samsung.
All these posts bashing Samsung its just all the tech blogs making things worse!
If you dont like it get an iPhone or better yet a symbian device!
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lol, u mad
I would like the OP to tell me one thing that he/she can do on ICS that they can't do on gingerbread. And make it a decent example and not something like "monitor data usage" which I agree is nice to be built in but nothing that can't be done already with an app.
The way this post has been worded with all the "house/foundation" metaphor you would think that the SGS2 doesn't work at all atm and needs ICS to make it functional, which we all know is rubbish.
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@bluefa1con ICS is not coming tomorrow, they went back on their word this morning.
anyway, you're right, and i'm a bit disappointed because Samsung have been best buddy with Google since Google Dev Day 2011, they have access to early build of their OS, they even produced 2 Nexus phones for them, there's a huge meaning behind this, but still, Samsung waited till the last moment to start working on their flagship device, first leaked build started coming out after official ics aosp release, and their work is progressing very slowly, but, like someone before me said, it's just a phone, i just love playing around with it, and i don't mind waiting till april/may for a stable rom, all i want from them are kernel sources.
I completly agree with OP-post.
My rage is simple, I mean, We're the owners of the fastest and best device in 2011 and we still didnt even had a actual DATE. The only thing, that was said: "Q1 2012". If I remember correctly, they said that Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note will have the update at Q1.
But let me tell you this, if they're still delaying date, and giving wrong info at their official(!) website, it seems that SGS2 ICS is not ready or something, that means that Galaxy Note is even out of place, probably, it will have the update somewhere at Q2 of 2012. It's totally unacceptable from such big and sucessful company as Samsung. We can't trust them, simply, they say one thing, tomorrow it will be "wrong" or something.
Samsung making great devices, and I love them, but the thing as they communicate with their customers, with their community - is just unacceptable. They won so much awards for their phone, and they, still, can't release their update to us.
Next time, i'll go to pure Google Phone.
Sorry for my poor English.
It is simple..they just dont respect us..hope there will be day they pay for this..
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I completly agree with OP-post.
My rage is simple, I mean, We're the owners of the fastest and best device in 2011 and we still didnt even had a actual DATE. The only thing, that was said: "Q1 2012". If I remember correctly, they said that Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note will have the update at Q1.
But let me tell you this, if they're still delaying date, and giving wrong info at their official(!) website, it seems that SGS2 ICS is not ready or something, that means that Galaxy Note is even out of place, probably, it will have the update somewhere at Q2 of 2012. It's totally unacceptable from such big and sucessful company as Samsung. We can't trust them, simply, they say one thing, tomorrow it will be "wrong" or something.
Samsung making great devices, and I love them, but the thing as they communicate with their customers, with their community - is just unacceptable. They won so much awards for their phone, and they, still, can't release their update to us.
Next time, i'll go to pure Google Phone.
Sorry for my poor English.
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Same here mate..Those guys who have the GNEX are having the last laugh now. They even got a HTC sense 4.0 port as well those lucky bastards....I am gonna hold off till that release instead of going for the s3
About a year ago HTC decide to close their phones. That's why i decide to change to Samsung. And with me a lot of other HTC users. You are wright. This is not the way to communicate with your customers. This Samsung phone is my first and last one.
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Think about it this way a large proportion of users don't give a crap about what firmware is running on their phone as long as it works, us geeks or enthusiasts may give a crap, but my sister has got an S2, several other work colleagues have them to and none of them even know about custom roms and such let alone an update to ICS so to the mass it's not a major priority in having the latest or greatest firmware as long as they can use their phones that's what they care about.
Several work colleagues are still on the original firmware and I've told them to update but they don't care or don't have the technological ability to do so.
There is a higher percentage of normal users compared to us at XDA who make a minority.
And for those who say this will be their last Samsung device good for you, go buy a Nexus oh wait that's made by Samsung as well! I'll continue to enjoy my device running on gingerbread which works beautifully also knowing the fact it's still the best phone available currently apart from the Note which I consider a niche and better than the s2.
If you want aosp buy a Nexus otherwise deal with the fact that it takes longer to get an update. It's the way it is on Android, look at the other manufacturers as well its common. That's the problem with an open source system compared to iOS where there are a selected few devices so updates are quicker to roll out on the product lines.
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So what is next after ics update? There are going to be complaints that ics is bad, its touch wiz bla bla bla.
Ics is not going to turn your phone into super powered alien or going to give you 10 days backup. Why can't you people just wait.
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So what is next after ics update? There are going to be complaints that ics is bad, its touch wiz bla bla bla.
Ics is not going to turn your phone into super powered alien or going to give you 10 days backup. Why can't you people just wait.
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Why does Touchwiz still look the same, along those lines.... Why is it still green, etc etc.
TouchWiz 5 will be for the next flagship.
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I like GB.
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You do know Samsung don't have to release an update right?
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As in a contractual obligation? No indeed, I know that. But aparently (look around here on XDA) it is expected. Dissapoint customers too long, and you will be ditched for the one who doesn't.
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Next time get a Nexus device, any other flavoured Android build takes time for adaptation and I'll rather they did a good job than rush a half baked build.
Your rant suggests you lack a fundamental understanding of the process.
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Yeah, because getting a Nexus device will get you there quicker Most Nexus S users are still waiting on their update to ICS since updating was stopped at dec 20th.
And somewhere in my post I did mention myself that I lack fundamental understanding of the process of building firmware for handsets, thanks for repeating that to me. That doesn't mean I'm unable to compare this process to other processes and draw conclusions as a customer.
Updating on Android is slow and ceases quickly (this will probably be the last major update for the SGS2 already), so when developing stuff for Android you need to take at least 5 different versions of the OS into concideration because the market shares of the versions are very fragmented. A nuisance for developers, and also for users stuck on Froyo for example who cannot install some app because the developer chose to only build it for 2.3+ to save some time and money.
If you guys dont care that much, why you're replaying to this kind of threads?
The only thing I am talking about, is lack of communication between customer and Samsung. How the hell they can give fresh news about ICS update on their official website, and then, immidiatly, deleting it, and telling in twitter something about "wrong date". How cool is that?
They can at least say one time 100% date, but they're just keep all in secret, that's not the good way how they should treat to custumers of best device in 2011.
I'm still shocked how Galaxy Note users keep waiting for it, one leak, no news, no everything. Obviously, Sammy didnt release ICS for them in March, then, their saying about "Galaxy Note & Galaxy S2 ICS in Q1 2012" is wrong.