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Oh man... Droid X is geeting froyo before vibrant

Verizon just announced to today that Droid X is gonna be getting froyo on the 22nd of September. This really suck!!!! I need some froyo...
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Here you go, now quit whining froyo

that looks so ****ing good.

Verizon is also a much larger company.

Yes, Moto/Verizon do a great job..
If they r not using CDMA, I will definitely use Verizon and choose Moto..

jayprime said:
Verizon just announced to today that Droid X is gonna be getting froyo on the 22nd of September. This really suck!!!! I need some froyo...
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you mean the Droid x that was released before the vibrant is getting it first... I'm shocked...?....

laristech said:
Verizon is also a much larger company.
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This is why t-mobile should tell manufacturers they only want vanilla android phones. They would get updates faster AND they wouldn't need to modify them before release. It would bee cheaper for them and it would make customers happy.
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dan0zone said:
you mean the Droid x that was released before the vibrant is getting it first... I'm shocked...?....
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Yes! This is so not right
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Tpavey said:
This is why t-mobile should tell manufacturers they only want vanilla android phones. They would get updates faster AND they wouldn't need to modify them before release. It would bee cheaper for them and it would make customers happy.
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That's all fine and wonderful, but the Galaxy S wasn't Vanilla on any of the four major US carriers so that doesn't really matter here does it?

dan0zone said:
you mean the Droid x that was released before the vibrant is getting it first... I'm shocked...?....
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If I remember correctly, the Droid X, Vibrant, and Captivate had release dates that were within a week or two from each other.
Either way, it's pretty sad news to hear the Spain division of Samsung is now claiming the Froyo release to happen around "late October." I wonder what's really going to happen when late October rolls around...."late November?"
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/21/samsung-mobile-spain-pegs-galaxy-s-update-for-late-october/

Tpavey said:
This is why t-mobile should tell manufacturers they only want vanilla android phones. They would get updates faster AND they wouldn't need to modify them before release. It would bee cheaper for them and it would make customers happy.
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It would hardly make customers happy. If T-Mobile were to deny every handset with a custom UI, they would have what, 2 Android phones? Maybe 3 since 2008?
T-Mobile has been ragged on in the past for being the carrier that never steps up to the plate to offer the latest and greatest phones. They are now starting to come out of that with all of these new Android phones and eventually later this year, Windows Phone 7. Why would they regress?

I think he is just trying to say that if T-Mobile insisted that devices be loaded with Vanilla Android than we could get updates faster, not to deny any of the handsets, just tell Samsung, "Hey, our Galaxy S phone needs to be Vanilla Android, Thanks"
So we would still get the killer phones, but with Vanilla Android rather than a custom Android that needs further development after Vanilla is released. (The Plausibility as to the phone manufacturers actually saying "Okay, no problem!" is debatable but I do believe that is what he is getting at.)

rjwisniewski said:
That's all fine and wonderful, but the Galaxy S wasn't Vanilla on any of the four major US carriers so that doesn't really matter here does it?
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Actually, the Galaxy S OS has never been Vanila. It is modified and locked first by Samsung, then modified again at the behest of the US carriers.
It's basically a mess.
That's why it will take ages to update.
The whole Android open-source idea is being destroyed by both carriers and manufacturers, who modify it enough to be able to lock it and prevent software upgrades, so they can sell the next hardware version to the suckers.

MacGuy2006 said:
Actually, the Galaxy S OS has never been Vanila. It is modified and locked first by Samsung, then modified again at the behest of the US carriers.
It's basically a mess.
That's why it will take ages to update.
The whole Android open-source idea is being destroyed by both carriers and manufacturers, who modify it enough to be able to lock it and prevent software upgrades, so they can sell the next hardware version to the suckers.
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I've been seeing this opinion more and more and it makes me sad to think that the beautiful (yet idealistic) concept of Android is being corrupted. The OS being fragmented between devices and manufacturers bogging down amazing hardware with unnecessary crap has the potential to seriously harm Android imo.

MacGuy2006 said:
Actually, the Galaxy S OS has never been Vanila. It is modified and locked first by Samsung, then modified again at the behest of the US carriers.
It's basically a mess.
That's why it will take ages to update.
The whole Android open-source idea is being destroyed by both carriers and manufacturers, who modify it enough to be able to lock it and prevent software upgrades, so they can sell the next hardware version to the suckers.
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In the traditional sense, you are correct. However, Samsung has taken a different approach in regards to their Android offerings. I would hazard to say that it isn't actually "locked" by Samsung, as you put it. Maybe a little by T-Mobile.
However, Samsung has made it clear that they are supporting the development community. The source code for each US variant is available as a free download on their website. Rooting the device was intentionally left open by Samsung (although T-Mobile might lock it via updates). The carrier unlock codes are blatantly available on the device if you know where to look, and there is even an app that will give it to you for free with no effort. They have opened up multiple channels for support (Twitter, Facebook, phone, website) for it's users and even respond to development questions. I've even seen a couple of reports of Samsung support helping people out who have bricked devices.
In a sense, Samsung has become the most open Android handset manufacturer. Doesn't sound to me that Samsung has gone to great lengths to "lock" the Galaxy S out of development, as you put it.

I've read it a few times before about Froyo for the Vibrant not coming until the G2 is released, which isn't too far away. But then "rumor"(i know, rumors aren't always true), Samsung will release a Galaxy Slider phone and skip 2.2 for the Vibrant and push everyone to G2 or the new Galaxy phone.. I hope this isn't the case.

I think tmobile will release froyo after they see how the g2 does on the market... Because the vibrant is a beast without it, so just imagine what it will be like with it. The g2 might not do that great with vibrant running froyo... Imo
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monsta34 said:
I think tmobile will release froyo after they see how the g2 does on the market... Because the vibrant is a beast without it, so just imagine what it will be like with it. The g2 might not do that great with vibrant running froyo... Imo
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Two very different phones. G2 is going to be the next dev phone. Vanilla android. It will get the updates first. It will likely run MUCH faster than it's specs would indicate (see G1) because it will be optimized. Also, it has a keyboard.
Vibrant has a Samsung SAMOLED display and, currently, the fasted GPU out.
There may be fewer people who jump to the G2 from a Vibrant if it got Froyo now, but I cannot imagine it would impact those who don't have a Vibrant now. The majority of users really couldn't tell the difference, and many T-mobile sales reps in the stores wouldn't be able to inform them. The 1% of the Android community that comes here doesn't mean anything to T-mobile especially since these are likely the same people who optimize their bills to pay the least amount possible.

monsta34 said:
I think tmobile will release froyo after they see how the g2 does on the market... Because the vibrant is a beast without it, so just imagine what it will be like with it. The g2 might not do that great with vibrant running froyo... Imo
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I doubt it, I don't even think Tmobile know that difference between Eclair and Froyo, they will just be confused as to why we are talking about deserts..

MacGuy2006 said:
The whole Android open-source idea is being destroyed by both carriers and manufacturers, who modify it enough to be able to lock it and prevent software upgrades, so they can sell the next hardware version to the suckers.
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I thought I read that Google was removing the ability (or restricting?) to customize Gingerbread when they release it, basically unifying the device platform across the board so if you had 3.0 or greater, it was all the same vanilla android without custom carrier and/or device modifications. If that is the case, than obviously even Google has seen the butchery of their original concept and are looking to rectify it. (End User's would still be able to mod the hell out of it I'm sure, but they wouldn't allow device Manufacturers and carriers to modify the OS right from the get go).
I could be wrong, I have read a lot of stuff lately lol...

May'be Apple had the right idea...

One Carrier. One device yearly. Multiple updates throughout the year. But one of the best parts, imo, No AT&T control. Apple seems to have complete control. I know a lot of people who really dislike that, but I know even more who are pulling their hair out because they signed a two year contract on a device that may never see Android 2.3. Or by the time it does there will be 20 newer, better and faster devices out with 3.0. It's frustrating when you not only have to wait on Google to produce a newer update, but then you have to wait on the phone manufacturer to produce an update due to their proprietary UI, and then have to wait on the carrier to add their bloatware and restrictions.
These forums are our only way to vent these frustrations. The carrier doesn't care, and the manufacturer doesn't care. They have your name on the dotted line. You are theirs for the next two years if you don't want an ETF.
Why not release stock Android with the option of carrier UI download?
Or at least a system where you can go to stock Android for your device, downloaded directly from Google in an itunes manner if you wanted.
I hear the term "fragmented" a lot these days when people talk about Android. So many devices with so many versions of Android.
I've heard talk of an Android overhaul with 3.0. May'be rumors.
When we do get 2.2, We will go through the whole thing over again for 2.3.
2.3 is already out. It should be made ready for all Android devices that can support it an be available as a download for those devices. At the same time the carriers should be working on their custom UI and have that downloadable ASAP. May'be that's impossible due to the fact that Google doesn't produce these devices, just the base software on them.
Just my rant/questions/vent

I do see your point.
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Samsung site is advertising 2.2 froyo for epic?
I never looked at it that way. We definitely wouldn't be that pissed now. Although samsung is slapping us in the face advertising froyo 2.2 for our phones here http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SPH-D700ZKASPR-features

And you are posting this in the forum of a device with a slideout keyboard and 4 inch SAMOLED screen.
Yes I sure would love to be locked into one form factor and system internals.

diego1985 said:
I never looked at it that way. We definitely wouldn't be that pissed now. Although samsung is slapping us in the face advertising froyo 2.2 for our phones here http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SPH-D700ZKASPR-features
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This ish pissis me off...... and I'm in us stuck on unofficial 2.2
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What device hasn't been upgraded either officially or through custom roms within a year of its release to a newer build of Android? The iPhone gets updates once a year.
Anyone pulling their hair out because their device isn't getting an official port of Android 2.3 is an idiot to begin with. Buy devices that are worthy on their own with current software. Don't hope that you MAY get an update to make it the phone you really want. And if you somehow NEED to get updates because your e-peen just won't be big enough without the latest Android build on your phone, then buy a damn nexus 1 or S.

dakarf said:
And you are posting this in the forum of a device with a slideout keyboard and 4 inch SAMOLED screen.
Yes I sure would love to be locked into one form factor and system internals.
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Just talking about one slice of the Apple, not the whole thing. There is also something good to be said of openness and choice.
There is just so much anger and frustration when it comes to Android and I think a lot of it has to do with manufacturer and carrier control and their decision to keep the consumer out of the loop. Vague and general answers are not much better than no answers at all. The "you'll get it when you get it" attitude some people have, although it's true, does not ease the sense of irritation.

Theres no way cr-apple had the right idea, there while system is flawed right down to one piece of hardware for all. All other things aside, I hate apple hardware period. And everyone having the sandstone except for color is stupid. Android ftw. Open hardware/software ftw. Samoled ftw.
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Maybe Froyo will come soon with these changes coming to the website. We know its close.
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While maybe apple doesn't have the right idea it sounds like windows phone 7 may have it right. Multiple devices, multiple carriers, multiple form factors, manufacterer controlled updates. Too bad its not as awesome as android yet
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The thing is its messy right now but once 3.0 comes things will change a lot...why? simple, right now Google is releasing bi-annually..and not waiting for manufacturers to catch up...once 3.0 hits Android will be released once a year...Google will also start working closer with their partners and manufacturers...
In reality I don't think Apple or WP7 has the right idea...simply because right now entered a cell phone age..aka phone specs are jumping every year by a good leap...
Apple has a policy where they upgraded the 3gs and the 3g to version 4 which is nice for average consumers..but at the same time it kinda forces partners to limit themselves to the minimum specs...same will happen with WP7 and their minimum of snapdragons...once dual cores come out and apps take advantage of these, all WP7 devices will be left behind because the apps have to be backwards compatible with the lower specced versions..(now I know they may have implementations of which hardware can use what App..but then both M$ and Apple would be eating their own words of "fragmentation" as they call it)
I can understand how an average consumer would be left out right now..but at same time average consumer does not care much for upgrades as much as we do either...either way past 3.0 it will get a lot better..

apple and windows are limited because thats the way they want it. f*** that. this android is the most universal device ive ever seen. the os is written very well. i like no limits or restrictions to the possibilities other than the hardware. do you really think the next iphone will have a dual core sssshhhhtttt i doubt it. even if it does it will still be slower than this phone ha. google is getting their act together with android because it is in their best interest because they will make way more money off of all the advertising from everytime we search stuff and the info they get from when we use navigation.

Done with Android (?)

Venting frustrations with a question - Does ANYONE have ANY idea if Google is applying any pressure to hardware manufacturers to ensure updates? I would think not.
The ONLY thing that I really appreciate about Apple is that the iPhone is certain to get updates at least during the duration of your 2-year contract term. (by the second generation after your purchase the os might not be backward compatible. I get that.) Android is so hit and miss with updates.
Take the Vibrant for example. (please no idiot posts about "you knew what you were getting!" "They never promised upgrades!" etc) When this phone came out it was, and stil is, touted as one of the best gaming phones on the market due to it's gpu. So anyone with any technical understanding could only assume that updates would come. Why put a super charged turbo in a mini van? (again, no idiot posts about the obvious).
I for one will NEVER BUY SAMSUNG AGAIN. I am looking at the HTC Pyramid. At least my htc g1 got all the updates it could handle.
Fragmentation and lack of support could end up being the legacy of android unless something changes. on the other hand, I suppose I do appreciate the commitment of samsung to update their phones "within 6 months of an os update release."
Thanks for letting me vent...
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Alot of people see android and fragmentation in the same reply and become angry. Those are usually the words from iphone fans. But I do believe android needs to apply pressure to companies who put android on there devices. Support can make a big difference when it comes to customers. I have faith in android/google to figure out a balance of open source and some type of rule set for companies wth resources to apply updates.
I just hope it doesn't end up like winmo.
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Software updates should be given out by googleand google only.
I trust google and no one else in the android world.

xriderx66 said:
Software updates should be given out by googleand google only.
I trust google and no one else in the android world.
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All android phones should be like the nexus,get updates directly from google
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xriderx66 said:
Software updates should be given out by googleand google only.
I trust google and no one else in the android world.
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Exactly.
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I am not considering anything but a nexus phone when its time to replace my vibrant....but honestly I don't care too much I got this phone knowing that samsung are gangsters and just leave phones with no real support...i knew from the start that it would be popular enough to have dev support....my phone has been rooted from day one
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Welcome to the open source world. Get a Google phone if you want updates, they only have two available .

If only they have done that from the start.
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ALL of you are ignoring the fact the nexus doesn't have gingerbread... I mean we may have it sooner (leaks)

Android is as open as the developers behind the handset. The whole open source is better is just a lie that geeks tell themselves to justify their purchase. Take Vibrants for example, Android can still be the open platform that it is but without the developers behind it, it is nothing. Openess doesn't worth ****, not for phones.
A good counter example is iPhone (or WP7 eventually if the community grows), while the platform is closed source, the jailbroken community is still prosperous and brought many additional function to the platform without being open source platform in the first place.

sp1kez said:
All android phones should be like the nexus,get updates directly from google
From a business perspective, Google does not even want to come close to this responsibility. To much cost and responsibility at stake.
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Google - No Honeycomb AOSP for you!

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
Google says it will delay the distribution of its newest Android source code, dubbed Honeycomb, at least for the foreseeable future. The search giant says the software, which is tailored specifically for tablet computers that compete against Apple's iPad, is not yet ready to be altered by outside programmers and customized for other devices, such as phones.

almostinsane said:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
Google says it will delay the distribution of its newest Android source code, dubbed Honeycomb, at least for the foreseeable future. The search giant says the software, which is tailored specifically for tablet computers that compete against Apple's iPad, is not yet ready to be altered by outside programmers and customized for other devices, such as phones.
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More beta BS. I'll sell you a car but we only completed the frame.

Yup - Its why I just sent my Xoom back to Moto.

Perhaps it's time to change your ID to "completelyInsane".
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Perhaps it's time to change your ID to "completelyInsane".
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LMAO!
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i dont understand what will make it "ready" if they are planning on eventually releasing it what will keep it from being ported to phones then. If its a matter of incompleteness then what's changed since Cupcake which everyone agrees was more .8 than 1.0. Releasing it to dev's will allow for bugfixes and tweaks to get merged upstream.

It will leak eventually. It always does...
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Yea I dont understand google some times. I understand the the OS isnt ready, but if it really is that bad and that unstable then why even put it on a tablet. And really what harm does it do the put out the code, so people will port it to other devices, you can keep doing what you will but make lots of devs happy.

They say they're worried about a poor user experience. Who do they think these users are? "I he4rd on the int3webz I can haz h0neycombz on my G1?" I mean we already know that the percentage of people running custom Roms, while large for what it is, is not the bulk of people using Android. And we know that what we're doing may not be the smoothest experience. The SDK has already been ported to pretty much everything, and they're worried about the actual 3.0 being a poor experience? Come on Google, what's this really about?

This wasn't the best source to quote from. Google said they don't want developers trying to port it to phones yet since they can't guarantee a good user experience on phones. They're afraid XDA is going to port it, people try to run it on their phones and then say how crappy it runs on a phone even though that's not what it was designed for. You know it would happen, and word would spread that it sucks on phones and yada yada it doesn't get a fair chance.
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As much of a ROM guy as I am, I admit this makes sense from a business stand point. Google makes $ from licensing and distribution (with regards to Android). The hacker communities do not make up said market for the most part.
The worst thing companies combat these days is negative publicity.
I owned an iPhone, two iterations, the 3G and the original. Why did my mother never purchase one, nor my sister? Simply because of how locked down they are due to MY advice. Were they ever going to buy said device due to their hackability? Hell no. But because I said it was sh**** that Apple locks their stuff down so much, they declined to buy said hardware.
Releasing the software for Google could have a lot of negative effects on a BRAND NEW operating system for a BRAND NEW market for Google. If people are throwing this on phones, you search it out on the internet, and everything is Honeycomb this sucks, and honeycomb that sucks, due to people using it on phones, most people who try to do basic research, like my mother, or sister,
will only see "THIS SUCKS".
Just my 2c, but I can see their stand point. Until they can find a way to keep it off the phones, I see this as an issue for google.
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They say they're worried about a poor user experience. Who do they think these users are? "I he4rd on the int3webz I can haz h0neycombz on my G1?" I mean we already know that the percentage of people running custom Roms, while large for what it is, is not the bulk of people using Android. And we know that what we're doing may not be the smoothest experience. The SDK has already been ported to pretty much everything, and they're worried about the actual 3.0 being a poor experience? Come on Google, what's this really about?
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Uhmm, are we reading the same forum? Where people knowingly purchased a device that didn't have flash or lte or an ad card working at launch but are still *****ing and whining and returning their xoom regardless? What I mean is, those same people will install Honeycomb and complain that google released a lousy product.
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I understand the the OS isnt ready, but if it really is that bad and that unstable then why even put it on a tablet. And really what harm does it do the put out the code, so people will port it to other devices, you can keep doing what you will but make lots of devs happy.
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My understanding of that article is that Google doesn't feel its ready for phones. It's not that its not ready for tablets. They understand that they won't be able to stop people from using HC on phones, but trying to stave off the inevitable...
this HC thing looks like crap.... oh.. on my phone. In the end.. we are talking about a company here.. a company that needs to keep it's image.. and products.. (or software as you may call it).. as good as possible.
I don't think it's the best move Google could have made, but I think Google should do things in it's best interest to keep itself as a company in good standing. Long and short of it.. if things go south for google.. we'll all be unhappy. Just getting things out for the sake of allowing devs to play doesn't mean its the most sound decision for the company making it.
Yes, I know.. it's 'open source', but it is still a work-product. I think it's also entirely likely this is just a marketing ploy to say 'we told you so'.. and then it will get leaked and everything will go back to normal. But I still think people often forget that this is still a company that has to keep itself together to survive.
EDIT: So many things get written in the same time when you respond to a post! It seems as though I am joining the choir of.. this isn't so bad.

Sirchuk said:
This wasn't the best source to quote from. Google said they don't want developers trying to port it to phones yet since they can't guarantee a good user experience on phones. They're afraid XDA is going to port it, people try to run it on their phones and then say how crappy it runs on a phone even though that's not what it was designed for. You know it would happen, and word would spread that it sucks on phones and yada yada it doesn't get a fair chance.
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Well that hasn't stopped devs on xda porting it already - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=978939

Darn you almostinsane, I was just about to post this but you beat me to it!
Its really unfortunate that Google is doing this, whatever happened to a completely open source OS? In my honest opinion I think they should release it to the public and let the various devs have at it and see what can be improved and take those improvements into consideration for the next release of Android. If the OS was only meant for tablets who is to say that x developer can port it to a handheld flawlessly? It would be a HUGE leap ahead for us and for big ol' G.
Either way, it'll happen with or without Google releasing the source as our one dev spacemoose1 has shown us with making a near perfect port to the Samsung tab of honeycomb.
Stinks money is such an issue, Google doesn't really need anymore haha.
Done with my rant now
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Another business reason for this decision: Google may not have programmed Honeycomb well.
An obvious(?) repercussion for grimy source code going public is more bashing of Honeycomb's alleged "beta-ness". The more app developers that use the ...poisonous open-source code, the more ...poisoned apps there will be.
Or, they want to curb full-blown Honeycomb from appearing on devices other than the Xoom for just a little longer.

you're right. I just hate that its true. Your sig shows you remember the G1 days when we were all just so happy about what our phone COULD do. It's gotten a lot whinnier around here since then.
Sirchuk said:
Uhmm, are we reading the same forum? Where people knowingly purchased a device that didn't have flash or lte or an ad card working at launch but are still *****ing and whining and returning their xoom regardless? What I mean is, those same people will install Honeycomb and complain that google released a lousy product.
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As a ROM enthusiast; yea this sucks. Business it's understandable; but as the former it doesn't make me happy.
My NC sorely needs a aosp honeycomb, HC's tablet interface is superior to even CM7 on it.
Honestly though it's a lot of speculation here on why, but it really just sounds like an excuse (Bad one) to quiet the devs while really being a straight business decision.

How is not releasing honeycomb aosp right away not being open? Would you like all your roms without SD card support right now? Honeycomb is most likely stable enough for normal use for the average consumer and Google had to make footprint in the tablet industry before ipad2 was announced. Things were obviously rushed so i rather wait for them get everything situated. I think this unfortunate news but I'm not gonna cry foul when its something that's probably for the better. Google has proven with each iteration of android they have released source so just be patient
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Yup - Its why I just sent my Xoom back to Moto.
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I don't understand the logic here. What alternative are you seeking? Take it back for the Galaxy 10.1? It runs the same OS. Take it back for an iPad? It runs a closed OS.
The AOSP release is delayed ... maybe. Why would you return your Xoom because of this?
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My observations of Google/android

Hi people,
My wife and i both have notes. I'm rooted and have been running JB ever since the first leak.
My wife's is totally stock, running ics.
She's fed up of waiting for it, and before you all start flaming, she is a typical user who doesn't want to root her device to get the latest os that people in Trinidad and Tobago or some other back end country are enjoying (her words not mine)
Now whether its all crapsungs fault or her carriers I don't know, but at this rate her contract upgrade will be upon her before she even gets jelly bean (due In august!!!) and I doubt she'll stay with android.
Personally I'm beginning to loose faith in Android and the fragmentation of its OS
The most used version is GB still!!!
Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own.
Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
People who I talked into buying android devices are ditching them at the earliest opportunity for an iPhone.
Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
Rant over

why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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Kisses99 said:
why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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This answer might be considered standard from now on to every thread, question and rambling comparation of iPhone (6device company) and Android (+1000device not-a-single-company). Full stop.

Flashing a ROM in Odin does not need root :|

My thoughts
The most used version is GB still!!!
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Your Point? Nokia 1110 is the most used mobile phone. How many have you seen using that nowadays?
Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own.
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It's nobody's fault.
Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
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I AGREE 110% WITH YOU ON THIS.
People who I talked into buying android devices are ditching them at the earliest opportunity for an iPhone.
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It took 2 years from Single Core to Dual, but less than 6 months from proper Quad Cores to First Octa Core unveiled.
I used to think investing this many on a mobile phone keep me not in Enthusiast but in mainstream category for atleast 2-3 years. Not 8 months after purchase, it already feel cheap.
At least with iPhone, you have the peace of mind that if you got screwed, so are others, and pain won't resurface until a year or so.
But with Android, its like, you invest 500 Bucks on a phone and 30 minutes later, a new phone twice as powerful for 550 is unveiled set to release 2 months later.
Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
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Sadly, Stockholm Syndrome is a little wider than you think.

lol stockholm syndrome. Never heard of it that way with devices/product lock-in. Gave me quite a laugh, cause it could be true. Bit drastic but whatever.
Good thing Apple did push the envelope rushing android and other mobile manufacturers into better areas. Since they lost momentum I hope the Androids momentum continues.
On topic, there is another factor slowing multicountry roll outs, thats the countries themselves, so its not necessary Sammies fault one country is faster then others, go blame your countries for unable to keep up with Trini-Bego

Basically, you have just one problem and that is, updates are not fast enough? That isn't Google's fault at all. OEM's get the source code for the new OS earlier it is made publicly accessible (usually 1-2 weeks after announcement). It is the OEMs which insist of adding more 'features' and bugs and then taking time to release it. If you're using a carrier-subsidised phone, add another six months to it.
In short, get a nexus.

Namanarusia said:
I AGREE 110% WITH YOU ON THIS.
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I don't. The current speed is good. I really don't care if people get upset they are "left behind" (they're really not, as long as you have at least ICS app compatibility is very very good). If you want the latest and the greatest of Android, get a Nexus or a device that's well supported by the community or manufacturer. Samsung also seems to keep their high end devices updated very well these days. Our Notes have been taken all the way from GB to JB and the delay of updates keeps getting smaller.
As said before, you don't need root to flash stock updates. Carriers delay the updates a lot, so just do it yourself. There are plenty of guides out there and it's not hard unless you are computerphobic or something.

Well i kind of agree with you but if a person is too hungry for updates. There always are the custom roms. I am a tw fan and i keep my phone stock but when i get bore or anything i try the custom and use it for a week or two.
So android basically is not locked up. U always have ways out. Good thibg about android is that u always get what google has to offer and plus the OEM update is a bonus.
I like to stay with samsung because of this fact.
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iPhone = One manufacturer, one OS, each iPhone (3g, s, 4s, 5) will run the same official shyt apple gives them
Android = Several manufacturers, several options, several price groups, several specs
Apple = MoFo autocrat
Android = Democracy
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Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
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Android users would take it as a compliment. Android is evolving faster - open source - :thumbup:

kingears said:
she is a typical user who doesn't want to root her device to get the latest os that people in Trinidad and Tobago or some other back end country are enjoying
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Since when you need root to flash official XXLSZ for Germany via Odin? You don't even loose warranty...
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Now whether its all crapsungs fault or her carriers I don't know
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Then why you're whining when you have no idea what you're talking about?
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The most used version is GB still!!!
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So? many people still use old phones and they don't want to change them
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Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
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Yes, because it's Google's not OEMs' fault that they can't keep up with updates
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Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own
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A moment of realisation, why the hell am I responding to a troll?

I'm saying that most android users no nothing about Odin or rooting, that's my point, they are completely reliant upon kies or ota updates being pushed out by the carrier once they've finished adding bloat.
Obviously having an opinion that is different to yours makes me a troll lol, what has this site come too :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:
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Blaming Google and Android that developers make more sophisticated apps requiring better phones and saying it's bad because people can't run them on their old phones isn't an opinion - it's a sign of incredible ignorance or trolling, I assumed you are trolling (or you rant for ranting) but so be it, you're an ignorant, now please go back to using Windows 98, many people still use less than 1 GHz processor PCs so making Windows 8 is stupid, eh?

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Gambolputty said:
Blaming Google and Android that developers make more sophisticated apps requiring better phones and saying it's bad because people can't run them on their old phones isn't an opinion - it's a sign of incredible ignorance or trolling, I assumed you are trolling (or you rant for ranting) but so be it, you're an ignorant, now please go back to using Windows 98, many people still use less than 1 GHz processor PCs so making Windows 8 is stupid, eh?
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And you don't think that this will alienate people from android? If you look in the play store most comments for apps are about the size of them.
As the thread title says, these are my observations after using android for 5 years, I'm entitled to my opinion, as are you, but coming in here and personally attacking me is unacceptable.

Kisses99 said:
why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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Because a phone with a battery that cannot be removed is unacceptable, to me anyway.
What happens when the battery is knackered? The phone is redundant.
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warfareonly said:
Basically, you have just one problem and that is, updates are not fast enough? That isn't Google's fault at all. OEM's get the source code for the new OS earlier it is made publicly accessible (usually 1-2 weeks after announcement). It is the OEMs which insist of adding more 'features' and bugs and then taking time to release it. If you're using a carrier-subsidised phone, add another six months to it.
In short, get a nexus.
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As above
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I don't. The current speed is good. I really don't care if people get upset they are "left behind" (they're really not, as long as you have at least ICS app compatibility is very very good). If you want the latest and the greatest of Android, get a Nexus or a device that's well supported by the community or manufacturer. Samsung also seems to keep their high end devices updated very well these days. Our Notes have been taken all the way from GB to JB and the delay of updates keeps getting smaller.
As said before, you don't need root to flash stock updates. Carriers delay the updates a lot, so just do it yourself. There are plenty of guides out there and it's not hard unless you are computerphobic or something.
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I've been rooting android devices for 5 yrs, I am merely trying to make a point from the point of view of a normal user. People who root and put custom roms on their device are in the minority, in the grand scheme of things.
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As above
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You can't have everything, mate. Somewhere, you have to make compromises. Where you make compromises is your decision.
Also, inbuilt non-removable batteries can be replaced. Only difference is, the service centre will be doing the replacement instead of you.

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You can't have everything, mate. Somewhere, you have to make compromises. Where you make compromises is your decision.
Also, inbuilt non-removable batteries can be replaced. Only difference is, the service centre will be doing the replacement instead of you.
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Oh I totally agree I can't have everything, life is a compromise.
I just think Google is risking losing out on a lot of 'regular' customers because of its business model.
I stand corrected on the in-built batteries, but then your left with no device whilst its replaced, or not i don't know how long it takes.
Plus I don't think we have service centres in the UK???
Easier to just go to a shop and get a replacement battery there and then.
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