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Being charged for tethering?

I currently have a Vibrant and have unlocked the wireless hotspot that comes with the phone. I want to get the mytouch but T-Mobile is now imposing a 14.99 tether plan as of November 3rd. I do not use tethering enough to justify that expense, do you guys think we will be able to unlock the tethering that is built into froyo or just use some sort of app off the market to avoid paying the 14.99?

Pdanet is what I use on my wife's Vibrant.
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GentillyWoods said:
Pdanet is what I use on my wife's Vibrant.
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Hopefully that is something that can be used on the mytouch

If there is a will, there's a way

PolishDude said:
Hopefully that is something that can be used on the mytouch
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Should work as long as they don't gimp the market like AT&T has.
In either event, hacks to re-enable FroYo's built-in tethering should be trivial.

ATT GIMPED the market? how so I tether always I leave it on all night at hotels sometimes and no repercussions. Same plan no extra charge. unless they changed something and im grandfathered in with my old 4 year unlimited internet plan.

sdlopez83 said:
ATT GIMPED the market? how so I tether always I leave it on all night at hotels sometimes and no repercussions. Same plan no extra charge. unless they changed something and im grandfathered in with my old 4 year unlimited internet plan.
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Yes, gimped. As in, you can't install un-trusted sources. It's an option on every other android handset, except those from AT&T. They pretty much took the best part about Android and neutered it.
Are you rooted? I'm talking about stock settings, where you can't get at the option to change it. Of course, rooting is another story, but having the android market being the only official source for apps sucks ass.

Speaking as an employee of T-mobile, I am seriously confused as to how the company is going to implement these charges. I just got the mytouch 4g as a champion device, and the tethering works just fine for me! I didn't change my account or anything, but then again I am not on a standard account. Now, I doubt that the phone automatically disables the feature when it detects an account without the tethering feature, but maybe T-Mo has something up their sleeve. They like to leave us in the dark with the important details.
Edit: Also didn't consider that maybe it's something to do with the champion device itself. Perhaps they left it unlocked for us to screw with, but I'll test a retail unit soon and see if there's a difference.

Update coming! (Hopefully) for NS4G

http://m.androidcentral.com/nexus-s-4g-grj90-ota-might-be-coming-july-11
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Thank goodness. STOKED.

just saw this. Totally excited.

Crossing my fingers for 4G and WiFi signal improvements.
I hope it does not replace tethering with Sprint Hot Spot tethering option.

I can't wait. I love everything about this phone. Size, shape, performance.....ect. If this fixes the radio and wifi I will be the happiest phone-geek in town.
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Good lord I hope it helps my 3G signal!
I can't even pull in 50KB/s in NYC!

thank God! I barely saw today that I'm passed my 30 days so I can't return it lol. The signal issues and not loud enough speaker were the ONLY reasons why I considered returning it and now they'll be fixed!!!! I'm also happy cuz I work at Sprint so this means I can sell this sexyass phone with confidence that it wont be returned!!! Ahh!!!
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lqaddict said:
Crossing my fingers for 4G and WiFi signal improvements.
I hope it does not replace tethering with Sprint Hot Spot tethering option.
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Nope, contrary to what you've heard the tethering is something which comes standard and free with all Nexus phones. This is part of the carrier negotiation when acquiring a Nexus phone for their network. In fact, I will be willing to bet that with this update, native 4G tethering will be added But you will never see Sprint advertise this.

obsanity said:
Nope, contrary to what you've heard the tethering is something which comes standard and free with all Nexus phones. This is part of the carrier negotiation when acquiring a Nexus phone for their network. In fact, I will be willing to bet that with this update, native 4G tethering will be added But you will never see Sprint advertise this.
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the stock phone had 4g tethering.. it was the update that killed it, shorty after releasing the ns4g google changes the terms on their nexus site to reflect that tethering may cause fees etc..

I am wondering how much earlier our devs will have this fix ready. Any news on a leak for it?

shabbypenguin said:
the stock phone had 4g tethering.. it was the update that killed it, shorty after releasing the ns4g google changes the terms on their nexus site to reflect that tethering may cause fees etc..
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Never heard of that. Do you have a link to that statement?

Check your prls. Mine went from 01115 to 60679
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obsanity said:
Never heard of that. Do you have a link to that statement?
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http://www.google.com/nexus/#/features
Nexus S can function as a Wi-Fi hotspot for up to six portable devices such as laptops or tablets. Once connected, these devices will have access to the Internet.*
*Additional fees may apply based on carrier policy
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http://androidforums.com/nexus-s-4g/333966-did-grj22-update-disable-4g-tethering.html
you can also check for yourself on a stock rom, i dont think anyone has the release software so no way to really proved that the ota blocked it.. but iirc people had it working fine on launch day before everyone updated

obsanity said:
Nope, contrary to what you've heard the tethering is something which comes standard and free with all Nexus phones. This is part of the carrier negotiation when acquiring a Nexus phone for their network. In fact, I will be willing to bet that with this update, native 4G tethering will be added But you will never see Sprint advertise this.
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This is incorrect. I posted verification from Sprint a while back stating that free tethering is not going to continue. It's just a matter of time.
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shabbypenguin said:
http://www.google.com/nexus/#/features
http://androidforums.com/nexus-s-4g/333966-did-grj22-update-disable-4g-tethering.html
you can also check for yourself on a stock rom, i dont think anyone has the release software so no way to really proved that the ota blocked it.. but iirc people had it working fine on launch day before everyone updated
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OK I see that but additional fees MAY apply doesn't mean it may be blocked. I think this more or less refers to the carrier detecting that you are tethering and charging you extra.
I guess we'll see what happens but T-Mo never blocked it on neither Nexus One nor Nexus S and I never heard of people complaining about some tethering charges.
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snandlal said:
Check your prls. Mine went from 01115 to 60679
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Ok figured it out. When i update prl while having "home only" selected in mobile networks, it switched to 60679 from 01115.
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man im too lazy to unroot my phone.... lolz hopefully we can get a flashable version or something

Itll be rooted and posted on the 11th, for sure.
chewbz said:
man im too lazy to unroot my phone.... lolz hopefully we can get a flashable version or something
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obsanity said:
OK I see that but additional fees MAY apply doesn't mean it may be blocked. I think this more or less refers to the carrier detecting that you are tethering and charging you extra.
I guess we'll see what happens but T-Mo never blocked it on neither Nexus One nor Nexus S and I never heard of people complaining about some tethering charges.
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T-Mobile has no incentive really to block tethering or charge for it because they throttle data after you hit the soft cap (2GB or 5GB depending on your plan). Sprint has unthrottled uncapped unlimited data so it makes more sense for them to charge for tethering.

matt2053 said:
T-Mobile has no incentive really to block tethering or charge for it because they throttle data after you hit the soft cap (2GB or 5GB depending on your plan). Sprint has unthrottled uncapped unlimited data so it makes more sense for them to charge for tethering.
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What's the speed they throttle down to?
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Tethering with Barnical

So will att catch on? I only will use it for Playing world of warcraft for a few hours eevery 3 or 4 days and basic web browsing. A few hours of game play is ONLY about 50mb if even that. But will they catch on? I have the 30 dollar unlimated plan

I got a letter from att a month ago about tethering on my infuse. I'm not sure how they found out since I was running a cooked rom I wouldn't chance it cause they will switch your account to the 4 gig tethering plan
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N!ghtgold said:
I got a letter from att a month ago about tethering on my infuse. I'm not sure how they found out since I was running a cooked rom I wouldn't chance it cause they will switch your account to the 4 gig tethering plan
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Will they warn me first?? or will they just switch it?

Im sorry i didn't mean to post in this section i ha to many tabs and didn't see it
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hyelton said:
Will they warn me first?? or will they just switch it?
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They need to let you know they are changing your plan before they do so. I have been tethering with my phone for years now and ATT has never said anything to and I think it has to do with the amount of traffic. If they see a huge spike of activity and then they look at where that traffic is coming from and they see that you are connecting to battle net then they will know something is up(i know the traffic is not coming from battle net). What I am trying to say is do it within reason, as my guess is the people that they are catching are using well over 2GB a month.

I hope a mod moves this soon... But I heard of at least one person getting nailed with usage <1GB.

i used to tether my blackberry to my ipod touch forever and att has never said anything, i used to use it on my netbook when i went to school too. this was bluetoothtethering. but im think it has more to do with what a user is doing/amount of traffic they are using etc. as for the <gb guy, that may have been a random check or something else. but tethering to play online gaming you will surely get naildd... so use at your own risk knowing the consequences if they/when they find out

I've been tethering for years. I regularly go over 5gb's and at&t has never said anything. I am grandfathered in on the unlimited tho, and I normally only use it for tethering my tablet which is Android so it probably looks as tho it's just coming from my phone. Oh and occasional tethering to my Xbox when my DSL drops out. Lol.
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I believe it has to do with the internet stack in the phone. Seen an article a while back on this. If you use a cooked rom they will know if it is based on the stock kernal and rom. If you use something like cyanogenmod they shouldn't ever find out. I think I seen this explanation with verizon tethering and how to get around it.

goldfingerfif said:
I believe it has to do with the internet stack in the phone. Seen an article a while back on this. If you use a cooked rom they will know if it is based on the stock kernal and rom. If you use something like cyanogenmod they shouldn't ever find out. I think I seen this explanation with verizon tethering and how to get around it.
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but that wouldnt explain how i could tether with my blackberry to computers and ipods with no ATT wrath, and i know these are android phones but tethering is tethering..right?

How AT&T can find out?
About four months ago I received a txt from AT&T thanking me for enjoying my trial period of tethering for my iPhone and that a tethering package would automatically be on my next bill. The forum I was on (don't remember where) simply stated that all I had to do was go into an AT&T store and demand that I NOT be placed on the tethering plan. I did that and after a quick phone call from the store to a CSR they pulled it off but with a warning. They said that if tethering activity was monitored again that they would add it back and I couldn't remove it (yeah right).
I was using the MyWi app from Cydia that works perfectly. I used it for nearly two years with no issue. However, the PDANet Cydia app has a "Hide Tethering" option in the program that always made me curious. What is it hiding? MyWi doesn't have that option.
I also used a Windows Mobile phone prior to that with ICS installed and regularly tethered to that as well. I think that ROM was a NotaTreoFan ROM most of the time and then Energy.
I would love the option of adding tethering to my SGS2 but I refuse to pay for a tethering plan. I'm still grandfathered into unlimited data.
Thoughts?

hyelton said:
So will att catch on? I only will use it for Playing world of warcraft for a few hours eevery 3 or 4 days and basic web browsing. A few hours of game play is ONLY about 50mb if even that. But will they catch on? I have the 30 dollar unlimated plan
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They shouldn't notice anything. I have used barnacle tether on T-Mobile and sprint. So both sim and cdma for a while now. And so far nothing. I'm pretty sure barnacle tether just uses your mobile network and shows up as nothing more than data usage. Bc when using the built in carrier tethering they see the app in use and send that data back. I check my tether stats and network stats and it just shows up as network use. I think you will be fine
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[Q] Tethering T-Mobile Unlimited Data Plan

So I got the Value plan after getting my Nexus 4 (unlimited data) but been having tethering issues. Please try to help me out if you actually understand the situation, don't just say "It works for me..."
Here's the deal, wired tethering works if I use Clockwork Mods Tether App. I used to think I needed to start up my Chrome from a Nexus 4 User agent, but same thing with and without, it works with the tether app (which obviously uses a companion app on the computer). BUT....A while ago tether never worked with the clockwork mod tether app if I didn't use the UA switch, but now it does, IDK whatever, T-mobile is weird.
However, straight from the settings, WiFi or wired tether never works, with or without APN and UA change (on comp), meaning I especially wont be able to use it on my PS3 and such. Now, I'm not sure if its a hidden APN thing, IDK, though I did create a separate APN and tried that out with the stock tether in the phone and it didn't work.
Anyone know any solutions, T-mobile is pretty good lol...? Lemee say thanks in advance
(A solution i would want is to be able to use it on my PS3 again, on something where I'm not able to install a clockwork mod tether app lol, a process be done phone side to bypass...)

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I don't think there is an answer to your question. You've been flagged by T-mobile. The only way to tether again is to pay for it.

El Daddy said:
I don't think there is an answer to your question. You've been flagged by T-mobile. The only way to tether again is to pay for it.
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But the question is, how do they know that you are tethering?

billrd said:
But the question is, how do they know that you are tethering?
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Because you are using too much data. Their montly 4G plans are capped at a maximum 5GB per month, says it right on their website, after that they throttle you down to 2G speeds.They can also see the unique ip address of everything your tethering, some tethering apps say they can hide the address or at least spoof it so it looks like its coming just from the phone, but if you still use too much data your screwed.

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kzoodroid said:
Because you are using too much data. Their montly 4G plans are capped at a maximum 5GB per month, says it right on their website, after that they throttle you down to 2G speeds.They can also see the unique ip address of everything your tethering, some tethering apps say they can hide the address or at least spoof it so it looks like its coming just from the phone, but if you still use too much data your screwed.
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Well the new unlimited 4g value plan is unlimited, and there is NO throttling. However, you can't tether. I was just wondering how they can tell that the data is coming from a tethered laptop and not the phone itself.

billrd said:
Well the new unlimited 4g value plan is unlimited, and there is NO throttling. However, you can't tether. I was just wondering how they can tell that the data is coming from a tethered laptop and not the phone itself.
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Its probably a combination between UA strings and excessive data not usual with a smartphone.
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Yes they can tell
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Yes they can tell
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I agree, but how can they tell? It's not from excessive data usage, at least for me.

billrd said:
I agree, but how can they tell? It's not from excessive data usage, at least for me.
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I've heard of a number ways they can do this, no one really know for sure they just know they can. One is that each device you connect has a unique identifier so they know its not your phone connecting. Another is that with TMo and AT&T in particular all the tethering apps used to use an APN just for tethering and AT&T monitors that APN for traffic to make sure you paid for it. Some wifi tethering apps try to avoid this by not using that APN. I've also read speculation that its the browsers themselves you use that give you away as they have unique identifier strings they send out with each request. This last one maybe the same thing I mentioned first, in that even the same browser on a different device will have different identifiers. So if you use chrome on the phone and on the desktop they will show up as two different devices giving you away.

kzoodroid said:
Because you are using too much data. Their montly 4G plans are capped at a maximum 5GB per month, says it right on their website, after that they throttle you down to 2G speeds.They can also see the unique ip address of everything your tethering, some tethering apps say they can hide the address or at least spoof it so it looks like its coming just from the phone, but if you still use too much data your screwed.
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The whole point of the Monthly 4G plans with the 5GB cap is to tether.

Like i said i could still tether with the clockwork mod app, so whatever its doing (im guessing adding vpn's and stuff on the computer) is working, then i set my chrome browser UA to desktop mode Nexus 4 Chrome. Sometimes if you are not using the UA string, ittl show you the tmobile page. I don't know but kudos to magenta, there method works when you actually get flagged (which im guessing not many do...)

AT&T Wifi - anyone tried this?

I get AT&T WiFi at work which is really helpful considering the crappy connection I would get otherwise. It didn't occur to me till just now that it will no longer work on the Nexus.
I just grabbed the wispr apk from my Note 4 but I'm not really sure if that will work and still haven't activated my phone
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andy_d0 said:
I get AT&T WiFi at work which is really helpful considering the crappy connection I would get otherwise. It didn't occur to me till just now that it will no longer work on the Nexus.
I just grabbed the wispr apk from my Note 4 but I'm not really sure if that will work and still haven't activated my phone
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I'm on an AT&T corporate plan without tethering and it worked out of the box for me. Looks like there's no tethering block on this one.

Oh I meant the app that is used to connect to att WiFi Hotspots but that's also good to know
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I updated the subject - also tried installing the apk that I remember I needed when I had my S3 and used custom ROMs. It refuses to install on the Nexus

greyhulk said:
I'm on an AT&T corporate plan without tethering and it worked out of the box for me. Looks like there's no tethering block on this one.
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Might be a corporate only thing. I just tried it and it's disabled
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Well, that failed miserably
Looks like the dedicated router we have at work uses Wispr for authentication. There is no way for me to get this work without rooting my device while at the same time finding an apk that I can install. The latter is probably not possible till AT&T gets the phone, which not sure if it will happen.
Oh well, it'll make it easier to leave AT&T eventually if I get used to not having wifi at work

This is the only thing I could find asking the question. Is there an APK or app in the Play store that will let my Nexus 6P connect to the free basic ATT Wifi hotspots that come with my plan? ATT branded phones can automatically connect to the free hotspots that ATT offers. I don't know how to make that happen on my 6P. Anyone know? Thanks!