Verizon just announced to today that Droid X is gonna be getting froyo on the 22nd of September. This really suck!!!! I need some froyo...
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Here you go, now quit whining froyo
that looks so ****ing good.
Verizon is also a much larger company.
Yes, Moto/Verizon do a great job..
If they r not using CDMA, I will definitely use Verizon and choose Moto..
jayprime said:
Verizon just announced to today that Droid X is gonna be getting froyo on the 22nd of September. This really suck!!!! I need some froyo...
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you mean the Droid x that was released before the vibrant is getting it first... I'm shocked...?....
laristech said:
Verizon is also a much larger company.
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This is why t-mobile should tell manufacturers they only want vanilla android phones. They would get updates faster AND they wouldn't need to modify them before release. It would bee cheaper for them and it would make customers happy.
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dan0zone said:
you mean the Droid x that was released before the vibrant is getting it first... I'm shocked...?....
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Yes! This is so not right
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Tpavey said:
This is why t-mobile should tell manufacturers they only want vanilla android phones. They would get updates faster AND they wouldn't need to modify them before release. It would bee cheaper for them and it would make customers happy.
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That's all fine and wonderful, but the Galaxy S wasn't Vanilla on any of the four major US carriers so that doesn't really matter here does it?
dan0zone said:
you mean the Droid x that was released before the vibrant is getting it first... I'm shocked...?....
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If I remember correctly, the Droid X, Vibrant, and Captivate had release dates that were within a week or two from each other.
Either way, it's pretty sad news to hear the Spain division of Samsung is now claiming the Froyo release to happen around "late October." I wonder what's really going to happen when late October rolls around...."late November?"
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/21/samsung-mobile-spain-pegs-galaxy-s-update-for-late-october/
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This is why t-mobile should tell manufacturers they only want vanilla android phones. They would get updates faster AND they wouldn't need to modify them before release. It would bee cheaper for them and it would make customers happy.
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It would hardly make customers happy. If T-Mobile were to deny every handset with a custom UI, they would have what, 2 Android phones? Maybe 3 since 2008?
T-Mobile has been ragged on in the past for being the carrier that never steps up to the plate to offer the latest and greatest phones. They are now starting to come out of that with all of these new Android phones and eventually later this year, Windows Phone 7. Why would they regress?
I think he is just trying to say that if T-Mobile insisted that devices be loaded with Vanilla Android than we could get updates faster, not to deny any of the handsets, just tell Samsung, "Hey, our Galaxy S phone needs to be Vanilla Android, Thanks"
So we would still get the killer phones, but with Vanilla Android rather than a custom Android that needs further development after Vanilla is released. (The Plausibility as to the phone manufacturers actually saying "Okay, no problem!" is debatable but I do believe that is what he is getting at.)
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That's all fine and wonderful, but the Galaxy S wasn't Vanilla on any of the four major US carriers so that doesn't really matter here does it?
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Actually, the Galaxy S OS has never been Vanila. It is modified and locked first by Samsung, then modified again at the behest of the US carriers.
It's basically a mess.
That's why it will take ages to update.
The whole Android open-source idea is being destroyed by both carriers and manufacturers, who modify it enough to be able to lock it and prevent software upgrades, so they can sell the next hardware version to the suckers.
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Actually, the Galaxy S OS has never been Vanila. It is modified and locked first by Samsung, then modified again at the behest of the US carriers.
It's basically a mess.
That's why it will take ages to update.
The whole Android open-source idea is being destroyed by both carriers and manufacturers, who modify it enough to be able to lock it and prevent software upgrades, so they can sell the next hardware version to the suckers.
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I've been seeing this opinion more and more and it makes me sad to think that the beautiful (yet idealistic) concept of Android is being corrupted. The OS being fragmented between devices and manufacturers bogging down amazing hardware with unnecessary crap has the potential to seriously harm Android imo.
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Actually, the Galaxy S OS has never been Vanila. It is modified and locked first by Samsung, then modified again at the behest of the US carriers.
It's basically a mess.
That's why it will take ages to update.
The whole Android open-source idea is being destroyed by both carriers and manufacturers, who modify it enough to be able to lock it and prevent software upgrades, so they can sell the next hardware version to the suckers.
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In the traditional sense, you are correct. However, Samsung has taken a different approach in regards to their Android offerings. I would hazard to say that it isn't actually "locked" by Samsung, as you put it. Maybe a little by T-Mobile.
However, Samsung has made it clear that they are supporting the development community. The source code for each US variant is available as a free download on their website. Rooting the device was intentionally left open by Samsung (although T-Mobile might lock it via updates). The carrier unlock codes are blatantly available on the device if you know where to look, and there is even an app that will give it to you for free with no effort. They have opened up multiple channels for support (Twitter, Facebook, phone, website) for it's users and even respond to development questions. I've even seen a couple of reports of Samsung support helping people out who have bricked devices.
In a sense, Samsung has become the most open Android handset manufacturer. Doesn't sound to me that Samsung has gone to great lengths to "lock" the Galaxy S out of development, as you put it.
I've read it a few times before about Froyo for the Vibrant not coming until the G2 is released, which isn't too far away. But then "rumor"(i know, rumors aren't always true), Samsung will release a Galaxy Slider phone and skip 2.2 for the Vibrant and push everyone to G2 or the new Galaxy phone.. I hope this isn't the case.
I think tmobile will release froyo after they see how the g2 does on the market... Because the vibrant is a beast without it, so just imagine what it will be like with it. The g2 might not do that great with vibrant running froyo... Imo
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I think tmobile will release froyo after they see how the g2 does on the market... Because the vibrant is a beast without it, so just imagine what it will be like with it. The g2 might not do that great with vibrant running froyo... Imo
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Two very different phones. G2 is going to be the next dev phone. Vanilla android. It will get the updates first. It will likely run MUCH faster than it's specs would indicate (see G1) because it will be optimized. Also, it has a keyboard.
Vibrant has a Samsung SAMOLED display and, currently, the fasted GPU out.
There may be fewer people who jump to the G2 from a Vibrant if it got Froyo now, but I cannot imagine it would impact those who don't have a Vibrant now. The majority of users really couldn't tell the difference, and many T-mobile sales reps in the stores wouldn't be able to inform them. The 1% of the Android community that comes here doesn't mean anything to T-mobile especially since these are likely the same people who optimize their bills to pay the least amount possible.
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I think tmobile will release froyo after they see how the g2 does on the market... Because the vibrant is a beast without it, so just imagine what it will be like with it. The g2 might not do that great with vibrant running froyo... Imo
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I doubt it, I don't even think Tmobile know that difference between Eclair and Froyo, they will just be confused as to why we are talking about deserts..
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I thought I read that Google was removing the ability (or restricting?) to customize Gingerbread when they release it, basically unifying the device platform across the board so if you had 3.0 or greater, it was all the same vanilla android without custom carrier and/or device modifications. If that is the case, than obviously even Google has seen the butchery of their original concept and are looking to rectify it. (End User's would still be able to mod the hell out of it I'm sure, but they wouldn't allow device Manufacturers and carriers to modify the OS right from the get go).
I could be wrong, I have read a lot of stuff lately lol...
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According to engadget. Looks like it won't be too much longer now . I'm guessing early nov.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/15/galaxy-s-android-2-2-froyo-update-begins-to-trickle-out/
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According to engadget. Looks like it won't be too much longer now . I'm guessing early nov.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/15/galaxy-s-android-2-2-froyo-update-begins-to-trickle-out/
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That's great and all but we're on Sprint, remember? I expect to have this by mid-February/March.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
Good news. Can't wait to see it. Would love to just use stock TW 3.0 to speed up my phone (ADW slows it down a bit.)
Considering GingerBread is supposed to drop next week some time....this really kind of blows. We really need a good CM6 then 7!
I can't remember exactly but I think Hero didn't get the 2.1 update until after code dropped for FroYo...Sucks being a version behind. And considering track record its the only OS Update we will see official. I highly doubt we will actually get GingerBread from Samsung/Sprint.
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Considering GingerBread is supposed to drop next week some time....this really kind of blows. We really need a good CM6 then 7!
I can't remember exactly but I think Hero didn't get the 2.1 update until after code dropped for FroYo...Sucks being a version behind. And considering track record its the only OS Update we will see official. I highly doubt we will actually get GingerBread from Samsung/Sprint.
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I agree. Everyone getting their hopes up for Gingerbread for the Galaxy S phones, I think are setting themselves up for a big let down. I haven't seen any phone (besides Droid and N1) receive more than 1 official update. And considering Samsung's update history, I definitely don't see them supporting this phone beyond 2.2
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I agree. Everyone getting their hopes up for Gingerbread for the Galaxy S phones, I think are setting themselves up for a big let down. I haven't seen any phone (besides Droid and N1) receive more than 1 official update. And considering Samsung's update history, I definitely don't see them supporting this phone beyond 2.2
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Isn't Gingerbread geared to tablets anyways?
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Isn't Gingerbread geared to tablets anyways?
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Not just tablets - Just better than 2.1 was with large screens (over 4.5 inchs).
GingerBread should add native video calling, a new UI, and a few other surprises.
And suspected release of Google Music.
Hopefully the ball keeps rolling until it gets to Sprint. Post any rumors you hear on this thread so we can keep track of this "gradual" rollout.
I agree that its unlikely we will get anything after 2.2...it seems like every Android I buy this happens to me lol. Oh well
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i hope we will get beyond 2.2
lol maybe verizon has an agreement with google that only droids get support past froyo. Google and verizon are really close business partners and have almost colluded in other aspects of mobile markets.
Where in the heck are u guys getti.g this gingerbdead crap from
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Where in the heck are u guys getti.g this gingerbdead crap from
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I assume its the moment/hero skip from 2.0 to 2.1 but still took forever
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Where in the heck are u guys getti.g this gingerbdead crap from
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I believe the reports for gingerbread are 4th quarter of 2010. That's probably why everyone thinks it's coming soon. Other gingerbread info was from the last IO (they showed the music player streaming music from cloud) and just general quotes from google engineers about trying to get rid of carrier skins and what not.
Having said all that, didn't they just hire that webOS designer a few months ago? He's supposedly the lead designer for gingerbread, so could it really be coming in q4?
As for support, i think it'll be awhile but it will be supported. I feel like sammy has to support the galaxy line at this point w/ their 5 million handsets sold and the imminent galaxy tab (which they already stated will have gingerbread at some point). This is my first sammy phone and it's pretty apparent people have gotten burned by them in the past, but it would be a customer relations nightmare if they did this w/ the galaxy line.
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Where in the heck are u guys getti.g this gingerbdead crap from
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Gingerbread supports large screens which suppose to go on tablet pads...I dunno where they get the idea that its gonna come out for phones
Maybe it will be a good reason to upgrade galaxy s phones because of the name similarities, now whether they have any similar parts inside I doubt but kind of gives us some of that 'hope' it will come out for phones also.
They have a development center here in Irvine, ca..... I will mission impossible into the facility and retrieve the release date in the laser protected vault room.
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Very pleased to see we are getting froyo on epic cannot wait for flash support hopefully. Can use hulu again like winmo
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Gingerbread supports large screens which suppose to go on tablet pads...I dunno where they get the idea that its gonna come out for phones
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Actually it will be released with phones that have a 1Ghz Processing chip and at least 3.5 inch screen or larger.
Google themselves stated that gingerbread will require ATLEAST the N1's specs bare minimum. I read that a LOOOOOONG time ago though so idk...
But ayways, sammys rep for the tab mentioned honeycomb...
What if honeycomb is the start for android tablet OS and gingerbread is the continuation for the phone os?
I mean, tink about it...honeycomb isn't a sweet snack...atleast one that I know of...
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I mean, tink about it...honeycomb isn't a sweet snack...atleast one that I know of...
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Honeycomb is both a delicious treat as well as a continuation of the alphabetical nomenclature Google has chosen for their OS's. If they were going to branch off and make a separate lineage for tablets alone, I doubt they would interrupt their alphabetical naming scheme for phone based OS' to do it.
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Honeycomb is both a delicious treat as well as a continuation of the alphabetical nomenclature Google has chosen for their OS's. If they were going to branch off and make a separate lineage for tablets alone, I doubt they would interrupt their alphabetical naming scheme for phone based OS' to do it.
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Mmmmm honeycomb is delicious! I got a chunk of white chocolate covered honeycomb from a local confection shop and it was DELICIOUS.
But I agree.... I dont honestly believe that any of the Galaxy phones will get anything past 2.2.
By the time 2.2 is FINALLY pushed to all the galaxys, new and better phones will be out.
I've never seen ANY android that had more than 1 system upgrade that wasn't a leaked developer made upgrade.
posted from a EPIC4G.
This isn't a rant or anything, or I won't try to make it one. But I just came across on Android Central that the Droid is getting 2.2.1.
Now this is just so depressing already that we have a phone that's been out for about 5 months now and haven't seen Froyo (only in Unoffical leaked builds). The Droid has been out far longer, I know that. But Samsung is really dragging their feet. Froyo offically, when it comes out, better knock our ****ing socks off or it was a waste of time to wait for them to deliver.
I'm just saying, this just makes Samsung look that much worse.
http://www.androidcentral.com/leaked-android-221-motorola-droid-frg83
so you complain about our leaked ROMs by posting about another phones LEAKED ROM?
Dude... just flash froyo. They are daily drivers and quit posting the same stuff.
The leaked FroYo build is knocking my socks off...
Just sayin'
s15274n said:
so you complain about our leaked ROMs by posting about another phones LEAKED ROM?
Dude... just flash froyo. They are daily drivers and quit posting the same stuff.
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I didn't mean to bash or knock it. There's nothing wrong with the builds, it'd be nice to have an official build though I guess..
Okay, but is it not ironic you started your non-rant post stating that the Droid was getting 2.1.1 and how it looks bad for Samsung, but you completely ignored the fact it ALSO was a leaked build?
Just let it die..
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Okay, but is it not ironic you started your non-rant post stating that the Droid was getting 2.1.1 and how it looks bad for Samsung, but you completely ignored the fact it ALSO was a leaked build?
Just let it die..
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K, I'm done.
presence06 said:
The Droid has been out far longer, I know that. But Samsung is really dragging their feet. Froyo offically, when it comes out, better knock our ****ing socks off or it was a waste of time to wait for them to deliver.
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There's really no debate that Samsung is WAY behind here. Yes. the Droid has been out way longer, but the Incredible and Droid X haven't and they've gotten Froyo a long time ago. Incredible got it around 8/30 and X around 9/21.
Assuming that Samsung does get it out this year, that puts them anywhere from 2-4 months behind the competition, depending on when they do finally release it.
That's really bad. Sure they didn't promise 2.2 at any particular time, but that doesn't mean I don't factor it in when making my next phone purchase. I hope everyone does. If not, it'll give the manufactures even more reason to withhold updates in the future and try to push new phones instead.
Just heard from Cyanogen's twitter that CM6 is finished for the G2. I'm sure the new my touch isn't far behind.
Depressing
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Okay, but is it not ironic you started your non-rant post stating that the Droid was getting 2.1.1 and how it looks bad for Samsung, but you completely ignored the fact it ALSO was a leaked build?
Just let it die..
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Yeah, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that the Droid already HAS an official Froyo, and the leaked build is a second generation update.
The Vibrant does NOT have an official build, and the way it's going, the Droid X may have Gingerbread before we get an official Froyo build.
How can you even begin to defend Samsung?
Yes, it is "just" another Froyo post. +1 Ignore!
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Geez, people, of course Samsung is going to be behind. Motorola's and HTC's phones all have the same OMAP and Snapdragon cores they've used from the first Droid and Nexus One. No wonder they've all gone to Froyo before Samsung.
How many phones used the Hummingbird before the Galaxy S line? None. But I'll bet you that future updates will come faster now they've got Froyo figured out.
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Geez, people, of course Samsung is going to be behind. Motorola's and HTC's phones all have the same OMAP and Snapdragon cores they've used from the first Droid and Nexus One. No wonder they've all gone to Froyo before Samsung.
How many phones used the Hummingbird before the Galaxy S line? None. But I'll bet you that future updates will come faster now they've got Froyo figured out.
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LOL....
Strange reasoning, since Samsung developed the chip themselves, so they should know it better. Plus, they've had a long time to figure Froyo out. And still haven't, officially.
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LOL....
Strange reasoning, since Samsung developed the chip themselves, so they should know it better. Plus, they've had a long time to figure Froyo out. And still haven't, officially.
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Designing the chip and modifying the software to work with the hardware are two different things. Just because you know the hardware, doesn't mean it's easy to make the software work with it nicely.
Only thing wrong with these threads is they are always full of hearsay. Rarely anyone states fact, just opinion. Who says sammy is holding it back? The leak came from tmo right? this pessimistic view is what makes ppl always have that "omg I have froyo & I hate it, its not perfect.... I want gingerbread" mentality. Life lesson, you'll never be happy with this attitude.
I, myself, try to look at the recent events of the "rumoured nexus s" that engadget posted pics. If this does happen to grace the GS community think of how fast, far, & easily we may make it to 2.3! Im no tech & I may be way off, but id like to think that this would give us the OPEN "NEXUS" development base we'd need to achieve that level of vanilla android base w/ drivers, code & hopefully working gps ;j (minus the new chipset, obviously).
Just be glad that we do have devs who do what they can & hope that sammy doesn't do anything else to screw us. I will be hoping (but not holding my breathe) for a nexus $ gingerbread port.
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Designing the chip and modifying the software to work with the hardware are two different things. Just because you know the hardware, doesn't mean it's easy to make the software work with it nicely.
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Exactly. Remember that Froyo was actually built for the Snapdragon, whereas most of the GS hardware is unlike that seen in other previous phones.
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Designing the chip and modifying the software to work with the hardware are two different things. Just because you know the hardware, doesn't mean it's easy to make the software work with it nicely.
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Apple doesn't seem to have any problems with doing this. Samsung is way bigger. They should have their crap together
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Apple doesn't seem to have any problems with doing this. Samsung is way bigger. They should have their crap together
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Yey but we get to modify the crap out of one of the fastest phones with one of the best screens, and do whatever we want with it, thanks to some great sharing devs, to a device that's almost un- brickable.
Now thats fun!
Apple crapple, great form and simply reliable yet unbendable device to buy all things Apple dollars via only iTunes. No thanks. I'll take what Samsung doesn't have together.
Yes I've complained before but now I have learned a bit more and I have Froyo.
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How come none of the people that rant about not having an official Froyo release remember that 1. we have they best hardware of any phone out, I can't recall how many times I've heard owners of other phones complain that they've run out of room for their apps because they only have 2gb internal storage, and 2. this site is XDA Developers not XDA stock software release news. If you want to rant about the official release go over to the T-Mobile or Samsung forums and do it.
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Yey but we get to modify the crap out of one of the fastest phones with one of the best screens, and do whatever we want with it, thanks to some great sharing devs, to a device that's almost un- brickable.
Now thats fun!
Apple crapple, great form and simply reliable yet unbendable device to buy all things Apple dollars via only iTunes. No thanks. I'll take what Samsung doesn't have together.
Yes I've complained before but now I have learned a bit more and I have Froyo.
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The devs have no choice but to share. Voiding warranties is uncool for many of us.
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AndroidSpin and BGR are reporting that a reliable T-Mobile Source told them that there is a fully functioning 2.2 OTA for the T-Mobile Vibrant, but that Samsung is holding the OTA back. The report then says that Samsung fears that if the OTA is released then this would devalue the upcoming T-Mobile Vibrant 4G. (I would post a link, but I do not have 8 post. If someone could for me that would be great.) Now, I know that the hardware is different, but does anyone think that Samsung may be doing the same thing to us fascinate users considering that a new Samsung LTE phone is coming out soon? This would make sense condersidering the Telus fascinate got 2.2 before we did. Now again I know the hardware is different, but it doesn't make sense they would get it before us considering the fascinate has been out longer for us and that they are more of us. It would also explain the DL09 release. Samsung may just be trying to hold us over until they decide to release 2.2 once the LTE phone sales are up. This is just something to think about. I personally am just going to flash Kaos's 2.2 once the data works
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http://androidspin.com/2011/01/12/breaking-t-mobile-internals-confirm-samsung-is-holding-the-android-world-hostage/
Is there a new Vibrant-style Sammy coming to Verizon that might put us in the same boat as our T-Mobular comrads?
"SamsungMobileUS Samsung Mobile USA
We want Galaxy S owners to have simple/reliable upgrade. We r running tests due to complexity/unique functionality.
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We are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all U.S. Galaxy S owners as soon as possible.
4 Jan "
That is complete and total crap..... they shouldn't be holding back Froyo just to "improve" sales of the Vibrant 4g... the 4g should make enough incentive if someone really wants the 4g version of the phone. Also, isn't it a little early to be releasing a 4g phone when it is just now becoming available? I could be wrong!?!?!?
DarthCivicus said:
That is complete and total crap..... they shouldn't be holding back Froyo just to "improve" sales of the Vibrant 4g... the 4g should make enough incentive if someone really wants the 4g version of the phone. Also, isn't it a little early to be releasing a 4g phone when it is just now becoming available? I could be wrong!?!?!?
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T-Mobile has had their "4G" out for some time now. Not quite as long as Sprint, but it's been around for a few months at least.
Just some more information. The Samsung LTE phone is suppose to hit Verizon in February. There are a few Samsung Galaxy S phones rumored to be getting froyo in March. This would leave a month for 3g galaxy s phones to still be on 2.1 while the new phones are on 2.2 or 2.3.
So the samsung LTE is probably to complete with the Iphone release 2/10/2011?
Seems totally non-bogus to me. If they already have working builds of froyo on the Galaxy Tab and 4G phones, which all contain pretty similar hardware, it's no doubt that Samsung has working froyo builds for the Fascinate.
It makes perfect sense in regards to their effed up strategy plan of continuing the release of updated phones but delaying software updates on already released ones. It's clear that these guys are holding back the 2.2 update on our device so that they can make more sales on the upcoming devices.
To be honest, it's not that my fascinate doesn't already do what I need it to do or gives me certain issues on its current software, but I just can't stay loyal to a company that continues to disregard their customers' concerns.
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Seems totally non-bogus to me. If they already have working builds of froyo on the Galaxy Tab and 4G phones, which all contain pretty similar hardware, it's no doubt that Samsung has working froyo builds for the Fascinate.
It makes perfect sense in regards to their effed up strategy plan of continuing the release of updated phones but delaying software updates on already released ones. It's clear that these guys are holding back the 2.2 update on our device so that they can make more sales on the upcoming devices.
To be honest, it's not that my fascinate doesn't already do what I need it to do or gives me certain issues on its current software, but I just can't stay loyal to a company that continues to disregard their customers' concerns.
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My sentiments exactly. The question is, will this rumor affect their timetables? This whole thing is so political...
I don't buy it. The draw of the new phones is 4G, or LTE, not the version of Android it's running. The fact that it's running 2.2 wouldn't sway someone to buy one phone over the other for the general consumer. And that is the market that matters most to the manufacturers. To the more advanced users it might make a difference, but they make up a very small percentage.
Doesn't hold weight in my opinion.
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I don't buy it. The draw of the new phones is 4G, or LTE, not the version of Android it's running. The fact that it's running 2.2 wouldn't sway someone to buy one phone over the other for the general consumer. And that is the market that matters most to the manufacturers. To the more advanced users it might make a difference, but they make up a very small percentage.
Doesn't hold weight in my opinion.
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Its a bullet point. Since Samsung did not opt to be part of the droid line on verizon, any additional bullet points adds to the selling factor of the phone. Sales people will use this to push people to the newer phones, saying things like "Its got the latest Android 2.2" or "It has the version of Android that supports flash". Its just in poor taste for Samsung to do this, and to me, its the same with Apple releasing the same iPhone for verizon that's been on at&t for 7 months or so now. I wouldn't get an iphone until after there announcement later this year, because since 2008, they have released a new iphone every year. Ok, sorry, I got off topic, but as you can see other companies do similar things just to sell more phones. Looking at all the companies with android smartphones, HTC and MOTO have done good jobs keep their android phones up to date. Samsung needs to step it up.
If said source is referring to JL5, there is a reason they are holding it back...its a piece of garbage.
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Count me as skeptical, the source seems contradicts himself, unless I'm misreading:
…Being that, Vibrant 4G and Vibrant have exactly same stats, added FFC and a new movie and the 4G. But i will tell you this, the original vibrant CAN utilize 4G FULLY. Yes FULLY. not what they are telling you.
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We have already put it out there that most of out devices would see a speed boost with the new network. Just the Vibrant will see a bit more. So I dont see why that is such a huge surprise to your readers. But not full 4G.
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Still, who knows. It wouldn't surprise me if they scheduled the update to be closer to the release date (VZW released 5.0 for the Storm 1 a day or two before the Storm 2 went on sale). If it does exist, and isn't a POS, it will probably get leaked.
I can see this, but it is stupid as the LTE feature alone should be enough to push people to upgrade. Additionally, those with Galaxy S phones have all had them for less than two years (typical upgrade timeframe). So how many people do they really think they can pursued to switch? Seems far more harmful to continue to piss off your existing user base who might consider later LTE phones at end of year or next when upgrade option is available.
I don't think they want to try and get people to switch. Its more for new sales. If the vibrant is sitting there for half the price (galaxy S phones are reaching the discounted portion of their lifespan) running nearly the same specs, minus the 4G, it will look pretty attractive to a decent chunck of consumers. If salesmen can say "this new one is faster and has a newer operating system" most people will think "new MUST be better" and blindly go for that.
Like someone else already said, it would just be a bullet point for salesmen.
from a business point of view, samsung did the right thing. Why fix what isn't broke, while making something in the future look much more desirable. They will make most of their money this way.
Honestly, the dev community is a very very VERY small portion of their clients. A couple thousand out of however many million phones they've sold... Most people are perfectly happy living in ignorance about all these damn desert names. ESPECIALLY now that they have a working GPS on the phone.
So why please a couple thousand, when they could be making millions on future phones?
Unfortunately for us, this blows! But they are a business. Businesses lie. ultimate goal is to make the dough...
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Just some more information. The Samsung LTE phone is suppose to hit Verizon in February. There are a few Samsung Galaxy S phones rumored to be getting froyo in March. This would leave a month for 3g galaxy s phones to still be on 2.1 while the new phones are on 2.2 or 2.3.
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I wouldn't count on a Feb release....
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So the samsung LTE is probably to complete with the Iphone release 2/10/2011?
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The ONLY LTE phone that would be able to meet a Feb 10th deadline would be the HTC Thunderbolt. And thats not even a for sure, BUT, its the only shot, if any.
I guarantee it will be out by Valentine's Day, not that anyone cares, except for me. But you have my word, nonetheless.
Two words:
Screw Samsung.
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Wtf does a Vibrant story have to do with us? Nothing.
Those guys have a zillion Froyo variants leaked anyway. Don't cry for them.
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Wtf does a Vibrant story have to do with us? Nothing.
Those guys have a zillion Froyo variants leaked anyway. Don't cry for them.
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It has a lot to do with us. If they have froyo held back, we have froyo held back.
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Okay, others have asked prime or hercules, and my real question that would determine which I choose.. our vibrants had REAL potential. No less than the new phone should have, just lesser hardware. All of the sgs1 us versions seem to have no support or updates except what you find on here(after a few months).
Will the hercules have the same fate? Is there any reason to believe they won't do the same thing again? I don't want to spend another 500+ on a device they forget about a few months after they release it. Would you take the chance seeing their track record with our phone and variants?
The most odd thing is that the international versions seem to be better supported(the i9100 more than i9000), so is the problem that they don't want to waste their resources keeping 4 different models of the phone updated in the US? And could they possibly keep the hardware on the us variants close enough spec wise that they could work on an upgrade for all versions, and just tweak each for specific devices?
I know there are no solid answers out there, but I am more wondering what the community here thinks.
Most likely not this happened do to the SGS4G came out if something similar happens again but you know that is why there is xda an the cyanogen team so don't worry
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Not sure what the guy above wrote, but yes it will happen again. I dont think its sammys fault completly. More so the US carriers. My next phone will either be a nexus/htc/motoroogle.
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Yes it will most likely happen again. It's the carrier's business model. They want you to shell out the money to buy the newer phone so they only support the older model for so long. Get a Nexus phone if you want updates faster.
From what I have read this far the sg2 will be replaced by the sg2 plus to match the nexus prime's screen resolution. Because of that fact I will not buy sg2 as well the nexus phone will be the last sammy phone because google just acquired motorola. So the next google phone will be a motorola.
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Yes it will most likely happen again. It's the carrier's business model. They want you to shell out the money to buy the newer phone so they only support the older model for so long. Get a Nexus phone if you want updates faster.
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Well the nexus got updates quicker and I constantly see(via news readers) most phones getting updates regardless of carrier.
What the jasonhunterx said(that I could understand) about having xda or cyanogen is opposite of ideal.. where would our devices be if we got a source from Samsung for gingerbread? Miles ahead, everything working, less headaches for developers and users..
But I don't see this as something the carrier is responsible for unless the manufacturer made an agreement with them, which would border on crooked.
I would have bought the sgs2 if it wasn't with att bands.. and there's no promise that the prime will be offeres as a T-Mobile phone.
If the prime doesn't hit T-Mobile and the Hercules is doomed to make the same mistakes, what phone would you get to stay with tmo? Is there an international phone that has the right bands and can compare to sgs2, Hercules, or prime?
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Yes it WILL happen. The right thing to do is just buy a nexus phone.
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Yes it WILL happen. The right thing to do is just buy a nexus phone.
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And if Samsung makes the prime? Or if tmo doesn't get the prime? That is the question.
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I believe that the Hercules will have much better support. In my opinion, just like the second poster said, they stopped supporting the vibrant because tmo launched its new "4g" service not too long after the vibrant dropped. So unless 5g comes out a week after the Hercules, I don't think we should have anything to worry about. I hope.......
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Of course its going to happen.
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Here is a position I just don't understand. I won't call it whining. Lets say the constant negative portrayal of the Galaxy S line, Samsung, and every other phone manufacturer at one time or another as not supporting or updating their software often enough.
If you look at it objectively, does the Vibrant really need an update? It came out with Eclair. Then came the upgrade to Froyo, which raised Quadrant scores (if you care about that sort of thing) four fold. Finally, the incremental upgrades through Froyo from J all the way to KB5. KB5 is rock-solid stable and fast in its stock form, and even better when customized.
So why all the complaining? The phone is fast and stable. I don't hear anyone complaining about Team Whiskey's Bionix 1.3.1 even though they haven't updated it in many months. Why? Because it's fine as is. So, in my opinion, is the Vibrant.
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Here is a position I just don't understand. I won't call it whining. Lets say the constant negative portrayal of the Galaxy S line, Samsung, and every other phone manufacturer at one time or another as not supporting or updating their software often enough.
If you look at it objectively, does the Vibrant really need an update? It came out with Eclair. Then came the upgrade to Froyo, which raised Quadrant scores (if you care about that sort of thing) four fold. Finally, the incremental upgrades through Froyo from J all the way to KB5. KB5 is rock-solid stable and fast in its stock form, and even better when customized.
So why all the complaining? The phone is fast and stable. I don't hear anyone complaining about Team Whiskey's Bionix 1.3.1 even though they haven't updated it in many months. Why? Because it's fine as is. So, in my opinion, is the Vibrant.
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Yes 2.2 for vibrant is stable but there are some Apps that can only be use when you're using gingerbread.
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Yes 2.2 for vibrant is stable but there are some Apps that can only be use when you're using gingerbread.
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There's like 2 of those
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Here is a position I just don't understand. I won't call it whining. Lets say the constant negative portrayal of the Galaxy S line, Samsung, and every other phone manufacturer at one time or another as not supporting or updating their software often enough.
If you look at it objectively, does the Vibrant really need an update? It came out with Eclair. Then came the upgrade to Froyo, which raised Quadrant scores (if you care about that sort of thing) four fold. Finally, the incremental upgrades through Froyo from J all the way to KB5. KB5 is rock-solid stable and fast in its stock form, and even better when customized.
So why all the complaining? The phone is fast and stable. I don't hear anyone complaining about Team Whiskey's Bionix 1.3.1 even though they haven't updated it in many months. Why? Because it's fine as is. So, in my opinion, is the Vibrant.
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There are phones running 1.5 stable, but that isn't a reason it shouldn't be upgraded to whatever it can run. Take the Motorola droid. I have no idea what they updated to, but the og droid has run cyanogen stable far before our vibrant could run it at all. It is a solid phone, and wasn't "discarded" by the manufacturer soon after the release. They did a good job I heard.
The sgs1 branded phone is capable of more than the current generation of android. The iphone, with all the things I don't like about the way they do their phones, supports multiple generations of their products for multiple years. Our phones shouldn't be 2 generations of os behind with no real hope of an upgrade within a year of coming out.
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pretty sure yes, so if u want a SGS II get the "international' version
for me NO MORE US VERSION of any Samsung phone
I think the Hercules will be the lower of the other sgs2 variants nothing will be easy just as the vibrant was full of great dev but nothing to work with but the same stuff. GB has came a long way we thought that was going to be a easy port, lol I really hope they at least get the gps right on the sgs2 this run. End of rant ;-)
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I say look at track record.
Behold->Vibrant-> hercules. It just goes to show, if you want something done, you just have to do it yourself. I mean really, I just rooted lg vortex, from two years ago that had 2.2.2
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I say look at track record.
Behold->Vibrant-> hercules. It just goes to show, if you want something done, you just have to do it yourself. I mean really, I just rooted lg vortex, from two years ago that had 2.2.2
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2nd this. Same ol from Samsung/T-Mobile. Going HTC prime or iphone next round.
Yes i am quite sure that these phones will not get the support that the unbranded version will get...
A company like Apple has a tough time supporting a couple of devices then just imagine how difficult it is for samsung to provide great support for the 50-60 phones it dishes out every year
No support for Hercules. It's Vibrant/Galaxy S 1 all over again. Each of the carriers releasing a different variant of a phone that was released months ago in Europe. You'd be crazy to buy a Hercules or other SGS2 phone. Just what was the reason for the delay? Carrier customizations, more than likely. And the fact that it took them so long to release the US variants does not speak well for future updates.
Ok what if google can get updates out like apple does to its devices. Notice sprint does not even have ics yet for the nexus s since sprint is launching the galery nexus soon so I bet sprint just only,let a few phone get the ics update as a beta if you will as then user would not buy the newer ics phone. So if google charged a small update fee provided your phone meets the requirements. Or why does google even allow all these add ons like sense and touchwiz. Why not have the pure google non skinned version for like a few dollars and if you want the custom sense then wait for htc samsung to release it a year later.... cough cough fryo.... cough cough gingerbread....
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Well to answer your question, nope, since we got amazing devs here to satisfy our quench for updating XD
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Well to answer your question, nope, since we got amazing devs here to satisfy our quench for updating XD
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True for people who are rooted but what about the average non xda type of user who waits for offical ota?
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Defiantly not, why should we? You don't pay Apple for updates.
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True for people who are rooted but what about the average non xda type of user who waits for offical ota?
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those average non xda people dont even know root or the latest software means it more of a phone to call and text and browse internet. they dont care if their phone has the latest and greatest updates.
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Defiantly not, why should we? You don't pay Apple for updates.
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You buy the phone from apple, and they also make the software. We buy the phone from Samsung, and Google makes the software. Big difference. You seriously wouldn't shell out like 5 dollars to get ICS like 4 months ago, fully working and smooth? Gonna call bs on that.
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Defiantly not, why should we? You don't pay Apple for updates.
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I don't pay Apple for anyting. Lol
/trollface
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Defiantly not, why should we? You don't pay Apple for updates.
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Sure you do its called OS/X.... which is i-os is somewhat based on...
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You buy the phone from apple, and they also make the software. We buy the phone from Samsung, and Google makes the software. Big difference. You seriously wouldn't shell out like 5 dollars to get ICS like 4 months ago, fully working and smooth? Gonna call bs on that.
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Well i disagree on that one as Google does also makes phones called the Nexus and the Motorola Mobility line as Google no owns Moto Mobility. And from what i understand its the stuff like touchwiz and sense that make it harder to get the updates a quickly since the carriers must test everything for like 90 days or more and if it fails then they start the process from the beginning.
I say google should only have one uniform look to android like how apple does with i-os. (i however do not like apple as too expensive for the rich people) If you want a custom launcher like go you can download it but it would not be apart of any official rom from the maker / carrier.
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I don't pay Apple for anyting. Lol
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Lol I don't either. Meaning we don't buy it. PERIOD!!!!
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Sure you do its called OS/X.... which is i-os is somewhat based on...
Well i disagree on that one as Google does also makes phones called the Nexus and the Motorola Mobility line as Google no owns Moto Mobility. And from what i understand its the stuff like touchwiz and sense that make it harder to get the updates a quickly since the carriers must test everything for like 90 days or more and if it fails then they start the process from the beginning.
I say google should only have one uniform look to android like how apple does with i-os. (i however do not like apple as too expensive for the rich people) If you want a custom launcher like go you can download it but it would not be apart of any official rom from the maker / carrier.
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i have to say; it looks like youve just taken random sentences and thrown them together here.
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i have to say; it looks like youve just taken random sentences and thrown them together here.
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+1
And for real there is a Galery Nexus coming soon? I will compare it with the Galaxy Nexus to check which one is better.
And back to the thread. I won't pay, but there is people which pay to others for root their phones, so I think they will pay.
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And for real there is a Galery Nexus coming soon? I will compare it with the Galaxy Nexus to check which one is better.
And back to the thread. I won't pay, but there is people which pay to others for root their phones, so I think they will pay.
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i would pay for official updates if it means they come as soon as google releases them. perhaps google should not release any updates until all carriers and manufacturer are ready to push them to all phones that meet the requirements. Do what microsoft does and they just push them to all phones at the same time so the carriers dont have a say in the matter... sort of like windows update on the pc. just check for the update and then install... carriers and manufacturer have too much power to decide who gets what...
I'd love to have mine done in a timely manor. I hear it's nice this time of year!
NO way wouldn't pay! Plus its totally unrealistic considering the different devices and bloatware! Apple has one device line to update! But don't forget Apple owns the software! You get caught messing with it they "Kill" your phone!
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NO way wouldn't pay! Plus its totally unrealistic considering the different devices and bloatware! Apple has one device line to update! But don't forget Apple owns the software! You get caught messing with it they "Kill" your phone!
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well how does microsoft do it then with windows phone 7 and with the pc's? As long as if the phones meet the minimum requirements then good to go. This would work simply because it would get rid of the custom interfaces from the makers like htc sense or samsung touchwiz. If you want those they would only be available as a download apk from the market like how go launcher and adw desktop are. Google needs to take a stand on the custom overlays and how they devalue android with lack of updates as the makers think somehow that sense or touchwiz add somesort of value to the phone when in fact it does not. android 4 is perfect interface and with android 2.x and 3.x its good enough or download some aftermarket one like go launcher. Otherwise i would pay for updates like how i do on my laptop. they can also make money off the updates as well like $25 per phone again as long as it meets the requirements. and now google owns motorola mobility so google is now just like appple. So goolge / Moto Mobility does control the hardware and software
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well how does microsoft do it then with windows phone 7 and with the pc's? As long as if the phones meet the minimum requirements then good to go. This would work simply because it would get rid of the custom interfaces from the makers like htc sense or samsung touchwiz. If you want those they would only be available as a download apk from the market like how go launcher and adw desktop are. Google needs to take a stand on the custom overlays and how they devalue android with lack of updates as the makers think somehow that sense or touchwiz add somesort of value to the phone when in fact it does not. android 4 is perfect interface and with android 2.x and 3.x its good enough or download some aftermarket one like go launcher. Otherwise i would pay for updates like how i do on my laptop. they can also make money off the updates as well like $25 per phone again as long as it meets the requirements. and now google owns motorola mobility so google is now just like appple. So goolge / Moto Mobility does control the hardware and software
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who is to say that custom launchers are devaluing android? if anything, they bring more to the table. i think a lot of the people here would say that they prefer some of the asthetics and options that touchwiz includes. i cant speak to sense or motoblur as i havent used them.
No. Just like I would not pay extra for gas to have someone else come out and pump it for me. In both cases we already pay too much, for gas, for the phones, service and insurance. If all phones were free I would think about it. But you pay more for a better phone, it damn well better be updated in a reasonable timely manner.
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The manufacturer should be providing timely updates as part of buying the phone. We should expect new versions of the OS until at least the EOL and then bugfixes and security updates for another two years past that as a minimum.
Now that we're done with fantasy land, I wouldn't mind paying a nominal charge for a version update provided that they have a stable bug-free version of the current OS. IMHO Samsung never got there with the Epic.
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True for people who are rooted but what about the average non xda type of user who waits for offical ota?
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The average non-xda user wouldn't know what 'stock' android is, and frankly, they probably wouldn't be impressed with it for this reason right here
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who is to say that custom launchers are devaluing android? if anything, they bring more to the table. i think a lot of the people here would say that they prefer some of the asthetics and options that touchwiz includes. i cant speak to sense or motoblur as i havent used them.
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I haven't used Sense, but from my limited experience, Blur is horrid. TW smokes it by a mile. I enjoyed some of the features of Touchwiz, no joke.
And OP, while Google may now own Motorola Mobility, it doesn't mean they own all the hardware. It just means they kind of do with Motorola. They still don't with Samsung, HTC, LG, Sony, etc etc etc.
I'm still a firm believer the biggest reason Google bought Moto was for the patents, not to try and complete with Apple by owning both hardware/software.
EDIT: For the record, I think the number one way to go about the issue is this: all android phones, stock, come with their own skin out of the box by default. However, the user has the ability to go with stock Android upon bootup or something like that. Maybe a tutorial that guides users stating what that skin brings to the table. Maybe something saying here's what you'll have with the skin vs without it, and list off apps and features associated with it.
This way, us android-heads can get any phone we want with stock android, and the average user still has the same options as today.
I wanted to put something of worth within this thread as a conversation topic, but it has become rather vexing trying to pick apart the compilation of sentences that the OP's has been using lol, though me saying I mean no offense would not help I don't think heh.
In regards to paying for an upgrade, it does occur in iOS when the next incremental upgrades come to the iPod Touch Line, for iPhone's a user is guaranteed that update due to being on a monthly plan with their device unless that device is gradually replaced in which case it goes no further upgrade wise as there is a new iteration close to it in price and internal size, if iPad's are affected in the same way being on carrier/off carrier I'm unaware, I also haven't upgraded my iPod Touch in a long while either to test the validity of that, so I'm open to correction. Though iOS has been on 5.x for a bit anyways.
In this case.
Android lacks something iOS does in this case, uniformity, which is how Apple portrays their control over their platform and why it's so popular and simple to use, they limit what can be used and what is used and set a basis forward to keep compatibility in the long run. The Nexus Line is controlled by Google and their partner in each step of the way, more by Google however because they essentially get to pick and choose what they want which works well in the whole grand scheme of things, which means timely updates are to come. They don't have control over LG, HTC, Sony, or Samsung for that matter in their other endeavors in Android and what "crap"(lack of more proper word) that's proprietary they decide to put within the platform for the sake of bragging rights, they're their own entities which for the most part have added to the overall disconnection of Android across the board. Buying out that specific aspect of Motorola was a play for patents to avoid lawsuit not a play for control.
Saying you'd pay money for an update to Android on your phone becomes problematic, in our case, ICS. If you paid $10 because you to have the update when it came out, in the following months it'd be very likely it'd have problems, and you'd be the prime benefactor of said problems. You paid $10 for an update, now what about the update to address that issue? Or the update following that update to address the following issues? Or what if you paid for an update and never got an update in the long run, just for the sake of not having one?
Would those be paid as well? I'm only throwing forth baseless scenarios, because this arrives to the entitlement aspect of things. Paying to get an update makes you entitled to said update, when a company can G.A.F less about an older piece of hardware having support when they've devices in their minds which are twice as good as last years model. I understand where you're going with this thread but, paying for your update in software wouldn't make the fact that your phone is aging any better, nor would it make Android any more uniform, it'd only make it more annoying of a platform due to it. It's not a better alternative than just waiting it out on what you're currently using until you can upgrade your line to something new. Spending more money to have your phone officially supported is rather foolish. In my opinion though.
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And essentially the Epic isn't EOL/EOS. It just happens to be on it's last legs. So whether it's last update is stable or not won't matter at that point.